Jack's Back LIVE! w/ Lisa Gilroy

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Speaker 19 We are live at Largo for a very special how did this get made?

Speaker 18 It's Paul, it's Jason, and our very special guest tonight talking about a movie that came out in 1988

Speaker 25 called Jack's Back.

Speaker 2 And by the title, you would think this is a movie that has to do with Jack the Ripper

Speaker 25 or Jack the Ripper coming back

Speaker 21 or time travel.

Speaker 25 or just a bunch of people getting murdered.

Speaker 27 No, none of that.

Speaker 30 It's about a brother who has like a time-life book connection to his other brother

Speaker 18 and thinks something is up.

Speaker 3 IMDb says a serial killer in Los Angeles celebrates Jack the Ripper's 100th birthday by committing similar murders.

Speaker 35 Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 18 That's like the season.

Speaker 36 That's like the Rosencrantz and Gildersern version of this movie.

Speaker 22 It's happening in a different part of it.

Speaker 22 The tagline of this movie.

Speaker 26 100 years ago in the city of London, in the East End slum of Whitechapel, a man shocked the world by murdering, raping, and mutilating five women. He was never caught.

Speaker 22 That's the tagline of this movie.

Speaker 30 This movie that takes place in a time in LA where Labamba is playing.

Speaker 17 at the movie theater.

Speaker 19 I know that because they drive by it.

Speaker 19 That line was all about Whitechapel and the, yeah, he was never caught. And we're not going to get any further into that mystery in this film at all.

Speaker 2 But man, oh man, we do get double spader.

Speaker 46 To break it down for you tonight, we are going to have some great guests.

Speaker 2 And our first, not even guest, but co-host is Jason Manzuc.

Speaker 2 What's up, jerks?

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Speaker 24 Let's go, Largo. Okay.

Speaker 38 Okay.

Speaker 49 Well, okay.

Speaker 29 We got to talk about Spader all night.

Speaker 11 This one, wow.

Speaker 50 Wow.

Speaker 45 Front to back, top to bottom. T2B.

Speaker 51 Vibes, baby.

Speaker 52 I was on board for whatever.

Speaker 53 We don't have spader anymore.

Speaker 54 We don't have spaders.

Speaker 38 I mean, we've got literal spader, but we don't have anybody that's doing whatever this is.

Speaker 3 It's this is a tone poem.

Speaker 57 It's weird.

Speaker 58 Yes.

Speaker 59 What a mistake that he never worked with Terrence Malik.

Speaker 61 Wouldn't that have been fascinating?

Speaker 63 I don't know if Terrence Malik can handle it.

Speaker 4 Here's what I will say.

Speaker 31 That this movie was directed and written by Rowdy.

Speaker 23 Harrington, who went on after this movie to direct Roadhouse.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 4 The producer Joel Silver, Rowdy, yeah, Rowdy, saw this and was like, I got the guy, I got the guy, which is odd because

Speaker 35 I couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

Speaker 65 And I loved it.

Speaker 66 I don't, yes.

Speaker 68 What a magic trick.

Speaker 69 What a magic trick this movie pulled off.

Speaker 52 A movie in which every single character appeared to be guilty of something.

Speaker 54 Everybody is like, wait a minute.

Speaker 70 Like everybody acted like they were the killer.

Speaker 72 It is a movie that's so confused in so many ways.

Speaker 18 We're going to break it all down.

Speaker 16 But tonight, sitting in the June chair, we have a very special guest.

Speaker 20 You know her from shows like Jury Duty, Interior Chinatown, the studio.

Speaker 74 The studio she just won on Dropout's Game Changer and hosted after midnight.

Speaker 18 Please welcome Lisa Gilroy.

Speaker 36 Yes, yes.

Speaker 30 Welcome.

Speaker 31 Welcome, Lisa.

Speaker 77 I don't need a big jock to hang me. I can hang myself.

Speaker 24 Oh, my God.

Speaker 16 You know, this is your first time here on the show, and we give you Jack's back.

Speaker 62 What's your, like, before you watch it, do you have any?

Speaker 77 I thought it was going to be a Jack Black movie.

Speaker 27 I would like Jack Black to remake it.

Speaker 71 It would be great.

Speaker 41 I mean,

Speaker 83 I was really interested in this because this is a movie that growing up, I remember seeing this cover box.

Speaker 62 I remember seeing this, like, I've seen this, and I never, never took it out, but I thought from the cover, it was like a Jack.

Speaker 16 I did think it was a Jack the Ripper thing. I just thought, like, oh, James Spader is Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 23 Okay, I'm in.

Speaker 59 And it really wants you to believe that for like a second.

Speaker 84 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Because this movie isn't really even about those murders.

Speaker 66 Not at all.

Speaker 86 Neither. It's not even about 100 years.

Speaker 87 It's not even about exactly it's not even about sydney's murders spoiler alert the the boss sydney yep the big twist at the end now when you google this movie people are like and the twist will blow your mind it really you know why like he's the only person left at a certain point yes and he's also the only person that would ever sing start spreading the news

Speaker 77 or or the other old man song but like he i don't see james james fader can't even speak above a whisper you think he's gonna sing like that in the shower? It was never him.

Speaker 90 I thought it would be like his split personality had a great like Frank Sinatra voice.

Speaker 92 Can I say something? Yes.

Speaker 93 And I mean this with all with all sincerity.

Speaker 70 I did not realize until I, because I wrote it down, I think minute 46 that he was now playing his twin brother.

Speaker 96 Okay.

Speaker 76 I

Speaker 59 had a tremendous amount of problems understanding double spader.

Speaker 46 It took me a minute to be like, Doc Spader wears a baseball hat.

Speaker 81 Bad boy Spader wears a sleeveless v-neck t-shirt.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 31 I believe an earring. I almost got caught in the switch as well because I was like, oh, he just dreamt that he tried to stop the murder and was killed.
And then I was like, then what happened?

Speaker 77 How did you think that? Because the murder happened right outside his bedroom window.

Speaker 99 Yes.

Speaker 69 So we're to believe, we're to believe that James Spader, the bad boy,

Speaker 50 has moved back to Los Angeles, having not talked to his brother for two years and moves across the park for where his brother works?

Speaker 58 Well, was it even where his brother works?

Speaker 20 Wasn't it like a gym?

Speaker 32 Because I feel like he got killed in an auditorium.

Speaker 85 Wait, James Spader?

Speaker 33 Yeah, basically.

Speaker 70 No, he got killed at the clinic.

Speaker 77 The clinic was also a church. You guys are so fucking stupid.

Speaker 67 There is a lot of, like I am also confused.

Speaker 41 This movie, first of all, one of the nurses at one point says we're so busy I can't right now.

Speaker 46 They are dead.

Speaker 21 There's not a single person there and it's the same six people who are in the bar later who are just like

Speaker 43 I this is what was confusing me for a long time.

Speaker 72 I was like is he a cop or is he a doctor?

Speaker 3 Because this is

Speaker 29 Spader Prime?

Speaker 30 Spader Prime, because this Spader Prime, this is his doctor's office.

Speaker 51 Yes.

Speaker 19 I've never seen doctors have their own desks set up like a police precinct.

Speaker 104 Yes.

Speaker 54 And this office place has a bullpen.

Speaker 66 Yes.

Speaker 33 Where all of the doctors sit, and it's in like a craftsman house in Eagle Rock.

Speaker 65 I don't know what's going on at all in this movie, but I love it.

Speaker 54 I want to live in this movie.

Speaker 65 Her glasses are everything.

Speaker 31 This opening scene got me confused because I'm like, he is a doctor, I believe But he's being chewed out like he's in a police Yes movie. And this is the scene here just to get a taste of it

Speaker 47 you won't be getting paid on Christmas

Speaker 20 By the way was this shot during a nuclear apocalypse

Speaker 24 the the orange hue burning through the city's on fire.

Speaker 19 Like is he under like uh like a like a fried chicken place

Speaker 46 with that would be amazing if you looked out the window and it's just Arby's

Speaker 29 I feel like Tony Scott saw this like hang on I can do this

Speaker 88 can you pause already here's the thing

Speaker 70 here's the thing this movie's pace is I don't even know how to describe it other than lugubrious.

Speaker 36 and Spader is setting the pace it's as if the movie happens in real time and that real time is slow baby I wrote down this movie took a valium like the like whatever the whatever it is like we're just like hey which is rush which is why when they're driving around LA in that vintage BMW I'm like fuck this feels great

Speaker 4 so here's the the police at this point again I am not quite sure who this is I know he's a doctor, but it's a man who thinks he's in a Christmas Carol.

Speaker 77 He he's he's been given makeup to make his eyes look black underneath and he's so committed with doing every acting like well

Speaker 111 I'm mad at you.

Speaker 47 Well, I guess he was telegraphing he's the bad guy and it did a good job. I didn't get it.

Speaker 112 We're here to just because the people out there call you a doctor doesn't make you one

Speaker 113 You're still in medical school and you're working here under my supervision and approval.

Speaker 5 One more stunt like you pulled a day.

Speaker 113 And I'll have your ass bounced out out of here so fast it'll make your head swim.

Speaker 8 Do you understand me?

Speaker 32 By the way, he's chewing him out.

Speaker 17 For there's a woman bleeding in the lobby.

Speaker 22 He goes and like puts a band-aid on her face.

Speaker 20 And he's late for work because he's promoting bringing health care to like unhoused people, right?

Speaker 73 It's even dumber than that.

Speaker 54 He's participating in something.

Speaker 20 He seems to be going on the news to spread the word that there are homeless people.

Speaker 72 Like, he's like,

Speaker 18 and you'll never believe it. Some of these people don't have houses.

Speaker 41 And the news person's like, what?

Speaker 31 And he's like, yeah.

Speaker 41 And they're all different communities.

Speaker 47 That's the other thing, too.

Speaker 41 They're all different communities.

Speaker 22 It looks like about a 17 by 5 foot area. And then when it airs on TV and he tells people there are homeless people in Los Angeles, he gets an applause break from the fellow doctors.

Speaker 27 Like, oh, finally.

Speaker 55 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 52 Well, like, Spader Prime is, I think part of what's hard about it is even this version of Spader,

Speaker 46 the doctor, the hero, the person.

Speaker 22 He's a Chicago Cubs fan who is an LA native.

Speaker 21 Inexplicable.

Speaker 74 Why does he wear a fucking Dodger's hat?

Speaker 43 It's so easy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 74 I'm assuming. He's not from Chicago.

Speaker 24 A Spader?

Speaker 18 I don't know, but he's, but it's clearly that he is like, they say, I grew up just a little bit.

Speaker 111 He says these words.

Speaker 24 What fucking Dodger's hat.

Speaker 60 And his twin brother is in all of LA's most deadly gangs.

Speaker 82 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 93 But this Spader, what's so crazy is like, even in these scenes, I don't trust this guy.

Speaker 35 And he's the good guy.

Speaker 24 He's the good one who gets killed.

Speaker 69 And I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 59 Spader makes me feel like this guy's a creep.

Speaker 77 He's making you feel something, right?

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah. Always.

Speaker 52 Always.

Speaker 115 And that was my question for you, a younger person.

Speaker 85 What is your relationship to James Spader?

Speaker 35 Because boy, is he a bedrock element of my teenage years?

Speaker 98 And just to the audience says, you are a tween, right?

Speaker 77 Yes.

Speaker 77 So I kind of grew up on like Paw Patrol and Peppa and stuff like that.

Speaker 82 Sure.

Speaker 29 I would love it if Spader was on Paw Patrol.

Speaker 77 But I remember my dad showing me Spader on the office.

Speaker 24 Oh. Oh.

Speaker 77 I'm kidding. I saw Spader on the office as Robert.

Speaker 56 It sounded real enough.

Speaker 117 It sounded real.

Speaker 56 Like, oh, okay.

Speaker 77 I really, you guys felt fearful. I could feel it.

Speaker 77 Remember when he was Robert, California?

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah, right, right.

Speaker 77 So that's where I know him from. So I was like, oh, now he's Rippert, California.

Speaker 31 He's got, he, to me, is like 80s youth actor.

Speaker 92 Like, I mean, there's.

Speaker 77 How old is he here?

Speaker 29 I mean, he's got to be 26.

Speaker 16 How old is he? I would even say younger than you.

Speaker 77 Yo, it's crazy how soft his lips look.

Speaker 11 Oh, he is.

Speaker 61 He is the ultimate bad boy, pretty boy of the age.

Speaker 111 He's so quiet.

Speaker 104 Yes.

Speaker 53 That's what I'm saying. We don't do this anymore.

Speaker 118 But that's what I kind of felt like.

Speaker 77 I know you were saying it felt that the movie felt

Speaker 77 lugubrious.

Speaker 52 This, this, I mean, again, this movie participates in one of my favorite 80s tropes, which is psychiatrists.

Speaker 81 You can't trust them.

Speaker 46 Mental health professionals.

Speaker 21 Probably quacks.

Speaker 59 And then, and then he's got, he lives with his mother and he's like, I'll shoot you, motherfucker.

Speaker 6 I'm like, what are we doing?

Speaker 73 I mean, there are some funny moments in this movie.

Speaker 63 In the very beginning, the cops are talking about this killer, the Jack the Ripper killer.

Speaker 37 And he goes,

Speaker 63 we must stop him.

Speaker 47 Yeah, no shit. Like,

Speaker 43 what is the other option?

Speaker 18 It's like, it was like, but it was said like, huh, five people dead.

Speaker 14 They are.

Speaker 119 We got to stop this guy.

Speaker 101 The police? Yeah.

Speaker 33 The police are the least relevant characters in a movie that is ostensibly about a serial killer and the police that are after him.

Speaker 72 It is so odd because they also are so cocky, the police.

Speaker 98 Like when they catch Spader Prime and they think he's the murderer, like, we did what Scott Lanyard could never do.

Speaker 40 It's like, mother, this, this is a very different time.

Speaker 32 Jack the Ripper happened a hundred years ago and they have no technology.

Speaker 2 You're in modern-day Los Angeles and you just caught a guy and you did no investigation.

Speaker 98 It's a whole Karen Reed operation all over again.

Speaker 73 Um, yeah, so these cops are cocky, even when the two basketball-playing

Speaker 15 like other doctors come in, like he was with us the entire time playing basketball.

Speaker 44 He's like, Really, all the time.

Speaker 72 It's like, Well, yeah, we were in San Diego, we saw him a lot.

Speaker 108 Okay, thanks, fellas.

Speaker 77 No receipts, nothing. They needed no evidence.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no evidence.

Speaker 77 Two guys, we got it.

Speaker 58 Thanks for coming in, boys.

Speaker 77 Lots of boy power in this movie. The only girl we got was Hermione Granger.

Speaker 73 When she put on those glasses, you knew she was serious.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 111 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 94 And when she used the time turner, I was like, she's going to help this kid not be abused.

Speaker 51 Yeah.

Speaker 77 And then when she was out and about with both the Spader twins, she was like, I'm going to bed before either of you can think of something to get us killed. Or worse, expelled.

Speaker 84 When she called Spader horrid, absolutely horrid.

Speaker 77 And then when she said, you've got something on your nose, just that.

Speaker 105 I love when she.

Speaker 77 You say one, Paul.

Speaker 38 All right.

Speaker 118 Birdie's bots.

Speaker 24 Sorry, Bertie's.

Speaker 111 Bertie's bots.

Speaker 24 Okay, oh boy.

Speaker 94 Spader is giving me.

Speaker 29 Spader is giving me grown-up Draco Malfoy vibes.

Speaker 87 I read these books.

Speaker 1 I was like into them that much.

Speaker 34 I like to watch all the movies.

Speaker 90 I was a fine fan. I get the jokes.

Speaker 73 I'm not going to be quoting anybody.

Speaker 11 We get it.

Speaker 29 You don't love the books.

Speaker 60 You love her politics.

Speaker 97 Don't like it.

Speaker 73 Come talk to me in my Tesla.

Speaker 38 Now, let me tell you.

Speaker 90 I'll tell you.

Speaker 22 No, for me, I always like...

Speaker 4 I like the Harry Potter with Johnny Depp.

Speaker 28 That's where the series took off.

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Speaker 63 I am also like kind of blown away by the way

Speaker 16 there's a moment where they say, like, what do we know about this guy?

Speaker 98 He kills women, he fucks them, but he wears a condom.

Speaker 17 And every guy, and every cop is like, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Speaker 77 Huge laugh. Biggest laugh of the movie.
That was a crazy thing. Oh, we know our boy wears protection.

Speaker 24 Everybody.

Speaker 68 What an idiot. Yeah, they're like, hey, hey, if you're going to kill the girl anyways, it doesn't matter if you get her pregnant.

Speaker 97 I know.

Speaker 68 If it was me, I'd be enjoying the ride.

Speaker 43 Now, here's what I want to reveal to you.

Speaker 108 That a couple things here.

Speaker 25 That Jack the Ripper never rapes.

Speaker 33 Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 38 Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 99 Here's the the thing. The movie's set in London, Paul.

Speaker 68 Tyrie Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 96 Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 25 Jack the Ripper never raped his victims.

Speaker 100 Oh, okay. Wait, what? What?

Speaker 77 What? Okay. Are you like a Jack the Ripper truther?

Speaker 31 No, I'm finding I have a lot of movie mistakes.

Speaker 104 I also know who actually did it.

Speaker 100 I actually know who did it. He was actually a really good boyfriend.

Speaker 59 You always say he was misunderstood.

Speaker 71 He was.

Speaker 116 He was.

Speaker 31 But no, but like they make such a big deal out of it and it's like it's he's doing it exactly the same way.

Speaker 64 But a cursory Google, I know they don't have Google back then, but a book opening would show that that was not the case.

Speaker 84 Or at least have Alta Vista or web crawler.

Speaker 17 Ask Jeeves, did Jet the Ripper rape some ladies?

Speaker 93 No, sir.

Speaker 117 You don't have to ask in a British accent.

Speaker 67 Really?

Speaker 41 That's I never used to do that.

Speaker 104 I don't think that's how I ask Jeeves.

Speaker 43 I thought he respected you more if you asked.

Speaker 77 How do you think you'd know that, Paul? It was so long ago. Do you think they even checked for that kind of stuff?

Speaker 43 Well, you'd think if the whole movie's based on Jack the Ripper, they would be like, it's identical.

Speaker 35 It's identical.

Speaker 42 He does everything identical.

Speaker 80 It's like, well, that's an addition that you don't even need to make.

Speaker 52 It plays no part in the story.

Speaker 11 I have to tell you something. Yeah.

Speaker 77 I don't think you should say that anymore. And I don't think you should go to parties and be like, fun fact, Jack the Ripper never raped anyone.

Speaker 77 Okay. Because I want to say, I want to say, let me tell you.

Speaker 95 Stop putting that into games of celebrity.

Speaker 77 Yeah, like it's just like it's uh uh he didn't rape anybody.

Speaker 36 He was

Speaker 74 a smart guy. Yeah, he was a good boyfriend.

Speaker 67 Yeah, Degrees. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 77 Because like, okay, I did a show at Dynasty last week, and I was like asking the, listen, my, you know, we took a stand-up class together. We're still talking about

Speaker 29 promo shows you've already done.

Speaker 77 Hey, check it out last week.

Speaker 56 I was phenomenal.

Speaker 97 Is it still live streaming? It probably is.

Speaker 77 Like, to give you a taste of how bad I still am at stand-up, I was asking at one point, I was soliciting fun facts from the audience because I just genuinely wanted to learn a new fact.

Speaker 77 And someone in the audience was like, I have a fun fact. Actually, Robin Williams wasn't like that depressed before he killed himself.

Speaker 99 Oh.

Speaker 77 And I'm just saying that's the same flavor of what you're doing over there.

Speaker 77 It's a warning because we're friends.

Speaker 43 No, I appreciate it.

Speaker 25 I appreciate it.

Speaker 31 I just want to get the truth out there about Jack.

Speaker 63 I will say that I've never been more creeped out by a box of condoms in a movie.

Speaker 91 When the killer just like places a box of condoms out like he doesn't even he doesn't even break the box.

Speaker 72 It's just like, well, I'll get into this later on.

Speaker 24 It'll creep me out.

Speaker 77 Oh, I didn't notice that. I thought it was camera film what he was putting out.

Speaker 115 It was a box.

Speaker 77 But I think you can use both for both.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 115 Especially because all of his, he's using a Polaroid. So you can use the wrapper of the Polaroid film, that heavy Mylar wrapper or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And the pictures you get are beautiful.

Speaker 29 You will get lead poisoning in your dick, though.

Speaker 63 But it comes out very Pollock-esque.

Speaker 71 But don't shake it.

Speaker 75 When you were talking about Hermione,

Speaker 89 the way they introduced that character, you know, she's like the girl that everyone's flirting with in the office and the creepy guy that we think is Jack the Ripper for most of the movie, the big, tall guy who is the killer of Prime Spader.

Speaker 48 He's like, you get that book that I gave you?

Speaker 54 And she's like, oh, thank you so much for that book.

Speaker 89 It was great.

Speaker 90 He's like, if you like it, I'll get you another.

Speaker 82 Yeah.

Speaker 56 It was

Speaker 73 so non-specific.

Speaker 18 It was like, it wasn't like, like, just books.

Speaker 36 Like, what could the book?

Speaker 46 I will buy you another book.

Speaker 35 If you like books, I will buy you a book.

Speaker 70 The reveal of this guy is that he's just low-key, an amateur abortionist.

Speaker 54 That's his deal?

Speaker 100 Like, is he like a janitor at the hospital?

Speaker 68 Like, what's his thing?

Speaker 29 Other than, hey, knock, knock, do you want an abortion?

Speaker 22 I believe that he is the anakin to the chiefs, uh, Emperor Palpatine. Like, because at one point, remember when he's like cleaning out his locker, he's like, Hello, what are you doing here?

Speaker 48 Good job, good job.

Speaker 72 I'm like, What is he doing there? Why is he hiding in a locker room?

Speaker 23 What's the matter?

Speaker 126 I loved their dynamic, and I was like, Oh, I wish I'd gotten more of this.

Speaker 70 Yeah, you know, because boy, was that creep city?

Speaker 71 Um, but I think they were like, You've seen him kill Spader Prime, so you think he's the bad guy.

Speaker 77 But also, so weird to be like, if he, okay, first of all, his name is Jack, so I think they're trying to be like, That could be the Ripper.

Speaker 111 Oh, right, yeah.

Speaker 77 But then also, like, I don't know. I imagine Jack the Ripper is like, do you know that Jack the Ripper never raped anybody?

Speaker 77 I was going to say, I imagine Jack the Ripper being, I don't know, you know, an unassuming bald man of a regular height.

Speaker 43 Just like, you know, into stuff.

Speaker 22 Wife was out of town, no big deal.

Speaker 117 Drives the Tesla.

Speaker 77 Exactly. It says

Speaker 77 stuff like, if you want to talk about it, just come sit in my Tesla with me.

Speaker 77 But no, I just thought it was like weird casting choice that they cast this like seven-foot-tall half-man, half-foos ball table.

Speaker 36 He is so big. He's too big.

Speaker 77 I just felt like immediately, I was like, it can't be him. He's like Jock Jams 3000.

Speaker 24 Oh, I agree.

Speaker 77 Because his head's a football and he's speaking.

Speaker 100 No, he's too big.

Speaker 70 He's too bad.

Speaker 126 His presence on screen is like forced perspective.

Speaker 29 Yes.

Speaker 94 It forces him to seem as though he's Gandalf and everybody else is a hobbit.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 91 And he is.

Speaker 62 Now, I do want to break this down what did he do because he went to that woman's apartment to give her a free

Speaker 15 well not free not free abortion oh right yes right he was going to get some snacks out of it um but no he also is doing it in her apartment which seemed weird and unsanitary but he's going to give her an abortion but then she's murdered

Speaker 100 no yes yes yes and then

Speaker 38 That one alone no, you are really on an island there. No, no, no, she's alive.

Speaker 3 She's alive in the movie.

Speaker 51 She lives. She survives.

Speaker 86 Fake news.

Speaker 29 Everybody lives in the movie.

Speaker 46 There was no Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 68 I know what a dead girl looks like, and that ain't it.

Speaker 21 She's actually,

Speaker 29 she's an immortal character.

Speaker 71 She can't be killed.

Speaker 74 So, in my...

Speaker 46 He does not kill her.

Speaker 4 Right, but what happened?

Speaker 75 Like, I guess what I'm trying to do is, what happened?

Speaker 42 Did he go there, give an abortion, left?

Speaker 78 And no.

Speaker 43 Let me at least finish, and you can tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 76 It's Tim.

Speaker 23 It's Tim. Oh, it's Tim.

Speaker 14 Okay, Tim.

Speaker 119 You're allowed to talk.

Speaker 91 Did he give her an abortion? And then

Speaker 83 he's like, you're all done. And then he let the door open for.

Speaker 59 And he says he stepped out for something.

Speaker 35 And when he came back, she was Deadsville.

Speaker 90 Tim?

Speaker 109 He shows up and says, I can give you the abortion for $200. She says, are we going to do it here? He's like, yeah, of course.

Speaker 109 So he gives her the abortion. And then he leaves to go to the drugstore to get what he calls a prescription.
I don't know who prescribed it, but when he comes back, she's dead.

Speaker 43 yeah okay that's what i was basically saying up here and you're like no no

Speaker 49 that was what i was saying he did the abortion left and then someone killed her and he was like yeah so so you know the i guess is the idea that sydney is following him around

Speaker 77 it's here's sydney's whole deal it's like he's like let me kill every woman i've ever met through the clinic where i work yeah like that's like me killing every man i've ever done improv with and also how long do you think the police would take to be like it's the zip zap zop murderer?

Speaker 60 The police, the police in this movie are embarrassingly bass.

Speaker 87 Yes.

Speaker 61 They are given the slip by everybody.

Speaker 81 They're terrible.

Speaker 77 Yeah, they're like adults in a kids' movie where they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 95 Spader is kind of giving me Macaulay Culk and Home Alone vibes.

Speaker 100 And Sidney is kind of like

Speaker 77 bigger pecs.

Speaker 65 Yes.

Speaker 81 And man, when Spader's brother dies,

Speaker 81 when Spader Prime dies, and bad boy Spader wakes up like in tidy whiteies in bed,

Speaker 61 that's where I got confused and I was like, oh, it was all a dream.

Speaker 85 And then I was like, hang on.

Speaker 87 I don't think it was all a dream.

Speaker 4 I rewound it.

Speaker 42 You

Speaker 115 really was like, boy, did we drill down on him in that bed in those briefs?

Speaker 85 I was like, give me, now we're in, now we're just doing like vintage Spader.

Speaker 24 And then put him in a convertible, let him drive around to LA.

Speaker 11 I was like, I'll watch this to the tune of like some song by a guy named Paul Sachs. Okay.

Speaker 38 I have some info about this.

Speaker 53 If you don't play the song, this the songs from this movie, this is better than drive.

Speaker 54 This movie is better than drive.

Speaker 20 All right, so I want to do something.

Speaker 4 This might upset you, Jason, but

Speaker 16 what happened here in this movie was

Speaker 62 the director, Rowdy, wanted to get a song by Peter Gabriel.

Speaker 89 Okay.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 31 And Peter Gabriel said, no.

Speaker 89 So he found another artist and he's like, can you duplicate the Peter Gabriel song as close as you can without getting sued? So now we'll put them both together and you will see a little mashup.

Speaker 23 Love it.

Speaker 22 That was the

Speaker 115 Peter Gabriel song is Red Rain and Stuart Copeland from the police plays only hi-hats on that song, and it's incredible.

Speaker 91 I

Speaker 83 love the music, I love the way that this movie is, but I want to go back to the Emperor Palpatine Anakin Skywalker relationship just for a second.

Speaker 77 Oh, sorry, I'm not so familiar. So, is this one Natalie Portman is Two Girls?

Speaker 2 Now, she also died in childbirth, so maybe

Speaker 53 think you think Jack the Ripper got Amidawa

Speaker 2 100 years ago in a galaxy far, far away

Speaker 108 on the on the pre-anniversary.

Speaker 72 Um, this is the only clue that we have that these two are working together.

Speaker 103 Oh, creepy.

Speaker 8 What are you doing here?

Speaker 8 Sydney,

Speaker 47 you scared me.

Speaker 8 I forgot some of my stuff, and I needed it. Well, you're not supposed to be in here after hours, especially after what's already happened.

Speaker 8 I understand.

Speaker 13 I was just leaving.

Speaker 6 Jack?

Speaker 107 Sir?

Speaker 13 I've been meaning to tell you.

Speaker 8 You do good work.

Speaker 96 Unlimited power.

Speaker 107 Thank you, sir.

Speaker 107 Go have some fun

Speaker 96 Yes, sir

Speaker 73 Both of these people are murderers We see that I thought that was a coded I thought that was a coded scene like we've been working together and you've been no no, I don't think I don't think it is Tim

Speaker 46 I don't I don't think it is, but I think the movie I think it's absolutely insane that they are both murderers and are just don't and don't know it and are just like hanging out in the same place.

Speaker 20 Wait, Jack's a murderer too?

Speaker 110 Well, he hanged Spader.

Speaker 68 He killed Spader Prime.

Speaker 31 Well, because he thought that Spader Prime was going to say that he was the murderer.

Speaker 28 That's self-defense.

Speaker 96 What?

Speaker 11 That was self-defense.

Speaker 33 I mean, this is a take that only works from the front seat of a Tesla.

Speaker 38 He was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 43 He was like, I didn't kill her.

Speaker 41 I didn't kill her.

Speaker 72 And then Spade's like, oh, this guy's going to fuck up everything.

Speaker 18 I'm studying to be a doctor.

Speaker 75 This guy's going to, I'm going to be fucked.

Speaker 2 He's like, I got to kill this guy.

Speaker 71 I got to track him down and kill him multiple ways.

Speaker 100 This is the wildest of takes.

Speaker 18 I just think that it was a one-time thing. That's enough!

Speaker 6 It's enough that he killed one spader.

Speaker 68 Never mind that he goes after the other one because they won't leave him alone.

Speaker 17 He's like, I didn't do anything.

Speaker 74 I'm a good doctor.

Speaker 52 The guy likes my work. I'm just trying to succeed.

Speaker 106 I bought a girl a book.

Speaker 17 I didn't rape anybody.

Speaker 40 I'm giving out $200 abortions in the house.

Speaker 77 Yeah, but Paul, why does that guy have a pre-made noose ready at the office?

Speaker 54 That's, yeah.

Speaker 98 I always suggest everyone carry that, especially if you live in LA.

Speaker 77 Okay, he killed him in the church doctor's office, right? Okay, so they were fighting, they were grappling over the phone. He called the police.
He said, hello, I think I know who it

Speaker 57 was.

Speaker 104 Hang up.

Speaker 77 And then he drags him to the other side of the church where a noose is coiled up in weight.

Speaker 25 Well, that was after Easter services.

Speaker 24 Wait, do you think they hung Christ?

Speaker 86 I grew up

Speaker 11 in the church, man.

Speaker 50 Where did you go to?

Speaker 28 Greek Orthodox.

Speaker 57 Wait a minute.

Speaker 41 A lot of people say they put him on the cross. Well, how did they get him up there?

Speaker 86 They got him.

Speaker 66 Get him up there.

Speaker 51 And then they throw plates at his feet.

Speaker 77 That actually makes perfect sense. The cross should just be for Christ.
It's his symbol. It's like he was killed, and then the church is asked to follow and to die for Christ.

Speaker 77 That's something we got to do ourselves. That's noose.

Speaker 100 That's not 100%.

Speaker 77 We should start wearing little noose around our necks.

Speaker 31 You go out with that theory.

Speaker 2 I go out with my Jack the Ripper series.

Speaker 98 We're going to make a lot of friends.

Speaker 25 now spader 2 moves to LA but seemingly is packed like Indiana Jones packs the Raiders of the Lost Ark like why is he packing a wooden shipping a wooden shipping crate he works at foot locker

Speaker 52 what was that about what he wants at foot locker he's working at foot locker or the equivalent thereof motherfucker has like genuine old school wooden crates in his apartment with a gun inside

Speaker 77 it's like the kind of a crate that you order like an exotic monkey in. Yes.

Speaker 117 Yes.

Speaker 29 Or I guess a non-exotic monkey could come in it as well.

Speaker 77 No, I meant like a little sexy one that strips.

Speaker 44 Oh, okay.

Speaker 25 But like, what is he wearing before he strips?

Speaker 123 Like an astronaut costume?

Speaker 77 Depends what the theme is.

Speaker 108 All right, I like that.

Speaker 50 I mean,

Speaker 95 they have the hypnosis scene.

Speaker 37 Ah, yes, of course I do.

Speaker 64 So,

Speaker 46 also, how come, do we anymore describe things as stiff as a board?

Speaker 115 Like, is a board a measure of stiffness anymore?

Speaker 68 Do we still talk in boarding?

Speaker 118 What are you literally talking about? Yes, see?

Speaker 77 No. See? A board, there's nothing stiffer.
We still have those.

Speaker 33 We do?

Speaker 77 Yes.

Speaker 59 I don't hear people talking about the stiffness of things as it relates to.

Speaker 86 Have you ever heard people go, stiff as a board, light as a feather?

Speaker 18 I don't think that this changed.

Speaker 126 You don't think so? You think kids now are still saying stiff as a board?

Speaker 73 I don't think it's coming up that much.

Speaker 100 Hey, lady, don't, don't, don't, don't get testy with me.

Speaker 31 I hear a lot of kids say stiff is an android.

Speaker 31 Yes,

Speaker 31 but this is 19, this is 1988.

Speaker 19 Here's the hypnotist scene with Robert Picardo.

Speaker 119 Yeah, we love Robert Picardo.

Speaker 8 All right, Richard, your left arm is as stiff as a board. Oh,

Speaker 129 yeah. Jason's fuming.

Speaker 107 That happened quick.

Speaker 109 I mean, absurd.

Speaker 77 Say one thing you think that's going to be a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 8 A board.

Speaker 8 Now I'm going to lead you back

Speaker 8 to the clinic.

Speaker 8 It's dark.

Speaker 68 It's effective.

Speaker 113 What is it, Richard?

Speaker 8 Richard?

Speaker 8 Richard.

Speaker 8 Richard.

Speaker 107 It's all right, Richard. It's alright.

Speaker 96 So hot.

Speaker 49 I mean, that's electric

Speaker 57 to watch.

Speaker 24 Right? What was, I mean, but what?

Speaker 49 He is so compelling.

Speaker 53 The only other, like, and I mean this when I say, like, I do think he is one of the great actors of this generation and one of the only people who, as well as having some of the most unreal good looks, is willing to do Nick Cage level nonsense

Speaker 96 at all times.

Speaker 74 Well, I was also thinking, I was like, what a fucking, what an incredible guy.

Speaker 52 In a different world, too.

Speaker 3 He could have had a Christopher Walking career, too, because he's doing, like, there's an intensity there that's kind of just amazing.

Speaker 62 But I also don't understand this from a plot point of view. He is tied to his twin.

Speaker 42 I get that. I get that idea.

Speaker 62 But when he's hypnotized, he then transfers into the twin's body.

Speaker 77 Okay, I have to help you guys because you're confused. So everybody seems to be having a problem with the twin of it all.
So I was raised on like Olson and Olson detective agency.

Speaker 28 God, I love it.

Speaker 77 And like Lindsay Lohan playing two girls and the Olsen girls going to camp and all that stuff. So usually what happens is one girl's going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 87 Wait, are these movies still available?

Speaker 77 not for you pervert oh yeah

Speaker 77 one girl's British and she's rich and the other girl wears a backwards hat like stuff like that it's simply easy to understand so there and of course all twins are connected and yes if you hypnotize them they will see the murder of the other twin as evidenced by both Olsons and it takes two

Speaker 22 That was a shocking scene and that's why it got an NC17 on the original cut.

Speaker 98 Here's something

Speaker 90 you might want to know too.

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Speaker 77 Someone's never been fingered by a twin.

Speaker 118 Because let me tell you, you can feel it.

Speaker 19 I thought I was.

Speaker 17 I thought I was.

Speaker 91 And then I fingerprinted them afterwards.

Speaker 23 Somewhere someone is like, hang on.

Speaker 64 I would love that twin prank.

Speaker 38 Just one person pretending to be twins instead of two people pretending to be one.

Speaker 3 Oh, it must have been my twin.

Speaker 77 Oh, that's such a good idea. I was like, is it too late for me to start that?

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Speaker 91 So the whole movie is a cat and mouse between Jack the Rip.

Speaker 89 Well,

Speaker 62 not Jack, right?

Speaker 25 It's Jack, the guy that we think is Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 110 No.

Speaker 39 Tim!

Speaker 31 But like, I mean, like, that's what we're, but we're chasing this thing the entire time, and we get to see these great James Spader fight scenes where he punches like a Hail Hitler.

Speaker 34 Like he

Speaker 31 punches off.

Speaker 33 I've never seen a he flips the 260 pound man over his back and then ends it by double nut kicking him.

Speaker 61 He just in order to hobble the guy he just kicks him hard in the nuts twice.

Speaker 94 Spader is never on screen for any action.

Speaker 126 No, no strikes, no nothing.

Speaker 88 They have scenes where his legs just come into frame.

Speaker 86 Legs and hits strikes come into frame that spader is not doing

Speaker 14 spader is i mean what i what i really love this movie is when he is just acting in in like in the environment like when he goes into his brother's house and he looks at the bookshelf and he's looking at the books and they're just medical books and you think oh is this important no they're just medical books like There's nothing telling about that.

Speaker 64 Yeah, he's a medical student and those are the books.

Speaker 18 Like there is, you know, but it's like...

Speaker 49 But it's so compelling.

Speaker 61 And And then, even in those boring, nothing scenes, I'm still like, I'll watch this fucker do whatever he wants.

Speaker 62 When he, like, picks up a picture that I think is of himself and then looks at himself in the mirror, it's like, I've aged.

Speaker 29 It's like, yes, that's a you're a child.

Speaker 77 Should we talk about this? Because what the fuck. Was that picture a picture of him marrying the sex worker who got killed?

Speaker 103 He took her to prom? Oh.

Speaker 24 What? Wait, what?

Speaker 22 I did not get that.

Speaker 24 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 51 I was like, wait, there's an even, there's even more connections.

Speaker 45 So, wait.

Speaker 23 Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 11 Oh, whoa, wait.

Speaker 103 Spader knew Denise?

Speaker 77 Wait.

Speaker 77 What?

Speaker 67 I did not put that together.

Speaker 52 He doesn't even know she's dead.

Speaker 38 He does? Wait.

Speaker 101 Which spader is that?

Speaker 57 Prime.

Speaker 57 Oh, oh, okay.

Speaker 54 All right, assholes.

Speaker 24 Okay, forgive me.

Speaker 111 I thought it was the other.

Speaker 100 I thought it was the second spot.

Speaker 92 So this is why.

Speaker 118 Okay, okay, okay, I'm figuring it out.

Speaker 77 I'm figuring it out.

Speaker 92 This is automatic.

Speaker 41 In the clinic, in the clinic.

Speaker 24 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 77 Okay, wait. I'm drawing.
I have it. I had it for a second.
I understood the movie for one moment.

Speaker 77 He's Prime Sprater. He's a doctor.
He's in the office.

Speaker 77 He goes, I'd like to take a close look at that pregnant prostitute.

Speaker 77 Like he's interested. And we go, oh, that's speaking.

Speaker 77 And we're like, oh, it's because he's going to kill her tonight on the night where he's supposed to kill a pregnant sex worker.

Speaker 77 But instead, the twist is he's like, I took her to prom. I'd love to say hello again.

Speaker 77 So I'm going to go find her personal medical file and pay her a visit at her home tonight.

Speaker 56 Yes.

Speaker 97 I think that's.

Speaker 97 I think that's now what's going on.

Speaker 67 Wait, wait, wait, no, wait.

Speaker 77 This is the night he's picked to go visit Daryl Hannah in her home

Speaker 77 to say, remember me, we went to prom together. But he runs into a coworker who was just there giving an abortion and another coworker who was just on the way out from killing her.

Speaker 17 Oh, wait, but he's not a killer, though.

Speaker 68 He's not a killer at all.

Speaker 77 No, he just wanted to say hi.

Speaker 111 We're going to reconnect.

Speaker 57 Oh,

Speaker 71 weird, weird way to reconnect.

Speaker 97 Because

Speaker 97 what's so weird about it is this, because she's a foot in front of his desk.

Speaker 77 Yeah, why doesn't she say, like,

Speaker 77 oh, they're like, they're remembering prom right here.

Speaker 107 You tell that to my pimp.

Speaker 113 Oh, boy. Care about your unborn child.

Speaker 82 He's like, prom. I know her from prom.

Speaker 114 In my office.

Speaker 38 Wait,

Speaker 77 he's like, wait, didn't we go to prom together?

Speaker 38 He's like,

Speaker 35 he's like, thank you, by the way, for letting me wear a blazer as my doctor's jacket.

Speaker 77 Oh, this is so insane.

Speaker 69 It is so crazy. The movie that is

Speaker 100 set in Los Angeles, the city where we now are, posits a world in which every, everybody lives in a three-block radius of each other.

Speaker 21 By the way, once again, second spader moves across the park from this location.

Speaker 63 Hermione lives half a block away from my old house, and I wanted to drive by today.

Speaker 60 At the Shakespeare Bridge.

Speaker 37 Yes, it was so exciting. I wanted to go over.

Speaker 111 Loved it.

Speaker 29 Loved seeing.

Speaker 81 I loved the driving around Los Angeles of this movie.

Speaker 64 I mean, it's basically an Echo Park movie, right?

Speaker 83 I mean, that's...

Speaker 88 There was a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 95 There was also Hollywood and Holly, that section that's the movie theater's Hollywood and Vine, there, kind of.

Speaker 11 No, yeah,

Speaker 77 where the Cubs used to play.

Speaker 95 Where the Cubs used to play

Speaker 97 before they moved to Chicago.

Speaker 86 Now,

Speaker 52 does he know

Speaker 15 that in that like Triple X theater,

Speaker 62 this guy just sells guns?

Speaker 73 How does he know that?

Speaker 54 Yeah,

Speaker 77 he used to be in the game.

Speaker 61 Because he used to be a bad boy, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 22 So it's like, since he's left and come back, he's like, yeah, well, you can always buy a gun off of that guy.

Speaker 101 Why? Why? Here's my question.

Speaker 46 Wouldn't it make more sense if there was was good Spader and Bad Spader?

Speaker 59 Why isn't Bad Spader just a bad guy?

Speaker 71 Why does he work at Foot Locker?

Speaker 54 And it's not because he's like later in the thing, he's like, hmm, look at these treads.

Speaker 77 That's what I thought was going to happen.

Speaker 94 I think our killer is wearing Socones.

Speaker 59 Where did my brother see Soccines while he was getting strangled?

Speaker 77 I think they were setting this up to be a Nickelodeon movie and then something went badly wrong because they were going to be like, it's funny. there's a doctor brother and a shoe brother.

Speaker 77 And wouldn't it be funny if they got hypnotized and had to swap lives?

Speaker 71 The street life of

Speaker 59 Spader and Spader.

Speaker 77 And then the one, the shoe brothers, like, I'm doing surgery.

Speaker 50 I don't want to do this.

Speaker 77 And then the doctor brothers in the shoe store, and he's like, well, I can sell you shoes.

Speaker 43 It's sexual. But you know what? I think you're right because even the opening title sequence, like the Jack's back is written in a fun font.

Speaker 20 It's not written in like Jack's back.

Speaker 73 It's like, Jack's back, banana.

Speaker 33 You also understand, like, what is Jack's back?

Speaker 101 There's, like, there's Jack

Speaker 101 Jack. They talk about Jack the Ripper, obviously, Jack the Ripper, but also second Spader is back in town.

Speaker 29 There's too many competing elements that are the same bit or game.

Speaker 77 You know what else it could be? Remember the movie Jack?

Speaker 99 Yeah, it was Robin Williams.

Speaker 77 So that's a little boy who's in a big man's body.

Speaker 91 Can I tell you something about Robin Williams?

Speaker 14 Just something fun.

Speaker 77 Don't give him an applause break for that.

Speaker 97 Do you have the scene where Spader's in his brother's apartment?

Speaker 91 I do.

Speaker 42 I want to show you one thing before this break.

Speaker 4 Did you guys notice this?

Speaker 98 The My Buddy doll.

Speaker 116 Oh, wow.

Speaker 80 There's a My Buddy doll in the cop office.

Speaker 63 And I was like, what is that?

Speaker 126 Do you want to tell,

Speaker 61 is it a My Buddy?

Speaker 100 Yes, it is. The striped shirt.

Speaker 61 Do you want to tell Lisa what a My Buddy is in your relationship to it?

Speaker 77 This is something you fucked when you were a kid.

Speaker 89 Oddly, more disturbing.

Speaker 100 It fucked you.

Speaker 39 Yep.

Speaker 29 My buddy, my buddy.

Speaker 15 I asked.

Speaker 111 My buddy and me.

Speaker 111 Because wherever I go, he goes to my buddy.

Speaker 77 Is that why 50 Cent made a song like that? It's a joke? Because you know the 50 Cent song that's like, my buddy, my buddy, wherever I go, he goes. It's It's about a gun.

Speaker 108 Oh wow. Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 77 Yeah, so isn't it so crazy the difference between like a cool girl and like guys who are not cool

Speaker 22 I begged my parents for my buddy because I had no friends on my block or anybody to hang out with and I just wanted to have a buddy.

Speaker 52 Now don't you feel stupid?

Speaker 77 I feel bad. And Paul, I want to tell you something.
I had a Susie stretch. Did you guys have this, or was it just like a bad Canada toy?

Speaker 116 Whoa, I want to know.

Speaker 29 She was a little bit. She was like a stretch Armstrong type of the, like, you could pull the.

Speaker 77 She was a doll, but she had, like,

Speaker 77 accordion arms. So, like, when she was in a resting place, she was like this.

Speaker 73 A resting place? Yeah.

Speaker 41 Did she come with a coffin?

Speaker 50 Yeah, like.

Speaker 38 Bring me to my resting place.

Speaker 77 Kate, you can.

Speaker 88 Heavy doll comes with a wooden coffin and shovel.

Speaker 24 Stiff as a board in a resting place

Speaker 29 a chisel and a block of granite make her headstone

Speaker 77 That would have been more fun than what she's oh my god She her shoes were like secretly slippers and so she's this big She's like a baby basically right and so I could wear her shoes like feet like shoes I could slip my feet into her feet and I could put my hands into her hands and then I'd stretch her up big like this and she'd be the same size as me but we would be face to face fucking walking around the house together.

Speaker 111 This is terrifying.

Speaker 111 Okay.

Speaker 54 This is honest to God.

Speaker 118 What are you talking about?

Speaker 49 I still

Speaker 77 see stretch.

Speaker 59 Is that how it's supposed to be played with?

Speaker 69 Or that's just what you were doing?

Speaker 77 I don't, I didn't know how else to play with her, and I can still remember her like hard plastic head against my head.

Speaker 60 Whoa, I don't like it.

Speaker 104 I don't want to. I don't.

Speaker 29 Oh, it's on it. Okay, it's on it.

Speaker 77 There she is.

Speaker 37 How about YouTube for a commercial?

Speaker 38 Yeah, commercial.

Speaker 24 Right there, right there.

Speaker 29 It's 1995.

Speaker 59 Yes, yes.

Speaker 60 All of our dreams have come true.

Speaker 65 Full screen.

Speaker 131 Really stretches. And when nighttime falls and your dance is complete, good night, Susie stretches.

Speaker 56 Susie stretches. What? New protewin.

Speaker 96 What? Holy

Speaker 103 shit.

Speaker 76 Holy shit.

Speaker 46 I mean, what's just, and I don't know if you remember this, but what's just abundantly clear is it just looks like she's going down on every little girl.

Speaker 54 It just looks like you fastened her head to your cross.

Speaker 118 This girl was too tall.

Speaker 111 So you could do parts.

Speaker 77 She's like, hey, she sizes her up.

Speaker 41 And you have to be a little bit more.

Speaker 75 That is more scary than anything that we saw in this movie.

Speaker 35 I would believe Susie Stretch is Jack the Ripper more than

Speaker 59 another girl has has been stretched in Los Angeles.

Speaker 116 Wow.

Speaker 41 Wow.

Speaker 87 Lieutenant, we found her.

Speaker 65 She was stretched.

Speaker 26 Stretched to death.

Speaker 37 Let's go out to the crowd and talk to y'all.

Speaker 64 What do you got?

Speaker 28 All right.

Speaker 75 Michael here recommended this movie.

Speaker 98 He's in the audience tonight. If you have a question, Michael, I'll come to you, obviously, as well.

Speaker 89 But all right.

Speaker 22 Tim, I'm going back to you.

Speaker 15 All right, what do you got?

Speaker 109 So with the killer, it's Jack's back. He's copycatting Jack the Ripper.
They're all about, it's got to be tonight. It's got to be in her house.
It's got to be a pregnant woman.

Speaker 128 That's the final murder.

Speaker 109 He goes to the house. He murders her like his opus is complete.

Speaker 128 The headline came true. He's got all the glory he needs.

Speaker 25 Why does he go kill Hermione?

Speaker 29 Yeah, like, why does he want to kill the female doctor that Spader is running around with in her BMW?

Speaker 85 Like, why?

Speaker 59 Why?

Speaker 95 Because he's just, I think, creeping on her.

Speaker 29 Like, that's who's watching her through the window.

Speaker 57 Oh, is she onto him or something?

Speaker 23 Oh, I don't. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 84 I don't think so.

Speaker 85 Also, when he killed the woman that had just gotten the abortion, she technically wasn't pregnant anymore.

Speaker 127 I just wanna, can I just...

Speaker 47 Now hang on.

Speaker 76 Now hang on.

Speaker 25 Well,

Speaker 25 actually,

Speaker 98 what makes sense is Mary Kelly, the Ripper's final victim, was not pregnant at the time of the murder. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 It's a popular claim. Oh.
But there's no historical documents to prove that she was pregnant.

Speaker 24 Oh, okay. So this movie is...

Speaker 49 Why do you have so much?

Speaker 94 So much, frankly, gross information about.

Speaker 105 It's my hobby.

Speaker 30 My hobby is...

Speaker 29 How come all those papers are printed out from your blog?

Speaker 63 They're just photocopies of my writings.

Speaker 80 These are my writings. Yes.

Speaker 14 Hi, what's your name? And what's your question?

Speaker 44 I'm David.

Speaker 132 My theory is in the scene where he's getting hypnotized, the second half of that scene is him experiencing what happened to his brother, sliding back into that moment before

Speaker 87 he's being killed.

Speaker 2 That's real.

Speaker 132 But the first portion of that is something that is totally different. It's him,

Speaker 132 unbeknownst to everybody else, when he was like running with the Latin kings, you know, when he was younger,

Speaker 132 he came into like the habit of auto robotic asphyxiation. So in that first part, he's

Speaker 111 like, what's going on?

Speaker 73 Let him cook, Dave. Let him cook.

Speaker 132 So when he's slipping back into that memory, he's like, hold up. This is kind of working for me.
So he's in that moment where his brother's getting choked out and he's like getting off on it.

Speaker 132 And he's actually, that's his O-face. He's coming as he's getting hypnotized.
And then after he comes, he slips back into the scene and then he experiences the death of his brother.

Speaker 90 I think you're 100% right on.

Speaker 113 Can you come here?

Speaker 28 What do you guys think?

Speaker 95 David, please come to every show and tell us which scene contained that actor's O-face.

Speaker 45 Our O-Face correspondent, David.

Speaker 83 Yes, hi. What's your name? What's your question?

Speaker 134 Corey. I think more attention needs to be paid on when he grabbed her by the hair at the end and she went flying.

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 134 Like into the pillows. Because I were around that like three times.

Speaker 35 Like, why does he have super strength?

Speaker 33 He is an old man.

Speaker 46 And I'm saying that as an old man because I bet if I looked it up, the actor playing Sydney is younger than I am currently.

Speaker 65 When shooting this movie would be my guess based on that time I looked up Wilford Brimley in a movie we did and he was one year older than me at the time

Speaker 25 which I have not recovered from I believe Danny Glover is 44 in the first lethal weapon where he's too old for this shit yeah that's a very disturbing fact uh and he also the age was a different time back then uh all right michael you're over here where are you yeah all right so michael's the one who brought it to us thank you michael for recommending this movie.

Speaker 22 I want to make sure that you get a chance to offer up any thoughts.

Speaker 14 Thank you, Paul.

Speaker 133 I just want to give a shout out to my brother-in-law, Chris, who I watched this movie with last March.

Speaker 133 I have.

Speaker 77 Are you guys identical?

Speaker 24 No. Brother-in-law.

Speaker 104 Brother-in-law. That's true.

Speaker 13 Could be pop.

Speaker 2 But their fingerprints do match. Weird.

Speaker 79 Don't ask my sister how she figured that out.

Speaker 86 That's right, Michael.

Speaker 55 You don't take shit from these idiots.

Speaker 38 That's right.

Speaker 49 They've been acting crazy all night.

Speaker 23 Real quick.

Speaker 79 Did you notice what the name of the shoe store was, Jason?

Speaker 11 What was it?

Speaker 79 Second Soul.

Speaker 23 Oh, okay.

Speaker 133 Because he's the second soul of Prime Spare.

Speaker 23 Got it.

Speaker 97 Why?

Speaker 59 Honestly, this audience sucks.

Speaker 19 I am going to believe, I am going to believe that this movie did not have the budget to do that.

Speaker 91 And there is an actual clothing, this shoe store called Impsoul because it's like your business shoe and then your casual shoe.

Speaker 89 All right, we'll look up that at one point.

Speaker 15 Okay, so real question.

Speaker 133 When Dark Spader is flashing back during the hypnosis when he zooms up into the hypnotist's house.

Speaker 1 Yes, when he's having his orgasm scene?

Speaker 33 When Robert Ricardo Ricardo is hanging with his mom in a man

Speaker 118 in a mansion somewhere? Yeah.

Speaker 33 He looks like, it looks as though Spader has arrived at like a 1950s mansion

Speaker 61 in the middle of the night. Robert Ricardo is wearing like a dress, like a

Speaker 101 smoking jacket or something.

Speaker 84 I was perplexed.

Speaker 111 So he flashes back and sees through Prime Spader's eyes the doctor winking at him from behind the curtain while he's being strung up so is he seeing it from a third person specific no that's what his brother saw he's seeing it through his brother's eyes okay thank you so he's just seeing more of the event now including the fact that sydney the creepy doctor was there wearing sockinies which spader bad spader is like fuck i shoes are my super yeah so that So that means two things.

Speaker 97 That means two things.

Speaker 79 One, that Prime Spader took the time to check out the shoes that he was wearing and that he knew that Sidney was behind the murder.

Speaker 24 Behind the curtain before he died?

Speaker 18 Well, that's the thing he could have said.

Speaker 59 I know it's not you. Let me down.

Speaker 4 So I don't think it was a technical murder.

Speaker 24 What?

Speaker 36 Because he knew and he didn't let on that he knew.

Speaker 32 So wait, you want justice for Jack?

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 95 Jack was forced to kill.

Speaker 51 Jack is forced to kill.

Speaker 29 Okay, finally, I'm going to vindicate you a little bit.

Speaker 133 Jack the Ripper was a bad guy and Jack was a murderer.

Speaker 50 Don't point at me.

Speaker 68 I'm not Jack.

Speaker 133 However, I think that you were correct that they were working together in a Palpatine Anakin,

Speaker 109 but it was about the abortions.

Speaker 79 He knew that he was going out and doing the abortions and saying good work.

Speaker 111 No, no, no.

Speaker 77 No.

Speaker 77 Come up here and fight me.

Speaker 77 Because the guy, the Christmas Carol man, who is the bad, grumpy man who works at the clinic the actual Jack the Ripper copycat killer.

Speaker 77 Yeah, he said think of your unborn child like he was like a pro-life he's two pro-life I agree.

Speaker 77 Yeah, and then the other guy did the abortion giver was also not a good guy because he was just doing it for money on the side The only good guy that would give you an abortion that would actually feel good would be spader spader prime Spader prime.

Speaker 35 Yeah, I think I mean I did kind of want bad spader to like impersonate his brother at some point and try and do doctor stuff.

Speaker 39 Yeah. That would have been cool.

Speaker 23 Hi, what's your name?

Speaker 129 Dominique.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's your question?

Speaker 129 Well, I think I can put it all together.

Speaker 111 Wow, I love this. So I love this.

Speaker 129 The psychiatrist actually also hypnotized the main doctor of the clinic.

Speaker 122 Okay.

Speaker 129 And he was influencing Jack.

Speaker 122 the other medical guy. Okay.

Speaker 129 And so they were kind of working together.

Speaker 50 Wait, including the hypnotist? So you think

Speaker 24 they're all together?

Speaker 129 It doesn't make any other sense for him to get so mad when he's like, you know who did it. And then he like pulls out the gun and is about to shoot him.

Speaker 97 Yeah, well, that's.

Speaker 126 I thought that too, because that's when I thought the movie was trying to tell us.

Speaker 94 And I do think the movie is trying to obfuscate things more.

Speaker 33 I felt like the moment when Robert Picardo is reaching to the gun and saying, you think you know, is meant to make us feel like, oh, maybe it's him?

Speaker 41 That's what I thought. I thought it too.

Speaker 4 So, all right, so what we're saying is Robert Picardo is the...

Speaker 98 is the main villain.

Speaker 72 He is hypnotizing people to go out and do his bidding.

Speaker 4 So they don't even know. That's why the the guy's got dark skins.

Speaker 51 I'm sorry, and he lives with his mother,

Speaker 68 Dominique. I'm not sure.

Speaker 100 I don't know if that's it.

Speaker 50 I mean, if they're all

Speaker 27 all the murderers live with their moms, is what we heard.

Speaker 77 Yeah, and he's hypnotized his mom to keep paying the mortgage and buying him the cereal he likes.

Speaker 46 I would love it.

Speaker 55 I would love it if it's revealed that they are.

Speaker 25 Mom, I said, give me a Sally stretch, not a my buddy.

Speaker 22 Yes, okay.

Speaker 63 Yes, what's your question?

Speaker 38 So I'm Michael number two.

Speaker 127 I'm an anesthesiologist, and I just wanted to bring up three things that are accurate in the movie. Short white coats for medical students.

Speaker 127 Second, attendings, when you're going through that whole process, you don't work for them. They can't fire you.
They kind of own you, and you're like basically like slave labor for them.

Speaker 127 And if you told one of them to fuck off, they would probably try to murder you in your sleep, like Hermione. And lastly,

Speaker 127 is a Latino man, a Latino mother waking up in her 70s to see if you're okay in the middle of the night? Completely accurate, especially in Los Angeles.

Speaker 116 Wow.

Speaker 47 Well, now we've really tied it all together.

Speaker 22 I mean, there's nothing else to say.

Speaker 116 Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 97 He's just getting up in the middle of the night to do some hypnotizing.

Speaker 38 You've got to hypnotize me.

Speaker 68 What a crazy thing to show up in the middle of the night.

Speaker 21 You just got to hypnotize me.

Speaker 69 Don't make me think I'm a chicken.

Speaker 72 Obviously, we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion.

Speaker 74 It is now time for second opinions.

Speaker 129 Hi, my name is Stephanie.

Speaker 6 Hey.

Speaker 96 Okay.

Speaker 130 Some folks are dumb. They don't know real hard.

Speaker 130 Stars, they give one or two.

Speaker 130 Amazon asks, how good was this film? Ooh, they say the fans are fools. No,

Speaker 130 it ain't three.

Speaker 130 It ain't three.

Speaker 130 It ain't even number four.

Speaker 130 It ain't three.

Speaker 130 It ain't three.

Speaker 130 I'll only give it five stars.

Speaker 103 Yes, amazing.

Speaker 97 Great job.

Speaker 76 Well, well, well.

Speaker 18 While our singers were singing, I was able to do some research and I found out indeed Second Soul is a shoe store that does exist for runners

Speaker 111 in LA?

Speaker 23 It doesn't matter who.

Speaker 14 It doesn't make a difference. Yeah, there we go.
But it probably wasn't L.A.

Speaker 23 Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 Let me give you this here.

Speaker 31 The average rating of this movie is 4.6 out of 5 stars.

Speaker 31 76 reviews are five-star reviews.

Speaker 98 Only 2% are one-star.

Speaker 62 And this will start off with Gov.

Speaker 71 Gov writes: why do people in the 80s hate curtains?

Speaker 119 Five stars.

Speaker 76 True.

Speaker 96 True.

Speaker 97 Very true.

Speaker 23 Harold wrote, James Fader, as a blonde in this walked so Carmy from the bear could run.

Speaker 119 Five stars.

Speaker 56 Interesting.

Speaker 33 They're both kind of jacked little guys.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 77 And they do kind of do like, just like, like weird stuff with their tongues sometimes.

Speaker 77 Don't they kind of go like

Speaker 99 sometimes?

Speaker 4 You got some solid yes.

Speaker 29 Did they both do a lizard?

Speaker 92 I don't know.

Speaker 77 I was noticing what James Vader was doing with his tongue.

Speaker 24 Oh, yeah. Okay.
Very cool.

Speaker 49 Very

Speaker 68 holy one.

Speaker 51 A couple other people noticed it as well.

Speaker 29 You might want to start a little club.

Speaker 98 From a review that it says reviewed in Japan in 2019.

Speaker 71 James Svader.

Speaker 22 I am good at acting.

Speaker 25 I watched it.

Speaker 62 The story itself was different from my imagination, looking at the jacket.

Speaker 20 And it was quite interesting.

Speaker 108 It may be because I'm dull, but I didn't know the true culprit until the end, and I was pounding the floor watching it.

Speaker 31 There's no good things in movies right now.

Speaker 63 There were no Japanese subtitles or dubbing.

Speaker 62 But I'm not good at English.

Speaker 90 I enjoyed it.

Speaker 18 It's a movie.

Speaker 44 I want to watch it.

Speaker 2 I was glad to watch it.

Speaker 119 Five Five stars.

Speaker 33 Incredible.

Speaker 77 That made more sense than anything Manzuchas has said this entire show.

Speaker 11 How dare you? Sorry. How dare you?

Speaker 87 Because my English isn't so good.

Speaker 77 No, your English is perfect. Your ideas are stupid and bad.

Speaker 108 How dare you? Now,

Speaker 2 I did ask somebody about this film.

Speaker 4 I told

Speaker 119 Miss June Diane Rayfield, I said, the movie that we are doing.

Speaker 25 She said, please forgive.

Speaker 2 she's wearing a wig she's in full costume she's in a period piece show um i i gave her the title and the year

Speaker 14 and i said you tell us what it's about

Speaker 135 hi how did this good made listeners and hi people of largo paul and jason told me that this movie's called jack's back jack's back and that and they asked if i could figure out what the movie was about just based on the title alone and the year which is 1988.

Speaker 135 Now, of course, initially, I thought, oh, it's probably about a dad named Jack who

Speaker 135 dies early, too soon,

Speaker 135 and

Speaker 135 every winter comes back as a snowman. And

Speaker 135 the moral being, snow dad is better than no dad. But then that sounded too familiar and too reminiscent of a different movie.
So I don't think it's that. I think Jack

Speaker 135 is Jack of Jack and Jill.

Speaker 135 And

Speaker 135 he's a killer doll. He's a killer doll.
And he was thrown away

Speaker 135 when his owner, sort of like Andy and Toy Story, was coming of age. He was discarded rather rudely and unceremoniously.

Speaker 135 And he's back.

Speaker 135 He's back. He's never forgotten what's happened.
And he's ready to seek revenge.

Speaker 136 Jack's back.

Speaker 76 Great.

Speaker 67 I would watch that.

Speaker 114 Jack's back.

Speaker 77 I can't believe you got such a hot woman to do this stupid show.

Speaker 116 Oh, any final thoughts?

Speaker 95 Do you have any of the other scenes that have music in them, the saxophone?

Speaker 62 I might.

Speaker 81 There was just some next-level 80s saxophone stuff while Spader's like sitting on his porch petting a cat.

Speaker 65 Oh, in between shifts at second soul.

Speaker 4 I did want to talk about this scene.

Speaker 2 This is the one scene before we go that I think is worthy of chatting about.

Speaker 8 Isn't it a little late?

Speaker 112 This is an emergency.

Speaker 113 May we come in?

Speaker 8 I'm not really dressed.

Speaker 112 It's okay. We're police officers.

Speaker 58 Not a lot's changed, LA.

Speaker 77 This scene pissed me off, but I also, I'm like at odds with myself because I also was the same person who was so mad that he jangled the gate when she was about to take her bra off.

Speaker 77 So I was like, I was looking forward to seeing tits, and then later I was like, those cops are so rude.

Speaker 91 It seems that the cops are into being perves.

Speaker 4 Like, they are like.

Speaker 50 Yeah, man, they're creeps.

Speaker 98 They're triggered happy creeps all right well we don't have to be that rude about them i mean people said a lot of bad things about jack the ripper oh god

Speaker 46 and two of them we know are not true um

Speaker 2 any final thoughts uh on the film any final anything i loved the movie and i love you guys and i'm glad you made me watch it so happy that you're here it's so great i had a blast i I you know, we've had to watch so, so many bad movies that are truly bad in a slog.

Speaker 81 This was a delight.

Speaker 46 Not once did I have a note that was like, how is there still 45 minutes left?

Speaker 21 I more was like, it's over already.

Speaker 31 I literally sat down.

Speaker 21 I was like for the soundtrack.

Speaker 30 I sat down. I sat down.

Speaker 75 I was like, I'll watch 30 minutes. I'll get this out of the way.

Speaker 22 And then I'll watch some more later.

Speaker 105 I watched the whole thing. I didn't move.
I didn't move.

Speaker 42 I was sad I hadn't seen it when it came out, and I was 16 years old.

Speaker 77 I'm surprised you like it so much because didn't you keep calling it like Loof Glalias?

Speaker 77 Wait, Wait, what? Loof glanias? Loof glarious.

Speaker 100 Loof glanius.

Speaker 77 Leclanius.

Speaker 77 Loop proofgrisque.

Speaker 24 Laborious.

Speaker 77 Loquacious. Lugubrious? Lugubrious.

Speaker 24 Loof.

Speaker 57 Loof.

Speaker 50 Loofgurius. Loof goo.

Speaker 110 Looferigno grainius.

Speaker 24 Loof gralius.

Speaker 110 Loof granius.

Speaker 29 Loof granius. Well, that's the shit.

Speaker 111 Loofless glanius.

Speaker 95 It's a picture of Lisa, and it just says says Loof Gralius, question mark.

Speaker 104 Loof Galius.

Speaker 118 Luf Erig's disease.

Speaker 29 And that's your,

Speaker 115 or that's as if you're Hermione and that's a spell.

Speaker 50 Yes. Loof Gralius.

Speaker 111 Lisph Grayus.

Speaker 2 That is the shirt.

Speaker 43 All right. Thank you, everybody.
Good night. We love you, April.

Speaker 103 April, April, April, April, April, April, April, April,

Speaker 43 Thank you so much, everybody.

Speaker 22 That's really nice of you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 97 Give it for Lisa. Thank you, everybody.

Speaker 13 Thanks for having me. I love you guys.

Speaker 96 It's you, LA.

Speaker 1 Thanks again to the hilarious Lisa Gilroy for filling in for June, and a huge thank you to our pals at Largo, Flanny, Griffey, Alec in the booth, and our recording engineer, Brendan Burns.

Speaker 1 We'll be back in Los Angeles at Largo for two shows on October 22nd and 23rd. So go to hdtgm.com to get your tickets because they will sell out.
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Speaker 1 And as always, if you have a correction or omission for this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619-PAULASK or write a comment on our Discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM, and I'll respond to your messages next week on Last Looks.

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