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Ajana will be singing.

Okay.

Just breaks out in song.

And I will say, it's not the type of singing of somebody that like thinks they're good at singing and like wants you to hear and compliment them.

She's just insane and doesn't shut up.

And she's going to make it everybody's problem.

Welcome back to House of Mar, a wave original presented by Duncan.

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I'm one of your hosts, Alona Maher, and I was recently told I have a very nice rasp to my voice.

Oh,

who said that here?

Who's leaning into it?

I'm leaning into it.

New personality trait.

I love it.

I'm Audrey Amar, and I've been told I have the strongest American accent in the family.

Interesting.

Whatever that means.

She's also loud as heck.

She does not know her surroundings sometimes.

I just, I have a voice and I'm going to use it.

Right.

I'm going to make it everyone's problem.

And I'm Olivia Maher and I have maybe the most annoying voice.

Your voice isn't too annoying.

Your voice is pretty soothing, I would say.

Not wanting to use that sound, I guess.

Should I get into reading audiobooks for money?

Absolutely.

You already have the mic.

You'd have to have at least four different voices.

So give me, give me like, okay, best friend voice go.

Hey, guys.

I mean, well, you were at that party and he really wanted to see you.

Perfect.

Okay.

Give like male character voice hot hot love interest voice yeah this is where it's gonna get to whoa no give me a hold on give me a little more well I mean you could come over to mine later if you wanted to I have this dog and he'd love to meet you not bad not bad but could could have some you could work on it

there's some women who had like you know a lot of that male like really gravelly like but the best ones I've noticed only only do a hint of it like it's still a normal-ish female voice but there's just this essence of, like, okay, I'm in love with him, but it's a woman reading it.

Do you know what I mean?

Gosh.

Do you mess with like having two voice actors on the same audiobook?

Like, no,

no.

I will.

I will if it's if it's a his chapter versus her chapter and it's just his voice, but he's doing her, the women's voice too.

It's not like dialogue back and forth.

I don't really mess with that.

Got you.

So I don't mind it.

I'm listening to one right now that's like that.

But, and I think Olivia tried listening to this one too, but the

girl's voice is kind of like annoying.

How would you describe it?

It's like it was a bit dang yang yang.

I can't even do it, but it braces.

I'm listening to this one and there's, so there's six point of views.

And so there's six different voice actors.

And so all six voice actors have six voices for all the characters.

And so you have to memorize so many different voices for like trying to understand who's talking.

And it feels like one big math problem.

Yikes.

Well, I mean, if you're watching, you might notice that we're in a little bit of a separate setup today

because we are on the go.

We are officially on the go.

Girls on the go.

We're girls on the go.

We got places to be.

Now you're officially on the sister group call.

Now, this is what this feels like every single week.

Alona and I are in San Diego.

She has a shoot that's happening later today.

So we did this while Adriana is home in New York City.

But we had to get on here and speak the good word.

Absolutely.

This is my apartment.

However, this will look a little prettier next time I'm here for the podcast, but we're just in between.

Did you get your nails done recently, Olivia?

Because the way that you're pushing your air back.

Adriana, do you notice that?

Let's see them.

All right, so you first bring your air back like this.

Yeah, that's what she keeps doing.

I was like, I know what Olivia got her nails done.

She's doing her airs.

I actually have and I'm going on this upcoming, no, next week, actually.

They're just really long right now.

You're just so delicate.

I did shave them down a little bit because they got too long.

I just saw something about you can tell an actor, a male actor is wearing a wig for the first time in his life from the way he tries to push back his hair.

He like claws like that's how you're acting right now.

When she said that, I imagine that, but like, if I guess a good example of it is in the Hunger Games, hey, Mitch, because he's bald in real life, he's wearing a wig.

He's always like pushing his hair back weirdly or like not ever really touching it.

But that's me with my nails.

That's a good point.

That's you.

Well, we are trying to figure out how to wear these headphones.

So, like, do we go over the hair?

I have one side over the hair, one side not.

You have doubles.

I feel like a poser almost with it, like over the hair.

I try to make a gap, but

I try, I feel cool.

I feel like I'm in, like, the studio, like, I'm about to drop some like Hillary duff riffs and bars.

You know what I mean?

Like, take it off one ear and just

out of all of us.

If we were in the studio, who has the best singing voice?

On the count of three.

Everyone says who has the best singing voice, okay?

One, two, three.

For people who just heard a mumble of words there, we each said ourselves, which I knew that was going to happen.

We're not giving up that title.

We love a singing.

I will say, speaking of loud voices, Adrano, Adrana will sing.

Adriana will be singing.

Okay.

Just breaks out in song.

And then I will say, it's not the type of singing singing of somebody that like thinks they're good at singing and like wants you to hear and compliment them.

She's just insane and doesn't shut up.

Why does it sound in my heart?

And she's going to make it everybody's problem.

I was just going through my camera roll and I found a video.

And it was, I think I stole it from your phone, Olivia.

And it's Alone and I walking in Los Angeles.

And it's like 10 seconds in.

And then I just start breaking out in song on the sidewalk.

And I was like, tough watch.

Sound me nice.

Goodbye.

I have lots of clips of me just doing something and you're in the room too.

And all of a sudden it's you in the corner like,

my problem is my storage.

I'm always out of storage because I take so many singing videos and I look back at them and it's the same two songs.

And I'm like, I'm a psycho.

I don't.

It's also just like me and my apartment.

Where are these going?

Can I share that Adriana writes songs, but I have yet to hear one.

Adriana is a very talented little songwriter, but she doesn't like to show us

proper songwriting classes and courses in New York City.

Well, I did it once.

I took a 10-week course, and it was really fun.

And, like, I've never done anything like that.

And it's the first time, like, I've really made an effort to focus on songwriting.

I've showed Olivia after a few drinks some of my songs, but just the lyrics.

So

I got to get her drunk to listen to her.

Gets her drunk, and then she'll kind of be like, can I show you something?

I've been working on this one.

And sometimes it's when we're in my apartment too.

So like my guitar is there.

And she'll be like, do you mind if I

points at it?

All mysterious.

But to me, I mean,

it's sort of like writing poetry, right?

Or what do you think?

How do you see the differences?

No, I think it.

It depends on like what kind of songwriter or poet you are, but I think with

I, people write songs in different manners.

Like sometimes they'll do lyrics first and then we'll put like an actual like melody to them.

I do both as I go.

I've tried to like write just lyrics first and then I sound like a kid who's just being like, and I'm walking to the store and it's like, I can't do it.

But I actually haven't written anything in a while and I should get back into that.

Get into it, girl.

That feels like a summertime activity, which this episode sort of, I mean, I'm going to call it the official start to summer.

Can I say that?

Right.

We just have Memorial Day weekend.

It's summertime.

I know it's technically over this past weekend, Memorial Day weekend, but I'm saying this episode right now that we are the official start of summer 2025.

Do we have anything on our summer bucket list, team?

Drinking a spritz.

Hey.

Out on out on a deck, maybe.

Grills going.

First off, summer in Vermont, in Burlington, is one of the best places to be.

If you guys are trying to figure out a little trip in the summer, go to burlington we have lake champlain right there it's so beautiful we are a big as you all know we like to eat dinner all together but in the summertime we do a grill my my mom's out there grilling my dad's grilling our classic summertime meal is chicken on the grill with northwoods seasoning from penzies spices right and then my mom makes this sauce that is kind of she's kind of legendary for it yeah she's known it's called white sauce it's pretty much just a a nicer version of ranch, I would say.

And it's called white sauce because it is just the color.

It's been on the nose.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very creative.

Creative.

It has like a sauce, a spice packet from Holland that you, you know, she says you can only get there.

So she makes this sauce and like we put that on everything in the summer.

That's like, we know it's summertime when we have white sauce.

We do chicken, we do potatoes on the grill.

We'll do a vegetable on a grill.

She gets into like garlic bread on the grill, puts that on there.

Oh, put some.

Johnny, like you've been into the onions on the grill.

The grilled onions, especially the outer layers where they get so crispy, or when it's corn season

and just

because actually we boil a lot of corn.

We don't grill it often.

In the summer part, in the summer grill, yeah.

And then you got to shuck it while it's hot right off the deck there.

That is the best.

I mean, you guys are forgetting one of the most iconic meats for the white sauce, which is Italian sausages.

That's both hot and sweet.

Yeah.

Wow.

And then we also love a

like a barbecued pizza moment.

Mom will make like

mom will make these unreal, like basically just like a basic pizza dough and you shape them and then you first cook those on the barbecue real quick.

You get them all charred up so they hold shape.

Then just stiff.

So they're a bit like stiff, right?

And then you add your sauce and your cheese and your your caramelized onions and your bacon and your whatever you want on there.

You throw it back on the barbecue and then you just cut it up into small pieces and everybody can either have like a personal pie or you can split whatever you made as a family.

So good.

So good.

We, we, so at our house, we have this lovely back deck and that's where we spend a lot of time.

We, our kind of thing is like it hits like four or five.

We're like,

all right, well,

guess it's time for a little rose or a spritz.

And we'll go sit out there.

We just love nature.

We love

nature.

As long as we're drinking hand.

Well, I mean, an iconic move for us is go dip in the lake with dad, come back, drink, have a drink, sit on the deck, enjoy barbecue chitty chat with one another until the mosquitoes come out right i was gonna say that yeah the mosquitoes have been getting worse and worse the past few years so we haven't been able to sit outside as long as we'd like yeah last year they were cut carrying like a bad disease so then you had to kind of stay inside so psa if you have any standing water around in your yards in burlington vermont dump them out because i'm trying to have a good summer on my deck 100

no standing water no standing water and it's actually like quite quite a small amount actually for them to lay eggs.

Yeah.

No standing water summer.

I'm clicking

three tablespoons, dump it.

Yeah.

All your kids' little trucks in the sandbox, dump it.

That's all those little

bugs need to breed.

And we're trying to summarize.

We're trying to be outside this summer.

We're all single.

We're trying to be outside.

Yeah.

Is Burlington, Vermont, like the place to

be to find them?

Good point.

Maybe.

And if you're you're in burlington vermont listening to this you are beautiful you are yeah yeah yeah

you have so many opportunities and you're gonna look at this and i think yes there's someone out there for you right

well you guys have just been to our family uh reunion which we've done for years and years and that was always like For us, Memorial Day weekend is our family reunion where we all get together because we don't see our family very often.

We have like a very nuclear family up in Vermont.

It's us five, my mom's sister and her husband, and my mom's Oma.

And that's like the family that we do, like

Oma, mom's mom, mom's mom.

That's the family we do Thanksgiving with.

That's the family we do like Christmas with.

It's just, it's just that, that eight, that eight people.

But then we have more family kind of in the,

you know, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York.

That's where they all are.

So this Memorial Day weekend is the one time we come together and we just kind of hang out.

And Olivia kind of made it her mission to go this year.

So yeah, it's like, I mean, it's when I think about like best memories growing up, it's like being at the beach with the family.

And like we grew up on a lake, whereas this was the ocean and the ocean was just like such a mystical, cool place because like mermaids did live there.

And

I knew mermaids didn't really live in our lake.

They lived in the ocean and we would go like once a year and I loved it.

And then it was there for us through every like phase of life.

So as I got older and I was more like exploring the beach and collecting shells.

And then I got really into crabbing and catching like the crabs along the road.

I love crabbing.

I freaking love, freaking love crabbing.

And like, there's a, there's an ice cream truck and you play tennis and the family sits around in a circle and you just catch up about the year and everything that's going on.

We call it the circle of love.

Yeah.

And we all just get lawn chairs and just everyone's has a drink in hand.

There's maybe a cheese board and just like hours just sitting out there talking.

It's lovely.

It can be anywhere of two people in a circle to anybody else that joins in to like all 20 of us or whatever it is.

And there are 20 sunscreens on the table.

Right.

We are all pale.

Irish fun.

Yeah.

Cocky Irish side.

I haven't been in, I would say,

seven years now since like maybe 2017 was the last time more.

Yeah.

So 2017, I think was the last time I went.

But there was always like a, you always had a sevens tournament like that weekend.

That was your job.

That was your whole thing.

You had to.

And flying from San Diego or wherever your tournament is to all the way to the East Coast.

It's that's tough.

So I miss that.

I miss not, you know, being there to connect because I love it.

And I also was there the last time I was there, I would have been 20.

So I hadn't actually turned 21 yet.

So I hadn't gotten, you know, had those lips.

You've never had a drink.

I've never, no, I hadn't fucked it alcohol at that time.

But because as you go older, I think you have to go through like phases.

As you're young, it's like so exciting.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

We go catch crabs, we do this.

And then as you get kind of your teenage years, you're like, okay, what do I do now?

But then I think as you get to like the older, it's you're like, Well, I guess I'll just drink, you know, I'll have a beer, I'll have this.

And I've seen this progression with myself of like, I used to, I was always on the beach, like mom and dad could not find me.

But the older I get, the more I'm like, it's actually really nice just like hanging around the family and talking.

And now, like, one of our cousins always gets so mad at me because she's like, Can we go on a walk?

Can we see the beach, please?

I'm like, I'm having fun up here, but okay, I'll go on one walk with you.

I'm jealous.

I do want to go because you guys were, you recently, like, like, Ajana, you saw them at Easter.

And I think a lot of people were asking questions about me.

I don't think Alona exists anymore.

I think Alona is a figment of my imagination.

I was fighting for you.

Don't even worry.

And I was like, guys, she's just busy.

She's working.

She's playing rugby.

We'll see her in maybe five years.

Okay.

All right.

If we're lucky.

What do you miss the most, Alona?

I think I just haven't experienced it maybe as an adult now.

Like I haven't experienced it like,

you know, feeling more confident in myself, having money, like getting to do this.

And, but I haven't experienced it in this phase of my life.

And I know you're saying, and I felt that transition too, where Audrey's talking about it's like, oh, well, I was a kid and I wanted to make sandcastles, but now I want to like hang around people more and talk.

And there's that shift, and you feel like you're doing your younger self wrong, but it's like, no, that's natural to grow up and find new interests.

For me, I had to shift it to be like, okay, well, I don't want to make sandcastles all the time.

I'm not just going to be like, you know, playing around my sisters and I'm getting older.

What is it?

I'm like, oh, well, it's just a beach vacation.

I can still be an adult, but I get to like be on the beach.

I will say, because it's such a funny time.

Like, Memorial Day weekend is still early and the weather is very iffy.

You know, you're either going to get sunshine and gorgeous, like the promise of summer or you're going to get rain and a more spring vibe.

But becoming older and going, oh, I can make margaritas with my mom and then I can go read my book on the beach and like try to get a tan, how exciting.

And so it is, it's, it's finding that switch and like growing up and growing into whatever it is that you want that I, yeah, you haven't really been there for.

Whereas I was definitely flailing there for a few years and then becoming an adult going, like, oh, I just get to do what I love.

But now in a beach setting, that's so sick.

I think you kind of touched on it.

I don't know if you've talked about it before, but our family vacations were never like go to a place and relax.

Yeah.

It was we have an itinerary, we got museums to see, we got cobblestones to walk.

So that was really interesting.

And Olivia and I actually recently went to Bermuda and we shopped for SI swimsuit.

I mean, even there, thank you for saying wait.

Alone of stopping for SI swimsuits.

I shot for SI.

I was there.

Olivia went, but we went to Bermuda.

Beautiful place, first off.

Really gorgeous, extremely expensive, but really gorgeous.

Oh my gosh.

But for like one day before the shoot, we didn't have anything on the, on the docket.

And we were like, what do we do?

So we just like hung out.

We went to one beach.

We sat at the pool.

Then we went back.

We're like, we'll order another rum swizzle, I guess, which is the national drink in Bermuda.

But we were so like, we feel bad not doing something in a new place.

Like we feel itchy.

We're like, okay, well, we're not, we're not fully experiencing it.

We're not, we're not, we did not grow up just sitting by a pool, which is so cool.

And I see the value in that now, but we feel bad being in a new place.

So I guess we're also trying to unlearn that and just let ourselves not for two seconds, which I think we did a good job.

We did, but then our last day there, we were.

itching we had to go see something get into a museum we did make up for lost time lost time sitting on the beach, drinking and enjoying our day.

We went all over the island and saw everything.

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Let's get into it.

A little tea time today.

Alona, you shot with Sports Illustrated again.

Lick it!

Alona!

Work, baby.

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Yeah, I love it.

I mean, even shooting with them, when I shot with them back in August, I think after the Olympics, like it was, it's been my goal for a while to shoot for SI.

And I even did like their swim search.

I did all sorts of stuff.

So

it was so cool to get to do it again in a different sort of setting because last time was a, it was just about me.

It was shooting my cover, but this was in a more, there's a lot of models there.

We got to shoot all together.

But it was really fun.

I mean, I think it was interesting coming from England where I hadn't seen the sun in, you know, three months.

So I was pale and, you know, having a tan does make you feel better.

And then also coming from when I shot in August, that was after Olympics.

So that was, you know, post Olympics where I had an Olympic body, right?

Where I was working out and very lean going to Olympics.

And then now this was after 15.

So my body was different.

Even when I knew that I would shoot with them, I remember just like not wanting to change anything about it.

Cause I always get worried like.

looking back at the photos that if I try to change myself or lose weight for a shoot and I look back a bit at it when I'm older and be like, oh, I remember when I looked like that, but oh, I actually did it look like that.

That was just me on an occasion because I did something.

So I've never wanted to not be myself in the photo.

So I didn't, I never changed up what I was eating, what I was working out.

I just kind of do the same because I think that that's how I look at that time.

And I want to remember that.

So

it was so great though.

I got extremely tanned to the point where I was like, whoa,

oh, okay.

It's a fake tan.

Yeah.

Fake tan.

Yeah.

They do all the body makeup like the night before and day of.

They kind of bronze you up and they make you all shiny and whatnot, which, I mean, coming off of a winter in England, we were pale.

And so I think maybe there was also just that stark difference between the two, but something about a tan.

I was looking at you shooting and I was like, that's the most gorgeous body I've ever seen in my life.

Oh my God.

You get why bodybuilders do it.

Oh my God.

I was like, that is the ideal physique.

What the hell?

Like, are you guys getting this?

They are.

They're capturing absolutely every single ample.

I'm like, you guys getting this

camera is ripping.

No, absolutely.

And then that's me, too, with my little phone.

Like,

you know what, though?

I honestly almost felt like a sometimes a fraud in it, though.

How so?

Tell me why.

I don't know.

I just felt like, oh, am I...

Because I never, you know, I'm never trying to portray these beauty standards or I'm never trying to make myself, you know, smaller.

But I'm like, oh, is that what a tan is doing?

Am I, am I like, even though I didn't lose weight, is it that what it's doing, helping to make me look tinier?

Like, I've, in a way, I think I struggled with it because I felt like, even though I felt really gorgeous and I felt healthy with it, like, I just feel like, oh, am I lying to the people?

I've always tried to tell them to be themselves and to feel good about themselves.

You have to change, but am I lying?

So that was something I struggled with.

But now I'm in San Diego and I'm getting tan again.

So I'm like, oh, okay.

It's okay.

You're like, this is you look so tan already.

Yeah.

Right.

And she's been in, you know, she's been training with USA Rugby because another, I mean, this, we'll talk about this too, but another big fun thing this summer would be the rugby World Cup.

Right.

So, you know, you've been in training camp in that San Diego sun.

Yeah, you're looking tan, but you're looking good, girl.

I know.

And I, and I do love being tan.

I think that it does give you a little bit of, it's, it's healthy, but also, I also felt really good when I was pale too.

So I think maybe when I shoot with SI again, I'm going to have to make a decision.

Do I want to, you know, tan or should I leave it as is?

Because I'd be beautiful either way.

Like your natural, like, like,

probably like natural San Diego tan look.

But I mean, Ajana went with me when I shot in August and I was very tan then too.

We have this photo of both of our legs up against one another

and you wouldn't think we are sisters.

Well, because also I am the palest already out of the three of us.

And so seeing her fake tan leg versus my

really white leg was crazy.

But I do, I mean, they do it for a reason though.

It looks great in photos.

Like the way it comes through, it's, you know, it is about body and it's showing every single wonderful curve and angle on you.

So I do like that.

I like that it enhances what you already have and that you went into this, not changing a thing about yourself.

In fact, you were in,

you were coming out of a winter playing 15s in England.

Like your body was so much different from Paris, like you were saying.

So I like that you let it enhance what was already there.

And that's what shone through is that you're, you, I felt it when you were shooting.

By the way, when this girl turns it on for the camera, oh, I'm like, who is that?

who is dropping into it she drops into it it's like an alter eager nobody her all of a sudden she is the most like snatched like she wants to be on top like that is the vibe that i'm getting is like american sex hot model this is her i just so it's very crazy

like when we were in she shot uh her first one in long island was a long island yeah long island and i was like expecting you to like take a little bit to get into it no you took off your robe and all of a sudden you're just posing in a bikini and i was like,

I was like, I'm not ready for this yet.

How are you ready for it?

When she started in Bermuda, because I wasn't able to be at in her cover, at her cover shoot in New York, when she started in Bermuda, they had her in this really cool, like, like

stairway, pink stairway thing.

And I couldn't see because there's already so much crew.

She was just in this thing.

And I was like, oh man, what's going on?

I finally like fat, like, beat, like, I had to like climb around and over and around.

And I saw her and I was like, ah, because she was just, she had turned it on.

She is like, like, what's the term?

Urethral?

You know what?

I actually don't know either.

Ethereal is an ethereal.

Ethereal.

That's it.

Urethral.

She was your rethral.

So she was urethral, guys.

Like, the wind was blowing.

You know, they have the little like wind machines and stuff.

And she was like, the sun was hitting her.

And I was like, oh my, it was very cool to see.

Here's the thing, though.

You don't see the photos until they come out, right?

For my cover with SI, I didn't choose that one.

And I know, I loved it.

I was like, okay, I like that it shows every curve.

But no, no, I didn't get to choose it.

So for this one, again,

didn't get to choose it.

It was like what they, what they picked, what MJ picks.

MJ is the

editor of the magazine.

And I actually like messaged her years ago on, and it's funny, it's like the time stamp on it was 1111.

I was like, that, well, that's crazy.

Shut up.

Yeah.

So she messaged me at the Olympics, but she chooses it.

She does a good job of just choosing ones that showcase so many different size, not just like maybe the hottest one or this one, but like the strongest one or the one that's a little edgy or different.

So she chooses this one.

But as I'm going,

as I look at the shots, it all looks so good.

So I just kind of trust them.

I mean, they've been doing this for years.

I don't mind.

I think I just sometimes don't like to look at what's happening as I shoot because then I'll start to rethink too much of it and I won't, you know, be in it.

So I love it.

I mean, I get asked sometimes like, you know, oh, was it just hard for you to be in a bikini?

And I, it, I feel very confident, which has taken time for me.

I mean, I went through my, you know, full swimsuit tankini phases of not understanding my body, but now I love, I love being in, you know, bikinis and I love shooting in it.

And I think I feel probably the sexiest is when I was shooting with SI.

Like I feel very good then.

I mean, I know, but I want everyone else to know.

What's the process for what bikinis you are actually in on the shoots days?

Well, they say smaller the better, which I love.

This one was a like

animal theme shoot.

So a lot of it was like animal prints.

And we do like a shot the day before, we do go in and do a fitting and try out all the bikinis.

And I was like, she was handing me these extra small bikinis, and she's like, it'll fit.

And I was like, okay.

So I'm wearing like extra small bikinis, but I don't know.

You just feel good doing it.

Maybe it's the tan, maybe it's the weather, it's the people shooting that just make you feel so good.

But I've really gotten into, you know, posing and showing more of myself.

I just, it's never held me back, which I think you guys are getting into as well.

Olivia, you doing it a lot.

Ajana, we don't have, you're not as into it yet.

She's, she's got a couple of beach pictures.

Dre, what's that like two?

I don't know.

I think I don't have good swimsuits that I really like.

I kind of, I just have like

swimsuits that you've gotten and then don't like, and then I get, so they don't fit my body well.

And I will say, controversial, I don't really like the thong styles on myself, but I feel like so many of the cute ones these days are thong styles.

And like, I would love a little bit, a little bit more coverage,

a little bit more coverage.

But I think for me, also just like sometimes when I'm taking these more like

photos that show more of myself, immediately when I see them, I'm like, I hate them.

Take, delete these.

And then I'll come back to them in a month and I'm like, I looked good.

What was I talking about?

It just, it's just takes a little bit of time.

Yeah.

I just am so critical in the moment.

bikini and stimulus shopping is tough and i think that it would yeah you wear a lot of like my old ones or not old ones stuff that i get i maybe i just don't wear the whatever because i get a lot of stuff so you wear a lot of that but it is finding what works on your body too like that is so true i've found that like i do not like a high-waisted on my body i don't like i think for me i almost feel like looks like i'm trying to hide something and i'm not like

why are all the curvy ones like the vintage high-waisted yeah i think it's it's coming from a place that's not maybe the best yeah i mean like i think if if you've if you feel happy and confident in it and you feel beautiful absolutely do that but for me when i'm wearing it i feel like i'm trying to hide something and i it's it's almost accentuating what what i'm look like i'm trying to hide whereas i'm like hey i have organs there so that's why my stomach looks like that so i like wearing a little string bikini i like it i think it like yeah the less is more kind of thing for me.

But I also, I mean, tankinis are coming back.

I feel like they were really hot last summer.

I could see them in like little shorts.

Shorts.

Tankinis.

I thought tankinis are, was it like a higher waisted bottom, but can it be a

longer top and a smaller bottom?

Is that also considered a tankini?

That's what I think of as a tankini.

I think of it as like a one-piece, but it's cut right at the like top of the, where the bikini bottoms would be.

So it kind of flows.

So it's only like a tank top, but with bottoms.

So I haven't gotten into tankinis yet because I wore them when I was younger, and maybe a bit more chubbier.

So for me, it reminds me of the younger chubby days.

Same.

I totally agree on that.

Yeah, like the insecurity, like for me, tankinis is like insecurity.

And can I ask this?

The tankini craze, is it, is she skinny or is it a fit?

I know.

Do you know what I mean?

I think it is a lot of smaller girls who are rocking the tankinis.

It's like, oh, oh, it's cute.

Whereas

for,

I think, bigger girls, if you were to rock a tankini, be like, oh, you're trying to cover things up.

So it's almost like a battle, I guess.

But you're like, double-sided swords.

And it's kind of going back to like, yeah, you're like younger years when you liked them and they were cute and you want to wear them.

So.

Because they are cute.

Yeah.

If you, hey, ladies, if you want to wear a tankini this summer, wear that tankini.

Wear a tankini.

Wait tank because it's cute.

Wear a cute tankini, though.

Please make sure you feel good.

Yeah.

Feel good in your swimsuits.

That's key because you don't want to be at the beach feeling self-conscious.

No.

Getting that's good.

You know what?

And if you feel good in a full suit, wear a full suit.

How do we feel about full suits?

I love a full suit.

The only reason I don't wear full suits more is because I will like to tan my stomach.

Yes.

Same.

Why I like full suits?

I don't have to sunscreen as much.

Sometimes I will pick out my full suit because I'm like, I don't have someone to like get my back like that.

Right.

And I like a full suit because it actually helps my yittis sit right do you know what i mean so like there's more structure to it and there's more like pressure since it's like all the way down and whatnot that i can get my like my boobs to sit at the in the right place but i just feel about underwire bikinis oh i've had them but it just yeah it doesn't feel like essentially that's what a string does on a string bikini but i've had some it's whatever if you need it then you need it i just am not trying to wear underwire at the beach i would be topless if i could heard again the main issue is the tanning my stomach, but I do love, like, I think some full suits can be so flattering as well.

Yeah.

The way that they shape and curve.

So I'm

pro full suit too.

You wore like one or two at your at your SI shoot in Bermuda.

Well, were they full suits or was one, you know?

There was quite a few cutouts, but

it was all one piece.

One piece.

Yeah, right.

So, right.

Did it look like maybe a weed whacker got at it?

Yeah.

That's okay.

That's okay.

I think you looked fabulous.

Should we discuss the positives and negatives of having big boobs to small boobs?

Because let's do it.

Positives for small boobs.

Let's do it.

Positives for small boobs.

I mean, a lot of things can fit me.

Like a lot, like tiny bikinis can fit me.

Little things, you know, it's not much I got to hide, right?

Right.

Olivia, I give Olivia, I get a lot of swimsuits.

So I'm like, oh, I got a swimsuit, Olivia.

And she'll try it on and it's like barely covering an Areola.

It is, we, we are, we are coming out the size of the sausage casing.

Like, we are,

it is really something, like, all these cute suits that, you know, she was wearing, uh, she got to keep like a couple from the shoot.

She was like, we'll try this one on.

As she said, Areola City.

Like, oh, like, they just

don't fit.

And then it looks wrong and weird because it's just so much extra going on.

So just like, like, my boobs are like eating it.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, we're coming around like it's not giving it a big old hug positive looks great though looks cool when you can get them to sit right you know but i mean i love i've loved having big boobs like we've talked about this before i feel like i manifest to them but there are certain like cute shirts and stuff that i can't wear and like when i'm going to like rent clothing or buy clothing i need to go okay this looks so cute on that model but would that work on me on top usually the answer is no something

that has seams for for like shirts oh you're like we're not fitting in that seams for like where the boobs should stay yeah you're out of your mind you're out of your that's crazy no yeah positive for me i don't really i don't have to worry about sexualizing things

you know when you guys like put on tops and i'm like put that away there's toes around i'm like if i put on top i'm like

Yeah, yeah, there it is.

There it is.

Yeah, ma'am.

But also, like, I guess I I will say, there's not for me, I don't think there's a difference on like bra wearing or not because I hate a bra and I don't really wear bras anymore.

I will just kind of like raw dog my shirts because I like it and it fits fine.

And like, so you might get a little essence of a nipple, but I'm fine with that.

I kind of like it.

Do you guys have back problems because you're boobs?

No, I don't know if I can really be included in Olivia's category.

I feel like I'm really like right down the middle.

You're in the middle.

It's Olivia.

Olivia's in the middle.

Wait, close up on mine.

Olivia's?

me

uh olivia suffered from some back problems growing up you need to get special sports bras yeah yeah i needed to get like expensive special sports bras just to keep pitching my hardest at softball or whatever if you didn't you you're just listening my moves swaying all over the place when i just when i just fake pitched to softball there

um We've heard statistics about how, you know, many girls stop playing sports because of so many factors and reasons and self-esteem.

But a big thing, I guess, that's not really talked about is like not, no access to like proper sports bras and any kind of equipment that allows them to keep playing sports.

I was very fortunate in that like we had such an emphasis on athletics and sports in my family that my mom was like, yeah, I'll buy whatever bra I got to get you to help your, you know, sporting career.

And this is important.

And so they were these things that essentially like almost like.

like it was like it like bound me in i remember it was there was like clamps and clips and it was so thick and it sat here and i could like tighten the tops and like kind of press down just to be able to like run on the basketball

court and like pitch a softball and like still be play and be

the best athlete and play the hardest that I could.

And I'm so thankful to like mom for like absolutely putting an emphasis on that.

But that definitely, I think, took from as I got older, I'm like, this is exhausting.

Like, I want to just play as hard as I can, but these are kind of in the way.

So that was kind of a bummer.

Speaking to that, because Olivia and I went to Laos

and or Laos,

we went there a couple years ago and went to like, you know, remote parts of Lao, but there's a great program called Child Fun Rugby that brings rugby to these remote places.

But the lady who runs it was telling us, you know, a lot of girls stop playing sports because, yes, because they can't get access to sports bras.

And two, because then they get like bullied for having boobs or like they're, you know, if they don't have sports bra, they have their boobs out and they get almost bullied for it, you know, or made fun of because of having their boobs out.

So I always thought that was interesting.

is and that's i think something i would love to start is how to how to get it so that there's less things stopping girls from playing sports whether it's sports bras whether it's periods and whatnot uh it would always funny because mom would always ask me like you want you don't want me to get you the good bras do you need like the 70 bra i was like no mom no

get me the two pack from costco

i just need more compression right not support I'll be fine.

Like you just handed me one of the bras.

Like she was just packing and I was helping her and she was like, I'm not really wearing this bra.

And I was like, that's a bra?

Like, that's a sports bra.

It was the thinnest, kind of like flimsiest thing.

I was like, what do you mean you're wearing that for athletics?

What do you like?

What do you absolutely mean?

You're not like being essentially like

straitjacketed into a sports bra.

No.

I like my boobs.

I think I'm learning to love them.

I

think they're cute.

I think that there's like such an emphasis on like, you know, bigger boobs, but I also, feel like my small boobs have actually helped in my career, like being an athlete.

And yeah, because I remember, you know, you playing sports, even like softball pitching, it actually would get in the way for you.

Whereas I was like, I'm

actually okay.

Yeah, so for me, I think almost being an athlete, the small boobs have helped with that.

So, what we're trying to say, guys, is all boobs are beautiful.

All boobs are beautiful.

All boobs are beautiful.

Small boobs, big boobs, medium, asymmetrical boobs, medium boobs,

asymmetrical boobs, and also, oh, men will only love big boobs wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, yeah, wrong, right?

Okay, don't fall prey to that.

Men will love many things, they truly do.

Yeah, guys love boobs, period, period, period, and girls love boobs, period, girls love boobs, period, too.

Yeah, sorry.

So, basically, we have a summer of no standing water, no standing water.

All boobs are good boobs.

Get your tits out, get your tits out, yeah.

Free the nippinies if you want.

Tankinies pull suits if you want.

Tankies if you want.

So, I mean, I think we're really gearing up for a solid summer here.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

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This was your second year as part of the Sports Illustrated family.

Did you meet anyone that you kind of connected with at the shoot?

Or,

you know, what's next?

I had a lovely kind of model partner of the day, Ellie Thuman.

And it was so cool because also I think what SI is trying to do now is have so many different body types.

So here we had a girl who's, you know, has the classic model body type, very thin, tall, gorgeous.

Gorgeous.

And then me, who's, you know, tall, but, you know, muscular and bigger.

And so I thought it was so fun, but I never, never seeing her shoot, did it make me feel bad shooting.

Like I was never like, oh, wow, she's really.

She's really thin.

She's really rocking that.

Like, I just felt fine.

I felt good.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I got, I don't know where my confidence confidence is coming from but i felt like yeah this is i feel like i was serving and i think once you learn how to pose your body and how you learn the angles that look right on you like

we were kind of commenting with ellie thuman like she just looked great at all angles like just you know a class so beautiful at all angles

yeah she's good at what she does whereas for me i think with my body is there are some angles that maybe aren't as as flattering or whatnot but i've just learned how i want to pose that there's ways that i want to you know show myself and so that's something i think people also whenever I take pictures of my friends, you know, and I'm like, all right, pose.

And they just don't know how to pose.

It's like, almost, you got to become self-aware and really figure out how to move, which one, you know, which leg goes forward.

How did you learn?

I don't know.

I mean, you guys probably helped me more.

I don't know how we learned, but I think just practice and like exposure to it.

It's being on Instagram.

You wanted to be good about photos and whatnot on the internet and be a part of photo shoots.

So you just set your mind to it.

You're like, let's figure out what works for me and how I feel best.

And you just know it.

You hit these angles.

And I'm like, oh yeah, she gets it.

So I think what was cool about you and Ellie is like, one, two of the most wonderfully kind people.

And the two of you, the way you guys were chatting and kind of bonding all day was so great.

And then you were posing together at the end there.

And I was like, those are two models.

Like the way the two of you look, the energy you're putting out into the world, I was like, those are models.

It was so special to watch happen.

What I love is that our bodies are so different.

And that's what I'm always trying to, you know, preach is that I'm never going to look like Ellie.

I'm never going to be thin like that.

I don't have the frame like that.

You know, she's supposed to be that size.

I really think I'm supposed to be this size.

So it just doesn't coming to terms with how your body should be, I think, and naturally how it feels, I think can really help you to kind of feel good in it and feel confident.

It's not like, oh man, well, this is my body.

It's like, okay, this is my body.

This is what I got.

I just got to work with.

And so you just got to learn to work with it.

And I think I hopefully have, I mean, you still take some pictures where I'm like, delete that shit.

Never let that see the light of day.

But you aren't someone to be like, oh, I don't really like the way that this looks.

Can you change this?

Like you are just like, here I am.

I'm going to pose.

I'm going to pose.

And that's what I look like.

And I'm excited.

Just make sure my tan looks even, please.

Yeah, yeah.

No, there was, I sometimes will post pictures that I don't even think are the most like maybe

this word flattering, I don't mind using, but maybe it's not the most flattering for me.

But I also think like, that's how I looked at that time.

So I'll post it.

But, you know, I think it's just so cool to see all these different angles and pictures of myself because

our body has so many different facets and there's so many different curves and dips and divots.

So there's so much to celebrate.

I love getting to show it as many, as many ways possible because I also,

I think I'm trying to figure out, you know, for me, I am body positive a person, but I'm, I think I'm for those girls who, who are bigger, who are muscular and whatnot.

So I want them to see me out there as well.

And there's so many, there are so many other great models on set too, who, you know, also embody different body types.

and I just loved watching them work.

Funny story about it is that mom, when our cherry bomb cover came out, all together as sisters, your leg is very much so front and center, like it's a lot of leg, and your dress has a cutout here on the side.

And when I was like, revealed the cover to mom, she was like, Oh my gosh, Alona's showing quite a bit of skin.

I was like, Hey, have you forgotten that she's the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit?

She's had way more than that out.

She's like, Oh, you're so right.

Never mind.

Bunny, there's there are times where I'll post pictures.

And I posted one where I was like holding a medal and I like cover my boobs.

And I was like, I think I told mom, tell dad not to look at Instagram today or something like that.

And then mom's like, great.

Olma's going to see this and I'm going to get a call right away.

Yeah.

Our Olma doesn't like a lot of it, but

she also, if anything, she doesn't tell, she won't tell me she doesn't like it.

She'll complain to mom.

She'll tell everybody else around.

She'll tell everybody else but me.

But also, I think she understands that

she might not understand it.

Like she would never do it.

And it's so different from when she was growing up.

But I think she gets that

it's what is done now.

And she feels very confident and it's good to do.

So she might not complain to me about it.

Oma, if you're listening, I know you don't like all the pictures, but just let me do my thing, girl.

Let me do my thing.

Let me work.

Thank you for your genetics.

Love you so much.

Thank you for you.

Okay.

Yeah.

These are your genetics.

I'm showing off, Woman.

Yeah.

It is funny.

Like, I think she's also figuring out too, like, what's okay now.

I mean, I don't know.

And I think even with the podcast, she listens and she does mom.

Like, they don't need to be talking about all of that.

Oh, right.

She's going to hate the boob section.

She's going to hate the boob section.

We said Areolas way too many times.

But I mean, I think that it's cool.

And I hope she's starting to understand that, like, yeah, times have changed, but also, like, this does bring a lot of joy and I hope comfort to people who also, you know, have big areolas, like, how whatever.

Like,

she does get it.

She would never do it, but she gets, she understands a little bit why we do it.

She gets it.

She wishes that it was someone else maybe saying it, not her granddaughters.

Right.

Totally freaking possible.

Love you, Oma.

Love you, Oma.

We're going to wind down today's show with a couple rounds of Perfect 10, but a game where we imagine a perfect friend or partner with an unusual flaw.

First one is Perfect 10, but he refuses to wear sunscreen.

Committed to his vitamin D consumption, I guess.

But that's too much.

Depending on his

skin complexion,

if he's good in the sun, okay.

But even

if you always wear sunscreen, you gotta always wear sunscreen.

Fine, I hear you.

All right, melanoma waits for no one.

Literally.

Melanoma waits for no one.

I'll go with a six, I think.

Yeah, I think

that sounds about right, actually.

I like that.

Okay.

She, he's a six.

Reversing it.

But he has a pool.

If he has a pool, he must have a house.

I'll bring it up to an eight.

I like that.

I'm going to go seven.

I'm just going to go one up.

So he's maintaining it, which and a pool is a lot of money to maintain and pay insurance on.

So he got money.

So true.

The insurance on.

I might go eight.

No.

I'll go seven as well.

What if it has a water slide?

Does that bring it up at all?

Eight.

Does it

floaties that works like there's running water so you're not like

right

down the slide the whole time it's just one of those really tiny yellow ones

they're a perfect 10 but they hate your family's cooking zero zero

zero if you hate my mom's cooking there's something

genuinely seriously wrong with you yeah and i get that everyone has a preference but you're wrong i'd be concerned for you yeah i won't go zero but i think i'll go like a four okay why is why is that maybe they're not from america maybe actually our mom's food isn't their company it doesn't matter where you're from mom's food is just good

no i'm telling her you said this i'm telling her how she's gonna listen anyway i'm gonna call her that's crazy if okay so you're just gonna bring some around they're not even gonna sit at the table They don't even like it.

What are they gonna order?

Better eat it.

Order McDonald's to the house.

Maybe they're just, oh, he ate beforehand.

I'd bully him to the point where they should leave.

They're gonna the worst.

Your sisters are really mean.

Yeah.

Yeah, buddy.

Get out of here.

Yeah, get out.

We won't let him near the house.

Get out.

That's crazy.

Oh, my gosh.

Could you imagine your boyfriend was like, that wasn't that good?

I'd be like, what wasn't that good?

My job would be on the floor.

I know.

I wouldn't understand.

I'd be like, what are you talking about?

Yeah, I didn't really like your mom's meal.

Sorry.

What did you say?

You didn't like her meal?

I'd call the police, probably.

What do you mean you didn't like her meal?

Yeah,

part of her meat dish.

Yeah, well, no, no, no.

Fruit a vega.

Well, hopefully, she's not sewing that.

Hopefully, she's not serving that.

No, I'm not messing with him at all.

Because if you don't like that cooking, you won't also like the food that I eat.

Yeah.

Right.

Right.

And I will say, like, even if you have any kind of allergies or things to avoid, mom will cook around it.

She can.

She's great about it.

She can and will.

She'll make it.

Her cousin is gluten-free.

Our cousin's favorite chef.

His mom.

Yes, it's true.

Bunch of allergies.

She works around.

Bunch of allergy.

Oh, yeah.

He loves mom's food.

His sister, eggs.

Eggs.

Brutal.

But mom's a chef.

Mom.

He gets excited when he hears that mom's cooking.

I love that.

Perfect 10, but

they always instigate expensive group trips, but are never the one to organize them.

Honestly, like, that's not that bad to me, though.

That's not bad to me at all.

Because if you are, if you have the kind of power to motivate motivate people to actually come together,

use that power for good.

Like

spark plug.

Spark plug it, but make sure you pay the money and show up.

Like if you're the one instigating it.

But if somebody's supposed to organize.

Olivia's itching to organize it.

No, I'll do it for real.

Yeah.

If anything, there's somebody else who's going to want to organize it better than you.

Who probably maybe couldn't come up with the idea themselves, but once that's an idea, they're like, oh my gosh, yes.

Let's do it because X, Y, and Z.

So actually, like, I'll keep them as a 10.

That's great.

They get the people going.

They are a person for the people.

Now, they organize, they instigate said group trip, but then drop out.

I don't like flakes.

I really don't for something serious, then go for it.

But also,

yeah,

it's a tough one.

That one gets dropped a little bit because of that.

Yeah, it's situationally dependent for sure,

but

I don't know if people are depending on you and you're yummy

like a seven.

I drop it to yeah, seven, eight.

Depending, cool.

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