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There's a whole Reddit thread.

My boyfriend is AI.

It's women and people on there talking, like sending screenshots of how their AI cares for them, and they check up on them.

They ask him to make images of them in a house together and what that would look like.

And you know what?

As you're saying this, Alona.

I'm actually kind of seeing the thrill of it.

No.

Because

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Coming up on today's episode of House of Marr, we're talking AI Boyfriends, Sabrina Carpenter's God-approved album cover and Love Island.

We love to start our show by touching a little grass, which is just, you know, sometimes you can take life a little too seriously.

So we're here to remind other people and ourselves to touch some grass.

Ladies, I want to talk about the MIT study that came out this week.

Did you see anything about this?

I read the Time article about the study.

Ah, okay.

Okay.

I was doing a TikTok on it, I guess, but no, I have not heard anything about it.

So they came out with a study that says chat GPT may be eroding critical thinking skills, according to their new study.

What does that sound like to you, Alona?

God damn.

Eroding critical thinking skills that people just aren't able to think for themselves.

And, you know, when they're faced with a problem, they can't figure out their own answer to it, you know?

So the study divided.

the 54 subjects into three groups and asked them to write several SAT essays.

One group was able to use OpenAI's chat GPT.

One group used just a Google search engine and the other used nothing at all.

And, you know, the researchers studied their brain waves, their brain activity.

And what they found was that the chat GPT users got lazier with each essay.

I can't say I'm surprised.

No, not at all.

But why aren't you surprised?

Well, because it's become almost like a crutch.

People aren't using their own brains.

They're just waiting for the computers to generate it for them.

You know, you're no, like,

at least if you're just Google search engine, you're finding maybe like research and doing other other things like there's still some connections that need to be made but like people can just ask chat gpt to do anything and everything you still have to think critically to google well like that's kind of how i feel i mean maybe that's google what to google how to google something where to look what to be understood what what to get from what you're reading and understanding instead of just using something that like gives you all the answers and maybe that's because we went to school in a time where we could use google for research but we also did use a bit of books because our teachers made us i think sometimes source books.

I don't know if that ever happened to you guys.

But, like, so there was still that critical thinking element instead of everything just being handed to you, which I think is so spooky that over a study that's just that's happened, they could already see a cognitive decline.

You know, this isn't lifelong use.

This is a, this is a, you know, a study that was done within a certain parameters, and they already saw damage being done essentially to brains.

What I will say that I liked about

the research and the article is that this research hasn't been

peer-reviewed yet, but they are so scared of what ChatGPT will do to younger people who are in school and the impact it may have that they wanted to release it sooner to try to prevent kindergarten GBT, like stuff like that.

I've never, I don't even know, think I know what Chat GBT is.

I've never used that in my life.

She's free.

I'm free.

I know, I have a friend who uses it for everything.

Like, genuinely everything.

She knows who she is if she's listening, but we were at a wedding.

She used it to write

a note to the couple on a poster board.

See, that's so scary.

I was like, what are you doing?

She's like, oh, ChatGBT just wrote my note.

You couldn't have written, love you guys.

You are the best couple ever.

I wish you all the happiness yourself.

She went to ChatGBT to use it and she uses it for like everything, really.

She's kind of dependent on it, which i she's such a smart girl as well i think it's almost like

maybe she could say it a better way but like we're becoming a time where everything's maybe nitpicked and you're in you get insecure about things for sure me so like you here's a thing that can from what i understand just can write anything for you right and just like you give it a prompt and it just

it actually creates pretty good stuff.

Again, I don't know what it is.

And it's, I mean, it's artificial intelligence, right?

So you can give it prompts and it'll, it'll do or find whatever for you, write something and you go, you can, it can take that.

It knows it because it's intelligent.

And you can say back, can you make this a little more direct?

Can you make this sound a bit more direct and smart?

And then they'll take what they did and they'll do it again.

It's like communing with.

It feel to these people, I think it feels like a person.

But I guess I also wanted to go into this conversation being kind of careful about how we spoke about it.

Because as you say, I have friends that it comes out to that like, oh, well, I was, I was chatting with ChatGPT and i was like you were doing what you were chatting with it you were doing what where to me i think there's more people out there than we realize like when you find out that way more people are doing cocaine than you than you than you like right realize you know what i mean

i think it's the same thing with chat gpt like i have friends who like either are just like yo i was talking to chat gpt or i asked chat gpt and i was like hey i just saw a girl's video actually of her just like walking in a river and and it was like oh i asked chat gpt this well i asked the river and she thinks you're a loser that should think for herself like um is chat gpt an app i don't know if it does have it must have an app what is it but it's it's also like a website too i believe i've never done chat gpt either it must have an app if people if your friend at a wedding

chitty chatting or shortcuts to it and everything it's scary and i saw i saw something else that was like make sure you start eating healthy and getting your exercise now because the doctors of the future are using chat gpt right now and aren't gonna know anything yeah that's very that is scary.

I'm so glad I didn't have chat GPT during school because I know myself.

I was sometimes a little lazy of a student.

And I think I would.

I'm just kidding.

I got the department award.

Okay.

But I think I would have used it too much.

Not that I, and I don't, I wouldn't have plagiarized.

That is a harsh line.

But that's another thing we got to talk about is baby plagiarizing.

I think it's a slippery slope.

I see how it becomes a crutch, as you said.

You use it once and you had this instant gratification.

And so you don't want to, you don't want to mess up.

You don't want to seem like you're going to be wrong about something.

So you just use it again and again and it becomes more and more and more.

And you're not using your own brain.

And that's like, I think a big worry.

Maybe it's a bit personal, but like our darling Opa passed away from Alzheimer's, you know, and that is a, that is of the brain.

And there's all kinds of studies on as you get older and how active you keep your brain or not.

And obviously that's a disease.

It has nothing to do with it.

But as you get older,

there's that saying that's like, use it or lose it.

You got to use a muscle or you're going to lose it.

And your brain is the same way.

You need to be using it.

You need to be thinking.

You got to be doing the hard things, thinking the hard thoughts.

Do the Google search, write things yourself.

Like it's tough and it sucks, but it makes you a better person.

I did a lot of writing in college, and writing sucks, but you get good at it the more you do it, just like anything.

Practice makes perfect.

Practice makes perfect.

So,

ChatGPT, is it writing books and stuff?

Is it

writing songs?

I got, so I put up a

TikTok and I was like, no one's writing werewolf books anymore.

Like good werewolf books.

And someone commented, I asked ChatGPT to write books for me.

And then they'll just read what ChatGPT puts out there.

And is it good?

They say it's good, but I'm like, you're not supporting authors.

And also at that point, because how these systems work, in which they are taking sources from like everywhere, it's most likely stealing other authors' work to then create this story.

Yeah.

I can see the draw to that because like you are often like, no, there's no integrity in werewolf book writing anymore.

And you're so funny about it, but you mean that because you like certain tropes, you like it to be written to a certain level and whatever.

So I imagine somebody could turn to

any kind of AI, artificial intelligence and say, write me a werewolf love story that includes this and this and these tropes.

Like, and they could create the perfect story for you, but like, yeah, you're not supporting humans, the people around us.

Like,

huh,

you know what's interesting?

Um, AI on TikTok.

I have to say, some AI is pretty impressive.

Are you talking about the fan drawings or the AI drawings of like girls?

They'll like take you into the world.

Like, genuinely, there's like you can watch almost scenes from Throne of glass made of out of ai and then there's like recently these like very sexual country songs have you heard those the like comedy country very good comedy country songs but they sound like country because they take isn't it they take all this all every country song that's ever been written and they they have that to their disposal and they make songs that just sound like right like it like exactly like it it's crazy i mean we i've even seen weird ai videos made of you like ah yeah, I know.

It's scary.

Our aunt sent it to me actually, and they were like, what in the AI?

And they take a video picture of you and they're able to like, I think it used to be, it used to be called deep fake, right?

Yeah.

You can like look at someone's face.

It's a deep fake.

And it was you saying like, I've decided to not be playing rugby.

Like, but it's like clearly robotic, but it like, it's scary.

I'll send it to you.

No, don't.

The more someone is in media, the better these deep fakes can become.

Like you'll see them like walking down the street where it won't be that obvious and that robotic where you're actually looking at it and you're like is that a real video like i've had to catch myself on so many different videos to be like oh i don't think this is real right it's so scary accurate people have sent me viral like in the street interviews you know how the but they're now made of ai oh yeah and they're scary and a friend sent it to me but i don't want to be like you idiot that's ai because it took me a second too like it's becoming undetectable and that is horrific to me i think we all just need to touch some grass.

Like feel the earth beneath your feet.

Start, be like Alona.

Don't even know if ChatGPT is an app.

She's really painting with all the colors of the wind, apparently.

That's our girl.

She's so in touch with nature.

But I think another point where, once again, I don't want to be too harsh, but I think we would, we should touch some grass here is that people have relationships with their AI chatbots.

They have full-blown relationships.

Like one guy just proposed to his and it said yes.

While being in an actual relationship in real life.

Right.

Spooky.

I think I have seen that.

I saw a TikTok on it, but like it seems so fake.

But you're telling me there are

people who are,

what are they doing with these?

So they're, how are they, they're, because they can ask these things questions and they will answer as if they're a woman or a man.

Not even just questions, though.

They have full-blown dialogue now.

like back and forth.

They basically can train their AI chat bot to be the perfect person for them and respond to them in like a more doting way if that's what they like or what like they have these they they use it as companionship they're not turning to the people around them they're turning to this thing that they've trained to be exactly what they want it's so dystopian and it's happening all around us I imagine

they can the AIs can do everything

I'm scared

Do you guys remember that like viral tweet from like seven years ago that it was like in 2025, women are going to have sex with robots?

And everyone was like, next year.

You know, like, yeah, oh, yeah.

We've actually had it.

Like, people are having sex with robots, but it's LGBT.

Right.

Yeah.

They're having text, like, phone sex, essentially.

There's a whole Reddit thread of, it's called like

my boyfriend is AI.

It's, it's women and people on there talking, like sending screenshots of how their AI cares for them.

And they check up on them and they just have this full-blown, you know, they ask him to make images of them in a house together and what that would look like and look hey you know what as you're saying this

i'm actually kind of seeing the thrill of it no

because

it sounds like it sounds like you can create

what you want i'm not actually i'm not actually into it but it's interesting we talk a lot about how we're we have trouble finding people who men who can we can have conversation with who we think deep with so then i can i i wouldn't do it but i could see the thrill of women who, well, frick, I can't find this in real life.

Here I can create something.

And I mean, that's why we escape into books in what way, you know, we escape into books to have these men who are what we deem as, you know,

viable and somebody we would like.

So, but those even those books, the men in books were written by a human, though.

That was of somebody's brain.

Like, that was somebody came.

It was written by a human.

But yeah, you know, you read books now where I've been reading a couple books where I'm like, that was definitely written by a woman.

Like some of those men, I'm like, okay.

He doesn't exist.

That's not.

I'm sorry, ma'am.

That isn't right.

I see these like relationships as addictive for sure.

So I wonder if it's almost like the new porn addiction, that you keep it very quiet, but it's a crutch.

It's something you lean on.

You have this relationship with it.

You can't function without it.

Like.

You know, people are in relationships and then have these like AI partners.

And I think that's cheating.

I think that's cheating as well.

Emotionally cheating.

Put that time into your partner.

What are you doing?

And it's just, you know, like, I do feel sympathy for people who are like, you know, there's nothing out there.

So they turn to a chat bot.

But it's also like, there's so many lonely people out there that I'm like, there should be enough people in the world to be able to make these connections.

Yeah.

There's how many billions of people in the world?

Eight, I think.

Now, like, chat to someone.

People should try shifting again.

That feels like a better option than what is.

What is it?

What is it?

Shifting.

Adriana, you need to explain shifting.

That is so internet.

That is so deep-cut internet.

Shifting is when people,

I still don't know if it's like real or not, but people shift into a different universe in their mind.

So they will like lay out a map of how they're going to shift.

And so, and then they write out this whole reality of what it's going to be.

They're going to be like, I'm going to enter Hogwarts and I'm going to be a sixth year and I'm going to be in Ravencoat.

And then they're like, and then I'm engaged to a Weasley twin and they're convinced and they you see videos of them they're like

I just woke up after spending seven years in the Hogwarts universe

and so I'm like I'd rather you do that than this that's using your own imagination though good ones for real guys I actually think I could partially shift then.

You guys know those stories I have in my head.

Alona writes books in her head to sleep and she literally has deep plot lines.

Like literally get a publisher on the phone if you want want someone to, like, she has deep stories, like fantasy novels, fantasy.

Oh, we get into it.

I got deep.

I haven't heard an update in a while.

No, actually, I was wondering about those two characters in that one.

That was.

Hold on.

My Fae one.

My Fae one.

That's a good one.

Okay.

I have a werewolf story.

That one's pretty fire.

Maybe one day I'll just sit in front of this and tell you all my stories.

I have a Fae story.

That one's really good.

That one's really good.

That one's really good.

That one has a lot of like one lover, then we go to another lover, and then she's a badass.

And she's actually, um, her father is like the god of darkness.

Anyway, um,

and then I have a story about in my head, what else do I listen?

Do oh, um, Shadow Hunter one.

You have an avatar one, right?

I have an avatar.

Well, I, that's it's not really an avatar one, but it's when she, it's kind of like a 100 avatar, she goes to another planet.

There's

100, she means the CW's the 100, one of the greatest

works of,

you know, TV ever created.

And I gotta say, Alona sat at, I think we met, we must have had dinner and then like drink.

So we were all sat and Alona led us in on these plot lines and these characters and these stories.

I was genuinely giggling, kicking my feet, being like, and then what happens?

Like, it's good.

I should get a ghostwriter on the phone because I got some.

But again, I'm almost, I'm almost chat GBT

because I'm taking ideas from all these books.

Right.

You know?

But that is how the human brain works.

Okay, well, let's make a pact that we won't use chat GBT right here.

You're like, but Gemini is on the table.

Do we have a message to anyone who maybe is

noticing that they are relying on, you know, AI a bit too much?

Is there any parting words we want to say?

Like, what, do you want to sing them a song?

Like, how do we.

Break up with your AI boyfriend, girlfriend first.

Take that time to heal, but I think you need, that's the first step.

I don't have much.

I would just say, you know, get out there and remember you didn't go to school for how many years to let something write something for you.

You got this, girls and people.

I think I want to say, like, being human and being alive is messy.

And it's awkward, but that's the point of being alive is to experience.

And you got to let yourself do that.

And if you're hiding behind a prompt or a computer in that way, you're not living life to the fullest.

So

I beg everyone to touch some grass.

All right, well, let's go on to some other kind of divisive topics.

We're going to head into our coffee clutch, which is where we're just going to go over what's percolating in pop culture today.

Sabrina Carpenter released an album cover that caused some controversy.

Yes.

Did you guys see

the first cover?

Because she's not released a new one, apparently.

An alternate God-approved cover for Man's Best Friend.

Which is funny of her.

I think she's laughing at everyone.

First off, what did you think of the first cover?

I didn't mind it.

I thought it was hot.

The album's called Man's Best Friend.

Yes.

It's her on her knees and a man is pulling her hair as if she's a dog and her hair is the leash.

Mm-hmm.

Not my favorite.

Okay.

Not my favorite.

I...

But it's not like, I'm not all up in arms about it, but I do wish maybe she went into another direction.

So, can you tell us why people are mad or why you're mad?

Like, what about it?

Well, like, man's best friend, man's best friend is a dog, essentially.

A bitch, a female dog.

Okay, sorry, keep going.

She's a bitch.

Uh, just to like have a woman on her knees in front of a man being dragged by her hair, it's like degrading to women to put them down, like comparative to a dog and like the man's the master, like that kind of comparison.

And then, not my favorite.

Doesn't she have, but doesn't she have like all songs degrading men in a way?

Yeah, like,

she also like kills men in several of her music videos, right?

And

like,

it both, it all exists.

I do love her takes and like her artistry, and it's so fun.

And so, I think that this is another fun thing, and you know, she's always testing the boundaries, which is why I'm not like, oh, never listening to her again.

But if I have to choose between this cover, the old cover, and the alternate cover, I'm choosing the alternate cover.

Really?

I thought it was kind of,

I don't know.

I thought it, I did see a comparison drawn online that was like, look at Madonna.

Madonna,

dad talks about all the time.

Madonna knew where the line was and she would just put her toe right over it.

So Madonna was always spoken about.

And like, is that not what Sabrina's doing here?

She found the line.

She found where people would be a little bit mad.

She put her toe over it.

And it's like, you're talking about it.

It is, you know, you know, people call it degrading.

People call it whatever.

I think it was quite, it's art, though.

It's her thoughts.

It's her emotions.

It's what she's putting out into the world.

As a rather straight woman, I thought it was cool.

I thought it was hot.

I was like, okay, go, Sophrina, do your thing.

But, because I do love her music and I love that she's listening.

I'll be tuned in.

But

I don't know.

I didn't really understand why everyone was up.

I could hear, I could see why people are up in arms for feminism, for women everywhere.

But at the same time, it's her art.

What are your thoughts?

What are your thoughts on the man-child song?

I mean, so she calls, she calls men stupid, slow,

useless, useless,

incompetent.

Does she do that as well?

Probably.

I think it's assumed.

Yeah.

So I think that's, that was interesting as well.

Like, I saw some people who were like, if a man wrote a song like this about a woman, bah, bah, bah, ba, bah.

I thought it was catchy.

I've danced to it many a time.

But what do you think about that?

Like calling, is there like a double standard?

Is it okay to call men that?

I mean, I feel some, in some ways, some of that, but.

I have a follow-up question.

Are they acting stupid and slow, though?

Are they being, you know,

are they being

not?

I don't know.

Are they not showing up in the best way they can?

Like, is that not speaking from experience if that's how she feels?

And is she talking about all men or just men who've done this to her?

Yes.

Excellent question.

Good point.

Because then, because that is the thing, men then say all men.

And she also, she said it in a song before.

She said, please, please, please don't embarrass me.

Okay, so does someone embarrass her?

And so now she's going to come out here and say, you know,

stupid, slow.

I thought the song was very catchy.

When it first played, people were like, I've been listening.

When it came out, people were like, oh, oh, no, Sabrina didn't make the song of the summer.

I think it's awesome.

Like, because they were expecting another espresso.

I thought it was so catchy.

And then I finally watched a music video, which people also had an issue with.

Like, people also didn't like the music video.

I thought the music video was so fun.

It's

all the outfits, all the scenes, all the whatever.

It was, it was moving and grooving.

I thought it was really fun.

So, is it not all satire?

Is she not starting a conversation?

Is this not political commentary?

Okay, maybe.

I just think she's got some good beats.

And I mean, I think what it is, though, is like all these girls can relate to this stuff.

Going back to the AI thing.

Yep.

The girls who are like not finding, like, that's what's happening in real life is these men who are acting this sort of way.

So she's writing a song for all us girls who feel this.

Very interesting.

You know what also I think is out there that people weren't liking that I really love is Lola Young's One Thing.

Everybody wants to know you but me i only want one thing you love that song wow i love it i love it

it's a song about lola young is saying like tonight all i want from you is one thing sexual intercourse um

but you know she doesn't want your number don't care if you have another whatever it is but she that's what she wants and it's like a woman expressing herself her sexuality like in a very blatant way like you know i think

women sometimes are told, you know, you need to have a relationship, settle down.

You can't have more than so many lovers.

What about your body count?

And I like that she was just like, no, that's that's what I want right now.

I want to do this, I want to do that, and then be done with it.

And I think it's such a maybe a take that we're not used to from women.

And people were, some people were not happy about it.

I remember seeing what, I don't know, they didn't like it, where it's almost like Sabrina's doing the same thing, but it was kind of the conversation of Sabrina being a petite blonde, very classically beautiful, Lola Young being a

thicker,

extremely gorgeous, but the way that she presents herself is very like she wears different clothes, she has a different hairstyle.

Alternative.

Alternative.

There you go.

That's the word.

So I love that song.

I love that she's taking control of that, her narrative sexuality.

Thoughts?

I don't see the problem with it.

All men sing about is one night stands and bumping and grinding.

And, you know, like, so go get your rocks off, girl.

Go ahead and sing about that.

And if you don't like listening to like vulgar music or explicit music, music don't listen to it hey turn it off hey it's just not for you right that's there's other songs out there there's so many other things i think that is empowering that's a woman

saying what she wants and going and getting it and again it's art it's a form of art clearly alone it resonates with alona no loves that song no

i think it's a it's a jam and beat it's a jam and beat it's a solid beat and i think it's just like i don't know i love the confidence in it i love that she's like it's not about love, it's not about this, it's about just what she wants for one night and going to get it.

I think it's refreshing,

it's still human connection.

Yeah, I thought it was really refreshing.

No, AI boyfriend, is that the one where she's like, break the bed and then the sofa?

I want to pull you closer.

Everybody wants to know you, but I only want one thing.

She doesn't even want your anyway.

I could sing the whole song, but I think it's really great.

And I think I like that it's also somebody who, like we said, alternative singing it.

Like, it's she is gorgeous in her own way, and that's what she wants.

Is she the artist that somebody made a TikTok where her music style is quite close to Remy Wolf?

There's a couple of kind of the same vibe where someone was like, Remy, quickly, she's writing around in your purse.

Like, hurry.

She's like that same sound, right?

I like that sound, though, because I'm a big Remy Wolf fan, and I like that.

Oh, she's the same producer as Remy.

Oh, though.

So that's a huge thing.

When you have producers, sometimes you're going to have similar sounds.

Okay.

It might just be the genre.

Yeah.

I guess.

But I need Remy to also get some more attention.

Right.

She's great.

Remy.

Remy.

Stay clocked in, girl.

You know who also needs attention?

Miss Zara Larson.

Love that girl down.

She's just released some bangers.

Zara Larson?

Yeah, pretty ugly and just released.

I'm saying for

an album.

Okay.

As someone who lived in Sweden during the lush lush life,

as someone who went to school in 2014, 2015,

an icon.

Love that girl.

You do win.

You were in Sweden.

What are our thoughts on Heimer coming out with a new album?

And I just saw, I think they have like three hotties in it.

Like, that's what they get to choose.

They chose a couple hotties to be in their video.

It's all over me

music video with Will Poulter, who Olivia was, I remember, is

Poulter.

I am in your walls.

He's the guy who was in that

Maze Runners?

No, not to me.

He's not Maze Runner.

He's Meet the...

No, what is he?

Meet the.

No, no, no.

When they're going to Mexico.

You guys are getting paid for this?

You're getting $30,000?

I'm getting $1,000.

You guys are getting paid?

Yeah, you got to get paid for this guy.

But then he really, really matured and really got handsome.

He buffed up for Marvel as well.

He got in stupid shape.

He probably was already in shape, but everyone always calls it the Marvel glow-up or whatever.

It's a good-looking dude.

I never think about this, but if you could have, like, if, say, we did like a music video or something, who, if you could choose a guy, because I remember one time, like, Mindy Calling saying, like, when she was doing her show, people were like, that character would never get that guy.

She was like, I'm directing this, I'm writing this, I'm gonna choose whoever the frick I want to make out with.

Yeah.

Who would you choose as your music video boyfriend of choice?

You know it.

Just say it.

You both know it the way you look, the way you're looking.

Adriana.

We just talked about this last episode.

But if I could get the guy from Sweet Home, Alabama.

That older guy right now?

Well, I'm talking.

Put me in Sweet Home, Alabama.

That time?

Okay.

Okay.

He's looking a little different now, but I hear you.

Alona.

I enjoy Theo James.

Back to Divergent.

Oh,

that's a good idea.

I'd put him in my music video.

Mine would be, it's basic, but what, Henry Cavill?

Cavill.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But specifically from The Witcher.

No, I'm just kidding.

Any version of him.

Right, right.

I also enjoy

Tom Hardy, maybe in there.

I don't know.

I've got good ones.

I'm an Aaron Taylor Johnson.

I just watched his new, that movie that he was in, like Craven.

Not a great movie.

Oh, really?

But he looks good as hell.

All right.

That's literally why I watched it.

I don't know his name.

Adderbanks.

Livy, what's his name?

You know who I'm talking about.

Which one?

JJ?

JJ.

And then the other one.

What's his name?

The blonde evil brother.

I don't know.

Ivy liking TikTok edits.

No, guys, what is his name?

Chase Stokes?

No, not Chase Stokes.

That's the main guy.

That's John B.

Rafe?

No, Rafe is.

I don't.

Rafe is the brother, yeah.

But what's the actor's name?

What's that actor's name?

Heavy on him.

She has sent me many a TikTok edit of him.

Drew Starkey.

Drew Starkey.

And I will say the editors go crazy on clips of him, for real.

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Speaking of hotties, I'm not keeping up, but you guys are watching Love Island.

I'm watching UK.

I'm watching USA for the first time in my life.

I've been a UK girly for like five years.

Now I'm locked in.

Think about it.

We started watching before the pandemic, Dre.

We started watching, I think, 2018.

Yeah.

So more than five years.

Whoa.

So it's my first year switching to USA because last summer it had unbelievable reception.

Like they finally kind of figured out what they were doing over here in the U.S.

And last season was a hit.

And then we were so busy when USA started that I wasn't up on it.

But then I just keep hearing amazing things.

And I was like, okay, fine.

I'm going to lock in on it because I want to be able to.

watch it nightly, which we can't do with UK because they don't bring it to the streaming platforms here until a couple of days later.

So Adriana's being a purist though.

She's sticking with UK.

It's good this season.

Is it?

It's good.

I am giggling and kicking my feet.

Like so much fighting.

It is just fun.

Because like last season, I don't even think I finished last season, but like I'm loving it.

Like

I

think that even UK people are watching American Love Island though, too.

There's a British guy on it.

There's not that.

No, it's just like Molly Mae was watching American Love Island.

Get out.

Yeah, I saw a video of her doing that.

I only have watched a couple episodes with Olivia.

I've just kind of come in in the middle of the season, but I have watched the TikTok clips, like

Huda's I'm a Mommy moment.

Look, I will say that was a weird way to say that.

You need to explain that to the masses, to people listening that don't watch Love Island.

Okay.

Actually, should we explain the concept of Love Island?

Like, people know, right?

People should know.

People should know.

Good.

It's, I think, what we want to say is it still surprises people it is six nights a week it is ever five nights it's every single night of the week you are in the you're in that villa with these people you are essentially playing god you know you vote on things as it's happening just need to put that out there there's like six guys six girls everyone is coupling up with one another and then there are recoupling ceremonies where you can then couple up with someone who suits you better but then there's bombshells that come in hot people who are gonna mix things up so then it gets like seven girls like six boys and so someone's going to get dumped from the island because they're not in a couple.

And then the public starts voting for their favorite couples and they honestly get dumped.

It's a study in human relationships and how human, the human brain works, because it's a game and you want to be coupled up to get like the public's favor to make it to the end.

But also then you do start developing feelings for people and their sexual chemistry.

And it's, it's unbelievable.

And I know people scoff at dating shows.

And, you know, maybe I used to be one of those people.

I never, never, you know, I never really watched any of the Bachelor Nation or anything, like too hot to handle, nothing like that.

But Love Island back in 2018, especially UK, because it was fun listening to the accents and hearing about like just kind of the cultural differences and the way the men were friends with each other and the way that, you know, that

it's, it's a beautiful summertime party every summer.

So.

Alona, can you please explain the I'm a mommy moment from Love Island.

Okay, if y'all haven't seen this, it's one of the contestants has a daughter and she's telling one of her male friends in there that she has a daughter for the first time.

And she goes, I have a secret to tell you.

I'm a mommy.

I'm a mommy.

Mommy?

I'm a mom.

Mama Sita.

No, I'm a mommy.

A mom of what?

A dog?

I have a daughter.

Like in real life?

Yeah.

Like a daughter, like a real baby?

Yeah, like a human child.

And he's like,

mommy?

mama sita and she's like no i'm i'm a mom i'm a mommy uh-huh like a mom of what a dog okay she's trying to tell him she has a daughter she should have just said i have a daughter or i'm a mom the way she said mommy i was like i was confused as well but i think he was also a little slow to it but so it was a whole thing for her about like

you know, going into Love Island.

There was a lot of discussion on it, I guess, about her going in with having a child.

And my thought is like, honestly, she's kind of probably treating this like a job.

Like, she's going there to kind of make a better life for herself and her daughter

by becoming an influencer.

I mean, we saw what last season did.

She's kind of doing this for the long game, I imagine.

And to find love, Alona, it's a show about finding love.

Right.

With a prize reward at the end.

Yes.

I'm not far enough in, but is she also that other super viral moment right now?

The My Dream Date.

Yes, yes.

Is that her?

So she is just made for TV.

What was the the date it was just like sitting down like on the beach

my dream date

cute and he knows that I love quoting that oh my dream date alone and I went ate pizza the other night and I posted about it and Aldrana goes my dream date cute and you know that and you know that

so it's fun but that's an insane way to go about telling somebody that you're a mother but I think absolutely she should be on the show though I people thinking that oh that's weird that she's a mom I'm like hey people be having kids.

I think it is something that you need to be so honest and like quick with when you go on Love Island to be like, I am a mother, because you can make connections in there so fast.

And that is something that people need to be like incredibly aware of if they're entering in a relationship with you.

Because are they ready to have a responsibility of like this potentially going further and then having to be a parental role?

She did tell the guy, though, that she's with that she's got a daughter.

When did she say that?

I'm not talking about her.

Who are you talking about?

Me in general, because there's some Love Islanders who in the past haven't until like several days in.

And I'm like, really?

You've been through a recoupling and now you're just saying this?

Other islanders have had kids?

Yeah.

Well, in other countries and stuff.

Oh, like Australia and stuff like that, which I hear is also an amazing franchise.

She did tell the boy that she was coupled up with at that point, but a couple days in, she just wanted to make sure that it was like for real and that he wasn't love bombing her or whatnot, which I do see.

It's a strong open to be like, I am a mom, but then it's like, are you starting things under false pretenses?

You know, or is you know, what do you think?

I think she's still a person looking for love.

Like, is it fully defined by being a mother?

I think, I mean, I don't know.

I'm not, I don't have kids, but I do think, like, she did, she did disclose it, but I think, I don't know, it's only right for you to find that time to tell them and also engage the person.

Absolutely.

One thing I did, there is a new girl who just came on.

And again, I'm not really watching it, but I see it all on TikTok.

I feel like I'm watching it.

She's this 21-year-old.

She came in with a lot of like work done, a lot of fillover time.

And people are absolutely like being the biggest bullies on TikTok cover, like running just everything.

They are really being so, so vile.

And I mean, I'm, I'm, she's going in there not knowing the whole U.S.

whole world is like TikTok is blowing up being negative towards her.

Oh my gosh.

I feel for her when she comes out.

Yeah, that's horrific because it's like,

you know, no matter what somebody looks like, like they, no matter what they've had done, they did it for a reason.

And that reason was maybe they didn't like the way they look, which is a very sad place to be in, or they just wanted to, which is totally fine as well.

But to,

yeah, I think the scariest part is that it's all happening without her knowing the commentary that is being made about the way a woman looks, right?

Like.

The men are fine,

but people don't talk about their looks as much.

You know what I mean?

I talk, those guys are haughties.

Some of them are haughties.

I will say, from what I have seen, she is 21.

She has had

a lot of work done.

So that's why people are talking, you think, a lot, is that she's so young.

She's so young and she's so different.

And I think it is like, it just sucks because you can't imagine what pressure she probably felt in her real world to feel like she needed to change so much.

Yeah.

Like that, I think, is what's so tough about that, is that she felt, even though she's a gorgeous girl beforehand, what pressure she was feeling to have to change, you know?

Or she wasn't and she just wanted to, but it's like, ah, because knowing that, like, she did make those decisions for herself, but people are going to comment on it anyway.

Love Island has been putting out warnings or just not warnings, but just reminders to

be careful of what you're posting online.

Islanders are real people and they're going to get out of the villa and see it.

And

great time to remind people again, don't bully people.

Yeah.

Right, right.

Don't be careful what you say.

Like, they're going to come out and see this.

And

Love Island has a history of people committing suicide.

And it is because so much of the online bullying.

It's like, just don't comment on the way people look.

How about that?

Period.

Unless you're telling them they look good.

But even then, like,

you know, and you see the thing about like, even like children, when you're raising like daughters, like, don't tell them, oh, you're so pretty.

Oh, you're so.

It's like, tell them they're smart.

Tell them they're so brave.

Tell them they're whatever.

Like, I hear you, but I think that's also hard.

What?

To just be like saying all that.

Because beauty is something we notice first.

True.

We notice how somebody looks first.

Before you're, somebody's walking to you, what are you noticing?

Their face, everything like that.

So I think that that is something, but in our deep minds, we are looking at them, seeing them,

you know, being perceived online.

Recently, I just posted a video about a tweet that somebody,

it was a tweet of people online.

20 million people were debating whether or not I was overweight, my body.

Like, that's what people like see.

You know, they're going to constantly be talking about body, bodies, how you look.

It's like figuring out how to

find your own self-worth and your own like beauty within because it's never going to change.

Beauty has always been something that's been discussed for thousands of years.

And maybe I'm going wrong on this, but like, I hate that it's like, like, oh, we can't be talking about that because it is, we connect over beauty, we are attracted to beauty, it's something that's so at the forefront.

So, I don't know.

I just think there's a balance because it's, it feels unrealistic, realistic to not

comment.

And Adriana, maybe I have more to say.

I don't know.

I think you kind of nailed it.

Perhaps.

I think of like myself growing up, and like, I think we all received a variety of like physical compliments, but then also like deeper talking about our minds, stuff like that.

And I honestly think that it takes kind of both to become like, you know, confident in yourself, you know, because although you are so much more than like how you appear,

we are still human and our society puts so much pressure on that that like it is good to have confidence in that and to be told you are so beautiful.

Yeah.

As well as being like, you are so smart.

And I think our parents did a great job and the people that surround us of saying both, you know, like to both of you, even to this day, I'll be like, you look good as fuck in that.

And then later, Olivia, you'll have me read something.

And I'm like, oh, you had a great tone.

Like, you, you wrote this really well.

You know, like, or like, Alona, like, you had such a great statement in this video that you made.

Like, so it's both.

It's hand in hand.

Yeah.

I like to be told I'm pretty.

Please.

Personally, I really enjoy it.

Personally, I really love when people tell me I'm hot.

So I think that

it's a balance, right?

Because

I grew up as somebody who was never told that, who I never felt that way.

You know, I never felt too beautiful or never felt too attractive.

So I do like that.

It's like, you know, love language.

I think I do enjoy words of affirmation at times, but that I know now that's not all I have about me.

I'm smart.

I'm funny, but like, I sometimes need a little bit of that.

A little bit of that affirmation, you know, for this girl up here, for the bigger middle schooler up here.

Bullying is never okay

online.

You don't know what they're going through, how they're going to feel, and what it feels like.

Because I have been on the other side of it, and it's never good.

It never feels good to see that stuff.

So I'm thinking about all those Love Islanders who are coming out of the villa.

And also, when you're watching Love Island, remember it's kind of a distorted view as well of things.

Absolutely.

The editors are piecing things together.

You're not seeing the full story.

So be nice to all the islanders and everyone else online.

If I see one more hate comment about Ilona,

that'll keep happening, but thank you.

It's going down.

And just remember, you're strong, you're brave, and I think you're pretty.

Should we move on to some tea time?

Ladies, you're just in Cannes, France.

Is it Cannes?

Can.

Apparently, it's Cannes.

Can.

Okay.

Can.

We asked a French guy who wasn't there for Cannes, but he's French.

And we asked him.

He was there on a honeymoon with his American wife.

And he said it's Gen.

It's Gen.

So, you know, without the S, but not con,

it's can.

Right, very beautiful, beautiful place.

We got to go back.

You were there for Cannes Lions Fest, right?

Yes, so it is a massive festival.

There's literally like YouTube as a house,

Meta's house, Google, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like this coachella of like advertising and all sorts of stuff.

Americans just descend on it.

Yeah.

Famous people are everywhere.

I was there to go on some panels.

Libby came on a panel with me as well.

And with for Wave, our entertainment company that does this podcast.

Thanks, Wave.

So it was really, it was interesting to kind of be in the likes of that and to the hustle and bustle.

We were invited to so many things.

So much was happening.

And it was cool, but it was definitely a lot.

So we took some time for ourselves and we went to...

We went to a beach club.

We sat on the beach for a little bit amid various brandings and panels.

And I mean,

I don't know because I'm not fully in that world, but a lot of the panels all sounded the same to me, right?

Oh, yeah, right.

It was talking about gun to my head.

I could not tell you what a KPI is.

And I heard that term all

performance indicator?

Yeah.

Okay.

Is that it?

Oh, mom, I'm coming home for dinner.

I'm making it.

Key performance indicator.

Or like, you know, storytelling and marketing and all this stuff.

So it was cool.

I think Alona brought a lot of fun energy.

She shook it up a little bit where she could.

She was fun, you know, she's

her relatable, authentic self.

They love that term, authentic.

I even turn it up a little bit on those panels because I feel for those motherfuckers in the crowd.

They're in France, so like they're okay, but like they're there, but they're barely there.

They're sitting, they're watching these people speak for like hours and hours and hours a day.

And these guys are so like well-rehearsed

saying the most politically

things.

And I'm like, God, I don't know how they do it.

It's It's just like a corporate networking orgy.

Like, you are there to shake hands, listen, like level up.

It was cool because it's a lot of people kept thinking when we said we were going to Cannes that we're going for the film festival, which happens a couple of weeks before.

This is different, people.

This is the marketing and advertising mecca of the world.

After one of Alona's panels, I ran into a girl who was working like the media booth, and she was like, There's a guy here who says he knows you from New York.

I was like, Huh?

He was like, Yeah,

he said that he does your podcast.

And it was the guy that I looked in the eyes of and said, I'm going to grab your bush when I say this at last week's recording.

And there's nothing wrong with the bush.

There's nothing wrong with this.

I'm going to grab your bushes when I say this.

He was there.

We hugged.

We had this beautiful reunion.

We laughed about bushes together once again.

But he was in can, so you run into all kinds of people, truly.

Interesting.

Yeah, meant to be.

Who is it cool to connect with anyone, in particular, Alona?

I got to see Meg Rapino, Sue Bird.

That was really cool.

we partied in a club with them candace parker was there we there's literally so many people all around gab union who's really cool she's part of my uh company range who i'm signed with so got to meet her i got to meet john chu he was at a table with me i was at a dinner and i was like hey i'm a rugby player he's like oh yeah i know who you are i was like Thank you so much.

And so we talked a little bit about his editing process and Wicked.

There's literally like, you just kind of go to meet people and see and be seen.

A lot is happening.

But it was cool.

We did it one night clubbing.

There were sparklers everywhere.

I was spooked.

I was looking for every exit.

I even at one point, didn't I lean down to you and Rhiannon?

And I was like, if anything happens, this is the exit we're going to.

We're hopping this barrier.

So I had to plan a whole exit out.

But it was cool.

We are definitely backed in there.

But we definitely have to go back to the south of France for another time when it's like not a whole festival.

And I think I want to do that, like just go to chill, have my spritzes on the beach, not have to worry about panels and stuff.

Right.

Are you going to be able to just chill?

Are you going to go?

No, no, no, no, no.

I'll do a little run here and there.

Maybe.

We'll see.

She's taking meetings.

Yeah.

She's

businesswoman.

But I mean, the beach club culture down there is a beautiful thing.

Just, oh, people tan topless.

There are nude beaches, of course, but even on normal beaches, women just don't have their tops on.

Love that.

No tan lines.

So it's a very beautiful place and culture, and the water is gorgeous and crystal clear.

And I think that was my first time swimming in the sea there.

Yeah.

Right?

Because we didn't swim when we were in Italy.

Because you were in there in the middle of winter.

So that was very special.

Hey, John, are you okay?

Like, is the heat wave getting you?

Or what's up?

Oh, my gosh.

True, you're in New York.

I've lost a lot of water weight.

I'm actually very petite these days.

It has been crazy.

It was 100 degrees yesterday.

Today, the heat wave broke.

I walked outside and it was 80 degrees.

And I was like, oh, it's a little chilly out.

Like, it felt cold, actually.

I just like the summer.

And I will say I was smart about when I was going outside.

I did decide to go to the park yesterday for an hour.

I regretted it on that walk back.

It is tough out here.

It is something special.

But there have been some fun drinks and some AC.

So I've been having a good time.

How's New York is the city?

How's the electric grid with all those ACs cranking?

I'll tell you what.

I am worried for my electric bill.

I have two other roommates and it is, you can't sleep without an AC right now.

It's so hot.

I saw TikTok of a guy who doesn't have an AC and woke up at 2 a.m.

and yaked because of how hot he was.

But I am like, Conan is being like, set your ACs at 78 degrees.

Like only run it for these many hours.

78 degrees,

I need you to check yourself.

There's other things in the city that we can do to lower electric usage.

I don't know if my 74

is going to do that.

Right.

And I'm doing 74 to be

nice to them.

Now, with all this heat, Adriana, are you spending some time in the book nook?

In the book nook?

Are you reading any books?

I just read The Things We Water by Mariana Zapata, which is my girl, as we know.

Love her.

So is it a sex book?

No, it's a werewolf book.

Okay.

There's only one scene at the end.

That sounds like some kind of award-winning non-fiction novel.

Yeah, right.

It sounds like Brading Sweetgrass.

No, it is a werewolf book.

And it's also, have you guys ever seen Legacies, the CW-TV show spin-off from Vampire Diaries?

I've seen it on Netflix, but I've never watched it.

Okay.

Essentially, every magical creature exists in that universe, which I always find like we can pick a few.

Like, why are the garden gnomes coming out of the woods right now?

Why, like, we don't need leprechauns.

Like, it's too many magical creatures that exist in this world, which I didn't love, but I still love Mariana.

So, I read it.

And it was like fun to see her take on a werewolf.

So, why is it called the things we water?

Is that deep or something?

I don't know.

Maybe I missed that.

Maybe I missed that.

But I honestly, I finished that book and I was like, hmm.

maybe it's like the relationships that we water then grow into things.

It wasn't like a line in the book or anything.

There truly was no mention of it.

Could have been.

I read kind of fast, so sometimes I do glaze over things.

Um, okay, because this, the title feels like it could also be a plant book.

It does.

I felt people are like, what are you reading right now?

I'm like, the things we water.

Yeah.

You sounded intellectual.

Saying that with my chest.

The things we water.

that's what I'm reading.

Don't ask me.

It's werewolf.

I don't know.

Okay, so do you recommend it?

I had a good time, but I think if you're going to read Mariana Zapata, you can start with another book.

Okay.

How many stars out of five?

Don't hate.

I need her not to listen to this.

Because you love her.

I love her.

She knows you love her.

You speak freely.

Like.

Two and a half, two.

That's fair, dog.

Not everyone can be a winner.

That's okay.

Sorry.

Sorry, Alona, what have you been reading?

Okay, okay, guys.

I got a pretty solid one.

Olivia actually recommended this one to me.

It's Bride by Allie Hazelwood.

And I, nom, nom, nom, ate this shit up in I think two days.

All right, the premise here.

We got,

look, Adriana and I read very similar things.

This is also a werewolf book, in a way.

So, we got a vampire.

Girl, I'm getting there.

Hold on.

We got an arranged marriage.

All right.

One thing about me, I do love arranged marriage books where they fall in love.

For arranged marriage in life, I'm not really for it, unless, you know, that's what you would want.

Okay, we got vampire girl,

werewolf man.

But the vampires and werewolves have been at war for so long.

So this marriage is to bring them together.

She's walking down the aisle.

She gets there.

feel, I'm afraid to not give a little bit away, so I won't say much, but it was good.

Okay.

We got, we got,

I enjoyed it.

She was nearing the end of it and she goes, is there a second one?

We got a second one?

Is there a second one?

I was like, no, dog.

I'm sorry.

I've already, I think, pre-ordered the next one that is going to come out.

There's a second one that's coming.

It's from, it's the two other characters.

Oh, the best friend?

The best friend, yes.

Yeah, who?

And

if you read the end of the book, you know.

I've read it a couple of years ago.

I read this a while ago.

I read it like right when it came out.

I heard like a traditionally published werewolf book.

I'm there.

It was great.

There was one thing that I guess some people get stuck on, an anatomy difference

in the male werewolf.

Hey, Johnny, you've read this book.

Oh, I hate that shit.

I hate that shit.

I didn't mind it.

I kind of

loved it.

Not my werewolf books.

No, I loved it.

Anyway, I'd highly suggest it.

I might give it a five out of five.

Whoa.

You know what?

Okay, 4.7, 4.7, just for some leeway.

No, but I think I might read it again.

I think tomorrow.

Victory Lap.

Yeah, it was really good.

Check it out, everybody.

Allie Hazewood.

And I think I've read a couple of Alley Hazelwood books.

Which one does she do?

Does she do the Smart People books?

Love Hypothesis.

Yes, I've read Sylvia.

Kylo Wren Fanfic.

Not in Love.

It's like Kylo Wren fanfic.

That's how it started.

Oh, well, good honor.

Olivia, send us home.

What have you read?

I would love to be able to round out this conversation and say I'm reading like a deeply intellectual book.

I am reading nonfiction.

I am reading what I was doing while you were breeding by Christian Newman.

It is, I read this straight out of university.

And I loved it.

I recommended it to all my friends.

Alona read it.

Adrana, you read it as well, right?

And so I wanted to pick it up a couple of years later now, being 30, being in a totally different part of my life.

And basically in this book, she is a TV writer.

She wrote for, you know, that 70s show, How I Met Your Mother.

And basically her life was several months of being in a writer's room and writing TV and then several months off.

And in those off times, she traveled the world.

She had all kinds of experiences.

She went all over the place, many of which revolved around romantic or sexual relationships and what she learned about herself and the travels she was able to like do and the kind of life that she is led and is leading that is so different from her peers and the people that you know back in the States and followed more traditional trajectories.

And so her insights on that, I think, especially as someone who many of my friends are married, are having kids, are doing that, and I'm living very much to a different

plot from them, which I love.

I love what I'm doing.

It's kind of refreshing to read from a woman's point of view, this kind of take on travel and sex and life and love that isn't in the eat-prey love kind of way.

That, like, I remember I tried reading that book

a long time ago, and I did not like that.

I haven't watched the movie, but I did try the book, and it wasn't for me.

But this, on the other hand, is so funny.

Oh my gosh, she is funny in every sentence.

Just her whole vibe and how she writes is hilarious.

Her opening sentence is, I am not a slut in the United States of America.

And I'll leave you with that because it's one hell of a book.

I liked it as well.

I thought it was really fun.

I thought all the little anecdotes and stories are really it's one of those non-fiction books that you also just it's fun to read and you're gonna learn a little bit but it's also just like a good kind of giggling kick your feet book what are you rating it out of five i'm rating it at a five five out of five five stars i've recently bought a bunch of copies to give to my friends because i just think the people in my life should also be reading it if they haven't yet so yeah it's a good gift thank you we had some comments ask have you any of you read the bonds that tie series ajana

i gotta look up that cover

the bonds that tie i've never i've never i'll hey i'll put it on my list whoever

they'll report back still have a book report if um if any of you have a book you want us to discuss on the show comment on youtube or send us a dm at house of mar for a chance to be featured i mean i think you kind of know now what we like to read You're probably figuring that out.

So put it in the comments.

I'll listen.

We've probably read a lot of them anyway, but we're down to try new things.

So let us know.

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