TRACY TUTOR - LUXURY REAL ESTATE AGENT & BRAVO'S MILLION DOLLAR LISTING STAR

Hello, everyone.

Before I start today's episode, I decided to do uninterrupted

because my guest, Tracy Tudor, is a woman that I admire so, so much.

So, I was seriously like emotional as I was interviewing her, as I finished the interview, and now I'm here, like organizing the episode to publish.

Because Tracy is

successful in many different things that she does, And she looks phenomenal on videos, photos, and in person.

And she's like the all-around professional.

She shows up.

She scheduled a podcast.

No bullshit.

Her assistant is right on point.

So I want to say a big shout out to Cody for helping us make it happen.

She shows up.

10 minutes ahead of time, which to me is amazing because I'm always insanely punctual.

I respect people's time so much.

And it's a very difficult thing to find like nowadays, especially here in LA.

Everybody's always, always, always late.

So she shows up 10 minutes ahead of time, looking fantastic, camera ready, like 100% professional, sweet as pie, not a div or anything, no entourage.

Even her assistant didn't come.

She's asking me questions, trying to get to know me a little bit, which is something that people rarely, rarely do.

And we record an incredible episode.

She's very open.

she's very transparent.

And for those of you guys who don't know her,

she's a very successful luxury real estate agent here in LA.

And she's one of the stars of Bravo's million-dollar listing show, which I absolutely love.

It's super fun, it's super inspiring.

She has her own wine brand.

She is a best-selling author, and she's a mom.

She has two teenage girls.

She has been through divorce, she has been through heartbreak, and now she's doing fantastic.

So she's living proof that we can do anything and everything if we put our minds into it.

And you guys that know me know that a big part of my work is always about empowering women.

There is nothing that breaks my heart more than sugar babies, women that just sell themselves for money.

I see it all the time around LA.

I go to these events and I see these girls that are like drooling over men clearly because they want money, because they want to drink.

Oh, pay my bills.

Do this for me.

Do that for me.

No, no, no.

And a lot of my friends are men.

A lot of my clients on my agency, my digital media agency are men.

And they all say the same thing.

Like they meet these girls online.

And even before they meet them, the girls are like, oh, send me an airplane ticket.

Buy me a purse.

Buy me this.

Oh, I haven't worked in so long.

So seriously, girls, if you get any message out of this podcast, stop doing that.

Why in the world would you sell yourself short like that?

You should want a man.

You should want a partner.

But you shouldn't feel like, oh, I need this dude to pay my bills because I'm a useless idiot.

get a job get something going get a career i will tell you it is so empowering it is so good for your self-esteem if you know you can make your own money and your eventual partner is there because he wants to be there, because he's proud of you.

Maybe you're even going to make more money than he does, which is Trace's case right now.

But the fact is, I love interviewing women that kick.

S.

And today was a very, very, very special day for me because of that.

I hope you guys get inspired by her.

If you never watched the show, I highly recommend it because it's insanely fun.

and yes it's very real it's very raw and it's inspiring she's an amazing amazing amazing woman so again thank you with all my heart for doing this i hope you guys enjoyed the episode and before i let you listen to it i have to thank my sponsors because doing a podcast from scratch is an uphill battle that most people have no freaking idea, especially in my case, I can only speak for myself, of course.

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It's very organic.

It's very raw.

It's not a studio podcast.

It's not edited.

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I try to make it literally a real conversation, like I have conversations in the real world.

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It's a work of so many talented people.

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The digital issue, the February digital issue, just came out today.

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So, thanks, everyone.

I'm going to stop talking and I'm going to let you listen to this amazing episode with this amazing, amazing, amazing woman, Tracy Tudor.

And her show is on air right now on Bravo TV every Thursday.

Million-dollar listings.

It's super fun.

I hope you guys enjoy.

Many, many kisses.

Okay, guys, this is a very extra special episode of Carondeleuz for me because I admire my guest so, so much.

I was dying to talk to her.

So let me introduce you first.

Tracy Tudor, hi.

Hi.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Thanks for having me.

With all my heart.

You know, I was after you for a while, right?

I was talking a little bit on social media.

And we're obviously right down the street from each other.

It was so sweet to invite me.

So

happy to be here.

Thank you so, so much.

And let me, to people that don't know you, because maybe there are some people out there that don't know you, you're a luxury real estate agent, super successful.

You're a best-selling author.

You're on the TV show, million-dollar listing.

You do so much.

And you have a wine brand.

I guess the very first question is, how do you do it all?

How do you juggle?

And by the way, you do look fantastic.

Thank you.

Like, I don't know if you look even prettier in person, but it's incredible.

You look like a living Barbie.

How do you do it?

Honestly, sometimes I wake up and I don't know.

You know, I have to tell you, like, every day is a different day.

Luckily, in my business,

there's really no repeat moments.

So every day is different, which for me is exciting i get bored very quickly and oftentimes i'm begging for time to have nothing to do but then if i have too much time in my hands i i don't know what to do with myself so i hear i'm the same i'm grateful to be busy i'm i like having purpose and um i always feel like if i'm not striving to do more

then i'm just sort of living in this sort of mediocre existence when I know that there's just so much more out there for me to do.

I love that.

I mean, I've got two kids.

They're sort of getting to that place in their life where they're getting older.

I mean, in a few years, I'll be an empty nester.

And I feel like life is just kind of beginning.

It's like a new chapter.

I love that.

Yeah.

But I mean, okay.

So let's talk about the real estate and the TV.

I know, most people know, real estate is a very tough cutthroat business, right?

A lot of people, there's a lot of competition.

My God, I can even imagine here in Beverly Hills.

A lot of people say, I want to be a real estate agent.

I want to be a real estate agent.

Maybe they don't realize how tough it is.

And TV, I've done TV in my life before, never such a successful show like yours.

I mean, the exposure is insane and the competition and everything.

So you are juggling two super, super tough businesses.

Again, like, how do you develop this tough skin?

How do you deal with the scrutiny, the competition that it brings?

Any tips for people out there that might want to try to do what you do?

I mean,

I think it's

there's something in you that I think you know, you're either born with it or you have to work every single day to develop those kinds of skills.

I think I was born with it.

Like, I, you know, even at an early age when my dad became successful,

you know, he wasn't born with money.

And so, growing up, I always had had that

thirst for

more.

And I remember I got my first job when I was 15 because

all my friends had jobs and I wanted to have that sense of independence.

What was your first job?

Can you tell me?

I sold suits in the mall.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, and that was actually my first commission job because most of the other

Most of the other jobs in the mall that were available, you know, you'd get a discount on clothes or or whatever.

Those jobs were all taken.

So the job that I found was selling suits, but it was commission-based.

So if I sold X amount of suits per week,

I'd get a bonus.

Yeah, yeah.

And so that was like my first real introduction into like the world of sales and commission.

And I was damn good at it.

I think I naturally just sort of had that in me.

And I think probably with a little bit of background in the theatrical world, I grew up sort of dancing and acting and singing.

I don't know how I thought I was a singer, but somehow I did.

And so I was a little bit fearless in that way.

And so that's ultimately all roads after acting led back to

sales.

And when I was about 23 or 24 years old, that's when I got into real estate.

I love it.

And so I agree with you.

I think to be in real estate, you probably have to have the personality, right?

I mean, charisma for me is a big part of what separates like a good agent from, you know, a top, the top agents in the country.

And, you know, there's a lot of agents out there.

The shows that we do, for example, selling Sunset, Buying Beverly Hills, Million Dollar Listing Franchise,

Joanna Gays.

There's got to be 15 or 20 real estate shows that are either in development or currently airing.

And they're all very glamorous.

Yes.

I think that's what fascinates people, right?

Yes.

It's like the lifestyle.

The problem is, the part that they leave out is while it is, you know, you're selling luxury real estate, you know, the behind-the-scenes work that goes into that and the 70 and 80-hour work weeks.

Oh, yeah.

The paperwork.

Yeah, like that.

You don't just land with a team of assistants and marketing people.

Like, you have to build that.

So, you know, I think.

But I mean, it's TV, they show only the, they have to to show the glam more right like because that's what people want to see they people don't want to see the grind I think you know our show a little bit shows you know as much as we can of both sides you know more

more so now since I've been on the show you know they're attempting to I think make the audience kind of understand because so many real estate agents actually tune into our show

the real truth of it and sort of the guts behind you know what it really takes to to be successful but also the losses And I failed a lot along the way up this ladder.

I know, because a lot of people have the wrong impression.

Like I said, they look at the show or they look at the success and they're like, like in any business, real estate, even podcasting, right?

And people look at you like, oh, I'm going to do this.

And they think it's something that's going to happen overnight.

And I always try to say, no matter what you do in life, very likely it's an uphill battle.

Like you've got to climb the stairs.

Yeah, you've got to do the work.

And this this job in particular, because it is so competitive,

you know, you really have to grind pretty hard to get to the place where we are.

And you, you know, when you finally have a show on television, it's not because you just, you know, you landed it by accident.

I know.

You know, some of the shows may be more focused in the theatrics of it and it may be more of just a reality show.

Our show is a true

OCU series is what we like to refer to because it really is about what we're doing for a living.

Every single deal that we do,

we've done.

It's true.

It's real.

Every single

house.

So let's rewind a little bit because I want people to understand.

Let's talk about the TV show.

So Bravo starts this TV show, Million Dollar Listing, a few years ago.

I used to watch it because I do love real estate.

I think it's fascinating.

And I grew up in this area.

I've lived here on and off my entire life.

But in the beginning, it was a boys club, right?

There were all these boys.

Some of them are are gone, and they switched.

And I remember thinking, as a woman, where's the girl?

There must be like some hot chick real estate agent that is super successful.

And one day you came along,

and I didn't even know you.

I don't even think I was doing the podcast.

I don't remember.

But I was like, all right, come on.

Somebody has to represent women in this business.

It's mostly a man-dominated business, right?

Well, actually, no, there's more female real estate agents.

Oh, really?

than

men.

However, like in any industry,

most industries, the more successful people tend to be men.

Men.

Not to say that there aren't enormously successful women in our business that I admire and look up to.

Right.

But, you know, the odds are definitely in men's favor.

Yeah.

Like in any industry.

Unfortunately, that's true.

But can you tell us the story?

Like, how did you end up on the show?

How did they pick you?

I was actually working at Douglas Ellaman at the time, and Josh Altman

was showcasing a property on the show, and I actually was showing the property.

So he called me and said, hey, we're shooting this for the show.

And I was like,

today?

Like, during the showing?

And he said, yeah, so you might want to like make sure that you've got your act together.

And I was like, well, thanks for the heads up.

And I I had like two hours or something.

So I went to Intermix and like grabbed a dress and a pair of boots.

And I was just, I was a little bit mortified.

But nevertheless, I showed the property with the client.

We ended up writing an offer on the property, which created another scene for them to have to do.

So in the course of season nine of the show, which is when that was when I appeared for the first time.

And

Josh Altman and I had a lot of chemistry on camera.

Like, you know, we had a

dynamic relationship.

And after the show aired, the production called me up and said, you know, would you be interested in potentially talking to us and sort of screen testing to be, you know, the woman on the show?

It historically in the past has not worked.

We've been trying to find a woman, but it just hasn't landed.

And we'd love to kind of explore it a little bit further with you.

And,

you know, lo and behold, season 10 was my first season on on the show.

So, this season is

season 14.

My God, my time.

Five years doing that.

And you guys shoot every how does it work?

You shoot a season.

Yeah, so because we're actually shooting live real estate,

we do shoot this show almost year-round.

So, usually around 11 months.

Really?

You know, we're still doing that.

That's a ton of work.

We're airing right now, and we're, I think, halfway through the season, and we're still doing some pickup interviews

for the latter part of the season, which is pretty exciting.

Yes.

So, how does it work for people that don't understand how

they film these reality TV shows?

You tell them, like, let's say you have a listing.

I have a listing coming up.

Do you pick the listings you want to show on TV, or do they pick the listings they want to show on TV?

Because, listen, everybody has to be a willing partner in this.

Like, there's no way to shoot

some of these listings without the cooperation of our clients,

them allowing production crew into their home.

And, you know, a lot of my clients are really discerning and quite private.

So I wouldn't even ask.

So you kind of know the kind of person that's going to be willing to.

There's certain people that are very open to it, and then there's certain people who aren't.

And we decide what that looks like, and then we pitch it to our producers.

And then they have it, generally, we'll have a call with

the seller.

And then that's how we get to stage one.

Yeah.

So you and uh the the two Joshes, right?

You, Josh Altman and Josh Flagg.

Well, you guys are competition in real life, like not on T V.

You work for different companies.

No, we are all at the same company.

Oh, now you're all at the same company?

Oh, I didn't know that.

So, but that's new.

Yeah, well, Josh Altman and I have always been at Douglas Element.

Well, Josh years ago was at Hilton and Highland.

He moved to Douglas Ellaman probably six years ago,

seven years ago, and I also moved to Douglas Ellman and Josh Flagg most recently in the last year came over and joined us.

So all three of you are computing real estate agents for the same company.

Yes, but we're also very but you're very good friends so that's the question.

How, like, does it ever affect your friendships or you guys know how to divide that up?

I mean, listen, at the end of the day, it's business, right?

So if I'm going out on a listing pitch and Josh is going out on a listing pitch, I'm going to do what I can to get that listing from him if the seller decides that they want to go in a different direction and they want to go with one of the Josh then so be it you know you can't win them all right but more now I think than ever you know we're we're co-listing more properties we're doing more deals together I think we've all grown a lot too I think you know Altman's got two kids he's been married for a while life changed solar flag has been married and divorced is now in a new relationship I'm obviously have have been through more than both of them.

We're going to talk about that.

But, you know,

I think we now have a little bit more of a mature relationship with how to deal with competition between friends.

It's healthy.

It's not as

volatile as it was years ago.

And so do you have like a friendship?

Because on the show, when I watch it, it definitely seems like you guys really care for each other.

I was just texting with Flag two minutes ago, and I was like, So you guys are real

close friends in, like I say real life.

I know the two

we lean on each other on each other.

I mean the truth is I think that's super amazing.

We've got a lot of crazy clients.

And you know, sometimes at the end of the day, the only people that understand what it's like to do what we do is

each other.

So we often meet up for a cocktail.

I was with Altman, or excuse me, I was with Flag last night, and then I left and Altman came.

And, you know, so

we really are genuinely friends.

That's really nice.

I hear you.

I agree.

I think sometimes only people that are in the same business that we are kind of understand the pace and what you go through, and that's very nice.

Now, let's so you were saying you've been through a lot, yeah.

And the podcast is about sex, dating, and relationships.

So, let's talk a little bit about that.

Yeah, you were married for a long time, right?

Yes, almost 14 years.

Same, I was married for 14 years.

I know how tough it is to go through divorce.

I went, my story is very crazy because I divorced my husband to try to make him stop drinking.

But I was still living with him and taking care of him until he died.

So it's super crazy.

But I wasn't on TV.

I cannot imagine going through everything you went through.

And a lot of it was shown in the show.

You were very open about it.

And I admire that about you a lot because as a woman, I know how tough it is.

Because people look at us, everybody has something to say, a lot of critics, people that have no idea what's going on, and you were willing to put it out there.

Right.

And I remember watching the episode, like, wow, you know, this chick is tough.

So, can you share a little bit about the story?

Like,

how it happened, you went through your divorce?

I mean, listen,

any woman or man can relate to this, but when you meet someone in your 20s, and I was 24 when I met Jason,

we fell madly in love.

We got married when I was 28 years old.

We had two beautiful children together.

And then shit got complicated.

You know what I mean?

We were together for like, we were together for three and a half years before we got married.

So all in close to 18 years together.

Wow.

And I

think somewhere along the line when my career started to go in one direction, of which he was really supportive of,

I think

I started to get the feeling that he felt that that was coming first.

Did I agree with him?

Of course not.

But I wanted to be able to be both things.

And I think that there was still

an understanding and sort of a traditional mindset that Jason had that why wasn't I, you know, more attuned to him.

And I'm like thinking to myself, let's see.

Well, I'm 35 years old.

I've got two kids under the age of eight.

I'm trying to run a business so I can make money and pay the bills.

Was he in real estate as well?

He was a contractor, is a contractor.

And, you know, while he was able to bring financially to the relationship, I was

earning more.

So you were the more successful partner?

Yes.

So I think, you know, that was a difficult thing to, I think, manage in our relationship and remains a difficult thing to manage for me in my dating life.

But, you know, as things sort of grew resentments built up

you know

it just ended up going in the direction that I I decided ultimately that I wanted to do this TV show and that was when we were probably was he supportive of it

he was no not supportive no but do you think that's a tough question do you think he was not supportive because

your success was bothering him?

Or do you think maybe he was jealous of your success or jealous of you?

Like, no, I don't want my wife out there on TV.

I think that, you know, from his perspective, and which, you know, I've done a lot of work on this, obviously, and I think him and I are in a much different place.

But I think from his perspective, he felt like I was choosing, again, career and opportunity over the family.

Oh, yeah.

Over him, right?

Which is obviously not the case.

That was not the case.

I had been selling real estate for

17 years, I think, by the time I had even appeared on the show.

And it took me a long time to get even to the place where I was successful enough to even be considered for a role on that show.

So when I got that opportunity, I wasn't about to turn it down.

I said, you know, so many people are taking these different opportunities.

These real estate

reality shows can bring you a lot of business.

And candidly, at the time, I was still struggling to win listings, you know, in my own right.

You know, people still thought I was a mom and a wife and I had money and I don't really need to work and I didn't have the hustle.

Well, it turns out they were all fucking wrong, right?

Right.

Yeah, people see what they want to see.

Like, they make assumptions about

and it's like, yeah, I do.

I hear that a lot.

I hear that a lot.

But I think ultimately that's where resent, the resentment built to the point where it just wasn't

something that I was happy.

He was gaslighting me consistently.

You see that on the show.

The first season was.

He was on the show.

He was on the show on season 10 very briefly.

But if you flash back to some of those episodes, I mean, he gaslights me about not knowing my kids' ages.

I mean, this is something that I'm talking about.

But like behind the scenes, so he was willing to do a few scenes for the show, but behind the scenes, he wasn't being supportive of you on the show.

Well, and even when he was on the show, quote-unquote, supporting me, he was gaslighting me on camera and making me look shitty.

Like, yeah, like, we don't know you, like, when we watch the show, but I mean, at least I think most people, I noticed, like, there is a little, there's something going on there.

There's like a little tension.

I didn't like very much the way, I don't remember it was some dinner or some scene that I don't remember the details, but yeah, I thought he was being like, why would you talk to her like that on camera?

100%.

Like, we would hope that your partner, especially if they are on camera, off-camera, of course, but if they're on camera, like, they're going to say something super supportive and nice, right?

Which he did not.

Yeah, you know, I mean, that was a big realization for me.

I was obviously going through

a lot of problems during that first season of the show, and I had decided to get a divorce long before the show had aired.

Oh, okay.

But let me ask, so we know because I know you gave other podcast interviews about it, he cheated on you.

He was cheating on you, right?

He did have an affair.

You know, that I've only shared very recently.

Right.

I saw it with Jeff Lewis.

Yeah.

I couldn't believe how you were so open.

That's a tough one to talk about as well.

I don't think I could have talked about it.

It's painful, right?

Well, it's been five years, right?

I don't think I could have ever spoken about it two years ago, a year following the divorce, or even three or four years.

It only became recently where I felt comfortable sharing it.

And

I didn't plan it.

I really didn't.

It just

organically happened.

And I kind of like

shook myself after and was like, Did I just like let the world know what just had gone down in my marriage?

And I did.

And Jason was hurt by that.

And I said, Look, the bottom line is this is something that you and I have gone through together that I've sort of shielded

our kids from for a long time.

I

shielded him from it for a long time.

And even his wife, who I have a great relationship with now.

Oh, he remarried?

Yes.

The girl he was cheating with?

Yes.

Wow, okay.

And, you know, but you're good now.

We're very good.

Oh, that's great.

And the god's honest truth is, while it was hard for him to sort of process that, I sort of let the cat out of the bag, if you will, I said to him, you know, the only reason that I felt comfortable enough to just let it go

is because we are in a good place.

And I know that it was very tough for him to understand in the moment.

But ultimately, you know, we got through it.

And,

you know, his wife is wonderful.

They're incredibly happy together.

Our divorce was inevitable.

The cheating was not.

the only reason.

Right.

We got it.

We were on our way.

Honestly, I know this is like a bizarre thing to say, but had he not done that,

both of us could still be sitting in this relationship, hemming and hawing about whether or not to make the move.

So as crazy as it sounds, you know, today

I'm happier that that happened as much shit as I had to go through and as painful as it was and as betrayed as I felt and I'm sure as, you know, he's felt,

you know, we're on the other side of it and we're raising our two girls and his wife is lovely and you know

and I think yeah some a lot of people are when they're going through divorce yeah it's something so tough to go through especially when you have kids involved and a lot of people wonder like how am I gonna recover how am I ever gonna be happy again yeah but you're like living proof that it's totally possible to rebuild your life and many times things happen for the best well people often think that there's no way they could have a relationship with their ex-husband while they're living in that space of

they just think it's an impossibility.

Yeah.

And I'm like living proof

that despite the dark times that Jason and I went through with our children as a family, we've come out the other side.

That's super nice.

And I feel really good about it.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

And I think it's something that,

you know, more people and more couples that are going through a difficult time need to realize that there is another

like another story to be told sometimes things happen for a reason people overgrow each other there are a lot like a lot of components

outgrow each other yet they still sit in the same shit yes yes and sometimes because usually somebody has to have the balls to pull the plug and so but no one generally has the balls and that's why affairs happen yeah because totally you don't have the balls to be honest with yourself and i obviously didn't either i I mean, I let it go so long that, you know, obviously this is what ended up happening in our marriage.

1 million percent.

I think if both people in a relationship realize that that's a piece of it, then maybe they'll be...

And that there's recovery from it.

And that you can be friends again.

Totally.

And you can parent your kids, and your kids are going to be better for it.

I agree.

Kids, I think at the end of the day, they want to see their parents happy.

Yes.

Most kids.

Well, and you also want to be able to show your kids a healthy relationship and how to recover from falling on your face and what it looks like to get back up again.

And that to me is what raises healthy young adults to have.

And I'm telling you, as a woman, I really admire that about you because obviously, like you said, people look from the outside.

Oh, she's gorgeous.

She's rich.

Everything is fabulous.

But you went through a really tough time.

It's not easy by any means.

And like I said, on top of it, everybody was watching it, which just magnifies the issue.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I was vilified, like,

I had done something.

You know, like, I was like a workaholic.

How could you leave your children and your husband at home?

And that was really tough to take for a while.

I know, it's horrible.

But at the end of the day, I had to kind of like, you know, keep really close with my inner circle that was giving me positive vibes.

And I got through the other side of it.

And look, it turns out, you know, the fans that probably didn't take to me the first season on the show have now warmed up to me and know that I am all the things that they thought I wasn't.

I'm vulnerable.

I'm emotional.

I'm fragile and strong and funny and all of those things.

But I can also be sexy at the same time.

Of course.

And you are.

And you're dating.

Yeah.

And you're happy.

How long has it been now?

I've been with Eric for about three years.

Three years.

Amazing.

Can you tell us a little bit about it?

Like, how did you meet?

For people that don't know you, that's a cool story, too.

I had been dating,

you know, I had had a couple different relationships after my marriage.

And I just,

I wasn't like ready to pull the trigger again on

really sort of settling into something.

And

believe it or not, Frederick Eklund and his CEO, Julia, said, you know, you should go train at this, now that you live in Beverly Hills, there's this gym called Dog Pound, la la la, and there's a great trainer there.

That's where you should train.

And I was like, okay great so i signed up with this eric guy and me and my friend that is andrew were training with him and you know

i i don't know what happened but like one day he just kind of kissed me and it wasn't anything i expected i never saw it coming not even for you guys weren't you guys weren't like flirting no because usually with the trainer we kind of keep like professional the distance it was very professional but i mean he was like he was feisty and he was a younger guy, and he trained another friend of mine and went to my other friend and said, can you like set it up so that Tracy shows up to this thing?

Like, I kind of have a mini crush on her or whatever.

And so I did.

Oh, really?

Oh, my God, that's so cool.

Anyway,

that's sort of how it went down.

So you're dating Eric and he was your personal trainer.

And again,

you put it on the TV show, which is very brave.

People saw it.

Judgy!

Exactly.

So let's talk about judgment because I get that all the time, and I think we get that all the time.

And to me, it's so annoying because people don't know us, like, but they're very quick to judge.

And what you're doing breaks a lot of stereotypes because, again, you're the most powerful one.

I'm assuming you make more money than he does.

You're on TV, he's not, and he's younger.

And a lot, like, if he was an older guy with a younger woman, which happens a million times all over the place, people don't say anything.

But when it's a powerful, gorgeous, hot, sexy woman and the guy's younger, everybody criticizes.

So, how did you deal with it?

Or did you get a lot of criticism from it?

Yeah, I mean,

definitely.

And I think on some level I anticipated it, you know,

because I'm...

I'm on a TV show and you have to expect certain things like that to happen.

But what I found sort of fascinating is a lot of i'd say 80 to 90 percent of the judgment that was happening uh on social media was from women exactly and i'm like isn't that hurtful like women should be supportive of each other i cannot stand when this happens yeah but this is just this was this is

you know, thousands of years of training and like the way we were brought up and history and evolution.

Like,

until that script changes,

over and over and over again, there isn't going to be a shift.

And that's something that I obviously talk about a lot,

you know, about women supporting other women and sort of breaking barriers and that you can be more than just a mom.

You can be a sexy mom.

You can be a successful mom.

You can be a white.

You can be a lot of different things.

And if we continue to put each other in boxes that we can only be be defined by,

you know, a white picket fence and two plus beautiful children and living in the palisades,

like we are limiting ourselves and we are our biggest critics.

And that's one million.

I know, and that's what I keep talking about the podcast.

And it's one of the major reasons why I wanted to meet you, because I feel like you're empowering women.

And by showing your story, and say, yes, I'm dating this guy, and we're super happy.

You're like literally breaking these barriers.

And it's what I try to do.

Like we were talking before before the podcast, when I talk about sex, when I started talking about certain things, I realized that so many people want to speak up, but the way they're brought up,

oh, it's dirty.

Oh my god, oh, she's such a whore, right?

She fucks different men every night because they have these stereotypes in their mind.

And I'm constantly trying to open up the dialogue.

And when I saw your story out there, I'm like, thank you.

Yeah, you're super hot.

You're super successful.

Who cares what age is your boyfriend?

No.

I mean, I,

I, you know,

you can't change people's minds overnight.

You just have to continue to do what's right for you.

And that's how I've chosen to live.

And I love that.

If that helps other women celebrate themselves in a different way, be it, you know, be more proud of their bodies that they're living in, be proud of

their ability to leave a marriage that they've been unhappy in for 10 years or their opportunity to take a job that they never thought they could handle.

Like, I just want to sort of lift women up and hey, take the crown, sister.

Exactly.

You know what I mean?

Like I don't.

I'm just a girl, sister.

I am true.

1 million percent.

And I think stronger,

we're stronger together.

Like instead of criticizing each other and feeling like every woman is your competition, right?

If you're supportive of each other, we give a voice

to women doing anything they want to do.

And yeah, when I see, and sometimes I know people do that on your social media a lot, and they do it on mine, and mine is like infinitely smaller than yours, but they like ha

have something nasty to say.

And I always reply back, like, you're entitled to your opinion, but there's like over a billion active accounts in the world.

If you're watching someone and you don't like them, why are you gonna like waste your time to put something negative there?

You know what I mean?

I just don't understand people doing that.

There's trolls out there, there's bots out there.

Like,

they're there for a reason.

You know, they really only have a problem with looking at themselves in the mirror, which is why they are commenting on your

but how do you deal with this criticism?

Like,

I'm sure now maybe you got used to it, but like in the beginning, did it bother you?

Did it hurt you?

I still have moments where where I, you know, it depends on my mood that day.

It depends on what I've been through.

It depends on how fragile I'm feeling, whatever my emotional space is at the time.

Sometimes I'll clap back, you know, and sometimes I just ignore it, and sometimes I just delete.

And sometimes I miss it.

And then I catch up on it later.

I'm like, wow, there's been like 50 comments of people that are my friends or fans on social media that will, you know, directly confront,

you know, someone that's trolling my account, which, you know, I just think it's important.

I like to see women celebrating other women.

So when a woman sort of slams me

for whatever reason, you know, thinking that I've, you know, completely reconstructed my face with plastic surgery or

commenting on my boyfriend or what it is that I look like today.

You look insane, by the way.

Yeah, like major body goals.

Thank you.

But But the truth is, you know, it's really nice to see other women from all over the country and even outside of the country be like, uh-uh, that's not okay.

We need to celebrate.

Right, yeah.

It's nice to see that I'm having that effect on at least the

small following that I'm not going to be able to do.

The majority is positive, right?

100%.

Thank goodness.

Yeah.

I think we just got to ignore like the haters.

That's basically what I try to do.

I think usually when somebody's hating on you, it's something about themselves

that they're unhappy with.

Of course.

That they have to spend their time like criticizing what we do.

Well, you know, every once in a while you just got to have fun with it and remind yourself that it's just the internet and it's just not that deep.

These people are in your line.

You can't let them penetrate your soul.

Exactly.

We did a, Josh Flagg and I did a I love you guys together so much.

We were reading out mean tweets.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and I was like, you guys got to really bring it.

If you want us to read these out loud, you better be a little bit meaner because these are sort of wishy-washy mean.

Oh my gosh.

But you really, you have to get to the place where you just can't let it penetrate like really, truly where you are.

And I'm only genuinely affected when

I personally have had a tough day.

You know, not

in my typical day-to-day.

And your daughters are supportive, get along with him.

100%.

That's fantastic.

You said they're 14 and 16 now.

Usually it will be 17 and 18.

Oh, my goodness.

That is super, super amazing.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Before I let you go, I asked this question to a lot of my guests, and it's been controversial because

the answers are very divided.

So I want to know your opinion because we're talking about men and dating and your divorce and your new relationship.

Do you think most men, I say most because I get all this message like, I'm not like that, but do you think most men are intimidated by women who are powerful, successful, gorgeous, make more money than they do or not?

No, I actually think that

men in Eric's generation

and the generation even after him tend to be attracted to women that are successful.

Just we're a little more like...

We're confident, you know, and I think that the younger generation appreciates that.

I think it's the more traditional older generations that like the idea of me,

but really truly are like, wow, that's a lot.

Yes, that's like a lot to me.

Yeah, like me.

I have enough going on.

Like, I just want to come home and have my wife make

dinner.

Yeah.

Don't cause trouble.

Yeah, just shut your mouth.

Exactly.

And you'll get like a cartier bracelet or something.

Exactly.

No, that's exactly what happens to me.

I don't have the ability to shut my mouth at all.

Me neither.

Yeah, I know.

Exactly.

I love that.

And I kind of agree, but I do think most men are because of that.

Maybe the younger ones aren't, but I think maybe our age and older, because I always dated much older men than me.

My husband was 22 years older.

And then the past few years that I've been trying to date, I kind of follow the pattern of like the successful executive, la la la la.

And they're older than me, and it always ends up in disaster because of this reason.

In the beginning, they're like, I totally support the podcast, I support your photo shoots.

And then it bothers them because they don't want an outspoken woman doing all this shit.

And I'm like, I'm not going to stop doing anything that I'm doing.

So now I'm like, a lot of people tell me that maybe I should start trying to date younger or my age or younger because they're more open-minded.

Yeah, I mean, I think you have to keep, I just think you have to operate from a place of whatever organically works is what organically works.

I didn't go out and look for a 28-year-old boyfriend.

Right, I know.

That was like

not on my bucket list.

Like, you know, whatever.

It just, it just happened that way.

And, you know, I'm going to celebrate that and I'm going to talk about it because I think it's important.

And when it doesn't serve me, I won't be in it anymore.

That's one thing I learned about going through a divorce is that why would I wait another fucking 14 years

to

wait until I'm unhappy again?

Like if I'm starting to feel like there's not a future there, there, then I'll address it and Eric and I will part ways.

And until then,

you know, I'm going to live in the moment.

I'm going to be happy.

And if the haters don't like it, then that's their problem.

No, 1 million percent.

And I think life happens now, right?

You got to find your happiness now, today.

Today, we don't know what's going to happen 10 years from now.

We don't even know if we're going to be around in this crazy, crazy world.

You're amazing.

You're so inspiring.

I am insanely grateful and humble

and so honored that you're here.

I loved you before and I love you even more now.

And I hope to God, because there are women listening to this all over the world, which I'm really happy.

I hope you girls listen to the message, which is be happy, be in a relationship that is fulfilling to you and ignore what other people say, right?

And take chances.

Take chances, yeah.

Like I said, this wasn't something that I thought was going to happen to me, and it did.

And he's taught me quite a a lot about myself.

He's helped me find my inner happiness.

I'm healthier.

I'm happier and that's a beautiful thing.

Yeah, we have to throw in one little sex question there because it's sex dating relationships.

So I'm assuming sex is hot and heavy and fabulous.

I mean

sex is pretty good.

I'm not going to lie.

It's a little bit of a problem.

You can't complain about the part.

I cannot complain.

It has to be, right?

I think it's such a huge part.

It should be such a a huge important part in any relationship, right?

It's incredibly important.

It's connection, it's affection.

Yeah.

And that's not something I want to shy away from anytime soon.

Good for you.

And it's really good for your skin, you know, that.

Like scientifically.

I'm glowing.

You are glowing.

And I tell women that it's scientifically proven.

Like if you see a woman with really good glowing skin, very likely they're having fantastic sex.

Yeah.

No, I mean, I need more.

Okay, Eric.

Hello, if you're listening, she's coming home.

Thank you.

You're amazing.

This was a fantastic cat on the loose.

And I'll see you guys very soon.

I'm like getting emotional.

I'm like, I cry.

I'm not kidding.

When I get emotional and I cry.

I'll see you guys soon.

I love you.

Thank you.

And before I let you guys go, I have to remind you, in case you love fashion as much as I do, there is an up-and-coming designer from New York.

His name is Ron Dice.

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His fashion show is going to be at a place in Brooklyn on February 12th.

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