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Speaker 3 What if a creepy stalker got a second chance to be a creep?

Speaker 3 We saw my boyfriends back, so you know what that means.

Speaker 3 his belly like a rosto that squat ribbon justin and kelly a baby see a burless show with that crow and take a bow with ski to hitting cruise control J-Lin, big ball and the beautiful June when they take you from the pool all the way to room Rainin' games a street fighter helps to pour off steam Just to suck a punch the hard life of Tiffany Breed Y'all's birthday how he's staying alive They call me when they're badass and he's on the line Crank the night for eight minutes cause they cool as ice Cause the bad Jim Varney looking kind and nice All the through is getting literal.

Speaker 3 Jason is getting lame. Julius making sure all the monkey shots in the pain.
They're just a bunch of movies while they make it in the grave. Here's a real question for you.
Out of this kid, pain.

Speaker 3 Hello, people of Earth.

Speaker 3 Hello, people of

Speaker 3 Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 We are live at Largo for our Halloween special, the hauntingly scary.

Speaker 3 My boyfriend's back.

Speaker 3 My boyfriend's back.

Speaker 3 Directed by the same person who wrote Gosford Park.

Speaker 3 That's right, Bob Balaban.

Speaker 3 Bob Balaban, Phoebe's dad from Friends.

Speaker 3 Bob Balaban, the man who played Warren Littlefield on Seinfeld.

Speaker 4 Bob Balaban.

Speaker 3 made this movie and boy oh boy I think it saves it I think that in other

Speaker 3 people's hands, it would have been worse, but it's also not great.

Speaker 3 Now, if you're wondering, what is my boyfriend's back? What? Somebody's boyfriend comes back? Well, no.

Speaker 3 IMDb describes this film as a teenage boy comes back from the dead because he is determined to win the most beautiful girl in the school. Okay, sure, I guess.

Speaker 3 That's kind of like, you know, you're kind of burying some parts of the story in there, whitewashing it, if you will.

Speaker 3 We're going to get into it. We're going to get into this film that is not even an hour and 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 A movie that has a 13%

Speaker 4 on the tomato meter.

Speaker 3 A movie that cost $12 million

Speaker 3 and on opening weekend made $1.4 million.

Speaker 3 Oh, yes, there is so much to discuss in tonight's film, but I need my co-host. So please welcome to the stage, Mr.
Jason Manzugas.

Speaker 4 What's up, jerks?

Speaker 4 Let's go, Largo.

Speaker 4 Yeah!

Speaker 4 Oh, boy, Paul, I'm going to answer your last question first. I 100% recommend this movie.
There it is. There.

Speaker 4 Maybe it's just

Speaker 4 the harsh reality of John Carpenter's The Ghosts of Mars last night. Sure.

Speaker 4 This today was like a warm bath.

Speaker 4 I

Speaker 4 lived it.

Speaker 3 Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 I'll answer the last question first as well. I also recommend it.
I don't know if I liked it.

Speaker 4 Oh, I thought it was great. I had that thing happen that every once in a while happens with the movies that we do, which is I found myself not taking notes, just enjoying the movie.

Speaker 4 Every now and then. Every now and then I get sucked in and I'm like, Austin Pendleton?

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 And then I look and I haven't made a note in like 10 minutes.

Speaker 3 Well, I felt the same way. I feel the same way I feel like if I was watching a child do, you know, a play at a school.

Speaker 4 What are you watching a child do? A play at school? Okay.

Speaker 3 I have children.

Speaker 4 I'm not going and watching other children. Will you let me meet them? Please let me meet them.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 I will say.

Speaker 4 You will meet your kids.

Speaker 4 Someday I'm going to meet your kids and someday I'm going to meet your wife. No.

Speaker 3 Neither. Neither.

Speaker 3 Jason,

Speaker 3 you

Speaker 3 are better at this than most. What year do you think this movie came out? Boy, oh boy.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say this movie came out in 1987. Great, great guess.

Speaker 3 We'll hold the answer on that for just a second.

Speaker 4 God, I fucked up with this last night, too.

Speaker 3 And let me introduce to you my other co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Miss June Diane Raphael.

Speaker 2 Nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 Welcome, June.

Speaker 1 How are you?

Speaker 4 I'm okay.

Speaker 2 How are you, Paul?

Speaker 3 I'm well. I'm well.
June, well, because we started the episode answering the last question first.

Speaker 3 Do you recommend this movie?

Speaker 2 I don't know why we're doing this.

Speaker 4 I'm happy to talk about it. What are we going to do next? Teen Wolf?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 Another fucking classic Detroit movie.

Speaker 2 Why didn't I see this movie sooner? Where has it been?

Speaker 4 My life would be so much different if I'd seen this movie.

Speaker 2 And why are, honestly, why aren't we making more movies like this? Yes.

Speaker 4 How is there not teen movies now that aren't about like, oh no,

Speaker 4 twin brothers both want to fuck me or whatever all of these teen shows are? There's multiple teen shows in which brothers are

Speaker 4 battling it out. Some are actually pretty hard.

Speaker 3 And the thing is, if this was the final season of Euphoria, I would be thrilled.

Speaker 2 I just like a strong comedic premise where everybody knows what world they're in. And the joke, I got to say, now maybe I'm in a weird mental space, you know?

Speaker 2 But I have to say, the jokes never got old to me.

Speaker 4 Every time someone's like, every time you wanted to take a bite out of someone, I was like, yes.

Speaker 3 I got some. I have some small notes, but before we even get into that, June, I want to ask you this question.
I know you hate being put on the spot, but what year do you think this movie came out?

Speaker 2 This movie came out. Well, I'm just going to base this on Philip Seymour Hoffman's career.

Speaker 2 And I believe there's also, there's a cameo from Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 4 I think this is.

Speaker 4 He has two lines in the movie.

Speaker 4 Also, cut out Renee Zellweger.

Speaker 3 She's in the beauty salon scene. So this movie.

Speaker 4 My guess is this movie shot in Texas?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 4 Okay. That makes sense because those are all local hires.
Yes.

Speaker 3 June, what year?

Speaker 2 Okay, so I'm putting that together. Carry the one.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say this movie came out in 1988.

Speaker 3 Great. All right, and Jason, you said.

Speaker 4 I believe I said 87.

Speaker 3 And the year is

Speaker 3 1993.

Speaker 4 1993.

Speaker 4 How? 1993.

Speaker 4 There's language on a shelf.

Speaker 2 Jason, what I'm really, I'm actually worried. I'm worried because I do believe you and I have lost a decade of our lives.

Speaker 4 I believe we may suffer from time blindness.

Speaker 3 I will say that this year, 1993, was peak zom-com time

Speaker 3 because these are the other movies in 93 that came out. Zombie Bloodbath, Weekend at Bernie's 2, Return of the Living Dead 3, Ghost Brigade, Ed.

Speaker 3 Ghost Brigade. I don't know.
Ed and his dead mother.

Speaker 4 I think there's a zombie movie called Ghost Brigade?

Speaker 3 Well, I guess maybe they run into zombies.

Speaker 4 I'm so curious about, we gotta do Ghost Brigade.

Speaker 3 I'm ready for it.

Speaker 4 I think that's clear.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, different.

Speaker 3 It definitely hit differently in 1993. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm sure we don't know, but some nerd will tell me. What year did Teen Wolf come out?

Speaker 3 Teen Wolf came out the year before Back to the Future because he shot that first. So Back to the Future is 85.
It's the 40th anniversary.

Speaker 4 This movie seems like it's basically Teen Wolf, but with what if instead of the puberty allegory being werewolfism, it is zombieism, right? Yeah, it's still a lot of the same games are being played.

Speaker 4 Everybody's normalizing their zombie immediately.

Speaker 3 But I also feel like Teen Wolf, I mean, dare I say a better film.

Speaker 3 A movie that I also.

Speaker 4 He said it. I can't believe he said it.
I mean, I can't believe he said it's a Teen Wolf is a better film.

Speaker 4 Pretty good.

Speaker 3 I will say that.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, this is going to be weird and you're not.

Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 3 Well, what do I have to hide? Say it. When I watched Keen Wolf as a child, I had it on VHS because I taped it off of whatever.
You know, it was illegal. I wasn't doing it illegally.

Speaker 3 And there was a moment where he was like getting intimate with his girlfriend, Michael J. Fox.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he said, tickle my paws like and was like that was like a thing like tickle my paws like he's like you know sexual thing

Speaker 3 but i thought that was a cue to the home viewing audience to hit pause to potentially see some nudity.

Speaker 4 You thought that up yourself?

Speaker 4 You invented, so you thought that maybe movies were giving you subtle clues?

Speaker 4 Had this worked before?

Speaker 3 So in my mind, in my mind, I never heard the line so clearly. I never heard tickle my paws.
I just kind of heard, like, in my mind, I might have heard, like, hit pause. And I was like, and I thought.

Speaker 4 And my mind immediately went to, if I hit it, I get to see nudity.

Speaker 3 Because I knew it was like a sexy scene, and I was like, ooh, maybe they would shoot like a holy shit.

Speaker 4 That's awesome.

Speaker 3 I've never shared that with anyone.

Speaker 4 But the only somehow.

Speaker 4 But it's, it's that. Did you want to announce the next book?

Speaker 2 I know. It's a sexy.

Speaker 2 Were you always looking for your lead actors and protagonists to speak to you,

Speaker 2 the viewer.

Speaker 4 I understand, I completely understand the overwhelming desire to see nudity. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that you're looking for any way that it might be able to happen. That's why you would watch a scrambled cable channel

Speaker 4 just for every 10 minutes.

Speaker 3 Play with that dial.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Every 10 minutes you get 30 seconds of a boob or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But thinking that the movie was telling you.

Speaker 3 Hip pause.

Speaker 3 Hip pause. It It was.

Speaker 2 And did you? Well, obviously, I mean, did you see anything?

Speaker 4 No. Was it speaking?

Speaker 3 No, because I thought I wasn't hitting it at the right time.

Speaker 4 How long did you spend?

Speaker 3 A lot. I was like, maybe.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 And then many years later, I found that the line was, tickle my paws. And I was like, ah, he wasn't saying, please hit pause.

Speaker 4 I mean, this is.

Speaker 3 I'll tell you two things of why I thought that could work.

Speaker 4 One, number one,

Speaker 3 first piece of evidence. When I was a child, there was a clue VHS game.
Okay, so you would put the VHS tape in there and you would play the board game.

Speaker 3 And they're like, fast forward to minute two, seven, seven. And

Speaker 3 that's not a thing that could exist. Two, four, seven.
And I'd do it.

Speaker 4 And you'd watch something like, oh, good job there, Mike.

Speaker 3 You did the thing. And they're like, oh, great.
So I thought, okay, maybe all VHS.

Speaker 4 Who's Colonel Mustard? Who's the Darby of this game?

Speaker 3 Like Jumanji. So I thought there was like, you know,

Speaker 2 you had been primed to, yeah.

Speaker 2 And then to be an interactive viewer.

Speaker 4 From a Clue VHS video game. This is a movie he taped himself off of cable.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 3 I'm going to give you the two other.

Speaker 4 You're trying too hard to get this, okay? To normalize this behavior.

Speaker 3 I'm going to give you the two other things.

Speaker 3 The other thing was that my parents were at a certain point born-again Christians, and they were like, There's a lot of backward masking on albums.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, so you know, you'd play it backwards, like, salute the devil, you know, not salute, but you know, you get it

Speaker 4 because

Speaker 4 he's the commander-in-chief, so you gotta.

Speaker 4 Oh, hail!

Speaker 4 Oh, hail the devil!

Speaker 4 Oh, hail the devil.

Speaker 4 I'd love to know what song

Speaker 4 in reverse plays Hail to the chief.

Speaker 4 And has the lyrics salute the devil. Holy cow.
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 How are these new stories? How is it possible there are new stories?

Speaker 3 So then...

Speaker 4 Here's what I promise to you, the audience. We won't stop this podcast until Paul runs out of childhood stories.
It's not movies. It's not even our desire to do it anymore.

Speaker 4 It's so that we can get these stories to you, so that we can do things that provoke Paul's memory.

Speaker 3 Well, that was what a lot of people said about my book. They're like, wow, you didn't even share the stories that you share in the podcast.

Speaker 3 We thought it would just be the stories from the podcast, but no, I forgot those. I'm just telling new ones.

Speaker 3 And then the final thing that made me think think that there could be this

Speaker 3 wait what there was a there was a kid in my class

Speaker 3 I believe his name was Brian Orlando and Brian Orlando told me that his dad had a device that was like a remote control so if you were watching like a shampoo commercial with an attractive woman in it you could take the device and then put the joystick down and then see naked people in the commercial.

Speaker 2 Naked people, that woman naked or just unknown?

Speaker 4 That That woman.

Speaker 3 Okay. So it would be.

Speaker 4 I need to get in touch with Brian Orlando because,

Speaker 4 and hear me out, if this tech exists

Speaker 4 and I'm only just hearing about it,

Speaker 4 okay,

Speaker 4 okay, Orlando.

Speaker 3 So just so you know, I'm coming in hot with a remote control device, clue the video game, and backward masking.

Speaker 3 I thought that Gene Wolf, because it was a PG-13 movie, was sending me a little signal to see Boof naked.

Speaker 4 Wow, wow.

Speaker 4 Tickle all that from Tickle My Paws. Tickle my paws.

Speaker 4 We got all of that from Tickle Major My Paws. Well, I didn't want you to think I was a weirdo pervert.
We do.

Speaker 4 We do think that anyway.

Speaker 2 It's like they say now boys see pornography by the age of 10 and it's so disturbing, but then I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's better.

Speaker 4 It doesn't matter. At least they get to see it.

Speaker 4 Think of the hours they're not spending doing whatever this nonsense was.

Speaker 4 You could have learned to play guitar. Nope.

Speaker 2 Maybe just show it to them, you know.

Speaker 3 By the way, I will say that scene where.

Speaker 4 These are boobs, don't waste your time. They'll be there later.

Speaker 3 I will say that that scene where she is

Speaker 3 saying, Tickle My Paws, they're fully dressed in a high school hallway.

Speaker 3 So it would have to be like a real insert shop.

Speaker 4 You must have lived in a world in which

Speaker 4 hitting pause on anything

Speaker 4 might reveal nudity. Oh my gosh.
And what's really like, I mean,

Speaker 2 what's actually breaking my heart is the moment you must have realized, like, it's not fair.

Speaker 4 No, like, it's just not fair. I'll be honest, I don't know that he's given up hope.

Speaker 4 He's still, he still seems to think he just didn't pause it in the the right place well now I got the 4k steel book and

Speaker 3 and now I think I can get to the bottom of it you don't even want to know how I dealt with like I when I finally got my hands on a Playboy magazine I was so nervous that I was gonna get busted that I cut out the the pictures that I thought were choice

Speaker 4 word choice

Speaker 4 I want to be very clear. That's a word I guarantee Paul has not used since he was a teenager.
True. That's not a word we use anymore to describe hot women.
As a matter of fact, she's choice.

Speaker 3 As a matter of fact, I think it's a term they used in Teen Wolf.

Speaker 4 Is it?

Speaker 3 I think it is. I think Styles used to be.
Holy shit. So I cut out these pictures, and then I was like, I can never get busted with this.

Speaker 4 Again, a new story is being. Do you know how lucky you are to be here tonight?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Do you mean you cut them out like in a square or like did you cut out the whole?

Speaker 4 Such a good question. So for a collage or for just pages?

Speaker 3 So great question, great question.

Speaker 3 Great question.

Speaker 4 Wow, those legs are spread.

Speaker 3 I cut them out to be slightly smaller than a magazine page. So

Speaker 3 I was cropping slightly.

Speaker 2 Why not just rip it out?

Speaker 3 Well, hold on. I'll tell you, June.

Speaker 3 And then I got

Speaker 3 an old hunting and fishing magazine.

Speaker 3 And then I

Speaker 3 inserted those nude pages throughout.

Speaker 4 Did you own the hunting and fishing magazine? Or did you go and buy that specifically for subterfuge?

Speaker 3 Well, I had like, there were a collection of hunting and fishing magazines in my house.

Speaker 4 How old were you at this point?

Speaker 3 Guess. I mean, guesstimate.

Speaker 4 Like fifth grade.

Speaker 3 Okay, okay, okay. And

Speaker 3 so then I would keep that in like my magazine rack in my room that was next to my lazy boy. I did have a lazy boy in my room.
And

Speaker 4 you were a real

Speaker 4 Martin Crane as a child.

Speaker 3 So it was next to my lazy boy. And so then I knew that I could keep it there.
No one was ever going to look at this old hunting and fishing magazine that outdated info.

Speaker 3 So, so if I wanted to look at it, I could go to page 35, 72, and I could move around and I'd have my pictures locked in there.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 This is next level.

Speaker 4 Yeah. This is incredible stuff.

Speaker 4 But that just, I just do, because we do have younger listeners. Yes.

Speaker 4 These are the lengths that we had to go to in effort to see nudity and be titillated. We couldn't just be like, look at any random thing online.

Speaker 3 No, I had to make sure I was cutting and pasting. And did you using that?

Speaker 2 I'm just curious, did you try to integrate these choice women into the hunting and fishing tableaus at all? Or

Speaker 2 was it just like the page on the page?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was,

Speaker 3 unfortunately, it was not that thought out. I just kind of, I found areas where I felt like, you know, maybe the reader would be done with that story and then I would hop down.

Speaker 4 Got it.

Speaker 3 So yeah, because I wouldn't, I would never want someone to find it and be like, oh, what is going on in the world of hunting and fishing? And then be mid-story and be like, whoa.

Speaker 3 And so, yeah, so I did take that hunting and fishing magazine upstairs because I thought that no one was, really I was worried about my mom was going to find it.

Speaker 3 I don't think my mom was going to be afraid of it.

Speaker 4 And never,

Speaker 4 you were never, your secret was never revealed? No. Okay.

Speaker 3 She only got mad at me once for seeing that I took a Victoria's Secrets catalog up to my room before it got to like the kitchen nail slot.

Speaker 4 It went straight into the hunting and fishing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I brought it up.

Speaker 4 It's like, don't worry. I only cut out Elle McPherson.

Speaker 4 She's the most choice woman in this Victoria's Secret. Oh, no, that was me.
That was the swimsuit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the swimsuit.

Speaker 3 I also McPherson, not Victoria's Secret.

Speaker 4 Holy cow. So we did it.

Speaker 4 Is the show over?

Speaker 2 I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 4 I feel like I went into a fugue state about one hour ago.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 1 On November 14th, the Now You See Me movie franchise is back. The four horsemen of magic, Jesse Eisenberg, Woody Harrelson, Dave Franco, and Isla Fisher are reuniting for their biggest heist yet.

Speaker 1 This film delivers everything fans want. Surprises, stunning practical magic, and a few twists.
It's the most fun your whole family will have in the theater this fall. Now you see me, now you don't.

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Speaker 3 So, what I'll say about this movie is the title is

Speaker 3 misleading. The title is a little bit misleading.
My boyfriend's back. He is not her boyfriend.

Speaker 3 I would say, and this is the thing that bothers me. Like, I am on board for this movie, but he is a straight-up creepo.

Speaker 2 Yes, I actually, yes, you're right. I wish, my only problem with it was that I wish they had let go of this idea of her believing he actually died for her.

Speaker 2 Because he didn't, yes, he died throwing himself in front of, you know, that bullet, but he didn't believe at that point

Speaker 2 that that was a real scenario because he had staged it.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 3 And that, I want to go back one step and go,

Speaker 3 he is a creep.

Speaker 4 He stages a robbery.

Speaker 2 He knew it at that point, but he has to be able to do that.

Speaker 4 He sees his friend being like, no, no, it's not me.

Speaker 2 I know, but he had still staged a.

Speaker 4 Sure.

Speaker 2 And I just found it troubling that she never seemed to know that he had staged this really scary event for her.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that kind of gets pushed under the rug.

Speaker 3 And it's a weird thing.

Speaker 4 You're saying scary event, and I would say romantic event.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's

Speaker 4 in 1987 when this movie was made. This was the height of romance.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, sweetie, don't feel so badly for him. Like, he would never have even been there.
I guess she would be dead, but like, I don't know, actually. I don't think that guy would have

Speaker 2 been there.

Speaker 3 Can I tell you why she would have been dead? Because she's reaching behind her to get like a bat. This man has a gun.
That bat ain't going to do anything. Give the money.
Give the money.

Speaker 4 Give the money, and you guys can keep chatting when this person leaves.

Speaker 3 I mean, and I will say that again, I want to talk about the creepiness of our lead, right? Our lead, Andrew, sorry, our lead.

Speaker 4 Johnny Dingle.

Speaker 3 Johnny Dingle.

Speaker 4 Don't even, you need to look at the papers. I can tell you Johnny Dingle right now.
Johnny Dingle. You know what was heartbreaking to me? Johnny Dingle dies a virgin twice.

Speaker 4 Heartbreak.

Speaker 2 You know, this is what I sort of, I miss the, I know.

Speaker 4 The virginity movie? Well, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 I miss the days in which teenagers were 37.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 2 Like that.

Speaker 2 I really miss the Andra Zuckers. Like, I missed the

Speaker 2 teen. Yeah, the old teens.
And that's what I did find comforting.

Speaker 2 I really do. I found it so comforting watching this movie.
Like, he was tarnished. Johnny Dingle was the same age, if not older, than her dad.

Speaker 3 Johnny Dingle, Johnny Dingle, 23,

Speaker 3 the woman, 25. Yeah.

Speaker 4 As all teen movies should be.

Speaker 4 Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 3 And but when he wakes up out of bed, I was like, oh, because it starts with him as a child, and he's lusting after this girl.

Speaker 4 And He's not lusting, he's in love with her.

Speaker 3 Well, she doesn't seem to even talk.

Speaker 4 Is it a Halloween birthday party?

Speaker 4 I don't know. He's wearing a fireman's hat.

Speaker 3 Everyone else is in costume. The birthday girl is not.

Speaker 2 I think that was just her wish to see

Speaker 2 everyone else in a different professional uniform.

Speaker 4 And why?

Speaker 4 They were shooting composites that day.

Speaker 3 Why is this movie told in the style of a comic book?

Speaker 4 I don't know, but I was thrilled it was. It made those awkward transitions sing.

Speaker 3 It was a really odd choice because, and I understand that there is a tradition of old of like maybe horror comic books, but it was an odd choice because there's no horror in the comic book at all.

Speaker 3 The comic book is really just doing transitions. It's like we couldn't afford to shoot it.

Speaker 3 So that's odd. So we wake up, old man in a bed, we're believing that he's a child, even though he looks the same age as as his dad.
And then his parents are like, don't cut through that woman's lawn.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, okay,

Speaker 3 I'm in, I'm on board. And then he just doesn't cut through her lawn.
Like, he destroys it.

Speaker 4 He doesn't, actually. He destroys her flower bed, which is so much weirder.
Well, yes.

Speaker 3 And that, to me, I was like, oh, great way to not like this character right out there.

Speaker 4 But see, but the problem is I've already decided to like him because when he opens his closet, there is a juggling game in there. And I was like, oh, this guy's cool as hell.

Speaker 3 I was obsessed with that. I was like, what is juggle?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I love that both of us were like, what's the game juggle?

Speaker 3 And then when they had the reverse shot, I saw the back of the juggle game.

Speaker 4 I was like, oh, and I just immediately paused it because I assumed it said juggle.

Speaker 4 And I was like, there's got to be boobs here. I bet this, if I bet if I pause,

Speaker 4 there's going to be jugs on this.

Speaker 2 You have to listen. You have to listen and be ready.

Speaker 4 I spent like an hour frame by framing the juggle.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I guess what I'm getting to ultimately is, if you don't change a single frame of this movie, why don't you just start off the character as a likable, shy guy who then gets shot not because he set up an elaborate like hoax robbery.

Speaker 3 Like everything that he does in the beginning sets him up as a creep, where I think it would be more endearing if he's just nice.

Speaker 4 I think you're right, except that back then, we didn't have creeps.

Speaker 4 Back then, we didn't have creeps. We didn't know this was creep behavior.
Well, right.

Speaker 4 It just seemed like you, if you're a guy and you're in love with a girl who's been dating Matthew Fox for six years,

Speaker 4 they are in high school. What's going on there? Who's had a boyfriend for six years? You have to stage some sort of elaborate prank, hoax, violent thing in order to get her attention.

Speaker 2 I also found it interesting that Matt, they didn't make the movie makes so many interesting choices.

Speaker 2 And one is to not make Matthew Fox a villain, really. No.
Like, he seems like a nice guy in the beginning. You know, I never had an issue with him.

Speaker 4 He's kind of a dick, but not so, so much.

Speaker 2 Not like, I guess, not no more so than our main character.

Speaker 4 Well, to me.

Speaker 3 I mean, the dick of the movie is the surprise of the film, Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Speaker 4 Or as he's credited, Philip Hoffman. Oh, really? No Seymour in the credits.
Yes. Oh, I didn't see him.

Speaker 4 I just saw it at the beginning.

Speaker 2 And I have to say, he explodes on this.

Speaker 4 Incredible. I never, I always, I think maybe the first time I ever saw him was like Labowski, for me.
Oh,

Speaker 4 not sin of a woman?

Speaker 3 Maybe. Because he's playing a similar character instead of a woman.

Speaker 4 He's like a musky, but I don't even remember. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 So I remember, I mean, not that I was registering, but I remember him being like the funny, cokey ski dude. Okay.
And I was like, oh, wow, what an interesting moment that he

Speaker 3 turned. Like, because, well, just listen.

Speaker 4 What are you doing? What is this?

Speaker 3 It's clown work.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 4 I'm an idiot.

Speaker 3 Like, the way he's holding his body, the way he's packing.

Speaker 2 Look at where his eyes are.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He looks like a character from Andy Cap and Bazooka Joe.

Speaker 4 I mean, it is.

Speaker 2 Look at his hair coming out of his hat up there.

Speaker 3 Like, this is comedia-level performance.

Speaker 4 And immediately, he is

Speaker 4 just acting everybody off the screen.

Speaker 3 He is denim on denim.

Speaker 3 And here we go.

Speaker 2 Well, no kidding. You stand me up, and then you don't even call me.

Speaker 6 My car broke down. I had to walk eight miles through the rain to get to a telephone, and by the time I got there, you were already gone.

Speaker 2 See, I believe that.

Speaker 6 I would walk on glass and eat donkeys for you.

Speaker 4 Look at Phil See more often.

Speaker 6 I can't live knowing that you're not mine.

Speaker 6 You have a problem with me?

Speaker 3 Of course, I will, silly.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, too.

Speaker 4 Let's not fight anymore.

Speaker 4 What's up, Dingle?

Speaker 4 What's it?

Speaker 2 See you, Johnny.

Speaker 3 Now it's over.

Speaker 3 looking at nothing.

Speaker 4 They're back.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 It's a straight line from that to the talented Mr. Ripley.

Speaker 4 It's incredible. Wow.
Truly.

Speaker 4 I mean, sometimes you see it and you're like, oh, there it is. It's right there.
It doesn't matter what it's in service of.

Speaker 4 It's just electric to watch.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Bob Balaban. Bob Balaban had the eye.

Speaker 4 I love that it's Balaban.

Speaker 4 I love Bob Balaban. Everybody, every adult in the movie is a Balaban-level character actor.
Yeah. It's J.O.
Sanders, it's Richard Gilmore, it's Austin Pendleton.

Speaker 4 Everybody, all the adults are Cloris Leachman. One scene.
One scene with Cloris Leachman, and it's electric.

Speaker 2 And his mom, Mary Beth Hurt, was amazing.

Speaker 4 The fact that she keeps bringing him

Speaker 4 first a toddler to eat

Speaker 4 and then a cadaver is so funny.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 this movie feels to me like a John Waters version of Teen Wolf. I feel like that's what they're going for.

Speaker 4 Oh, come on.

Speaker 3 And this is the thing I can't quite figure out because all the actors seem to be on the same page. He's directing them all, but I feel like...
Maybe it didn't push far enough. Maybe it did.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I loved that nobody questioned it beyond, well, wait a minute didn't you die yeah okay you're here now

Speaker 2 and i loved that it didn't slow itself down to try and work it out that it just was like let's keep going because the story we're telling is not about this but he didn't really question it either which i thought was interesting i thought for sure someone's going to and it's him i actually i found it it fascinating that he became more likable when he was dead

Speaker 3 like once he had something to contend with and an identity that sort of othered him he he we had to root for him yes well yeah i think you're right and i think that this movie just kind of finds ways to always go in a slightly different direction that you don't need to go into because like yes he comes back from the dead no sure would it be interesting to give it the the smallest amount of explanation yeah i wouldn't have minded it but sure we don't need it especially when that that gravedigger seems to know a lot more than he's letting on murray yeah murray the gravedigger would love would love murray to be like yeah just give me one more line of exposition we're halfway there but But he stops himself from even explaining.

Speaker 3 He's like,

Speaker 4 you'll find out.

Speaker 4 You'll find out in the rest of the movie.

Speaker 3 So then he goes to the doctor, who was great. The doctor, and the doctor.

Speaker 4 So great. So great.

Speaker 4 So incredible stuff from Austin Pendleton.

Speaker 2 Austin Pendleton. I mean, it was really amazing.

Speaker 4 The movie, let's be clear, would be unwatchable, but for the adults.

Speaker 2 Well, they're all adults, including that toddler.

Speaker 4 Yes, true.

Speaker 3 Well, and and like and what this is the got thing

Speaker 3 but then like he goes to the doctor and he's like yeah you got to go see this old woman maggie like why

Speaker 3 why are we making another scene for him to go to her for her to go yeah my husband did it too and he eats dead people like just have austin pendulum go like yeah he said guys you i feel like you didn't like this movie yeah just go say it be still for real you are holding it still for real You're holding it to a stand.

Speaker 4 Is it just because it's so much like Teen Wolf without the tickle my paws moment?

Speaker 3 There is never a moment in here where they told me to pause the film.

Speaker 3 And I feel like that, well, these movies owe that to me. It's PG-13.

Speaker 3 And I expected something. No, and I think, like, I guess what I was getting frustrated by was like the overcomplication of things.
It's like, no, no. It's simple.
It's easy.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't have any problem with the guys coming out with guns, the mom killing people, him eating a child. But, like, why are we like detouring?

Speaker 2 I do think, yes. I think that once Austin Pendleton's nurse

Speaker 2 said,

Speaker 2 who, by the way, is his wife, who announced, like almost two hours into the film, just

Speaker 2 appeared. I hadn't seen her before.

Speaker 4 I don't know if she was a character.

Speaker 2 I don't think so. Appeared as though we knew her and said, you know, we're going to be making a youth serum.

Speaker 4 I thought we'd have to do this. This is definitely a chilo money.

Speaker 2 This is definitely just a new plot. Yep.
You know, that we're going to have to do it.

Speaker 3 Plastic surgery without the fish.

Speaker 3 Like, in a movie that's an hour and 25 minutes, that comes in about an hour and 15.

Speaker 4 And you're like, oh.

Speaker 3 And even

Speaker 3 the end, I rewound it three times. When he goes to heaven,

Speaker 4 well, because you were trying to see nudity?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, I thought when St.
Peter was like, took on my balls.

Speaker 3 No, but I was like, you weren't supposed to, he was supposed to slip on coffee. I'm like, well, I'm lost here.

Speaker 4 I'm lost. You are trying to make sense out of you're trying to be, you're, you're applying too rigorous a logic to this.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm saying it's like, it's like this movie should be a straight line. Like, how about now we put a knot here? And you're like, why?

Speaker 3 Why do I need a knot? Just go to heaven and be like, you know what, you learned your lesson. Go back down.
I don't need him to go like, oh, he's supposed to slip on a pot of coffee.

Speaker 3 And then he gets shot. I'm like, okay,

Speaker 4 all right.

Speaker 4 But why did that happen?

Speaker 2 Why? What I still, I guess I didn't get to is what was the mistake exactly.

Speaker 3 That he was supposed to slip in the coffee.

Speaker 2 No, I know. Stop saying that.
I know.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 2 I know he was supposed to slip in the coffee, but you're not going my field of stream, Mega.

Speaker 2 Wow. It just became unchoice.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 2 I guess that just felt so random. I couldn't accept it.
Like, I almost wanted Murray to have

Speaker 2 done something wrong, or for him to have, you know, because he would admit that he set up this entire plan. Right, or because

Speaker 2 he didn't give her the necklace that

Speaker 2 something.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 There was a better device in there that wasn't used.

Speaker 4 The fact that he's wearing the locket when he gets sent back, which stops the bullet, is, I will say, insanity. It is because if I'm her and he

Speaker 4 takes the bullet, and she's like, oh, this stops it. It's a heart-shaped locket with a picture of me as a five-year-old in it.

Speaker 4 I would shoot him.

Speaker 4 I would say, give me that gun. Only answer this guy.

Speaker 2 But also, in the world of the movie, that present is locked away in his closet.

Speaker 4 But we are to assume because he's gone to heaven and stood trial and they've sent him back that god put that locket on him

Speaker 3 and again

Speaker 4 and then the christian god

Speaker 3 obviously and then he goes back down

Speaker 4 i said it

Speaker 3 goes back down to have the final dance and guess what i want my boyfriend's back dance Dancing my boyfriend's back.

Speaker 4 Nope.

Speaker 4 I agree.

Speaker 3 Simple choices.

Speaker 4 That's all.

Speaker 4 In a slightly better executed version of this movie, there would have been like a band from that era doing a ska cover of my boyfriend's back. 100%.

Speaker 4 It would be like fishbone doing my boyfriend's back.

Speaker 3 You're not going to get from me like, I didn't like when the mom threw the peanut butter or the bologna and mustard. Love it.

Speaker 3 No issue with it. On board.

Speaker 4 but kind of want some other things in here too like in that like again i love that they also didn't really grieve for not at all no not at all it was in some ways healing just to be like oh sometimes grief is not that big of a deal and also and you know what it felt like they didn't give in to that level of grief because they knew he was coming back They knew that he was probably going to show up tomorrow, which is when he arrives.

Speaker 4 They just buried him yesterday. Paul Dooley's son is killed and Paul Dooley is like, my son's dead.

Speaker 3 And you're about to eat my, you're about to eat my other son.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 When that is revealed to be his other son, so funny.

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Speaker 2 The one logic issue I had, the one, was that

Speaker 2 he would have started to smell very badly.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. When she bites his ear and it falls off in her mouth,

Speaker 4 I was like, finally, this movie has arrived.

Speaker 4 And by the way, she's

Speaker 4 loves it. She's, in fact, I think, turned on.

Speaker 3 She is incredibly turned on by his decomposing body. Yes.

Speaker 4 And she pays no attention to him until he's dead. And then she's like, what's your deal?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're different.

Speaker 4 The ultimate bad boy is one that doesn't have a heartbeat. Isn't that the tagline?

Speaker 4 Nope.

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 was obsessed with this movie that it reminded me of. Anyone ever see Dead Heat?

Speaker 3 Great movie. Joe Piscopo

Speaker 3 gets killed in the line of duty, comes back as a zombie, and his body parts are falling off too to solve a crime. He's got to solve a crime.

Speaker 4 That's why you didn't like this movie because you love this other zombie movie. Pisca Po.

Speaker 4 I don't like breaking it down that way. The first syllable.

Speaker 4 this is the tough thing about this movie.

Speaker 4 Is it a mad movie?

Speaker 2 I'm actually really mad at you, Paul, because I came in here like loving it, and now I'm turning on it, and it's not even you can't shake my love.

Speaker 3 Yeah, good.

Speaker 2 I need to get back there because I'm all right.

Speaker 3 I'm with you.

Speaker 2 But what I will say, though, is that you are, you were referring to him as a zombie, but there's never any like mental decay or zombies-esque behavior other than, of course, wanting to eat people.

Speaker 2 But there's no other sense really of him behaving

Speaker 2 having any physicality of a zombie.

Speaker 3 I want to kill Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Speaker 3 Like Philip Seymour Hoffman putting an axe in his own head.

Speaker 4 I'm like, ugh.

Speaker 2 And what did happen there? It was just the weight of it kind of took him back.

Speaker 3 Took it back and it,

Speaker 4 he hit himself in the back of the head, which made no sense.

Speaker 4 I feel like that was them not wanting our hero guy to murder, but to be able to eat human flesh but the last line of the movie is i wish i would have killed that guy yeah i know my

Speaker 4 tough stuff um

Speaker 4 my understanding of zombies though is that they like dot dot dot brains

Speaker 4 not so much flesh he ate he ate his belly oh i know he ate his stomach they keep saying he ate yeah he ate the stomach um but don't zombies eat brains isn't that their whole thing brains brains right i don't know that about them so i couldn't

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 4 Anyway,

Speaker 4 so that was interesting to me, just mythologically to introduce

Speaker 4 a new thing. That was interesting.

Speaker 3 But I have a feeling on this. They couldn't introduce brains because they didn't have the effects budget to do brains.
I bet you're right.

Speaker 4 Because when Philip Seymour Hoffman's in the business, they don't need to have the effects budget to show him eating flesh. No, I mean...

Speaker 4 He just goes down off camera and comes up with a little bit of blood.

Speaker 3 Like he ate a burger with too much ketchup.

Speaker 4 I wrote here, this tone isn't done anymore. That's what I want.
That's what I want.

Speaker 3 It's like Heathers and John Waters and Steve.

Speaker 4 You know what it reminded me of?

Speaker 4 Buffy.

Speaker 4 It reminded me of Buffy. A world in which

Speaker 4 these supernatural elements are not really explored too much other than their ability to give us, to let us tell a story, a coming-of-age story, a whatever. Sure.
Anyway, you get it.

Speaker 4 And that's what it reminded me of.

Speaker 3 But I guess guess that's my other question.

Speaker 3 What is this a metaphor for?

Speaker 4 I think there's both a puberty story in here.

Speaker 4 He's 25 years old.

Speaker 4 But then there is the story of their unholy romance. The idea that everybody is so looking down on them and that she's involved with

Speaker 4 a zombie, the undead.

Speaker 2 I do think, God, now I don't like the movie anymore. I'm so hot.
Because I think you're, I know, I don't know what happened tonight, but I think

Speaker 2 what you're right about is

Speaker 2 what has he learned?

Speaker 4 Nothing.

Speaker 2 Right. You know, he has.

Speaker 3 What has the town learned?

Speaker 4 Nothing.

Speaker 2 I think that what I wish for him is that he had started off as someone who wasn't willing to

Speaker 2 try and put himself out there and be brave enough to fail and be vulnerable enough to, you know, tell her how he feels.

Speaker 3 But yet the first scene is like, you smell good, you smelly smell. Yeah, I know.
You know, it's like, it's like, ooh, creepy creep.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then he does stage this elaborate thing, you know.

Speaker 3 Now, when I did that to you, did you find that romantic?

Speaker 2 I thought you were a choice ma'am.

Speaker 4 Choice. Oh, my God.
Choice. I think you really have to decide to be on this movie's wavelength.
You do. You have to be on board for J.O.

Speaker 4 Sanders screaming, you are not taking my daughter to the prom, you stupid dead son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 Great line.

Speaker 2 And by the way, here's the thing about our lead actor. Even though the movie and the writing and the story doesn't do him any favors, I did find him to be inherently watchable and buoyant and likable.

Speaker 2 And so I do think he carries a storyline that's kind of not there.

Speaker 3 I agree. I feel like given the material that he had, he made some choices.
I think he is likable,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 you're right. He's more likable when he's the zombie, but he hasn't really learned anything because when he goes back to school, his friend is his friend.

Speaker 3 Like, and Teen Wolf, the fun thing about Teen Wolf is.

Speaker 4 Here we go. Take on my paws.
Here we go.

Speaker 4 We know. We've heard you say it.
It's that it's funny.

Speaker 3 But it's like the idea being like, here's a nerdy kid. He's not very good in basketball.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 no one pays attention to him. He becomes the wolf.
And then he's like, you know, breakdancing on trucks, scoring a bunch of baskets in the basketball game.

Speaker 3 The hot girl likes him, you know, and it's like, oh, popularity isn't all it's cracked up to be. Like, I actually like being with my friends better.

Speaker 3 Here, he becomes a zombie, keeps the same friends, and then the girl that he likes is this kind of like into like dead bodies. Like she's into necrophilia.

Speaker 2 I think you're right, actually because he says there's that moment where he says like i don't just like you because you're popular i don't just like you because you're pretty i'm like well that's all i see like i don't know why you like her actually no no reason i know he likes her for the five-year-old within

Speaker 4 i don't like that

Speaker 4 it's a real roller coaster put on a shirt

Speaker 4 put it on a shirt um all right let's go to the audience let's see what the audience has to say um there we go i'm gonna

Speaker 3 All right, so I know there's a lot of interesting things to talk about in this movie. We've broached a handful, but there are other things left to be said.

Speaker 4 Hi, what's your name? Nick. Nick, what's your question?

Speaker 3 I guess going off what you were just saying, since she wasn't into him until after he died and the death is sort of a stand-in for like an otherism, is she like fetishizing him for his identity at all?

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, that's what I was thinking, too.

Speaker 2 It's like, she just straight up likes the smell of dead skin. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think it's as simple as that.

Speaker 4 I think she wants to fuck him till his dick falls off. I think she wants to, I think she wants that.
I do. I think she's like,

Speaker 4 I think she's kind of like, previous to he's just Johnny Dingle, who cares? And then she's like, have you seen Johnny Dingle since he died?

Speaker 3 He's smoking. I will say that the dick falling off scene and the sex judging scene.

Speaker 4 The dream sequence.

Speaker 3 The dream sequence both disturbed me.

Speaker 3 Like, I got it from a comedic standpoint, but I was just like, ugh, too much. Like, watching him crawl all over her in those, like, little heart shorts.

Speaker 4 By the way, I wrote that too. There was something about this era in which

Speaker 4 in all of film, young teenage boys were always represented as having boxer shorts with hearts on them. Yeah, I had those.
You had them? Yeah. I was going to say, I've never even seen that.

Speaker 3 I had a real issue with my boxer shorts because they were so hard to get in my jeans.

Speaker 4 I had to really push them down. I didn't even, I wasn't even allowed to have boxer shorts.
Oh, really? Oh, no, I was tiny whiteys all day. Once.
Wow. Once.
In like teenage years?

Speaker 4 Once Bill. Boxers weren't popular exactly until a little bit later.

Speaker 3 Well, once Bill Clinton said he wore boxers.

Speaker 4 Oh, God. I was off.
How was that?

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 did he say that? And then you paused it and we're like, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 And then I saw him

Speaker 3 with, I had that device. I saw him waist down in a pair of boxers.

Speaker 4 Look great.

Speaker 3 Heart boxers. Hi, what's your name?

Speaker 4 Sam.

Speaker 3 Sam, what's your question?

Speaker 8 Maybe I missed it in the prom scene at the very end when he comes back to life. Did Philip Seymour Hoffman not come back?

Speaker 3 So he is alluded to as being alive.

Speaker 4 What? Sorry?

Speaker 3 Is Philip Seymour Hoffman dead in this alternate reality?

Speaker 4 Wait, what?

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm sorry. Right, I'm the end.
Yeah, he must be alive.

Speaker 3 He says in the voiceover, like, the only thing I wish is that I killed Buster or whatever his name was.

Speaker 4 Buck, which is Matthew Fox.

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 4 Buck is Matthew Fox. No, so if you.

Speaker 8 You'd be wondering where he was. He wasn't in the background.

Speaker 4 You're right. He wasn't in the scene.
But if we do,

Speaker 4 if he sees St. Peter and they get sent back to the robbery scene, then nothing after the robbery scene has taken place.
He goes back to the beginning, right?

Speaker 3 Well, who knows? This guy.

Speaker 4 What do you mean, who knows? This guy. I don't think you can say who knows.
We know. We watched it.

Speaker 4 Well, we weren't with.

Speaker 2 Well, we weren't with Matthew Fox or Philip Seymour Hoffman that night.

Speaker 4 We don't know what they might have died that night, but the events of the events of the don't gaslight me on state.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey, hey. I don't know.
Do your research. I don't like both of you teaming up.

Speaker 3 Didn't he say at one point when he was in front of St. Peter, like, oh, and I didn't mean to kill Buck.

Speaker 4 Didn't he say that?

Speaker 2 He said he didn't mean to eat him.

Speaker 4 He does say he wish he killed Buck, meaning

Speaker 4 when his buddy says, I know what you should do.

Speaker 4 when Buck comes to pick her up for the prom, you should kill and eat him. Wear his suit and take her to the prom.
He doesn't do that plan.

Speaker 4 And later in the movie, he says, I wish I'd done that plan, right?

Speaker 2 Well, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. He's a creep.

Speaker 3 Yes. He is a creep.

Speaker 4 Hi, what's your name that you can? Do you really want him to be? Hi, I'm Jessica.

Speaker 2 To June's point of Matthew Fox's Buck, you're saying he's not a villain, and it's true because what it seems to me is this girl who's supposed to be the sweetest, loveliest, most beautiful, popular girl in the school that's nice to everybody is essentially now cheating on her boyfriend who has done nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 In fact, she agreed to go to the prom with him. He came and did this grand gesture.
They apologized to each other. And his friend's an asshole, but he hasn't done anything wrong.

Speaker 3 And there's nothing to say that he lied about not showing up for her.

Speaker 2 I also do believe his car broke down and he had to walk.

Speaker 4 So maybe

Speaker 4 if he wasn't. I don't believe that for a second.
Here's what I don't believe. Anything coming out of the mouth of anyone wearing a Letterman jacket.

Speaker 4 If you're wearing a Letterman jacket in a teen movie in 1987, facts,

Speaker 4 you are a villain.

Speaker 2 But that's why I was confused because I didn't have any of those feelings for that.

Speaker 4 And I do believe men with that. I do agree, believe men.

Speaker 4 I agree with Jude on that.

Speaker 3 That's a shirt.

Speaker 4 Believe men.

Speaker 4 Believe men on the back tickle my paws. Oh, God.

Speaker 3 What's your name? What's your question?

Speaker 9 Hi, my name is Anthony. I just wanted to ask more about the mom and the plates with the dog.
I don't know how many people noticed that, the bit running in that.

Speaker 3 Okay, tell us the bit because I don't think we did.

Speaker 9 Okay, the first time the mom is serving breakfast, the dog just snatches all the food off the plate, tastes all the eggs. Oh, Oh, that's the second time.

Speaker 4 The first time. Yeah, June.
Yeah. Sorry, June.
Hey, June, that's the

Speaker 4 time. I think Matt.
I believe Matt. Hey, let's believe this.
Go on. Wow.
This guy's. I believe him.
This guy's fired up.

Speaker 9 I just want to say sorry to June. Sorry.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 June.

Speaker 9 It looks like bagels or toast, but the dog just takes the mom's like, all right, and sets the plate on the table.

Speaker 3 Okay, so the dog is eating all the food. It's a funny bit.
I laughed at the eggs. I didn't see the first one.

Speaker 2 Thoughts? Well, I do. Well, I do think that it's leading to what we what ends up happening which is the dog takes the

Speaker 2 you know the body and pulls it from the fridge I think what we're great setting up is that this dog will eat anything anywhere anytime any day and I love it and that's the rich text that is this movie

Speaker 4 There are things happening.

Speaker 2 Listen to what the movie is telling you.

Speaker 4 There are things happening that we didn't even pick up on that it takes a man in the audience to illustrate.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Finally a man asking questions.

Speaker 4 Explain it as only a man can.

Speaker 4 Here's what I wish.

Speaker 2 Here's what I wish because some of these movies of this time, although I guess we don't know what time it was after all, 93.

Speaker 3 Well, we do know what time it was.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing. Here's my question about 93.

Speaker 2 Was this movie made in 93, though, as a period film to feel like 87?

Speaker 4 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 God damn it. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Because what's important to me about movies, well, the movies I saw when I was 13 and pretty, a lot of Molly Ringwald. Like, what was important to me about those women was that they were.

Speaker 2 I wanted him to let go of her as an idea. Wouldn't that be great? And a concept.

Speaker 2 And find, like, when I saw him sitting next to that girl and staring at her arms in the library, I thought, well, who's she?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 he's looking at her because he wants to eat her.

Speaker 4 He wants to chomp, chomp, chomp down on those arms.

Speaker 2 But that was a very important narrative to me to like. I thought that she had a strong

Speaker 4 girl.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry? I thought she had a strong sense of self.

Speaker 4 The library girl. The girl in the library girl.

Speaker 2 It's because she didn't allow him to eat her?

Speaker 4 Wow. Okay.

Speaker 4 Now that's interesting.

Speaker 3 She just was like, hey, back off, man. Like, you know, and I thought she just held her.
you know, she wasn't like, I'm a nerd. You can eat me.
Like, that's like.

Speaker 2 I guess she wasn't.

Speaker 4 The only flaw I see with the movie is that I don't even understand what he's still doing at school.

Speaker 2 I don't know either. Let's be clear.

Speaker 4 If I'm dead, I am not going to school.

Speaker 3 It seems like he just wants to go hang out with that girl.

Speaker 4 Yes, and find her elsewhere.

Speaker 2 I guess what I'm saying is that I felt like the late, there were movies that

Speaker 2 let go of the idea of the hot girl who had nothing else to offer but being hot and popular. And I thought by 93

Speaker 2 we had done our time with that. And that's what's

Speaker 4 the time in college when this movie comes out is stone cold chilly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and

Speaker 2 I was 13. I'm a lot younger.
Go on, Paul, next person.

Speaker 4 Wow. I was just getting my period.
Savage flex from a choice woman.

Speaker 3 Well, now, no one brought up this fact, and I'm surprised, LA.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 you might want to say brace yourself. Sorry, you might not want to say it.
I'm going to say to you, brace yourself.

Speaker 4 Wait, so who's saying brace yourself?

Speaker 4 I'm saying.

Speaker 4 I just want to be clear, just so as we're cutting it together, so who do you want to say brace yourself and when?

Speaker 2 Because for us to say brace yourself,

Speaker 2 we don't know to yeah.

Speaker 4 So you guys go three, two, two, one.

Speaker 4 No, I have to say it to you. No, I have to say it to you.

Speaker 3 You're not presenting to me. I'm presenting to you.
Brace yourself.

Speaker 3 We're going to go on a little bit.

Speaker 4 Let's do one thing. We just do it.
You guys on three just say you brace yourself. One, two, three.
You brace yourself. No.

Speaker 3 You brace yourself.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 You brace yourself.

Speaker 3 Listen to me right now.

Speaker 3 You better brace yourself

Speaker 4 because

Speaker 4 I will not.

Speaker 4 I will not do it.

Speaker 3 You know what?

Speaker 4 I will.

Speaker 3 I'll brace myself.

Speaker 4 You did it!

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Wow. This is a, by the way, you guys got a good one.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 3 People have asked, what if, what happened to the lead actress in this movie, Tracy Lynn?

Speaker 3 I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 4 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 I am actually, I am bracing myself.

Speaker 4 Okay. Tracy Lind.

Speaker 3 This is the actress in the movie.

Speaker 3 In 1997, Lind went public with accusations of physical abuse regarding her boyfriend, Dodie Fayed.

Speaker 3 She claimed that they were physical with each other, and he threatened her with a nine-millimeter Beretta when she rejected his proposal.

Speaker 3 Two weeks later, Dodi died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana.

Speaker 2 I couldn't, honestly, I didn't brace myself enough. With all that, I didn't, I didn't

Speaker 4 consider me braced. Wow.

Speaker 4 Wait. Wow.

Speaker 3 And then the final part is after his passing, Lynn retired from acting, stating, I'm an intensely private person, so this whole acting thing was just the wrong path for me.

Speaker 4 Lights? Like, we gotta go. I have to go.

Speaker 4 Shows over?

Speaker 4 Tickle my paws?

Speaker 4 How do you come back from? Wow.

Speaker 4 I'm just,

Speaker 4 I just, I can't wrap my head around this.

Speaker 3 It's a, it's a, it's a, it definitely.

Speaker 2 Billion years, I couldn't have come up with that.

Speaker 4 Didn't think who played her in the Princess Diana movie that we did?

Speaker 2 Just go over the timeline with me one. Okay.
So she's engaged with you.

Speaker 3 So this movie is made in 93. In 97.

Speaker 2 I'm 13. Jason's in college.

Speaker 4 Go on. Yes.

Speaker 3 In 97.

Speaker 3 In 97, she is dating Dotie Fayed. She goes out and says, hey, this guy's been abusive to me.

Speaker 2 In 97, she's saying these things. She's dating him.

Speaker 3 And then two weeks after that.

Speaker 2 She dies in 98, right?

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 3 two weeks after she went public, Dodie died in a car accident with his new partner, Princess Diana.

Speaker 2 This changes everything.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Oh, there's a little more.

Speaker 3 Okay, hold on. Who said that? You did?

Speaker 4 Oh, wow. I knew you had it.
All right.

Speaker 3 All right, Correct.

Speaker 4 Get that guy out of here.

Speaker 4 I say that. I do that bit.

Speaker 4 What do we got?

Speaker 5 So when Chuck, Philip Seymour Hoffman, is chasing Johnny with a baseball bat, Eddie comes out and he's reading a Time magazine, or People magazine.

Speaker 5 And Princess Die and Charles is divorced is on the magazine.

Speaker 4 Okay, but that's just pure coincidence, right?

Speaker 4 Here's my theory. Here's my theory.

Speaker 5 Dodie was having trouble in his relationship with Tracy, was watching this movie and saw that Di was on that cover, single, ready to mingle, and then she dies.

Speaker 2 I think we know, though, for sure, that Dodie and Tracy were dating during the film.

Speaker 4 Yes, was that during this period? Do we know that? Oh, no, I think he was just re-watching it, trying to re-do you think he was watching it for the pod?

Speaker 4 What I'm saying is that... knowing that in the future we would cover it.

Speaker 2 Could be. I thought you said pause.
I genuinely thought you said pause. And I was like.

Speaker 3 Pause the episode right now to see Jason make it.

Speaker 4 And if you're listening to the podcast, do pause.

Speaker 4 Do pause during the pod because there is nudity.

Speaker 3 I want to agree with this story and say they're dating. And he's like, well, what do you do? And she's like, I'm an actress.
And she's like, well, what have you been in?

Speaker 3 She's like, My boyfriend's back. Let's watch it.
Then sees that magazine, gets that idea, and then we move on to the next one.

Speaker 4 How many years later is that, though? Like, what? Three years later. Oh, oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 Or three, four years later. I see, I see, I see.

Speaker 3 Wow. You know, by the time it's on home video.

Speaker 4 This has been maybe the biggest bombshell since

Speaker 4 Catherine Heigl replaced Megan Markle in

Speaker 4 suits. Was that it?

Speaker 4 Was that it?

Speaker 2 I don't think she replaced it. I think we were just figuring out how many members of the royal family were in suits or connected to suits.

Speaker 4 There was some reveal that then similarly, I feel like threw me entirely off track for days.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, a couple of things. I mean, I can get you back to some stuff and say that the movie was originally offered to Peter Jackson.
He turned it down.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 they gave it to another guy,

Speaker 3 Adam Marcus, But then Disney was like, he's too young.

Speaker 3 So he went on to go make Jason Goes to Hell the Final Friday.

Speaker 3 And then they bring him Bob Balaban, but they kind of dangle the script in front of Bob Balaban for months. And then they go, finally, go shoot this thing.

Speaker 3 Give him two weeks' notice to shoot the movie.

Speaker 4 And he nailed it.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 3 Maybe it should be Bob. You know how they have those shirts, like a film by Albert Brooks, or, you know, a film.
It should be like a film by Bob Balaban. Maybe you make that shoot.

Speaker 4 I would love it. By the way, I would love it.

Speaker 3 Okay, so

Speaker 3 as we digest,

Speaker 2 I'm not recovered.

Speaker 4 Are we true?

Speaker 4 Let me ask a real question. Are we okay?

Speaker 4 Are we safe?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 3 Obviously, we have opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Speaker 4 Hi, I'm Kelsey.

Speaker 2 My boyfriend's back, but wait, he's not my boyfriend. Hala, hey, La, he's not my boyfriend.
He's kind of obsessed and never had the balls to talk to me. Hala, Hala, I'm with Matthew Fox.

Speaker 2 He dove in front of bullet for me. Hala, hay la, sure, I'll go to prom.

Speaker 2 I never expected him to come back from the grave. Hala, hala, he's kind of cute.

Speaker 2 He's starting to rot and we're making out in his car. Hala, hey, oh, his ear fell off.

Speaker 4 Hayes, that's kind of the whole plot.

Speaker 4 Hayes, there's Philip Seymorhoff.

Speaker 2 After all the hijinks and he makes it to the prom. He goes right to the afterlife.
Johnny finds out that he should have never died. So they they sent him back to the start.

Speaker 2 We're back at the beginning

Speaker 2 with the botched robbery. Hayla, hey, I'm almost done.

Speaker 4 I hate it.

Speaker 4 This is a recap, madam.

Speaker 4 Hey, I'm getting it five stars. Hey, the mom was the best part.

Speaker 2 My time was fun and it was a silly ride. Hayla, hey, how did this get made?

Speaker 4 Hey, amazing, great, great job.

Speaker 4 That was good because it reminded me of a lot of, if not all, of the poems. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 Good refresher at the end of the show.

Speaker 3 There are 1,250 reviews of this film. 82% are five-star.

Speaker 3 Now, I will tell you this much there is a review here I will not read it in full but I need to give you just a taste of it it is from dr. Jacques Coulard

Speaker 3 from

Speaker 3 July 7th 2012 I'm gonna read a middle paragraph and the last paragraph okay school teachers and other school personnel are just what they are a school of cold fish that stink high heavens like rotting salmon in a polluted river.

Speaker 3 And I will not say what happens to the trout in the lake. Dead fish can also be zombies, but then do they not have fish bones in their bodies?

Speaker 3 Rather perambulating, decaying radiations like in nuclear radiations?

Speaker 5 Don't touch, it burns.

Speaker 3 Now that's the middle paragraph. It goes on.

Speaker 3 And I'll read the final paragraph. The film is funny, though of course not as funny as Michael Jackson's rewriting of The Night of the Living Dead.

Speaker 3 It is true here that we have the prom of the living dead mixing with the dead living. That sounds more romantic than terrifying, but it is horrifyingly gross at times and Shakespearean at others.

Speaker 3 They even have a balcony scene of Romeo and Juliet revisited for young zombies with decaying muscles. I wonder where the three weird sisters are.

Speaker 4 Ah, ha

Speaker 4 ha!

Speaker 3 Three times, of course.

Speaker 3 Five stars.

Speaker 3 It takes the delirium tremens of the dead. So if you want to read the nine-paragraph review, we'll put that up on the website.

Speaker 4 And my understanding is that's what you do in auditions. You

Speaker 3 read that now.

Speaker 4 You read that review.

Speaker 3 I read all these things in here. Yeah, it says poor Dingle was a dongle in his life and as a zombie.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's yeah, it's but that does that does suggest that, and I'm shocked none of us have brought it up, thriller being another kind of zombie,

Speaker 4 a romantic zombie,

Speaker 4 of course, dancing that this movie did not have but like that's another very totemic zombie portrayal in this era 1987.

Speaker 3 Then Jay Bordelon in 2001 writes well first of all

Speaker 3 I love this movie with a passion and I've seen it at least 40 times but last night I rented it for the 41st

Speaker 3 and I noticed something I never noticed before the name of the song they danced to at the end of the movie i had my closed captioning running and all of a sudden it pops up hanging on for dear life by mmc

Speaker 3 now i was thinking that mmc stood for mickey mouse club

Speaker 3 but i don't think in this case it does also

Speaker 3 comment to other amazon reviewers I know too much more than anybody about movies and music.

Speaker 3 But if you want to know the name of a song or something, and you got to leave your email address in the review so people can write you back, well, peace and love and chicken grease.

Speaker 3 Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye.

Speaker 4 And again, I would argue that these are what happened at the end.

Speaker 4 Don't know. Wait, do you think that bye-bye was like Backstreet Boys? Well, wait, who's saying bye-bye-bye? Insync.
Insync. He did.

Speaker 4 You got to email him.

Speaker 3 He did leave his email address in the review so you could be like, well, what is MMC? Like, I guess he was asking you to say, I'm not going to tell you here. I'm not going to tell you what MMC is.

Speaker 4 I'm going to take this offline. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And, you know, every now and then we do one-star reviews. One-star reviews, first opinions.
These are people who... don't like the film.
And I wanted to call out this one written by Shelly.

Speaker 3 This movie would be fine if they didn't use the Lord's name in vain.

Speaker 3 A total waste of money if you're like me and find that very offensive.

Speaker 3 We don't watch anything with foul, spelt F-O-W-L,

Speaker 3 language.

Speaker 3 We don't watch anything with foul language or G-D in it.

Speaker 3 One star, disappointed.

Speaker 3 Has no issue with the resurrection of a a non-Christ-like figure.

Speaker 4 But really has a problem with them using Christian God's name.

Speaker 3 I also have to agree. Well, we know we all recommend it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Although I feel like you are a no.

Speaker 3 I'm a yes. I'm a yes.

Speaker 3 But I would love a simpler pass on it. Like, I just would love it to be streamlined a little bit, like a nerdy kid who realizes something.
Here, he realizes nothing. He gains nothing.

Speaker 3 When he goes back and asks her out, he's still asking her out with like he saved her life. So she's like, oh, yeah, I'm indebted to you.

Speaker 3 But the only reason why she's impressed is like, wow, he saved my life. I feel like you need to have something more to build a relationship on.

Speaker 4 It's not much of a hero's journey. I know.

Speaker 2 I mean, all that's true, but it's so much fun. I mean, this movie to me was just good old-fashioned fun.

Speaker 2 And I do appreciate a comedy that's going to take a strong comedic premise point of view and just play it out beat by beat. We don't make those types of movies anymore.

Speaker 2 And despite your concerns, I really wish, I wish we did. I really like this.
I watched this and I was like, oh, I'm craving this kind of dumb.

Speaker 2 Everybody's committed. Everybody's on the same page.
Everybody knows what the game is. And we're all just like continuing to build it out.
I really miss these movies, and I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 Agree, agree wholeheartedly. This movie is a home run for me.
And the idea that this is not like that kids don't have a this to watch,

Speaker 4 and maybe they do, and I just don't know what it's called, and it's on YouTube, and everybody farts into a can, and everybody's like, You smelt it.

Speaker 4 Um, I don't know, I like that one, but um, but this to me is boy, what a a blast!

Speaker 2 It's like, why does comedy have to be so real now?

Speaker 4 Boring, yes, well, because yes, I agree completely.

Speaker 4 This to me is comedy has killed comedy for real, yeah, it has true, and I miss these movies, I miss these movies from the John Hughesy versions of these to the teen wolves to this to the B movie, like this version of it.

Speaker 4 Like, this is

Speaker 4 this is a blood. I will watch that.
Let's do dead heat. I would like to do Dead Heat.
Put it on

Speaker 4 the docket. We absolutely should do it because that's this.

Speaker 3 Treat Williams, Joe piscopo comedy legends

Speaker 4 maybe let's actually

Speaker 3 i actually think that treat williams is the one who's the zombie right don't scold me sorry

Speaker 3 prepare yourself brace yourself brace yourself

Speaker 3 um yeah no i i

Speaker 3 you brace yourself

Speaker 3 okay fine

Speaker 4 i recommended a hundred percent this was and i will say this paul your criticisms though they may be valid, I did not, it didn't interrupt me from enjoying this movie at all.

Speaker 3 Full stop. And that's where I will say, while I had criticisms, I enjoyed the movie.
And I enjoyed what it did.

Speaker 4 What'd you say? I said, I know you did. Oh, oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 The only way the movie could be better would be nudity.

Speaker 3 Well, we just got to figure out when they're telling us to pause it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and it would have been great if, like, when his dick falls off and rolls down his pajama pants, if it fell out and we saw it.

Speaker 4 We all want to know what dingles dangling.

Speaker 3 We all want to know what dingles, dangle, tickle my paws.

Speaker 3 What do we want this shirt to be? A film by Bob Balaban? We want it to be a tickle my paws. Do we listen to men?

Speaker 4 Brian Orlando. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 Brian Orlando. Holy shit.
Brian Orlando Electronics. And it's a

Speaker 3 Brian Orlando Electronics. That's it.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 we could do Brian Orlando Electronics. Are we going to get?

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm not worried about getting sued by Brian Orlando.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Come after me. Yes.

Speaker 4 Everybody that Paul went to grade school with his dead enemy.

Speaker 3 They all died in that mysterious gas leak.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 That's our show.

Speaker 4 I just want to say,

Speaker 4 T2B, this episode has been unhinged.

Speaker 3 So great.

Speaker 4 So great.

Speaker 4 Well done.

Speaker 4 You guys were part of a great episode. What a

Speaker 4 God.

Speaker 4 This was unreal. And I only feel bad for the people that watched Ghosts of Mars last night.

Speaker 3 Sometimes that's a handydelp.

Speaker 4 That's a true dog shit movie.

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We are hallucinating in the middle of the woods.

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