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Finally, a movie for people who hate glass and mirrors.

We saw Shattered, so you know what that means.

Now it's time for

how to discremate.

We're gonna have a good time.

Celebrating failure, not just be the hater.

Pitching that you wonder how did this cremate?

Let's follow in the mediocrity of some power art.

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made?

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?

I'm your host, Paul Scheer, aka Tall John, and today we are talking about Shattered.

Now, which Shattered are we talking about?

We're talking about the one that came out in 1991,

starring Tom Behringer, Greta Saatchi, and of course, the late, great Bob Hoskins.

The movie is about a man and a wife who get into a horrible car accident.

The man has amnesia, but suspects that something is up.

We'll get into all of this, but first, let me welcome my co-hosts.

Please welcome June Diane Rayfield and Jason Manzukas.

How are you both?

You know,

this was a wild ride.

This was,

this is the kind of movie that I feel like I would have rented from the video store.

I was just going to say this, Jason.

Right?

That I would have been like, I bet this is going to be awesome.

And I would have been disappointed.

I had such even though there was boobs, so I'm sure I would have been excited for that.

Well, that's what I was thinking when I saw it.

I feel like

I thought to myself, I've definitely seen this with my parents on a couch, like uncomfortable.

You know, like when you would rent like Pacific Heights or, you know, like all of the thrillers of this.

By the way, what's so interesting about that is like, I feel that the number, I mean, I know we've talked about thrillers before, and I do love a thriller, but the number of movies in the 90s, the thrillers about

like men kind of figuring out who they were.

Like, I was thinking about regarding Henry.

Regarding Henry and the Ritz crackers, and him painting, and even like the fugitive.

Abrams' first script.

Oh, wow.

I loved that movie.

That was one of the few movies I had on VHS.

Wow.

I had that movie on VHS and watched it like 8 million times with Ann Archer, who was incredible in it.

Scientologist.

We did have.

That's a lady.

That's for the Ladies of the 80s podcast.

Ann Archer, Bonnie Bedelia.

Come on.

Oh, Bonnie Bedelia.

But I just loved, I loved all of these movies.

Yes.

You know, and so this movie felt very familiar.

Wolfgang Peterson, who made this movie, made so many of those movies.

He did like Air Force One.

He did like Harrison Ford movies.

He did like his presence in

Outbreak, Air Force One, The Boat,

The Neverending Story, The Perfect Storm in the Line of Fire,

Story?

Yep.

Wow.

Wow.

That's exactly.

But I will say that Molly did some amazing research and actually put together a list of thrillers in the early 90s that all had like a similar vibe.

It was movies like Malice, Deceived, Shattered, Mortal Thoughts.

Those all came out in the same year.

Then in 92, it was like Consenting Adults, Unlawful Entry, Presumed Innocent.

Presumed Innocent is another one.

Yes.

That's another one.

Yeah.

Remember Jagged Edge?

Jagged Edge.

Oh, great.

Guilty is sin, sleeping with the enemy, and a kiss before dying.

I mean, this is a time.

And I would say, like, 40% of those movies feature amnesia.

That's what I'm saying.

In the 80s and 90s, everybody got amnesia.

You didn't, you knew somebody.

You did make it through that decade without

amnesia.

Like, you're going to get it.

It's just a matter of time.

You're going to get some amnesia, but you also are gonna figure out-I think what's gonna happen.

Oh, yeah, retrograde amnesia.

The guy doesn't remember a goddamn thing.

Well, in this movie, it's called psychogenic amnesia.

I'll let the movie explain.

We call that psychogenic amnesia.

The patient doesn't know his name, his family, his personal history, everything else he remembers.

The year, who's president.

He can drive a car, he can function professionally, but anything personal, just out of reach.

For how long?

Could be

a week.

I'm gonna have to be honest.

Could also be permanent.

This movie is to me.

I wrote this down and I don't want to, like, look, I know we're talking about all these movies and we love this type of film, but this film in particular, I was like, people paid money to go see this in the theater.

Like, this is a movie in the theater.

Like, it feels to me so,

and maybe it's just because of where I'm at now, but like so streaming.

It's like it seems made for TV.

It doesn't feel like it.

Well, this is the kind of movie that doesn't exist anymore.

Like, we don't make these movies anymore, right?

The closest,

the closest we've come, we did it on this show, which was the J-Lo movie, The Boy Next Door.

You know what I mean?

Which had,

which had components of kind of, you know, these kind of erotic thriller type stuff, but it wasn't even good enough.

It wasn't even up to this level.

These movies were like written by people who are like, I kind of hate my wife.

I kind of hate my husband.

If only I could kill them.

Or only if I could frame them for murder.

Or what if I found out my wife was a murderer?

What if I found out my wife was a, you know, this constant, like, you can tell that in the early 90s, there was a deep resentment of spouses and they were being taken out in these movies.

And seemingly, the only way to get out of a bad marriage, murder.

Oh, murder.

Oh, that's like a convoluted plot to cover it up.

Like, they're not like, I want divorce.

Welcome to like

Dateline.

I mean, that essentially,

you're right, Paul, because we don't have these movies anymore, but we do have Dateline.

And I just want to quickly shout out the Dateline podcast

because I know that I'm not alone.

It's one of the most popular podcasts on

podcasting.

No, let me just say something about it.

He doesn't even know how to end that sentence.

It's one of the most popular podcasts on dot, dot, dot.

And I watched your brain really try and figure out what the next

TPN, the podcasting network?

You know, it's the Dak Shepard show, then Dateline, or maybe, you know, they switched spots back to the bottom.

I'd be surprised, Paul, you'd be surprised.

It's very popular.

Right, by the way, I am

shocked.

And I believe you, June.

I am shocked, though, because the Dateline podcast, as I've heard many times, because June likes to fall asleep with the phone by the bed on, not in headphones.

It's just playing podcasts by the bed.

I do that as well.

Thank you, Jason.

So, as I talked about.

Except I'm playing Harry Potter audiobook.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I'm a 49-year-old man who falls asleep to stories.

You should have come to me.

I'm someone reading him a child's story.

You should have come to our son's birthday party or his friend's birthday party.

They got to make their own potion.

You can tell that friend I'm pissed I wasn't invited.

I'll tell Sufi right now.

Now, I will say that at listening to podcasts as you're falling asleep, well, I'm also, I can no longer be alone with my own thoughts.

It's like not safe.

So I do like to have, I like to just have my friends around.

Oh, Keith Morrison.

Story of murder.

I gave Juna Keith Morris an ornament for Christmas because I knew, yeah, because I knew how much he means to her.

Wow.

You know what?

And if you had asked me, I wouldn't have known who the host of Dateline was.

Oh, I do.

I would not.

that's how that's how not in on dateline i am well there are other correspondents you know but keith is but he's the best keith isn't he's the the main guy here's what i'll say about the dateline podcast there's never been a more fuck you energy than dateline because yes they are popular how popular are they it feels like someone has gone up to the tv and pressed record and they go that's the podcast because it is cut as a television show that's why i appreciate it it's like just the tv show.

They're not going in to re-record.

And lots of times they're like, and as you can see,

the next thing happened.

And then they'll just cut to sounds.

And we can't see.

You can't see.

You can't cut to commercials that aren't there.

It's like, hey, when we get back, Melissa does confront her husband.

When Melissa confronted her husband,

references that you're never going to get.

They're not even bridging it.

They're not even bridging it.

Oh, that's fascinating.

But I appreciate it because I'm like, dateline, the show

is, is that's the, that's the text and that's the,

you know, or like, that's the, the raw material.

And so I, I appreciate the commitment to us listeners of like, we know where the source material is and we know what it is.

If you've watched the episode, are you listening to the same thing as a podcast episode?

You're doubling up.

I'm not always, I don't really catch it on TV.

I'm more just

be a podcast, but there's no help.

They have not added a re-record, recorded extra things to

a listener.

No.

I mean, by the way, it seems to me that the Dateline podcast may put out 400 episodes a year.

Well, I'll tell you, they release every Tuesday, and I am waiting and I'm ready.

And I know people always yell at us about like, oh, you guys don't release our episodes enough.

And I get so pissed.

And I'm like, we don't charge anything for this and blah, blah, blah.

But I now understand what it is to be a listener who's waiting for an episode to drop.

By the way, we drop our episodes on time every week.

I'm sure.

But I'm just saying, like,

I now get

why.

The fans lament.

Yeah, I really do.

Cause I'm like.

You're out there just checking the podcast network to see if it's updated for a new dayline.

By the way, I will say this too.

The weirdest thing is when I like drive home and I'm not ready to get out of the car, you know, because I got to find out what happens.

And then to just watch your children through a window playing and be listening to the episode.

Jason, she just,

she looks at me weird because I think that now it's her mind has been poisoned by murderous husbands.

It's like I watched one episode where it was like, oh, I'm certain, like, like I can completely understand June coming into the house, you saying something, and her being like, what are you up to?

Oh, absolutely.

I mean, even last night

when you came home and I just changed my voice just slightly, it really freaked out.

I just listened to something that was very unsettling on the drive home.

That's why you should do random, weird things, Paul, like that are like dig a hole in the backyard and then put it, then cover it back up.

I do want to direct listeners because there's a recent episode of Dateline, and then we'll get to this podcast, obviously.

But there is could have been an episode of Dateline.

I mean, it's right, that's true.

There is an episode that is just about,

it's called Venom, and it's about these like snake and exotic animal

owners, but specifically a man who it appears was killed by a snake.

And then the story unfolds, and let's just say it's a little bit more complicated.

Wow.

Okay, wow.

Well, I bet

you're not killed by a snake.

All right,

I just want to put down some groundwork here for people.

This movie is available on Tubi, our good friend Tubi, but also everywhere else, Amazon and

NotTubi.

Yeah, exactly.

To be

to be or not to be.

You can make that choice.

Here's what I will say for us.

If you will agree with this, I don't think we should reveal the twist right now.

Let's talk a little bit around it until we feel like we want to reveal a twist.

Or would you like to go in

just going

twist on?

Well, let me say this.

What's interesting, and I won't reveal it yet, is when you said in the opening, like log line of the, then the opening description of the movie about

our main character not being able to look in the mirror i didn't actually understand that and now i'm looking back on it and i'm like oh of course right well by the way i i figured out the twist in the i was writing a joke and as i wrote the joke oh i was like That's the fucking twist.

Did you know it, Jason?

I did not know it.

I did as well because of because there's a line.

There's a line that is that tips it really

um specifically in a way that i thought was clumsy in a way let's let then let's reveal it let's all let's let's talk about the movie let's talk about the movie chronologically and if it organically arrives we can we can spoil the twist suffice it to say this movie for for the for the in almost the entirety of its runtime it is presuming one thing and only in the very final minutes does it have a twist that opens up

which is ultimately all these movies.

I mean, there was a movie with like Ed Norton, uh, about like he was on trial, like it was always like the third act, and ba ba ba, like you know, like he was the killer, he was the person.

I just thought that this movie opened up in such a hilarious way.

We talked about falling off the rock face in that Killing Me Softly movie.

Here, we watch a Mercedes get

launched out of a fucking cannon.

Like, it like that Mercedes flies out, and I was like, this movie is set in San Francisco and there are so many cars launched off of cliffs into fireballs.

It's incredible like Wolfgang Peterson loves that it loves those big special effects thing moments.

I mean, and they actually,

again, Molly did some great research here and found that they built a custom-built gun with compressed gas that can that had a thrust of 1,400 pounds, which was able to send a Mercedes 200 feet off a cliff before it fell more than 500 feet.

And they had six cameras, several manned by rope-secure technicians experienced in climbing rock faces to get into pivotal positions.

And then they had to have cameras lower down on the cliff to be put in place with their equipment and a heavy-duty helicopter capable of lifting 2,000 pounds to get all this footage.

And let me tell you, Every bit of that footage is used because

they show so many flips.

It's like a fucking SNL Toonce's the Cat sketch.

Yeah.

Kukunk, Kukukunk, Kukukunk, Kukunk, Kukukunkunkunkunkunk.

It's like, oh, okay, I got it.

Kukunk, Kukunk, Kukukunk.

It's like, okay, I got it.

Kukunk, Kukukunk.

And then right after Kukunk, Kukuk Kunkukukukuk Kukunk, they have a flashback to Kuk Kunkkunk.

Like we just, we just saw it 30 seconds ago.

We don't need the flashback of how hard this car moves.

The MV is 40% flashbacks.

Yes.

Oh, my God.

40%.

Yes.

It's 40%.

40% flashbacks.

And I would say 70%

everyone not understanding how to deal with anybody on a human level.

These people are monsters.

Everybody is like, yeah, everybody's a monster.

Fucking Dom Behringer, who is the character who has amnesia, who is like a Tabula Raza, who is like wandering through the movie being like, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know what.

I don't know.

At what point?

It turns out he is kind of a monster.

Well, no, he's not.

Not a monster.

He's not

a twist.

I'm sorry.

You're right.

He,

the person who he

is not a monster.

Well,

yes.

They try to make it.

Yes.

So, I mean,

now we're there.

So we might as well.

Well, let's start at the hospital because what we will find out is, so, so Tom Behringer is in that car and his wife has been thrown out of it.

And he is so severely injured that

his face is unrecognizable.

And like,

I mean, he looks like a trauma character like like the top i mean i laughed when i saw it it was it is absurd it made me laugh so hard because it's much interesting though is that they didn't wrap because i think another choice would have been to like wrap him in gauze yeah of course you know what i mean but they were like no no no you're gonna see

you need you actually for the twist to work you need to see him

and by the way But by the way, there is something so crazy, though, because he has so many open wounds on his face.

The fact that they wouldn't wrap him up to just protect the

seeping wounds.

Seeping wounds.

But the doctor who wakes up, we see the wife get tossed out of the car and she kind of rolls.

And when the doctor, the woman, the wife, she wakes up.

She's okay.

She's minorly injured.

Her arms in a light sling, a very light sling.

The doctor wakes her up.

She like literally looks to me like she's just woken up out of a coma.

We find out later, it seems like only like an hour later or two.

She's in the hospital for like three hours.

And she wakes up, she

looks at him and goes, oh, well, you made it out okay.

Luckily, luckily you made it out okay.

Wish we could say the same for your husband.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

This woman just is waking up from a coma, and you're dropping this bot.

Like, he doesn't even wait to drop that your husband is horribly injured to this woman who has not asked.

You should just be like, how do you feel?

Yeah.

Do you have ammunition?

You've been in a terrible accident.

Why are you alive?

Yes.

You know, I mean, here's the interesting thing that this movie got my wheels turning.

And I kind of wanted to have your mom on, Paul.

Maybe we could call her real quick because

I do think one of the things that I...

Do you want me to call my mom?

Well, because I want to ask her this question.

All right, let's see if I can.

So, well, just hold on because I want to talk it through and then we'll formulate it.

But when,

so what we come to find out is that the man in the car, there was an assumption from this doctor that he was her husband.

He

was not.

He was her lover.

Well, there we go.

That's the one.

That's the twist.

Now, what then happens is this man is so mangled when they start his recovery and plastic surgery because he's unrecognizable.

She provides a photo of her husband.

Right.

Okay.

So he is then reconstructed to look like her husband.

Now, my question for your mom and like the healthcare system is, do you have to do any identification?

Like, can you just start?

Like, had they fingerprinted him, they would have figured out immediately.

That's the thing, like, Joanne Wally Kilmer's character realizes it's not him because his hands are different.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

And then, and then, you know, just in terms of blood type and all of the medical questions, and that's what I want to ask your mom about.

Like, are there any protocols in place?

I'm realizing,

like, then it falls apart.

Right.

Well, I mean, the fact that they're

maybe not.

Maybe before you be like, this is my husband.

Well, by the way,

this is how I figured out the twist.

Because at one point, Tom Beringer, Tabla Rasa, Tom Beringer, who is recovering from amnesia, is in his office trying to re- put together his life and he finds a role of like negatives, like film negatives.

And in the role of negatives, he's examining them and he sees his wife having sex with somebody out, with somebody else.

And so, as he's looking, and like every frame is getting a clear picture of that's definitely his wife, and that's not him, who is it?

And then they reveal who it is.

I wrote down, she having sex with Tom Berringer's stunt double, yeah.

And I was like, Because they look so alike,

and then I was like, Oh,

oh,

okay,

I get it.

Like, because like they needed him to look enough alike Tom Barringer so you could buy the twist, but they looked too, like, he really does look like the stunt double of Tom Barringer.

It's really interesting.

I think it would have worked a little better.

The movie would have

worked a little better if they didn't look so similar.

I know, but I think it would have been, I agree, it would have been a bigger surprise, but I think they did it because

blonde hair could have been done.

Right, because his hair

made that guy look kind of like tom behind i'm sure they needed to have the same hair and by the way hair in this movie is amazing there's a great wig moment in this movie but by the way when they are operating on him extensive plastic surgery on this man's face uh and you know they're looking at the his nose and they're doing everything right uh

there is there the operating rooms are so dark they're like they are like they are operating by candlelight this is like a scene from like the nick yeah

so can you just call your mom quickly see if she'll pick up and just ask her this just say a person comes into the hospital let okay hold on

can you please ask her babe please

if someone came into a hospital with

a disfigured face And like, say I approached you.

I came into a hospital.

June and I were in a car accident and her face was disfigured.

And I said, that's my my wife.

And they're like, we need to do plastic surgery on her.

And I gave pictures of June to the plastic surgeon to help reconstruct her face.

Would they just do it?

Or would they need to verify that that is definitely June and I'm not having them do

different plastic surgery, like of the different face of someone?

You look like someone else, I'm not.

Yeah.

Okay.

So here's the way it would work.

If you came in following an accident, then you would have an ambulance driver that had picked up and they would have looked at identification.

If her face was so disfigured, but she was cognitively able to make her own health care decisions, she would have to sign her own health care consent form and she would identify herself as June or whomever.

And you would have identification.

If she had no identification, that presents a problem.

We would probably say to you, go home and bring back some identification

unless it was an emergency.

If it was an emergency, they would just take her to the operating room and do the best that they could.

And now, two questions here.

If she is in a coma and can't answer those questions,

they could maybe fat, like, would they, or she had amnesia?

Would it like, I guess we're trying to figure out what plot point of this movie.

If she had amnesia and she couldn't remember who she was, it would still go back to ID.

Yeah, you'd have to somebody would have to bring in first of all an evaluation from a psychiatrist okay that she actually has amnesia and how you know this

soon in other words within the like let's say the last two two weeks to a month and that during that period of time you might have gone to work might have gone to court and you obtained guardianship or in the process of becoming her guardian or you had paperwork from an attorney identifying who you were and who she was etc so that they could go ahead okay this is fascinating and really helps us with this movie that we're talking about and i appreciate your expertise thank you so much

all right all right bye

so what my mom said was the ambulance driver would look for id

So she would see the ID of the person.

Now, in this scenario, she could have swapped IDs very easily because she might have had her husband's ID from when she dumped him in the boat.

What if there is no ID?

Well, we thought it was interesting that you chose to represent it as what if you and June were in an accident, you wanted to reconstruct June, not the opposite as is shattered.

I just needed to put it in a personal moment so she could understand the stakes that we're talking about.

So she said to me that ID is very important.

If the person couldn't speak and they were incredibly damaged,

that they would rush them to the ER and do the best that they could.

But it wouldn't be about

recreating to a face necessarily as much as it would be fixing what they could get done.

But it would be about ID.

And then I said, what about amnesia?

And she said that for amnesia to be a viable part of this, the person would have to have gone through a court system and you'd have to be legally given guardianship of the person to make those decisions

for

your person that you are you you asked her what are those forms and how can i get them and i did i have her send

them is it a piece of i have her sending me uh a document so i'm gonna take a look at that and just do that right now like a dateline episode

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You know, by the way, I do think this is, here's a couple things that I think are coming out of this that actually are important and maybe important for all of us to listen to.

I don't carry my ID on me at all times.

June, you barely are able to keep your wallet unlost for more than two months.

I know.

I have trouble keeping those things together.

So much so that you take my keys and then my keys go lost for a long period of time.

Now, Paul, remember when you, you literally, I don't think, have forgiven me for when I lost the keys to your rental car and we couldn't return it.

Yes, I rented it.

What did you have to do?

Oh, Jason.

All right.

So let me just paint the picture here.

Are you still renting the car?

Well, I rented a car because my car isn't

to buy it.

It was

to me,

my wonderful,

my wonderful wife says to me, She says, I'm gonna get us coffee.

So, I said, Great.

She said, I'll take the rental car.

I said, Perfect.

That's what was so confusing.

She goes down the block,

goes down to the coffee store, down the block.

And then I get get a call five minutes later and she says i lost the rental keys i can't get back in the car i'm like wait wait what do you mean you lost the rental keys you you you just left you just drove there you just got out what happened it

i i lost them and i'm like what have you looked around the parking lot yes they're nowhere

so the the the car was sitting in the coffee store's parking lot unable to be accessed.

And it was one of those things, and this is an issue I have with rental car companies.

They put both keys on the same

thing.

And you can't separate them.

You can't separate them.

So it's like you're going to lose both keys.

Yeah.

If you're going to lose them, you're going to lose them.

And the keys were not in the car.

She was not the keys.

In the car.

No.

They were lost.

They were never found.

They were a big, chunky, like, you know, Hertz rental car.

Like, it wasn't like.

What did you have to do?

There was a lot of paperwork to fill out.

And like, did they have to come and tow it away?

Well, at a certain point,

did they have to?

Well, we released our reliability was released.

I believe that it's one of those moments where I was very thankful that I took out the insurance because it was like, hey, we lost the keys to the car.

And they're like, well, you have the insurance.

And it's like, that's it.

Don't worry about it.

We got it from here.

So where is it going?

Wow, that's an interesting.

Yeah, I guess that's for you guys, knowing that that is like a regular part of your lives, losing keys, the insurance makes sense.

Anyway, so anyway, so my mom was leading.

So my mom has posited that it would be impossible, but if the damage was so severe, they could have rushed him into surgery.

Now, what I'm realizing is I thought

that because I figured out the twist early on, that Greta Saatchi had planned this entire thing ahead of time, but it seems to me

she was running like she was going on the floor.

She was making some game time decisions and they were

life-changing.

By the way, she got really close to pulling it off.

For sure.

Really close

back and I'm like, I kind of blame that doctor.

Well, because they rushed.

Okay.

They rushed to make some choices.

And look, a couple times in the show.

She made some assumptions even that that was her husband.

Sure.

I mean, you're right.

Yeah, no, it's true.

I mean, like, he was wrong.

He should have gone a little bit further.

Yes, exactly.

There was

the passenger you were with.

Why would he assume that that was her husband?

Well, there was a, and there was, there was a lot of confusion in the because everybody, it turns out everybody's cheating with other people in the movie.

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, because Tom Barringer's character is also having an affair with Corbin Burnson's wife, played by Joan Wally Killer.

Can we just expand our grouping of friends?

Everyone's fucking each other's wives.

It just seems like it's going to be be bound for

issues.

Listen, the rich people in the 90s and the early 90s, like that was

the thing.

San Francisco.

I got to get it.

I got to have Corbin Burnson's wife.

By the way, is that the prequel to Major League?

I was wondering about, or maybe it's a post-quality.

Yeah.

What was the one with John Lithgow that I think was also set in San Francisco?

Oh, that one.

That was the Denzel Washington one where he gives him

Pacific Heights, which is San Francisco.

That's my favorite thing.

A lot of San Francisco was in,

a lot of erotic thrillers were set in San Francisco for some reason.

That's interesting, because this is San Francisco before the tech boom.

Exactly.

This is like

Silicon Valley.

Marina work.

This is another one of those weird professions in a movie.

They were in marina.

They were in the marina business.

So much so that when Tom Dean was in the middle of the day,

they were building like condos and they were building on the water on the marina.

using that was like their site that they were gonna okay so they were they were a building place they were a build yeah they were like i don't know developers basically they were developers but they paul is right that they this was such a weird fucking thing that they had this boat yes that was housing all of their toxic material toxic waste mode that they keep wading through yes i was like why would you wade through the toxic wastewater and at certain points they're covering their nose like the smell is so bad but the final act everyone's everyone's not covering their face at all.

Bob Hoskins goes under this.

I want to

PSA needs to happen here.

Bob Hoskins goes underwater.

He's repeatedly using an asthma inhaler throughout the movie.

Bob Hoskins.

He's a British New Yorker.

So this accent, which you get like insane moments like this.

You see, Mr.

Merrick,

my guess is that you killed him.

The night I sent you the pictures, the night you had the accident.

My guess is your wife's been covering up for you all along.

And my guess is Jenny Scott somehow put the pieces together and was threatening to go to the cops.

I didn't kill Jenny.

What about Stanton?

Maybe I did.

Maybe that's the block that the doctors are talking about.

Maybe I'm a raving psychopath, but I can't remember.

So good.

But he

goes underwater and he's shot.

He goes underwater.

He seems to drown, okay?

Yes.

And then he's underwater.

He's on the way for a long time.

He's underwater for so long.

Then he arrives arrives day you six machines style to save the day, to save not Tom Barringer, Tom Barringer's life.

And he said, and he's like, how did you survive?

And he's like, you know what?

I had my own supply.

And he holds up his asthma inhaler as if it's a scuba tank that provides oxygen that allowed him to breathe underwater.

And that is not how an asthma inhaler works.

And you're not somebody who uses an asthma inhaler.

Same.

Okay.

Like, it doesn't, there's no oxygen in there.

It's no,

it's a medication.

It's usually a bronchodilator, which is opening up your airway.

Which would make him actually more susceptible, I think, to dying.

Yes.

But by the way,

he's also shot in the arm.

His re,

like, his ability to get back in the game is quick.

He gets shot.

He goes underwater.

He almost drowns.

He gets out of the boat.

He gets himself repaired.

Gets in a hell.

hell by the way the cops are like come with us we need you in the helicopter too i have no idea why he's in the helicopter at the end i mean it's like the police helicopter must go and pick him up and and and um tom behringer and grett a skaki have or skotchi or whatever have only driven just up the hill a bit well i mean so much has happened in bob hoskins's timeline compared to what's happened in theirs and by the way can i just say something about this movie the lax nature of this movie

in their laws?

Because first of all, they were drunk driving.

At no point does anyone hold them accountable.

It's like, oh yeah, yeah, well, you were driving because it's New Year's.

You were drunk.

I mean, of course.

Like, it's like that.

There's no judgment.

There's no crime.

There's no

judgment on it.

It is just fact.

And when Tom Barringer gets out of the hospital, the first scene that we see is them driving back into San Francisco, and he is clearly out of his seat without a fucking seatbelt on, kissing Greta.

I'm like, dude, you just got into a horrible car accident.

Put the seatbelt on.

Also, you have amnesia.

He seems, he goes to the office.

He's trying to do work.

Guy, you have amnesia.

That would destroy you.

But this is the thing he is.

These people like Corbin Burnson, his best friend, is like, let me go talk to Jack in the other room.

He goes, all right, Jack, we got to talk about this marina.

It's like, this man,

he has no idea.

He has no idea what's happening.

He doesn't know who you are.

Burnson's like, you've been doing some pretty good work in here.

What's he been doing?

Here's something that I had to, at the end, look back and think, which was, did Jack always kind of want this man's life?

I think that Jack wanted him to, I think he wanted to edge him out of the business because he knew he was fucking his wife.

Oh, you mean Corbin Burnson?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Sorry.

I think that Corbin Burnson wanted to edge him out.

Talking about, what's the name of the man?

No, no, you're right.

You're right.

Oh, Jack Stanton.

Jack Stanton.

Oh, Jack Stanton is

Jack Stanton just wanted to be with

Tom Barringer's wife.

Well, that's interesting because then Jack Stanton is kind of a savant.

Like, how was he able to do this?

That's what I was going to say.

Yes.

Like, he's going to the office.

He's doing some work that Corbin Burnson is impressed by.

This guy is like a fake.

He's not really Tom Barrington.

What did Jack Stanton do in his own life?

He's successful because he drives a Porsche, but we don't.

Obviously.

maybe he's like a sugar, like maybe he's like, like

a side guy, like just wealthy women give him money to like a midnight cowboy.

You know, he's just sort of a, but there is something about

we never did get information about Jack Stanton's like actual life.

Like, no, and that's like, I wish this was somebody explored a little bit.

Like, who's Jack Stanton's family?

Anybody?

No, I guess not.

He literally.

Nobody's looking for him.

He, he, well, he sends the facts.

I got that job in Japan.

To whom did he send that?

To someone named Paul.

To Paul.

He's on his boss.

To his boss at whatever business he worked at.

Well, then my question is, okay.

To you.

Oh, I got it.

You know what?

I should have returned that fax.

Oh, oh, wait.

The fax machine moment.

When that is revealed that there was a fax sent from his office, Tom Barringer, who's already been breaking mirrors and glass throughout the whole movie, picks up this fax machine that is the only bit of clue and information that they have that something is up, takes it, lifts it over his head, and then throws it out of a window of a skyscraper,

which is

so dangerous.

That window breaks open easily.

They show that it just crashes like on a lower-level landing, but still,

why the anger on the fax machine?

Why the anger on the fax machine?

Well, here's the thing.

This is what I really didn't understand.

If I'm

this woman and I know

that

I killed my husband and that my lover,

I've replaced, I've changed my lover's face so that I can be protected and so that we can be together.

I guess I just didn't understand why she wouldn't tell him.

Like, why

go through

witnessing him trying to understand who he is and take that risk?

Why let him?

Why not invite him in?

Why?

Well, so what you're asking is really interesting because it's a kind of a central flaw of the movie,

but the movie wouldn't exist without it, which is

she is trying to convince him that he's Tom Behringer.

Right.

But it must be terrified if his memories were to return, he would remember he is Jack Stanton.

What she should be doing is saying you're Jack Stanton and trying to get him to remember their love and their relationship and

that

she would have to reveal that she's a murderer because she shot her husband.

Gretasaki shot her husband.

It makes sense though.

Like that's the thing.

He was, he's, it seemed like he was going to

kill her.

Yeah, no, he's, he's really being

do we know that Tom Berringer is a bad guy.

I guess that's the question.

Do we know?

Okay, he is a bad guy.

We do.

We do.

Yeah.

It's it's it's kind of stated a couple of times and then it's shown in one of the flashbacks.

He's like a he's a he's a real piece of shit, which helps you understand why Corbin Burnson and Joanne Wally Kilmer and all those people were like, oh yeah, you were a shitty husband.

You were a bad guy.

You were this.

But Joanne Wally Kilmer is having an affair with him.

So she couldn't think he's that shitty because they were going to get married and run away.

They were in, they were in love.

But the thing that Jack Stanton says to

Greta Scotch in the car is,

I'm not going to do this.

We've got to go to the police.

I have to tell the police, you know, and that's when

he's definitively like, I'm not going to help you get away with this.

Right.

And she drives him off the road.

Correct.

And so I think that what she's trying to do, because she's such a liar, because we've set that up too, that Greta Saatchi is like a big-time liar and that she's always making up stories.

That I think that she thought she could have her kick and eat it, too, which is, I could, I can remake the husband that I want.

with the great sex that makes me think I'm crashing waves, which I found to be a very odd representation of sex.

Crashing waves and breaking glass.

Yeah, Yeah, so bizarre.

So, but she didn't, she

uh didn't realize that Jack would get suspicious, and as it's revealed here, I saw both you go in that hotel, you saw me go in, I got changed, and then I went out the back door where I had the Porsche parked.

You dress up like Stanton,

and you almost killed me.

Now you're telling me that I killed Stanton.

Wait a minute,

before the accident, that's what you said?

Yeah.

You fucking liar!

Jack Stanton was alive and well and in my office sending up facts five hours after the accident!

That was me!

I sent the facts!

To make believe Stanton was still alive!

Why do you think I checked out of the hospital so goddamn fast to start covering for you?

But then you brought back Klein.

Don't you see?

You hired someone to find out that you're a murderer.

You hired somebody to send you to the gas chamber.

That's right.

He hired a PI to find out that he, like, he hired a PI, and this unravels the whole thing.

Bob Hoskins, really the hero of the story.

And a great character.

You know what I mean?

Like, he owns a pet store, but he's a private investigator.

Like, I loved all of this character work because everybody else is so like, you know, oh, we work in a skyscraper.

We drive Porsches, blah, blah, blah.

He's a real like street-level, down and dirty kind of like, yeah, I'm a PI.

I drive this car.

I work.

I kiss a snake.

Like it's really, I really liked him.

But how?

So then, so then

in this world, Tom Behringer hired him.

So Tom Behringer found him.

Yes.

God knows how to find, to get information.

All right, so I just want to lay out the plot.

Tom Barringer hires a private item to get definitive proof that his wife is cheating on him because he wants to leave his wife and and marry Corbin Burnson's wife.

No, I don't think so.

Okay, but he is definitely getting information on her because why?

Well, I think because he suspects she's cheating on him.

Yeah, and he saw those photos and stuff, but I don't think that he's

the original.

He's talking about the original, the real Tom Berringer.

The real Tom Berringer.

The real Tom Beringer, not the

Tom Beringer's

Tom Beringer who shot.

Yeah, so the original Tom Berringer, who is dead or in that tank in the toxic waste and seemingly is doing fine.

Like his body is

Bob Hoskins says, little did they know it was formaldehyde, so it's going to keep, it's going to preserve.

It's not going to break down.

The formaldehyde boat.

Like I love that that.

Oh, you know, the old formaldehyde boat that's good that's sinking.

Why would formaldehyde be in their materials even?

Who knows?

Like,

not much of it.

I mean, the fact that they had to dub this man's voice.

So basically, we also are saying that

Jack stanton and tom behringer both had the same voice and they looked alike so it's also like she definitely had a type but i believe that he was trying to get her out of the picture by proving that she was cheating on him but then he comes home on new year's eve and he's like you bitch you

you're cheating on me so he just saw the pictures he confronts her about the pictures and then she calls jack stanton who was at corbin burnson's party but they didn't seem like were they at corbin burnson's party too no i think he was at didn't he say he was at the Hacienda or the hotel?

Hacienda.

But Corbin Burns.

He was at the Hacienda.

But Jack Stanton was at the party because when they cut to him, he's on the

backdrop at the hotel.

That's a little insane.

I'm not sure.

I don't think he's at Corbin Burnson's party, though.

You don't think so?

I thought that that's.

Okay, so the Hacienda's having a big party.

Then maybe I'll be able to get it.

I assume he's because it's New Year's Eve.

Got it.

Regardless.

And we know it's New Year's Eve because in the date book,

in the date book, Tom Beringer writes, remember to get champagne for New Year's Eve.

Remember to get champagne.

So he's mad at his wife for cheating on him.

So he's confronting her.

She shoots him.

So basically, she shoots him because he's mad at her because she's cheating.

But

I think what we're meant to believe, I believe, is that she shot him

a little too quickly.

And that's why Jack Stanton is not.

I'm shooting a little too quickly.

Because I think, I think.

All right,

A little too quickly.

I think that Tom Berringer is yelling at her and screaming at her.

And he's like,

he throws her into the

night table.

He slaps her.

He's confronting her.

And they talk about her.

Okay, all right.

My theory falls apart.

I forgot.

And the Corbin Burnson dinner.

How damaged would you like her to be?

Unrecognizable?

Well, but she picks up a gun and tries to defend herself.

But why didn't Jack Stanton go, well, he was attacking you?

I got your back.

Like, let's figure this.

She's like,

her immediate thing is,

let's bury him in the boat.

Because if they don't crash, there's no plan.

What's the plan if they don't crash the car?

That's the yeah, that's the question is they get rid of the body, but Jack Stanton is still saying, we got to call the police.

I got to go to the police.

I can't do this.

But what I couldn't figure out was Tom Beringer seemed to be an abusive, like

a nasty character.

So why not call the police and say it was self-determined?

Well, that's what I'm saying.

That's what I can't.

Well, that's like, that's the issue that I'm trying to.

Even Jack Stanton would probably back her up, you know,

from what he saw.

Well, that's what I'm saying.

Like, he was attacking her.

I walked in on it.

She shot him.

I was here.

I saw the whole thing.

But he doesn't do that.

Instead, he helps her hide the body.

And at that point, he's like, we got to, like, there are so many, like, this is the craziest moment because even if he went along say he goes along with a plan yes we're gonna hide the body let's go to the ship let's go hide the body they hide the body in the ship then the plan is what he's just disappeared well the movie would make sense if it was like okay then you know we're gonna get you in an accident we're gonna make you look like him right and then yeah jack stanton will die and we have all this money

you sell the business

you will be rich i will we will and we will live happily ever after that would seem to be like a plan they both would have.

So the

fact that it is, they are in disagreement and then the disagreement turns into a tussle and then they drive off the edge.

She seems to be making the plan up as she goes.

Very much so.

I mean, what do you think that the party guests at the hacienda must have thought when she walked in with her Jack Stanton wig on?

Yes, and leather jacket.

And leather jacket and walked through the lobby and I guess back

door.

She walked in the lobby.

She was flailing about.

She was in a free fall this entire time.

We didn't know it, but she was freaking the fuck out.

I wish the movie had been told from her point of view.

I wish there was a sequel that was just told from her point of view.

Because she walks in, she walks in to

huh.

She walks into the hacienda as herself, I guess rents a room, quickly changes, and then walks out through the back door with that wig, which is a great looking wig.

And I mean, when she takes off that wig, it is what a great wig.

And then she comes back in with the wig on.

Yes, she goes back into the house with the wig on.

But here's my question, too.

When she said, I'm Jack Stanton, I'm calling you.

She doesn't immediately think it's like Paul or somebody else trying to black.

Like, does she think that someone's trying to blackmail her?

Or does she think that they didn't do the job?

Because she knows.

She's doing that on purpose.

To throw him off and the power cast off.

Okay, got it.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

okay, okay, okay.

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I will say that there's a great quote from Greta Saatchi.

I guess, you know, she said, you know, she had a breakthrough role in heat and dust, and she kind of earned a reputation for being relaxed about on-screen nudity

because she has been naked in a handful of movies.

And she said,

with this movie, I just kind of reached my max.

There I was in missionary position with like the sixth famous actor in six months on top of me.

It was like Harrison Ford, Vincent D'Anofrio, Jimmy Smitz, now Tom Behringer.

And I'm like, I can't do this anymore.

And so that was the end.

And she's like, I'm done.

I'm done being naked on screen.

This movie broke her.

Wow.

And just because I'm sure people have been screaming at us, I looked it up.

It is Greta Scottie.

Scottke.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I just thought that was a funny quote from her to be like, she just got in this rut of just like, who is this man on top of me again?

No thanks.

No, thank you.

Well, and that's the thing is, like, all of these erotic thrillers, like, they had sex scenes in them.

And they had, like, we watched, what did we watch?

Jade?

Yeah.

Is that what we did?

Yeah, yeah.

Which is similar to this.

Yeah, which has similar vibes and similar like powerful men being terrible to women and all of the rest, you know?

And this one is,

and they all somehow are set in San Francisco.

And here's the other thing.

Very strange.

I'm just going to say that San Francisco, obviously known for its very interesting streets and architecture, and like, and

from a car standpoint, a great place for a car chase

where do they where do they do a chase side drives you know like it's pretty but where do they do their car chase in this in the redwood forest like there is like a porsche jumping over bushes like they're they're doing a two-person car chase in the forest like it looks like out of something out of return to the jedi uh like just running around through redwoods it's so weird uh and then she also shoots at him and then explains that away is like well i didn't mean i wasn't gonna really shoot at him.

She's trying to scare him.

Just trying to scare him.

Well, here,

is Sleeping with the Enemy also in this is all in the same little zone.

I don't know if it's San Francisco.

I feel like that might be like the Pacific Northwest or something.

I feel like everyone's leaving San Francisco or going to

San Francisco.

Yeah, I mean, my gosh.

I will say that this movie gets a B-plus audience score.

I'm going to say something.

We haven't really talked about it, but I...

Yeah, Sleeping with the Enemy from Cape Cod to Iowa.

Okay, I did not hate this movie.

No, I liked it.

No, no, no, no.

I enjoyed the watch.

So, I, you know, I don't know if I enjoyed it like as a film or I enjoyed it for this, but it was like, of all the movies that we watched, it was there was an energy, there's a pulse to it that was different that I enjoyed.

It made me nostalgic for the movies of this time.

That's literally what I was just going to say.

I was like, I don't know that I enjoyed this as much as it triggered an enjoyable nostalgia.

Yeah, like I actually think tonight I might want to watch Sleeping with the Enemy.

Well, like, there are better movies in this,

there are better movies in this category.

We named it Hades.

Jagged, Jagged Body Heat,

that are so good and that are so fantastic that this is just an echo of those and still

is fun to watch.

But this movie really, unless you figure out, or until you figure, until you are told the twist, the movie is purposefully confusing.

Yes.

Well, you know what I mean?

It is constantly trying to confuse you so that you won't figure it out.

Which at times is annoying.

Well, they basically are like, she's a liar, he's abusive, you're having an affair, your hands are different, you're over here, you're wearing a wig, we're going over here, I miss, such, took that, you're here, like I have an accent, I'm a New Yorker, I'm wearing such a New York hat, but I have a British accent.

What?

Like, there's like that New Yorker accent, I still can't get over.

It's, yeah, I mean, like, he, you know, Bob Hoskins, the master of accents, as we saw in Mario, Super Mario.

My favorite was when Tom Behringer goes to the office for the first time.

He, again, has full-blown amnesia.

Yeah.

And his assistant brings him coffee and she says, you know,

coffee with Two Splenda or whatever she says.

I can't remember, too sweet and low,

something like that.

And he goes, Hey,

did you and me ever go to the Hacienda Hotel when he's basically says that?

Asking his assistant if they had an affair upon his return to the office with amnesia.

He's like, I just need to get up to speed because I have amnesia.

Did we have an affair?

When he said that to her, by the way, I wanted to call it that assistant.

The look on her face is like, buddy, no.

I loved her, by the way.

I was impressed with her hair.

I wish more women, more white ladies wore their full curls.

like

their Carol Kane curls I just we don't see that anymore no but I will say this

not seeing it I will say this and this is I'm gonna put on the shoulders of Wolfgang Peterson they made her give so many weird glances and like you felt like at one point she was gonna say I got to tell you the truth.

This is what's going on.

Because she is constantly like looking like, oh, I hope he doesn't find out or, oh, this is awkward.

But she's interacting with a totally different person.

But she's also looking at scenes like, huh, who is this?

What's going on?

Like, she is the most suspicious, but yet has no reveal at all.

She doesn't add any piece to the equation at all besides.

Nor does Corbin Burnson.

Corbin Bernson does not return in the second half of the movie.

No, Corbin Bernson does my favorite move here, and I think it was a mixture of two cuts, but when he is reviewing his work, he's sitting at Tom Barringer's desk.

He looks at his work.

He takes off his his glasses, throws them on the desk, gets up and goes, oh, you did good work here.

It's like, wait, so were you using Tom Barringer's glasses?

Or are those glasses for such effect that you have then?

Like, yeah, let me go back and get my glasses now.

I have them.

They're just punctuation glasses, which is my favorite thing.

Every time you see an attractive man in a movie, a leading man wearing glasses, that thing is like a, it is a prop among props.

Like the original Tron, Bruce Boxleitner, like the what he does with those glasses.

It's like he's doing.

Who made the wrestler, Aronofsky?

Yes.

He said that every day Mickey Rourke would try and wear glasses.

He would pull glasses out of his pocket and try and do business with glasses.

And he would have to stop him and tell Wardrobe to not let him have glasses.

Because he

every day was trying to insert glasses constantly and business with the glasses and the glasses.

And it was like a whole, he was like, most of my job on this movie was

trying to wrangle glasses out of Mickey Rourke's hands.

It's so funny to me.

It's like, it also, to me, feels like

I love an attractive man wrestling with glasses.

I just love it.

I would say, you know, you're right, Jason, about the feeling of amnesia.

And I believe that there's no finer actor playing that than Harrison Ford.

Because what Harrison Ford does is

he have amnesia or does he have a mental trauma?

Well, in regarding Henry, he has amnesia.

Well, he has amnesia from similarly from a traumatic event.

Oh,

I thought he had brain damage.

Well,

in regarding Henry, he goes into a convenience store and he's shot during like a robbery.

Yes.

And

he wakes up and is a completely, well, he's a different person, but he doesn't remember who he was.

He doesn't remember his wife, doesn't remember his daughter.

The whole movie is about like both remembering.

He has retrograde amnesia.

That's a different person.

Yeah.

It's a different person.

Yeah, but

of course, I'm not, I'm not discussing.

Well, what's the difference?

What are you parsing out here?

The difference between like amnesia.

I'm just going to leave meeting.

I know, no, I

just was joking that, like, there's all these different like,

I'm just saying that, like, Tom Behringer has

psychogenic amnesia.

He has retrograde amnesia.

What is psychogenic amnesia?

That's, I think, remembering how to do everything, but not everybody.

Whereas I think.

Oh, so he knows how to do, well, he should, he doesn't know how to do.

Well, now he's going to do things every day.

Whereas

Harrison dropped,

he knows how to,

where Harrison Ford can neither move nor talk, and he has to relearn everything.

So he's almost childlike.

And so he's kind of re like, it's just a slightly different amnesia.

That's all.

A more intense amnesia.

Can we can we call Paul's mom again and get her to really break down amnesia for us?

All right, the symptoms are

memory loss of a certain time periods, events, and people and personal information, a sense of being detached from yourself and your emotions, a perception that the people and things around you are as distorted and unreal, a blurred sense of reality.

So

that makes sense for Tom Barringer's character.

Well, I guess my point was like Tom Beringer as an actor to me.

Now, I don't really know what Jack was like, so maybe this was in like an Oscar winning performance.

But

what I love about Harrison Ford's work is like you get him, you see him coming to terms with like not knowing who he is and what he is.

And it's just so compelling to watch.

And

it would have been a different movie in Harrison Ford's hands.

Well, it's also a different movie, regarding Henry as a melodrama.

That is a good idea.

I mean, it's not a mystery kind of

Tom Beringer.

Yes, to the performance.

Well, Tom Berringer is almost without.

He's kind of like, he has no personality inside of, he's kind of a cipher inside of the movie, even though his only job is to continue to try and solve the case.

He doesn't really have a point.

We don't know.

We don't know.

We just know that he's in love with his wife, but he doesn't have the youthful sense or the like he knows.

It's almost like he knows everything, but who he is and that's a personality yes I agree with that which is a hard thing for the lead character to be kind of after maybe that's aspectless you know what I mean this is why Bruce Willis turned down the role the thing that's real is this is an era where there's a lot of amnesia in movies in this time like and I couldn't tell you a movie currently that features someone having amnesia no you know what I mean like it is it's not a thing okay can I just tell you right now by the the way, it doesn't happen anymore.

Amnesia is rare.

It affects 1% of men and 2.6% of women in the general population.

How many people get amnesia yearly?

It says

2 to 10 people per 100,000 is, that's the number.

Per 100,000, actually.

That's more than I would say.

That's a decent amount.

That's globally.

And I'm assuming that.

Almost all of this, obviously, is traumatic brain injuries.

And, you know, some of this,

people must come back.

Most of them are head and brain injuries, certain drugs, alcohol, traumatic events, and conditions such as Alzheimer's disease.

Well, listen, I remember when my mom was hit by a car and she had short-term memory loss.

That was different from amnesia, but she couldn't.

She worked at the same school for, at that point, 20 years and had the same commute and couldn't remember how to get to school.

Oh, wow.

So it is

very, very

head injury.

Any head injury.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can cause a whole

slew of issues.

And that includes like strokes and anything like that.

Sure.

You know,

can really affect your brain in ways that are shocking.

People wake up out of strokes with the ability to speak a language they couldn't speak before.

What about

Mary Steenbergen?

Who is able to

compose music?

She sees music now after she had a brain issue.

I know that.

Oh, yeah.

She became

incredibly prolific,

able to play multiple instruments and has

literally a song in her head all the time.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Something like that.

I will say that this movie came out three months after regarding Henry.

It is based on a novel.

Harrison Ford probably couldn't do this.

Probably, yeah.

There is a great, the Mike Nichols autobiography, it is absolutely fantastic, and there are so many great stories, but Mike Nichols directed regarding Henry, and there's a great story here.

He's having trouble with this movie, like trying to make it work and very openly getting frustrated at this film.

There's a scene where Harrison Fort has people over his house, and there's caviar on a tray, and Mike Nichols is like,

no, that caviar is not.

He's too rich to have, he would have better caviar than that.

Shut Shut down production, sent his assistant to go get like $10,000 worth of caviar to then be brought around the set mainly for the extras because it's not any bit of a plot point.

It's just like opening on.

It's just a prop.

Opening on like a waiter carrying a tray.

And it was just sort of like a moment in that book where like, we knew things were a little rough when he shut down production to get the right looking caviar that he spent $10,000 on.

Like, talk about the wrong thing to be trying to fix.

But this is also that era.

And this is what it all feels like: this era of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, this is, you know, it's like, it's too much.

It's too much.

And I will say this: this movie is based on a book, a 1969 novel called The Plastic Nightmare,

which I think is, I mean, at the root of it, a great idea.

Plastic surgery to take over, you know, someone else's life.

I think that that's a great.

Oh, it's a great thriller concept, you know.

Plus, amnesia.

This has got all of the ingredients of a great thriller.

It's just really hard that the central character

is so

affectless and emotionless in a lot of ways, you know.

Well, obviously, we had an opinion about this movie.

There are people out there with a different opinion.

It is now time for second opinions.

The movie was a piece of shit.

Yet this person recommends it.

Tell me what is the message.

Maybe that art is subjected.

I need a second opinion.

All right, everybody, these are five-star reviews pulled from Amazon.

There are 533 total reviews on Amazon.

71% are five-star reviews.

Only 3% are one-star reviews.

And these movie reviews are great.

From Jeffrey G.

DeLabari, he writes, I was going to buy it on 11-4, 2018.

I love this movie.

But I called my buddy Betty June, haha.

I wanted to show it to him because he knows it's a snake's name.

He thought it was funny that his best friend had the same name as a snake.

And then I looked and I said, ha ha, too much money.

I can't afford $10.

But for a very old movie, I want new,

stores will sell old DVDs for one or two dollars or three dollars.

So I'm just going to buy it there.

there.

Oh boy.

Five out of five stars title.

It's awesome.

This one is written by Ann Stern.

Ann Stern writes, a suspenseful thriller, surprise ending.

Don't watch it in the dark.

Better not watch it alone.

Enjoy it.

A great tale of suspense, five stars.

I wouldn't say that this is a movie that you can't watch in the dark.

There's nothing scary about this unless you've murdered your husband.

And he starts to figure out.

Yeah, yeah.

It's not like, like, June, you often get afraid of very, like, you know, like the things that you get afraid of are very specific to the murder that happened.

It's not like a Jason Voorhees is running around town willy-nilly murdering.

Unless you've done something very wrong, you're pretty much in the clear.

Yeah, there's no present danger, really, in this movie.

Yeah.

Like, are you guys prepared?

You know, like, we talk about like having, like, being prepared for certain things, having an earthquake kit, having, like, you know, things available to you, you know, in case of emergency or whatever.

Do you have any kind of amnesia kit?

Something that will remind you who you are should you find yourself in the position of having amnesia and is that something that we should have if june i think we should all put together uh i mean hasn't that been why we're recording this podcast yeah i have a bunch of things in june's amnesia kit to remind her of certain things uh yeah triggers triggers yeah so i have and you don't even know about this but these things will will bring you yeah i have uh a a cosplay a batman cosplay outfit i'm gonna if you come back from amnesia i'm gonna create you into a super nerd.

I'm going to tell you just two more reviews because they're really great.

This one's written by BWJ.

Says all great actors.

The story keeps you on the edge.

Not knowing who he is and why is good writing.

The Animal Keeper is great in his role.

Very good.

Shattered.

Great movie.

Five stars.

Animal Keeper.

Animal Keeper.

But this one is the one I really want to read from Dr.

Jacques Coulardot.

Ooh.

Dr.

Jacques Coulardot wrote this in December 16th, 10 days before, or, you know, nine days before Christmas, 2005.

A thriller based on the loss of memory after a car accident.

Banal.

The poor man who is trying to know what happened and is feeling something that is not what it should be has it all wrong from the very start and is the prisoner of the real killer who is ready to do anything to keep him.

But is the loss of memory hiding the past of the man or the past of the murderer?

That is the question.

And that is where the plot is as thick as smog.

Till the very last minute, or nearly, there is no hope for you to know the truth.

And when you finally know, it becomes so hectic on screen that you don't even have the power or energy to scream.

And scream, you should.

Signed, Dr.

Jacques Coulardot, University of Paris, Dauphine, University of Paris, Pantheon, Sorbonne.

Five stars.

It thrills pretty much.

Wow.

Dr.

Jacques really.

From the Sorbonne.

I mean, I know he says it's banal at first, but I guess he really got into it.

I mean, that was it.

Really?

What a ride.

And Scream, you should.

Wow.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Should our shirt for this movie just be, who am I?

I'm not me.

Man, oh man, this movie

is so, so good.

You know, it got, it like i said people like it 55 on the uh the audience score on rotten tomato uh the budget was 22 million the opening weekend uh it grossed uh 3.4

and then it made a worldwide gross of 11.5 the top three movies in 91 terminator 2 judgment day robin hood prince of thieves and home alone this movie came in 102nd out of all the movies made in 1991 it was beaten by films that we've done on the podcast teenage ninja turtles 2 cigarettes of the ooze look who's talking to hudson hawk highlander 2 drop dead Fred, which just came out on Vinegar Syndrome, which is a great website that redoes classic cult films.

Check it out if you don't know what that is.

That's how we got a copy of Tammy and T-Rex.

The movie beat Body Parts and Nothing But Trouble, Mannequin 2 on the Move, and Cool as Ice.

Wow, big year for sequels in 91.

All number twos.

But that's just a little bit of information there.

And the tagline is a love he can't forget and a murder he can't remember.

Oh,

I like it.

Nice.

Would you recommend the film?

I mean, we've talked about this a little bit.

I think across the board, right?

I mean, there are, I mentioned a bunch of other movies that I would watch before this that are this genre but better, but this certainly fits into them.

And I would say, go ahead, watch it.

It's, it's a, it's a lower-tier erotic thriller, you know, but still fun.

Yeah, I feel the same.

You know, I told, I told Jason and Paul, like, I wasn't feeling that well.

And this movie did

provide some amount of joy and comfort so I

genuinely enjoyed it and it is

it felt more like oh it's nice to watch this movie like Jason said so you can watch better movies they're not they're also like they don't make mid-budget comedies that much anymore and they don't make thrillers like the same way this would be a perfect zone for Netflix to get in let's re let's bring back

the malices let's bring back the penwhile fears but we also like we also don't have like

eroticism in movies like the erotic thriller we don't have like sex like this in movies anymore this isn't it's not tied up in this kind of stuff like those kind of like we we do movies now that are about like just serial killers or you know or whatever you know i mean like but this was this was the kind of movie that you would rent at the video store you know so happily i would see this cover and and

where people are like making out.

People are making out on the cover.

Like that's the other thing, too.

It's like these movies were about like

why do we have to watch it with our families?

Because that's all you did.

Everybody watched you when you rented a movie, everybody watched it together.

Because also your parents are like, I watch all your fucking bullshit.

This is the time for us to sit back and

have a little bit of a mystery.

This is

our time.

June, I know, talking about amnesia, if you are okay telling the story, I do love the story of your mom watching Jason Bourne, another famous

person have amnesiac, and what your mom said to your sister.

Don't you tell it, babe, because you're going to remember the exact phrasing.

Well, so Jason Bourne is, you know, having sex in that movie, and June's mom turns to her sister and goes, well, he didn't forget that.

Wouldn't it be great?

Wouldn't it be great if Jason Bourne, if it's Franca Potentate, I think, is starts to have sex with him.

He goes, What are you doing?

What is this?

What's happening?

What are you doing?

Didn't forget that.

Jason, June, I want to remind everybody that we continue this conversation on how did this get made last looks, where you get to weigh in on all the things that we might have missed.

You might have been able to clarify some points that we have some issues with here.

Maybe you have some information about the pet store they shot in because we are really getting into deep dives.

From Dancing It's On.

We got a lot of information about that movie.

There is amazing wealth of red carpet footage from Dancing It's On.

So you get to watch everybody talk about their experiences in the film.

But so tune into that.

Also, Jason and I are often on there talking about what we like in a little segment called Quar Chat.

But besides that,

June, what do you want to plug anything?

Well, I've already talked about Dateline,

but it really is

a nice podcast to listen to.

It just is.

It just is.

It's really nice.

It must be, because I don't know if you guys feel this way about podcasts that you listen to.

It must be nice to listen to a podcast that you hope to never be a guest on.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

You know,

and I don't,

I also like I'm weirded out by the true crime community and the sort of exploitation of victims.

So please know that I, there obviously are victims of horrific crimes on

this show.

But for some of us, it is

their stories are

cautionary tales.

And you get to like really hear about red flags and really look at your partner

and ask some questions.

Okay.

Even on Zoom, that was uncomfortable.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

Interesting.

Again, the number of you want to call.

Jason, anything you want to promote?

I will mention I was on Jason Concepcion's podcast, X-Ray Vision, recently, just talking about comic books,

which was a blast, talking about lots of great stuff.

And I'll just throw out a recommendation to people because we talked about their wonderful book, Mr.

Miracle, but Tom King, Mitch Garridz, who did our How Did This Get Made

tour poster, and Evan Doc Shanner have done

another book called Strange Adventures that's just now completed and is in hardcover, so you can get that.

And it is a fantastic comic series.

And then I'll just also mention Brian Kayvaughan and Fiona Staples' saga is back finally with new issues.

So if you want to catch up on that, it is maybe one of the best ongoing comics

in the moment.

So it's I agree with that 100%.

I have nothing of note, I think, to promote, but I would like to tell everybody that we are doing live shows.

That's right.

We are doing live shows.

April 14th is the next show.

We've just added a brand new one, so see if you can get tickets for that.

Two shows back to back.

And stay tuned for some

at Largo.

Yes, thank you.

At Largo in Los Angeles.

And we have some more shows coming up hopefully soon.

So check out hdtgm.com.

And remember, if you want to call in, have your voice heard on Last Looks, you want to ask me a question about your life or Cody or Devin or Molly, You can do that at 619-PAUL-A-S-K, or you could just talk about this movie.

I can't wait to

get back to these live shows, and we will see everybody who's coming out to our first live show this month at Largo in just a little bit.

All right, so a big thank you to our super producer, Cody Fisher, our engineer, Devin Bryant, our other producer, Molly, our movie picking producer, Averill Halley, and of course, all the amazing people that do the artwork for the show.

That is the ghost of Craig T.

Nelson on Instagram.

That's Zach McGalese.

And of course, Kyle Waldron.

You see all their work on our Facebook and Instagram pages.

And speaking of that, you can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, all the different places all the time because that's, you know, we are social people.

We love it.

A big thank you to our publisher, July Diaz, who does an amazing job at making sure this episode gets out and gets into your ears.

right on time and not like those episodes that you don't get like on dateline that you mentioned

they're pretty good and of course oh sec cheap public where we have our shirts and available and right now we are running a special promotion uh all benefits to our shirt from Dancing It's On goes to benefit Ukrainian relief funds.

And that's pretty amazing that TeePublic is doing that and we were very happy to do that as well.

So we'll see you next week on Last Books.

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