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Speaker 15 It's part Rocky, but with arm wrestling. And part Kramer vs.
Kramer with Stallone and Robert Loja.

Speaker 15 What could go wrong?

Speaker 15 Everything.

Speaker 15 We saw over the top, so you know what that means.

Speaker 15 Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to a very live episode of How Did This Get Made?

Speaker 15 We are here at Subculture in New York. I am joined, as always, by my two co-hosts.
Please welcome Jason Manzoukis

Speaker 15 and June Diane Rainfield.

Speaker 15 We have a very special guest tonight.

Speaker 15 You know this next person from Things That Are Very Funny. Please welcome Bobby Moynihan.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 I don't remember thinking that this movie was crazy lame. I thought when I was a kid, I was like, this movie is amazing.

Speaker 15 But literally, I would say 45 minutes is spent in the third act, like the arm wrestling portion.

Speaker 15 Like they get, like, the plot is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to get through this.

Speaker 15 Well, the first half, the first half, this movie is structured like a romantic comedy between a man and a child.

Speaker 15 With a romantic montage where they sleep in the car together and then do workouts, and then have,

Speaker 15 the kid at the end has to, like, run through the airport and get to his dad so he can be like, I love you, dad.

Speaker 15 And the dad, and they're always going like, pump it up, pump it up, pump it, up and over, up and over.

Speaker 15 Everything is like the most sexual movie we've ever, I'm like, well, he didn't even talk about the, he didn't even talk about the

Speaker 15 tackle in the middle of the highway where he grabs his front, hugs him tight. And he rips his sleeve off.

Speaker 15 Sometimes you need to aggressively hug somebody to get them to love you.

Speaker 15 But the movie is like edited in a weird way too because they clearly didn't have enough footage for the first half of the movie. So they show a scene of like Salone and the kid getting along.

Speaker 15 And then like two scenes later, he's like, hey, won't you smile it's like no we saw him in the montage he was smiling

Speaker 15 like they were like ah shit we need it's 88 minutes give us put that in there the first 15 minutes of the movie is a lot of people just judging Sylvester Stallone

Speaker 15 Like he it's the best acting ever, but he'll walk by and there's one woman who literally mouths the word. She's like, who is that? Yeah.

Speaker 15 They're so terrified that someone with suspenders has showed up in their town.

Speaker 16 They also added like all these other ADR lines as he's walking to that military school.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 16 people are like, what's this? Who's that?

Speaker 15 What's going on? What is that guy? I thought he was a colonel for a minute, and I got super confused.

Speaker 15 The colonel's ready to see you. I was like, wait, his dad's the fucking colonel? A military school which discharges

Speaker 15 his son to the father who he's never met and is like, you take him home. But we're cooperative with this.

Speaker 15 Yeah, the son has never met the dad, but how does he prove that he's the father? Just a blowing up 8x10 of their wedding picture.

Speaker 15 Not on an app, but I don't know.

Speaker 15 But Daddy's not even in it. But didn't that make you think a little bit? I have never seen it.
I watched it today for the first time.

Speaker 15 And when he showed that photo, there was a time where it was like, well, you can't fucking fake that.

Speaker 15 That's true. But by the way, the son says that

Speaker 15 you have a photo.

Speaker 16 The son says, and rightly so, can I see some ID? First of all, we'll get into the wife, I hope, in a second.

Speaker 15 And her

Speaker 16 motivation, like, why didn't she call her son and say, Dad's going to be a little bit more detailed?

Speaker 15 Why did she hide the letters? Why didn't she hide?

Speaker 15 By the way, like, I'll also go to say, like, Stallone really wants to connect with his kid, yet he's very late for this graduation. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 Like, he shows up after it's over, but yet he spends a lot of time washing the truck, armor all in the wheels, brushing his teeth, wearing suspenders. Like, you know what? Late.

Speaker 15 He's also late to the mother's funeral. This fucking asshole

Speaker 15 can't be on time for anything. I so want to get away from

Speaker 15 the truck.

Speaker 15 He wish he had pulled up in the truck for the funeral. Oh yeah.

Speaker 15 I feel like he's like, he arrives late. He either picks the kid up or throws flowers down and is like, boom, I'm out.

Speaker 15 I could give a shit right now.

Speaker 15 I got an arm wrestling competition, which is apparently the biggest sport in America.

Speaker 15 Yeah, did I miss something like in 1987? This is like, this is like saying the XFL was as big as the NFL. And it was like, this never happened.
Televised arm wrestling. Like, televised everywhere.

Speaker 15 Like, when the kid is running through the airport, it's on like eight TVs.

Speaker 15 Like, he's like, he comes out of the luggage carrier and he looks up and it's like, arm wrestling to all American championships. And it's like, drug, there's a TV.

Speaker 15 By the way, it's on screens at the airport in between like this plane is arriving at 745. I was like, why would that TV be on?

Speaker 15 Because people want to know what gates they're going to and who the fuck is winning the arm wrestling championships. I hear Butch is doing really good in the semis.

Speaker 15 I heard Grizzly's drinking oil again.

Speaker 15 I heard one of six bearded men has lost his mop.

Speaker 15 There is no shortage of bearded men who just go

Speaker 15 in this movie, like over and over

Speaker 15 and over again. And then there's one dude who is in khakis, a white polo, a fake red beard, glasses, and just fucking super jacked arms, but he just looks like a dad.

Speaker 15 Yeah, dad with jacked arms. So if you haven't seen the movie, which I highly recommend that you do,

Speaker 15 basically Stallone's a truck driver who's a part-time professional arm wrestler who's estranged from his son, but has an amazing relationship with his ex-wife. Like amazing.

Speaker 15 Like he calls her honey, and there's no animosity.

Speaker 16 And he's devastated when she dies. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Well, when even questioned, like, why did you leave my mom? He's like, I have my reasons. And we never find out what those reasons were

Speaker 15 if you think you're gonna find out you're not

Speaker 16 if you think when the kid opens the letters and is like now we're gonna get some information we don't guys i honestly i really do think that there was something deeply wrong with the mother and not obviously physically she was not no no no she was dying she was very weak

Speaker 15 something was very wrong with her she was so illness i think she probably cancer i think she might have been also i think she might have also been insane.

Speaker 16 Because there's one shot of her where she's sitting in her hospital room and she's like sitting in a very nice upholstered chair.

Speaker 15 Okay. She's very wealthy.

Speaker 16 And she's on the phone and the son's asking her questions. And she says, I'm sorry, I can't talk right now.

Speaker 15 I have to go.

Speaker 15 To where?

Speaker 15 Oh, June. The answer is to die.

Speaker 15 She had to go die. The answer is heaven.

Speaker 15 She's going to heaven. I think that she was getting cancer injected into her.

Speaker 15 She's like, I need to die. She's like, I gotta get out of this world.
My husband left me. My dad is Robert Loja.
Things are bleak. But there is a moment, too.

Speaker 15 Like, this is the flaw of the movie is that none of it makes sense.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 that's the flaw. Yeah, that is the big flaw.
None of the major. That's the flaw of every movie we watch.

Speaker 15 But there's a, in the moment in the beginning, the son is like, you know, how come you haven't talked to me? By the way, fuck this kid.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 now this

Speaker 15 is Sylvester Stallone's real son.

Speaker 15 You know what? I thought it was and I did some research. It is not.
Oh, I thought it was. I thought it was too and then I did some research.

Speaker 15 Remember that being something in Iraqi 5 is his real son. Oh, okay.
He was the voice of Sam in the Transformers. Yes, that is true.

Speaker 15 That changes everything then. Because the whole time I was like, well, that's his real son, so that makes kind of sense.
Now I'm like, then get your fucking hands off that kid.

Speaker 15 He's not the only one, though.

Speaker 15 But he leaves the kid alone all the time for people to just grab. He leaves him alone at the bar, and Bull, I think his name is Bull, walks in.

Speaker 15 And how he introduces his character is by grabbing the boy's hand, who also has the stress ball in his hand. And he just goes, where's your father?

Speaker 15 He goes.

Speaker 15 He goes, How do you know that man? How do you know that man? And he goes, he's my father. Yeah.
It's he was so gross.

Speaker 16 By the way, five minutes before they arrive at that steakhouse or whatever that was, like...

Speaker 15 Steakhouse? Not a steakhouse.

Speaker 15 No. June? June? Shitty, shitty roadside diner with mud wrestling in the back.

Speaker 15 Whatever it was.

Speaker 16 I do think, though, that Sylvester Stallone has this crazy food obsession. I know we're going to talk about demolition medicine.
Hey, let's go get a steak.

Speaker 15 But he's

Speaker 16 obsessed with food in his movies.

Speaker 15 Bad food and good food or whatever. Well, he's trying to get the word out about cholesterol on a lot of his movies.
That's what's happening.

Speaker 15 You feel like that's like his underlying thing, like you know, like John Travolta might have been trying to do with Scientology and Battlefield Earth.

Speaker 15 Here he's like, we gotta get the word out about cholesterol. That kid talks about cholesterol like seven times.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 16 But the kid says, that's my father so proudly and so

Speaker 16 he speaks about him in such a familiar way. He just met him 10 minutes ago.

Speaker 15 Hours ago. Moments ago.
Hours ago. What I would again I want to bring back to the one crux part of the beginning.
Like right when he meets his dad, he's like, you never talk to me.

Speaker 15 You never reach out. And he goes, whoa, what are you talking about?

Speaker 15 Flawless, flawless, thank you. Stallone, flawless.
It was not Stallone. I was not doing Stallone.
I was doing Robert De Niro.

Speaker 15 So,

Speaker 15 and he goes, Yeah, why haven't you reached out to me? He's like, What are you talking about? I wrote you a hundred letters. And the kid's like, Oh.

Speaker 15 And then at that point, you should be like, Oh, well, there must have been some kind of crazy miscommunication. I should be mad at you.
I believe the kid asks to stop having a conversation.

Speaker 16 Yeah, he says, I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 15 Or

Speaker 16 Stallone, one would think he would follow that up with, did you not get them?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Or unless I wondered why you never got them.

Speaker 15 300 or old things.

Speaker 15 Oh, but if you never got my letters, this all must seem insane.

Speaker 15 And then on top of it, you must be terrified right now because I am a stranger who has kidnapped you with intent to rape.

Speaker 15 I am wearing these penders.

Speaker 16 I want to have a conversation with your mother.

Speaker 15 Yes.

Speaker 15 There's a lot of weird.

Speaker 15 But by the way, just to talk about these letters, if you're watching the movie and you're at least an active participant as a viewer, you would go, oh, the bad guy in this movie is Robert Loja.

Speaker 15 I bet you Robert Loja held those letters back from him. Nope.
No.

Speaker 15 The easiest choice this movie could have made was, he had all the letters. Nope, the mom did.
Hidden in her purse.

Speaker 15 Hidden in a purse in a drawer. And then she went and died like an asshole.

Speaker 15 But yet the mom, whenever she's on the phone, she's like, oh, you guys need to connect. You need to bond.

Speaker 15 So like the mom is always like, you need to connect, but yet I was holding back this crucial part of information for you to connect, which goes into June's thing, which is she's certifiably insane.

Speaker 15 She's a crazy person. Oh, everybody's crazy in this movie.
Like, the only person who's not crazy, I feel like, is the kid.

Speaker 15 And in a lot, I mean, he's crazy, but in a lot of ways, like, when Bull comes up to that kid and is like, who is that man? Or how do you know that man? The kid should be like, I don't.

Speaker 15 Get me the fuck out of here.

Speaker 15 Shit's going down that is not cool.

Speaker 15 And then later when Stallone takes the kid into like another restaurant, takes him to the back, he takes the kid, he takes him to the back of another bar where there's a bunch of kids playing video games and he's like, hey, who wants to turn at my son?

Speaker 15 Hey, hey.

Speaker 15 How'd you like to be accused? How'd you like to do a robin on my son? Get up here on the pinball table. Yeah.
It's fucking mental. And then when the kid runs out crying, it's like, I don't like this.

Speaker 15 You humiliated me. He's like, you fucking get in there and you do this.
You do this because you're a man.

Speaker 15 You take it. You take it.

Speaker 15 And the kid at this point in the movie has shown no proloclivity to arm wrestling, being strong. It's also the only

Speaker 15 second time they arm wrestle in the movie in that scene, I believe. There's not a lot of arm wrestling in this movie.
Only the last 40 minutes, and then it's all wall-to-wall.

Speaker 15 Wall-to-wall arm wrestling.

Speaker 15 I thought I said to you earlier,

Speaker 15 it's real steel. It's like the same movie.
Except right there,

Speaker 15 real Real steel is this.

Speaker 15 I just want to

Speaker 15 show you,

Speaker 15 obviously, Stallone getting ready for arm wrestling.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 this is one of my favorite moments, how he gets psyched up for the arm wrestle here. So I'm going to crack that open here.
This is more of a video moment than it is an audio.

Speaker 15 So we'll just duck out of the way of the screen. And here we go.

Speaker 15 That's it. That's

Speaker 15 that's a scene in this movie. Super weird.
Right. Super weird.

Speaker 15 I love watching Stallone in that scene walk up to get prepared. He looks like every blood vessel is going to burst.
He's like,

Speaker 15 it's like the Hulk, but he's not turning. It's like he's just taking a really hard shit.

Speaker 15 Just shaking. And then the other guy that he's wrestling there is like just a bizarro Patrick Swayze.
Oh, that's great.

Speaker 15 He's every crazy person smashed together, I feel like. Just to put some context to this movie, Stallone was paid $12 million to star in this.

Speaker 15 What? It was done in 1987. So $12 million in 1987 is a lot of cocaine.

Speaker 15 And years later, Stallone explained that he agreed to appear in this movie, saying that the producer, Golan, kept on offering him more and more money until I finally thought, what the hell?

Speaker 15 No one's going to see this.

Speaker 15 And here we are.

Speaker 15 It came in fourth place on opening weekend. So that is pretty bad for like Stallone in his prime to come in fourth.
Do you know what beat it by any chance? I do not know what beat it. No.
Sorry.

Speaker 15 Sorry. Oh, boy.

Speaker 15 Does anybody here know?

Speaker 15 Failures.

Speaker 15 You fucking worthless sex of shit.

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Speaker 15 Stallone drives a cologne truck at one point. He is transporting cologne.

Speaker 15 Like, uh, which I just just the idea of cologne in a 16-wheeler made me laugh. Like, one type of cologne just like brute.
It was

Speaker 15 all the bad ads in this, too. Oh, yeah.
So many bad ads.

Speaker 16 I have a question about trucking because it seems like...

Speaker 15 You have a question about trucking?

Speaker 16 I do, because at the end of the movie, there's a big prize at stake at the arm wrestling tournament, which is a giant truck.

Speaker 15 How lucky?

Speaker 16 Right, but when you, this is what I'm asking, when you are a truck driver, aren't you just given the trucks of the company? Okay, okay, thank you.

Speaker 15 Thank you.

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Speaker 15 I will say that it was odd to me that the prize of the arm wrestling competition was a big rig. Because if you are not a trucker, that is not a good prize.

Speaker 15 It seems to be only a prize he would want. Yeah,

Speaker 15 I laughed out loud this morning because the way they set it up is awesome. Because he goes, and the winner will win $100,000.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 then he says, and then a trucker.

Speaker 15 It's like, what are the chances? This guy, this is this guy's.

Speaker 16 Well, so much so that when they're announcing all of the different arm wrestlers for the final, like the finals, they announce everyone, and everyone sort of turns to the camera and gives like a really scary face.

Speaker 16 And when they announce Sylvester Sallone,

Speaker 15 by the way, this is the amazing acting. He's faced away because he's staring at his truck.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 And so he's just sort of caught off the camera. And also, everybody else in that scene, exact scene, is placed within the riotous crowd and people are patting them on the back.
And he is... alone

Speaker 15 sitting not like pumped up but sitting kind of like just staring and then he goes like this

Speaker 15 He's sitting there and he's just looking, oh man, all the cologne I could transport across the country.

Speaker 15 This big rig, oh, this beautiful thing. This is, well, I think this is, wait, 80, yeah, this is like the heyday of like trucker, not the heyday, I guess, maybe, but like BJ and the Bear kind of pass.

Speaker 15 I guess it is. That's like late 70s, I guess.
I will say one of the things. There's something trumpery about that era.

Speaker 16 And I thought he looked great in his trucker costume. I will say that.

Speaker 15 I think that's what it's called, a trucker costume. I thought he looked great.
Hey, Sly, you got to get in your trucker costume and then get on set. Got it.

Speaker 15 He loves that truck. If there is any kind of eagle, if there's any kind of metal eagle, he's going to spend a couple of Hawk on it.
Hawk. His last name is.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 15 Or is it?

Speaker 15 Guys,

Speaker 15 his name changes in the movie, and I actually put together a little montage. His name changes a couple of times.

Speaker 15 It's Hawk. Sometimes it's Hawks.
Oh, it does happen. To both.
I will play you that I think is really not a good, that's bad scripty.

Speaker 15 But if there is a metal hawk in the movie, he's going to polish it for at least six minutes. Yeah.
Because it happens a couple times. So this is a little montage of hawk or hawk.
He responds to both.

Speaker 15 So listen carefully. Here we go.
And sometimes in the same scene, differently.

Speaker 15 Better than you.

Speaker 15 You hawk.

Speaker 15 Court is going to give him to his father unless Hawks can't support him. Hawks.
How the hell can he support?

Speaker 15 You Hawks? Hawks. Let's go.

Speaker 15 T you, Hawks. Hawks.

Speaker 15 The odds on Lincoln Hawks. Kelly, what are the odds on Hawks? Lincoln Hawks, 20 to 1.

Speaker 15 20 to 1, pal. Good long shot.
Come in, Hawk.

Speaker 15 Lincoln is a new champion! Champion of the world

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 he wins as Hawk. He was Hawks.
He goes back and forth. The odds are 20 to 1 on Hawks.
Yeah. But Lincoln Hawk wins.

Speaker 15 That's pretty amazing. His name changes.
How does that happen?

Speaker 15 That's lazy. That's really lazy.

Speaker 15 It's sad. He agrees to everyone.
And you would think Stallone would be like, actually, my name is Hawk. I wrote the script.
I'm co-script writer. My name is Hawk.
Because that's the name of my truck.

Speaker 15 Hawk.

Speaker 15 Not Hawks. Like, no one checked that.
Like,

Speaker 15 how checked out was he that he allowed himself to be called two different names? There was that moment where he was like, hey, like, he tried to bring it up. He's like, hey, can I tell?

Speaker 15 And they were like, we're going to got to get moving. He's like, just forget it, man.
Just forget it. 12 million?

Speaker 15 12 million? Okay, let's keep going. We were going to get together.

Speaker 16 Maybe it was as soon as he had a family and had a son. He was like, we're the Hawks.

Speaker 15 You think it's plural? I don't know. They have a weird name, like, what's the word shit about that, don't they? He's like, when you take over the business, it always

Speaker 15 Hawkins' son. Hawkinson.
But he screws it up and he's like, yeah, Hawkins' son.

Speaker 15 Like, he says something different the first time. What's son and a hawk? Right? Yeah.

Speaker 15 That won't work.

Speaker 15 By the way, this kid wants to grow up to be a truck driver. That's the thing.
That's the thing that makes promising careers.

Speaker 15 He wins the money. He wins the trucks.
Spoiler alert.

Speaker 15 And the kid is like, I want to be with you. I want to be with you.
And he's like, okay, great. And then they're going to live in a truck together?

Speaker 15 Is that what I was going to get to believe?

Speaker 15 They're going to give him the old truck and they're going to drive side by side.

Speaker 15 I was upset. Side by side? That's amazing.

Speaker 16 I was very upset to see them fall asleep like that in the truck bed.

Speaker 15 He tells them, he's like, hey, if you get tired in the middle of the night, you can fall asleep on my shoulders. And then he falls asleep on the kids.

Speaker 15 On the kids' shoulders, like all cuddled up like a fucking weirdo.

Speaker 15 Not cool. Yeah, because that's the thing is, like, Robert Loja is, um, if you want vintage Robert Loja, guys, do yourselves a favor and watch the pilot episode of Magnum P.I.

Speaker 15 It is two hours long.

Speaker 15 Robert Loja is the bad guy, and maybe 15 minutes of content that is worth it, but it's amazing. But Lojia is a bad guy, and he's incredibly rich in this.

Speaker 15 So the kid is going to inherit all this money or whatever, but he wants to like bro out with Stallone to the point where I'm like, why would you do this?

Speaker 15 Now you have the money, you don't, you can't force this child to live in a truck. You can't be like, he wants you, but you can't, guys, right? We can't let this happen.

Speaker 16 You're saying, I see that Stallone, if he really did want the best for his son, wouldn't he?

Speaker 15 Settle down.

Speaker 16 You can get the best education.

Speaker 15 He can't settle down. He's a bad man of the road.
Then leave the kid with Loja.

Speaker 15 While they are together, the kid is

Speaker 15 assaulted by bull, kidnapped by thugs. Like, the kid is.

Speaker 15 Stallone is a terrible father.

Speaker 15 You are a terrible father. I would argue that he's not even...
In the movie. He's not.

Speaker 15 In real life, he's kind of a bad dad. In real life, he's the best dad ever.
I want to say that because he's my father. I wanted to get...

Speaker 15 I feel like, June, this is something that you would catch on to. That his character as a father, sometimes it's so like...

Speaker 15 Yeah, I'm just trying to do stuff for my son. And then all of a sudden, like, driving a truck through a mansion.
Like, there's no middle ground. Like he goes from like

Speaker 15 I'm so shy I'm awkward in suspenders to I'm gonna punch a guy through a wall like there is no like like he's raised weird line of like I just want to be a good dad and then he's like no you drive the fucking truck.

Speaker 15 I don't care about other people's lives. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Well, and boy said what's that? Oh, I'm gonna train in my truck by driving a tractor trailer and using a handmade sort of rig that he built that has weights on it.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it's like he built the Nautilus machine in his truck and he's doing the

Speaker 15 Soloflex? Which is predominantly featured on a lot of arm wrestlers shirts. And Alka Seltzer is on one other guy's shirt.

Speaker 15 Alka Seltzer was really big in the arm wrestling scene. We've got to get it out there.
And then they crack open Alka Seltzer later on.

Speaker 15 I feel like that was the first time I noticed product placement like in the 80s because the guy, Grizzly, screams, I'm going to drink some oil

Speaker 15 out of a funnel. He specifically says funnel, drinks motor oil out of the funnel and then the next shot is him cracking open some Alka Celtic and being like,

Speaker 15 shouldn't have drank. Shouldn't drink that oil.
Yep. Shouldn't have drank that Valvoline.
That was a mess.

Speaker 15 They didn't even do product placement on Valvoline. It was just oil.

Speaker 16 Here's the thing about Stolon's character though. I mean you have to remember that he's been sending his son letters for his son's entire life.
And he's been getting pictures back.

Speaker 16 So he's working under the assumption, I assume that the son has gotten his letters,

Speaker 16 maybe doesn't know how to write.

Speaker 15 You would say it at a certain point because he has such a good relationship with the mom that he'd be like, hey, whatever the mom's name, hey, Catherine, like, why isn't my kid writing back to the 75 letters I've sent?

Speaker 15 Love the pics. Love the pics.
Yeah, love the pics. Thanks so much for the pics, but hey, what's up with the kid not writing?

Speaker 15 I feel like maybe you're squirreling these away in a purse at the bottom of a drawer and not showing them to you.

Speaker 16 That purse, where it was hidden, there were a couple purses in that drawer.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it was hidden. And it was hidden in the dark.
Don't all ladies have a bottom drawer, purse drawer?

Speaker 16 It was like hidden in like a makeup vanity like boudoir sort of structure. Like there's no reason a ton of purses would be in that drawer.

Speaker 15 See, I just saw that. That's really where this movie lost.
Oh, girls in their purses. Every girl's got a vanity with a drawer.

Speaker 15 Purse drawer.

Speaker 15 Where you store all the purses full of weird stuff. Yeah, see, I feel like it'd be like that.
If I went into a girl's room, I'd find like a vanity.

Speaker 15 I'd open the bottom drawer and it'd be purses full of dildos or something.

Speaker 15 You know, like that's where girls hide their stuff, right? I understand women. Oh, brother.

Speaker 15 What if Stallone

Speaker 15 and the woman were just like legitimately like just insane? Like they were, like they needed to belong in a mental institution. And Robert Lozier got in there and was like, you know what?

Speaker 15 You need to go every question about this.

Speaker 16 No, go ahead. Let me say one thing.

Speaker 16 When the first shot of her, she's very sick, sitting on that upholster chair in her hospital room, and her hair is cut in a way where it does not look like this is somebody who's suffering and has been through chemotherapy.

Speaker 16 This looks like, in sort of a manic rage, she has taken scissors and cut off all of her hair.

Speaker 15 Yes.

Speaker 15 Agree. Right? Yeah.
No, she looks crazy.

Speaker 15 She looks if she was put up to any mental institution. She would cut her hair.
She cut it. I would believe.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. No, it's terrible.
My question is this: because there is like a tiny glimmer of insight that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the story here?

Speaker 15 Where the kid at some point says to Sylvester Stallone, hey, are you still selling drugs? Yes.

Speaker 15 And I was like, okay, in my mind, there's a narrative where Stallone and the mom are just fucking druggies.

Speaker 15 They're selling drugs. They're like cocaine cowboys level maniacs.

Speaker 15 He's hauling meth across the country. Whatever, just like crazy Coke.
He's working for the cartels. We all get it.

Speaker 15 The original Walter White. Yep.
And then he like bails because of whatever. She raises the kid with Loja, the dad, and whatnot.

Speaker 15 And because of all the drug use, she's going to die because of something. What about this? What about this?

Speaker 15 There was a drug cartel and they said, we're going to kill your family. And he's like, look, that's too much for me.
Oh, I love this movie.

Speaker 15 You got to go with your dad. You got to go with your dad.
I'm going to be on the run. They'll come after me.
They won't come after you.

Speaker 15 And Loja's like, I'm going to pay off this cartel, but you can never see my daughter again. That's a good backstory.
I like that. Yeah, I like these are all better movies than what happened.

Speaker 15 Instead, he asks Sylvester Stallone, are you still selling drugs? And his reaction is kind of like, that's fine. I don't

Speaker 15 really when you say

Speaker 15 grandfather selling drugs, I think your grandfather's making that up.

Speaker 15 Well, here's a weird thing, too.

Speaker 15 Pumps away. Just keep on pumping.

Speaker 16 So the grandfather also gets the court to essentially,

Speaker 16 he gets gets Stallone to sign a document that says he will not come back to the state and that document's signed and it's pretty clear like he's not seeing his son again and that's settled then a few scenes later he shows back up in Vegas to say yet again you're not seeing your son again gives him a lot of chances

Speaker 15 but like so

Speaker 15 I already signed your paper.

Speaker 15 Like you're

Speaker 15 clear. You could have gotten out of here a week ago.
Yeah, he's like, get the hell out. I'm trying to win this truck, all right? Losha, this time Loch is also offering him a truck and $500,000.

Speaker 15 But he's already, like, Stallone, if I was Stallone, I would take it. I'm like, yeah, I already signed that contract.
I'm free and clear.

Speaker 15 Because, by the way, at the end of the movie, I wasn't like, I'm signing this contract unless I win this contest.

Speaker 15 Like, there was no caveat in it, like, oh, but if you win an arm wrestling contest, this contract's null and void. Like, that was never part of the deal.

Speaker 15 And also, when that kid escapes, there's large periods of time where no one seems to be looking for him. Like they give up.

Speaker 15 They're all up in Robert Loja's suite. And this is an era where a kid in a movie can,

Speaker 15 like, maybe

Speaker 15 12 years old, 13 years old? Like, what? He's 12. 12.
I love that somebody was like, 12. 12.
You don't know he's 12. Jason, he's 12.
Come on.

Speaker 15 He's 12 years old, and we are like, we're cool with him driving cars, stowing away on airplanes, like, or whatever. Not even stowing away.

Speaker 15 He pulls up to an airport and he's like and he's like and he's like hey you can't park that car he's like here keep it

Speaker 15 I'm fucking rich keep that

Speaker 15 and then and then like he finds the best way to hide is to act like a piece of luggage and he comes out of a luggage carousel and be like oh who packed that boy

Speaker 15 well they had to get no airport security they had to get all the luggage to the arm wrestling contest so he knew he would get there fine

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Speaker 15 By the way, during the arm wrestling contest, you know, it keeps on going down from like, you know, 500 entry people all the way down to like eight.

Speaker 15 But throughout that, they're like, and we're down to the final four. And you'll see people who are not in the final four just like,

Speaker 15 like lifting. It's like, guys, it's over.

Speaker 15 Let the dream die. You've lost.
You've clearly lost. No reason to stretch and do anything.
There's only four people in this race anymore. Like there's down to the final two, and there's a guy like,

Speaker 15 but you also have to lose two matches to be eliminated. Oh yeah, I mean, that's when this movie.

Speaker 15 Jason, Jalen. That's when this movie is.

Speaker 15 I don't think it's a favorite. It should be called the luckiest man in the world.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah. Jason, I don't know if that was clear enough

Speaker 15 that he had to lose two.

Speaker 15 So I compiled how many times they said it in the movie.

Speaker 15 Here we go.

Speaker 15 And listen up. Here we go.
And also, just please look at their faces.

Speaker 15 Here we go. And pretend like they're...
One reminder, once again, this is a double elimination competition. You have to lose twice to be out.

Speaker 15 In other words, if you lose once, you still have one more chance.

Speaker 15 Okay, let me remind you, please, this is a double elimination competition. If you lose twice, you're out.

Speaker 15 Double elimination competition.

Speaker 15 Hecker has lost his first finals match. Remember, ladies and gentlemen, please remember, this is a double elimination.
Each of these semifinalists have another chance.

Speaker 15 You have to lose twice to be out of the competition.

Speaker 15 This is a double elimination turn. Any competitor who loses twice out of the eight who are on these four tips.

Speaker 15 So there's two more that were just underscoring it. I didn't think you could hear it.
It's clear. So that's like eight times.
And

Speaker 15 even the announcer is like, just so I'm clear with you guys I feel like it's ADR lines because people are like well audio guys are telling us that they're confused because we've seen all of these characters lose already so we're gonna ADR the double elimination thing in constantly just to make sense of this the all it seems to me that the only rule is it's a double elimination

Speaker 15 otherwise headbutting appears to be allowed drinking of motor oil is allowed these are

Speaker 16 it seems like that well they also weigh him when he first arrives so I thought well, there's going to be some sort of weight class. Like you can only arm wrestle.
Nope.

Speaker 15 No.

Speaker 15 No. And they even say

Speaker 15 if it goes against Bull, Bull's got 100 pounds on him. And I was like, oh, then he's going to die.

Speaker 15 If Bull has 100 pounds on Stallone, Bull is going to maim and or murder him.

Speaker 15 I believe Bull.

Speaker 16 And the thing about, like, when he does lose, he has that one move. That one arm move.

Speaker 15 It must be cheating, right?

Speaker 15 The hand grows.

Speaker 15 Do you notice that the final slow motion shot of him going over the

Speaker 15 move?

Speaker 15 He literally goes like fans it out.

Speaker 15 So he's doing it in slow motion, and then they also put it in slow motion.

Speaker 15 So it's super slow, and he gets his fingers on top. Neck shot, fingers are on the side.

Speaker 15 His fingers are never on top for that entire picture. By the way, they don't explain why that, like, you would think like when this kid loses in arm wrestling, he's like, hey, you can't lose.

Speaker 15 Let me give you my trick. Yeah.
And explain how he wins in arm wrestling. Nope.
No,

Speaker 15 the kid does it. The kid does it and just knows to do it because he seems to do it.

Speaker 16 Well, not only that, but it's also like I was waiting for this metaphor of going over the top with arm wrestling to, and like really going for it and turning your hat around to like really to connect to this relationship between the father and son.

Speaker 16 Like there must be something.

Speaker 15 The movie should be called Meet You Halfway.

Speaker 15 But by the way, they didn't really meet each other halfway. This movie should have been called Pull Your Pants Down, Kid, I'm Your Dad.

Speaker 15 Pull Your Pants Down, Kid. I'm gonna suck it.
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Speaker 15 The best way, did you happen to pull the kid

Speaker 15 arm wrestling the other kid? You know, it was so long that he didn't know what the best scene was. Because the best part of it is: okay, my two favorite actors are in that scene, the two cronies.

Speaker 15 Oh, they're

Speaker 15 amazing. They're amazing.
There's one guy who's like, hey, man, you got to get it on. You got it.
Come on, man, come on. And then the other guy has like a comeback.
He's like, you really got him.

Speaker 15 He's like, yeah, you got him.

Speaker 15 The other guy keeps being like sucks. You wimp, you're a wimp.
Remember when like being called a wimp was awful?

Speaker 15 It's still pretty awful.

Speaker 15 Look at that's her haircut. That was your haircut.

Speaker 15 It's a little shaggy. For those of you listening, her haircut is shaggy.

Speaker 15 Well, I'll pull up that kid arm wrestling scene. Oh, that's the training scene.

Speaker 15 Oh my god, I love this movie.

Speaker 15 There are so many clips to pull. Oh, here we go.
Here we go. All right, so here,

Speaker 15 we're going to play this scene.

Speaker 15 All right, here we go.

Speaker 16 He's a practical joker, sorry.

Speaker 15 He's just a shy kid. As a matter of fact, I'm so sure I'm willing to put money on him.

Speaker 15 Chin, if I couldn't beat you, I'd kill myself.

Speaker 15 This is getting too intense.

Speaker 15 You know, you don't have a chance against this kid. You know this.
Yes, he does. Ten to one odds.
You're one against my attempt, fair enough. All right, let's go.
Ten to one odds. Right here.

Speaker 15 All right, two out of three times.

Speaker 15 You should take that off. That's not nice.

Speaker 15 He's a whimp. You'll take him, easy.

Speaker 15 Don't take clothing off of someone else's tie.

Speaker 15 Look at this. Look at this.

Speaker 15 Ready, whip.

Speaker 15 He feels like a girl. Maybe he is a girl.

Speaker 15 Listen to me. You gotta listen to me.
Look at him. They're grabbing him.
Look at how tender this is.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Yeah, you tough.

Speaker 15 This is illegal what he's doing. What is happening? Come on, My face is on.
Look at this deal with someone, boy.

Speaker 15 Come on, man.

Speaker 15 Stop. Come on, take a start.
Stay away.

Speaker 15 Can you go to the next one? Yeah,

Speaker 15 I'm going to go and have passports. Okay, I want you to watch this next one as if it's a sex scene.

Speaker 15 Okay?

Speaker 15 I just want to put that in your heads, okay? As if Stallone is watching a sex scene.

Speaker 15 Okay, by the way, the face is the armresting face. You said he was straw.

Speaker 15 My boy was just feeling generous. Now it's time to go to work, am I?

Speaker 15 He's a pimp. He's a pimp.

Speaker 15 It's time to go to work.

Speaker 15 This kid will think he can take me. I don't think so.

Speaker 15 The table is time. Smash him, Richie.
This is gonna hurt, Wimp. What did you think of that?

Speaker 16 I think your breath stinks.

Speaker 15 Come on.

Speaker 15 Come on, Mike.

Speaker 15 Come on.

Speaker 15 Let's go, Mike. Come on, Mike.

Speaker 15 Come on. Hold on, drop the weight.

Speaker 15 Pookie kill. Poopy kill.
You got him, Mike. You got him.
You got him. You got him.
You got him.

Speaker 15 One more. You got him.
You got him. You got him.
You got him.

Speaker 15 All right, where you go.

Speaker 15 Let's go, Mike. Right away.
Let's go. Let's ride away.
Right away.

Speaker 15 Get mine. Get mad.
Get mad. Ready? Pump it.

Speaker 15 Come on, Mike. Let's get ourselves popular.

Speaker 15 Come on, Mike. Over the top.

Speaker 15 Pump it. The power, Mike.
The power, Mike.

Speaker 15 Alright, way to go. You got a tough little sucker, aren't you? That was great.
That was good. Pay up now.
Money is twisted.

Speaker 15 Look at that.

Speaker 15 Make some pay up.

Speaker 15 Amy, come on!

Speaker 15 Please, someone, like, this, if you read, if you edited the trailer, you could make this boy's life. Like, it could be like an abusive dad relationship.
You could really cut a good trailer.

Speaker 15 Oh, that was a good idea. Pump it kid, pump it, pump it, kid.
Pump it, kid. No.

Speaker 15 Don't shout pump it, kid, to your son. When I was a kid,

Speaker 15 when I was a kid, this is a true story.

Speaker 15 When I was a kid, I was hanging out with three of my buddies in front of a photo mat. And

Speaker 15 oh shit, I'm fucking

Speaker 15 and his pulls up with his dad and was like, you were making fun of my son. He's going to kick the shit out of you.
And his dad sat there while we all tried to fight his son.

Speaker 15 And at one point, his son was losing and he kicked my friend Eric. And like, I remember then being like, that's not right.
That's not right. Like, I was shocked.
That is not right.

Speaker 15 Just for legal purposes, that allegedly happened yeah exactly let's just also say that Eric was probably wearing an illegal glove you know so he admits you could kick a kid if he's wearing the wrong fighting gear but it's you don't you don't go you don't touch kids anymore

Speaker 15 you also don't ask them to fight each other yeah but imagine like imagine pitching this now like yeah so then there's a scene where they go into the diner and and he you know stallone sees a bunch of kids he's like yeah fight these kids no one would ever go like wait wait wait what happens in this movie those menacing badass kids one guy

Speaker 15 does not have a forehead He looks like like the dude from Christmas Story. He's got the hair.

Speaker 15 Yeah, but he says I should kill this guy right he goes I don't know man That's his one contribution as a crony. By the way, it's arm wrestling.

Speaker 15 He doesn't have any personal interest in this kid about all of those. Oh, kill him.
Like, why?

Speaker 15 Well, because we were just playing Super Mario Brothers a second ago. Not even Super Mario Brothers, just Mario Brothers.
Mario Brothers.

Speaker 15 And the thing is, like everybody, it's as if this movie exists in a world in which everybody cannot wait to arm wrestle.

Speaker 15 A world in which everybody, are you okay, ma'am? Are you okay? She's going over. She just went like this.

Speaker 15 Which is very unsettling for me. It's when everybody is just like

Speaker 15 ready to jump off and arm wrestle. Like, that's how it's going to go.

Speaker 16 That is the feeling. Like, people are having conversations, and you can see in their eyes, like, it's only a matter of time.

Speaker 15 Did you have a moment, though, in the montage when they go towards the end of all the arm wrestlers, and then all of a sudden it cuts to like one kind of hot lady with like a headband.

Speaker 15 She's cracking her finger. I don't know why, but like, I gasped.
I was like, Yeah.

Speaker 15 I don't know why. Well, they made a big deal, too, out of that there is a ladies' bracket, but we never really see it.
No,

Speaker 15 you take a front shot.

Speaker 15 The

Speaker 15 that ends our women's final

Speaker 15 I would love I bet the director's cut has like an hour of lady female arm wrestling just topless and the one shot and if it doesn't I'm shooting it later so talk to me ladies

Speaker 15 the one shot of the guy whose arm actually pops out oh yeah like just randomly they were like hey that guy's fucking arm broke we should throw that in the movie tape it tape it but it's like this movie is so clear it was like we need a movie that has like more sweat than than Rocky and As much drama as Rambo.

Speaker 15 It's like it's got a company. And it has a competition that anybody can do because we'll ignite an arm wrestling craze across the country.
I had the over-the-top arm wrestling toy.

Speaker 15 The over-the-top toy was just like a little platform with a red and blue

Speaker 15 like elbow holder and you would just arm wrestle.

Speaker 15 Was there an arm? What? Was there an arm on it? No, no, no. You'd have to get a friend.
You'd have to have a friend.

Speaker 15 Or an adult man.

Speaker 15 Adult man not included.

Speaker 15 Well, you're talking about. Pedophile not included.

Speaker 15 I love the part. Like it gets to the finals when he's getting to the finals and go, and now we're bringing out our referees.
And there's like 15 of them.

Speaker 15 It's arm wrestling. How many be like, how many? There's more refs in this scene than there are in a Major League Baseball game.
There's like two feet of coverage. It's like, what?

Speaker 15 It touches or it doesn't. That's it.

Speaker 15 Meanwhile, when he head-butts him, that's not illegal.

Speaker 15 That's totally fine.

Speaker 16 We're leaning to this point where, you know, they meet each other halfway, and he shows up at the rest of the day.

Speaker 15 We're really pushing this as an alternate title.

Speaker 16 Mike shows up, the young son. And what's so weird about it is it feels like he really wanted to know for sure that the dad sent those letters, that Sylvester Solon sent those letters.

Speaker 16 But through the rest of the movie before that, he never seems to doubt it or even mention, like, I don't think you did, dad.

Speaker 16 And then the climax of the movie is him finding the letters and then getting to Vegas.

Speaker 15 But he read the Read's letters.

Speaker 15 But basically, it's like, oh, you did write letters. Now I love you.
You're the best.

Speaker 15 The 10 years doesn't matter. Or the fact that you made me miss my mom's death while broing out with me.
That's the thing.

Speaker 15 The movie is basically predicated on the fact that because father and son needed some bro down time, the kid missed the mom's life.

Speaker 15 And he's really not upset about it when he's like,

Speaker 15 the one woman tells the doctor, and the doctor's like, I'll handle this. I'm a doctor.
This is

Speaker 15 the loan takes me. His reaction is pretty shitty.
This whole thing is pretty awesome. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 15 Mr. Hawk.
Hawk. I'm sorry.
Your wife died this afternoon in the operating room. Oh, man.

Speaker 15 Oh, shoot. My wife died.

Speaker 15 Oh, now I gotta tell this kid.

Speaker 15 It's the worst cock block ever.

Speaker 15 Oh, God.

Speaker 15 This kid runs away at any sign of trouble all the time. There is so much run away from him.

Speaker 16 But his pants never fall down because he's got suspenders.

Speaker 15 I like that his dress up, but he's like, hey, look, when I'm out on the road with you, not wearing the suspenders. Pick you up from school, suspenders on.

Speaker 15 Go visit my crazy wife who's dying of cancer, suspenders go on.

Speaker 15 Those are dress suspenders.

Speaker 15 They're still married? Officially? Okay.

Speaker 15 People. I said the audience is like invested in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 They don't know. Of course, June.

Speaker 15 Of course, June. We're the audience.
We know that they're still married.

Speaker 15 Oh, my God. I also wanted to just play the quick scene of why Stallone turns the hat, obviously.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 inexplicably,

Speaker 15 at this point in the movie,

Speaker 15 there becomes documentary footage. There is like footage of what's Bo and

Speaker 15 Hawk that is like

Speaker 15 talking, they're just talking to camera in a candid like confessional moment. Mindy Kaling, bro, that's been a bit.

Speaker 15 That's why I love like Stallone is a good actor because there's one scene, like he's nervous in front of the camera. So like the first time they're like, why do you want to win? He's like, um,

Speaker 15 I don't like the truck. You know, he's like so like shy.
It's like, yeah,

Speaker 15 acting.

Speaker 15 But here he's getting a little bit more familiar with the camera. So he's a little bit less.
Here we go.

Speaker 15 Here we go. Stallone, why does he flip his hat?

Speaker 15 What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around.

Speaker 15 And it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person.
I feel who's editing. I don't know.
I feel like a

Speaker 15 truck. Like a machine.

Speaker 15 You know, that was improvised.

Speaker 15 You know, that was improvised.

Speaker 15 You can see it in his eyes. You know, that fucking eye feels like a machine.
I know I gotta say machine, but there's a fucking machine right behind me.

Speaker 15 I gotta point to that machine, because that's like me. Did you guys see what I just did?

Speaker 15 He's so proud of himself. He's so psyched that he's like that machine.
That's why he's staring at that machine. He's in love with it.
Because he is

Speaker 15 like real steel. He is a robot.
He loves the machine more than he loves anybody in this movie.

Speaker 15 I'm obsessed with the arm wrestling arm cozy. Oh, my God.
That he wears throughout the arm wrestling. So it's kind of on his elbow area.
And it is oftentimes on and off and on and off.

Speaker 15 There was absolutely no continuity and no script supervisor in this. No continuity whatsoever.

Speaker 15 But then when he says Cutler's upstairs, he wants to talk to you, he's like, hey, how long do I have before I fight? 30 minutes. He's like, okay, well, I have time.

Speaker 15 Like, they really took the time to make sure the audience knew that he's got at least 25 minutes. He's not there.
They're not sure if he has to win an arm wrestling competition.

Speaker 15 They're not going to abuse these guys. Yeah, they're going to arm wrestle.
Yeah, they're going to get tired. They're going to get a break.
A nice break.

Speaker 15 And there's a guy back there with a big back massager who'll just do it like

Speaker 15 assuming they're getting his back massaged by a guy.

Speaker 16 Yeah, there's a whole like triage area.

Speaker 15 And then the adopter's like touching his biceps. Like, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're good. You're good to go.
We haven't brought up. He's touching with your finger in the biceps.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that bicep's together. There's no tear there.
Yep, yep. No, this feels like, you know, what this feels like is it feels like a man's arm.
Okay, so you're good to go.

Speaker 15 We haven't brought up the fact that before arm wrestling matches, your trainer slaps you in the fucking face as hard as he can.

Speaker 15 Over and over. Over and over again.

Speaker 15 Everybody who is in this movie, they were like, okay, if you are a big, beefy guy with a giant beard, you're in. Greatness.

Speaker 15 One caveat. You cut the part.

Speaker 15 A fat slob is going to slap you in the face a bunch. So that's part of the movie.
Ooh, but is it going to make you want to win arm wrestling?

Speaker 15 None of these guys were training effectively because one guy eats a full cigar, a lit full cigar before the arm wrestling, which got to hurt. Like, no matter how much, like, he's like, oh,

Speaker 15 he just sucks it down and then wins. You know, he's a good artist.
And there's the guy that drinks the Valvoline. Same guy.

Speaker 15 Oh, it's the same guy. Oh, my God.
That had to happen. Grizzly? Grizzly?

Speaker 15 Are you telling me Grizzly ate a cigar and drank motor oil? Yeah, bro. That's why he ate it at Alka Seltzer.
Oh, boy. I bet that was his idea.
Hey, get me an edible cigar. What? Just.

Speaker 15 Hey, I want to do something nice to the good people at Alka Seltzer.

Speaker 15 That had to be like... That was written.
That had to be.

Speaker 15 Somebody from Alka Seltzer was like, we got it. Somebody's going to drink motor oil.
They were like, we know the guy. His name's Grizzly.
And now

Speaker 15 people try to go to Alkazelter the time, like, no, we got Bernan over the top. We're not, we're not doing this again.

Speaker 15 Just so you know, another little fact about the movie: John Wheaton, the lead singer of the rock group Asia, originally sang winner takes it all for the movie.

Speaker 15 But after performing the song, Stallone said his voice wasn't mean enough, so they switched him out with Sammy Hagar.

Speaker 15 Amazing. And Stallone joined in too.

Speaker 15 He did.

Speaker 15 Really?

Speaker 15 Yes, that is. That's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 I got this. I got this.
Asia, you're a bunch of pussies. Me and Sammy Hagar are going to take the reins of this song.

Speaker 15 I feel like there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but I feel like maybe the audience has some questions. I want to go out to the audience and see if you have some questions.

Speaker 15 Raise your hands, and I'm going to come to you and we'll see if we missed anything. You're applauding.
You don't even know the questions yet. All right.

Speaker 15 Your name, your favorite Stallone movie, and your question. Go ahead.

Speaker 15 Andre's favorite Stallone movie. It's got to be over the top.

Speaker 15 I want to know why the main guy, the main bad guy, he lost, he's been winning five years in a row. So that means the prize is $100,000 each year, maybe, and a truck each year, maybe.

Speaker 15 So you should have five trucks and at least $500,000.

Speaker 15 That is a very good point. But wait, but wait, is your question why is he still in it?

Speaker 15 Because he hasn't beat Lincoln Hawk. No,

Speaker 15 He's Lincoln Hawk.

Speaker 15 When they're announcing everybody's,

Speaker 15 where they're from, they're like, that guy, he's from the main division. And Hawk is from the amateur underground.

Speaker 15 Hawk is from the trucker division.

Speaker 15 And somehow

Speaker 15 he's an unknown, but yet this guy goes to random diners to scout.

Speaker 15 And it's like, he's definitely 20 to 1 with really low odds for

Speaker 15 the champion of the sport to be like, yeah, I got to go get this guy.

Speaker 15 Bull shows up and is like,

Speaker 15 when he holds the kid's hand in that bar and is like, let's just get this over with now. Let's not wait till Vegas.
Like, there is a point.

Speaker 15 But to that point, perhaps he doesn't want to wait till Vegas because he's like, I won this shit.

Speaker 15 I don't want to pay insurance on the business. He talks about how winning number one is his only thing in life and being number two sucks.
And there's no, but then he headbutts the loan.

Speaker 15 But then when he loses, he's like, okay. And he raises the loan.

Speaker 16 I noticed that too. He seemed to take it rather wild.

Speaker 15 Well, you know what? I have a theory on that. Their hands were tied together.
So Stallone, in his victory, had to pull up his hand. It was like a puppet.

Speaker 15 He took the initiative.

Speaker 15 He takes the initiative. He's like, all right, he's the winner.
I will say, look, after you make your first $500,000, things go away.

Speaker 15 I'm going to go over here.

Speaker 15 What's your name, your favorite part of this movie, and your question?

Speaker 16 My name is Gabby, and my favorite part of this movie is probably the music and the amazing ballads. But I just have to mention that the son's name is Mike Hawk.

Speaker 15 I would

Speaker 15 also like to

Speaker 15 point out that his name I'm going to get you with her real quick.

Speaker 15 His name also might be Mike Hawks.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 yes, your name,

Speaker 15 your favorite Stallone moment in this film, or Robert Loja moment, in your question.

Speaker 16 My name is Julia. My favorite moment is the montage where they're working out against the truck.

Speaker 15 The backlit montage.

Speaker 16 That looks like a great workout, that truck workout.

Speaker 15 It's a machine. It's a machine, okay?

Speaker 16 My question is,

Speaker 16 so in the scene that you showed earlier where he's arm wrestling, the kid, the kid says, kid, if I lost to you, I'd kill myself.

Speaker 15 And then loses to him.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 do you think that kid killed himself? Yes, I do. I do too.

Speaker 15 What would be amazing is if you found that actor and did a movie now that was about his character having been trying to kill himself for years.

Speaker 15 I also like that. It started with that scene and it just followed him home.
And all he does is try and kill himself over and over and over again. I like Groundhog Day.

Speaker 15 Your name.

Speaker 15 How would you appeal to your son if you hadn't seen him in 10 years in your question?

Speaker 15 One line that you would say to your son when you picked him up from military school. Here you go.
When his body, I would say, what's Salone said?

Speaker 15 I would say, you have to win, but then you can lose as long as you lose like a winner. All right, good.
I like it. You took it from the film.
I like it.

Speaker 15 My question is, if anyone noticed that Robert Loje's goon was also the really crazy hothead bouncer from Roadhouse with the exact same fish

Speaker 15 yep

Speaker 15 the guy that gets the guy that gets fired yeah well that's how he got there that's how it ended up he worked for another old man these are just beefy dudes who work for old men who intimidate very strong men like Robert Loja and uh who's that and the other guy Ben Gazara yep they're like oh we got to intimidate a nice really well-fit 30 year old we need goons and then his only job is to talk tough and then get his ass kicked.

Speaker 15 You know, in like one moment, where he gets. Stallone throws him through a door with so much ease.
And the door explodes. That's not the door.
Like the wood implodes into like splinters.

Speaker 15 That's not Terry Funk, right? Terry Funk's in this, but is that him? I don't know. I don't know the actor's name.
Someone says that is Terry Funk?

Speaker 15 It is Terry Funk. Hey, you're Terry Funk.

Speaker 15 What if it was Terry Funk?

Speaker 15 What if Terry Funk is like, all right.

Speaker 15 What if it was Tom? Terry Funk is here. If Terry Funk is here, that would be amazing.
If you bring Terry Funk to a live, how did this get made? You both get in free.

Speaker 15 Your name, why you think the mom didn't show the letters to her son, and your question. Here we go.

Speaker 16 Hi, my name is Leanne, and I have to go with June's theory that she's just bananas crazy.

Speaker 16 And this really isn't a question, it's just from earlier. The movie that beat this in the box office was Platoon, number one.

Speaker 15 Nice.

Speaker 15 Look at that coming well research. Did you know that or did you

Speaker 15 have a bunch of people? Who has a really good question? Put two hands up. You have a really good question.
Oh, this guy. Immediately.
Beards. Two guys with beards.
Two hands up. Let's see.

Speaker 15 Take their questions first. They're cool.
These guys are former arm wrestlers. All right.
Your name? Would you be called it if you were an arm wrestler in your question? Go. Oh, man.

Speaker 15 This is a lot of pressure for my question now. I'm Rob.

Speaker 15 My name would probably be the beard. Okay, go on.

Speaker 15 Taken. I already took it.

Speaker 15 I was always confused because they introduced Bull as having been undefeated, but it seems like, and I'm not sure, that the match, their double elimination? Yeah. Right.

Speaker 15 Okay, so doesn't Bull only lose once? I had that theory too.

Speaker 15 I think that double elimination only exists until you're in the finals.

Speaker 15 Finals, all bets are all. I bet it is single elimination.
But wouldn't Stallone have to beat him twice?

Speaker 15 That's what I thought, but I think when you're in the finals,

Speaker 16 the double elimination is only until the finals.

Speaker 15 In my mind, now, Stallone and Bull have both lost once. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 16 But now we're in the finals.

Speaker 15 No, Bull hasn't lost before the finals. Yeah.

Speaker 15 What?

Speaker 16 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 15 It doesn't matter in the finals? Says somebody very boldly, but does not know.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 It's very unexplained. Here we go.
This is your name. You also have a beard, so what would be your wrestling, your arm wrestling name and your question?

Speaker 15 My name is Peter.

Speaker 15 Presumably, my name would be something like Junkyard Muldoon or one of these sort of generic tough guy names. He's thought of this.
He's thought of this.

Speaker 15 I can't wait.

Speaker 15 Well, I had time between me and the other beard.

Speaker 15 Junkyard Muldoon. If he asks, I'm going to say Junkyard Muldoon.

Speaker 15 I'm going to say Junkyard McGill.

Speaker 15 No, man, you should say Junkyard Muldoon. I like Junkyard Muldoon.
That's pretty sweet. Also a character in platoon.
Here we go.

Speaker 15 It also looks like in that same hotel, there's some sort of trade show going on.

Speaker 15 You mean?

Speaker 15 Because when they're looking for the kids,

Speaker 15 the two henchmen are looking at an abandoned Duracell battery display. I thought about that.
I thought that Duracell is just getting into a very niche market. Yep.

Speaker 15 They're like, guys, we need to send some reps out to the Hilton. These arm wrestlers, they're driving the trucks, they're listening to their walkmans.
They need Duracells in there.

Speaker 15 That's what I thought. I thought that too, yeah.
All right, we have time for one more question. One more good question.

Speaker 15 It better be fucking good. Here we go.
Your name and your question. That's it.
I'm having to give you a middle question. Here you go.

Speaker 16 Okay, my name's Natalie, and my question is: where does Stallone get all the t-shirts that he changes in the final wrestling scene?

Speaker 15 And it culminates, and it culminates in a boatneck New York t-shirt, like a baby tee.

Speaker 15 Is it really a boat neck, or is it more of a scoop neck?

Speaker 15 He seemingly has no affiliation to New York.

Speaker 15 Jim seems really shocked by this. I am.

Speaker 15 I wish you could see the look on her face.

Speaker 16 You're right, he changes probably like seven times.

Speaker 15 He also lets his kid drive a truck.

Speaker 15 Wait, all the kids say, by the way, we didn't even talk about that scene. The kid's like, you know, you're a truck driver.
You're not even smarter than a 13-year-old. And he's like, drive the truck.

Speaker 15 What does that prove? Like, well, how does that prove

Speaker 15 intelligence? He's like, I could drive a truck on Superstar. And you know what? The kid does.

Speaker 15 It's not even in trouble for about two and a half seconds. It's not even like the kid can't do it.
And he's like, see, not so dumb after all. The kid masters it almost instantly.

Speaker 15 Yeah, and then he's like, open her up, man. Open her up.
The kid showed up and like, see, this isn't so easy, you fucking dummy.

Speaker 15 Oh, by the way, that truck is kind of magical because when the kid does get kidnapped, he jumps, you know, Stallone jumps into his fucking semi truck and immediately gets it up to speed to go in the high-speed car chase.

Speaker 15 Also, what doesn't happen? Like, wasn't he towing something at that point? I think he dropped the load. We didn't.
He did. What?

Speaker 15 You heard me. He dropped a load.

Speaker 15 Oh, him and the kid? Yeah. They dropped a load? Yeah.
Together? By the way, another bad fathering example. He slams that other car.
His kid is inside of it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 He runs a truck off the road with his son in it. And then pretty much leaves the truck behind.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 And his son, by the way, is like a mile ahead in a truck going, dad, dad. And then I believe he says he's coming.
How about the guys are like, yeah, we know he's chasing us. How about this?

Speaker 15 This is crazy. When he first picks the kid up, the scene where the kid tries to run away from him, and

Speaker 15 it's like frogger into traffic to a grown man in traffic.

Speaker 15 And the kid causes like a pile up. Like cars are like,

Speaker 15 like craziness. And they're like, get back in the truck.

Speaker 15 No, that's not his reaction. His reaction is a chest hold from behind

Speaker 15 up against a light pole while he slowly backs up towards the light pole so that he can hold his son and calm him down. Right,

Speaker 15 he go,

Speaker 15 while people are dying. 10 feet away.

Speaker 15 Obviously, we had some opinions about this movie, but there are some people

Speaker 15 who

Speaker 15 think differently. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon.
It's time for a second opinion.

Speaker 15 Okay. These are pretty great.

Speaker 15 All right. I don't even know where to...
Okay. Oh, man.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 15 Alright,

Speaker 15 I just gotta find the best way to start them because they're so long.

Speaker 15 Okay, let's try this one.

Speaker 15 I have to admit, I still cry every time I see the scene where Mike loses the arm wrestling match at the truck-stop pinball machine.

Speaker 15 I'm embarrassed to admit that I had three broken noses from reenacting the final scene of the movie with my brother John.

Speaker 15 What a scene.

Speaker 16 Wait, three broken noses? So three different times they tried to reenact that scene.

Speaker 15 This was a three-nosed boy that wrote this.

Speaker 15 Hawk was facing elimination and pulls through to beat Bull while Jason Cutler looks on and finally realizes that Hawk is a super dad. By the way, it's Michael Cutler.
Jason Cutler?

Speaker 15 It's Michael Cutler.

Speaker 15 Unless that's Robert Loche. That's Robert Loche's character.
Okay. Thank you.
I still resent John to this day for always being Bull and making me be Hawk every time. He would always trick trick me.

Speaker 15 Now he's talking about his brother. He would always trick me and tell me, but Bri, you get to be hawk.
You win the truck. If I had to do it again, I'd still be Lincoln Hawk.

Speaker 15 I recommend this movie to anyone who's an arm wrestler.

Speaker 15 Or

Speaker 15 a friend of an arm wrestler.

Speaker 15 Which is basically all of us. Yeah.
Which is basically everyone. Which is just an arm wrestler and the dude who slaps that dude in the face.

Speaker 15 Brian Sequera, five stars.

Speaker 15 Mike265 writes, I'm 22 years old now, and I was 10 when the movie came out. When it came out on video, I watched it over and over and over again.

Speaker 15 Nevertheless, the tape got worn out, and I have not had a chance to buy a new copy. But I will.

Speaker 15 You know? Hey, Mike265, it's available on Netflix. Yeah.
Also, that means he wrote this in 1999. That isn't it all possible.

Speaker 15 Well, it's also possible that when he was registering at Amazon, he was like, Mike, wait, that's taken?

Speaker 15 Mike 1.

Speaker 15 Mike 2.

Speaker 15 Weird. Mike 3.

Speaker 15 Wait, Mike 199. Oh, come on.
Wait a minute here.

Speaker 15 Mike 256. Wait, really?

Speaker 15 It gets better.

Speaker 15 He goes,

Speaker 15 I will let you know that I've also went through some of the things that Lincoln Hawk went through with his son Mike with my daughter in New York and I in California to better myself.

Speaker 15 Having trouble with the mother not letting me talk to her or my family see her, but I still send her birthday slash Christmas slash Easter presents to her anyway.

Speaker 15 Because it makes me feel closer to her and the movie. Mike.

Speaker 15 Wait.

Speaker 15 He sends her the presents because it makes him feel closer to the movie? Yes. Makes me feel closer to her and the movie? I'm gonna send her this Easter present because fuck it.

Speaker 15 I gotta feel closer to her. By the way,

Speaker 15 not the three big holidays, birthday, Christmas, and Easter. Like, birthday, Christmas, big.
Easter is kind of a weird. Yeah, I would say that.
That's a weird one.

Speaker 15 Brittany B writes, I bought this DVD for my boyfriend who arm wrestles professionally. What?

Speaker 15 Before I dated him, I didn't even know a thing existed.

Speaker 15 Anyway, I got it for him for his birthday, and he kept dropping subtle hints of wanting the movie on DVD because his VHS version had seen better days.

Speaker 15 Wait, is she dating the guy from the first response? Who wore out the shirt?

Speaker 15 Maybe people who just love this movie only own VHS machines in their trucks.

Speaker 15 It's impossible to find anywhere. Yeah, it is.
You can't. Anyway, it's really hard to find over the top.
I spent the last four days looking for it. Oh my gosh.
It's on Amazon. It's on NBS.

Speaker 15 But you can't find it in the streets. It's on Netflix.

Speaker 15 Is it on Netflix? I'm just smoking it. Netflix watch Instagram, guys.

Speaker 15 Upon receiving his gift, you would have thought I had given him the world.

Speaker 15 He bragged about this gift to all of his friends

Speaker 15 and fellow arm wrestling acquaintances.

Speaker 16 He's not ready to call those guys friends.

Speaker 15 He said,

Speaker 15 he said

Speaker 15 the quality of the DVD was excellent.

Speaker 15 The only complaint he had was there were no special features other than the original movie trailer. And for that, he beats me mercilessly.

Speaker 15 Britney B, five fucking stars. Holy shit, there's some serious emotions going on in here.
This movie brings up a lot of emotions for people.

Speaker 15 Would you guys recommend seeing this on Netflix or Amazon? 100%.

Speaker 15 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 It's pretty great. It's a lesser-known stallone.

Speaker 15 It's funny because you'll never see a movie structured this way either because it really is. The first 20 minutes is like just a father-son road pick.
And then the last 70 are just arm wrestling.

Speaker 15 And then sweating. It's also a movie they can't make anymore.
No, yeah, you could never make it. You can't make a movie where you take a kid somewhere and make him watch you wrestle men.

Speaker 15 You've tried. You've tried.
I've tried. It's impossible.

Speaker 15 I'm on a fucking truck, though.

Speaker 15 I would actually love, like, it would be like, you know, Astallone is doing the sequels to everything now. I would love to see this movie now, like, 20 years later.

Speaker 15 It is Son and Hawk or Hawk and Son, whatever they decided on. And Michael, Michael is an arm wrestling amateur.
He's like rising through the ranks.

Speaker 15 I just want the movie to be called Over the Tippy Top, real bad.

Speaker 15 Just really bad. He's got a kid too, and now the baby's gonna arm wrestle too.
He's on the baby arm wrestling thing. circle man just a little tiny baby crib and he's just fucking

Speaker 15 baby can't ever can't ever actually hold something

Speaker 15 what if he had a baby that had no fingers oh shit

Speaker 15 oh shit well he'll probably open it up

Speaker 15 probably give it up for adoption kid can't yeah he would just leave

Speaker 15 He would just leave and then somebody else in his life would die and he would show up late to their funeral. Bull is sitting in his palatial half a million dollar house.

Speaker 15 We must get hot hot sun, grandson. Yeah, it truly I hope Bull's not driving trucks anymore.

Speaker 15 There was one version because I was listening closely, but there's the truckers, there's the teamsters. Bull may have been like a lawyer for all we know.
Oh,

Speaker 15 the strongest lawyer. Yep.
I'm gonna win this case.

Speaker 15 Ripping law books the next.

Speaker 15 And representing the defendant, Bull Goldstein.

Speaker 15 Your honor, Honor?

Speaker 15 Take this band or I'll bash your fucking head into it.

Speaker 15 I'm going to own you.

Speaker 15 I'm going to rip your fucking arm off. The defense rests.

Speaker 15 What if he only does child custody cases? He only does child custody cases now.

Speaker 15 Well, guys, you have been a great audience. Thank you, Subculture New York.
Thank you, everybody that's here. Thank you to Bobby Moyan.

Speaker 15 Oh, thank you.

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