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dolph lundgren learns about s m and so much more we saw jill rips so you know what that means

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Hello, people of her. And hello, people of Los Angeles.

Oh boy, oh boy, it's our first live show of 2025. I can't believe it.

And we needed to make it about Dolph Lundgren

getting tied up, getting beat up in the 70s. Yes, Jill Ripps is a period piece.

All right, if you don't know about Jill Ripps, you probably got questions. You probably think, well, this is a movie about like Jack the Ripper, but like maybe it's like a female Jack the Ripper.
No.

Not really. I mean, maybe in theory, but nothing on screen tells us that.
No character named Jill.

You might be thinking, well, this is an old movie. This came out a long time ago.
We can forgive things. Nope.

Came out in 2000,

which is old, but not that old. Not even the 90s.
This is a 2000 film.

And the tagline is here,

very interestingly enough, imagine if Jack the Ripper had a sister

And I guess then forget that because it doesn't play into

what this movie does

at all

IMDB describes it as a tough guy

Who wrote this description? A tough guy goes undercover on a personal mission of vengeance into the hardcore world of S ⁇ M to find out who's responsible for the death of his brother.

Well, well, well. I tell you the cast, but it doesn't make a difference.

It's Dolph Lundgren. That's all you need to know.

In an action movie with not much action, but a lot of punches to the face.

People are getting punched in the dick and face a lot in this movie.

There's so much to discuss. There's so much to break down, but I can't do it without my two co-hosts.
Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Manzukas.

What's up, jerks?

Yeah,

here we go.

What's up, Largo?

Yeah,

we fucking did it.

First show of the tour.

We are on tour, but we have not left our home.

That, this is how I want every tour to be.

I get to do the show and go home.

Oh, I want my bed in every city.

Celine Dion, you genius. You figured it out.
I mean, I'm sitting here being like, why do I have to be in Boise soon? That's right. I'm taking shots at Boise.

Get fucked, Boise.

You and I, we love bad action movies. I've never even seen the cover of this, heard of this.

Anyway. Paul, I don't know what this was.
Yeah. This movie is a conundrum.
It is wall-to-wall. I don't know.
And I loved it. This was so compelling.
I really think there's so much to talk about.

So much to talk about, but I will say that I watched the last five minutes behind your back in the room. You let me in there.
I wasn't just watching you.

Not behind the movie. I was in the bathroom.

It's okay. It was cool.

I was watching the movie. And I walked out in disgust, but I still like the movie.
Oh, boy,

this was, I genuinely, I kept writing my notes. I don't know what's going on.
Nope. I think this, the scene where she's in the red bathrobe, I believe is 15 minutes long, and it's riveting.

It's called drama, people.

And somebody knows about drama and bad wigs. And there are two of many bad wigs to mention in this film.
Yes. Oh, so many bad wigs.
For no reason. No reason.

At one point, I feel like they kept an improvised line in, like, get a bit of a wig. It's like,

that was not in the script. At no point did they say this guy's wearing a wig.
Anyway, June Day.

Yes, let's go.

How are you, June? I'm well. How are you, Paul? I am well.

And can you, I'm not to put you on the spot, but. No, you started talking about wigs without me and I had to run out here

I had to run out here. That is your signature that that in the early days of the podcast you had a segment that was wig talk or it was and I was yeah a resident wig spotter.
Yes.

Now I have to say though the the the haircut of our of Jill Jill Ripps now is that a full name no is that a name of a character Jill who's Jill Ripps in the in the there is no Jill there is literally no Jill

really?

There's a Matt, there's an Irene, there's an Eddie, there's a Francis, there's a big is Jill Rips though, and she's

got

I honestly thought about this in the car right here. I was like, I think that is the most unfortunate haircut I've ever seen

on a woman. I don't know that that's a wig.
Well, that's what I thought.

They're also, everyone's wearing the shortest haircuts and shortest. And also the longest.

And so Jill Ripps, I felt like she has the short brown hair that I kept writing. Why is this wig here? Obviously, the blonde hair is going to be underneath this brown wig.

And in fact, no, Jill Ripps is hiding the blonde wig. I thought that Jill Ripps, it was not Jill, but I thought that was Cindy Williams from a Laverne show.
Oh, I love that.

I kept, did anybody else, I kept confusing Jill Ripps and the accented man for each other in

the same pair.

In longer shots, in

the same way. Because they have the same propod.
And I thought for sure we're leading to that moment because they made such a big deal out of the fact that the killer was right-handed.

And I was like, oh, did they? Yeah, in the beginning.

In the beginning, when they're going over Michael's death and how he died, 57 cuts to the genitals.

But when they're going over that.

After he was dead.

You can get 57 cuts on there. That's a big shit.
That's a little cuts.

That's a big shake.

57 cuts is so many cuts for a shit.

Just the paper. It's paper cuts.
All paper cuts. Oh, yeah, okay.
Just little. Man, man, man, man, man.
And what's it like one, two, three, four, five? One, two, three, four, five.

One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five.
Just

period. Like

days in jail.

But when they're talking about that with the coroner, he says that the killer was right-handed. And I thought, oh, I cannot wait for when the man at the wig, Polish Elvis, is mistaken.

By the way, that's our shirt. Polish Elvis.

I cannot wait for them to think it was him at one point and then realize he's a lefty. Well, like, June, I think you're watching too much severance.
You're looking for clues that are not.

That wasn't

only one misdirect, and it's like the Builder Man and, you know, like the guy who's like the the mayor, Big Jim. Oh, Big Jim, yeah.

And he's really the only misdirect, and it's he's very easily gotten rid of. And you never hear from him immediately.

Almost immediately. Yeah, I know.
So it's a that's, I couldn't tell you genuinely the plot of the movie. No.
I don't want to, I want to try to break it down, but I want to ask you both a question.

It's not the movie, certainly, that I thought it was going to be. 100%.
For Dolph Lundgren in a Rambo-style fatigues jacket, military jacket.

I was like, oh, this is going to be a Seagal Stallone style.

I thought it was going to be like a take on first blood, like that kind of thing. He comes home, but no, it's so much weirder.

Here's a question I just want to ask, and I want to get this out of the way. How many kids are discovering dead bodies on average? Okay.
I feel like that's a trope. I never discovered a dead body.

Did you guys discover a dead body? No. No, never.
Never. I'm still hoping.
But I think that's a good idea. You don't think you've aged out? I don't think I can call myself a kid anymore.

Anybody in the audience ever find a dead body? As a kid? Oh, one. As a kid? Where? No, I was older.
Okay, doesn't count.

Doesn't count. Still, can I ask you? Doesn't count.
No follow-up questions. No follow-up.

But if you were a kid, I'd have a lot of follow-up questions.

What's so funny about that scene, though, is they are two very young kids, too.

To the point where you're like, they shouldn't be out alone. Well, here's the other thing.
They are at the shore. It's iced over.
They're at the shore. It's iced over.
And they're throwing rocks.

They're having a blast. Ha ha ha.
And it just, it doesn't, it just pans out to reveal bodies, like right there. And then pans out to reveal further police boats fishing the bodies out.

If you walked onto the shore, wouldn't you notice that is happening and not throw rocks for a minute? Well, here's the other thing. I think those cops.

Kept those kids on the crime scene for way too long. Yes.
And they also put them in a cop car. I'm like, are you arresting the kids? Are they suspects? Where are they? They were just throwing rocks.

I mean, the guy was already dead. Also, there's so much outdoor voiceover.
Like, clearly, they couldn't get a single piece of sound recorded outside.

But the kids, the voices of the kids are absolutely voiced by adult people.

And the woman who's voicing the little girl who can't be older than five or six is like, oh, did you skip the rock over there? Yeah, a little bit further, Timmy. I'm like, that's a grown woman.

I want a divorce, Gerald.

But lo and behold, we find out that that is Dolph Lundgren's brother. And then we...
Not the kid. No.
Sorry, the dead body. The dead body.

By the way, the kid could have been his brother, just a younger.

Yeah, the body.

The body is Dolph Lundgren's brother. He comes home.
And then we go to this wake where they're playing orchestra music as if it's like Ethan Hunt is walking walking through like a fancy opera scene.

Like, I mean, this is a low-rent a house in Boston, and there's this music coming in, and then you have Dal Flundren reading the paper in the middle of his own brother's wake. And then

this is my favorite part of this movie, is, well, maybe not the favorite, but one of my favorites is the camera pans over what Dal Flundgren is reading in such a way that I don't know what I'm supposed to be taking in.

I don't know what the title is. It's like going across like left to right, like a typewriter.
Like, quickly,

I didn't see the whole thing. It was so quick.
Something about the tunnels and Big Jim. It was so quick.
Jay had an establishing shot. All exposition.
Everybody had exposition in that scene.

None of it stuck with me whatsoever. None of it.
So much so that, like, in the next scene, when they're in the cold room, I'm like, why are we in a cold room?

The best part of that scene, though, is when Dolph Lundgren looks up and says to the other, his cop friend, like, who is that fox?

And we cut to to her yeah it's the hair yeah you know I mean and so shocking it is it tells us a lot about who is that fox at a wait like wow and the reveal is that his dead it's his dead brother's new wife

and I will say and not and and no offense to this at all no disrespect no disrespect it does tell us a lot about his character that he thinks that is the sexiest woman

he has seen which I'm just like okay I now know a lot about him it also somehow speaks to like that both brothers found her to be the sexiest person alive what what shared history do they have familiar that they were both looked at her and went what oh but

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By the way, both brothers have like something, actually,

actually,

something very terrible happened to them as children because they both have the most fucked up views of women. And both of them, by the way, like when we find out, okay, Dolph Lundgren hits a dog,

grabs an older woman by the hair and throws her,

shoots another woman after hitting her multiple times.

He is violent. And the story we hear about, I think, why he was let off the force with the prostitutes and marching them down the street.

Something, that's, I kept on looking at that mom, like, what did you you do? What, what,

what happened to these children? That your mom is incredible.

The moms, these movies have, like, they will truly lose you, you know, and I'll be like, oh, what is this? This is crazy. And then something will happen.

And it, for me, was the scene where she's saying, get out, get out.

I was like, this is incredible.

What I'm watching is incredible. I don't know what it is.

This movie, I want, I know I've asked for this before, and we got just an absolutely phenomenal version from Avril, but this movie, more than any movie, needs a David Lynch trailer because there's the red-curtained room, there's all these Lynchian things.

This movie is weird, bro. Well, this is what I will say.

I want to talk about their fucked up relationship with women, but I will also just give a tip of the cap to Dolph Lundgren, who is he a good actor? I think he is.

Well, you know what, he is a good actor. He wins

no fights. He loses every fight.
He's an action movie star who loses every fight in the movie. He's so concussed throughout.

It's so hard, though. Like, he's, first of all, is obsessed with his journey.
He does stop drinking at one point. I hope we all know that.
Yes, and that he does and he doesn't.

He still has the flask in the later scenes that he's still pulling out. But when he gets into the fisherman's sweater sweater and the green coat, that is game over.
Yeah, outfits. And then like,

when he's in like full apré ski attire, I mean,

incredible driving a Jeep Grand Wagoneer in a white fisherman sweater and

a short jacket. I was like, we are in business.
Yeah. Tie me up, Shabari style dolph.
Yikes a micsa, what's up?

I mean, you know, stone cold hunk. He really,

like, nothing says I'm an undercover cop more than wearing a fisherman's sweater to a house of prostitution. Like, I mean, I'm just here to buy some sex from

wearing a transmitter. He's wearing like a wire or a transmitter, but it basically looks like they've just taken like the

transistor radio, opened it up, and pulled out the whole thing and just shoved it in his jacket. It's crazy looking.
And you're telling me this movie came out in 2000? Yes. No, that's not right.

But it was like shot in 86.

That's the great work of the production designer to make it look like a movie that was shot in 86. I do want to show you:

this is, let's see here. This is the scene with the fisherman sweater and him giving his order.
I'm blown away by this TV, by the way. Yeah.

That look, look at it.

Mark off the preferred activities list, Jack.

Well,

I'm pretty open.

Should we turn on closed captioning? You're not an edge. I'm just kidding.

No.

Let's go through some of these

discipline.

Sure.

Cross-dressing?

No.

Baby games?

No.

Bondage? No.

Yes. Yes.

Enemus? No.

Anal?

No. Tickling?

Maybe. Toilet training?

I'll have to think about that one.

Humiliation.

I've had enough of that this week. Humiliation?

No.

I'm gonna put you with Randy.

And here's the thing. She is filling out a form.
Like she is, there is a form that she is going to give to one of the sex workers. Like, here you go.
So we see a close-up of the form.

The form gets its own insert shot.

She's also wearing like half of a cat woman mask. Like it's...
She has like a Phantom of the Opera mask in that it's half, but it's like a Catwoman in shape. It's the 70s, baby.
But is it?

When is this taking? 77. 77.
Okay. Now, June, you were saying that like the relationship that he had had with his mom is very messed up.
And I agree.

I think that he enters this world where he's like, what is this? What is SM?

But the act that he performs, which is he gathers up a bunch of sex workers, makes them take off their shoes, walk in the rain, and sing Bible songs so they will be clean.

That's just said, like, oh yeah, I heard about that thing you did. That's fucked up.
That's a kink. I don't want to yuck his yum, but that is the

70s Boston.

Like, I didn't even know. That's just, you know what? That's present day Boston.
I just didn't understand what that was. Like, you can't say that and be like, oh, yeah, I identify with that character.

I got it. Yeah, yeah.
He wanted to make all the sex workers just get clean and sing songs to, you know, because they fear God.

He does explain it at the very end, but I was left even more confused because his explanation is like he wanted them, yes, to find some sort of redemption.

Although I guess he doesn't, you know, question the men who purchase the prostitution at all. That, I guess, is fine.

But, but then he says, but then I saw them and they're just

them and they're just people.

And then that's the end of that. Like, I couldn't.
Yeah, it's almost like it's some sort of baptism or some sort of like washing away their sins But that's fucked up. I mean, that's like

crazy fucked up. Like, he's like, I gotta, I guess I gotta baptize them.
I'm a cop.

The reason why he is fired is because he's rounded up women, made them walk in the street barefoot to get clean inside the 70s Boston cop. He's a villain.
Yeah, he is a villain. He's a villain.

He's also so dumb. Like the

scene that where he goes into not Jill Rips, but Jill Rips' sister's

lair

when he's there and he's

saying that Irene Rips, yeah. Oh, the nurse.
Wait, do we not Irene Rips? Francis Rips.

Okay, wait, are we? I just want to make sure that when we're talking about Jill,

you're talking about Mary O. I'm talking about.
Yeah. I'm talking about.
Hold on. You're referencing names.
You're talking about Francis Rips. Mary O.
Are you talking about Francis Reed?

I'm talking about Francis Reed. You got to do better for me.
You have to say, like, woman in nurse's costume, wife's brother's wife, or well, brother's wife is Jill Rips. Okay, that's correct.

I wanted to make sure. Okay, yes.
Okay. I went on Amazon x-ray.
Jill Rips is her name. Okay.
So Jill Rips' sister, Frances Ripps, or Frances Reed. Frances Reed is the name on the mailbox.
Yes. Got it.

She, when he's in her lair and he's set up the stinging operation with the cop who's outside,

I could not get over that he put himself in that position. What was his plan?

And I know he said, I'm going to call, I'm going to say boots, should things go sideways, but but why wait until the ball gag is in?

Like, why not be like, okay, I guess the ball gags? Boots, boots, boots, boots, boots, boots. You can get three boots while the ball gag is going on.

How are you letting yourself get tied up and placed upside down? Yeah,

like a championship shark. Like, he is like, you know, it's like, we caught him.

He is helpless. He cannot get out.
But by the way, though, he's seen multiple videos of other men in that very position. But he knew exactly what was going to happen.

But the cop is distracted by somebody coming over to him.

The guy that comes over to him is the guy in the bad wig with the Polish elephant.

That's what's even crazier.

Anyway, but I feel like that. So there's that scene, and the cop comes running in and he shoots Jill Rip's sister, and he's getting him down.
And, you know,

Dolph Longgrid Longriddy's blindfolded, he's got the ball gag, and he's like writhing, and

he's trying to say boost, boost, boost. And I really wanted the guy, he shoots the woman to come in, take the ball gag out, and have Dolph be going, like, I'm coming, I'm coming.

I mean, this, this,

get on.

And I know, and

I don't know, and this is where I'm always like curious. This movie was shot in 2000.

I just noticed her in the background. She blends in, she's camouflaged so well.

I mean, I appreciate the suit work. It must be a lot of talcum powder to get in there.
I mean, it's a very tricky thing to get in because it looks like a one-piece.

What I don't understand is, like, this movie does seem to under, well, I guess it doesn't understand SNM. It's got some understanding of SNM.

It's like the way that, like, sex is talked about in 50 Shades of Gray. It's like, we understand that this exists, but we're also fanficking some of it.

And, and I feel like this get up, is this something that has ever existed? You mean upside down? The upside down fishing net? Okay, no, this is called Shibari. This is a Japanese knot.

The rope and the knots are an actual thing. Okay.

The hanging upside down, I genuinely don't know. Anyone in the audience? It seems like, honestly, a lot of men are down for it in this movie.
Like, a lot of men willingly get upside down.

I'm certain there's somebody in the audience who can give us some sort of expertise.

Anyone want to speak?

Oh, you got you have a little all right here we go let's talk about it all right so i'll hold the mic all right hi so uh i traveled around the festival scene for a little bit and at this place called ignite there was this guy called hold on can i just ask what you said i traveled around the festival scene as if we all were like we are already i have so many questions already s m festivals

yeah so just just clue us in on that and then we yes so there was this festival called ignite where you can learn how to fire spin so i'm a fire spinner and there's also where you can learn how to do shabari and there was uh he was um the gentleman pirate, and he would actually tie you up.

And one time I got tied to a tree. So you were tied to a tree.

Now, like, what, like, is Shibari purely an S ⁇ M thing, or is that?

No, it's actually, it's just,

it's a lot of fun. And it's really,

it's a form of art, too. It doesn't really tie you up.
It's like, it's not knots. You can just take it out.

And that's the whole point of the fact that you can't tie up a samurai, but you can use a series of knots to subdue them. So especially when they're drunk, you can use that to subduce samurai.

Everything that you said is said so confidently. How many

that I'm like, have I missed?

Samurai. We are on the festival circuit.

I believe everything that you say, and I have no judgment to it. I just mean Renaissance.
I'm completely unaware. What kind of festival?

Fire spinning

festivals. So fire spinning.
Where are the, what's it? Wait, what's okay? No, Ignite.

It's called Ignite. Fire spinning.

What else is happening besides fire spinning at the festival? Oh, you learn how to joust. You can.

You're trending towards Renaissance spinning.

Joust? You learn how to joust?

Silks? Silks? Yeah, okay. Yeah, so you can do acrobats.
Okay, okay, okay. So Shibari is not, oh, it's just like human origami in a way.
Like you let your body be a part of a knot, a living knot.

Okay, that's right. Well, there we got some explanation.

I don't, I don't know. Thank you.

But it does seem from that explanation is pretty easy to get out. Yeah.

Has anyone ever,

and again, anybody else have we're in a safe space. Has anyone ever been hung upside down for an act of sex? No one judgment.
I don't want, I will judge, so don't.

I will. Or did you have a friend?

Who did and you know a lot about your friend? All right. So I do think this is a movie that does take some liberties here.

The thing that I did find interesting was when Jill Rips in the red bathrobe scene, we're not this scene, in the red bathrobe scene. One of the best scenes.
One of the best scenes on film. Yeah.

It's so long, but they,

I felt like a movie like this would have traditionally just, and so many of the movies that we've seen, would have put the

people that are involved in Shibari and BDSM and stuff in the villain category.

And they gave her so they gave Jill Rips all this time to explain to Dolph Lundgren the entire totality of what she's like experienced and all of this growth in a way that I was like, this is interesting that they're giving this much time to him getting educated to this.

And by the way, like she sold me on the experience. Oh, yeah.
So I was like, that sounds great. Oh,

I ordered rope after this movie. It's like, I like like what I'm hearing.

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Well, now I guess we just have to talk about one other thing, and then we can ask the big question of what is this movie about?

The other hanging thing in this movie is there is a guy, I believe he's the mayor, Big Jim, who's like, I'm going to bring a subway to this town. Very much like the music man.

And then they make a very big deal out of it, it's cold, though. It's really cold.
Like, are they digging in a Hoff? Like, what's going on?

They have to have a cold room because of something. I couldn't figure that out either.

But multiple of the fights take place in the cold room. I just don't understand why, like, what the subplot that underneath

this work for that guy. Yeah.

So they're bad guys, too. I thought they were mobsters, but you're saying he's the mayor? I think he's the kid.
I think he's the mayor. I gotta kiss a lot of ass, but I also build this.

He goes, I can bring in this city, this thing. I don't, big gym.
I think that what.

I think that Polish Elvis is. Oh, he's a construction magnet.
Yeah. Okay.
And he gets all the contracts.

But I think that Polish Elvis has his ear to the ground for SM workers and maybe prostitutes and other sex workers, or is there pimp? I'm not sure.

But either way, he's able to feed information on who those men are to Big Jim as collateral for him to. Oh, that's why they have the camera set up because that's the blackmail that Big Jim says.

Big Jim

paid attention. So

I was riveted. I was further confused by you continuing to call him the mayor.
And I was like, well, wait a minute. I thought he was like a bad guy.

Well, I mean, like, he, but he, like, in Boston terms, he's the mayor. Oh, yes.

Big Jim felt like a mayorial candidate. Like, I mean, but I did feel like I'm getting that confused with that new Daredevil show.
I feel like he's like, I want to bring the city a subway.

But I, you know, I like, there is something about. All right.
So now we've laid out all the major plot points. And now the question is, so what's the plot?

Well, and here's the thing that I don't think any of us understand because it does seem that Jill Ripp, that a lot is going on in the subway.

And that she somehow, there's a line about the cold never bothered me anyway, which is from Frozen. That's also in this movie.
And I was like, did Frozen take that line from this movie?

This movie is based on a book. This movie is based on a book and it's the same book that they based Frozen on.
Oh, wow.

No, seriously, I was like, just

like

Elsa was a victim of Shibari. Do you want to build a snowman? Do you want to be tied up in Shibari?

By the way, that's a great shirt. Just Olaf in Shibari upside down.

Does the cold never bothered me anyway?

But I didn't understand why she needed to be in the tunnels because it did seem like she was heading there at the end. Sorry, I just want to tag the shirt if you don't mind.
Okay.

I think it should say naughty K-N-O-T-T-Y Olaf. It should say naughty Olaf.

It was a good interruption, so that's a great interruption. I'm very sorry.

But

you're right.

What's going on? Why is she going back to the subway at the end?

There's no S ⁇ M place in the subway, right?

Not that I know. Is she going to kill Polish Elvis? Because she's killing.
That's true. She's killing all the men that she thinks could be the man that killed her mother, Mrs.
Rips.

Ribs? Rips. Mrs.
Rips. Rips.
Mrs. Rips.
Mrs. Rips.

Mama Rips. Mama Rips.
Mama Rips. Mama Rips.
Mama Rips. Do you think her name is Robin? We are trying to get that financed right now.
Mama Rips.

If everyone gives us $5 at the door, we will double the budget of this movie. It's a prequel story.
Do you you think her name is Jill Rips because she RIPs people?

Okay, so I thought about this. I thought about this headline so much because I was like, okay, why didn't they say Jill the Ripper? And then are they saying Jill Rips like Jill has just ripped?

Like Jill rips again. Yeah.
Is that what it was? Or are we calling her in the city Jill Rips? So, yeah.

Yeah. Is

she Jill the Ripper?

But then in the colloquially around town, Jill Rips. Just see.
Or Jill Rips got another another one.

Or is it just like she ripped again? Oh, oh,

I heard Kenny got ripped. Well, but

I heard Sully got ripped by Jill Rips. But like, that's how you would describe it.
It's not like Jack the killer, it's Jack the Ripper. Yeah.
Ripping up losers, right? You know, so

okay, wait,

who's this guy?

Ripping up losers, baby. Okay, wait, now it's Austin Powers.

But it's like, so yeah, she is ripping up, she's ripping up deviants.

What a weird headline. Okay, so she's killing anybody who could be the man who killed her mother.
Wait, so she killed her brother?

She killed her husband? Yes.

Wow.

Whoa.

Wow. Whoa.

This is wild.

I just

watched it with me in there.

There was a lot going on at her house when Paul watched the movie.

I watched it with me. But if the ending didn't, the ending didn't make that super clear.
He goes, did you get your man? She says

he.

He was, once she found out he had this. Well, first of all, the way they got together was confusing.
I don't know if she sought him out because he was into SNM or

if she was being honest in the bathrobe scene,

which was, oh, i was just in this relationship and then he revealed that he wanted this type of right i remember that yeah right so i don't but i don't know if that was very unreliable narrator to be clear so but what i do think is true is that he

was trying to ferry her off and her services to other men she says that yeah

i got that she says that and i do think that part is true and so then he needed to die yeah

because any but didn't she enjoy it for a little bit? Yes. I think she thought that they.
I'm not going, oh, me. She says it.

I'm just really, oh, I'm repeating the movie. I'm not saying she liked it.
Well, actually, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't know, though. I don't know because I said it.
I agree with Paul. I don't think she was asking me.
She said it.

I do think there's a world in which she was in that scene convincing him to be interested in SNM. To then help find the person.
That's what I thought.

And then I felt like I didn't get the, I didn't get the justification of like what changed. Because I feel like she was like, come on, do this.
And then that will help me do this.

And then, but why did she kill him? Why didn't she? Why did she? She didn't. You mean the brother? Yeah.

That's what I just said. Because

what I said, what I responded with was

because the brother was

the brother was like trying to,

you know, ferry her off to other men in his life. What I said, but she enjoyed it.
No, she didn't enjoy it. Oh, she didn't enjoy it.

She was willing to indulge his predilections, but once he was trying to pimp her out to other men, he became just that. I thought that's what she said.
No, no, she never said that.

That's what you wanted to hear.

I thought she was telling this thing.

You thought she enjoyed being like.

I didn't die. I'm not doing this thing.
I'm not disagreeable. I just thought I misheard it.

I was working on the fucking PowerPoints.

I was watching it and I was like, yeah, I get it. She liked it.
Big deal. Let's go.

And then I thought Polish Elvis was like, you got to kill your husband because I got some dirt on you. I would have believed that.
Like, that's the thing is,

it wasn't.

The reveals came so late

and so stacked on top of each other that they, I agree with you. It is very difficult to, because multiple people are revealing things that are then proven to be wrong.

Right. And Dolph Lundgren is not.

really letting us in on his process of detective work because he's mostly just having his ass kicked forward into the next plot point, and he leaves that plot point usually unconscious.

Well, then, then let me ask one.

Well, I'm revealing myself here, and

I know that maybe the last 10 minutes of this movie was a little rushed for me, and I did rewatch with you, and I feel comfortable asking this,

but I'm nervous about asking.

Okay, so just so

you know, at the beginning of tonight, at the beginning of tonight, I heard you ask the question. So, who we're going to find out who is Jill Ripps? No,

I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page of who Jill Rips was. Okay.
Because there's no Jill Rips. I mean, it's just her.

But she's not Jill.

Right?

She's not. Oh, I know.
She's not, like, her name isn't Jill. No.

I think

the woman in red, who is also the brother's wife. Wait, which red? There are two women.
The full leather red. Full leather

is Jill Ripps' sister. See, I know.
Oh, right. Yes.
Sorry. Yes.
That's Jill Rips' sister, who actually does have blonde hair. So, but that person didn't kill

Jill Rips' husband? No,

no. But I thought that

Irene did. But it was in that space.

It was in that space the same way. Yes.

So

you could think, oh, maybe because Polish Elvis was there at the behest of Big Joe, that maybe Big Joe and Polish Elvis convinced

red leather woman Frances Reed to kill the brother. And that's the misdirect the movie is setting up.
Got it.

But when Dolph goes to the house and rips the boxes open and finds the blonde wig, he realizes she has been going into her sister's apartment and killing men who she thinks are bad men.

Yeah, but the other way we know this.

To what end?

Thank you, somebody for getting my.

If she could kill every bad man in the world, the man who killed her mother will have been killed.

Wow. Uh,

boy? Come on.

Okay, so then. It's pretty easy, guys.

I'm just kidding. It makes no sense.
So then.

All right, so then I'm going to open myself to one more question. This movie is like, what if Terrence Malik made one of these movies?

Well, then my question is this.

Is Jill Rips dead at at the end?

No, okay, good. No, I thought that was the case.

But Dolph Lundgren does think, oh, maybe she... No, no, no, that's the scene before.
Okay, yeah.

Because, you know, he has that moment with her in the ice tunnel. Yeah.
Which, again, I don't understand why. And she delivered a powerful monologue in that scene.

It's sort of like America Farrar's monologue at Barbie.

I love that. But better? But better? Probably a little better.

I mean, here it is. Yeah, I mean, I will play a second of it.
Here we go.

Like, wait a second. Can you go back? Can you go back? I'm so sorry.
Does he need to turn the flashlight on?

Look how close. He has a gun on her, and he's so close.

He doesn't have to be like, is it hurt?

What I would also say is, as someone who's gotten a flashlight in my eyes, she's got great eye control. Incredible.

Wide open, like not even worried. Wait a minute.
Is he holding a flashlight?

His other hand. One hand is holding a gun.

Okay,

if he's holding a flashlight below the gun, there's no way it's getting her at that angle. But why is it so bright behind him? Yeah.

Like, if it's that bright behind him, he's backlit, which means the light from behind him is hitting him. He's gonna be on her.

He doesn't need a flashlight. It looks cool, though, with the flashlight.
It's cool as hell.

That's why this movie is awesome because it's absolute moron nonsense, but it's great.

All right, so here's her monologue.

So are you? I'm a murderer.

What about the people who murdered me? Hang on.

You can take me after the murder. You don't know it's Kajavia.
It doesn't matter. He sells women.
He's as bad as those who buy them. All those who are dead?

Those who would steal the soul from somebody who is at their lowest point?

It could have been any of the men who are dead now. That's not enough.

You don't have the rights. No! I don't have any rights.

Same as when my mother was beaten to death and nobody bothered to look for her killer because she was a whore.

Same as when my new father decided I could be a daughter and a mistress.

Same as when your brother decided I wasn't good enough unless I accommodated his friends.

There seems to be no end to the rights that I don't have.

You go in.

Why do you come here?

No, I read.

Why do you push Elvis?

She runs right at him. She runs right in.

He's got it up high.

She can see it even in the fog. Polish Elvis only carries large weapons.
He has a silver shovel that I've never seen so clean. So clean.
He just bought it from the hardware.

You know what? That's the moment that I needed to re-watch. You, I did not see that.
We did not rewatch that.

And that is a pivotal moment. And this is the reason why I didn't want to re-watch three minutes of ads to rewind it.
I was like,

my question is: she has come here to kill Polish Elvis. Yeah.
In fact, Dolph kills him. She gets conked on the head and now disappears.
And we don't ever.

Is Polish Elvis just in the cold room, like taking a cold plunge? Well, he works there because he works for Mayor Joe. Yeah, he's just got to check on the tunnels.

But I mean, it seems like it seems pretty late at night. Who knows? And it also seems like the worker, and then they make a whole big deal.

Like, the workers even have to take a break because it's so cold in there. But how come we never find out why he wears that wig?

Did

it was

an improvised line that's an improvised line

because i think what was supposed to happen i think maybe it was this scene that he was we were supposed to just see both of their heads fighting and both of their hair next to each other in the smoke and dolph lunggren like trying to figure out where to shoot

and that just i agree

i i have a feeling this is what happened they they go wow we got this guy polish office He's got a great voice, great, great look. Then he gets a set and he has the same haircut as Dolph Lunger.

I'm like, shit.

We can't have Polish Elvis have the same haircut. You got to make him wear a wig.
And then this guy's like, you're making me wear a wig? This is my fucking life. You can't hide my face.

Then he gives a shitty performance, like, well, now we got to dub him. So now you got this guy in a wig who talks like he's in a movie that is an old school kung fu movie.
He talks very weird.

And so I think that that's what's going on. I do believe that he was given a wig for some set, like some reason.
Because he goes, nice wig.

Why? I felt like the wig was going to come off and the accent would have been revealed to be fake because he's in fact

somebody else. I thought that it was going to be Jill Ripps.

Thank you.

I would have loved it if

one person to get my back, and that's it. In Polish Elvis, if it's revealed that Jill Ripps is the enforcer, the

enforcer for Mayor Joe, that would be incredible that's what i would like to have seen did anyone else notice that when they are investigating one of the murders that happens in the lair in jill rips's lair and and the the cops are in there and another man's died and

um the weapons are on top of him And one of them, one of the sex instruments, it looks like some sort of a probe, has an insane amount of hair on it.

Am I the only one who saw that?

So much hair. There was a lot of grisly imagery.
Oh, the head. The head.
The head. The squashed head, the chopped up body.

When he bursts into that apartment and Mary is like cutting a guy's legs with a straight razor, and then they're like, hey. And the guy's like, hey, what do you do? I thought this was a cool place.

I was like, this man would be screaming in pain. He doesn't.

When they describe the way that, like, the truck driver, like, yeah truck driver just accidentally ran over he was already dead truck driver just ran over his head because he's delivering some melons to the fucking supermarket you know yeah he's bummed out of course but the guy is dead he didn't really do anything he just fucking ran over a dead body no big deal it was like what is this like like clearly they only had like a head that was already busted it's like it's not even part of the plot i could this movie doesn't obey and i don't know here's i don't know what genre this is like do you have the dream sequence?

Okay, I want to talk about this dream sequence. Where did this come from?

Why aren't there four more of these in the movie?

I thought this was nuts and so visually arresting.

Well, like, he's walking.

I don't even know if I have that. Okay.
I don't know if I have that scene.

He's being dragged. He's tied in Shibari rope.
He's being dragged across like an icy road. His face and chest are all bloody.
And the the Polish Elvis is dragging him, right?

Well, I don't know if he's gonna see it. No, the dot, no, the dominatrix is on the hill above.
He's still like a like Batman or a cat

standing on a thing. Like it's a die antward video or something.
I was like, what the fuck is this?

This is like the band, the fever. Give me this all day, every day.

It really was so watchable.

I agree. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.
And I had no idea what was going on, but I found it so compelling. Well, now, I do know, and Pete, the S-Men, he brought the original novel.

What's the original title of the novel? It says Jill Rips. Jill Rips.
Okay, because this movie was called Jill Rips.

Well, the original script was very close to the novel, and then they kind of deviated far from it.

The novel had been described as harrowing. Grim poetic vision makes it the best novel of its kind for years.
The Sunday Times said that it's violent and vicious and brutal, and

its

tale is bedded down in an imagination like a succubus. And the Daily Express called it a tautly and skillfully written, genuine, can't put it down, turn off the telly-read.

And the person who wrote the novel, Frederick Lindsay, said that this movie is a travesty of good

of a good and serious novel.

The script as the book was set in present day,

and then they changed that to make it the 70s. And, you know, he said the 70s is is when the SNM scene was actually more alive.
And then the other thing was this movie is also called Tied Up.

Okay.

Jill Ripps is like a later.

I don't mind Jill Ripps. I mean, it makes zero sense.
Tied up is a little bit better. Tied up is a better movie.
And you maybe have like, you know, Dolph Lundgren with like a phone, like, tied up.

Can I ask you a question?

When Dolph Lundgren and Jill Ripps have their sex scene, not the tied up upside down, but the sex scene in the room where they're careening all over the place, is that in the mom's house?

No, that's at a hotel. It's in a hotel.
Okay, okay.

Yeah.

I tuned out for a second, tuned back in, and I was like, this is a loud sex scene. Is the moment?

It didn't look pleasant to me, that sex scene. I didn't like it.
I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it either.

I thought it was great.

Fun little fact about that dream sequence or that knocked-out sequence, and he's unconscious and feeling like he's going to get all cut to pieces.

Dolph Lundgren insisted that he shoot his stuff inside, and then they made that actress shoot all of her stuff outside in the freezing cold. Oh, my God.

Not in the same scene.

So let's go to the audience. Let's do a question.
I have a question: maybe we can take it to the audience. Why?

Okay, why were the tapes being dropped off to the police department?

Unclear. As blackmail.
I I think as

to say, hey, we have blackmail on you.

Blackmail on the police department?

They got blackmail on everything. Yeah.

Because I know, I know

the tape of the snuff film that

they all go in and watch. Yes.
Together.

Why is that tape dropped off there? Yeah.

Right, but who sent them that reel to reel, do we think?

Because the guy comes in, he's like we got another tape of the murder what what it must have been polish elvis well polish elvis is sending those tapes in he is so sometimes he's easy to why why wouldn't that make it bad for them

maybe they just have an excess of tapes they're like you know what we've run out of black male material because that's like at one point when you know he's driving that limo or doing donuts in the parking lot and dollaring around did you kill my brother

i don't need i didn't need to i didn't need to i already got what i needed on that guy that was a real thing, I feel like.

And again, I feel like this movie, I'm just going to, it's, I guess, representing the 70s, but I think it's an 80s movie.

Just to drive someone out of control, makes them reveal all secrets. Just to be like, there's a madman behind the wheel.
I'll tell you anything you want to know.

It also seems like Dolph Lundren would kill himself. Like, as a bad guy.
That's always the question. Yeah, to give the bad guy, you have to be like, well, I don't think he's going to kill himself.

No, he's too handsome.

All right, uh, yes, your name and your question. I'll hold the mic.
My name's Hank. Uh, my question is about Mario, who we mentioned briefly before.

Um, he breaks and enters upon Mario three different times. Yeah, at the end of the movie, he frames Mario.
He's left scot-free.

My question is, how are we supposed to morally like reconcile what happens to Mario? Because he shoots her in the chest after breaking and entering. By the way, it's a brutal death.

She does shoot first.

She shoots twice at him in self-defense.

Well, but here's actually how we can come to terms with it morally.

He adopts her dog.

Wow. And

seems to have a very nice relationship with the dog at the end, which I was very relieved by.

All right, so, sir, what's your name? David. David, all right, so you are carrying a copy of Jill Rips.
Whoa.

Actually, hang on. Raise the book up if you came here with Jill Rips.
Okay, it's only these two weirdos.

Okay.

Okay, you two weirdos can talk after.

It's a big book. It is a big book.
All right, so what do you want to share about this? Well, the book sort of explains why it's so cold in the tunnel, which they don't address in the movie, which is

they're freezing the ground to make the ground more stable,

to excavate it.

Sure, why not? Great.

Anything else? I'm curious, is there a... Murder the dog in the book? He strangles the dog, sadly.
So I was happy that the movie changed that. And the part that makes more sense is the.

The dog liked it. Don't worry about it.
It was all in London. So the murders happened on Jack the Ripper's murder dates.
And it was in London. So that was why it was Jill the Ripper.

The book is in London? Yeah. And so obviously when they cast Dolph Lundgren, they're like, oh, he can't be British anymore.
So they changed like everything, and then nothing makes sense anymore.

Well, maybe they thought it was Dolph London.

Why then keep it be? Why have it be about Jack the Ripper? Why not have it be about, if you're going to relocate it to Boston, the Boston Strangler? Why not have it be called like Jill Strangles?

And also, he,

in the book, he doesn't drink and he just drinks tea.

Wow.

I don't mind that.

Pete, the S-Men, do you have any more facts? Dude, how do you mind that? Do you have any book facts as we go to the book part of the show? Well, Malcolm is the brother.

Dolph Lundgren's brother. His name is Malcolm.
Does not die in the book. What?

So

what's the exciting incident? What starts the whole thing? I mean,

there's so much. I mean, let's just, I'm going to let out the big one right away, is that

Polish Elvis Kajavi, he is the father of Jill the Rips.

Oh,

whoa, whoa. Wait, did now do you mean alike? Do you mean they're father and daughter? So that's why they look alike? Yeah.

Oh.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Wait a second. Follow-up questions.

When you say father,

you don't mean Mr. Reed's father, who adopted her and had sex with her.
No, her biological father. The mother

who had the two girls, one of them is Irene, who is Jill the Rips in the movie.

She had,

this woman had two

males, two husbands, and one of them was Polish

Polish Elvis. And Polish Elvis did kill her.
That's what was also so weird. So that this, the end of the movie, she has successfully found the man that killed killed her mother.

Yeah, they did it actually. It's a biological father.
I believe, because at a certain point, the book and the movie are crisscrossing.

The murder happened in, what's the woman?

The woman, the nurse out there, Mario. Mario.
It happened in her. She gets, they kill her, and then they lured him.

uh Polish Elvis into got it and Dolph Lundgren's character was trying to stop her and say like let's just arrest him she's like no I'm gonna kill him wow yeah it seems like here's what happened that isn't like that why would you throw it away?

And I've got to ask David, why didn't you mention any of that?

I did have some questions for David Adams. David, you had first crack at book knowledge, and you gave us crumbs.
He's telling us about

why we're stabilizing the grounds of Boston to put it in the future. You're giving us, I mean, yeah, I'm grateful for

the cold room info. Thanks.
But wow, wow, wow. We've been asking the whole podcast, like, why are they in the same wave?

David walks so Pete could run. I mean, that's, you know, he set us up.
I do want them to get a picture afterwards in the courtyard, please. All right, yes.

Here we go. Let me get a person.
You can come over here. What do you got? I'm Corey, and I was curious if

you all felt that there were some Lynchian elements thrown into this for just like for the sake of, oh, this is weird. This is just what we're going to show.
This is like,

why the hell not?

And also if they pitched it to lundgren as hey man this is your cruising this is your pacino moment you get to do your cruising it definitely felt like he was doing a pacino he was in the first half of the movie he is doing a different performance than the second half of the movie

like fully and it's he's doing stuff in those in those early scenes at the funeral at the wake he's doing he's he's wasted all the time it's really it's a whole performance say that i never felt like he was pushing.

I never, I was very, I really didn't. I was like, this is an interesting performance.
I don't understand it, but I'm, I believe it. I believe that this is a strange man acting really weird.

I will say, as far as the Lynchian tropes, that to me reeks of budget because, like, there are moments when they're in like the SM, you know, house or whatever, you know, whatever the location is, where it's just like a cage, red light, open spaces, like the tunnels, a lot of smoke, nothing discernible, lights are off.

I think

it is actually, I agree with Paul, it is accidentally lynching. Yeah, and it is we've got some red GoPos and tweenies, and we can make that work.

Also, there are scenes where it's like real fuzzy, where it's like moody and weird in a way that I'm like, oh, this is just out of focus, and this is what they had to use.

I don't necessarily think it's always purposeful, but I do think it cuts together into a pretty compelling movie. Did anyone else notice that I think I'm right here?

I almost went back and re-watched, but I didn't. But in this sex scene, she, first of all, full frontal nudity, the movie is not what you think at points.
And

he rips her jeans down. I thought she was either not wearing underwear or wearing like very dark underwear.
Then, like in the post-coital scene, she gets up, and I believe she's wearing his underwear.

Is she?

That's when you know you have good sex, when you swap underwear.

Wow, it's like that scene in Zoolander when they have like the model off and he pulls the underwear off it. Like, that's what you do.

If you have good sex, you get your underwear on somebody else, and they don't even know. It takes her so snugly.
I feel like, and I don't know how you feel, and I am curious, June, specifically.

I'm rooting for Dolph and Jill Rich.

Like, I want them to be together at the end.

Like, first of all, like, bad, me too.

And I felt like that was another sort of miss with the movie, sort of, it got there, but they have, again, in the red robe scene, they are connecting very intimately.

And I thought the sex scene was great. I was like, really?

Yes, Pa. Wait, I'm curious.
I'm I'm curious. I thought it was crazy.

I'm just curious. Who,

like, from the audience, who, I guess, round of applause if the sex scene worked for you?

Okay, didn't work?

Interesting. A lot of people sitting on their hands.
A lot of people like... Yep.

I say, I know a trap when I see one.

This is a trap. They sat out trap election.

They sat out. It seemed to me.
Why did you clap?

It seemed that they were the only two people in the world who could really understand each other.

And they were meant to be together. I guess I love this movie.

Yes!

June and I, I'm here to say Team Fred is also team Mr. and Mrs.
Rips.

And I guess, Paul, that's your, because you don't believe that they are connected. You are team sanity is.
Oh, no, no. I'm just saying I just felt that.

I think you were grossed out by the sex scene because it was in a disgusting hotel room, which I did think about. I did think about it.
I think I just felt like.

Oh, she touched her bare butt to the TV. Yeah.

I

feel like I've honestly get tested.

All I'll say is I thought the sex scene,

I felt like there was a lot of pent-up aggression there, and I felt like he was definitely more in a position of power. And I wanted her to get, I thought she was getting in there.
Oh, yeah.

Oh, she was getting in. She, oh, yeah, she's she.
I mean, remember, she is a murderer, right? True. All right, what's your question? Let me ask you this.
I'm curious about this. I really

loved all of the different setups that when he would burst into Mary's apartment, she was always in a session. She's the one I mentioned with the cutting the man's leg, which I didn't appreciate.

But the one that really got me was the guy who's tied up with his head in the oven.

Who I'm just like, what is this guy's Sylvia Plath kink?

He's like, Ted Hughes is just really riding me.

I gotta check out.

That's an SP. These are my Sylvia Plath jokes.
SP. That's

P, SNM, SNM, SMP. Yeah, SP.

Obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Hi, I'm Cat. All right.

Irene wants to thank you for giving her her some time to breathe. Dolph was waiting so damn patiently while she got it together, while she binded some boys.
Oh, yeah.

Don't say to look, but never touch to Big Jim, slap your girl. So now we are stabbing mans and making plans.
And it's lucky for me you understand just what a girl runs, what a jill wants.

Whatever second opinions help to set you free. And I'm thanking you by giving you five stars.
What a Jill rips. What a Jill needs.
Whatever keeps that dog from killing me.

And I'm thanking you for that second opinion.

Yeah, give it up. Great job.

Great. Great.

Wow, wow, wow.

Surprisingly, not that many second opinions on Jill Rips.

Nine.

Nine

reviews

might be

an all-time low.

Nine total reviews.

Here's a twist. All in German.

Was this a wait, is Dolph Lunger in German? No. No.

He could be.

Out of those nine, 47% are five star.

0% are one stars.

Well, I'll just get into it.

This one is from Bianca.

Bianca titles the review, Exciting Thriller with S ⁇ M Background.

At some point, I have reviewed the youth version of this movie. However, the 18 plus version is a lot better.

I have questions.

Bianca goes on to describe the movie and then says, There are totally humorous passages in this film. For example, Matt's visit to the SM studio.
Simply delicious.

A really worthy seeing movie. Five stars.

That's very German.

Then we get from Son of Winslow. Now, this is how you make a sleazy psychosexual thriller.
Ty West, take notes.

Feels like a Skinamax-infused episode of Batman shot in Estonia circa 1999.

This person has a spec script.

Now, I will say Dolph Lundgren did have some thoughts. Great.

We hit the Wayback Machine on Dolph Lundgren.com as he wrote a blog post about it.

And Dolph wrote, this is the first time I did a thriller. Doesn't have as many action scenes as my films normally do.

At one point, I end up hanging upside down, being molested by this leather-dressed woman with a whip. She is the killer.
And of course, it's kind of tough for me to self-defense.

But she's not the killer.

Let's be clear. He's also misunderstood the movie.

This is from the words of Dolph here. She is the killer.
And of course, it's kind of tough for me to solve the mystery from that position, but somehow I managed to do it anyway. No!

He doesn't.

On this picture, I spent a lot of time rehearsing because a lot of the scenes had more dialogue than other films I've done. It's a good experience to really work on the performance.

I discovered you could get a lot out of a picture without carrying the biggest machine gun around, so to speak.

I love it.

I love it.

I want to start calling things pictures again. I like calling things.

Is that an analyst? Oh, I was talking about the pictures with my analyst the other day.

The one interesting fact is that Tom Behringer was attached to star in this,

but dropped out. And then Dolph came in, and the director says it's Dolph's best acting to date.
Agreed.

But apparently,

Dolph and the producer argued way too much because Dolph really liked to do dissolve transition edits for the film.

And

at one point, they did say that he gave 378 editing notes.

Okay, by the way, you two described that opening sequence of those kids watching with the police boats right there. I thought that was a dissolve.
I think it was. It definitely was.
Oh, it is? Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, okay. Then I'm then I looked away or I didn't know that.
Okay.

I just wanted to be clear. Yeah.
That was one of Dolph's dissolves.

I didn't know about the other double D's in this movie.

A couple of these editing notes, which I thought were funny. Dolph made them reshoot the cemetery scene, which is all of 20 seconds because he didn't think his face was in it enough.
And then

they did a lot of editing. Apparently, the bathrobe scene was eight pages.
They got that down to three.

I would love to see the full cut of it. Yeah.
Oh, it was still at least eight minutes long. Yeah.
Yeah. So, I mean, imagine.
I couldn't believe how long that scene was. That was incredible.

So, that's where Dolph got in there. And they're very upset because the original scene of Dolph

getting cut up by the woman in his like passed out dream was a lot more violent, but they thought that made the movie too dark. I also released the Dolph cut.
Yeah.

Release the double, the DC. Release the DC.
Well, I mean, I think, you know, are there any final thoughts? I mean, we know that this is one of the best movies that Dolph has done. This movie rips.

This movie does rip.

I couldn't believe, I guess I was just watching it and I was like, wow, we have more work to do. You know, there's

for a movie, for this movie to have been out there

and to have not known about for us to only now be finding about cold ground.

I mean,

for us to only now, 15 years in, be finding out about Jill Rips, like truly one of the greats. When we started this podcast, the movie was 10 years old.
How is that possible?

What world are we living in?

Oh, we're living in Jill Rips' world.

You know, I loved it. I mean,

I cannot recommend this enough. So, we highly recommend that you watch Jill Rips, even though there is no Jill.

The book does not help, but it does give us some details and the background of it. The movie was made in 2022.

Well, no, just joking.

So, that's it. Guys,

wow.

We ripped it.

What a great show. Great to be back at Largo.
What a crowd. Thank you to everybody who showed up.
And remember, you can find us anywhere you want online at HDTGM.

A big thank you to our producers, Scott Saney and Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer Averill Halley, as well as our engineer, Casey Holford. We'll see you next week on Last Looks.

Bye for now.

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