Guys: Episode 137 - Energy Drink Guys With Charlie Demers

Welcome to guys a podcast about guys.

I'm Brian

and

we have

Chris James.

Hi, Chris.

High energy is what I'm going for there.

Hmm.

That was not

very high energy, I'm not going to lie.

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys.

That's pretty fast.

Yeah, that was faster.

That was not bad.

Well, no, the first one was that fast, too.

I realized something that's kind of interesting to me is that you did not ask the pronunciation of the because I think I know it, but I don't know if you do.

You're really bad at it.

Yeah, I just realized there could be another pronunciation than the one I.

So I'm hoping you do the wrong one personally.

I'm gambling.

See how currently.

All right.

Oh, fuck, man.

Uh, and our guest this week is comedian Charlie Demers.

Got it.

Yeah, pretty good.

Close enough.

He didn't do like the full like demo.

He didn't.

No, no.

Yeah.

Or Demirs.

We kind of South African it up.

Yeah.

I was going to Demir.

What would be the, what would this a French-Canadian name?

What's the, give us the real French-Canadian product.

Okay, you ready for this?

This is so like the straight up kind of uncut would be domerce

which is offensive to people from France because you're not really supposed to do an S.

You don't pronounce the S at the end of.

And in fact, my dad can't pronounce the S at the end of if he's speaking English.

My dad can't say Netflix.

He says Netflix.

Oh, yeah, that's a yeah, that's a that's a French Canadian, the French Canadian language is a fascinating idea.

And Chris is always saying they're pieces of shit.

I didn't

my stepfamily is from my stepfather and he's like I hate my stepfamily well I don't think Canadian I don't say that I think maybe I I have I have maybe highlighted that there's a little maybe a little bit of racism in in Quebec but that's all over the country but there is an element of that

it's it is all over the country that is I do believe a an English Canadian fantasy it kind of projection that that well that it like that they that it's something they can kind of imagine and project into um i just saw the i just saw a uh a french canadian comedy special in a year where there was just it was just a little it was a little bit beyond the you know that's all but you're right yeah well we're not no i mean wait we're not talking comedy i mean yeah if you're talking comedy yeah we're

comedy is a few years uh yeah English people in Canada do like to look down their notes French Canadians, no doubt about it.

And I really love this, by the way.

Some people listening, a lot of Americans, we always have Americans on here.

It's good to have a little Canada talk on here.

Yeah, here we go.

Here we go, eh?

All right, Brian.

You want to hear it?

It's great here

in Ohio.

Yeah,

almost no racism here.

Almost.

Yeah, but there's a lot in that almost.

Brian, I'm

out here in Ohio.

Brian, I've seen the videos of those guys walking through the street.

Brother, those guys are scary.

They were walking through my neighborhood.

Yeah, very scary.

They're white supremacist guys, like open blood, blood something they're called.

I don't even want to.

Some guys.

They walked through my fucking neighborhood.

They walked through my fucking neighborhood yelling and everybody was just kind of like, get out of here.

Like, this isn't like where you people go.

Go away.

You know, I saw that happen the other day.

There were these crazy Christians by the courthouse.

It happened yesterday.

And they're like handing out things.

You know what I mean?

And

I saw it happen three times.

Prison was like, get out of here with that shit.

Like, just was like so dismissive.

It just don't do it downtown.

You could run, you could go to a Walmart in the suburbs and everybody would be like, this is great.

This, this racism is great, but not where I live.

I live in the woke part of Ohio.

Get out of here is always a good.

I also, I like that, that, you, that you people was employed against racists.

That's kind of, how do you like it?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

That is right.

Brian, are we talking?

We're talking about.

It's racist, guys, this week.

We're doing an episode about racist guys.

It's gonna be so fun.

Just read some other funny posts.

That's not why I was asked on, is it?

Because I don't know what your booking policy is.

If I was brought in especially for the racist guys episode, I will have to take umbrage.

No, somebody brought in.

You're brought in especially for the

energy.

Energy drinks episode.

Do you drink energy drinks, Charlie?

Yeah, that's a good question.

I do drink energy jinx.

What you brand?

I drink the kind of,

this is not, see, I haven't had an energy drink yet, so I'm searching for my words here.

I don't mean to,

this is not a correct term to use, but I drink the kind of scissified, you know, like

I drink the Celsius.

No, so I drink the Zevia energy drink.

And then occasionally, when that's not available, I'll have the Guru Organic.

Well, okay.

Well, those I haven't even seen anybody talk about.

Do you like Gorilla Mind?

Do you think?

No, like, I mean,

I can't even touch that stuff.

How about pumpkin cream Alani New?

Pumpkin cream.

That sounds more like something, maybe, that would be.

I remember my old, I know, I'm not an energy drink guy at all.

Don't drink energy drinks.

I sort of have boring.

I just have energy.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's all nervousness.

It's not.

Yeah, true.

It manifests itself in nervousness.

But

I have a lot of it.

But I used to drink energy drinks sometimes, like Red Bull, obviously, the classic one.

But there was one, I think it's probably still around called Nos.

Yes.

Now that is a real man's.

Yeah, Nos is like, it looks like it's in a propane tank.

Like

the bottle is like a blue propane tank.

My brother used to love to make up sort of lies and stuff and say, so he used to say that he drank one NOS and he couldn't sleep for two days.

Like, that he just was up.

Like, he would, there was sort of this like mythology in my neighborhood around NOS that you would, like, if you want to really, oh, you could do Coke or whatever, but if you really want to have a good time, drive it at one single NOS.

It's funny because Nos, I don't know if you know this, Chris.

The can is not supposed to look like a propane tank, it's supposed to look like the tank that you put in your car.

Oh, the NOS, the apple for the extra nitrous project.

it is an actual nos tank yeah i'm i'm i'm not a car guy at all so i me as a non-car guy was like it looks like a propane tank i mean it's a tank of some kind nos is nitrous oxide yeah

okay okay yeah yeah it came out after fast and furious because when fast and furious came out we all learned about nos that was how we all learned about it so i am

only now

my brain is making sense of this bottle that I've been seeing for years because in Vancouver, there's quite a notorious strip club called the Number Five Orange.

The Number Five Orange.

And I always was like, why?

What is this number five

label of energy drink?

I thought that the strip

you thought that the NOS was the number five.

The number five.

It has orange on it.

And it's identical to the number five sign at the number five orange strip club.

Yeah, that is the number five orange is a very famous Vancouver strip club.

My friend got stabbed.

And he will not take me there.

Chris didn't even ask if I wanted to go.

I mean, I've been there many times.

You really don't want to go.

You really don't want to go.

I would tell you.

Oh, I guess some of us don't like looking at today.

The number five Orange is about

two blocks away from the sort of epicenter of Vancouver.

heartbreak and misery.

It's in the downtown east side.

It's right in the heart of the downtown east side.

Yeah.

It's it's where I'm standing.

It's it is.

Uh, but but the the you got somebody you for your friend got stabbed at the number five.

I and believe, believe me, the part of that story that's uh hard to believe for me is not it's the proximity to you.

It's not that someone got stabbed there that I'm like, somebody got stabbed there.

It's it's that somebody, your friend, yeah, he was stabbed.

Did you know what it turns out?

You want to know this is crazy.

He was stabbed by somebody in his own group during a big, huge melee fight between two groups.

Sometimes that happens, right?

Somebody in his own group, one of his own friends stabbed him full-on with a knife.

Accidents in the hospital, like had a punctured something.

Like it was like a real big deal.

And it was just somebody that we also knew who did it.

Was this like a Shakespearean, like, this is my cover.

I can do this under the cover.

It was friendly fight.

It was a bunch of drunken goons fighting each other in a, you know, not well-lit parking lot.

And yeah, that's, but

and the city said, enough is enough.

We're going to start lighting the parking lots better for fights.

That's for fights.

Yeah, so we can stab the right people.

So anyway, this guy posted a picture of an energy drink can and his breakfast.

He posted his breakfast here.

Okay.

This is C4 energy drink.

It's three times.

It's got the Tri-Stim experience.

What is that?

What's the Tri-Stim?

Oh, that's just triple stimulant.

The Tri-Stim experience is like

three stimulations at once.

It's three times

physical, spiritual, and intellectual stimulation.

It's like these other energy drinks give you a ones STEM experience, but this C4 ultimate energy gives you a three times STEM.

There's so much math in this photo.

Like it says zero sugars, C4, three times 7-11.

Well, he also had buffalo chicken rollers for breakfast along with that, which is

this is like a brunch item.

I feel like this is a classic.

Like when I used to work, maybe like at a movie, like warehouse or something like this, this is the type of thing you would grab on the way to work.

Yeah, like

construction or something.

I told you about that guy that...

rode with me at the cable company and was like a big time softball guy like a big softball guy, like gone for the weekend, softball guy.

Playing or watching?

Playing.

Yeah.

And he was like, sort of like,

he would

like float it to him.

First thing he would do is say, stop at Speedway to get gas.

So we would stop to get gas and he would go in and buy three hot dogs and an energy drink.

And then he would just stuff the trash in the door as I was trying to teach him.

And when he finally got fired for sneaking off work early, I opened that door and I was cleaning up the stuff.

And it was like, this guy ate so much gas station food.

It's outrageous that he's still alive.

I mean, I think he's still alive.

I never, Ohio doesn't have a gas station food culture.

Like, we don't, we, I think it's looked down upon.

Like, there are parts of the United States like it's mostly looked down upon.

No, but I was going to say, gas station culture is something that grows on food in a gas station.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I'm saying that in the United States, there are parts of this country where people eat at gas stations, like at Wawa and Sheikh.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They have an actual like little sort of diner type thing.

Yeah, yeah.

A diner or a drive-in or a dive.

Yeah, exactly.

And we don't have that here.

We didn't have that here until relatively recently.

And now people are kind of starting to eat sandwiches there.

But it just was like, even at the cable coming, I was like, why are you eating that crap?

It's gross.

You know what I mean?

So anyway, this guy goes,

he loves, he said, tried this yesterday and felt like I was on speed.

Had to buy the three for seven this morning.

So he bought three of them for $7.

So he's, so he's like, I drank something.

I felt like I was on amphetamines and I needed more of that.

Sounds like me.

That actually just sounds like me.

Yeah, that sounds like somebody with a real who's like maybe just wishes that they were on drugs or whatever.

That it was like, this is kind of, which sort of makes sense, I guess, right?

Because it's not generally considered acceptable to like take actual drugs before your job, but it's okay to drink a crazy energy drink.

Well, this guy goes, dude, I feel the same way.

I worked 12-hour shifts and picked up a bang a couple of shifts ago.

I drank it throughout the entire shift and still felt like I was tweaking.

It's bananas to me how people can seriously consume two of these in a day or even more.

Now,

that is crazy.

And many, many people agreed with this guy.

It is crazy that people drink two or three of these a day because the amount of caffeine is, I think it's it's 300 milligrams of caffeine, which is a lot of caffeine.

What were those ones that were killing people?

I was, whenever I, what were the ones at that?

I don't think it gets much higher than 300.

You know, it was at the restaurant chain and they had those like charged lemon.

Oh, Panera.

Panera.

Panera.

How much was in those ones?

I don't remember.

I used to drink those, though.

Yeah, I remember you said that.

Those ones, they used to drink the drinks that were killing people.

They had to take them off because they were killing people.

The Panera charged lemonade amount of caffeine had 390 milligrams of caffeine and a 30-ounce serving.

So that's a bit high.

Holy.

It's a bit high.

And it's the tri-stim experience

is only 30 less

or 90 less milligrams.

So that is 300 in that one, the one that we're looking at right there.

So a guy

would have two of those a day.

That's

heard about a caffeine.

Yeah, I'm not a doctor.

Is that more caffeine than you want to have in a day?

600 milligrams of it?

Chris, there were people, I almost made this caffeine guys because there were guys that like take a caffeine pill and also later on in the day, they'll put a caffeine dip because they have caffeine dip now.

Oh, like chew.

Yeah, they have caffeine like bandits, which are like getting little packages, like the Zen.

They have caffeine of those, and then they would drink coffee and have a, like one of those big energy drinks and also pre-workout, which is another basically an energy drink.

But those, that's dangerous, right?

So dangerous.

It is very dangerous to do that.

It's a similar type of thing as like, because people have been doing this type of, you know, taking huge amounts of drugs or whatever, right?

Like, just like...

So my Zevia one, I just looked it up, is 120 milligrams, which

sounds like not much compared to what we're, but I will in a day sometimes have two of them.

They make fun of you, Charlie.

Okay, yeah, okay.

It's not an amount of time.

I'm not not going to die.

Okay, good.

You can't die from 240.

But I'm having coffee as well in that scenario.

How much is in a cup of coffee?

How much is in a cup of coffee?

More.

Like 90 milligrams, right?

And a cup of coffee.

I think it's a lot and a cup of coffee, too.

It just depends.

Because I drink cold brew.

I think it's a ton.

Oh, it's just a lot.

Just cold brew is a lot.

Maybe all at once.

Maybe all.

That's why the Panera bread stuff was because people are just chugging like 400 at once.

This guy goes, I drink a C4 every morning, about 5 a.m.

on the way to work, and then one at about 4 on the way home.

But I tried one of those C4s with the Tri-Stem experience, and it fucked me up.

Just the thought of

having that kind of that taste and that carbonation coursing through your body at five in the morning at the beginning of the day, like, like that, it's just the most like soul-destroying image.

Like, it's just like, it's such an awful, like, at least coffee is just, it's a, it's a morning consistency.

It's a ritual.

It's also a ritual, and it's basically water

in a way.

Really, like, really smart, sophisticated people do that in the morning as well.

Like, it's, it's done across all different, whereas the energy drinks, I feel like, yeah, you're right.

There's some, it's just drinking a pop in the morning.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gigantic.

Oh, I know.

And they're talking like, they're talking like, my favorite one to have is the Skittles flavored C4.

And it's like, you're waking up in the morning and drinking a Skittles flavored drink.

And then they're like, why do people look down on us?

And it's like, listen, I don't look down on these guys.

They do what they want to do.

It's fine.

But I do think if you're drinking something called Gorilla Mind or Monster, then that's different from drinking a cup of coffee.

You know what I mean?

That's not coffee.

You know, this guy goes,

Tri-Stim is the only energy drink I actually feel a difference on.

The fruit punch one is also delicious with vodka.

So

that's good.

Yeah, I guess that's an old tool, like vodka Red Bull, though, right?

That's like a famous drink.

So I guess that's something people do.

I wonder what that does to you.

I never was

probably not great.

This guy goes, You must be new to energy drinks.

Those are like water to me, but maybe I'm just addicted.

You must be new to energy drinks.

That's the ultimate flex.

Oh, shit.

That shit's affecting you.

I mean, I guess

it's like anything, man.

You get a tolerance to it, right?

You get a tolerance to something and it stops affecting you.

Again, I mean, I think the ideal situation is to figure out a way, if you can, to sort of keep your tolerance at a reasonable level.

So you're not just like, okay, I have to drink, you know, five of the tristims in the morning to feel alive or whatever.

I think that's probably not good from anybody.

Well, and now this is going to hit you guys as weird, but this is a very common thing in the energy drink guy community.

He goes, I prefer the OGC4 before, if I'm not mistaken, the beta alanine was taking out of the ultimate.

Yeah, come on, guys.

What were the guys?

Remember, we, those

who were talking about the stuff being the, yeah, I forget what you were doing.

Yeah, I don't remember what it was, but the milk guys that were mad.

I bet I could, I couldn't.

They were mad about

a specific thing was being Malto.

Malto Dextrin.

Malto.

The Malto men.

The Malto men who would discover that Malto Dextrin had been taken out of this like

strawberry milk that they were drinking, and they're fucking livid about it.

The Malto men, they're like, wow, online, like, oh, it's so much better with the Malto.

Like, just,

oh, wow.

So this guy goes, I noticed that as well.

I personally love the itchy burn feeling.

Used to add three grams in my pre, and that was

a lot.

A A lot of doctors will tell you like an itchy burning feeling, that's like definitely a good sign for whatever you're consuming.

Yeah.

When you're drinking, getting an itching

burning, that's the body's way of saying we need more of this.

The itching burn, they do love, like one guy's like,

it's been so long since I felt the ants under my skin.

What drink are you doing to get that?

Like they want that like,

my whole body feels like it's turning on me, feeling you know what I mean?

Like, that is the situation.

Which I respect, like, I do too, because it's like, I'm so afraid, I hate that.

Like, I know I've taken drugs through my life, obviously, and it was always kind of that, like, that feeling when you're first sort of becoming high on drugs and you're like, kind of scared about it, and it doesn't feel good, and you just have all of that.

But then you get to the good part.

They're just doing this is new to me.

They're doing the first part only, and there's no good part there's no like thing after maybe there is maybe i'm wrong maybe there's this like you get through that feeling and then it's like you feel good in some way but it seems like yeah they're just trying to get the like uncomfortable anxiety feeling or whatever

i would oh sorry go ahead jarling no no i i would like because i was just gonna say this was all like my whole kind of high school experience like with pot and whatever like just anxiety anxiety anxiety anxiety and then i had like tylenol threes And it was like, oh, this is what drugs is supposed to feel.

I love drugs.

This is why people do drugs.

I love pills.

I'm trying to think of what was, I mean, mushrooms for me has, I guess, always been the one that I've most enjoyed, but it.

it gives you that feeling, no doubt, when you're coming up on it and you like first start to sort of feel it.

If you're taking like a bigger, a bigger dose or whatever, then it definitely gives you like huge anxiety.

And then you like push through that a little bit.

And then it's just like, yeah, like a euphoric great feeling but I've never understood I mean I guess I've I understand the whole like so I mean I'm I'm a little older than you guys but I remember

so okay late 90s vodka Red Bull that was like the kind of yeah that was the

very associated with the kind of like rave dance culture

or bros like Jersey Shore kind of bros I feel like it had yeah but the idea was like to get drunk but keep going like you're you're gonna you're gonna to dance, like you're going to like,

it was a party drink.

Yeah.

And like, I feel like

now the energy drink thing is just like, get through the fucking crippling Dickensian misery of overwork and

like, like the absolute hyper-exploitation of your life with some kind of just like

crazy

drug mask on to to like it's it's it's it's so so bleak they call it a snack by the way a snack a stack a stack what is that it's just adding different things on top of things so like a video game skin or something yeah so uh energy drink is is a form of a stack because they'll put like vitamin b in it they'll put like theanine in it and they put a bunch of stuff in it and they call that a stack so they they or a stack could be caffeine pills plus a caffeine thing there's a cat there's a nicotine energy drink that recently came out which i was blown away by by the way i might have to try it because i love nicotine yeah we're

being pushed by a podcast we're pro-cigarette on this podcast no we're not we just we just have a guy who we love who used to review cigarettes but he hasn't reviewed anything for nine years.

I wish he would come back.

Come back and review some stuff, buddy.

But yeah, he's a big,

he's a popular guy on the podcast.

So I went then after seeing the TriSTim experience can, I said, I'm going to go to Amazon and read the reviews of the TriSTim experience.

Find out what they're like.

This first guy goes, I love this.

The name, the thing, the caption at the beginning is so good.

A lot lot of power and energy, man.

That's so good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He goes, great energy drink.

Great energy and easy to drink.

Got my buddy energized to fix my exhaust on my car.

Yeah.

That's okay, cool.

So this guy's feeding this to people in order to get them to ask for them.

Very cool.

This guy goes, mixed feelings, but no crash.

I recently tried the c4 cherry bomb frost and i have to say my experience was a bit of a mixed bag starting with the flavor it wasn't really my cup of tea I usually enjoy the taste of NOS or the white and orange red bull.

So I was hoping for something similar.

Unfortunately, the cherry bomb frost didn't quite hit the mark for me in terms of taste.

However, there are definitely some positives.

One thing I really appreciated was that it didn't give me any crash afterward, which is a huge plus.

I could enjoy the energy boost without worrying about feeling sluggish later on.

Additionally, the color of the drink is quite appealing and adds a fun visual element to the experience.

Okay, that's this is some somebody from marketing at uh

wrote this one, yeah, because nobody's impressed by the color of a beverage, only a little baby, and a little baby can't drink uh like an energy drink, so this doesn't track.

I agree with you,

like a sommoyer.

Like, this is yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, this has got great legs.

This is uh, yeah, uh, this

tell me about the,

can I just

Brian just pulled up the image of the caffeine man, and he has like a thousand energy drinks behind him.

Yeah.

He's the caffeine man.

This poor soul.

Well, there's a new energy drink.

It's by Starbucks.

It's called,

it's a tropical peach.

It's a iced energy, 160 milligrams caffeine.

So not that much, but

I saw a post on r slash energy drinks where the guy goes this shit is ass

i poured it out there's a picture of it it said this shit is ass i poured it out now it's his breakfast and it is a dab pin and mott's uh gummy bears gummy candies and a tropical peach starbuck ice standard like you mean like a marijuana like a dab rig like like a dab pin like a pen like okay oh i see

so he's hitting he's hitting uh some weed, some gummies, an energy drink.

That's his breakfast.

Breakfast, yeah.

Gummies there.

Is the caffeine man that we're looking at?

The caffeine man is a different guy that's going to talk about this drink.

Yeah, the caffeine man is like an older guy.

I was going to say he always strike me as the kind of guy who would have that kind of a breakfast.

Yeah.

So here he goes.

No one's having that breakfast and getting to be old.

Yeah.

No, that's true.

Some people don't, but I'm not overly happy with the Starbucks iced energy drinks in concept.

And there's two companies that I feel this way about.

So I'm going to wrap my rant up into two companies that do this.

He's going to rant.

By the way, we love, we just did rant guys,

Charlie.

So we learned about ranters and we've become pretty obsessed with them.

But

he's doing the most annoying thing where he edits together the breaks.

No, but just don't, he's just doing it really poorly, too, where it's like, he's trying to make it seem like it's one seamless kind of conversation by editing out the breaks.

And this is like, look, I'm sure that this is the wrong episode for this, but I just like,

tell me, like,

how is there

an audience for this?

He's a caffeine man.

I mean, there's a, we've learned a lot about a bunch of weird, like, there's always a guy that's on top of the guy.

Mountain.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

There's always like,

there's a, it's a big mountain and then a, uh, of just just regular people who are like oh i really like energy drinks we're we're chatting about energy drinks where but then there's one guy that has to be on top right and it has to be the guy we look they look to for guidance in a world of caffeine boys there must be one yeah man yeah and this guy was just like i'll name myself caffeine man which i think is a very funny name and was like i'll be the caffeine guy you know yeah i'll be that guy like there's no real thing he just like no one really wanted this one so he's just like i'll do this one.

And then as soon as he took the name, he was just that guy.

But, I mean, I guess the reason there's an audience in short is because of like the posts were read.

It's like these people who are really obsessed with caf, like, fucking energy drinks and shit.

And they'll, I mean, they want to hear reviews of them and see.

I mean, yeah, it's, it's

fine to me.

I want to get you a little more up to speed on this Starbucks energy drink.

This guy goes, LOL, it's Starbucks.

What do you expect?

And he gets a reply and he goes,

exactly like I do.

I don't know how Starbucks is still in business with the advent of local coffee shops.

Pretty much around every corner, this guy gets a response.

He goes, multiple stores are closing.

I call them cuckbucks.

My mom and pop taste better and is the same.

With the advent of local stores.

That's true.

Like, like, so Starbucks were like some sort of primordial thing that was just kind of like in the physical landscape.

And now we figured out how to have local versions of yeah of

is that person doing a joke is that i don't think

yeah does he i don't think so i think he doesn't know what he's saying right like i think he means the uh proliferation yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's using the wrong word

right

now no i'm just an asshole no no no you're

allowed to react to what they say we do it all the time that's true just it's one of those all right let's check in with kathy man work And uh, one of them is Zoa.

And people are like, Have you tried the new Zoa?

Have you tried the new Zoa?

And I'm like, No, you know why?

Because I'm upset with them.

Because, because, because this is like the,

it just sounds so petty, like you, you know, like it's his friend or whatever who like didn't call him on his birthday or something.

But it's the rock's energy drink.

It's the rock.

Oh, it's it's it's it's the rock.

Yeah, it's the rock's energy drink, Zoa.

do we think that's a real photo of him in the rock no that's ai ah his hand is back there though i can see his hand but i don't think so i can't think it's a real i don't think it's a real one it looks like they're two separate could be a board yeah like a cardboard cut out here's what is real this this man is wearing a wedding band yeah he's married the caffeine man there's like a missing there's a caffeine woman like oh yeah someone is married oh yeah to the guy who went and made this video are Are you kidding?

Yeah, she gets, she's, you kidding me?

She wakes up in the morning.

She says, you got, you got a coffee on for me, honey?

And he says, are you fucking kidding me?

I get you the tri-stim experience.

He's got like a whole thing laid out.

Like, what do you want?

How many stems do you want?

There we go.

rendition of Zoa from several years ago.

And like I said, what I'm saying goes for both companies, Starbucks and Zoa.

But Dwayne Drock Johnson came out with this Zoa energy drink saying it was going to be the healthiest energy drink out there, the best-tasting energy drink out there.

Everyone got hyped up.

Everyone bought it.

And everyone, most people, most people knew that it was terrible.

So

listen, sometimes the guy, sometimes you know, the guy that released the thing that whose face is on it will be like, ah, it's a good, it's good, it's good.

And it's like, you can't trust that necessarily.

You can't trust Dwayne the Rock Johnson, you know, to be honest with you about the product that he benefits financially from so much.

And what can you, hey, listen, I just want to say, shout out to The Rock on his new physique.

You know, he's obviously slimmed down a little bit and he's taking a lot of heat for it in the media, but I want to stand with him and say I think his new physique looks just fine.

He quit.

steroids probably right he quit steroids is probably what happened most likely but yeah you got to do that sometimes though you know what i mean

yeah

every now and then some No, no, this is the debate that you're having.

Whether this is an occasional or whether this is a one-time

good.

You don't want to start doing them again when you get old.

Although, I don't know how steroids work.

There are certain steroids.

Well, you do start doing steroids again when you're older, but it's usually as a that's as an anti-cancer.

Yeah, it's a different thing.

Like my dad had steroids.

I know I use steroids even on my leg.

I had like a thing on my leg and I rubbed steroids on it.

So I mean I wish I used them.

That's not, you know, steroids are also good.

This guy goes, in my town, we have a very highly acclaimed award-winning Roastmaster at a nice local shop.

They also sell their roasts to a lot of other venues and drive through kiosks in the area.

My wife goes to Starbucks almost every single day, and I'll never understand it.

Yeah, okay.

You can't just be saying Roastmaster and not expect us to think about Jeffrey Ross.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or kill Tony.

Or obviously Tony Hinchcliffe, who is currently, from what I'm hearing, actually, is the number one ranked roaster in the world.

That's what Joe Rogan said.

And he's great.

He's great.

He's ranked number one.

He's great.

This guy goes, because it's basically its own bank with all the gift cards it sells.

They don't give a fuck about the coffee.

Do some digging.

You'll see.

Do a little digging into Starbucks and you'll see that this is

that they're a for-profit company behind all the behind all the pretending to be a

cooperative run for the business.

Honestly,

you'll have to like probably, if you have somebody who's like a detective friend or somebody who has like investigative sort of, you might be able to find out some negative stuff about Starbucks.

Here's a question this guy asks.

So is shotgunning energy drinks worse for you than just drinking them?

Hmm.

For context, I just shotgunned one earlier today, Ghost Cherry Limaid.

First time ever doing it.

I immediately went on a run afterward.

The first part, I'd like to imagine he did it and just ran out the door.

Yeah, like you did.

I like finished it and ran straight out.

He wasn't planning to run either.

Like he wasn't planning to run at all.

It's just

he had a meeting.

He had a meeting at his computer that he had to actually get to, but he just fucking drank the energy drink and ran out the door.

I feel like this is like the hot sauce episode in that I want to know the scovals or in this case, the like caffeine of each drink.

Every time I hear a new drink, I'm always interested.

Okay, I'll look Ghost Cherry Lymade caffeine.

He goes, I immediately went on a run afterward.

The first part of the run sucked a bit, but the last bit felt awesome.

But I was telling my friend about it.

My dad overheard and said, shotgunning them are 10 times worse than just drinking them straight up, which I guess kind of makes sense.

But I also want a bunch of random people's opinion from the internet.

So this guy

a little goofy at the end, right?

Yeah.

So ghost is, by the way, the most popular in the

most popular in the space at at this point so like that's what the that's what the streets are saying not necessarily like but but basically the people you're hearing are saying ghost is at the top of the heat press it's 200 milligrams per 16 ounce can that's kind of low it's kind of low no it's pretty hot

because we started with 300 yeah right now anything under but 300 is hot i'm actually not impressed by anything unless it's more than the panera charged lemon that's my barometer for if it's even a good drink chris is like that stuff even affects you still yeah honestly are you kidding me i i literally drink one of those before bed

this guy goes no that's stupid and the op goes it made sense at the time honestly he said the sugars and caffeine hit you harder and faster making your crash more severe and also and cause a huge spike in heart rate because of the accelerated intake of caffeine i mean does chugging i don't know i'm not a scientist again but like i don't think

chugging beer doesn't make a difference, right?

Oh, dude, I know this guy, oh, Smelly Jarelli.

He hates me, by the way.

Probably with his because you keep using his actual last name.

Oh, that's he uses people's full names on here all the time regularly.

And doxes himself as well.

Regularly, who's when, where do you know Smelly Jarelli from, though?

He's like from your childhood?

He's my brother's friend.

From growing up.

My older brother's friend growing up.

Had a hard, had a hard time growing up.

You know what I mean?

He had a hard time.

He did.

Yes.

Yeah.

Kids who stink don't have good lives.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, 100%.

Yeah, they're, it's usually a sign of like difficulties at home.

He's doing well now, though.

He's doing well and he, he just doesn't like me.

What does he not like you about?

Oh, is it, is it just like Facebook politics stuff?

You know what I mean?

Like early in that period where I was on Facebook and I was just arguing with every single fucking person that I saw.

He could shotgun a beer

in like once, like,

he could open his throat so the whole 12-ounce beer went down in like a second.

Oh, I had a freaking so fast.

And we had him do 30 one night because

we thought it was funny.

Yeah, that's not, uh, that's danger.

That is a little dangerous.

Oh, I've talked about whoop.

They're American beers.

I've talked about it before.

My friends and I would go to America and drink 30 beers regularly.

Oh, yeah.

American beer.

It was.

Yeah, the light beer here.

Yeah, light beer.

We supposed

Yeah, we would drink a bunch of them.

So it's not that crazy.

But we had our friend Barnes.

I won't say his, but he was a big football player and a great guy.

Still keep in contact with him now.

He might very well listen to the podcast, honestly, but he could do that thing where he just poured a beer down his throat in like one second.

And so he would take on people in drinking con, like we would just, like, he wasn't the biggest, he was like a shorter, kind of stocky guy or whatever.

So these giant guys would think that they could take him and he would just destroy them every time.

So we would win like liquor that way and shit at parties.

So,

this guy goes, What the hell is shotgunning?

Is that poking a hole in a can or chugging it in this context?

Yeah, you want to pace yourself, causing chugging an amount of liquid, because chugging that amount of liquid can make you feel bloated, which isn't good for a run.

The effects are all the same, it just hits you harder, not any worse off.

He guy replies and goes, Yeah, you bust a hole in the bottom and then open the top and chug it from the hole.

And the guy goes, and this guy's a rain fan, rain energy drink, R-E-I-G.

I don't see how it would be any more unhealthy than drinking it normally.

The liquid isn't changing into something else.

In my opinion, it just ruins the experience, but it's not my energy drink.

And the OP goes, yeah, I'm not going to do it again because I do drink them for flavor and as much as much as energy.

But I was just curious.

So the guy, the

guy that drinks energy drinks for the flavor.

It's like wine.

He's like a sommalier.

He's like, oh, I love the, I love the Zoa, which

caffeine man doesn't not only drinking energy drinks for the flavor, he's also posting questions for the social contacts.

Like,

he's clearly not actually curious about this,

about this question.

He's made up his mind as well.

Yeah.

Boys, can we, can we talk about energy drinks?

Hey, boys, yeah, let's just get a little back and forth going about energy drinks.

That's all.

And it's hard.

You can't just come into the forum and say, hey, what about energy drinks?

Hey, we love them.

Yeah, this is kind of his little way in

checking in with caffeine, man.

It wasn't that great.

It was hyped up way over to way, way over.

And if you don't believe me, some people are like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about, caffeine, man.

It was great.

No, it wasn't because they got rid of it.

Most people hated it.

So they got rid of it.

And then they just reformulated it and did something different with it.

And then that didn't really work out that well.

So they're like, okay, well, why don't we come out with this Zoa Plus stuff and maybe make it better?

You know, maybe do some market research, maybe have people actually test it, maybe taste it.

I want to know, did The Rock actually even taste the Zoa when it came out?

That's a good question.

My answer is no.

Yeah, if I ever got him on the line, The Rock, I would ask him that.

Did you even taste the stuff?

I mean, honestly, what kind of corporate shill are you?

You know,

did you even taste the Zoa?

Did you feel the stem at all?

Did you even recognize the stem you were feeling or anything?

Do you think, I do think The Rock tasted it, but I also think it's that thing where he took took like one sip of the can and then put it down.

You know what I mean?

Where he's like, oh yeah, sure, whatever.

They'll buy it.

Yeah, he's like, it tastes like an energy drink.

They'll buy it.

Whatever.

You know, because I think I will say this to people.

Zoa,

according to a lot of reviews and stuff like that, tastes like vitamins.

And that's good or no?

That's bad.

They don't like that.

They do not like that.

Because if he did, he's like,

this is supposed to be the best energy drink out there.

It can't be.

So he did not not even drink it.

But Zoa Plus was kind of okay.

It was a step out from what they were doing.

And then they ended up going with another rendition.

They went from 16-ounce cans that had sugar in them to 16-ounce cans without sugar, but use sucralose and stevia.

Came out with a plus for pre-workout.

Then they came out with 12-ounce cans.

And that's where they seem to have stuck.

They seem to have failed three times already and going for a fourth time.

And listen, you fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you.

I'm not going to keep drinking your drinks when you release them because you have billions of dollars to spend holy

so this guy's like listen i've i went through three different rent i bought so many of them and drank them you're not going to give me a fourth time

this guy's no dummy

look he stands on principle too so yeah and you could see it he showed images for because you guys he showed images of i'm drinking it of him with a bunch of cans of each of them you know like he got he went he got the horse in front of the cart he was like i'm not this is going to be great let's get a whole case Uh, I gotta tell you guys, that happens a lot too.

People

buy a case of these things without knowing, and they're like, Great, now I have to pour 14 of them out.

Like, why didn't you just drink one into my body?

Like, but also, if your whole life is energy drink content,

wouldn't a company that continues to produce failing energy drinks, isn't that your dream?

Like, you need that a celebrity-adjacent energy drink that keeps

iteration after iteration keeps sucking.

That's like ideal.

You can make so many videos.

So many ramps.

I know.

Mad videos.

And you could just be crazy angry about like, like, you know, Charlie, you know how like Megan Markle's big in the news these days?

Yes, yeah.

She's huge in the news all over the place.

And she's not doing steroids.

There's a guy.

There's a guy, Mike Zero, who has really keyed in on that.

And he's made, I think, 500 videos about Megan Markle.

If you catch something like that, you're right.

You can just run with it.

Now, here's another energy drink ranter.

It's very strange.

I'm going to tell you,

he doesn't have the delivery you would expect from an energy drink guy.

I'm just going to tell you that right now.

Okay.

All right.

So I wanted to bring up a little thing.

that I keep seeing a lot lately.

These articles online, and they're usually never associated with

a big media newspaper or,

you know,

low energy.

Well, I feel like he's doing, he's, I think, this is a choice.

This is a choice that he's making where he's sort of showing, like, yeah, this is what happens

an unenergized, unstemmed individual.

He's showcasing an unstemmed individual so you can see.

I think what he's doing actually is showing a stimmed individual to prove that it's not bad for you

this guy is trying to

the head of hair on this kid is unreal he's got really really good hair on him for sure he he i do feel like though you think he's on an energy drink right here yeah because he's he's saying stop blaming them and we'll let him go just a little longer so you can hear these articles usually are never associated like under

a press that i would respect or even care about the opinion of it.

Not saying they're not legit or they have their,

they have

a case, but yeah.

So

we're talking about

the articles with the

people who drink energy drinks and it used always monster because they're the biggest target.

People having heart problems.

or even dying sometimes.

Even dying.

I mean,

dying Dying sometimes.

He's also wearing a t-shirt that says death.

Yeah.

Death.

I'm sure it says something underneath, but yeah, all we can see is death.

It just says death.

Or even dying.

Like the dismissiveness of people dying.

Listen,

I'm not trying to make anything illegal.

Believe me, I'm not.

But you can't just say like, well, the people that died were.

I think he actually does clarify that here.

You probably noticed that more often than not, the articles feature

really young people.

People in their

early teens or even

early 20s, which I know they're adults, but

now

you know how many people buy and consume empty drinks?

You know how many people consume them at the level I do?

Sometimes it's two a day for me.

And some days I just won't have any.

Okay, there are no days where you don't have any.

He's referring to one like two and a half years ago, he was in the hospital and he was put under for a surgery.

And that particular day he did not have one.

Guys that say I don't do any.

Some days I don't.

Oh, some days I even forget to just drink my milligrams of caffeine.

It's something I do.

I'll smoke a bit of weed, but like some days I fucking, I'm pretty sure I don't even smoke some days.

Yeah.

I forget to.

It's not that I need I'm doing a lot better than I used to be with them.

What does that mean?

It means I think he used to have a problem.

He used to drink a lot more.

I think he acknowledges that there is a problematic way of relating to energy drinks.

Okay, but okay, okay.

I like them and they work for me.

I'm not dying.

My health is 100%.

Wait,

That's not a video game.

That's not how real health works.

Nobody's health is 100%.

I love the idea that he's 100%.

He's like, oh, I clarifies.

I have work done once a year.

My physical, well,

I go to the gym four to five days a week.

Oh.

My heart's not acting up.

My heart's not acting up.

Like when your heart acts up, that's really

oftentimes really a big issue you know what i mean it's not like something where it's we're talking 75 health uh

you know maybe 62 yeah oh boy this is uh yeah listen i sort of i guess understand the general thing of what this guy's maybe trying to say but it does feel like

I don't know.

I don't know if he's like fully

like totally honest with himself about everything, maybe.

I don't know.

Or like aware of it.

I'll say this: I think he's a bad representation

of an energy drink guy because he seems like exactly the guy we're talking about on this.

Like, he seems like a guy who really loves energy drinks.

You know what I mean?

Kind of marble mouth.

He's kind of mumbling through it a little bit.

And I said in the beginning, he seemed really low energy, but he has had a couple of stim moments where I've seen a little bit of stim pop through where he's just kind of gets a little fast and a little bit with the hand movements and stuff.

So I think he might, he's definitely on an energy drink.

I can't help out the listener with what he looks like.

He looks like a young Jim Brewer.

Yeah, he does look.

Well, right now he really does.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he's got that brewer look.

Here's a question somebody asked.

Is everyone anti-Celsius?

I've never seen anything positive about it in this community.

What's the reason?

Well, up here in Canada, we're pretty anti-Celsius.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a little Canada joke for the Canada listeners.

Another brew line.

and that's also not true because we still pretty much use Celsius all the time.

Another great thing that they do a lot is the Americans are very much brag because other countries have made drinks illegal.

And we're like, uh, not over here.

It's not.

You have as much, as many STEM experiences as you want to.

Yeah, we actually, in the government of Canada, passed a law, two STEMs only.

Yeah, yeah.

I saw a guy, dude i saw a guy pay a bunch of money from australia to get american c4 sent to him because he couldn't because they took a bunch of the stuff out of it over there in australia and for me listen if bro if if if queber i guess i would say heard that something i would always hear something's dangerous and i'd be like i gotta get my hands on some of that Charlie you know what I mean

he used to be called queber when he was growing up that was like the only name anybody called him and he was like a fucking low-life dirtbag kind of guy.

I'm loving this nickname culture.

Like, this is very

useful.

Well, I think you would also like to hear about porno Sean then.

Oh, the quick, just a quick, there's a guy who Brian grew up with that was accumulating pornos in order to open up a porno shop that never came to be, but he also was like the toughest guy in Brian's gang and would beat people up.

I wasn't in a gang, and he also was the head of the orgies.

He like the the orgies happened in his house.

Yeah, yeah.

This guy goes, they're good.

Almost all.

I realized I forgot that the orgies happened in Pornoshan's house.

Yeah.

Well, where else are they going to happen?

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Well, he had so much fun.

That you say it.

I mean, it makes total sense.

People's, the mags are all over the place.

And, you know, you crack one open, get a couple ideas.

Yeah.

People just going upstairs.

It's like, time to get out of here.

Hey, honey, it's time to go.

And then get in the car and drive off.

Oh, Brian.

He's trying to make it clear to you, Charlie, that he didn't participate.

He's a one-stim man.

But honestly, that's really up for debate.

And most of us,

I don't have an attitude about it one way or the other.

Most of the listeners feel like...

The fact that he kept going back to the parties says that he was probably involved in the orgy.

I wasn't involved in the orgies.

This guy goes, Celsius has green tea extract and L-theanine in it, which both prevent jitters and crash.

and this guy goes i have the softest almost zero crash on a lani celsius or rain storm but the original rain monster ghost and red con make me crash hard c4 i tend to stay away from the black cams are too expensive and the yellow ones make my skin flush which it's supposed to do but i don't like it so it's supposed to make your skin

what does that mean exactly it makes you so hot that you're

like is that what they're referring to I don't even know what that would mean.

It makes it sound like a selling point on the can.

Hey, this stuff will make your skin flip.

Yeah.

That's kind of, that seems like, yeah, that wouldn't be something that they would be able to openly.

advertise.

I don't know.

Here comes a fun interaction.

This guy goes, Red Bull's the only one that doesn't crash me after no idea why.

Monster Crashes, especially hard.

Gets a respond and goes, could be that Red Bull's so light on caffeine

oh yeah it could be that you're basically drinking non-alcoholic beers oh why do i have a not have a hangover because you're a pussy that's yeah

he goes could be that red bull so light on caffeine maybe 80 milligrams for the small can so the guy replies and goes i drink the big ones i drink the big ones

yeah still not that much though compared to

a guy like me who has you know three to four paneras a day yeah Let's go back in here.

Sure, true.

Sometimes, like if I down two of these, you know, yeah, you get the heart palpitations a little bit or the kind of the rush, the feeling of like, you know, but

hey, that's what we want.

If we didn't, if we didn't, if we didn't like that, if we didn't want that, we wouldn't bother drinking these in the first place.

Not to say that's that's the effect we want all the time, but sometimes that happens and it's not a bad thing if we can handle it.

Just don't over.

Not a bad thing if you can handle it.

Okay.

his face really lit up when he started talking about heart palpitations yeah and like it's very clear that like that's that's not a bug that's a feature for him like it is

weird

that's one of the weirdest things because like i'll see guys like oh i love this one i get up in the morning i drink it it makes me dizzy and i'm like dizzy is the worst feeling to me like dizzy freaks me out every time.

It happens to me a lot.

I have this thing now where I have a panic attack at any any restaurant i go to at the end not because of the bill

i don't know i get some here's what my psychiatrist thinks

i used to be freaked out constantly about money i check my bank account 500 million fucking times a day and anytime i went out to dinner i'd get the check and i'd be like right oh no that costs a lot of money you know what i mean without thinking about it before i went Like I went, I'm like, this is great.

I'm eating the food.

Hey, this is great.

And then you get the check and you're like, like, oh, probably should have done that.

Yeah.

That's why they call it the damage, right?

Yeah.

My, my, my psychiatrist thinks that, like, I'm still having the same panic attack,

but I've figured out another reason to have a pan.

You know what I mean?

Like, that, like, I get dizzy after I eat still, and I get very nervous after I eat, but I'm not worried about the check.

I'm just having a panic.

She always says panic finds a way, especially with me.

It just figures out a way to hit you no matter what.

And I have like really bad panic.

What do you do?

What do you do in the Modizer?

I mean, Katie puts on this stuff called healing hurts on her phone and drives me home if it's real bad.

Oh, that's nice.

Katie is a real, Katie is his wife, by the way.

Yeah, that is very sweet.

Katie's the sweetest and we love Katie so much.

And hey, Brian, I'm sorry that you're having that.

Listen, I like to laugh at you a lot, obviously make fun of you.

Oh, don't do that.

You're fine.

You can make fun of me.

Hey, hey, I just want to say I'm really, really sorry to hear that you're having anxiety, most likely because you drink seven to eight Diet Cokes at the two.

Okay.

I just can't believe you would repay Katie's kindness like that with all those orgies.

Well, Katie would never go.

We didn't mean to.

No, I'm saying you being it.

I'm not, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that she's

that would be, that would be, that would be really

difficult for me to suggest that

she had anything to do with it.

I'm saying that that was me suggesting that

you had participated.

Paradoxically, I did

alone

alone as a single guy, which is

a single guy, Brian.

That's

canonical.

It's cannon now that you showed up to the Orgy as a single guy.

I often encounter this where Brian's talking about nasty sex stuff on here or whatever.

And I know his wife.

And, you know, I talk to her.

And then we'll get to talking about it.

And I realize, like, he only has sex with her, right?

He's been married to her since high school.

Like, he's the only person.

So it's always about her.

And it's, I'll get caught up in it.

And then I'm just like, wait, no, I can't be saying this stuff.

That makes me feel good that it bothers you.

This guy goes, I'm not anti-Celsius, but in my opinion, it's just not good.

I've tried.

countless flavors and I've only found one I can say I kind of like.

Also, the cans are really hard to distinguish from one another.

Like, I could just tell by color what monster I'm buying or ghost I'm buying, but Celsius, all the cans look the same, and they have what seems like a billion flavors.

So, I have to scour for whatever one I'm looking for.

Also, as one more thing, most places selling are selling the 12-ounce cans, just another negative for me.

I mean, I defy anyone to be interested or compelled by anything in that post.

That's good.

Like, what is in there with any level of human stimulation?

What is that?

That is the most banal thing.

If someone said that to you at a party, you'd be like, what the fuck can I do?

Are you calling a no-stim?

You're calling no stim on that at all?

I'm calling zero stim.

I might even be say calling that a negative stim.

Is that a negative stim?

I got something that could help you out with that, Charlie, where you could listen to stuff, and it doesn't matter what the fuck it is.

Yeah.

Feel good.

Yeah.

Well, this guy goes same.

I'm also not dropping a couple bucks on drinks with names that have no meaning whatsoever.

What the fuck is cosmic vibes, fantasy vibe, oasis, vibe, Arctic vibe?

Nonsense names for player flavors.

I'd buy Cherry Lime Ghost.

I've never considered that.

Some of them are unwilling to buy stuff because they have stupid names.

I feel like all of them kind of are stupid right it's all kind of silly and stupid like fuel and like all of that shit but they they draw the line yeah they draw the line at whatever whatever whatever vibes

still called strawberry lime aid ghost yeah this guy goes i buy cherry lime made ghost i know what i'm getting mango loco monster same hawaiian punch same

likewise

mango darko monster is his idea of a literal name for the product but you know you know you're getting mango.

That's, I think, but so you see, you're also getting loco,

yeah.

Yeah, that it does get a little confusing after mango, no doubt.

But you at least know there's going to be the flavor of mango in there, I guess, is what he's saying.

And then the other stuff that he's, it doesn't even say what the flavor is.

Is that what he's saying?

He goes, also, I buy for the drink/slash volume, not caffeine.

So spending the same amount as a 16-ounce for a 12-ounce isn't in the cards.

Same applies for Red Bull and Alani.

It is true that most energy drink names could be deodorant, male deodorant names.

Yeah.

Zero editing.

Yeah, definitely.

This guy goes, it's because people in this suburb obsessed with ghost and gorilla mind.

So instead of accepting that other people have different taste buds, they just shit all over it.

We're talking about Celsius.

We have Gorilla Mind dick riders in here.

Yeah, too many of them.

It's disgusting.

This guy goes, we don't even have either of those where I live.

It's just Celsius doesn't really taste great.

I like the peach vibe, but have hated every other flavor.

And this guy goes, nah, man, they genuinely don't taste good.

And he's like, to you, imagine not being able to comprehend that people have different tastes.

And he replies, Here we go, here we go.

This is what the internet, this is what these threads are.

Well, he goes, I most definitely understand.

I'm just saying, lots of people think they're ass.

So they write about it here on the internet.

So, uh, so yeah, he goes,

I'm checking with this guy real quick before I get to more of these guys yelling at him.

These articles,

it's always like, oh,

he just drank a cup of coffee and he had a single can of monster.

Voila.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Okay.

It takes years of abuse or just

just having or he.

I just pictured.

I just pictured.

So this is like at some sort of a hearing and there was a doctor, like a scientist who spoke on like the side of banning energy drinks in like a certain area.

And this guy is speaking on behalf of energy.

In a suit, he shows up in a suit.

Yeah, he's like, this is him like giving a case to Congress, like speaking in front of Congress.

This guy goes, most people just say they don't like it and describe it how they would describe any drink they don't like.

While the vocal Celsius drinkers, probably not even most Celsius drinkers, just a few loud ones, get defensive and tell us we have children's taste buds for not enjoying Celsius.

You hate that?

I mean, honestly, but it's only

the vocal minority.

It always is the loudest.

That's how it is in everything.

It'll change your view and make you feel like there's like a real, you know, opinion.

It's not real.

This guy.

This guy is, well, I'm supposed to lie and say I think it tastes good.

When I'm commenting my opinion on a drink, it's my opinion.

I think Celsius is dog shit.

nowhere in that sentence do i say everyone thinks celsius is dog i'm well aware plenty of people like it there's a reason it's growing so fast i just think their flavors are terrible energy is solid though i'll give them that

so uh it gave them energy Yeah, and this guy goes, I think half of ghost drinkers' ghost drink flavors are terrible.

And I think Gorilla Mind is over carbonated soda garbage, but I won't sit here and shit all over it because I'm aware people are obsessed with it.

So that's the guy.

That's the Celsius guy being like, listen,

I don't like your shit.

You don't hear me running around

about Celsius.

You know what I mean?

Except now in response to what you're saying.

But yeah, in general, he's saying sort of like, hey, this is an unnecessary thing.

You don't need to share your opinion on how good something tastes because it actually could hurt the feelings of the people who think that ghost energy drink tastes good.

That's what he's saying.

Well, thankfully, this guy goes, the world needs more dissenting opinions, not more fake shit.

Don't hold your tongue because you know a large group of people like something hive mind mentality plays a big role in today's problems it's why the u.s has devolved into a political tribal back and forth r-word war where nothing good happens

these guys have uh problematic uh they use some problematic language

oh he didn't he didn't say r-word no no no no no no no no he goes i personally think ghost is the best energy drink on the market but not because some mook on reddit told me to like it Yeah, it's this.

I love that.

I prefer if you called Mook the M-word if you don't

like

this guy goes, I fucking respect this takes so hard.

Oh, yeah.

That's what we need more of.

Yeah, Ghost makes me feel like I'm prepping to go on a bender.

Celsius helps me function during the day, and the flavors don't give me a goddamn migraine because, God forbid, an energy drink, not use five different artificial sweeteners and have enough citric acid to rival the acidity of the fucking fucking toxic Avenger.

Orange cream sickle fucks hard, though.

That did seem like the kind of guy that would say fucks hard.

So I appreciated him confirming that at the end.

I need you to hear this real quick.

This guy goes, Gorilla Mind and C4 are both complete trash too, LMAO.

Guy replies and goes, Ragebait used to be believable.

And

he goes, nah, C4 has trash ingredients and Gorilla Mind is basically soda.

The guy responds and goes, trash ingredients.

We got got a dietician over here.

And the guy replies and goes, I have a degree in nutrition.

So

big winner in the thread.

He goes, called it, you can use your degree in nutrition to describe why the ingredients in C4 are trash and what energy drinks aren't trash.

So he was like, no, I was literally actually saying, I think you're a dietitian.

Yeah, and he's like, but he's like, yeah, he's saying that they're all trash, basically.

They all have bad ingredients.

And then finally, finally one of the jokes on you i knew i was chugging diarrhea

and then this guy i love he goes uh it's the lacroix of energy drinks and it's the one aimed at office people i think it's gross and don't like the way it makes me feel so uh it's for office people is an insult yeah uh

for that let's check in with our guy here see what he's got going on

person in question just might not have the body uh the

you know

just might not be able to handle what I can handle.

That's true, you know, just like

I can barely handle a lot of spicy food, you know, I still eat it, even though I, you know, I know I probably shouldn't, but you know, some people handle it like fucking champs.

They just scarf that shit down and boom.

True, it's nothing to them.

It's like drinking water.

They can drink hot sauce.

Well,

it's maybe not the same thing because monster energy drinks and other energy drinks are loaded with

chemicals and have killed people, by the way.

Hot sauce is yet to kill somebody.

Even he is acknowledging that this is like a very shoddy chemical.

I mean, so yeah, the thing I'm talking about is filled with chemicals.

But he's saying, like, yeah, that we know that we're okay with it and we like it.

I agree with him.

I'm with him on that.

This is a review of Zoa.

I don't usually drink anything with fizz in it.

This is carbonate, and I was shocked at first.

My body at 78 years old does not do well with carbonate at any

78.

How much caffeine is in those?

I'd have to look it up.

Zoa Energy.

Look up Zoa Plus because I think that's what they're running now.

Or they're in their fourth iteration now, I think.

160.

Yeah, I've heard they're at that.

Yeah, I mean, fool me once.

Somebody explained to me that they're on a different iteration.

I wonder what she's even drinking, which iteration it is.

we're looking at 160.

i think we're we we i i i doubt i would even post for a photo with the new iterations no no this guy goes does say zoa energy 16 ounce has 210 milligrams of caffeine that's from the zoa website okay which 210 is not bad but yeah i don't really get at no 210 is high chris 300 is an upper limit 300 is an upper where it's not the floor that's the minimum for me

300 is not the floor chris james floor yeah

the chris floor is is 300 and preferably something

which ones have 300 i'm gonna just the tristem the tristem does definitely but is there other ones you know oh is it like a hundred milligrams per stem is that like are we roughly is that what we so yeah so you could you could say that if you had 200 millimeters but i wonder what the how the stems are if they're if that particular beverage is attacking different parts of your nervous system and actually giving you physically different stems that you can't even get from the other ones.

So it says Celsius heat, bang energy, rockstar X Durance, and C4 Ultimate Energy are the 300.

The 300 Club.

Oh, no, actually, it says it's up to 400 milligrams.

Those

very nice, very nice.

What was the monster one?

What was it called?

X Durance.

X Durance.

Like an

excellent, like an endurance that comes from the external.

like is that what they're saying?

I think they're saying

X is X D U R A N C E.

So it is.

Yeah, it's an X durance.

Okay.

X is times 10.

I don't know if you know this.

Okay.

Oh, right.

This is endurance times 10.

Is that 10?

But that can't be a 10 stim, right?

No, I don't think there's a 10 stim.

I mean, if you, you know, 10 stem, I mean, I heard rumors about a guy going to 10 stem once, but like, that was those.

Oh, I heard, I heard, I had a friend who did, he got close, he did nine stem, and then the jester came and fucking stopped.

The jester will get you on it.

This says gorilla mind energy drink tiger's blood has 400.

Ooh, very nice.

400 is a nice round number.

Wasn't it insanely high number?

Gorilla mindset.

Was that like a right-wing thing?

Like, is that

gorilla mind?

Okay.

Yeah.

No, I don't think it has anything to do with it.

I don't know for sure.

I don't know.

Am I saying that?

Was Gorilla Mindset a thing?

No, you're right.

It was.

It was like Mike.

Cernovich.

Gorilla Mindset.

But I would, Charlie, it doesn't strike me as could be possibly true that a conservative person would have anything to do with an energy drink.

Right.

Are there any left-wing energy drinks?

Oh, that's.

Celsius.

It's called Celsius.

Oh, nice.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's for us.

That's for the left.

We drink a Celsius.

brian's a prominent leftist brian's a prominent i'm a huge prominent leftist so anyway this guy goes so this tasted so good i left one open overnight it was perfect the next morning for me i love the fact that it's only 10 calories and gives me energy which of course i need desperately the peach is wonderful and i thought that would be the only flavor i don't really care for but i'm a peach lover now no sugar is a plus for all of us the health benefits of no sugar can't be expressed enough sugar kills so stay away from it and it was delivered to my door by the nice Amazon delivery people.

Can't be beat.

This heat is too much for me.

So now I drink one energy drink, go to my water aerobic class every day and can't be happier.

Of course, I will be ordering this again.

So happy I found it.

So I'm picturing a elderly person.

It's elderly.

It's a 78-year-old.

person drinking a Zoa.

Okay, okay.

That is the most wholesome engagement I think you've given us so far.

Oh, yeah.

It feels like this sweet old lady who, yeah, she's nearing the end of her time on this mortal coil and she wants to have a little fun with a Zoa.

I got no problem with that.

This person goes, Great if you want to stay awake, bad if you'd like to sleep at night.

Well, yeah,

he goes, These are delicious, and my dietician approves all flavors very good.

But I finally connected my insomnia.

Who's your dietitian?

Is this guy, a reputable guy.

My dietician is saying that my energy drink consumption is fine.

Yeah, he explained to me what, like, the, how many energy drinks I should be having.

I guess that's probably true.

I'm being, I'm being like, I guess a probably dietitian would say, if you have to have them, you know, this is a better one to have and have it in moderation or whatever.

Well, I do like the idea that they go, but I finally connected it to my insomnia.

Yeah.

So never drink afternoon if you want to sleep that night.

Yeah, that seems like somebody who's a little bit, because that's a pretty common

sense thing, right?

Like you don't drink coffee at night or whatever, or caffeine at night.

Well, Chris, we know how much you, we hear a guy's LLC or Violence Gang LLC.

That's the name of the company.

That's the name of the company.

He thought it was a funny joke because we talk about his violence gang.

I don't have a violence gang.

But it would be a funny joke to name the LLC Violence Gang LLC.

And guess what, Charlie?

It ain't such a funny joke.

I think it's funny still.

I like it.

It causes a lot of problems for us.

I don't like saying it when I go to the bank or whatever, but I'm fine with it.

We'll have like, yeah, we have account issues often, I'll say.

Yeah, yeah.

The violence gang.

Well, yeah, like my friend was in a punk band called The Smugglers, and they had to, and they had to go, like, they would tour internationally, and it's like every border they got to.

They were like, well, what the fuck?

did you think was going to happen?

Like, you called yourself the smugglers.

Well, here's a guy who is definitely writing a story on Amazon about Zoa.

With a lifelong energy drink addiction, I can safely say that I've tried more energy drinks than most folks.

Please, please, please understand that I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this.

Uh-oh.

This guy is, he's

trying out for a writing job at an unspecified outlet.

We encounter these guys a lot where they're like, I'll just get my writing out out there on a forum post or a review, but it's like you can tell that they're like, they're not writing it in the same way a normal person does.

They're writing it with a little flare.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe Lauren Michaels will see it.

Maybe Lauren will see it.

Maybe Lauren will see it when he's when he's buying energy drinks.

When he's buying a Zoe energy drink.

That's the crazy thing, right?

Charlie, it's like Dwayne the Rock Johnson or whatever.

Maybe he's a bad example because of his proximity.

But like a really famous guy, he has to go buy something.

He's going to look at the reviews.

Exactly.

Your best chance to get your work in front of their eyes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this.

Zoa Zero Sugar Energy Drink Pineapple Coconut is easily, unequivocally, absolutely the very worst one that I've ever tried.

Sounds bad.

I will say that.

Most energy drink companies understand that if you're packing your drink with a bunch of gross-tasting stuff, you have to use strong flavors to hide or

overpower that.

Not this crap.

The pineapple is muted at best, and the coconut's barely a stuttering whisper.

Barely a stuttering whisper?

Oh, there it is.

There's the flare.

Yeah, let's,

I gotta get, let's get an editor in on that.

And just if Charlie, Charlie is a, is a professor of right at like

a university professor.

So, yeah, you probably, are you, you're probably a little bit impressed with this.

So, no, no, no.

So, I, yeah, former, it's been a while, but for former creative writing instructor, I definitely would underline stuttering whisper in red ink.

And I'd send that back for a second draft.

Because if you need some numbers for perspective, and if my calculations are correct, I figure this drink is about 50% regret, 49% yucky, and 1% pineapple coconut flavor.

It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the gross flavor is.

You don't want to keep thinking about it, but you have to wrestle with the fact that you just paid $27.36 for a 12-pack.

This guy fucking bought a 12-pack

is buying multiples i think it's the only way

you can get it probably for some of them right it's not available in the area so you have to order it and you probably can't order a single can that's what i'm guessing because they're ordering it off of amazon right so it's probably like it's the only available amount and they need to try it because they're such a an energy drink guy

but then but then they they get it and they're like this is

horrible i love the idea of him being like just struggling in his mind to like don't think about what the gross taste is, you know, don't think about it, don't fucking think about it, but he can't stop thinking about like what is making it taste like that?

Like,

yeah, I uh, I don't think that's a good feeling to have after you drink a beverage.

Also, just having $27.36 for a 12-pack of electrified poopy water.

Well, lucky for y'all, I have a wee penny pinching goblin scientist in my brain that keeps poking at my gray matter and screeching, you've already paid for it.

It may as well drink it for science.

So, you know, for science, I drank a whole can.

Heck, I even cracked and tried a second can to ensure this wasn't an isolated incident in a singular can.

Well, that's smart.

That is actually smart.

That's the one thing.

I wouldn't drink the whole can, but I would maybe crack another one and see like, hey, did this one go bad somehow?

Did I get a rancid hit of

Zoa?

Well, he goes, a second can can a second can to ensure that this wasn't an isolated incident in a singular can.

Nope.

The second can was an all-expenses paid trip to Yucktown, too.

I think I figured out a good approximation for what the grossness actually tastes like, though.

If you've ever had one of those multivitamin horse pills, no, not the chewable ones that are made with, you know,

I hate that style.

That in writing, we're like assuming the reader is, you know, like, I hate everything about this, but yes, I know what you mean.

No, not the blah, blah, blah.

I know what you're thinking, but no.

Like, you don't know know anything about me.

We're markedly, we're very different.

We're completely opposite.

I know what you're thinking.

You're looking at me thinking this celebrity and this celebrity had a baby and they're going, what?

Standing up comedy, Brian.

You wouldn't get it.

I get it.

I've got it.

We're talking boards, treading the boards.

No, not the chewable ones that are made with, you know, flavors, like a proper big old pill that you're somehow expected to swallow without tasting, and you accidentally let sit on your tongue too long so that you started tasting it.

Well, there you go.

Now, that seems like not a common experience.

Listen,

I know vitamins are gross,

but you're really getting specific on the flavors.

that this is he goes if you were hungover one day and you made the mistake of thinking centrum one a day was a chewable vitamin because your brain goblin was also hungover, and you tried chewing it, and that's it.

That's my best approximatization, approximation,

approximation,

September fish.

When we're recording this, so you have to take it easy on me.

September Fish is again, sorry to the listeners who want to kill me when I do this.

September Fish is the he said September Fish.

He makes things called flubs, and there's a group called the Flubheads who, like, when he does a flub, they go crazy.

They pound their table and they start chanting and stuff, and they have like groups.

And so, September 5th is a big day for the flub heads because it's sort of the day where we celebrate all the flubs, yoga, the most recent.

He said, instead of backlash for mocking Trump, he said blacklash for monsting trunk.

That was that one is going off online.

I mean, yeah, who can blame him?

Yeah, that one's he, he said, um, what did you say?

Instead of buxom, he said bungsome.

No, I don't remember.

It's coming out, though.

I'm sure I'll hear it.

Yeah, that one came out today as we're recording this.

Bungston or Bungsum?

I don't remember.

It was very

rough.

But Bungsum.

Very good.

But yeah.

Bungsum is a hard thing to say.

Yeah, it is.

But today is like a celebration of the flub.

So it makes sense.

Let's check in one more time with Mr.

Caffeine Man.

See what he's got going on.

I forgot about the caffeine man.

I wonder how he is.

He's such a regular looking guy.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You look at him and you're like, if you saw him in person, you would not think he's like a foremost

energy drink influencer.

I think it depends on like sort of when you caught him.

If he was fully stemmed up and you saw him just fucking going like mile a minute, like you might get a but yeah, just he just looks like a regular guy would have a regular job.

I'm gonna probably find

Caffeine Man and the Tri-Stim experience and see if we can find that and maybe do that on a on a bonus or something what are the views on a video like this

caffeine man is not one of the bigger influencers out there uh

886 views but he has 50 000 subscribers yeah he does great and is those numbers seem off

i don't want to i don't want to

i don't want to make any accusations against the caffeine man but i don't know that those sink up

yeah yeah that's uh i mean it's also bad anyway where it's like, so 51,000 people subscribe and only 800 were like, I'm gonna click that video.

That's that indicates, as somebody who studies YouTube a lot, that indicates that you had a really big video maybe where he got a bunch of subscribers from it, but then not a lot of them had any interest in the other stuff that he did.

Maybe.

I think more likely he's he might have dipped his toes in the old.

Unlike Dwayne, somebody's still juicing here.

Maybe that's why he's angry at the moment.

Maybe this is a projection.

It is very possible.

Here we go.

Until you get it right.

And that's how I also feel about Starbucks.

A lot of the same things.

Because in 2014, Starbucks came out with their refreshers because the refreshers were very popular in the stores.

So they decided to bring that same popularity into the can.

They were made with green coffee bean extract, so they were considered energy drinks because they had caffeine in them from a natural source, as well as having some decent flavors.

They weren't really overly competitive, but they kept them out there for a while.

They already had the plant facility to to make the refreshers.

All they had to do was can them.

So in 2022, they came out with another energy drink to surpass all the other energy drinks because it's Starbucks.

They have billions of dollars to research and have.

I know a guy that calls it cuckbucks.

Yeah, I heard they're not actually doing that well.

I don't know if they have that much money to be doing research and stuff.

There's been an

advent.

Recently, somebody invented a mom-and-pop coffee shop.

Yeah, maybe go to a mom-and-pop shop if you want to get some of this information.

You know what?

The thing about Starbucks is they own it, they're only in it for the money.

Yeah, that's the thing.

I'll say this about

them.

These guys do

think that's an interesting point.

Like they don't in their because

I think a lot of people that are a little older grew up at a time where going to Starbucks was kind of a status symbol thing.

Right.

For like a small short amount of time.

Yeah.

Like when they first started building them here in Ohio, like

if you went there, it was like, look at this.

Look at this.

Especially in the States, that's true.

That was not the case really in Canada.

But I remember I was in

Atlanta once, and my friend who was like, he was talking about how his sister was artsy.

Like, she went to Starbucks.

Yes.

And it was like,

yeah, it was like, oh, that's not, that is a very different cultural signifier in Canada.

And I think, I think that that is one of the reasons that a lot of these guys are like, everybody thinks Starbucks is so fucking good.

It's like, I don't know about that anymore.

They're just kind of like the thing that's there.

They're like

institution.

Yeah.

McDonald's.

My biggest issue with them personally, I love Starbucks.

You know me.

I'm always going to Starbucks, but my issue is.

Can I get some coffee-flavored coffee, please?

That's our rant.

That's from the...

Yeah, that's Leary, basically.

That's Leary.

That's the rant man himself, the master of the rant.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, all these different sizes, mocha, doca, whatever.

Just Kenna, how about a coffee for crying out loud?

I like the part where he talks about the guy, the hipster behind the counter at Starbucks with his pants falling down.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, Dennis.

All right.

Have taste testing done.

They know what people want.

They can get it to them because if you have billions of dollars, make a good drink.

And they came out with via if you want to know all my thoughts on that drink, you can check out that video right there.

It goes over all the details of this crappy energy drink that they released.

Yes, billions of dollars that they have, and they made a crappy energy drink.

And so, you can check out that video.

But I am actually fairly confident that it's been discontinued because I don't think you can find it anymore.

If you do, it's usually at your discount stores because they're selling it down.

You don't want to hear that.

You do not want to hear they have it at Dollar Tree because that means your drink is going away.

And if you go to our slash energy drinks, they will let you know.

Like G Fuel has been at the Dollar Tree lately.

So they're like going crazy.

They're like, we got to get all this G Fuel.

I never even thought of that with like how everyone has become so obsessed with like brands and things like that.

Now you're right, where they're like so brand loyal and you're like in a community online where you're like, I like this type of tool and not this type of tool or this brand.

And that's got to be the ultimate thing, taking the photo of them in the dollar store to say like, this is your shit.

Is like, yep, it's bad.

The remainder been

gone, it's done.

New flavors because it was bad.

That's all it is.

If you look at my scores on there, I'll actually, you don't have to watch the video.

I'm not going to force you to watch that video.

I'm going to spoiler alert for you guys.

If you did want to watch that video, go watch it now because I'm going to tell you what the scores were.

See, this is what

this is why Caffeine Man is at a 50,000 subscriber, 800 views ratio.

Yeah, he's not.

He's telling people actively not to watch his eyes.

Spoiling

his his own teasers can i also say i just want to say this okay actually let him talk for a second sure and then we'll because me and chris deal with a lot of ratings guys guys that rate things yeah and

It doesn't work ever, but here he goes.

And if you've watched Caffey Man videos and you know Caffey Man, you're going to know that

those are some pretty bad scores.

A lot of people say I'm generous with my scores.

So if a drink actually tastes good, I guess a decent score.

But when you got a 6'5, you're not buying that drink and with it with how competitive all these flavor categories are there are so many more drinks than those so that's why they're being discontinued so

if a bad can

is 6.5 there's not enough what is the scale we're rating on you can't say this is terrible it's a 7.0 yeah

so you're you're i think you're giving too high a rate it's got well and this guy i think he loves energy drinks right?

Oh, he does.

In the beginning, he was just like, well, this is a 10.

Well, this one's a 10.

Well, I mean, this one's a 9.5, maybe, because it like made me a little sick after, but like, yeah.

And so he ended up with this scale that was way off.

We know it's around guys, we say there should, every scale, rating scale should be three out of three.

It's simple.

I'll give you four.

I'll give you four, but three out of three is three.

Three is like just three out of three is great.

Two out of three is like pretty good.

One out of three is bad.

That's it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's good.

and sometimes we wish they'd let you give a zero that's a that's a classic poster

yeah

oh man yeah well i i think like

we're we're in such a rating

like a disaster world for ratings you know what i mean because it's like

a guy like this is giving gross things 7.0s you know that's got to be a two or three that has to be If you're saying it's so gross, it's discontinued, you hate it.

And somebody's just going to come on, like you're the type of channel where people aren't going to be watching every one of your videos.

They're just going to come along and see a review for this product they might like.

And then they see a 7.2 and they're like, yeah, I guess I'll give it a try then.

I love that in this scenario, you're both treating it as though Caffeine Man is actually driving the

market decisions.

Like, like that there's anyone going in and just like, like, I don't have time to watch the video.

Just give me the numbers.

Yeah, they don't even watch the video.

They just need caffeine.

I just need, I need, what are the reviews?

Give it, just give me a number.

50,000 people go to him for

800 information.

50,000 people.

Right.

That's true.

But in his mind, he's like, 50,000 people come to me, man.

I got to do it.

Well, that is energy drink, guys.

I think these guys are going to show up a lot more.

Chris, I did have a rant, another rant guy, but you would have had to use some bleeps.

We have all these rant guys that we find, you know, and we play them, but it's so annoying.

I always have to pull out my bleep gun on them.

Oh, yeah.

I'll show you.

I want to show you the guy.

Sure, see the guy.

You're saying we'd be able to tell that he might need the bleep gun?

We might be able to tell that you're going to need the bleep if you see the guy.

I should have known when I was watching it.

And these are values-based bleeps.

My values.

Yeah, I don't want them them on the, I don't want them on the show.

Certain words I just don't want.

Yeah, we just don't really want.

No, that's what I'm saying.

Like, these are not swear words you're bleeping out.

These are.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

We'll leave in some.

This is

hateful language.

Hateful language.

Yeah.

Yes.

Big language.

So, oh, yeah.

He's wearing one of those big DC ass flat rim.

Oh, my God.

This guy is.

Yeah, I would just, I would know right away, seeing this guy as soon as he came up and talked to me, I would know that.

Yeah.

He's going to say some stuff.

He's going R-word mode.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

Charlie, do you have anything you want to plug?

I have

a new...

When does this go up?

You know, two weeks.

Two weeks.

Okay.

Well, I have a new comedy special out and a new comedy album called uh fish from the jar uh from uh comedy here often at 604 records so if people want to check that out that would be uh wonderful charlie's one of one of the funniest comedians in our country and that i know and

i have known him for a long time and watched him do comedy he has i'm sure you guys brought up a lot and it's obviously a big thing right now but you have i think the best joke about

Israel-Palestine.

And I think you could probably look it up online, but it is a very, very good and poignant joke.

And yeah, he's just one of the funniest guys, one of my favorite comedians.

So

I just almost did one of my famous, oh, pro-Israel then, huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the way we go over here.

Well, we, well, in our defense, we're...

We're trying to get Bibby on.

And so just for the time being, we thought we were going to get on just for a regular episode to talk about something.

Racist guys.

we're just going to talk to them and we're just going to kind of give them the floor from time to time.

Yeah, just sort of, you know, yeah, that's what you got to do with them.

You won't come on the show if you don't.

All right.

Ellis, thank you very much for having me.

I tell you what, I feel like a big, tall glass of Celsius right now is like nice.

Well, that's bad, actually.

But hey, yeah, all right.

We'll see you all next week.

Goodbye.

Bye.