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It's part Rocky, but with arm wrestling.
And part Kramer vs.
Kramer with Stallone and Robert Loja.
What could go wrong?
Everything.
We saw over the top, so you know what that means.
Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to a very live episode of How Did This Get Made?
We are here at Subculture in New York.
I am joined, as always, by my two co-hosts.
Please welcome Jason Manzoukis
and June Diane Rainfield.
We have a very special guest tonight.
You know this next person from Things That Are Very Funny.
Please welcome Bobby Moynihan.
All right.
I don't remember thinking that this movie was crazy lame.
I thought when I was a kid, I was like, this movie is amazing.
But literally, I would say 45 minutes is spent in the third act, like the arm wrestling portion.
Like they get, like, the plot is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to get through this.
Well, the first half, the first half, this movie is structured like a romantic comedy between a man and a child.
With a romantic montage where they sleep in the car together and then do workouts, and then have,
the kid at the end has to, like, run through the airport and get to his dad so he can be like, I love you, dad.
And the dad, and they're always going like, pump it up, pump it up, pump it, up and over, up and over.
Everything is like the most sexual movie we've ever, I'm like, well, he didn't even talk about the, he didn't even talk about the
tackle in the middle of the highway where he grabs his front, hugs him tight.
And he rips his sleeve off.
Sometimes you need to aggressively hug somebody to get them to love you.
But the movie is like edited in a weird way too because they clearly didn't have enough footage for the first half of the movie.
So they show a scene of like Salone and the kid getting along.
And then like two scenes later, he's like, hey, won't you smile it's like no we saw him in the montage he was smiling
like they were like ah shit we need it's 88 minutes give us put that in there the first 15 minutes of the movie is a lot of people just judging Sylvester Stallone
Like he it's the best acting ever, but he'll walk by and there's one woman who literally mouths the word.
She's like, who is that?
Yeah.
They're so terrified that someone with suspenders has showed up in their town.
They also added like all these other ADR lines as he's walking to that military school.
Yeah,
people are like, what's this?
Who's that?
What's going on?
What is that guy?
I thought he was a colonel for a minute, and I got super confused.
The colonel's ready to see you.
I was like, wait, his dad's the fucking colonel?
A military school which discharges
his son to the father who he's never met and is like, you take him home.
But we're cooperative with this.
Yeah, the son has never met the dad, but how does he prove that he's the father?
Just a blowing up 8x10 of their wedding picture.
Not on an app, but I don't know.
But Daddy's not even in it.
But didn't that make you think a little bit?
I have never seen it.
I watched it today for the first time.
And when he showed that photo, there was a time where it was like, well, you can't fucking fake that.
That's true.
But by the way, the son says that
you have a photo.
The son says, and rightly so, can I see some ID?
First of all, we'll get into the wife, I hope, in a second.
And her
motivation, like, why didn't she call her son and say, Dad's going to be a little bit more detailed?
Why did she hide the letters?
Why didn't she hide?
By the way, like, I'll also go to say, like, Stallone really wants to connect with his kid, yet he's very late for this graduation.
Oh, yeah.
Like, he shows up after it's over, but yet he spends a lot of time washing the truck, armor all in the wheels, brushing his teeth, wearing suspenders.
Like, you know what?
Late.
He's also late to the mother's funeral.
This fucking asshole
can't be on time for anything.
I so want to get away from
the truck.
He wish he had pulled up in the truck for the funeral.
Oh yeah.
I feel like he's like, he arrives late.
He either picks the kid up or throws flowers down and is like, boom, I'm out.
I could give a shit right now.
I got an arm wrestling competition, which is apparently the biggest sport in America.
Yeah, did I miss something like in 1987?
This is like, this is like saying the XFL was as big as the NFL.
And it was like, this never happened.
Televised arm wrestling.
Like, televised everywhere.
Like, when the kid is running through the airport, it's on like eight TVs.
Like, he's like, he comes out of the luggage carrier and he looks up and it's like, arm wrestling to all American championships.
And it's like, drug, there's a TV.
By the way, it's on screens at the airport in between like this plane is arriving at 745.
I was like, why would that TV be on?
Because people want to know what gates they're going to and who the fuck is winning the arm wrestling championships.
I hear Butch is doing really good in the semis.
I heard Grizzly's drinking oil again.
I heard one of six bearded men has lost his mop.
There is no shortage of bearded men who just go
in this movie, like over and over
and over again.
And then there's one dude who is in khakis, a white polo, a fake red beard, glasses, and just fucking super jacked arms, but he just looks like a dad.
Yeah, dad with jacked arms.
So if you haven't seen the movie, which I highly recommend that you do,
basically Stallone's a truck driver who's a part-time professional arm wrestler who's estranged from his son, but has an amazing relationship with his ex-wife.
Like amazing.
Like he calls her honey, and there's no animosity.
And he's devastated when she dies.
Yeah.
Well, when even questioned, like, why did you leave my mom?
He's like, I have my reasons.
And we never find out what those reasons were
if you think you're gonna find out you're not
if you think when the kid opens the letters and is like now we're gonna get some information we don't guys i honestly i really do think that there was something deeply wrong with the mother and not obviously physically she was not no no no she was dying she was very weak
something was very wrong with her she was so illness i think she probably cancer i think she might have been also i think she might have also been insane.
Because there's one shot of her where she's sitting in her hospital room and she's like sitting in a very nice upholstered chair.
Okay.
She's very wealthy.
And she's on the phone and the son's asking her questions.
And she says, I'm sorry, I can't talk right now.
I have to go.
To where?
Oh, June.
The answer is to die.
She had to go die.
The answer is heaven.
She's going to heaven.
I think that she was getting cancer injected into her.
She's like, I need to die.
She's like, I gotta get out of this world.
My husband left me.
My dad is Robert Loja.
Things are bleak.
But there is a moment, too.
Like, this is the flaw of the movie is that none of it makes sense.
But
that's the flaw.
Yeah, that is the big flaw.
None of the major.
That's the flaw of every movie we watch.
But there's a, in the moment in the beginning, the son is like, you know, how come you haven't talked to me?
By the way, fuck this kid.
And
now this
is Sylvester Stallone's real son.
You know what?
I thought it was and I did some research.
It is not.
Oh, I thought it was.
I thought it was too and then I did some research.
Remember that being something in Iraqi 5 is his real son.
Oh, okay.
He was the voice of Sam in the Transformers.
Yes, that is true.
That changes everything then.
Because the whole time I was like, well, that's his real son, so that makes kind of sense.
Now I'm like, then get your fucking hands off that kid.
He's not the only one, though.
But he leaves the kid alone all the time for people to just grab.
He leaves him alone at the bar, and Bull, I think his name is Bull, walks in.
And how he introduces his character is by grabbing the boy's hand, who also has the stress ball in his hand.
And he just goes, where's your father?
He goes.
He goes, How do you know that man?
How do you know that man?
And he goes, he's my father.
Yeah.
It's he was so gross.
By the way, five minutes before they arrive at that steakhouse or whatever that was, like...
Steakhouse?
Not a steakhouse.
No.
June?
June?
Shitty, shitty roadside diner with mud wrestling in the back.
Whatever it was.
I do think, though, that Sylvester Stallone has this crazy food obsession.
I know we're going to talk about demolition medicine.
Hey, let's go get a steak.
But he's
obsessed with food in his movies.
Bad food and good food or whatever.
Well, he's trying to get the word out about cholesterol on a lot of his movies.
That's what's happening.
You feel like that's like his underlying thing, like you know, like John Travolta might have been trying to do with Scientology and Battlefield Earth.
Here he's like, we gotta get the word out about cholesterol.
That kid talks about cholesterol like seven times.
Oh yeah.
But the kid says, that's my father so proudly and so
he speaks about him in such a familiar way.
He just met him 10 minutes ago.
Hours ago.
Moments ago.
Hours ago.
What I would again I want to bring back to the one crux part of the beginning.
Like right when he meets his dad, he's like, you never talk to me.
You never reach out.
And he goes, whoa, what are you talking about?
Flawless, flawless, thank you.
Stallone, flawless.
It was not Stallone.
I was not doing Stallone.
I was doing Robert De Niro.
So,
and he goes, Yeah, why haven't you reached out to me?
He's like, What are you talking about?
I wrote you a hundred letters.
And the kid's like, Oh.
And then at that point, you should be like, Oh, well, there must have been some kind of crazy miscommunication.
I should be mad at you.
I believe the kid asks to stop having a conversation.
Yeah, he says, I don't want to talk about it.
Or
Stallone, one would think he would follow that up with, did you not get them?
Yeah.
Or unless I wondered why you never got them.
300 or old things.
Oh, but if you never got my letters, this all must seem insane.
And then on top of it, you must be terrified right now because I am a stranger who has kidnapped you with intent to rape.
I am wearing these penders.
I want to have a conversation with your mother.
Yes.
There's a lot of weird.
But by the way, just to talk about these letters, if you're watching the movie and you're at least an active participant as a viewer, you would go, oh, the bad guy in this movie is Robert Loja.
I bet you Robert Loja held those letters back from him.
Nope.
No.
The easiest choice this movie could have made was, he had all the letters.
Nope, the mom did.
Hidden in her purse.
Hidden in a purse in a drawer.
And then she went and died like an asshole.
But yet the mom, whenever she's on the phone, she's like, oh, you guys need to connect.
You need to bond.
So like the mom is always like, you need to connect, but yet I was holding back this crucial part of information for you to connect, which goes into June's thing, which is she's certifiably insane.
She's a crazy person.
Oh, everybody's crazy in this movie.
Like, the only person who's not crazy, I feel like, is the kid.
And in a lot, I mean, he's crazy, but in a lot of ways, like, when Bull comes up to that kid and is like, who is that man?
Or how do you know that man?
The kid should be like, I don't.
Get me the fuck out of here.
Shit's going down that is not cool.
And then later when Stallone takes the kid into like another restaurant, takes him to the back, he takes the kid, he takes him to the back of another bar where there's a bunch of kids playing video games and he's like, hey, who wants to turn at my son?
Hey, hey.
How'd you like to be accused?
How'd you like to do a robin on my son?
Get up here on the pinball table.
Yeah.
It's fucking mental.
And then when the kid runs out crying, it's like, I don't like this.
You humiliated me.
He's like, you fucking get in there and you do this.
You do this because you're a man.
You take it.
You take it.
And the kid at this point in the movie has shown no proloclivity to arm wrestling, being strong.
It's also the only
second time they arm wrestle in the movie in that scene, I believe.
There's not a lot of arm wrestling in this movie.
Only the last 40 minutes, and then it's all wall-to-wall.
Wall-to-wall arm wrestling.
I thought I said to you earlier,
it's real steel.
It's like the same movie.
Except right there,
real Real steel is this.
I just want to
show you,
obviously, Stallone getting ready for arm wrestling.
And
this is one of my favorite moments, how he gets psyched up for the arm wrestle here.
So I'm going to crack that open here.
This is more of a video moment than it is an audio.
So we'll just duck out of the way of the screen.
And here we go.
That's it.
That's
that's a scene in this movie.
Super weird.
Right.
Super weird.
I love watching Stallone in that scene walk up to get prepared.
He looks like every blood vessel is going to burst.
He's like,
it's like the Hulk, but he's not turning.
It's like he's just taking a really hard shit.
Just shaking.
And then the other guy that he's wrestling there is like just a bizarro Patrick Swayze.
Oh, that's great.
He's every crazy person smashed together, I feel like.
Just to put some context to this movie, Stallone was paid $12 million to star in this.
What?
It was done in 1987.
So $12 million in 1987 is a lot of cocaine.
And years later, Stallone explained that he agreed to appear in this movie, saying that the producer, Golan, kept on offering him more and more money until I finally thought, what the hell?
No one's going to see this.
And here we are.
It came in fourth place on opening weekend.
So that is pretty bad for like Stallone in his prime to come in fourth.
Do you know what beat it by any chance?
I do not know what beat it.
No.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Oh, boy.
Does anybody here know?
Failures.
You fucking worthless sex of shit.
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Stallone drives a cologne truck at one point.
He is transporting cologne.
Like, uh, which I just just the idea of cologne in a 16-wheeler made me laugh.
Like, one type of cologne just like brute.
It was
all the bad ads in this, too.
Oh, yeah.
So many bad ads.
I have a question about trucking because it seems like...
You have a question about trucking?
I do, because at the end of the movie, there's a big prize at stake at the arm wrestling tournament, which is a giant truck.
How lucky?
Right, but when you, this is what I'm asking, when you are a truck driver, aren't you just given the trucks of the company?
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Thank you.
To be fair, you have to buy your own name.
85% of our audience are truck drivers.
Now I understand that.
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I will say that it was odd to me that the prize of the arm wrestling competition was a big rig.
Because if you are not a trucker, that is not a good prize.
It seems to be only a prize he would want.
Yeah,
I laughed out loud this morning because the way they set it up is awesome.
Because he goes, and the winner will win $100,000.
And
then he says, and then a trucker.
It's like, what are the chances?
This guy, this is this guy's.
Well, so much so that when they're announcing all of the different arm wrestlers for the final, like the finals, they announce everyone, and everyone sort of turns to the camera and gives like a really scary face.
And when they announce Sylvester Sallone,
by the way, this is the amazing acting.
He's faced away because he's staring at his truck.
Yeah.
And so he's just sort of caught off the camera.
And also, everybody else in that scene, exact scene, is placed within the riotous crowd and people are patting them on the back.
And he is...
alone
sitting not like pumped up but sitting kind of like just staring and then he goes like this
He's sitting there and he's just looking, oh man, all the cologne I could transport across the country.
This big rig, oh, this beautiful thing.
This is, well, I think this is, wait, 80, yeah, this is like the heyday of like trucker, not the heyday, I guess, maybe, but like BJ and the Bear kind of pass.
I guess it is.
That's like late 70s, I guess.
I will say one of the things.
There's something trumpery about that era.
And I thought he looked great in his trucker costume.
I will say that.
I think that's what it's called, a trucker costume.
I thought he looked great.
Hey, Sly, you got to get in your trucker costume and then get on set.
Got it.
He loves that truck.
If there is any kind of eagle, if there's any kind of metal eagle, he's going to spend a couple of Hawk on it.
Hawk.
His last name is.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Or is it?
Guys,
his name changes in the movie, and I actually put together a little montage.
His name changes a couple of times.
It's Hawk.
Sometimes it's Hawks.
Oh, it does happen.
To both.
I will play you that I think is really not a good, that's bad scripty.
But if there is a metal hawk in the movie, he's going to polish it for at least six minutes.
Yeah.
Because it happens a couple times.
So this is a little montage of hawk or hawk.
He responds to both.
So listen carefully.
Here we go.
And sometimes in the same scene, differently.
Better than you.
You hawk.
Court is going to give him to his father unless Hawks can't support him.
Hawks.
How the hell can he support?
You Hawks?
Hawks.
Let's go.
T you, Hawks.
Hawks.
The odds on Lincoln Hawks.
Kelly, what are the odds on Hawks?
Lincoln Hawks, 20 to 1.
20 to 1, pal.
Good long shot.
Come in, Hawk.
Lincoln is a new champion!
Champion of the world
So
he wins as Hawk.
He was Hawks.
He goes back and forth.
The odds are 20 to 1 on Hawks.
Yeah.
But Lincoln Hawk wins.
That's pretty amazing.
His name changes.
How does that happen?
That's lazy.
That's really lazy.
It's sad.
He agrees to everyone.
And you would think Stallone would be like, actually, my name is Hawk.
I wrote the script.
I'm co-script writer.
My name is Hawk.
Because that's the name of my truck.
Hawk.
Not Hawks.
Like, no one checked that.
Like,
how checked out was he that he allowed himself to be called two different names?
There was that moment where he was like, hey, like, he tried to bring it up.
He's like, hey, can I tell?
And they were like, we're going to got to get moving.
He's like, just forget it, man.
Just forget it.
12 million?
12 million?
Okay, let's keep going.
We were going to get together.
Maybe it was as soon as he had a family and had a son.
He was like, we're the Hawks.
You think it's plural?
I don't know.
They have a weird name, like, what's the word shit about that, don't they?
He's like, when you take over the business, it always
Hawkins' son.
Hawkinson.
But he screws it up and he's like, yeah, Hawkins' son.
Like, he says something different the first time.
What's son and a hawk?
Right?
Yeah.
That won't work.
By the way, this kid wants to grow up to be a truck driver.
That's the thing.
That's the thing that makes promising careers.
He wins the money.
He wins the trucks.
Spoiler alert.
And the kid is like, I want to be with you.
I want to be with you.
And he's like, okay, great.
And then they're going to live in a truck together?
Is that what I was going to get to believe?
They're going to give him the old truck and they're going to drive side by side.
I was upset.
Side by side?
That's amazing.
I was very upset to see them fall asleep like that in the truck bed.
He tells them, he's like, hey, if you get tired in the middle of the night, you can fall asleep on my shoulders.
And then he falls asleep on the kids.
On the kids' shoulders, like all cuddled up like a fucking weirdo.
Not cool.
Yeah, because that's the thing is, like, Robert Loja is, um, if you want vintage Robert Loja, guys, do yourselves a favor and watch the pilot episode of Magnum P.I.
It is two hours long.
Robert Loja is the bad guy, and maybe 15 minutes of content that is worth it, but it's amazing.
But Lojia is a bad guy, and he's incredibly rich in this.
So the kid is going to inherit all this money or whatever, but he wants to like bro out with Stallone to the point where I'm like, why would you do this?
Now you have the money, you don't, you can't force this child to live in a truck.
You can't be like, he wants you, but you can't, guys, right?
We can't let this happen.
You're saying, I see that Stallone, if he really did want the best for his son, wouldn't he?
Settle down.
You can get the best education.
He can't settle down.
He's a bad man of the road.
Then leave the kid with Loja.
While they are together, the kid is
assaulted by bull, kidnapped by thugs.
Like, the kid is.
Stallone is a terrible father.
You are a terrible father.
I would argue that he's not even...
In the movie.
He's not.
In real life, he's kind of a bad dad.
In real life, he's the best dad ever.
I want to say that because he's my father.
I wanted to get...
I feel like, June, this is something that you would catch on to.
That his character as a father, sometimes it's so like...
Yeah, I'm just trying to do stuff for my son.
And then all of a sudden, like, driving a truck through a mansion.
Like, there's no middle ground.
Like he goes from like
I'm so shy I'm awkward in suspenders to I'm gonna punch a guy through a wall like there is no like like he's raised weird line of like I just want to be a good dad and then he's like no you drive the fucking truck.
I don't care about other people's lives.
Yeah.
Well, and boy said what's that?
Oh, I'm gonna train in my truck by driving a tractor trailer and using a handmade sort of rig that he built that has weights on it.
Yeah, it's like he built the Nautilus machine in his truck and he's doing the
Soloflex?
Which is predominantly featured on a lot of arm wrestlers shirts.
And Alka Seltzer is on one other guy's shirt.
Alka Seltzer was really big in the arm wrestling scene.
We've got to get it out there.
And then they crack open Alka Seltzer later on.
I feel like that was the first time I noticed product placement like in the 80s because the guy, Grizzly, screams, I'm going to drink some oil
out of a funnel.
He specifically says funnel, drinks motor oil out of the funnel and then the next shot is him cracking open some Alka Celtic and being like,
shouldn't have drank.
Shouldn't drink that oil.
Yep.
Shouldn't have drank that Valvoline.
That was a mess.
They didn't even do product placement on Valvoline.
It was just oil.
Here's the thing about Stolon's character though.
I mean you have to remember that he's been sending his son letters for his son's entire life.
And he's been getting pictures back.
So he's working under the assumption, I assume that the son has gotten his letters,
maybe doesn't know how to write.
You would say it at a certain point because he has such a good relationship with the mom that he'd be like, hey, whatever the mom's name, hey, Catherine, like, why isn't my kid writing back to the 75 letters I've sent?
Love the pics.
Love the pics.
Yeah, love the pics.
Thanks so much for the pics, but hey, what's up with the kid not writing?
I feel like maybe you're squirreling these away in a purse at the bottom of a drawer and not showing them to you.
That purse, where it was hidden, there were a couple purses in that drawer.
Yeah, it was hidden.
And it was hidden in the dark.
Don't all ladies have a bottom drawer, purse drawer?
It was like hidden in like a makeup vanity like boudoir sort of structure.
Like there's no reason a ton of purses would be in that drawer.
See, I just saw that.
That's really where this movie lost.
Oh, girls in their purses.
Every girl's got a vanity with a drawer.
Purse drawer.
Where you store all the purses full of weird stuff.
Yeah, see, I feel like it'd be like that.
If I went into a girl's room, I'd find like a vanity.
I'd open the bottom drawer and it'd be purses full of dildos or something.
You know, like that's where girls hide their stuff, right?
I understand women.
Oh, brother.
What if Stallone
and the woman were just like legitimately like just insane?
Like they were, like they needed to belong in a mental institution.
And Robert Lozier got in there and was like, you know what?
You need to go every question about this.
No, go ahead.
Let me say one thing.
When the first shot of her, she's very sick, sitting on that upholster chair in her hospital room, and her hair is cut in a way where it does not look like this is somebody who's suffering and has been through chemotherapy.
This looks like, in sort of a manic rage, she has taken scissors and cut off all of her hair.
Yes.
Agree.
Right?
Yeah.
No, she looks crazy.
She looks if she was put up to any mental institution.
She would cut her hair.
She cut it.
I would believe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, it's terrible.
My question is this: because there is like a tiny glimmer of insight that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the story here?
Where the kid at some point says to Sylvester Stallone, hey, are you still selling drugs?
Yes.
And I was like, okay, in my mind, there's a narrative where Stallone and the mom are just fucking druggies.
They're selling drugs.
They're like cocaine cowboys level maniacs.
He's hauling meth across the country.
Whatever, just like crazy Coke.
He's working for the cartels.
We all get it.
The original Walter White.
Yep.
And then he like bails because of whatever.
She raises the kid with Loja, the dad, and whatnot.
And because of all the drug use, she's going to die because of something.
What about this?
What about this?
There was a drug cartel and they said, we're going to kill your family.
And he's like, look, that's too much for me.
Oh, I love this movie.
You got to go with your dad.
You got to go with your dad.
I'm going to be on the run.
They'll come after me.
They won't come after you.
And Loja's like, I'm going to pay off this cartel, but you can never see my daughter again.
That's a good backstory.
I like that.
Yeah, I like these are all better movies than what happened.
Instead, he asks Sylvester Stallone, are you still selling drugs?
And his reaction is kind of like, that's fine.
I don't
really when you say
grandfather selling drugs, I think your grandfather's making that up.
Well, here's a weird thing, too.
Pumps away.
Just keep on pumping.
So the grandfather also gets the court to essentially,
he gets gets Stallone to sign a document that says he will not come back to the state and that document's signed and it's pretty clear like he's not seeing his son again and that's settled then a few scenes later he shows back up in Vegas to say yet again you're not seeing your son again gives him a lot of chances
but like so
I already signed your paper.
Like you're
clear.
You could have gotten out of here a week ago.
Yeah, he's like, get the hell out.
I'm trying to win this truck, all right?
Losha, this time Loch is also offering him a truck and $500,000.
But he's already, like, Stallone, if I was Stallone, I would take it.
I'm like, yeah, I already signed that contract.
I'm free and clear.
Because, by the way, at the end of the movie, I wasn't like, I'm signing this contract unless I win this contest.
Like, there was no caveat in it, like, oh, but if you win an arm wrestling contest, this contract's null and void.
Like, that was never part of the deal.
And also, when that kid escapes, there's large periods of time where no one seems to be looking for him.
Like they give up.
They're all up in Robert Loja's suite.
And this is an era where a kid in a movie can,
like, maybe
12 years old, 13 years old?
Like, what?
He's 12.
12.
I love that somebody was like, 12.
12.
You don't know he's 12.
Jason, he's 12.
Come on.
He's 12 years old, and we are like, we're cool with him driving cars, stowing away on airplanes, like, or whatever.
Not even stowing away.
He pulls up to an airport and he's like and he's like and he's like hey you can't park that car he's like here keep it
I'm fucking rich keep that
and then and then like he finds the best way to hide is to act like a piece of luggage and he comes out of a luggage carousel and be like oh who packed that boy
well they had to get no airport security they had to get all the luggage to the arm wrestling contest so he knew he would get there fine
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By the way, during the arm wrestling contest, you know, it keeps on going down from like, you know, 500 entry people all the way down to like eight.
But throughout that, they're like, and we're down to the final four.
And you'll see people who are not in the final four just like,
like lifting.
It's like, guys, it's over.
Let the dream die.
You've lost.
You've clearly lost.
No reason to stretch and do anything.
There's only four people in this race anymore.
Like there's down to the final two, and there's a guy like,
but you also have to lose two matches to be eliminated.
Oh yeah, I mean, that's when this movie.
Jason, Jalen.
That's when this movie is.
I don't think it's a favorite.
It should be called the luckiest man in the world.
Oh, yeah.
Jason, I don't know if that was clear enough
that he had to lose two.
So I compiled how many times they said it in the movie.
Here we go.
And listen up.
Here we go.
And also, just please look at their faces.
Here we go.
And pretend like they're...
One reminder, once again, this is a double elimination competition.
You have to lose twice to be out.
In other words, if you lose once, you still have one more chance.
Okay, let me remind you, please, this is a double elimination competition.
If you lose twice, you're out.
Double elimination competition.
Hecker has lost his first finals match.
Remember, ladies and gentlemen, please remember, this is a double elimination.
Each of these semifinalists have another chance.
You have to lose twice to be out of the competition.
This is a double elimination turn.
Any competitor who loses twice out of the eight who are on these four tips.
So there's two more that were just underscoring it.
I didn't think you could hear it.
It's clear.
So that's like eight times.
And
even the announcer is like, just so I'm clear with you guys I feel like it's ADR lines because people are like well audio guys are telling us that they're confused because we've seen all of these characters lose already so we're gonna ADR the double elimination thing in constantly just to make sense of this the all it seems to me that the only rule is it's a double elimination
otherwise headbutting appears to be allowed drinking of motor oil is allowed these are
it seems like that well they also weigh him when he first arrives so I thought well, there's going to be some sort of weight class.
Like you can only arm wrestle.
Nope.
No.
No.
And they even say
if it goes against Bull, Bull's got 100 pounds on him.
And I was like, oh, then he's going to die.
If Bull has 100 pounds on Stallone, Bull is going to maim and or murder him.
I believe Bull.
And the thing about, like, when he does lose, he has that one move.
That one arm move.
It must be cheating, right?
The hand grows.
Do you notice that the final slow motion shot of him going over the
move?
He literally goes like fans it out.
So he's doing it in slow motion, and then they also put it in slow motion.
So it's super slow, and he gets his fingers on top.
Neck shot, fingers are on the side.
His fingers are never on top for that entire picture.
By the way, they don't explain why that, like, you would think like when this kid loses in arm wrestling, he's like, hey, you can't lose.
Let me give you my trick.
Yeah.
And explain how he wins in arm wrestling.
Nope.
No,
the kid does it.
The kid does it and just knows to do it because he seems to do it.
Well, not only that, but it's also like I was waiting for this metaphor of going over the top with arm wrestling to, and like really going for it and turning your hat around to like really to connect to this relationship between the father and son.
Like there must be something.
The movie should be called Meet You Halfway.
But by the way, they didn't really meet each other halfway.
This movie should have been called Pull Your Pants Down, Kid, I'm Your Dad.
Pull Your Pants Down, Kid.
I'm gonna suck it.
Sponsored by SoloFlex.
The best way, did you happen to pull the kid
arm wrestling the other kid?
You know, it was so long that he didn't know what the best scene was.
Because the best part of it is: okay, my two favorite actors are in that scene, the two cronies.
Oh, they're
amazing.
They're amazing.
There's one guy who's like, hey, man, you got to get it on.
You got it.
Come on, man, come on.
And then the other guy has like a comeback.
He's like, you really got him.
He's like, yeah, you got him.
The other guy keeps being like sucks.
You wimp, you're a wimp.
Remember when like being called a wimp was awful?
It's still pretty awful.
Look at that's her haircut.
That was your haircut.
It's a little shaggy.
For those of you listening, her haircut is shaggy.
Well, I'll pull up that kid arm wrestling scene.
Oh, that's the training scene.
Oh my god, I love this movie.
There are so many clips to pull.
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
All right, so here,
we're going to play this scene.
All right, here we go.
He's a practical joker, sorry.
He's just a shy kid.
As a matter of fact, I'm so sure I'm willing to put money on him.
Chin, if I couldn't beat you, I'd kill myself.
This is getting too intense.
You know, you don't have a chance against this kid.
You know this.
Yes, he does.
Ten to one odds.
You're one against my attempt, fair enough.
All right, let's go.
Ten to one odds.
Right here.
All right, two out of three times.
You should take that off.
That's not nice.
He's a whimp.
You'll take him, easy.
Don't take clothing off of someone else's tie.
Look at this.
Look at this.
Ready, whip.
He feels like a girl.
Maybe he is a girl.
Listen to me.
You gotta listen to me.
Look at him.
They're grabbing him.
Look at how tender this is.
Yeah.
Yeah, you tough.
This is illegal what he's doing.
What is happening?
Come on, My face is on.
Look at this deal with someone, boy.
Come on, man.
Stop.
Come on, take a start.
Stay away.
Can you go to the next one?
Yeah,
I'm going to go and have passports.
Okay, I want you to watch this next one as if it's a sex scene.
Okay?
I just want to put that in your heads, okay?
As if Stallone is watching a sex scene.
Okay, by the way, the face is the armresting face.
You said he was straw.
My boy was just feeling generous.
Now it's time to go to work, am I?
He's a pimp.
He's a pimp.
It's time to go to work.
This kid will think he can take me.
I don't think so.
The table is time.
Smash him, Richie.
This is gonna hurt, Wimp.
What did you think of that?
I think your breath stinks.
Come on.
Come on, Mike.
Come on.
Let's go, Mike.
Come on, Mike.
Come on.
Hold on, drop the weight.
Pookie kill.
Poopy kill.
You got him, Mike.
You got him.
You got him.
You got him.
You got him.
One more.
You got him.
You got him.
You got him.
You got him.
All right, where you go.
Let's go, Mike.
Right away.
Let's go.
Let's ride away.
Right away.
Get mine.
Get mad.
Get mad.
Ready?
Pump it.
Come on, Mike.
Let's get ourselves popular.
Come on, Mike.
Over the top.
Pump it.
The power, Mike.
The power, Mike.
Alright, way to go.
You got a tough little sucker, aren't you?
That was great.
That was good.
Pay up now.
Money is twisted.
Look at that.
Make some pay up.
Amy, come on!
Please, someone, like, this, if you read, if you edited the trailer, you could make this boy's life.
Like, it could be like an abusive dad relationship.
You could really cut a good trailer.
Oh, that was a good idea.
Pump it kid, pump it, pump it, kid.
Pump it, kid.
No.
Don't shout pump it, kid, to your son.
When I was a kid,
when I was a kid, this is a true story.
When I was a kid, I was hanging out with three of my buddies in front of a photo mat.
And
oh shit, I'm fucking
and his pulls up with his dad and was like, you were making fun of my son.
He's going to kick the shit out of you.
And his dad sat there while we all tried to fight his son.
And at one point, his son was losing and he kicked my friend Eric.
And like, I remember then being like, that's not right.
That's not right.
Like, I was shocked.
That is not right.
Just for legal purposes, that allegedly happened yeah exactly let's just also say that Eric was probably wearing an illegal glove you know so he admits you could kick a kid if he's wearing the wrong fighting gear but it's you don't you don't go you don't touch kids anymore
you also don't ask them to fight each other yeah but imagine like imagine pitching this now like yeah so then there's a scene where they go into the diner and and he you know stallone sees a bunch of kids he's like yeah fight these kids no one would ever go like wait wait wait what happens in this movie those menacing badass kids one guy
does not have a forehead He looks like like the dude from Christmas Story.
He's got the hair.
Yeah, but he says I should kill this guy right he goes I don't know man That's his one contribution as a crony.
By the way, it's arm wrestling.
He doesn't have any personal interest in this kid about all of those.
Oh, kill him.
Like, why?
Well, because we were just playing Super Mario Brothers a second ago.
Not even Super Mario Brothers, just Mario Brothers.
Mario Brothers.
And the thing is, like everybody, it's as if this movie exists in a world in which everybody cannot wait to arm wrestle.
A world in which everybody, are you okay, ma'am?
Are you okay?
She's going over.
She just went like this.
Which is very unsettling for me.
It's when everybody is just like
ready to jump off and arm wrestle.
Like, that's how it's going to go.
That is the feeling.
Like, people are having conversations, and you can see in their eyes, like, it's only a matter of time.
Did you have a moment, though, in the montage when they go towards the end of all the arm wrestlers, and then all of a sudden it cuts to like one kind of hot lady with like a headband.
She's cracking her finger.
I don't know why, but like, I gasped.
I was like, Yeah.
I don't know why.
Well, they made a big deal, too, out of that there is a ladies' bracket, but we never really see it.
No,
you take a front shot.
The
that ends our women's final
I would love I bet the director's cut has like an hour of lady female arm wrestling just topless and the one shot and if it doesn't I'm shooting it later so talk to me ladies
the one shot of the guy whose arm actually pops out oh yeah like just randomly they were like hey that guy's fucking arm broke we should throw that in the movie tape it tape it but it's like this movie is so clear it was like we need a movie that has like more sweat than than Rocky and As much drama as Rambo.
It's like it's got a company.
And it has a competition that anybody can do because we'll ignite an arm wrestling craze across the country.
I had the over-the-top arm wrestling toy.
The over-the-top toy was just like a little platform with a red and blue
like elbow holder and you would just arm wrestle.
Was there an arm?
What?
Was there an arm on it?
No, no, no.
You'd have to get a friend.
You'd have to have a friend.
Or an adult man.
Adult man not included.
Well, you're talking about.
Pedophile not included.
I love the part.
Like it gets to the finals when he's getting to the finals and go, and now we're bringing out our referees.
And there's like 15 of them.
It's arm wrestling.
How many be like, how many?
There's more refs in this scene than there are in a Major League Baseball game.
There's like two feet of coverage.
It's like, what?
It touches or it doesn't.
That's it.
Meanwhile, when he head-butts him, that's not illegal.
That's totally fine.
We're leaning to this point where, you know, they meet each other halfway, and he shows up at the rest of the day.
We're really pushing this as an alternate title.
Mike shows up, the young son.
And what's so weird about it is it feels like he really wanted to know for sure that the dad sent those letters, that Sylvester Solon sent those letters.
But through the rest of the movie before that, he never seems to doubt it or even mention, like, I don't think you did, dad.
And then the climax of the movie is him finding the letters and then getting to Vegas.
But he read the Read's letters.
But basically, it's like, oh, you did write letters.
Now I love you.
You're the best.
The 10 years doesn't matter.
Or the fact that you made me miss my mom's death while broing out with me.
That's the thing.
The movie is basically predicated on the fact that because father and son needed some bro down time, the kid missed the mom's life.
And he's really not upset about it when he's like,
the one woman tells the doctor, and the doctor's like, I'll handle this.
I'm a doctor.
This is
the loan takes me.
His reaction is pretty shitty.
This whole thing is pretty awesome.
Okay, here we go.
Mr.
Hawk.
Hawk.
I'm sorry.
Your wife died this afternoon in the operating room.
Oh, man.
Oh, shoot.
My wife died.
Oh, now I gotta tell this kid.
It's the worst cock block ever.
Oh, God.
This kid runs away at any sign of trouble all the time.
There is so much run away from him.
But his pants never fall down because he's got suspenders.
I like that his dress up, but he's like, hey, look, when I'm out on the road with you, not wearing the suspenders.
Pick you up from school, suspenders on.
Go visit my crazy wife who's dying of cancer, suspenders go on.
Those are dress suspenders.
They're still married?
Officially?
Okay.
People.
I said the audience is like invested in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They don't know.
Of course, June.
Of course, June.
We're the audience.
We know that they're still married.
Oh, my God.
I also wanted to just play the quick scene of why Stallone turns the hat, obviously.
Okay.
Well,
inexplicably,
at this point in the movie,
there becomes documentary footage.
There is like footage of what's Bo and
Hawk that is like
talking, they're just talking to camera in a candid like confessional moment.
Mindy Kaling, bro, that's been a bit.
That's why I love like Stallone is a good actor because there's one scene, like he's nervous in front of the camera.
So like the first time they're like, why do you want to win?
He's like, um,
I don't like the truck.
You know, he's like so like shy.
It's like, yeah,
acting.
But here he's getting a little bit more familiar with the camera.
So he's a little bit less.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Stallone, why does he flip his hat?
What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around.
And it's like a switch that goes on.
And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person.
I feel who's editing.
I don't know.
I feel like a
truck.
Like a machine.
You know, that was improvised.
You know, that was improvised.
You can see it in his eyes.
You know, that fucking eye feels like a machine.
I know I gotta say machine, but there's a fucking machine right behind me.
I gotta point to that machine, because that's like me.
Did you guys see what I just did?
He's so proud of himself.
He's so psyched that he's like that machine.
That's why he's staring at that machine.
He's in love with it.
Because he is
like real steel.
He is a robot.
He loves the machine more than he loves anybody in this movie.
I'm obsessed with the arm wrestling arm cozy.
Oh, my God.
That he wears throughout the arm wrestling.
So it's kind of on his elbow area.
And it is oftentimes on and off and on and off.
There was absolutely no continuity and no script supervisor in this.
No continuity whatsoever.
But then when he says Cutler's upstairs, he wants to talk to you, he's like, hey, how long do I have before I fight?
30 minutes.
He's like, okay, well, I have time.
Like, they really took the time to make sure the audience knew that he's got at least 25 minutes.
He's not there.
They're not sure if he has to win an arm wrestling competition.
They're not going to abuse these guys.
Yeah, they're going to arm wrestle.
Yeah, they're going to get tired.
They're going to get a break.
A nice break.
And there's a guy back there with a big back massager who'll just do it like
assuming they're getting his back massaged by a guy.
Yeah, there's a whole like triage area.
And then the adopter's like touching his biceps.
Like, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're good.
You're good to go.
We haven't brought up.
He's touching with your finger in the biceps.
Yeah, that bicep's together.
There's no tear there.
Yep, yep.
No, this feels like, you know, what this feels like is it feels like a man's arm.
Okay, so you're good to go.
We haven't brought up the fact that before arm wrestling matches, your trainer slaps you in the fucking face as hard as he can.
Over and over.
Over and over again.
Everybody who is in this movie, they were like, okay, if you are a big, beefy guy with a giant beard, you're in.
Greatness.
One caveat.
You cut the part.
A fat slob is going to slap you in the face a bunch.
So that's part of the movie.
Ooh, but is it going to make you want to win arm wrestling?
None of these guys were training effectively because one guy eats a full cigar, a lit full cigar before the arm wrestling, which got to hurt.
Like, no matter how much, like, he's like, oh,
he just sucks it down and then wins.
You know, he's a good artist.
And there's the guy that drinks the Valvoline.
Same guy.
Oh, it's the same guy.
Oh, my God.
That had to happen.
Grizzly?
Grizzly?
Are you telling me Grizzly ate a cigar and drank motor oil?
Yeah, bro.
That's why he ate it at Alka Seltzer.
Oh, boy.
I bet that was his idea.
Hey, get me an edible cigar.
What?
Just.
Hey, I want to do something nice to the good people at Alka Seltzer.
That had to be like...
That was written.
That had to be.
Somebody from Alka Seltzer was like, we got it.
Somebody's going to drink motor oil.
They were like, we know the guy.
His name's Grizzly.
And now
people try to go to Alkazelter the time, like, no, we got Bernan over the top.
We're not, we're not doing this again.
Just so you know, another little fact about the movie: John Wheaton, the lead singer of the rock group Asia, originally sang winner takes it all for the movie.
But after performing the song, Stallone said his voice wasn't mean enough, so they switched him out with Sammy Hagar.
Amazing.
And Stallone joined in too.
He did.
Really?
Yes, that is.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I got this.
I got this.
Asia, you're a bunch of pussies.
Me and Sammy Hagar are going to take the reins of this song.
I feel like there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but I feel like maybe the audience has some questions.
I want to go out to the audience and see if you have some questions.
Raise your hands, and I'm going to come to you and we'll see if we missed anything.
You're applauding.
You don't even know the questions yet.
All right.
Your name, your favorite Stallone movie, and your question.
Go ahead.
Andre's favorite Stallone movie.
It's got to be over the top.
I want to know why the main guy, the main bad guy, he lost, he's been winning five years in a row.
So that means the prize is $100,000 each year, maybe, and a truck each year, maybe.
So you should have five trucks and at least $500,000.
That is a very good point.
But wait, but wait, is your question why is he still in it?
Because he hasn't beat Lincoln Hawk.
No,
He's Lincoln Hawk.
When they're announcing everybody's,
where they're from, they're like, that guy, he's from the main division.
And Hawk is from the amateur underground.
Hawk is from the trucker division.
And somehow
he's an unknown, but yet this guy goes to random diners to scout.
And it's like, he's definitely 20 to 1 with really low odds for
the champion of the sport to be like, yeah, I got to go get this guy.
Bull shows up and is like,
when he holds the kid's hand in that bar and is like, let's just get this over with now.
Let's not wait till Vegas.
Like, there is a point.
But to that point, perhaps he doesn't want to wait till Vegas because he's like, I won this shit.
I don't want to pay insurance on the business.
He talks about how winning number one is his only thing in life and being number two sucks.
And there's no, but then he headbutts the loan.
But then when he loses, he's like, okay.
And he raises the loan.
I noticed that too.
He seemed to take it rather wild.
Well, you know what?
I have a theory on that.
Their hands were tied together.
So Stallone, in his victory, had to pull up his hand.
It was like a puppet.
He took the initiative.
He takes the initiative.
He's like, all right, he's the winner.
I will say, look, after you make your first $500,000, things go away.
I'm going to go over here.
What's your name, your favorite part of this movie, and your question?
My name is Gabby, and my favorite part of this movie is probably the music and the amazing ballads.
But I just have to mention that the son's name is Mike Hawk.
I would
also like to
point out that his name I'm going to get you with her real quick.
His name also might be Mike Hawks.
So
yes, your name,
your favorite Stallone moment in this film, or Robert Loja moment, in your question.
My name is Julia.
My favorite moment is the montage where they're working out against the truck.
The backlit montage.
That looks like a great workout, that truck workout.
It's a machine.
It's a machine, okay?
My question is,
so in the scene that you showed earlier where he's arm wrestling, the kid, the kid says, kid, if I lost to you, I'd kill myself.
And then loses to him.
So
do you think that kid killed himself?
Yes, I do.
I do too.
What would be amazing is if you found that actor and did a movie now that was about his character having been trying to kill himself for years.
I also like that.
It started with that scene and it just followed him home.
And all he does is try and kill himself over and over and over again.
I like Groundhog Day.
Your name.
How would you appeal to your son if you hadn't seen him in 10 years in your question?
One line that you would say to your son when you picked him up from military school.
Here you go.
When his body, I would say, what's Salone said?
I would say, you have to win, but then you can lose as long as you lose like a winner.
All right, good.
I like it.
You took it from the film.
I like it.
My question is, if anyone noticed that Robert Loje's goon was also the really crazy hothead bouncer from Roadhouse with the exact same fish
yep
the guy that gets the guy that gets fired yeah well that's how he got there that's how it ended up he worked for another old man these are just beefy dudes who work for old men who intimidate very strong men like Robert Loja and uh who's that and the other guy Ben Gazara yep they're like oh we got to intimidate a nice really well-fit 30 year old we need goons and then his only job is to talk tough and then get his ass kicked.
You know, in like one moment, where he gets.
Stallone throws him through a door with so much ease.
And the door explodes.
That's not the door.
Like the wood implodes into like splinters.
That's not Terry Funk, right?
Terry Funk's in this, but is that him?
I don't know.
I don't know the actor's name.
Someone says that is Terry Funk?
It is Terry Funk.
Hey, you're Terry Funk.
What if it was Terry Funk?
What if Terry Funk is like, all right.
What if it was Tom?
Terry Funk is here.
If Terry Funk is here, that would be amazing.
If you bring Terry Funk to a live, how did this get made?
You both get in free.
Your name, why you think the mom didn't show the letters to her son, and your question.
Here we go.
Hi, my name is Leanne, and I have to go with June's theory that she's just bananas crazy.
And this really isn't a question, it's just from earlier.
The movie that beat this in the box office was Platoon, number one.
Nice.
Look at that coming well research.
Did you know that or did you
have a bunch of people?
Who has a really good question?
Put two hands up.
You have a really good question.
Oh, this guy.
Immediately.
Beards.
Two guys with beards.
Two hands up.
Let's see.
Take their questions first.
They're cool.
These guys are former arm wrestlers.
All right.
Your name?
Would you be called it if you were an arm wrestler in your question?
Go.
Oh, man.
This is a lot of pressure for my question now.
I'm Rob.
My name would probably be the beard.
Okay, go on.
I already took it.
I was always confused because they introduced Bull as having been undefeated, but it seems like, and I'm not sure, that the match, their double elimination?
Yeah.
Right.
Okay, so doesn't Bull only lose once?
I had that theory too.
I think that double elimination only exists until you're in the finals.
Finals, all bets are all.
I bet it is single elimination.
But wouldn't Stallone have to beat him twice?
That's what I thought, but I think when you're in the finals,
the double elimination is only until the finals.
In my mind, now, Stallone and Bull have both lost once.
Yeah, that's right.
But now we're in the finals.
No, Bull hasn't lost before the finals.
Yeah.
What?
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter in the finals?
Says somebody very boldly, but does not know.
All right.
It's very unexplained.
Here we go.
This is your name.
You also have a beard, so what would be your wrestling, your arm wrestling name and your question?
My name is Peter.
Presumably, my name would be something like Junkyard Muldoon or one of these sort of generic tough guy names.
He's thought of this.
He's thought of this.
I can't wait.
Well, I had time between me and the other beard.
Junkyard Muldoon.
If he asks, I'm going to say Junkyard Muldoon.
I'm going to say Junkyard McGill.
No, man, you should say Junkyard Muldoon.
I like Junkyard Muldoon.
That's pretty sweet.
Also a character in platoon.
Here we go.
It also looks like in that same hotel, there's some sort of trade show going on.
You mean?
Because when they're looking for the kids,
the two henchmen are looking at an abandoned Duracell battery display.
I thought about that.
I thought that Duracell is just getting into a very niche market.
Yep.
They're like, guys, we need to send some reps out to the Hilton.
These arm wrestlers, they're driving the trucks, they're listening to their walkmans.
They need Duracells in there.
That's what I thought.
I thought that too, yeah.
All right, we have time for one more question.
One more good question.
It better be fucking good.
Here we go.
Your name and your question.
That's it.
I'm having to give you a middle question.
Here you go.
Okay, my name's Natalie, and my question is: where does Stallone get all the t-shirts that he changes in the final wrestling scene?
And it culminates, and it culminates in a boatneck New York t-shirt, like a baby tee.
Is it really a boat neck, or is it more of a scoop neck?
He seemingly has no affiliation to New York.
Jim seems really shocked by this.
I am.
I wish you could see the look on her face.
You're right, he changes probably like seven times.
He also lets his kid drive a truck.
Wait, all the kids say, by the way, we didn't even talk about that scene.
The kid's like, you know, you're a truck driver.
You're not even smarter than a 13-year-old.
And he's like, drive the truck.
What does that prove?
Like, well, how does that prove
intelligence?
He's like, I could drive a truck on Superstar.
And you know what?
The kid does.
It's not even in trouble for about two and a half seconds.
It's not even like the kid can't do it.
And he's like, see, not so dumb after all.
The kid masters it almost instantly.
Yeah, and then he's like, open her up, man.
Open her up.
The kid showed up and like, see, this isn't so easy, you fucking dummy.
Oh, by the way, that truck is kind of magical because when the kid does get kidnapped, he jumps, you know, Stallone jumps into his fucking semi truck and immediately gets it up to speed to go in the high-speed car chase.
Also, what doesn't happen?
Like, wasn't he towing something at that point?
I think he dropped the load.
We didn't.
He did.
What?
You heard me.
He dropped a load.
Oh, him and the kid?
Yeah.
They dropped a load?
Yeah.
Together?
By the way, another bad fathering example.
He slams that other car.
His kid is inside of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He runs a truck off the road with his son in it.
And then pretty much leaves the truck behind.
Yeah.
And his son, by the way, is like a mile ahead in a truck going, dad, dad.
And then I believe he says he's coming.
How about the guys are like, yeah, we know he's chasing us.
How about this?
This is crazy.
When he first picks the kid up, the scene where the kid tries to run away from him, and
it's like frogger into traffic to a grown man in traffic.
And the kid causes like a pile up.
Like cars are like,
like craziness.
And they're like, get back in the truck.
No, that's not his reaction.
His reaction is a chest hold from behind
up against a light pole while he slowly backs up towards the light pole so that he can hold his son and calm him down.
Right,
he go,
while people are dying.
10 feet away.
Obviously, we had some opinions about this movie, but there are some people
who
think differently.
These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon.
It's time for a second opinion.
Okay.
These are pretty great.
All right.
I don't even know where to...
Okay.
Oh, man.
All right, here we go.
Alright,
I just gotta find the best way to start them because they're so long.
Okay, let's try this one.
I have to admit, I still cry every time I see the scene where Mike loses the arm wrestling match at the truck-stop pinball machine.
I'm embarrassed to admit that I had three broken noses from reenacting the final scene of the movie with my brother John.
What a scene.
Wait, three broken noses?
So three different times they tried to reenact that scene.
This was a three-nosed boy that wrote this.
Hawk was facing elimination and pulls through to beat Bull while Jason Cutler looks on and finally realizes that Hawk is a super dad.
By the way, it's Michael Cutler.
Jason Cutler?
It's Michael Cutler.
Unless that's Robert Loche.
That's Robert Loche's character.
Okay.
Thank you.
I still resent John to this day for always being Bull and making me be Hawk every time.
He would always trick trick me.
Now he's talking about his brother.
He would always trick me and tell me, but Bri, you get to be hawk.
You win the truck.
If I had to do it again, I'd still be Lincoln Hawk.
I recommend this movie to anyone who's an arm wrestler.
Or
a friend of an arm wrestler.
Which is basically all of us.
Yeah.
Which is basically everyone.
Which is just an arm wrestler and the dude who slaps that dude in the face.
Brian Sequera, five stars.
Mike265 writes, I'm 22 years old now, and I was 10 when the movie came out.
When it came out on video, I watched it over and over and over again.
Nevertheless, the tape got worn out, and I have not had a chance to buy a new copy.
But I will.
You know?
Hey, Mike265, it's available on Netflix.
Yeah.
Also, that means he wrote this in 1999.
That isn't it all possible.
Well, it's also possible that when he was registering at Amazon, he was like, Mike, wait, that's taken?
Mike 1.
Mike 2.
Weird.
Mike 3.
Wait, Mike 199.
Oh, come on.
Wait a minute here.
Mike 256.
Wait, really?
It gets better.
He goes,
I will let you know that I've also went through some of the things that Lincoln Hawk went through with his son Mike with my daughter in New York and I in California to better myself.
Having trouble with the mother not letting me talk to her or my family see her, but I still send her birthday slash Christmas slash Easter presents to her anyway.
Because it makes me feel closer to her and the movie.
Mike.
Wait.
He sends her the presents because it makes him feel closer to the movie?
Yes.
Makes me feel closer to her and the movie?
I'm gonna send her this Easter present because fuck it.
I gotta feel closer to her.
By the way,
not the three big holidays, birthday, Christmas, and Easter.
Like, birthday, Christmas, big.
Easter is kind of a weird.
Yeah, I would say that.
That's a weird one.
Brittany B writes, I bought this DVD for my boyfriend who arm wrestles professionally.
What?
Before I dated him, I didn't even know a thing existed.
Anyway, I got it for him for his birthday, and he kept dropping subtle hints of wanting the movie on DVD because his VHS version had seen better days.
Wait, is she dating the guy from the first response?
Who wore out the shirt?
Maybe people who just love this movie only own VHS machines in their trucks.
It's impossible to find anywhere.
Yeah, it is.
You can't.
Anyway, it's really hard to find over the top.
I spent the last four days looking for it.
Oh my gosh.
It's on Amazon.
It's on NBS.
But you can't find it in the streets.
It's on Netflix.
Is it on Netflix?
I'm just smoking it.
Netflix watch Instagram, guys.
Upon receiving his gift, you would have thought I had given him the world.
He bragged about this gift to all of his friends
and fellow arm wrestling acquaintances.
He's not ready to call those guys friends.
He said,
he said
the quality of the DVD was excellent.
The only complaint he had was there were no special features other than the original movie trailer.
And for that, he beats me mercilessly.
Britney B, five fucking stars.
Holy shit, there's some serious emotions going on in here.
This movie brings up a lot of emotions for people.
Would you guys recommend seeing this on Netflix or Amazon?
100%.
Yeah, yeah.
It's pretty great.
It's a lesser-known stallone.
It's funny because you'll never see a movie structured this way either because it really is.
The first 20 minutes is like just a father-son road pick.
And then the last 70 are just arm wrestling.
And then sweating.
It's also a movie they can't make anymore.
No, yeah, you could never make it.
You can't make a movie where you take a kid somewhere and make him watch you wrestle men.
You've tried.
You've tried.
I've tried.
It's impossible.
I'm on a fucking truck, though.
I would actually love, like, it would be like, you know, Astallone is doing the sequels to everything now.
I would love to see this movie now, like, 20 years later.
It is Son and Hawk or Hawk and Son, whatever they decided on.
And Michael, Michael is an arm wrestling amateur.
He's like rising through the ranks.
I just want the movie to be called Over the Tippy Top, real bad.
Just really bad.
He's got a kid too, and now the baby's gonna arm wrestle too.
He's on the baby arm wrestling thing.
circle man just a little tiny baby crib and he's just fucking
baby can't ever can't ever actually hold something
what if he had a baby that had no fingers oh shit
oh shit well he'll probably open it up
probably give it up for adoption kid can't yeah he would just leave
He would just leave and then somebody else in his life would die and he would show up late to their funeral.
Bull is sitting in his palatial half a million dollar house.
We must get hot hot sun, grandson.
Yeah, it truly I hope Bull's not driving trucks anymore.
There was one version because I was listening closely, but there's the truckers, there's the teamsters.
Bull may have been like a lawyer for all we know.
Oh,
the strongest lawyer.
Yep.
I'm gonna win this case.
Ripping law books the next.
And representing the defendant, Bull Goldstein.
Your honor, Honor?
Take this band or I'll bash your fucking head into it.
I'm going to own you.
I'm going to rip your fucking arm off.
The defense rests.
What if he only does child custody cases?
He only does child custody cases now.
Well, guys, you have been a great audience.
Thank you, Subculture New York.
Thank you, everybody that's here.
Thank you to Bobby Moyan.
Oh, thank you.
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