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Hello people of Earth

And hello people of Largo

We are live here at Largo at the Coronet, our LA home one of the best theaters here in Los Angeles And we are so excited to talk to you tonight about a movie that can be barely called a movie.

The Wraith.

Charlie Sheen, Sherilyn Fenn, Randy Quaid,

Nick Cassavetes,

and of course, Ron Howard's brother.

It is a great,

great

film, and we have a lot to say about it.

But first, please welcome my co-host, Jason Manzukes.

Welcome.

What's up, jerks?

How's everybody doing?

I'm going to be honest.

You guys seem quiet for a 10 p.m.

show.

Not enough drunk people.

They'll all be coming in in five minutes of the podcast.

Oh, shit.

I know it's 10:30.

So, Jason, before the show started, I was saying to the audience that I remember the cover boxes movie when I worked at Blockbuster.

Did you?

I had

no concept of this movie.

Okay.

And I don't know how it escaped me because it's got like a bunch of my favorite stuff in it.

Yeah.

Dodges.

Yep.

Sherilyn Fenn's boobs.

She got naked a lot.

She got naked a lot.

It was wild.

Chucky Sheen.

Yeah, Chucky Sheen.

So good.

Pre-platoon.

I didn't know this movie.

And I mean, like, this is like, I don't know how it escaped me because I feel like it's straight into when I was a kid.

Yeah, the age that you would be.

Yeah, you would want to watch a movie about.

It doesn't matter.

Who cares?

I'm going to be honest.

This is a giant who cares.

Well,

We'll talk about it all.

We can.

Or not.

I don't care.

This show will just be all of us having brunch up here.

It'll just be

casual conversation.

We have Chardonnay.

Today is a How Did This Get Made all-star show, which means that instead of having the wonderful, talented June here, we are going to have one of the amazing, hilarious guests of previous episodes.

You remember her from an episode called The Phantom with Billie Zane.

She has been on other episodes as well.

She's a very funny stand-up comedian.

She works for the James Cordon Show.

Please welcome Eliza Skinner.

Woo!

Yeah!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Welcome back.

You did, you did the Phantom with us, and you also did, didn't you do that right?

Safe House.

Yes, Safe House.

Oh, classic rock.

And we all had a moment at the end.

Well, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry that we are dragging you through these movies.

No, man, I would have been watching them anyway.

Wraith, any,

did you know about it before?

I didn't, and I'm shocked.

I also, like, so many of my favorite things.

When I was a little girl, I had like a huge little girl boner for Charlie Sheen.

Because my good taste goes back way far.

I had a great little boy boner for Clint Howard.

Yeah, exactly.

Sure.

By the way, I think.

But Clint has a blonde, I don't know.

Clint Howard in this movie, who's doing his like best version of Eraserhead.

Everyone in this movie was in a different movie.

Clint Howard is my favorite part of this movie.

Before we bring out our special guest today, I'll say the...

Make him wait.

But Clint Howard, though, is always like a very quick scene in every movie.

So my thought is we should make him longer in these movies because he does deliver consistently.

I feel like this is the longest Clint Howard performance I've ever seen.

I really want there to be a Clint Howard Brian Doyle Murray movie.

By the way, how about they just remake the trip that Steve Coogan von Riddy?

Like, just have

them in a car

going through the countryside.

Perfect.

I would love to see that.

I feel like Clint Howard went through the script and just put exclamation points at the end of every one of his lines.

And I was like, now it's a movie.

You lose the race!

You lose your car!

Okay,

the first one, the Dragonfire Crossing wins.

You lose the race!

You lose your car!

By the way,

what is it?

It's a race!

You know!

Him putting exclamation points there, I would argue, is probably more than any of the other actors did.

That simple act.

We have a very special guest tonight.

This guy, you know him from the CISO show, Bajillion Dollar Properties, and the brand new show in which he stars, Shrink.

Please welcome Tim Baltz.

Boltz!

Tim, welcome to the show.

Very excited to have you.

So excited to be here to talk about this pilot shit movie.

Well, let me ask you the same question.

Did you know anything about the Wraith before it was assigned to you?

I had the older brother of one of my friends had the VHS,

and he was like, don't watch it.

It sucks.

So we never watched it.

That kid is a fucking idiot.

Because I'm going to go on record as saying this movie was fucking awesome.

Heavy into this movie.

I was into it.

This movie to me is...

It's like...

Like an art gallery more than a movie.

It's like it's images.

It's an art gallery?

Sound and movement.

You know, that art gallery.

There's just something going on.

It doesn't co-like, I don't feel like it works as a movie.

I'd be like, oh, that's a cool image.

That's an interesting idea.

That's an interesting character.

That's a cool costume.

But they all feel like a million other people.

It was like, oh, yeah, I went to an art gallery.

Here's 10 different paintings.

I like all of them, but there's no thing that collects them together besides that they're all in one place.

Yeah, people are making real strong choices, though.

I feel like

all these different actors in this were like, I'm gonna fix it.

I got this.

And just like did something super weird.

Well,

the movie starts off, and this is where I thought it was an alien movie.

I thought, right out of the way,

these little orbs, kind of similar to Solar Babies, another movie that we did here in the show, are racing down the highways, paying attention to the roads.

Not just flying across the country, curving with the roads.

And four of them, which is another odd thing, four of these balls of light converge to create a Dodge car.

That's how they make them.

I mean, that makes sense.

But it's interesting, too, because it's like, but you know what?

Dodge used to be made by American workers.

Jason, do not

outsource to the heavens.

Where they were assembled by wraiths.

You know what?

I don't want these wraiths coming.

Why don't we build a wall?

Jason, come on now.

But there is something weird about this.

I mean, not that this is the thing I'm gonna hang my hat on about.

It doesn't make sense, but.

It is a nice hat, though.

Thank you.

It's from Jimmy Duranty.

Put a bra on her.

Decidedly an alien-esque opening.

Like, there's nothing here.

Like, for the longest time, I'm like, this is an alien.

I thought that as well.

Yeah, where are they coming from?

Obviously, some kind of foreign place.

And then they come together to make this Dodge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who doesn't, to me, didn't seem like, I mean, well, I guess they reveal that there's a driver to it who's all.

Yeah.

I had a lot of confusion

in this movie that I loved.

Yeah.

And a lot of it centered around, I didn't understand why Charlie Sheen had to be in the get-up as the driver of the car.

Wait, Charlie Sheen was the driver of the car?

Okay.

Well,

this is the interesting thing.

I mean, so basically, just because I think we have to talk about this movie, we have to just kind of get the plot out.

So, Charlie Sheen

was

a guy who looks similar to Charlie Sheen,

who was badly murdered,

and now has come back as a Wraith who drives a kick-ass car and is murdering all the people that were involved in his death.

Yeah.

Also, a motorbike.

But he also is a high school student who's riding like

a motorcycle and is reconnecting with the girlfriend that he had just finished fucking when

he was murdered.

And the brother that he pretends to not know.

Yes.

But he's dislike.

But Charlie Sheen

in the flashbacks does not play that character no so that character is another actor he is like an angel of death well but here revenge doesn't he at the end say like this is the closest i could get yes

he basically does well here's an interesting thing about the movie

charlie sheen booked platoon right when this movie started production

so he couldn't play the other version of himself He was supposed to play both parts.

But if that's true, then it makes this movie make zero sense.

Immediately.

Because immediately upon arrival, everybody would be like, oh my God, it's you.

Yeah.

Well, and also, wasn't Johnny Depp up for it and like there?

Because he was dating Sherilyn Finn at the time.

Yeah, Johnny Depp was dating Sherilyn Finn, but I didn't hear anything that he was up for it as much.

He was up for one of the gang members.

Yeah, okay.

Oggie.

So he was not.

Yeah, so he was just having sex with Sheryl and Finn in a hotel.

One of the facts I read was like, he lived with the crew in the crew motel, which sounds like,

I don't know, like, why I don't know why it was a distinction.

Like, you know, like, as if Nick Cassavetti is like, I live in the fancy hotel here.

But no, but if Charlie Sheen was supposed to play both parts,

then I guess maybe it would be creepy when he came to the town.

Like, we killed him.

Well, what was weird is like

tips and nobody in an 80s movie would know when he's in the hot tub with Sharilyn Finn or the hot spring or whatever it is He has the scars on his back of the murder that was done to him She straight up doesn't notice.

Well, I was worried about that

you were worried about it.

I was worried about it

I was worried

I was worried about it because I thought like oh well this is gonna everyone's gonna know who this guy is right and the element of surprise is gone and then these guys are gonna think think, like, oh, that's the guy that we brutally murdered in front of his ex-girlfriend.

Right.

Who doesn't remember it?

Conveniently doesn't remember it.

Well,

I don't think it's a spoiler, but they do put a blanket over her head right away.

Okay.

And punch her in the head.

They punch her in the head.

Like, we repeatedly show them punching Sherilyn Fenny in the head.

But why?

And I mean, there's so many different suspects in town it could have been.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Especially the first time they're at the creek and Charlie Sheen is there, and he's like staring at her, and Cassavetes is there.

He's the bad guy.

They're staring at him.

They're like, oh, don't get caught by this bad guy.

And you're like, well, it can't be that obvious.

He's not the villain, right?

Nope.

Flashback to the brutal murder where he is the killer.

Immediately.

So all of a sudden, you're like, oh, oh, all right.

Well, we know where this is headed.

Well, and it's also so bizarre because

they kill her boyfriend.

And then it seems like immediately he's into this like kidnapping dating that they do.

Like they don't, they're not dating.

I can't think you're kidnaps her every

day after work.

That's like every day after work.

I'm kidnapping you.

That's the part of the movie that's like a bad fairy tale.

The whole Nick Cassavetes and his crew felt like a bad Greece sequel to me.

Like like what if Danny Zucco went evil?

There were punks.

They were a weird mix of like punks.

Like some of them looked like high school ska band members, and then others looked like future Goldman Sachs execs.

I'll be honest, I know we haven't even, we've only scratched the surface of the actual plot of this movie still, but for me, the whole movie was Gutter Boy.

Uh-oh.

Gutter Boy and Skank.

Skank, I could have.

Skank, I could have cared or not.

But Gutter Boy, really, there was a...

Oh, Skater, I mean, sorry.

Yeah, there was like a real heart there, you know?

I was like, what's going to happen to Gutter Boy?

And I think we all know.

The most compelling love story to me was Gutterboy and Skank.

That is true, yeah.

Bought a duck butter out at the lake today, Pack.

Quick City, here I come.

See that guy over there?

The one with Billy Hankins?

What about him?

Looks like a dork to me.

A lot of dorks going around these days, Skank.

Whole town seething with him.

He's crawling out of the woodwork for him.

Shut up.

Okay.

Guys, that motorbike over there.

You see him or Billy around Carrie?

I want to know about it.

Aw, shit.

Pack, I'd rather be working on the cars than.

Hey, hey, we'll remind the cog stacker.

Use her influence, hey, guys.

Get rid of that zombie piss you're drinking before it turns you into a mushroom.

No problem.

Zombie pissed already dorks.

Is he drinking gasoline?

He's doing hydraulic acid in one scene because it's a jug that says hydraulic acid.

Yeah, and he like he like sprays a like a can of like WD-40 into his nose at one point.

He does offer it around usually.

Well, it's interesting that you bring up...

Again, I don't know if I know exactly the difference between them, but

Gutter Boy, I think, is doing an impression of James Dean.

Our resident video expert, Averyl Halley, put this together here.

This is basically

Gutter Boy.

Let's see here.

We got it right here.

This is

A Rebel Without a Cause and Gutter Boy, I believe.

Here we go.

So take a look at the exact same

line.

I got the bullet.

I got the bullet.

I'm telling you, strong choices.

He also makes a a lot of just noises.

He's like doing a lot of like.

We are introduced to this gang of, and I describe them as Mad Max rejected villains.

It was sort of like, can you just do the stand-in for the camera test?

And then

we're going to use real actors and things.

So we were introduced to them as they

like stop this car on the road, which to me, this movie was made in 1986.

It wasn't even that cool of a car that they stopped.

It kind of just seems like a normal, like, it just seems like a fine car.

Like a fine, like, it doesn't seem fast, it doesn't seem cool.

It's a fine car.

You've got a fine car.

Take me to Plant.

But then, like, so they, like, they basically, like, the whole thing with this gang, which has nothing to do with the plot, really, this gang races people for their car, the pink slips, that's the grease element, I guess, of it.

And then they get to keep the car.

But the first scene,

they're raised.

Again, the race for Sheen.

I kept getting confused between that first scene thinking those people were important.

Yes.

And thinking then that they were Sheryl and Fenn and the murdered guy.

And I was like, wait, no, it's not them.

And I got super confused.

But it's, yeah, it makes no sense that, like, again, I love this movie.

Why not just start off with like the Charlie Sheen thing?

And what, and Charlie Sheen's murder, or the fake Charlie Sheen's murder, is this like he's having sex with his underwear on, like, all cool dudes.

Just slip out your peen out of that little slot in your undies and keep your undies on.

Wait, why are people laughing?

Is that not the thing to do?

Is that

the one?

I always keep my undies on when I'm going to the movie.

For a movie that has a lot of nudity in it, for him to keep on his underpants was so odd.

And it made me feel uncomfortable.

Did you get a close look at him?

The guy?

I went back to show my girlfriend.

I was like, we're waiting for the Uber to come here.

And I'm like, you know what?

I'm just going to show you.

I'm going to show you one scene.

And it's going to be the first flashback to the brutal murder scene.

And of course, I'm giggling at it.

And she's looking at me like, what's wrong with you?

What show am I about to go see?

Does this story end with you getting dumped

on the way to this show?

Maybe after this show.

And I'm looking at it, and I look at the underwear again.

I'm like, they're like weirdly like silk, translucent, super tight, smaller than they should be, but not a thong.

It was actually the same underwear that Savia Coppola used for the beginning of Lost of Translation.

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Just one thing, also, just to point out, we talked about Charlie Sheen not being available due to platoon shooting.

They also, not only did they not use him as the flashback Charlie Sheen, they also used him throughout the movie.

If you see here, we were playing a picture.

One picture is of Charlie Sheen, and one is not.

It's the same scene when they're both in the hot springs.

One is Charlie Sheen, one is not Charlie Sheen.

I know.

Wow.

Her hair is totally different, too.

That's what I noticed about this one.

That I was like, why did they reshoot that?

Why did they have to?

So, yeah, Charlie Sheen is not available for a lot of this movie.

And really, only, I would argue, probably is only in like

three or four scenes, right?

Well, the majority of it, he's wearing the helmeted getup.

Yeah.

Wait, he's wearing the helmeted getup?

Yeah.

Can I tell you the first thing?

By the way, here's the underwear.

We do have a picture of the underwear.

Yeah, there you go.

Yes.

Look at that.

Yeah.

Is that American apparel?

Tap by 2008.

Tap could be a jock strap.

You think?

Yeah.

That could just be straps.

Because what happens to his crack?

But why can't I see the crack?

It's a weird phantom crack.

I can see the crack.

But you can't see all of it.

I'm looking at just butt.

I feel like it's being sucked in by his butt because his dick is breathing and it's sucking the underwear through his butt.

Right?

What?

The old dick breath.

Sure.

His dick is breathing?

Yeah.

You know, when you have sex, your dick breathes and then sucks in through your butt.

So it's kind of saying

he breathes in and whatever's against the asshole gets sucked.

So it's like when you open a door in one room and a

door

across the room gets closed.

That's exactly what's going on.

Wait, yeah.

That would be the dick exhaling and pushing the fabric forward and then pulling the other fabric into the butt.

I mean, I guess.

This is way too sexy.

I guess it is underwear, but it looks almost like a jockstrap weird.

And am I saying that her underwear is also in an odd position, too?

Or is that about right?

Is that her butt?

I mean, she's kind of

because she looks like she has the front part of her underwear

on her leg.

I feel like on her hip.

That triangle is in the wrong place.

These people do not have sex.

Or wear underwear.

She just put it on wrong.

This is, oh, that's a disturbing sequence.

but yeah so um

so yeah so there's a lot going on in this movie so um there's a lot of drag racing with the the rules are always uh lose the race lose your car which why would anyone ever agree to that

well they've lost win the race win they're pressured into it i don't know i feel like drive away also

you're in a car in a movie where you're trying to show like these are the toughest guys you'll ever meet i don't think it's cool when the guy puts on a helmet.

Like Nick Casanetti's like, put on my helmet.

Everybody puts on helmets to drag race.

Nobody puts on a helmet to ride a motorcycle.

They do jumps.

Charlie Sheen does a jump with Sherilyn Finn in that motorcycle over a bunch of trash.

Neither one of them are wearing a helmet.

No.

By the way,

I feel like in that sequence, The trash is causing more of the problem than anything else going on there.

It almost looks like they're aiming for trash.

Everybody in that chase scene scene is like, hit the trash.

They literally blow through

so much trash in there.

They're jumping trash.

They're hitting trash, which is just, you know,

basically just a way to say that they have no money.

We'll line up some more garbage bags here.

But yeah, here you go.

Trash.

Trash is flying through the window.

More trash.

It's as if someone is throwing a garbage bag full of can.

They don't have to drive into the trash.

No.

There's plenty of room.

There is so much room on the other side.

Like, Skank is driving right into the trash.

But they spent all their money on exploding cars.

True.

Yeah, and the Dodge car that he has, this is another thing.

When finally Charlie Sheen is racing, his car...

Does the thing where it disappears or I guess it no, it just pulls in front and everyone crashes through it it's and then it disappears and then it comes back stronger sometimes

and also like the weird sometimes it sucks your eyeballs out the mechanical the mechanical elements of his body like disappear from the crash sites but why was he mechanical to begin with he wasn't a man whose body was broken it's not like robo cop he was He was like kind of beaten and shoved into a

ghost.

Yeah, so why would a ghost need like body cast?

I feel like it it was just like this, it was part of his outfit.

So the film was like, hey, remember that it's that guy?

Like trying to draw a line between them.

But then they should have broken his legs.

And also.

They should have.

Like, I mean, right?

Because he's.

I agree, Paul.

They should have broken his legs.

But it's like, he's.

But it's like, it seems iconic.

Like, he's wearing leg braces.

But I kept expecting that to get explained.

Yeah.

Like, I kept expecting at some point I'm going to understand why he needs the exoskeleton,

why,

and that doesn't happen.

Also, I loved the movie.

It never, it never got explained.

Yeah, it seems like something that Billy the Chatty Nerd would explain in one of his exposition piles.

Yes.

Billy the Chatty Nerd, who is the brother of faux Charlie Sheen, that guy knows how to dump exposition like

nobody's business.

Just a hot pile of exposition.

Every time he's in a scene.

I've never seen, like, I mean, that guy was like,

hey, my name is Billy.

Anyway, my brother was killed.

He's going to date that girl over there.

I work in the hamburger shop.

No big deal.

But that guy, he's bad news.

He's a real crazy guy.

Don't look over there.

Don't even look at him.

And they drive that car.

Fuel in the town costs $1.99.

The year is 1986.

We all live in track houses.

Anyway, the last report card I got was this.

It's like, Jesus.

And during all of that, his dead brother back from the grave was like, uh, you suck.

Like, he just was like really nasty to him.

His brother comes back from the grave and spends no time with him.

His brother spends all of his time, his ghost brother, just trying to get back in

Sherilyn Fenn's pants.

Like, I would be super bummed.

And then he's like, I'm out of here, bro.

And then the kid

is heartbroken.

He's like, wait, wait.

He can't believe it was his dead brother.

My favorite line in the the movie is, yeah.

Jake!

Jake!

Jake!

Jamie!

Hey, Jake, who are you?

Jake!

Jake!

Jamie!

That my favorite thing about that was that Charlie Sheen, like

signed on to make this movie

He knew where his money was platoon is like guys can't do this movie anymore.

Sorry but like like he doesn't even tell him in a good way.

He's a sort of like he tells Sharon Finn like he's like yeah I came back and I come back for you and whatever and he's basically the only clue the only way that he tells his brother is like this kid happens to call him bro like hey bro.

Hey bro.

He's like you already said it.

And then it takes him about three minutes to put that together.

He's like, I've already said it.

Jake.

Jake.

Oh,

brother.

Jamie.

Yeah, and also, I love the goodbye is like, hey, I'm going to leave, but you can have this murder weapon.

Yeah.

And murdered everyone with it.

Yes, blame it all on you.

For sure.

He's going to jail now.

That's that for Billy.

It's a terrible thing to do.

So he came back to life, A, for revenge, B, to fuck his hot ex-girlfriend, right, who he was brutally murdered in front of, and C, C, to frame his brother for all these revenge murders.

I also love that she had her boyfriend murdered in front of her, but she's like, doing okay, we're gonna burger shop, no biggie.

And the cops never asked her about it.

And by the way, she gets over that pretty quick, besides being like date kidnapped, when Charlie Sheen pulls up on the motorcycle half naked, and she's almost not wearing any clothes either.

They're both like, he's like, oh, I'll show you where it is.

Let me jump on your back of your motorcycle.

Like, it feels to me like Charlie Sheen was killed like three weeks ago.

Like, it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like years have passed here, right?

Or maybe, I mean, again, that would be part of Exposition 9.

I mean, it does look pretty different, so maybe.

I couldn't figure out how old everybody was supposed to be.

I felt like it had the hallmarks of a high school movie,

but not, nobody was in school.

At a certain point, I was like, do you think this takes place during the summer?

Like, just between school years?

I don't know.

Well, because they all are going to that like quarry party.

Yep.

You know, so they're not in school.

That same summer.

And she wears a swimsuit for a minute or two until she takes it off.

Yeah, it must have been the summer.

Or they graduated and they're all in their 20s and this should have been doing something better.

I don't know if they're supposed to be like in their 20s and like kind of adults or not because they're all acting like kids, you know, except the 40-year-old

kick kids and Benny's

an old guy who's like running a chop shop out of a fucking barn out in this.

I could just make heads or tails out of it.

I mean, Cassavetes.

I loved this movie.

Have we discussed who Nick Casavetes is?

Yeah, sure.

He directed the notebook.

Sure.

But this is where he started.

John Casavetes'

son.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's just a son.

I'm like, what are you doing here?

What is this?

It is an odd movie because I feel like, again, everyone was sold a different bill of goods for this because they all came.

I feel like they're all doing something.

but no one, like, like, like Woody Allen, I think, is notorious for giving only.

Was Woody Allen in this?

Yeah, yeah, he was skinny.

He's a guy in a black hot.

Woody Allen played Gutter Boy

and introduced him as Gutter Boy, Woody Allen.

But, like, you know, like, Woody Allen's like the whole thing is that he gives you only the part of the script that's necessary for your character.

Like, I feel like that's what everyone did here.

It's like, because Nick Cassavetti's, like,

there's something bizarre, like, there's something so bizarre with this character because he also

makes an agreement with

a non-talking car.

When they do catch the Dodge, he's like, let's race.

The door never opens.

You don't even, like, there was a part of me that was like, is there even a driver in it?

Is the car and

I thought he was the car.

I thought he was the car.

I did as well.

Okay, I said it first.

I'm just agreeing with you.

And like, yeah, they make an agreement with a car that's not talking and not even talking like revving engine talking.

It's like we're gonna race.

Remember, get over here.

Like the car.

Why does

and this there might be a good reason that I just missed.

Why does the car open its hood for Clint Howard to put something in it?

What was that about?

Because they wouldn't race otherwise, but it's not a good enough reason.

I think they were like, we got to check your engine, man, to make sure that you were not putting illegal stuff in there.

No, he wanted to put a thing in there, a radio-controlled thing, so that he couldn't disappear.

So like when you try to disappear, we can find you, so you can't disappear after that.

Yeah, right?

Yeah, yes, but also what?

Thank you, yeah.

Yeah.

So he's like, open the hood, and then the back opened instead, and Clint Howard is like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

And he goes and looks.

And it's, I don't know if it was...

Just so beautiful.

No, it was unexpected.

He basically jizzed his

head when he saw that motor.

Again, in a different movie.

But it was also like, it was also lighting up.

I was like, meh!

It was not like...

It was an extraterrestrial motor.

Yes.

That's what they made it look like with the graphic.

I don't know.

I wanted it to be pulsing and have limbs and tentacles and stuff.

It's just light up.

You can do that.

It's like the faces of the dead.

Yes!

Yes!

That would have been so good!

Also, now, by today's standards, it just looks like a Prius engine.

Yeah.

You know, they opened it up and I was like, yeah, it looks pretty standard.

Yeah,

it didn't look anything

super abnormal.

It just kind of glew a little, it glowed a little bit.

Cassavetti's,

he's got some of the best lines in the movie.

Yeah.

I think.

And to your point that he's just doing like his own thing, someone else, he's got his own director, which, by the way, is Mike Marvin, which is a great name for two kids in a trench coat trying to direct a Hollywood movie.

It opened up, and the first thing that caught my eye was I'm just sitting there and I'm eating some snacks, and it says a Mike Marvin film.

And I'm like, what?

Mike Marvin.

and then the director of photography is Reed Smoot so that means someone on set someone on set like a PA or like the you know the the like line unit director or something like that is like Mike Marvin Reed Smoot Charlie Sheen yeah it's gonna be good

well just to give you an idea of what Mike Marvin is up to

Mike Marvin wrote hot dog the movie

Madam Savant which is this is a Playboy movie and another movie called Sunstorm which is just another movie where it's like where hot women just get naked in it.

He directed all the...

It's called Sun What?

He directed...

He directed Hamburger the motion picture.

And he wrote Hot Dog the Movie.

Just FYI.

I just want to go back to that.

And he's in development right now on Burrito the Movie.

And then the odd one out of the mix, besides movies like Wishman, The Dragon's Gate, Arranged Marriage, Getting Away, and Sunstorm, is Six-Pack, the Kenny Rogers movie.

Remember that?

Oh, there's a Kenny Rogers movie where

it's like Bad News Bears, but for NASCAR.

So it's like Kenny Rogers has a group of kids working on his car.

Kid Pitcrew?

Yeah, Kid Pit Crew.

That's all I remember.

I was like, cool.

When my dad brought it home and made me watch it.

Like, when you have no children.

Did you watch it?

Yeah, because...

You sit here and you watch this.

You know, like, or at least, like, when I was a kid, like, your parents would go to the video store and you'd have no choice in what they would bring home.

They'd be like, you'd like this.

Enjoy it.

Like, you know, I feel like I watch, like, they were like, it's a kid movie.

Watch it.

I watched that.

I watched one with John Ritter and he's like a superhero, like, Condor Man or whatever it was.

You ever see that?

No.

Oh, man.

These are both amazing.

We should do a series that is just the movies of your childhood.

So many of them.

I mean, I finally found the one that I was obsessed with.

But, alright, I forgot the name of it again.

It's fine.

Back to Zero.

I would have told you, but I forgot the name of it.

Star Wars?

Was it called Star Wars?

Yes, that was it.

It was a, yeah.

Yeah, I think it was Star Wars.

Yeah, I think it was.

Yeah, yeah.

That's the one face one, right?

With a Chewbacca?

Yeah, yeah, definitely Star Wars.

Starring Chewbacca?

Yeah, what's his known Chewbacca in it?

It's Star Wars.

Is that all of them?

Yeah, Star Wars.

All of what?

Because I know.

I think it's Star Wars.

I think it's Star Wars.

Wait.

Are you talking about Chewbacca?

Is Fred McMurray in it?

Is Fred McMurray in it?

In Star Wars?

From my three sons?

I get Star Wars and the apartment confused.

Chewbacca is like working and he has a good apartment or something.

I don't know.

Seems fun, but

you're confusing the two.

I know that Chewbacca loves Sherry McClain.

Yeah, because in Star Wars, in Star Wars, Chewbacca doesn't have an apartment.

Right.

Yes.

Oh,

that's true.

So I think actually Star Wars is the movie where Chewbacca is doing his job.

Okay.

And the apartment is when Chewbacca is at home.

Yeah, that's it.

It's a home-based Chewbacca movie and a work-based Chewbacca movie.

I would love one of the new Star Wars spinoffs to be a remake of The Apartment.

Rogue One.

The Han Sol has been off.

The apartment.

I would like one of the movies to just be a workplace comedy starring Chewbacca.

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To your point about Nick Cassavetti's, too, like that scene where he cuts his own hand.

Oh, my God.

We're blood lovers.

Blood lovers.

That is unhealthy.

And yet

it sounds like a movie that you guys would discuss on this.

Oh, 100%.

This week we're watching Blood Lovers.

By the way, I would 100% watch a movie called Blood Lovers.

But he wipes his blood on her mouth.

But he also does he does blood love blood brothers in a weird way because he cuts his hand and then he licks it and then gives it to her.

And everybody knows you're supposed to do it in the exact opposite order?

Where are you going with this?

Because he cut her hand too, right?

The idea of like blood brothers is like that you're supposed to like, you cut your finger, I cut my finger, and then we mix it together, right?

But like he just cuts himself and then he drinks his own blood

And then he wipes it out.

Like, like, he's not getting any blood out of this, deal.

And she pulls back, which just means a smudge on her face.

So it's not, there's nothing satisfying.

There's no, he doesn't stick his thumb in her mouth or anything weird like that.

And by the way, a thumb in the mouth in this movie would have fit perfectly.

That is a good move for this movie.

The top of this very scene, he ruins her crying scene, her big crying moment, because it takes him 10 full seconds to take off that fucking glove.

Right?

It takes, I timed it it takes 10 seconds and he's like

he goes finger by finger twice around and then finally has to yank it off 10 seconds and she's trying to cry and have an emotional moment and the camera has to stay on him because he's got his hand right next to his face

I noticed you know what it's funny that you mentioned that because I only paid attention to the gloves.

I didn't even know she had a crying scene.

I was like, does he take off the gloves when he gets in the car?

I thought that's even better.

It's great dog work.

Driving.

It's her best moment in the movie.

She turns to the camera, it's in profile, then she turns to the camera and she's got actual emotion and actual tears.

And you're like, oh, maybe the movie's going to turn.

Then it cuts to him.

All right, here we go.

We're back.

Also, I think each flashback they show is slightly different.

I think they use different takes because in the last one,

Pitchamon, but they didn't tell the audience.

Unreliable narrator.

And the last narrator is like, yeah, they put a blanket over her head right away.

What was really weird is that

whenever we see the flashbacks of the murder or any of these things, it's because Charlie Sheen is looking into the eyes of either Nick Cassavedes or Sherilyn Fenn, and he sees this flashback of himself being murdered.

Why?

He was there.

He doesn't need to see a flashback because he was there when it happened.

Right?

Right.

And he seemingly is only coming back to kill them.

Yeah.

Like, it's not like, oh, I'm reincarnated.

Oh, wait.

He's not piecing anything.

No, there's no mystery for him.

Yeah.

His plan is to simply kill them all in the most obtuse way.

Just go fucking run them over.

Or when you go in with your fucking space shotgun,

shoot them.

Don't blow up their shot.

And he's like, he's shooting everything but them.

And then Nick Casavetti's like, he says, like, hey, man, put down that kidney buster.

That was.

Which I never heard of the term for a gun.

I feel like I'm going to hate myself for saying this right now, but I do think that was the weirdest scene in the movie.

Yeah, just where he's like shooting everything, and Nick Casey is sitting there the whole time, like, oh man.

Nick Casaveti.

What are you doing?

He's non-plus.

non-plus.

Skank does not care.

All of the Wraiths activities.

Yeah.

He's like this guy.

He's just like, well, I'm not impressed.

I'm hanging out in my Puka Shell necklace,

my leather jacket, and I'm not impressed, bro.

Skank's jumping into the ceiling like a cat.

I mean, like, this is some crazy.

You would be...

You'd be impressed by this.

A man in leg braces, a space gun, who the door's open and he poses for a very long time before he does anything take it in and he's in like you know everyone's checking him out I forgot about that puga show yes

I forgot is that is that an Italian horn

and and this gun looks pretty futuristic poor gutter boy

and he spends a lot of time shooting the gun and nobody ever gets shot

Well, that was a weird...

I rewound that because that was weird.

I'm going to just play it a little bit here.

Buddy, I'd put that kidney buster down if I was you.

This place is filled with ether and acetylene, dig

They all see Charlie Sheen's face.

We have a flashback.

Buddy body going in a trunk

and the cars being pushed off the road slowly.

It's a slow flashback.

Oh, and then they shoot a shotgun.

They blow up the

problem is,

Who's the guy in the green visor?

He's a character I do not remember.

Because it's not Auggie, is it?

No, Auggie dies early.

Auggie's already dead here.

Who is that guy?

It's not Skank.

It's not Minty.

Oh, it must be Minty.

But Minty is usually in the varsity jacket, right?

He's got the state varsity jacket.

That's varsity jacket guy.

Minty.

But then he doesn't have it on here, and that green visor threw me off, too.

Dude, that really confused me.

I don't understand why Charlie Sheen is in all this gear and get-up.

Like, if he could just be Charlie Sheen.

Is this because they couldn't have Charlie Sheen?

Well, I mean, we saw at the end.

Yeah, that's definitely why.

But story-wise, we saw at the end how much effort it takes for him to take it off.

Oh, yeah.

Remember when he was like,

whoa.

I won't do that again.

I won't be doing that again.

Okay.

Well, you seemingly are doing it all the time because you're appearing in two different locations throughout the entire movie.

Yeah.

What blew my mind the most about this, especially later in the movie, when he finally drives his supercar, his super Dodge, into the warehouse and blows the whole thing up, I'm like, you didn't have to kill him one by one.

You could have just killed them all to begin with.

And he's already been to the barn and just shot it up.

Right there.

And so like he comes back later and just drives into it, which causes the barn to explode to a level that is basically equivalent of the mother of all bombs.

And that explosion, I was like, whoa!

That is significant.

Pacing it out would make sense if he was terrifying them, like the name kind of indicates, being a wraith, if he was just, they were getting more more and more terrified each time.

But they weren't, except Clint Howard.

That was the movie Clint Howard was in.

Well, but also, wouldn't you argue, like,

if, wouldn't it be cool if, like, the first person he killed was a simple one, like a race one, and the car drove into the car and it blew up, you know?

And then the second one, it was a shotgun murder.

Like, they just heightened and

the final destination?

Yeah.

Like, I'm like, yeah, like, that's some sort of build.

But no, it's just all car-related.

Or the other thing would be if

the Charlie Charlie Sheen in the flashbacks, the Jamie character, had been murdered via car.

Yes.

But he's not.

It's not like he gets killed in a drag race.

He gets killed in his briefs in a cabin.

We still don't know if they're briefs.

Or

whatever.

In

the bottom of a lady's bathing suit.

I'm honestly not sure what he's wearing, but he gets killed unceremoniously, like in a cabin.

Yeah.

And then disposed of.

But all of the revenge murders take place via car.

So he should be like killing them all while they're fucking.

I mean, like, I mean, that would be the right.

Ooh, Nick Cassavetti's weird sex scene with that blonde waitress was very not cool.

Even Randy Quaid.

Randy Quaid gives that actress a look like, I'm so sorry, honey.

By the way, we haven't even mentioned Randy Quaid yet.

Who gives a stellar performance in this movie?

Maximum Quaid.

Oh, yeah.

Why put up a...

What was it?

Why put up a barrier?

Not even there?

When they're like, should we block off the roads at the end?

And he's like, can't block something that's not there.

I will just play.

This is when Randy Quaid first discovers, again, another red herring in this movie.

The first person who's murdered reappears.

Unscathed.

Yeah, they all do.

All the people who are murdered are not burned by the accident, are not harmed by the accident.

They are

their eyes are goggles.

Just the first one.

Oh, the first one had their eyes,

they say sucked, but it looks like burned out.

And then they describe the body as that.

They're like, oh, it looks like he just got out of a hot tub or something.

Yeah.

Which is not what he looks like.

Like, does the Wraith need to feed on their essence or something?

That would have been so much better.

Wait a second.

Oh, go ahead.

I have a theory that all these things were explained in scenes that were cut where Billy is just hot loading exposition.

He's just like making burgers.

Like, well, you know, a Wraith needs eyeballs.

Well,

you all know when you get killed and the car blows up, you come back as an evil car and you can go kill everybody.

But the part of that price is that you gotta make sure that everyone gets killed one by one, the evil guy Lawyer's gonna.

Oh, yeah, you can change your face, but not your back scars.

Uh-uh.

I think I figured it out.

I think I figured it out to a point that doesn't make sense, but I'm still going to explain it.

I think each person he kills, he's taking a part of their essence.

First person, he's taking their eyes.

The second person, he's taking one of their legs.

That's why the pieces of

the things disappear,

because he's like getting a part of them.

But that doesn't make any sense because you see him early and he's got his whole body.

You know, Paul.

Paul, I think that's a stretch.

I don't think they thought it out.

I wonder if...

I think they thought it out.

My favorite Randy Quaid.

Cool, whose eyes are missing?

Yeah, cool.

All right, we'll figure it out later.

I got to write the Masseus, the new movie I'm ready for playing.

My favorite Randy Quaid moment was the scene where he's in his sheriff, sheriff's office, whatever,

making paper dolls as he talks to everybody.

And I feel like, again, such a strong choice for no reason, unless

at one point we revealed that, like in an original cut, we revealed that the paper dolls were all the people with like eyes burned out, leg off, like whatever.

But we didn't do that.

No, it was just all headless.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Was that what it was?

Yeah, he cut the head off.

He cut the head off.

Well, we're probably missing a scene where Billy teaches Randy Quaid how to cut off the eyes from little things like that.

And then they got in the edit and and they were like, this movie's all about Billy.

We got to drop all these scenes.

Nobody cares about Billy.

A little taste of Randy Quake.

These kids.

Oh.

Oh, that's ugly, God.

Kid ought to be dog meat.

Wait a minute.

Yeah, Loomis.

This kid smashed down a canyon through fire and busting glass.

Must have been a thousand degrees in that car.

Nope.

Uh-huh.

At least.

Where's his eyes?

Sent cats climbing up my spine when I saw him holding this carps out of that canyon.

Clean as if he'd come out of a hot tub.

The way he says it's a hot tub.

It's not like a hot tub.

It's like he's saying like

he took like a bath.

Like

the way I'm hearing him say it is like a hot tub.

Not like a hot tub.

Like, you know, so it's like, yeah.

Either way, he does not look like that.

No.

He looks like he lives in a refrigerator and rats eat his eyes.

Like,

that makes me think that that deputy is up to no good.

Spend a lot of time in hot tubs.

I always love a movie like this where they have to create, like, cool guy language.

Like, they don't, like, they're like, yeah, we're going to do this.

This is how bad guys talk.

The other guy, I just realized I'm watching this.

It's like a...

a Will Forte SNL character.

The other guy, like, man, like,

he has an energy to it.

I just like when they said Kweef City.

It's Queef City.

I don't understand why it would be Queef City

down by the lake.

I don't know why.

I don't know.

Well,

if you're doing a lot of...

How did they get so much air up?

Yeah, if you're sitting up.

No.

Maybe that's why they have all their underwear being sucked through their assholes.

This movie also, like,

did they have different rules back then about paying for songs to be in movies?

Because this had, like, legit songs in it.

It does have, like, Motley Crew and Quazi and this

soundtrack was awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah, it is, uh, yeah, it's insane.

It has a ton of their soundtrack, it is amazing.

Uh, but I feel like this is like a time when they're like, just get a killer soundtrack, get Mike Marvin, and

get me, get me, Reed Smoot.

Kathy, get me Reed Smoot on the line.

This movie, I mean,

and then, but again, I don't understand any of it.

I didn't understand any of it, thoroughly enjoyed it.

Like, can I just pitch one version of the movie?

Nobody had parents.

Yes.

Not a single character had a parent, even though they all appeared to be children.

Or goals at all.

Or goals?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, nobody was going to go.

Nobody was going to college.

Nope.

Sharilyn Finn was like, what, disappear on a bike?

Sounds good.

Sounds good.

With an angel?

Maybe.

Or a roar.

Or a devil.

Where is the bench?

Where are they going?

Where are they going at the end?

Is he taking her to the afterlife?

Yes.

And he leaves his brother behind.

Yeah.

To get framed for murder.

We should go and talk to the audience about, because they may be able to help us out a little bit here.

I do just want to talk about one other thing before we go out there.

That when they do have that sex scene in like the hot springs

there's like chestbone kissing like it's just it's not neck it's below neck above nipple

chestbone oh it's a clavicle smooch yeah a clavicle smooch and they are reacting like it's the most erotic thing like oh kiss my clavicle oh yeah

i broke this one down

because i got really obsessed with how they were treating the flashbacks to the brutal murder.

Yeah.

And, all right, so she says, you remind me of Jamie.

I like you.

Flashback to brutal murder.

A brutal murder that they were present for.

Yes.

So they're flashing back to a moment they were both in.

Back to them.

In the creek.

Charlie Sheen says, I love you.

Then they kiss each other's clavicles.

She says, you remind me of Jamie.

I like you.

Flashback to brutal murder.

Flashback, I love you.

And she just smiles after he says, I love you.

I mean, can you imagine?

She obviously falls in and out of love very quickly.

She's a psychopath.

She had someone murdered on top of her and was like,

Can I get in the back of your bike and show you how to get down to the quarry?

Sure.

I compartmentalize easily.

He's just taking you to a therapist's office in the sky.

You need to talk, you need to process what you've been through.

Because, like, there, like, to me, the movie, I think the better version of this movie.

I mean, I guess there's a possibility that

she is also murdered in that cabin,

and that the whole movie

is a Jacob's Ladder scenario.

Could be a Jacobs Ladder scenario.

What?

I buy it.

Or it could be a Jacobs Ladder scenario for Jamie.

And he's imagining himself as a Charlie Sheen character.

He's in purgatory.

I feel like

he's let go.

And he's like, I'm dead now.

But she's still hanging out in purgatory.

And he's got to rescue her from purgatory.

And that makes sense because purgatory is a world in which there are no parents.

And you're just like at the lake, at the creek or the quarry or whatever, and at the burger shop, at the burger stand.

And things are decided by car race.

Yeah.

And there's a.

They're basically lost.

And there's.

Spoiler alert for lost.

They're in purgatory.

That's the best.

The TV show lost.

They're in purgatory.

Spoiler alert.

They aren't, Jason.

I hate to outlast you here.

They're not in purgatory until the end of the show.

Sure, yes.

The whole time they're on the island.

Yep.

So,

but wait, wouldn't the strong

wouldn't the stronger

Wouldn't the Stronger movie be the Wraith comes to town, he kills everybody, you don't know who it is, and then in the last scene, he pulls up, the black car pulls up to Sharon Lynn Finn's house, he gets out of that costume.

She's like, What?

You're that guy that I used to date.

He's like, Yeah, I'm back.

I'm fucking killed.

Yeah, we.

You want a new kill?

Me now.

Get on my bike and let's go.

Like, the whole charade of falling back in love.

Well, why are you doing that?

These should all be flashbacks.

We don't need modern-day back-to-life Jake Jamie.

We could just have the car driving around.

And anytime we want to see like teen romance, it's some flashback to, like, oh, remember when we used to go get ice cream together or something like that?

Because the movie builds to the point where, like, he shows up in that black outfit, and he's like, I'm back to Charlie Sheen.

And that should be, like,

I don't know, I don't know, more of a moment or something.

Well, by then, we, it's like, there is no, like, there is no mystery.

You're like, you're meant to understand, like, oh, he is just both of these characters.

Yeah.

He is both the Charlie Sheen on the bike, who's like, you know, three characters.

Oh, because he's Jamie as well.

Yeah, That's true.

Charlie Sheen is three characters in this movie.

Wow.

That's unsettling.

And I loved it.

Let's go out here to the audience and see what they have to say.

All right.

Let's go to you, sir.

Come on over here.

Let's have your name.

And then

I want to see if you have a better title than the Wraith for this movie.

If you don't, don't worry about it, but then I'll put you on the spot.

My name is Trevor.

What the fuck?

Alright, sure, I'll take it.

I'll take it.

Well, you mentioned

one of the other movies that Mike Marvin directed.

He actually had like four

softcore movies that he did.

And he's credited as Jake Casey, Charlie Sheen's character.

Like, that's the name he used.

Wow.

And so now I'm just wondering, is this like some sort of like thing?

I don't know what he's trying to say with that.

It's like some Dread Pirate Roberts thing where it's like Jake is like it's a name you could just take for a cause?

Well, he has written two sequels, I think, to this movie that are unproduced.

They're unpaid.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, they're unproduced.

And everywhere.

So far.

I love that he's like, my name's Mike Marvin, but I'd like to be known professionally as Jake Casey.

Interesting.

So he's become his character.

That's a good one.

All right, great.

Thanks so much.

All right.

Instead of coming up with another title, let's do something different.

Come up with your name if you were in a gang.

You know, so we had obviously we had

Rughead, right?

Skank.

Gutter boy.

Gutter boy.

So come on up here.

Yeah, Minty.

So here we go.

My name is Zach.

Curly hair.

Good.

Just not by curly.

Yeah.

They kept mentioning how

dangerous the bad guy was, and like, you shouldn't talk to the girl, and you shouldn't talk to the girl.

And then Charlie Sheen keeps talking to him, never faces any like repercussions, and then the guy sees them making out in front of her house, and he's just gently weeping.

It's just like tears in his eyes, and he's nothing.

Yeah, he should have gotten out of the car there and done something.

Maybe he's still being stung from when that moment when she said, I'll never make love to you.

Like another shoehorned exposition line.

Like, we gotta let the audience know these two have not done it.

This is just a kidnapping.

That's a good point.

Great.

Yes, sir.

Your name, David.

And

your gang name.

Eveld.

Okay.

Gang name Goozer.

Ooh, that's good.

I like that.

All right, two things.

Did you do this because of Easter?

Because it's kind of like he's coming back from the

back of the city.

To that, I'll say yes.

It was very funny.

You see the Wraith as a Christ allegory?

Wow.

Well, there were three stars in the beginning.

This is a Father Son,

holy wraith.

The second thing was Randy Quaid.

Didn't anybody, he was a police lieutenant, but sometimes he'd wear a sports jacket and a shirt, and the same day back at the police station, he'd be like in a deputy's outfit with a shoulder holster.

My girlfriend doesn't think that's weird.

I think it's weird.

I think it.

I hear you're saying that because he dresses like a detective and then he dresses like...

You should dump your girlfriend, man.

You guys gotta break up over this.

Hold on, baby.

No, that is, I mean, again, I feel like they were like, oh, yeah, when you go to work, the police station, you gotta wear your cop clothes.

But in real life, you can wear your regular clothes, right?

And maybe that, or vice versa.

Paul, I honestly think that they just let everyone pick their own wardrobe for this movie.

Again, strong choices.

Cassavedes came in with like 11 Puka Shell necklaces and was like, I'm wearing one of these.

All right, ma'am your name your gang name and your question my name is Lisan my gang name would be the rush

and my question I like it

in the very end of the movie he says pack lightly we're not gonna go far

where are they going I think

Is he gonna kill her so they can go to heaven or hell together?

I think he has to kill her.

There's no doubt it ends in her murder so that they can share the afterlife together, I believe.

Yes.

I thought that as well.

I think they're just packing that weird boy underwear that he had

and her thong that she puts on sideways.

Pack lightly.

I forgot that.

Because she wouldn't really need to pack at all.

You could argue.

Yeah, but she'd get creeped out if he was like, don't pack anything, get on my bike.

The only thing I want to see you in is wings and a halo.

Oh my gosh.

All right, sir, your name, your gang name, and your question.

I hold the mic.

Oh, boy.

Oh, he's really getting grabby.

Got to go with the best gang name is from Deathwish 3 Giggler.

That's what we got to go with it.

So...

I ranted the fuck out of this movie in 1990 from Fox Video Monthly, New Jersey.

It was never on the shelf because of me.

I love the fuck out of him.

But, so if he looks different, why does he wear a mask?

If he's invincible, why does he have armor?

And if he's dead, why does he have that breathing tube?

Oh, great questions, yeah.

Well, I'll put it back on you as someone who watched this movie constantly.

Wow.

Yeah, what have you come up with?

We've only watched it once, dum-dum.

You tell us.

I watched this movie so much nobody else could watch it.

I also fundamentally don't understand how it works.

I've learned nothing.

I have the most experience and the least information.

I'm a certified moron.

That's what you sound like.

Anyone, last question.

I really want to feel like somebody's got something really good.

All right, let's say what you got.

Come to me.

All right.

Name, gang name, question.

Channing, my gang name would be Blood.

Channing Tatum, everybody!

Woop, whoop!

Two things.

One, we, you talked earlier about Charlie Sheen's limited time on screen.

We actually timed it and it's a very generous 12 minutes and 30 seconds.

We?

Yeah.

Who's the we and we and the gang?

And me and my gang.

What?

Me and my gang?

You have a gang?

And my question is, why does he have those scars?

Because correct me if I'm wrong, but scarring is something left for the living.

I agree.

I thought that was strange.

But even to me, why would he have those scars if it's in a different body?

Yeah, yeah.

He seems to have it.

Yeah, it's a totally different body.

I just like this dude and his friends being like, go.

By the way, I'm...

I'm glad that they timed it because no one else would.

And

12 minutes and 30 seconds.

Like, this movie is not short.

For him to only be in 12 minutes, it's crazy.

You're not counting Wraith in there, are you?

No, no, no, no, no,

no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but I mean, that was him in that suit, so

here is a scene that we've talked about a few times, but I think it's worth hearing it in full.

The Wraith, aka Charlie Sheen, appears in front of Sherland Finn's house, and this happens.

He comes out of his space car

in his Wraith costume.

Trojan kind of like has a crick in his neck.

Can't do that again.

Jake.

You know who I am.

Jamie.

What?

How?

It's as close as I could come come to who I once was.

It's close enough.

Just think of this as a second chance.

We were meant to be together, Carrie.

Alright, so that's that.

She's a fucking genius that she figured that out.

But also, she fucked him without knowing that it was him at the beginning.

So it's like, oh, Jamie, my ex.

Ooh, kind of had sex with the guy that I thought was someone else.

Glad it's you, though.

And then this is how his brother, this just, again, the brother scene.

These scenes are, I think, so worth it.

Here we go.

All right here.

Okay.

It's time for me to hit the road.

My business here is finished.

Before I do, I want you to have something.

She's yours now.

Who's mine?

It's outside.

Termo interceptor.

By the way, I want to pause this for a second.

You gave him a key.

He goes, who's mine?

She's.

The woman that you start with this key.

She's yours.

Who?

Wait.

It's definitely for a car.

The fact that he's confused about that makes me not believe that he gets the Jake Jamie thing at all.

I think he's just yelling random names.

But also, Charlie Sheen's performance, like he is so checked out in this scene.

It's like he just does not care about a single word he's saying.

Yeah, you know, they, and he feels nothing.

There appears to be no connection.

He's just like counting down.

He's like, I got a flight to catch to Vietnam.

Mission all my 12 minutes in a day.

Here we go.

All right, so it continues.

Only one in existence

does very special things.

Take care of it, wait.

What?

Who are you, bro?

You said it, Billy.

I gotta go.

Wait a minute.

Where are you going?

Where you going?

Hey, Billy.

The instructions are in the glove department.

The instructions?

Wait a minute.

Come back

for a murder car.

Come back, bro.

Whoa.

Hey Jake, who are you?

Oh

Jake!

Jake!

I will never know.

I gotta point out, earlier in that scene, before he says the bro thing, and he's kind of like and he Billy kind of figures it out,

he's ready to leave.

Yeah.

He's walking out the door, and then Billy has to say something, and then Charlie Sheen stops and comes back, and then the bro thing happens.

He's ready to walk away from this guy without ever...

Also, he's alive again, going to fuck his girlfriend.

They're going to see each other, right?

No, he's going to murder his girlfriend and take her to heaven.

Which means at this point, he's got nothing to lose.

You're a Wraith.

Just be like, this is going to blow your mind, dude.

I'm your brother.

Bye.

And then you get on your bike.

I agree.

Thank you.

Why don't we write these?

All right, so let's hear these lines.

Oh, man.

My favorite Randy Quaid one

when he goes to visit Skank and Gutterboy.

First off, the guy asks about the workers, Skank's uncle.

And his uncle says, My nephew Skank and his pal Gutterboy?

I wrote that as well.

Pretty great line.

Because

I love that the uncle

calls him Skank.

What's his name, Maurice?

What's his name?

Maurice, yeah.

Oh, I thought Skank was his given name.

And then Randy Quaid comes up to him.

He starts a little bit of chit-chatter, and then he says, You listen to me, Skank.

I can't call you Skank, right?

Please, Skank is my father.

I mean, oh, God.

Then Skank has a great line later when when he's trying to shoot, when they're in the cemetery.

Oh, we didn't talk about this.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

The gravestone.

Passive.

He desecrates six graves.

At least a half dozen graves in this cemetery.

To get to the good one.

Yeah.

Which got his name on it, which he doesn't realize until after he's probably been staring at it for like two minutes.

And isn't that when he goes back to the chop shop and then he is unafraid of being killed after he's seen his own death?

Yes.

That's how it works.

Because he's being directed by someone else in this movie.

But then the skank pulls out that shotgun and he tries to shoot the Wraith.

And he says, eat lead, crud sucker.

Which is the shortest possible way to tell someone that they can suck on your crud.

Crud sucker.

Wait, does he say, eat lead?

Okay, okay.

And then the gun doesn't work, and he's like,

he's not human.

He's making the gun do something.

And it's,

it really made me insane that Packard doesn't take the Wraith seriously ever yeah like the Wraith is clearly a supernatural being killing everyone in his game and Packard is never impressed you think it drove you crazy Clint Howard was nuts about it yep that's true when Clint Howard says it's a wraith the two guys skank and gutterball seem like they understand

like they're like yeah yeah like but I feel like, I'm first of all surprised that Clint Howard knows what a wraith is.

And I feel like these guys, like, no one seems like,

like,

he, there's nothing, this Wraith is showing himself as a Wraith at all points.

Like, oh, yeah, that's why he disappears.

That's why all of our friends have died.

That's why the eyes have disappeared.

Like, no one takes anything.

People see him turn into balls of light.

Like, the police are chasing him, and he's like,

and they're all just kind of like,

maybe that's what happens there a lot.

Was this a movie where everyone is on like acid?

Like, and they all don't say anything because they're afraid that they're not really seeing what's actually happening.

It's all

just all side-eyeing each other, like, hmm, did you?

Was that just.

That's why the Cats of Eddies is crying in the car.

Everyone's on their own fucking weird trip the entire movie.

He's coming down from it.

He's just got a huge glass of orange juice.

He's got a great line.

And this also goes back to him being in a completely different movie.

When Randy Quaid busts up his weird foreplay with that blonde girl at his sex lair

on his way

behind the beaded curtain.

Did you notice that in the sex lair, before you get into the sex room, there's a painting of two skeletons having sex?

Were you like, oh my god, that's my house?

Yeah.

I was like, cool, that's cool.

I'm going to rip that off.

Right as he's about to leave, so Kwaita tells me he's going to take him down to the police station.

With no irony and kind of putting on a lisp, Cass Vetti says, see you in the squad car.

That I went back and watched that like five times.

I couldn't believe it.

That's

that was the craziest choice he made.

And he chose.

He would be full of crazy choices.

And what is he even alluding to?

Like,

is that like,

is that like, I mean, obviously, like, he's like making some sort of like gay joke, but like, is that in the car?

Like, in the.

I don't know.

I mean,

Quaid is going to take him down to police station.

So he's basically saying, like, yes, I'm cooperating.

And I assume that you're driving, so I'll see you in the squad car.

But he says it like that.

See you in the squad car.

And then Randy Quaid says to the girl, are you okay?

And she's like, for sure, no, look where I am.

Of course not.

I'm living my best life.

She was my big hope for this maybe passing the Bechdel test.

And

just didn't.

No, but he threw her her shirt.

Yeah, but she didn't get to have a conversation with Sherilyn Fenn where they talked about something besides the Wraith.

That was really was.

no nobody okay whatever.

No, it's true.

Even though they worked together at the burger joint, they never talked about anything that wasn't the wraith.

Well obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people out there with a different opinion.

It is now time for second opinions.

The movie was a piece of shit

yet this person recommends it.

Tell me what is the message.

Maybe that art is subjected.

I need a second opinion.

These are weird.

I'm going to get off the bat and just say these five-star reviews from Amazon are pretty weird.

Let's just start here.

This is the one that

from Chris Z, written in 2000, sorry, 2016.

From the days when movies had story and meaning.

Five stars.

Wow.

Then from Jeffrey Flint.

I'd be curious to hear what he thinks

is the story and meaning of this movie.

Like, how did he connect with it?

This is from Jeffrey Flint, written in 2014.

It makes you wonder what people in real life would do for revenge of a lost love and life.

I want to be able to do that if I died.

Five stars.

Nope.

Yeah, yikes.

This one, I can't quite figure out how it got in here, but you'll see why.

Title of this review is called Works Great by Angela Sherwood.

This is a great item to have to let you know if the dishes are clean or dirty.

I think we all make the mistake of going inside the dishwasher sometimes when it's dirty and grabbing a dirty dish.

So I love this magnet.

It's very sturdy and it works great.

Meanwhile, that magnet has a review of the Wraith underneath it.

This magnet doesn't make any sense at all.

Let me get it straight with this magnet.

All right, so the magnet's just trying to get eyes out of people?

The magnet is both a car and a motorcycle.

And also Charlie Sheen.

Charlie Sheen's barely on this magnet.

This is from R.

Yusko, 2009.

I had this movie on VHS since it first came out.

And I had a couple of friends come over and we decided we wanted to watch The Wraith.

I said, that sounds like a plan.

Being we hadn't seen it in a long time.

I put the tape in, cracked up my beer, MGD, of course.

We started to watch the movie.

We got halfway through it, and the VCR decided to start crinkling the tape to a point that it snapped, stretched out, and broke the tape.

I was furious.

I have always cleaned the tape path of my VCR.

And not just by sticking a tape cleaner and calling it done.

No way.

The cover off, I cleaned the entire path and I stuck new bands on it as well.

That's how it lasted me since the Wraith came out.

That's why now I see when it was on DVD, I knew I had to have it.

And I didn't care how much it cost.

I wanted it.

I give this movie 10,000 stars if you're able to.

Amazon!

They have everything here.

I'll never shop anywhere else except right here.

Amazon.com!

The Wraith.

Buy this movie before it's gone.

It's already out of print.

Excellent movie, five stars.

But we know he'd prefer to give it 10,000 stars.

We just not

realistic ratings.

That was written by Keen Howard.

I'm going to read this one.

It's not as funny as that last one, but I think it will be interesting to hear.

It was written by D.A.

Hanks.

The Wraith is a modern remake of the Clint Eastwood classic High Planes Drifter.

In the Wraith, Eastwood is replaced by Sheen and the horse by a fantastically futuristic car, the Dodge PBG Industries Pace Car, aka the Turbo Interceptor.

Jamie Hankins is dating Carrie Johnson, the leader of the notorious road racing gang that claimed Carrie for himself.

However, and decides to eliminate the competition, Jaime is brutally murdered and his body set ablaze in a fiery car crash.

Now, Jamie was no good guy in life.

And upon his arrival in hell,

he makes a pact with the devil to exchange the souls of every gang member responsible for his death in exchange for his own soul's release.

Jamie returns to Earth as Jake, the driver of the hottest car ever built.

One by one, he eggs members of the gang into races where he emerges victorious and the loser ends up dead, his eyes missing.

This is a sure sign that they have been sent back to hell.

Each time a gang member is killed, a mysterious brace disappears.

Once the last member is dead, the final brace is gone and Jamie is set free.

This is one of my favorite movies.

And I was privileged to work with David Sherrill recently, who who played Skank in the movie.

A lot of these guys were nobodies when it came out, but they have gone on to much bigger and better things.

An awesome movie with a Killer's 80s soundtrack, five stars.

Now,

that's interesting because what he describes there

makes sense.

It's a much better movie.

Like, it's not the movie, though, right?

Yeah.

I mean, it might have been at one point that might have been scripted to that.

But yeah, he's added quite a few scenes.

Also, I love that in this review, he name-drops.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

David Cheryl, yeah.

Skank.

I worked with Skank.

By the way,

why couldn't Charlie Sheen just say, I made a deal with the devil?

Like, that would have been great.

That's like an extra 30 seconds.

He's got to get to Vietnam.

Would you take two?

No.

All right, moving on.

Billy,

Billy, get in here.

You know, my brother made a deal.

My brother was not a great guy before he died.

My hope is that right now he's making a deal with the devil to come back and get revenge on whoever killed him.

Burgers up.

What?

Mr.

Maguire wants a soda.

All right, hold on a second.

Anyway, so he'll come back, but he'll have, let's say, four people killed him, right?

He'll have four different braces on his body.

And the devil keeping him in check so he doesn't escape and run away.

But his other body doesn't have any braces on it.

That would have been great if his other body was confined to a wheelchair or something like that.

Like, and he could have gotten up and then freaked.

Because he seemed to roam with no problem.

I'm just thinking of Charlie Sheen in a wheelchair doing all the things now in the movie.

Floating down a river in a canon.

And Cassavetti's still being like, who's this prick?

He's a dork, man.

This town's full of dorks.

Quip City, man.

Quip City.

By the way, just one fun fact that you really can't tell from this movie.

It was shot in January.

So the water was absolutely freezing in every one of those scenes.

So it just gives you...

Which is why he's like, it actually warms up if you get in here.

Sounds like improv.

Yeah.

Well, yes, and.

I mean,

I think we've uncovered as much as we can uncover with

the Wraith.

Tim, want to tell us about what you got to plug?

Your show, your brand new show on CISO.

Very funny show.

Yeah, it's called Shrink.

It took us five years to make it.

Woo!

Woo!

It's been out about a month, and it's on CISO, along with Bajillion Dollar Properties, of which two seasons are on, and the third season is coming out June 1st.

And you can...

Some bejil heads out there.

A lot of bejil heads here.

Most of of our audience is one-fourth bejil heads.

So and just just tell us about Shrink, just what it what it's about.

Sure.

Shrink follows the story of David Tracy, who graduates from medical school.

He's half a million dollars in debt.

He doesn't get into a university hospital.

Doctors have to go through a matching program.

So he decides to default because of his debt into clinical therapy.

And when you do that, you have to register 2,000 hours of supervised clinical therapy, but you can't charge anyone.

So he sets out getting Craigslist patients to come into his parents' garage because he's had to move back home because of the debt.

And they are doing free sessions with them while he is getting supervised from a therapist downtown.

So it's the story of him over the course of eight episodes kind of struggling to get better at his plan B because he's deferring this half a million dollars in debt in his life.

Awesome.

So shrink on Ciso.

Tell us what you have coming up right now.

I just finished working on a show called Drop the Mic.

That won't be coming out until September.

But that's what we can get excited for.

We can get excited about it.

It is based on that bit that you guys do on Cordon, where you have these rap battles, right?

Yeah, the rap battles on Cordon.

And now, so it's all celebrities doing rap battles.

So it's hosted by Method Man.

That's neat.

I love it.

Yeah.

And I also have my own podcast called Angry Little Goats.

And

it's fun.

What's Angry Little Goats about?

It's me and another comedian, Will Weldon, just discussing current events and having a lot of digressions and that kind of thing.

I'm excited about that.

Yeah, you know.

Jason?

I got nothing.

Nothing.

Like, just, you know,

anything you've read, anything you want to tell people about?

My friend John has a great new record out under the name Man Forever.

Okay.

If people want to check that out, it's an amazing kind of drums percussion record that I've been listening to that I like a lot.

I don't know.

Oh, S-Town, I thought was fantastic.

I really enjoyed S-Town.

That was great.

I just finally read Ready Player 1, and I thought that was really great.

So that's my plug for this week.

Not bad.

It's a really fun book.

Did you read it?

No.

No, it's really good.

Don't sleep on it.

It's really good.

Planet Earth 2?

Loved it.

Are we just talking about things we like?

Yeah.

You know, just kind of pumping up.

Big little lies right now.

Well,

you can follow us as always on Facebook and Twitter.

A big thank you to Nate Kylie for doing our research and for Averill for putting together all these amazing video clips that she puts together.

And especially, I'm so happy that we have that Rebel Without a Clause

mash up there.

So, so good.

Thank you guys so much for coming.

Thank you to July Up in the Booth.

Thank you, everybody, here at Largo.

Good night.

Bye-bye.

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