Deadfall LIVE! w/ Chelsea Peretti (HDTGM Matinee)

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Speaker 18 It's like an executive at Lifetime decided, hey, we should make a Quentin Tarantino movie. We saw a deadfall, so you know what that means.

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Speaker 18 Hello, people of Earth

Speaker 18 and hello, people of Los Angeles.

Speaker 18 We are live at the Wiltern Theater

Speaker 18 to talk about

Speaker 15 Deadfall.

Speaker 18 Who's got the cake? What is the cake?

Speaker 18 Is it actually cake? We will get the answer to all these questions and more.

Speaker 18 Man, alive, I cannot believe I've been alive this long and did not know this movie existed.

Speaker 18 This should have been done year one of this show. It's so good.

Speaker 18 This is like finding treasure in your backyard. Nicholas Cage this crazy and no one told me

Speaker 18 this doesn't even make the clip reels of people showing you how crazy Nicholas Cage is.

Speaker 18 To dissect this movie, I have to bring out my two amazing co-hosts, but first let me bring out Mr. Jason Manzukas.

Speaker 18 What's up, jerks?

Speaker 18 What's happening, Los Angeles? How we doing tonight?

Speaker 18 How we doing, balcony?

Speaker 23 Monsters, monsters.

Speaker 18 Balcony monsters in full effect.

Speaker 24 Oh, my God.

Speaker 18 Funny thing about the balcony monsters, never wear pants. Just the shirts.

Speaker 25 Pantsless.

Speaker 26 Just putting their asses on those seats.

Speaker 27 Rubbing them around.

Speaker 29 Getting that Wiltern butt.

Speaker 26 Got a bad case of Wiltern, but.

Speaker 30 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 Jason,

Speaker 31 Deadfall.

Speaker 32 Loved it.

Speaker 33 I mean, can't...

Speaker 34 This was...

Speaker 35 Where was this?

Speaker 36 This is a gem.

Speaker 38 Nicholas Cage was

Speaker 39 a revelation in this movie.

Speaker 37 This was, I didn't even know this.

Speaker 26 This is out there and nobody's been like, how have you not done this?

Speaker 38 I blame you fucks for this.

Speaker 18 I also feel like this is a movie where every scene they introduce something new

Speaker 18 that tops the craziness of every scene before it.

Speaker 44 Yes, you're like, well, now we're in a pool shark movie with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 38 What?

Speaker 26 It's all about geometry, triangles.

Speaker 45 Mark Twain.

Speaker 43 Parallelogram.

Speaker 18 Adventures of Tom Sawyer.

Speaker 45 And my favorite of Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur's Court.

Speaker 35 No, is that what he says? Yeah, about, yeah. He only lists titles of the books when he describes Mark Twain.

Speaker 49 I've never read those books.

Speaker 28 Never.

Speaker 18 Why would you improvise such a thing? I feel like that was clearly an improvised moment.

Speaker 50 And he got caught.

Speaker 18 He's like, Mark Twain, what do I know? What do I know?

Speaker 13 Books.

Speaker 28 Should have been like, books, writer.

Speaker 41 You want me to talk about books, right?

Speaker 21 Well, I'm going to need a pencil-thin mustache.

Speaker 18 Get me the best red suit you can find. Take the curtains down, just like Gone with the Wind.
Make me a suit jacket.

Speaker 26 Stop plugging on spooled.

Speaker 18 Don't worry about it.

Speaker 18 Controversial classic? Yes, it is.

Speaker 18 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my second co-host, the lovely June Diane Rayfield.

Speaker 18 How are you, June?

Speaker 56 I'm good. How are you, Paul?

Speaker 18 Very good. Thank you for asking.

Speaker 57 June,

Speaker 10 thoughts about Deadfall?

Speaker 56 I mean, I had a hard time hearing you guys back there, but it seems like you enjoyed this movie. I did not.

Speaker 46 Okay.

Speaker 18 Fair point. Fair point.

Speaker 56 I did wonder, again, it was hard to hear, but I did wonder why we hadn't done it yet. And I was glad we hadn't done it yet.

Speaker 56 And I was sad that we had to do it.

Speaker 26 Would you be sad to find out we're replacing every night of the tour with this movie?

Speaker 18 That's the tour. The tour.

Speaker 59 The deadline

Speaker 60 is making June watch this movie every night.

Speaker 56 You know, a couple of people asked me today in my travels around the city.

Speaker 18 And you do travel.

Speaker 28 Oh, I do.

Speaker 21 Who are you talking to?

Speaker 62 Are you on a passer scooter?

Speaker 43 Are you just on a bird scooter rolling through town?

Speaker 56 I mean, listen, I love community. I love

Speaker 31 engagement.

Speaker 25 Six seasons in a movie?

Speaker 20 He's not announcing the movie.

Speaker 37 This is not.

Speaker 36 Get it together, LA.

Speaker 56 So so many people ask me today, and some of these people are friends and people I know and some I didn't know, what's the movie tonight?

Speaker 56 And I always think this is a sign of a terrible experience at a movie theater where I could not remember the name.

Speaker 56 And I said, it's two words.

Speaker 18 It's one.

Speaker 67 But it's not one word.

Speaker 18 Yes, it is. It is one word.

Speaker 58 In this instance, it is.

Speaker 18 Yes, they are two words.

Speaker 56 But is this a word? What do you, let's bring out our guest and we'll get into it.

Speaker 56 Because I don't want to, I I don't want to I have more questions about the title, but let's just

Speaker 56 finish your thought you well, but if it's one word, what does that word mean to you?

Speaker 18 Well, we should bring it up

Speaker 56 I just I thought you said it's a terrible experience when you go to a movie and you don't and well when you can't when you can't put the title to the movie at all when you can't

Speaker 56 It's like I feel like every movie we've done is called whatever this movie is

Speaker 38 This I will agree this has a title that is a, like, there are, it's a benign, weird, nonsense thing.

Speaker 31 Yes, I agree.

Speaker 56 And it feels like so many movies we've done. And when you said, I said, what is the movie we're doing?

Speaker 21 It doesn't feel like so many movies.

Speaker 23 Nicholas Cage is doing something that might as well be an animated character in the middle of this movie.

Speaker 74 I mean, Nicholas Cage, I believe, to be in blackface for most of this movie.

Speaker 37 I don't know what's doing with his deal.

Speaker 56 I guess. I mean,

Speaker 18 June doesn't see performances, she just sees titles.

Speaker 56 Let's bring out our guest, Paul, and then at some point I'd like to return to this conversation.

Speaker 18 I would love to bring us back to that because titles actually is going to come into play with our guest. And our guest has the unique distinction of having an eye for talent.

Speaker 18 She is the person who saw Oscar Isaac and said, yeah,

Speaker 18 that guy's got the goods. And she was right.
She also is one of the greats, one of the stars of Brooklyn 9-9.

Speaker 18 Please welcome Chelsea Plateau.

Speaker 18 Chelsea,

Speaker 54 welcome.

Speaker 18 Welcome back, Chelsea.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 76 Speaking of titles,

Speaker 20 speaking of titles, this movie is called Deadfall.

Speaker 18 There are two movies called Deadfall, one with Nicholas Cage and one with Olivia Wilde. You watch the Olivia Wilde one.
Tell us about that.

Speaker 69 I think what happened is that,

Speaker 69 one, God hates me.

Speaker 77 Two,

Speaker 69 your email, I think that Gmail created a hyperlink. Is that the right terminology?

Speaker 69 So I clicked the title thinking you somehow set that up.

Speaker 32 Got it.

Speaker 69 Thus it brought me to the Olivia Wilde.

Speaker 35 Oscar Isaac.

Speaker 28 No, he's not in. Oh, he's not.

Speaker 32 Okay. No, no.

Speaker 69 No,

Speaker 69 then I wouldn't be filled with rage. But

Speaker 69 yeah, so I watched a whole snowy hellscape.

Speaker 18 Was it an enjoyable movie? Were you confused why we were doing it, or would it fit into the show?

Speaker 69 I have to say it outdoes this Deadfall.

Speaker 69 I have to say you should now do Deadfall Part 2.

Speaker 16 Can I?

Speaker 56 I told you every movie we do is called Deadfall.

Speaker 25 I'll say this.

Speaker 21 I think we should do, regardless, all the Deadfalls.

Speaker 69 Every Deadfall.

Speaker 35 Let's do every Deadfall.

Speaker 24 And Deadpool, too.

Speaker 18 Why not just put it all in there? Anything with Dead and Falls.

Speaker 80 Any combination of Dead and Fall in other titles, I'll do that as well.

Speaker 63 So let's talk about the Teadfall.

Speaker 56 Are you sure you didn't hyperlink that?

Speaker 18 Yes, we checked it out.

Speaker 54 I mean,

Speaker 56 because that's a big mistake.

Speaker 69 I know.

Speaker 69 Also, like, there's multiple Deadfalls.

Speaker 81 Why not just spell it out right now?

Speaker 18 I literally put in the email to Chelsea. No,

Speaker 18 this is the deadfall that stars Nick Cage.

Speaker 38 I also got that email.

Speaker 59 I didn't click on the link, but if I had,

Speaker 69 I would have been just as fucked as Chelsea. That's right.

Speaker 35 I clicked on the links that I sent Chelsea.

Speaker 18 They all lent it to Nelson.

Speaker 67 No, I'll show you.

Speaker 34 I'll show you after the show.

Speaker 69 I wouldn't dream to waste everyone's time with something this minor.

Speaker 69 Just me spending hours and hours watching Deadfalls of every iteration.

Speaker 26 Did your child do anything for the first time during the course of you watching the wrong Deadfall?

Speaker 69 I missed him. He sang opera for the first time.

Speaker 32 At the Met? At the Met. At the Met?

Speaker 69 He was on stage at the Met.

Speaker 43 Wow.

Speaker 69 In Italian and French, apparently.

Speaker 26 And you had to watch Olivia Wilde Deadfall.

Speaker 69 Yeah, she had always like a dark lip.

Speaker 73 Well, let's talk about that.

Speaker 69 Tons of CGI snow, and she was always like

Speaker 69 with a dark lip lip peering through CGI snow.

Speaker 18 Well, let's talk about the title Deadfall, because June, you have an issue with this simple merging of words.

Speaker 56 I mean, what does Deadfall mean to you?

Speaker 18 Honestly, I don't know. I'm not defending it.
Like, dead drop would be a term that I've heard.

Speaker 56 I mean, maybe I'm going to make myself look a fool right now, but I don't know what that word means.

Speaker 60 I wonder, does anybody know nerds?

Speaker 72 Is there a definition for deadfall that makes sense for this movie?

Speaker 29 And if so, can one of you numb nuts figure out how to do it?

Speaker 18 I have somebody here. We're going to go down to the audience.

Speaker 6 We're going to go get them right away.

Speaker 18 This guy seemed very confident. Okay.

Speaker 31 Careful, sir.

Speaker 18 Careful. I saw, sir.
Careful.

Speaker 18 First, tell me your name. Paul, hold on.

Speaker 76 My name is Clark.

Speaker 18 This is Clark.

Speaker 78 Clark, explain to us.

Speaker 26 Ask him if he's Superman.

Speaker 18 Take the glasses off. Take your glasses off.

Speaker 32 Oh, he is.

Speaker 18 Clark, tell us what Deadfall means.

Speaker 83 A deadfall is a type of trap in which a heavy object is triggered to catch and maybe kill or capture your prey.

Speaker 51 Whoa.

Speaker 51 Okay.

Speaker 32 Way to go, Clark.

Speaker 69 Did you retain anything?

Speaker 32 A trap.

Speaker 32 A heavy trap.

Speaker 37 That's good type of capture.

Speaker 56 Like a bear trap?

Speaker 38 So it would be like if you set like a tree.

Speaker 29 It would be like if you set a tree up like this and somebody were to follow through.

Speaker 71 The tree would fall down and kill an animal.

Speaker 59 It's like a killing trap. It's a killing trap.

Speaker 85 Like, I'm assuming if you're hunting or something.

Speaker 56 Does that make sense for your deadfall?

Speaker 69 That's a tree fall.

Speaker 86 No, you would set it up.

Speaker 29 Like a human being would set it up to do it when triggered.

Speaker 71 Like, purposeful.

Speaker 69 But more accurately, that name seems better.

Speaker 69 I don't know.

Speaker 69 Like, as he was describing it, I was just zoning out. I can't, like.

Speaker 79 It was hard.

Speaker 69 I can't retain that kind of a definition.

Speaker 56 Because it's hard to think of like, well, so what is an example of a deadfall?

Speaker 18 Clark.

Speaker 69 A tree.

Speaker 18 Go back to Clark for a second.

Speaker 81 He seems

Speaker 18 Clark, I'm already giving Clark a lot of credit because, first of all, he was so succinct.

Speaker 18 He was right on it, and we're still having trouble with it. It's not your fault, it's our fault.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 82 Well, I think Wiley E. Coyote uses that device quite a bit.

Speaker 82 Use a heavy rock.

Speaker 28 A lot of that people use highbrow wig.

Speaker 82 And then and then attach to a rope that you pull when you see your prayer.

Speaker 5 You got it.

Speaker 18 So, like, okay, so he was saying like the Wiley Coyote Roadrunner traps. Again, a beautiful description, a heavy rock with a small twig.

Speaker 20 You pull the thing and the rock falls in.

Speaker 19 So it's a kill trap.

Speaker 69 Is that the only definition?

Speaker 18 Does someone have a different definition?

Speaker 77 Is there another example?

Speaker 56 Is there another example?

Speaker 70 Oh, God.

Speaker 26 I'm going to predict this right now. We will not talk about this this movie.

Speaker 87 We won't finish this podcast.

Speaker 43 You will listen to nine ads for Blue Apron,

Speaker 24 and we will only talk about the fucking title.

Speaker 80 How did this get titled, episode one?

Speaker 18 The taglines of this movie were dot dot dot, the ultimate con.

Speaker 25 It starts with an ellipsis?

Speaker 28 Yep.

Speaker 88 Nope.

Speaker 63 Nope, because that presumes that something was the first half of that sentence.

Speaker 18 Nope. Dot, dot, dot, the ultimate con.
And the second tagline was.

Speaker 45 How about it?

Speaker 26 What if it was just like James con, dot, dot, dot, the ultimate con?

Speaker 18 The other one was, you won't know who to trust, dot, dot, dot, what to believe, dot, dot, dot, or where to run,

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Speaker 18 Let's talk about trivia.

Speaker 19 This movie was written by the writer of Green Book.

Speaker 32 Nick Valalonga.

Speaker 18 When I saw his name on the screen, I bolted out of bed.

Speaker 18 He also plays one of the workers in the pizza coffee shop place as well.

Speaker 28 Wow, wowee.

Speaker 18 And Nick Valalonga, his father is Tony Lip, the man that Vigo Mortensen played in Green Book. But yeah, so

Speaker 71 this is a precursor to Greenbook.

Speaker 43 That you are, wow.

Speaker 12 Wow, which one's better?

Speaker 18 Nick Valalonga also wrote a movie called In the Kingdom of the Blind, The Man with One Eye is King, The Corporate Ladder, Choker.

Speaker 69 This is all one title.

Speaker 18 So yeah,

Speaker 18 this is an interesting look back at where his career started and where it went to and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 18 This movie is

Speaker 85 amazing because it starts,

Speaker 18 it looks aggressively low budget.

Speaker 18 And I said to June, one of the things that really is really shocking to me, and I couldn't figure out why is this movie so weird, and it's because there's no production design, and I don't mean that visually, I mean it's sound design.

Speaker 18 It's deadly silent. Yes.

Speaker 27 And it's unnerving.

Speaker 71 And you know where it's like most evident?

Speaker 42 In the sex scene.

Speaker 80 The sex sex scene was basically like

Speaker 42 slow people having sex who didn't turn any music on.

Speaker 25 It was like real

Speaker 49 weird.

Speaker 56 Well, there was something, I felt like there was also a lot of ill-fitting underwear in this movie.

Speaker 56 Just like baggy undies and like

Speaker 24 baggy undies.

Speaker 56 I have a very bad reaction to

Speaker 66 her

Speaker 56 underwear,

Speaker 56 his underwear. I feel like I wish it would...

Speaker 56 I want the underwear to be either very tight or very loose. But it was so impressive.

Speaker 64 Very loose.

Speaker 13 I don't want to be very loose.

Speaker 73 What's an example of you, guys?

Speaker 18 No big deal, guys.

Speaker 62 I wear some very loose.

Speaker 28 Paul, take your pants off.

Speaker 27 What's going on?

Speaker 69 Every other day you switch it up.

Speaker 68 Super switching.

Speaker 18 I'm just like putting it in there with a spatula.

Speaker 37 I gotta get it pulled through the pants.

Speaker 28 Paul takes his pants off and he's got incredible bloomers on.

Speaker 51 Like so loose and big.

Speaker 60 Billowy underwear. Parachute.

Speaker 79 They're made out of a parachute.

Speaker 29 If you look at Paul, it's just bunched up in his jeans.

Speaker 31 I will say to put three yards of fabric.

Speaker 18 I have to pull them through the bottom of my pants.

Speaker 56 It's a conversation we get into a lot with our children where I like their underwear to be tighter.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And I say to June, you need to give them a little bit of space for all everything.

Speaker 56 But I'm like, let's, doesn't it all need to be contained?

Speaker 20 And I say, no.

Speaker 86 Doesn't it? Are you afraid that they're going to get loose?

Speaker 56 I just want it to be like...

Speaker 28 It's more like a piece of pain. I want it to be protected.

Speaker 18 I mean, pajamas, you like to put them in like a sausage casing pajama.

Speaker 79 You know why though?

Speaker 56 That is because if there were ever, God forbid, a fire, they are safer in very form-fitting pajamas.

Speaker 79 But guess what?

Speaker 81 They are.

Speaker 73 It's not going to be a fire.

Speaker 37 And they sleep in a fire.

Speaker 69 It's going to be an earthquake.

Speaker 67 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 39 They sleep in wrestling singlets, right?

Speaker 25 Or scuba singles.

Speaker 56 I don't like, I'm actually concerned about it right now. Paul's purchased both of them pajamas that are loose.

Speaker 18 If they're running through a burning house, there's much more of a chance of a they're gonna see a paw patrol just paw patrol pajamas running flappy paw patrol pajamas

Speaker 32 well

Speaker 23 like made of like like fabric based kerosene i'm sure

Speaker 18 they all say non-flammable um i will say that there is something about seeing a man in boxers in a sex scene when he goes to grab his junk out it's like ooh i didn't like it i didn't like boxers just be bare assed or like you you said, wear jockeys or something.

Speaker 40 Did you see his hairy ass crack in this movie?

Speaker 35 And I was like, what is this?

Speaker 38 Could you, it's like a straight down the shoe.

Speaker 79 Yes, I was actually,

Speaker 69 I commend Coppola for that one.

Speaker 35 Yes.

Speaker 45 Chris Coppola. It went up.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Yes, Chris Coppola, Nicholas Cage's brother.

Speaker 69 It went kind of down into his butt crack and then it like went back like that.

Speaker 59 It was like, it just almost did it just to be like, in case you're wondering what's doing inside his butt crab,

Speaker 26 here's a peek.

Speaker 69 Let's zoom you in there.

Speaker 45 Here's a, hey, sexy dingleberry alert.

Speaker 32 Like,

Speaker 49 this was a wild moment.

Speaker 69 And she reached into his pants.

Speaker 49 Oh, you're right.

Speaker 18 That shot.

Speaker 69 She reached. I remember that shot because, again, it was sort of evocative for me.
And

Speaker 69 she reached in there and grabbed it.

Speaker 18 She reached in like you would be reaching into like some sort of like prize chest. Like, let me, what am I gonna get gotta go deeper at the bottom

Speaker 18 like like as if there were other dicks that you pass around not gonna grab nope nope nope that's the one that's the one I want

Speaker 86 it was like well that's what happens inside a billowy underwear

Speaker 56 that's why I'm saying keep it tight keep it together know what you're gonna get But this movie did definitely have too much boob.

Speaker 18 I said TMB. I mean the boob.

Speaker 28 Too much boob.

Speaker 18 Too much boob.

Speaker 36 Begged a different.

Speaker 28 But I mean, that's boo.

Speaker 18 I just felt like it was, like, gratuitous and not sexy. It was just sort of like

Speaker 78 almost like an art class.

Speaker 71 What was hard for me was this movie is, and we've not really described what the movie is at all, which I love, by the way.

Speaker 38 But this is like the archetype is a classic film noir.

Speaker 88 He is a, you know, where the femme fatale seduces the guy, the, the guy into falling into a trap and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 32 Like double indemnity.

Speaker 66 Oh.

Speaker 56 Could you watch it?

Speaker 26 It's almost.

Speaker 18 One of the greatest movies, 100 greatest movies. Right.
Yeah, on the AFI top plus. Yeah.

Speaker 51 Wow.

Speaker 92 You see how I'm here talking, June?

Speaker 56 June, can I talk to you? No,

Speaker 95 I'm here talking about classic film noir, the archetypes of the form, you know, and he just comes in with some unspooled bullshit.

Speaker 51 It's

Speaker 56 honestly, it's a great.

Speaker 67 At this point, it's a great thing.

Speaker 78 What did you say?

Speaker 25 No, no, this isn't that job.

Speaker 37 Did you just call June angels?

Speaker 18 I'm so sorry, guys. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 43 And so

Speaker 74 the archetype dictates that there be a femme fatale to seduce the kind of the guy, and their chemistry is a straight zero.

Speaker 85 Like, there is nothing compelling about their chemistry, even remotely.

Speaker 18 She seems like a person who has access to a femme fatale's closet, but is not the femme fatale.

Speaker 79 She's playing dress-up.

Speaker 37 Yeah, she's that.

Speaker 35 Ooh, that hat.

Speaker 27 She's like a woman who, like, every Halloween is a femme fatale.

Speaker 18 Well, this whole movie is costumed like, it was like, the theme is gangster.

Speaker 18 Like, like, even that guy who comes out at the pool hall with charlie sheen who's like wearing like a black undershirt and like with a cell phone on the side so it looks like everyone's doing their best i don't have that much at home i think this is gangster yeah yeah it's gangster it's gangster you're gangster the idea that you said and i did not know this that this was directed by nicholas cage's brother yes makes so much sense as to why nicholas cage is allowed to do what he's doing well jason just to kind of put a little bit of a the change of your mind here, he came to set in a cage, dressed in a wig, albino contacts, and sunglasses because he thought it would add authenticity to the character.

Speaker 18 And then his brother told him, you could not dress however you want for the part.

Speaker 71 We have people for that.

Speaker 28 Wow.

Speaker 18 But it seems like his brother lost a large part.

Speaker 79 This was the scaled back version.

Speaker 38 This is the version they could agree would be putting.

Speaker 37 This is the compromise.

Speaker 18 I will say, too, to go go back to the Femfatel lead actor role. At one point when I was watching, I was like, Man, this guy reminds me of the guy from Terminator.
And they go, oh, it is.

Speaker 18 It is the guy from Terminator.

Speaker 26 Michael Bean is like, he's in Aliens, he's in so many great movies of this time period.

Speaker 26 But I love him.

Speaker 38 I love him in this era. And I love, he's such a great,

Speaker 85 I think he's such a great face for this period of movies that I'm like, oh, I feel like I never got more of Michael Bean.

Speaker 27 I want more Michael Bean.

Speaker 18 Well, I did not want more Michael Bean.

Speaker 56 I'm all set.

Speaker 59 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 18 I mean, I want Michael Bean in those movies.

Speaker 18 The original actors were Val Kilmer and

Speaker 18 Joanna Whaley.

Speaker 6 Oh, wow.

Speaker 18 Yeah, they pulled out right before the movie started shooting. So these two were real last-minute replacements.

Speaker 59 Wow.

Speaker 69 See, pulling out really does offer protection.

Speaker 18 I know we're jumping around, but since we were talking about the sex scene, can I just play the post-coidal scene?

Speaker 18 Because this is one of the most disturbing revelations of the film when she asks about the locket.

Speaker 18 What was she like?

Speaker 98 The girl in the locket?

Speaker 99 I barely remember.

Speaker 100 So, why do you carry it then?

Speaker 99 It's just kind of a reminder, I guess.

Speaker 5 Of what?

Speaker 99 Things we're still looking for.

Speaker 99 Like.

Speaker 99 My god.

Speaker 56 Like I lied to you.

Speaker 99 It's not an old girlfriend.

Speaker 99 It's my mother.

Speaker 78 It's not an old girlfriend.

Speaker 18 It's my mom.

Speaker 42 There is, in this scene, there is no score.

Speaker 95 There's not a song.

Speaker 72 There is there's nothing in

Speaker 32 the void.

Speaker 56 There's no like street noise.

Speaker 67 Like some something going on.

Speaker 64 There's no walla walla.

Speaker 49 Nope. Yeah.

Speaker 51 A car honk. Nothing.

Speaker 18 It's deadly silent. It's as silent as that void, that black void that they had sex in, because they're in a hotel room and then it's just a black void.

Speaker 42 It's like in under the skin where

Speaker 87 Charlotte Johansson puts everybody.

Speaker 85 This movie takes place in that liquid.

Speaker 20 I want to show you that movie, June.

Speaker 34 I'm scared.

Speaker 23 I would like to be there to watch June watch that movie.

Speaker 18 No, but it's so weird that no sound is influenced. Alright, so the movie starts off.
Michael Bean is in.

Speaker 34 Sorry, Paul.

Speaker 75 So what

Speaker 56 is there another person in the locket or he just has a locket with just one picture? That's weird.

Speaker 58 Also,

Speaker 56 what did happen to his mother?

Speaker 18 And do men wear lockets?

Speaker 18 Not to make it heteronormative, but it doesn't seem like.

Speaker 79 That's so funny.

Speaker 69 That never even crossed my mind.

Speaker 69 Like in this complete shitstorm of incoherent details, I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 18 And then he takes it off before sex.

Speaker 28 Like, hold on.

Speaker 36 But, but props it up open so mom can watch him fuck.

Speaker 87 He's like, I want my mommy to watch us fuck.

Speaker 85 I didn't know her, so it's not that weird.

Speaker 45 This gets me off.

Speaker 33 Also,

Speaker 85 also, I felt like it is strange to have an, there is a sadness to a locket that has two sides and only one side is full.

Speaker 59 Yes.

Speaker 18 Maybe she would be the other person.

Speaker 72 It's like wearing a beef fry sta and

Speaker 23 best friends

Speaker 26 locket and being like, well, I don't know who has the other half.

Speaker 79 Absolutely.

Speaker 56 So he's walking around with a heart-shaped locket around his neck.

Speaker 32 Yes. Wow.

Speaker 69 Okay. It's funny to me that he thinks it's more awkward to say it's his mom than to say it's another girl.

Speaker 12 Really? Here.

Speaker 69 Like it's better, oh, I'm memorializing my mom. She died.
No, he's hiding that by being like, it's a girlfriend that I carry a locket of all the time.

Speaker 101 Or, but hear me out.

Speaker 27 It's also like, it's my mommy that I wear on my heart.

Speaker 70 It's pretty weird.

Speaker 69 If you're like trying to get involved with someone, you take that. I mean, they both suck.

Speaker 31 Both are red flags.

Speaker 69 Yeah, they're huge.

Speaker 77 Huge red flags.

Speaker 18 I mean, good thing

Speaker 18 that she doesn't have much of a sensibility because she's dating Nick Cage when we meet her. So I think her bar is set very low.

Speaker 18 And just to get into Nick Cage in this world, Nick Cage in this movie,

Speaker 18 wow.

Speaker 47 I mean.

Speaker 47 It's kind of like there's not.

Speaker 56 I think the tough thing about it is just like, what do you say? You know,

Speaker 69 I know what to say. Okay.

Speaker 69 Phenomenal. No,

Speaker 69 I feel like his performance feels like, you know, when you're shooting something, you guys know.

Speaker 69 And like, it's like between takes, you're joking around with the other actors. You're like, see my line like this.
And then he actually did it.

Speaker 12 I feel like he was like, hey.

Speaker 45 Do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton?

Speaker 18 Yes, I wrote that down.

Speaker 45 Do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton?

Speaker 28 I will do it.

Speaker 88 It's half Tony Clifton, half Al Pacino's scarface.

Speaker 38 Like, I don't know what he's up to, but I'm obsessed with it.

Speaker 72 It's not in, it doesn't belong in this movie.

Speaker 58 It's in another movie.

Speaker 18 And it's all through clenched teeth.

Speaker 51 We're in Kritika over here.

Speaker 51 Let's go.

Speaker 18 It's like, it's not easy.

Speaker 69 So, like, why does he need a prosthetic nose? Like, there's no reason.

Speaker 67 Is there?

Speaker 69 Does it come into play in any way?

Speaker 67 I think it can be a lot of fun. It's awesome.

Speaker 56 Like, is his...

Speaker 56 Is his character an insane person?

Speaker 5 Obviously.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 56 yes, but it doesn't seem like the world is reacting to him. Like, oh, there's a nut.
There's a mentally unstable

Speaker 56 person in our midst. Like, we have to all be...

Speaker 65 quite cautious.

Speaker 38 Oh, arguably, if I'm

Speaker 12 L.A.

Speaker 95 James Coburn, right?

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 42 The uncle, if I'm Uncle Lou or whatever, the idea that this is your right-hand man means you're bad at being a gangster.

Speaker 45 Because he's.

Speaker 56 He is unwell.

Speaker 38 He is, like, everybody is so subtle, including the monkeys, Mickey Dolans.

Speaker 80 Shouts to Mickey Dolans from the monkeys who's in there.

Speaker 18 Everybody's a pressville salesman. they seemingly, this mafia owns a block, and everyone that is in the block is part of this weird conman mafia, but are they just conning themselves all day?

Speaker 60 They're running numbers.

Speaker 85 They're taking bets on a neighborhood lottery, basically.

Speaker 26 They're numbers runners or whatever. In what looked to me like the farmer's market.
Yes.

Speaker 43 On Fairfax.

Speaker 71 Which was very strange.

Speaker 85 But Nicholas, like they're all doing such a good job of being subtle about the crime they're committing.

Speaker 12 And Nicholas Cage is literally enormous.

Speaker 38 He's his he's dressed insanely.

Speaker 97 He's screaming all of his lines everything.

Speaker 59 I mean if you did not watch the movie I'm certain there's some compilation of his scenes.

Speaker 18 Well, I mean you have to find it. Here's a little taste of Nick in the Nick in the bar

Speaker 75 Here we go What's your problem, boy? I thought you were seven.

Speaker 28 We aren't that baby. It's nothing to worry about.

Speaker 30 What the hell you bothering me for?

Speaker 53 Your baby's a little cranky tonight, huh?

Speaker 75 Yeah.

Speaker 75 I don't dig looking at your ugly face.

Speaker 73 Now your partner, even as a cool dude.

Speaker 53 Cool enough to get that baby to burp up $1,500?

Speaker 30 And being jacked shit.

Speaker 75 He told me all I had to do was walk outside with him, shake his head, and I was even.

Speaker 53 Are you telling me that was his fucking money?

Speaker 75 Somebody's after your job, boy.

Speaker 76 I bet he even stole your woman.

Speaker 47 I picked that scene.

Speaker 18 I picked that scene because literally every line is a different.

Speaker 96 Different voice.

Speaker 28 Different voice. Yep.

Speaker 18 Different voice.

Speaker 45 That's that.

Speaker 74 Let me be clear.

Speaker 38 That's the only take they could use.

Speaker 86 However many takes they did, they were like, this is the only one.

Speaker 72 This is the one that makes the most sense, I guess.

Speaker 18 Excuse me, Nick, I know we're brothers, but can you not throw water in the face of the extras without telling them?

Speaker 18 And also, don't punch an extra too, because in a second later, he just punches a guy in the stomach, and I feel like no one was aware of any of that.

Speaker 43 It is, it is, it is, he's basically in the middle of a noir, like a CD noir riff, a terrible CD noir riff.

Speaker 38 He's basically doing a Comedia del Arte character.

Speaker 40 He's playing like a clown.

Speaker 56 Yeah, he's stated like you are in Comedia, like you're just angry, you're just sad. He's fully stated the entire movie

Speaker 18 I I mean I love though the commitment to it because no one else is doing this like no like it's not like

Speaker 69 it's so big can you imagine being in a scene with this well that's that's sort of what I'm saying like I genuinely think I don't think he thought this was gonna be a good movie I think he sort of is like, my brother sucks,

Speaker 69 like, and I'm just gonna have fun. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 69 I think he thought this was a well-conceived

Speaker 18 Chelsea. I would agree with you.
Except he made a sequel to this movie.

Speaker 18 Nicholas Cage took this character and made a sequel in 2017.

Speaker 30 What?

Speaker 30 What are you talking about? I love it.

Speaker 58 What?

Speaker 28 What, my.

Speaker 28 What are you talking about?

Speaker 21 Is it called Deadfall 2 the rise of Eddie?

Speaker 18 Let me see

Speaker 33 oh my god.

Speaker 28 Okay,

Speaker 25 so

Speaker 18 So this movie comes out in 1993 and 2017 Nicholas Cage brings back Eddie with a very interesting grouping of people. Bear with it because he comes in a little bit later, but here we go.
It's worth it.

Speaker 18 You know, Mike, I have a job for you if you want it.

Speaker 11 Brothers, don't worry about me.

Speaker 19 Listen, you talk to you about Mikey.

Speaker 73 Tell me something.

Speaker 64 Is it true what I heard? You bought some coat and you wanted to flip it?

Speaker 75 What do you want me to say?

Speaker 18 So you're a drug dealer now.

Speaker 46 Bring my coat, Com! Where is it?

Speaker 17 Your brother is always getting into trouble.

Speaker 82 It's Mikey. I owe everything to him.

Speaker 99 I think we're even.

Speaker 50 Oh, you think we're even, you and I? I know of a way where we can both earn what we deserve.

Speaker 18 There's no amount of money that I would do that for you all

Speaker 18 meet

Speaker 28 Wow

Speaker 44 And again

Speaker 72 like a what looks like a gritty crime thriller with a cartoon character with Tony Clifton in the middle of it by the way how it has even exists in this movie

Speaker 56 ever survived the deep fryer death right with no scar.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 72 Here's the challenge.

Speaker 31 It makes the third movie.

Speaker 18 This is not even two years old.

Speaker 57 My question was, ultimately, who is that?

Speaker 44 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 32 Who is

Speaker 87 like in the bus?

Speaker 80 In the bus, when Michael Bean is taking the bus, we rack focus to this guy.

Speaker 74 And I was like, huh, okay, well, obviously that guy's part of the story yeah and then here he is again and he gets killed outside and did anybody ever tell me where and why the beard guy was involved

Speaker 18 right I understood it as there's an add-on backstage that says if you had a fake beard a fake wig a tick or a voice you could just show up and you get

Speaker 67 like I genuinely did not know

Speaker 56 I'm assuming that the uncle must have hired him or did his dad hire him his dad probably hired him to keep an eye on him.

Speaker 74 Oh, I get it. Was the dad trying to using this guy?

Speaker 85 Okay, I get it.

Speaker 80 James Coburn, the dad, hired Fakebeard to kill Nick Cage because Nick Cage might kill Michael Bean.

Speaker 18 Oh, got it. Right?

Speaker 85 But that's gotta be it because he probably wanted to protect his son within the sit the dangerous situation he was putting his son in without this son's knowledge and saw Nicholas Cage as so erratic as to be potentially a threat to the son which Nicholas Cage was already starting to assume that Michael Bean was trying to kill him, right?

Speaker 28 I don't know.

Speaker 32 I don't know.

Speaker 18 That makes sense.

Speaker 56 Can anyone up here take a stab at just what ultimately from beginning to end the con was?

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 43 yeah.

Speaker 44 I mean, from beginning to end, like the movie is.

Speaker 28 The beginning of the movie. Yeah, beginning.

Speaker 18 So he basically, the dad faces death knowing that the son will go find his brother. And then the son will start working for the brother to get involved in this big diamond uh con

Speaker 56 and then how would the dad know that

Speaker 64 it's a leap of faith it's a real

Speaker 12 wait was the dad

Speaker 64 did the dad set that up yeah does the dad the diamond did the dad set the diamond deal in motion with harry who deani or whatever harry harry

Speaker 18 wait the first the the first one or the second diamond one this the the only the oh macro thing?

Speaker 71 Because, okay, so you have James Copern the dad, right?

Speaker 60 And in the opening scene, Michael Bean thinks he's killed him, and everybody goes their separate ways.

Speaker 23 Okay, Peter Fonda, everybody else, Gripe.

Speaker 56 But he also walks out with, doesn't he walk out with money?

Speaker 18 And Peter Fonda does say to him, like, your dad wants you to get the cake. Yeah.
So that's, that's.

Speaker 26 And his dad's dying words were, go to my brother, get the cake.

Speaker 18 Yeah, so that's however.

Speaker 69 Like of all this, I just heard cake.

Speaker 25 Yes.

Speaker 64 Agreed? The The whole movie, I was just like, mmm, cake.

Speaker 84 And it really was like, and the cake, I guess, again, like a Noari way, I guess the cake is like, contains a thing like the Maltese Falcon cream.

Speaker 18 I thought the cake was a, I feel like that cake is a chicken.

Speaker 21 With the ring is in.

Speaker 61 No, the engagement ring for the shared woman that they loved.

Speaker 18 Right? That's the cake?

Speaker 75 It was in a cake.

Speaker 73 Oh, right.

Speaker 28 It was in a cake.

Speaker 26 The box was a cake.

Speaker 18 And why would you you give somebody an engagement ring in a wedding cake?

Speaker 69 Yeah, it's confusing.

Speaker 56 The weird thing is...

Speaker 79 It's the cart for the horse.

Speaker 56 It's not supposed to look like an actual cake. It's just this weird figurine, this weird cake figurine.

Speaker 43 And correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 51 Right?

Speaker 18 Well, I thought it was supposed to look like a cake.

Speaker 28 Well, it...

Speaker 56 It looks like a cake, but it's like a precious moments figurine or something. It doesn't.

Speaker 40 No, it looks like...

Speaker 32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 56 It doesn't actually look like a cake.

Speaker 28 Oh, it does, though.

Speaker 18 Wait, what do you mean it doesn't just saw it?

Speaker 64 The scale. Thank you.

Speaker 56 If you saw it, you would not eat it.

Speaker 21 Right. Oh, no, no.

Speaker 84 It's in the shape of a cake.

Speaker 48 It's not, it doesn't, it's not like realistically a cake.

Speaker 84 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but it's in the shape of a cake.

Speaker 2 It's like a mini cake.

Speaker 56 Right, but I don't understand what world are we in in which you're handing someone that.

Speaker 18 Right, that's the same thing.

Speaker 56 If you're proposing and want to do a fun bit around, like, here's your dessert.

Speaker 34 it would have to look like a real flakes

Speaker 26 yes you would actually otherwise she's like what do you wait are you presuming that the reason it looks like a cake is because it was delivered during the dessert course of a meal why else would this engagement ring be i thought it was just like a fancy ring box no no

Speaker 18 this was the actual cake that was delivered

Speaker 47 um

Speaker 18 oh they went out they went all out on that one look like they didn't even go to the store to buy a cake from Gelson's. They just, someone in the back just slapped some stuff together.

Speaker 69 To be fair, that does look like the cake that that woman character would have made.

Speaker 35 Absolutely.

Speaker 79 I thought it was a great choice.

Speaker 45 By the way, it looks delicious.

Speaker 18 It looks so milty. By the way, I will say, what an odd birthday.
Ham in the afternoon.

Speaker 70 Disgusting.

Speaker 18 Just a giant ham. Afternoon ham.
Come over for some afternoon ham and cake.

Speaker 70 Gross.

Speaker 44 Can I ask a question too?

Speaker 85 Wasn't the engagement ring inside red?

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 28 Was it a giant ruby?

Speaker 74 Is that what we're to believe?

Speaker 54 And wasn't the cake brown?

Speaker 68 What's that? Yeah.

Speaker 54 The cake itself was brown, like an odd choice.

Speaker 18 An unfrosted wedding cake.

Speaker 69 Yeah, like it should have at least been white.

Speaker 18 Yeah, put some fondant on that.

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Speaker 18 But I mean,

Speaker 18 there is so much going on.

Speaker 18 I think the con is: go work for my brother, and then we'll get all that money from him. Because at the end, they get that suitcase full of money, and he gives it to everybody.

Speaker 18 Everyone seems to get a small stack, and then they keep the giant suitcase together.

Speaker 19 He's like, we split it.

Speaker 56 Right, but I guess my question is,

Speaker 56 why set him up to do that? Is there no other person?

Speaker 56 I just wasn't quite understanding.

Speaker 11 I think it felt like a long road.

Speaker 95 I suspect it was the presumption that James Coburn, the uncle, would probably welcome his nephew into his trust rather than if he tried to get Peter Fonda to go and get involved in James Coburn, the uncle's gang.

Speaker 56 So do you think, though, that there's any world in which he could have done that without faking his own death?

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 87 If he trusted trusted his son but he basically used he basically

Speaker 56 why not bring him into it yeah he didn't trust him he knows

Speaker 73 it

Speaker 18 well he seems so i think he did trust him but he needed to make the son really mournful because who knows who's watching him we don't he also like set him up so he didn't trust his acting yes yes

Speaker 18 By the way, can we talk about the best performance of the film, that opening scene where they're doing the Coke deal?

Speaker 18 Whoever's buying the cocaine is scooping it like that woman scoops dicks out of boxers.

Speaker 18 It is like, I've never seen anyone taste cocaine like,

Speaker 18 like he's throwing it in his mouth.

Speaker 31 I can see angels.

Speaker 29 I can see angels.

Speaker 72 Isn't it Michael Constantine?

Speaker 18 Is it? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 27 Yeah, it's Michael Constantine, the father from my big fat Greek wedding.

Speaker 26 I mean, as well as a million other great things.

Speaker 18 He sucks in that cocaine.

Speaker 48 Here it is like him just

Speaker 29 as if it perhaps is real cocaine.

Speaker 37 Just

Speaker 28 two

Speaker 18 fingers in his mouth.

Speaker 37 Also, two things.

Speaker 95 Hey, Chris, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 61 We did not get lights.

Speaker 88 We have two flashlights.

Speaker 31 Alright.

Speaker 44 Point one at each guy.

Speaker 28 We'll see what we can get.

Speaker 18 He thought it was film noir. You don't need lights.

Speaker 19 It's supposed to be dark.

Speaker 18 We haven't even gotten to.

Speaker 61 So much.

Speaker 30 I can't believe what time it is.

Speaker 18 I know. We maybe shouldn't have spent 20 minutes on the table.

Speaker 69 We did like the title, the cake.

Speaker 56 Okay, and I'm sorry to spend one more minute on the cake.

Speaker 69 But

Speaker 67 I have to.

Speaker 12 Can we find a picture of the cake?

Speaker 34 Yeah, find a picture of the cake, and I may need to see the cake scene.

Speaker 20 I don't know if I can.

Speaker 28 That's a big ass.

Speaker 56 Okay, don't worry about it. But I want a consensus up here at least.
So we all we all think that the cake was the presentation of an engagement ring. Correct.

Speaker 32 Wow, wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 34 That's so crazy.

Speaker 56 So in that presentation,

Speaker 64 he's just thinking, like, oh,

Speaker 56 here's your... Here's your engagement ring box, which is in a cake.

Speaker 29 I think James Cobra might have done one of these

Speaker 26 and opened the cake. box.

Speaker 69 No, he couldn't.

Speaker 79 It's a screw top.

Speaker 81 It was? Yeah, he screwed it.

Speaker 67 I noticed because I felt like the actor

Speaker 69 screwed it too much when he was screwing it up.

Speaker 56 So was he trying to hide it in the office so it was just it wouldn't look like an engagement ringbox? Because when I saw that, I would walk over to the ring.

Speaker 81 It was in a safe.

Speaker 65 Oh, is it in a safe?

Speaker 69 This is like when a director is directing a scene and the actor's like, I have to ask another question about it.

Speaker 56 I'm sorry, it's just a cake box that I'm so

Speaker 69 excited about.

Speaker 22 Why do I have to know about the cake box?

Speaker 25 Like, what is it to me?

Speaker 18 And if it's in the safe, why does it need to be in the cake box? Couldn't it just be in a

Speaker 42 thing seems to be

Speaker 72 that

Speaker 95 James Coburn, the uncle, had the cake box and the ring made for the woman that James Coburn, the father, then stole?

Speaker 18 Is that right? Right, because at one point, James Coburn, the uncle, says, You could have been my son, which isn't weird.

Speaker 71 That's not how it works.

Speaker 11 At all.

Speaker 81 That's not how that works.

Speaker 31 And keep in mind, that woman fucked twin brothers.

Speaker 32 And by the way,

Speaker 18 they had James Coburn, but yet that picture is the most Photoshop picture I've ever seen.

Speaker 18 It looks like one picture was taken in the 70s and one picture was taken in the late 80s, and both of the people who were in that picture were not looking at the camera.

Speaker 18 They're like veering off to the side.

Speaker 69 I thought he was pretty hot as the uncle.

Speaker 49 Oh, Uncle Lou?

Speaker 69 Yeah. The white hair.
Yep.

Speaker 32 Yeah, the white hair looked great on him.

Speaker 69 Yeah, it was better than the dark.

Speaker 72 And it was like California was treating Uncle Lou well.

Speaker 28 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 49 And Uncle Lou had found love.

Speaker 27 They were going to Tahiti.

Speaker 44 He had it made.

Speaker 20 Uncle Lou, though, spends a long period of time, because I get what they're trying to do.

Speaker 18 Not reveal his face, not reveal he's a twin. Although that's a big hole that you, your dad would never say, oh, yeah, my brother and I are twins.

Speaker 61 But whatever.

Speaker 48 So they have to hide his face.

Speaker 18 So he's like looking out the window for an exorbitantly long period of time. There's nothing going on.
He's like, Yes, so I'm glad you're here and

Speaker 18 think that that would be cool if we could talk about some stuff.

Speaker 28 And anyway, boom, boom, check it out.

Speaker 96 And that's where, like, there would be like a music sting to tell you something had happened, but it's just empty. It is the vacuum of space.

Speaker 56 Do you think there's any way he actually is his son?

Speaker 18 Wow, a lot of agreement, June.

Speaker 49 Okay, I'll go down this road.

Speaker 60 Because at the very end. So you think when she left with the father, she might have already been pregnant from Uncle Lou and...

Speaker 81 Potentially.

Speaker 56 Because there's a moment at the end when the carousel is going round and he's sort of like trying to figure out his relationship to his dad and it felt like the world was spinning.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 56 And

Speaker 56 especially because he said, you could have been my son. Well, there's no way he could be his son unless he actually could have been a son.

Speaker 18 Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. So he was right.

Speaker 18 If she stayed with me, you would have been mad.

Speaker 95 And what's interesting is that the movie creates a more compelling connection between Michael Bean and Uncle Lou.

Speaker 60 Uncle Lou's like, come to Tahiti with us.

Speaker 84 Come live with us. Come be with us.

Speaker 60 Be a family or whatever.

Speaker 18 On Uncle Lou's ticket that just says one way. I've never seen a ticket printed one way.

Speaker 60 And then his father comes in, kills Uncle Lou, and is like, fuck you.

Speaker 26 And his dad's basically like a full-on piece of shit.

Speaker 69 And his hair is like just hastily darkened with shoe polish.

Speaker 79 Again.

Speaker 35 And it's like glistening.

Speaker 69 It's glistening.

Speaker 18 Got invited to the gangster party. It's like, I really don't have anything.
And he was like, let's put some shoe polish in my hair. That's gangster, right?

Speaker 23 Vampire when he got dressed from the Tim Robinson sketch where he's got all those mafia pieces for that party.

Speaker 18 What about Charlie Sheen as the pool hustler fats?

Speaker 39 That was.

Speaker 26 I was like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 18 Yet another person that's revealed, like we said earlier, that everything.

Speaker 73 What's the actor's name?

Speaker 18 His name is, they call him Fats, but his name is Morgan Grip.

Speaker 28 Morgan Grip.

Speaker 69 I was imagining him having to rehearse that line. You can call me Fats.

Speaker 46 What? What?

Speaker 18 Hang on. Sausage.
Hang on.

Speaker 37 Sausage.

Speaker 69 Sausage. Sausage.

Speaker 65 Sausage.

Speaker 65 Sausage. Sausage.

Speaker 37 Sausage.

Speaker 63 Why are we saying sausage?

Speaker 18 Mark, do you know why they're saying sausage?

Speaker 23 Oh, his assistant is called sausage.

Speaker 80 Has this been worth it?

Speaker 61 Aren't you glad you

Speaker 23 browned this to a full halt just so we could figure it out?

Speaker 52 Was this a satisfying part of of the podcast?

Speaker 75 I hate you.

Speaker 47 So

Speaker 18 Charlie Sheen's introduced

Speaker 28 Morgan Grip.

Speaker 18 I don't even really understand where he falls into the world ultimately, but

Speaker 18 I really do think what I'd like to play is his monologue about Mark Twain,

Speaker 18 which we talked about a little bit, but here we go.

Speaker 18 Oh, by the way, when they're playing this pool scene, none of these shots are impressive to me, and I don't think that the never do you see like a ball go in.

Speaker 28 Oh, they're not playing

Speaker 27 pockets. They're playing like snooker or whatever.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 26 Snooker.

Speaker 23 What's it called? What is it?

Speaker 26 Billiard.

Speaker 18 Billiards?

Speaker 79 Sausage! Sausage.

Speaker 87 They're playing sausage.

Speaker 26 No, they're just playing a different pool game that doesn't have pockets.

Speaker 18 Okay, well, they're playing a pool right because he does reveal that table without without pockets.

Speaker 56 I didn't know there were pool games without pockets.

Speaker 69 Seems like there's no payoff.

Speaker 28 Each time you have to hit like both balls or something, you have to like so lame.

Speaker 18 You also need to explain that to the audience.

Speaker 18 Like, hey, the thing that you're so familiar with, it would be like if you did a bowling scene, but it was like, no, no, no, but you never put the ball on the alley.

Speaker 24 Because I was like, what am I watching?

Speaker 60 You know, it's just like the bowling we know, but there's no pins.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 43 You just roll a ball down a lane.

Speaker 26 And a score is given, because it's all geometry.

Speaker 18 I think this is the Mark Twain moment here.

Speaker 98 This was Sam's game.

Speaker 98 Samuel Langhorn Clemens.

Speaker 98 You know,

Speaker 5 Mark Twain.

Speaker 51 The genius behind Huck Finn,

Speaker 51 Tom Sawyer,

Speaker 98 personal favorite of

Speaker 18 And end of monologue.

Speaker 95 And we never, we never see him make a shot in the scene.

Speaker 85 Nope.

Speaker 88 Like we never see him and the shot in the same and the pool shot in the same camera shot.

Speaker 56 By the way, but what would the shot mean if we don't know even what the game is?

Speaker 5 I guess that's true.

Speaker 18 By the way, I just think it's funny to refer to an author as the genius behind because it's like you can say that, but like when you see something where you don't, with a genius, it's not certainly clear.

Speaker 48 It's like, oh, yeah, he's the genius behind that movie.

Speaker 18 But you know, the author of the book. He wasn't like.

Speaker 28 He's the guy that brought you

Speaker 31 Tom Sawyer.

Speaker 12 And the guy behind Huck Finn.

Speaker 18 Behind Huck Finn leads you to believe that there are other people that also executed it as well.

Speaker 56 That's the only scene with any music in the background.

Speaker 56 Shocked me.

Speaker 18 Oh, my gosh. And then Charlie Sheen works for a man who has a lobster claw for a hand.

Speaker 28 What was this?

Speaker 44 What was this?

Speaker 51 What was...

Speaker 35 What was this?

Speaker 40 That guy. Here's the thing.

Speaker 95 That guy and Nicholas Cage are in the same movie.

Speaker 25 That's true. These guys

Speaker 27 in Rosencrantz and Gildenstern are dead other movie somewhere where they're fucking linked up.

Speaker 96 It's called Eddie and the Claw.

Speaker 28 And like,

Speaker 24 coming out 2020.

Speaker 18 Coming out 2020, they've both finally got the fucking movie. This is like a Dr.

Speaker 92 Evil setup right here.

Speaker 18 Another guy shot in a black room. There's a lot of black rooms in this movie.
We don't understand.

Speaker 19 Do we understand why he has the claw hand?

Speaker 96 Nor does he ever really use use it.

Speaker 38 Just to

Speaker 18 touch things in a weird way.

Speaker 69 It's like he could use his other hand. Yeah.

Speaker 18 But he's selfish and he doesn't want to learn how to use it.

Speaker 84 But if you're going to give someone a claw for a hand and he never clip, like,

Speaker 59 chops anything with it,

Speaker 97 knowing the point.

Speaker 71 This is Chekhov's claw.

Speaker 28 Like, let's do this.

Speaker 54 No.

Speaker 56 I did think he was going to pick up a diamond with it, but he didn't use it to pick up the diamonds.

Speaker 27 And also, for a man like this who appears to be a diamond buyer, seller, something like that, why does he need to have like a vicious claw?

Speaker 41 I mean, we're in a world.

Speaker 60 Put a loop on the end so you can look at diamonds with your hand.

Speaker 86 I mean, that's your repetitive motion.

Speaker 56 Right, you're saying if there's nothing there,

Speaker 56 if you don't have

Speaker 28 no hand.

Speaker 21 If you have no, ironically, he never chops a hand off, but I guess you can't.

Speaker 56 So you're saying just put like a giant magnifying glass off?

Speaker 65 Yes. I mean, that's part.

Speaker 62 That's

Speaker 39 of the uses the most

Speaker 18 because when he has to look through the loop, his partner or his henchman has to hold the loop up to his eyes and he's got to like look at it.

Speaker 74 Because to do his work, his claw hand is obsolete.

Speaker 64 It's a metaphor for the movie plot, like overcomplicated, unnecessary.

Speaker 18 But we've all been in that thing where your doctor says, hey, you lost your hand, you want the claw hand, and you think, that would be so cool.

Speaker 85 And only when you get home, you're like, I should have just gone for the normal hand yeah guaranteed middle of this is one of those scenarios where in the middle of the night you're half asleep you full on chop your own dick off

Speaker 87 because you just go to hold it with the wrong hand and it's like

Speaker 87 chop chop chop see you later

Speaker 18 oh my gosh this scene leads into my favorite scene of the movie which is the gangsters getting ready around a table as the camera spins and holy shit you want to talk about some acting every actor when that camera's on them they are giving they are giving everything they're giving their lives this is it they're giving their whole lives

Speaker 18 that scene i mean that scene was

Speaker 56 masterful why does that woman have two long nails

Speaker 49 They look like coke nails.

Speaker 35 Oh, it's they're probably for head scratching.

Speaker 56 I guess I've never seen cocaine nails. I've never seen

Speaker 56 two together.

Speaker 56 Isn't it just you have one cocaine nail? I mean,

Speaker 80 maybe one is for, like, maybe it's like one is for cocaine and one is for some other snortable drug.

Speaker 32 Maybe.

Speaker 18 What if, you know, she gets her hand chopped off like her boyfriend, and she's like, shit, I want to get a claw hand, but I also don't want to stop doing cocaine. So

Speaker 21 I know what it is.

Speaker 23 I bet all the nails were that long, but her boyfriend chopped off a bunch of them accidentally.

Speaker 18 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 25 This is

Speaker 28 This was a wild ride, this movie.

Speaker 36 I enjoyed

Speaker 96 the abject nonsense of this trash.

Speaker 69 What's crazy is the other dead fall

Speaker 69 the central relationship has

Speaker 69 a theme of incest and it still had a lot more dignity.

Speaker 21 Now we have to do it because that seems to be a theme in a lot of our movies.

Speaker 56 Could I ask Chelsea, what is the deadfall in the other movie?

Speaker 62 No idea. No idea.

Speaker 24 The treatise is probably treated.

Speaker 69 Much like this one, I was tuned out for much of it.

Speaker 18 Let's go to the crowd. Let's see what you all have to say about this movie.

Speaker 21 All right.

Speaker 18 I'm going to ask you all to do it in your best Nicholas Cage and Deadfall voice. I won't take a no.
You got to present. And look, just you know, Nicholas Cage just gives an A for efforts.

Speaker 18 That's all we're looking for. A for effort.
All right, all right. So, this person

Speaker 18 has a question.

Speaker 18 I don't know if it's going to be good. All right, here we go.

Speaker 18 This is my spidey sense of doing this show live a bunch of times. Ma'am, your name in the best Nick Cage, and then your question.

Speaker 56 My name is Annabelle. Bullshit, bullshit,

Speaker 67 any hoodles.

Speaker 100 My question is for you, darling June.

Speaker 100 The The murder scene in the vat of boiling oil is so violent and so disgusting.

Speaker 100 How did you like justify that in your brains?

Speaker 56 I don't know.

Speaker 100 That was so gross and horrible.

Speaker 93 Like, wasn't that scary to everybody?

Speaker 100 And he ripped the wig off first.

Speaker 67 Like, why?

Speaker 93 Like, why did that happen?

Speaker 67 And, like, did he ingest the boiling oil into his thing?

Speaker 46 What happened?

Speaker 81 Like, it's so scary.

Speaker 56 These are all things that my spider senses never roll.

Speaker 55 Up to the balcony.

Speaker 26 I don't know.

Speaker 95 I found that scene to

Speaker 29 be

Speaker 22 erotic.

Speaker 22 Oh,

Speaker 56 that's so concerning.

Speaker 68 All right, I am all.

Speaker 32 Be careful.

Speaker 102 Be careful in there.

Speaker 33 Where?

Speaker 18 Great. Front row here in the balcony.
All right, sir. Your name and the best Nick Cage voice and your question.
Let's go. Come on down to me.
All right.

Speaker 20 Hi, my name's Casey.

Speaker 61 Pressure's going to be really bad, but...

Speaker 56 Yeah, we are secret protectors.

Speaker 75 What's happening?

Speaker 18 I'm walking away. I'm walking away.
I'm so confused.

Speaker 67 Just be careful, Paul.

Speaker 73 Forget about it, Paul.

Speaker 18 I thought I was this out of breath from running up all those stairs, but then I was like, this is making sense. Oh, you got to remember to be a little bit more.

Speaker 61 You got to give them an eyeball.

Speaker 18 We have one final question from a woman who is...

Speaker 78 Where are you?

Speaker 80 You have to let this woman ask a question.

Speaker 71 That's who I'm going to. Okay.

Speaker 18 That's who I'm going to.

Speaker 18 She was going to be my final one. I knew there was one person to pull us out of this.

Speaker 80 I want to say, ma'am, you have been jumping up and down, yelling and screaming.

Speaker 60 I want you to really right now examine, is this worth it?

Speaker 79 It's worth it.

Speaker 18 There's absolutely no way we're gonna do something a little bit different tonight tonight we're only gonna take one question from the audience ma'am

Speaker 18 say your name in the best nicholas cage voice and ask your question

Speaker 2 my name's jacqueline

Speaker 2 okay so my question is this i was so sad when he died 45 minutes into the movie. I thought that there were going to be another Nicholas Cage twin coming into the movie.

Speaker 2 Like, was that something that you guys would totally be down with? Like, he died out way early on.

Speaker 52 I'm not going to lie, you burned 700 calories jumping up and down to ask that question.

Speaker 56 I mean, even when Paul was walking toward you, you didn't stop jumping up.

Speaker 57 So, the question, the question is, would you be in a movie where there are twins?

Speaker 38 Did we think part of the reveal would be another set of twins?

Speaker 43 No.

Speaker 87 I feel comfortable saying, no, I did not.

Speaker 69 No, it wasn't even that. She asked if we would be down with that.

Speaker 2 Would we be down with

Speaker 69 another twin

Speaker 81 that was already made?

Speaker 41 I feel comfortable saying, no, I would not like it.

Speaker 32 I mean,

Speaker 56 I would be down with it, sure.

Speaker 74 Well, because of time, we weren't able to go to the audience for questions.

Speaker 87 Let's get right down to second opinions.

Speaker 18 That's right. We have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion.
It is now time for second opinions.

Speaker 101 Yo, I got a second opinion, and I'm so glad that you're here. And I just finished this movie, and that was touching my spirit so much.

Speaker 101 I had to hop on Amazon.com just to let you people know that this movie's the bomb.

Speaker 101 I watch this movie every night with my family and friends, and then I wait for them to leave, and then I watch it again.

Speaker 101 Top to bottom, crazy movies are fun, but I think that thought was lost on everyone. Yo, ignore the reviews.
Movie critics are ruthless. Worst of them all, June Paul and Mazukas.
Just stop it.

Speaker 101 You're so caught up looking for logic. Characters and plot, man, all of it's toxic.
I'm hype and I'm lit, cause the splick is the shit. I'd give this movie five stars.

Speaker 20 If I could, I'd give it six. Whoa, amazing.

Speaker 18 Give it up for Tony. Holy shit, that was amazing.

Speaker 45 Here we go.

Speaker 18 LA may not be the place for questions, but it is the place for song.

Speaker 18 Here we go. Now it's time for second opinions.

Speaker 103 That is his mom.

Speaker 103 Oedipus complex.

Speaker 103 Why is the O silent?

Speaker 69 Why did they have slow

Speaker 103 sex?

Speaker 69 Second opinions.

Speaker 103 I don't know why you'd have them.

Speaker 69 The plot is a turducken.

Speaker 71 Three coppolas

Speaker 66 fuck them

Speaker 69 when your dad falls

Speaker 29 in his locker.

Speaker 103 Find your uncle,

Speaker 103 run a con

Speaker 103 together. Mickey Dolans

Speaker 69 is a bad guy.

Speaker 69 You may ask why

Speaker 103 he is not a monkey on deadfall

Speaker 103 on Deadfall

Speaker 103 Genevieve!

Speaker 18 There you go, thank you, Genevieve. What did I tell you?

Speaker 18 Spidey sense

Speaker 18 Genevieve, that was fantastic.

Speaker 19 Okay,

Speaker 18 42 reviews for Deadfall on Amazon in total. It's a very low number.

Speaker 18 It averages 3.6 out of 5 stars. There are

Speaker 18 36% are five-star reviews. I'll say this much.
The five-star reviews are in on it for the most part in these.

Speaker 20 So this one is

Speaker 18 written by Pro-Izzel.

Speaker 18 And Pro-Izzel writes in December 17th, 2016, dude, this movie is so entertaining.

Speaker 59 Not for those easily insulted.

Speaker 18 Five stars.

Speaker 31 Insulted?

Speaker 69 Like, insulted by bad filmmaking.

Speaker 18 Michelle Huss in February 2015 said, to give the story the right number of stars, for the cheesy feel to the movie, minus two stars. I do mean cheesy.

Speaker 18 For more twists in the storyline than balloon animals at the fair, three stars. So now we're at one star.

Speaker 18 For the not obvious clues I saw after the fact I felt like an idiot, two stars. Now we're at three stars.

Speaker 35 The best part of the whole movie, Nicholas Cage, five stars.

Speaker 18 Eight stars.

Speaker 18 That is it. Five out of five.

Speaker 20 And then that's like that new math.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 18 That's what Terrence Howard invented, right?

Speaker 20 All right, so this one is

Speaker 18 Okay,

Speaker 18 okay, this was a good one from Dakota watched it until Cage dies

Speaker 18 Up until that point, it was amazing five stars

Speaker 26 I Will say once he's gone it is a word a much worse movie.

Speaker 56 Yeah, so it sounds like you would be down for a twin

Speaker 85 I mean, I guess I've seen him do it in adaptation, so I guess I can see it being done.

Speaker 23 I guess I'd be down with it.

Speaker 18 And finally, we end on...

Speaker 18 And finally, we end on Gordon New, who writes, the dark scenes are blacker than noir, and the dialogue is riper than pulp fiction. Kig's character is original.

Speaker 18 His calculated overacting is as fine as parody as I've ever seen. He put some thought into the role and did a far better job than most of his work requires.

Speaker 18 The The obligatory intrigue is masterfully done. The dramatic cinematography is magnificent.
The musical score is straight out of history.

Speaker 95 The plot has more twists.

Speaker 51 Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 38 The musical score was straight out of history?

Speaker 18 Out of history.

Speaker 37 What does that mean?

Speaker 40 What is that? Straight out of history?

Speaker 18 I thought this is a facetious review, but I don't think it is.

Speaker 38 The musical score was straight out of history.

Speaker 18 And the plot has more twists than my grandma's pretzels.

Speaker 18 Well acted, well produced, and well edited. Enjoyable on so many levels.
Five stars. Wonderful movie.

Speaker 71 Wait, was that from Paul Wetzel?

Speaker 18 I was going to say it was.

Speaker 18 I didn't know how to correlate it to Aunt Annie.

Speaker 28 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 This movie came out in 1993. The budget was.

Speaker 18 Anyone want to take a guess at that budget?

Speaker 18 $10 million.

Speaker 18 $10 million.

Speaker 18 Where?

Speaker 28 Where?

Speaker 18 $10 million.

Speaker 18 And the opening weekend gross was

Speaker 18 $9,183.

Speaker 28 The

Speaker 18 domestic gross was $18,369.

Speaker 69 And how is there a sequel? How did they get a sequel?

Speaker 18 That's crazy. I think that Nicholas K just said he wanted to do it.
It ranked 252 out of all the movies that came out in 1993. To give you an idea of what was coming out in 1993, Jurassic Park, Mrs.

Speaker 18 Doubtfire, The Fugitive. This movie was beaten by Demolition Man, Super Mario Bros., Body of Evidence, Surf Ninjas, Mr.
Nanny, and Airborne.

Speaker 18 And there were only seven movies made in 1993 that made less money than Deadfall.

Speaker 18 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 18 And we thank our producer, Avril Halley, for bringing this movie to our attention.

Speaker 19 Holy cow.

Speaker 18 And before we leave, I want to just. Avril made this.
It's a mashup of all the VO in the movie.

Speaker 32 I won't play the whole thing.

Speaker 23 My favorite line was: The Coast was alive, but I had no time for the sights.

Speaker 74 The Coast Was alive?

Speaker 18 This is just the VO all cut together. I'll just play a little bit of it and we'll put this up online.
So here we go.

Speaker 104 Secret, I swear I'd uncover. The coast was alive, but I had no time for the sights.
I was looking for something to tip me off. A break in the routine, a place to start to hunt.

Speaker 104 It looked like I had to pay my dues by wilding, Duncan Lou's flunky.

Speaker 58 This fucking fucker fucked!

Speaker 104 Well, at least he was a lively fellow. Shape the con, or it'll shape you, Pop would say.
Wise words, my new friend Eddie, never learned.

Speaker 104 He was the type of of badass bluff man that was stuck on the high you get from the con.

Speaker 104 And that's bad news. Eddie was kid stuff.
Lou was the real deal. He was as clever as Pop, a true pro of the high con.

Speaker 104 I saw that right away.

Speaker 82 And yet.

Speaker 18 Just a little taste of just all the VO mashed up.

Speaker 23 I would love it if someone would just cut together all of the Nicholas Cage lines.

Speaker 57 I would watch that like...

Speaker 18 I mean, it's here.

Speaker 18 It is here, right? I think when I just googled it, it just popped up. It just says, like,

Speaker 18 yeah, honoring the craziest performance in the city. Oh, great.

Speaker 18 I mean, we don't have time to watch that.

Speaker 28 Is this exists?

Speaker 18 Watch it at your leisure. It's seven minutes.

Speaker 39 This audience is insane.

Speaker 39 All right.

Speaker 18 Thank you, LA. You have been a fantastic crowd.

Speaker 1 All right, and that was us live from the Wiltern. A big thank you to Chelsea Peretti, who is just fantastic.
We were so excited to have her back.

Speaker 1 A big thank you to our producer, Averill Halley, for cutting these clips and finding these movies. Nate Kylie for doing all of our research.

Speaker 1 Devin, who is here in The Will Turn with us, Cody Fisher, our other producer, everybody at Earwolf. Also, Kyle Waldron for doing our amazing artwork that you see on our Instagram and Facebook page.

Speaker 1 And by the way, follow us all on the social media. We love that.
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