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Hey guys, happy Tuesday.

So this is going to be a sex-packed episode.

So fair warning, I am doing a super fun pod swap with a podcast that I love because I love talking about sex.

Let's be honest about it.

So, I'm here with the host of a podcast called Sex and Bacon, Sarah Hughes.

Hi, Sarah.

Hello, good morning.

Thank you for having me.

Thank you so much for doing this.

And I don't even know where to start because I have a lot of questions, but let's explain what we're doing.

First, I'm going to interview you for Cat on the Loose, and we're going to do one episode, and then we're going to swap.

And you're going to interview me for your podcast, Sex and Bacon, correct?

Absolutely, yes.

And your podcast, Sex and Bacon, is about sex.

It's about sex.

It's about social stigmas.

It's about, you know, judgment and everything that women face and deal with in the sex industry,

entertainment industry, all of that fun stuff.

I hear you because I try to, as much as I never worked in the sex industry, so to speak,

we have a ton of taboos here in the United States.

And let's talk about that too, because you're in Canada.

I'm in the United States.

I want to know if you think there's any difference in cultures because because I've lived here pretty much my whole life and I always say that and most people agree with me.

I think in general Americans are very uptight when it comes to talking about sex, believe it or not.

It's, I cannot believe this day and age, it's still taboo for most women to talk about it, to express themselves with their partners,

to say what they want in bed.

It's like absurd to me.

And I don't know if you have the same perspective in Canada.

I do actually.

And I think, like, North America as a whole is probably one of the worst places for

sex, sex culture.

Like, we are so closed-minded.

People judge people to no extent.

However, though, I do think the U.S.

has a little bit more grace than what we do in Canada.

Like, in Washington, I just want, sorry, more grace, like in Washington.

Like,

things are more accepted, right?

Like, the strip clubs and strippers and those type of things and lifestyle clubs, you guys have a lot more of it.

So I think it's almost like people go to Vegas specifically to go see strippers because it's like that's the big thing there.

Yeah.

Whereas here in Canada, I think it still has even more judgment than what you guys have.

And you guys still have a lot as well.

Yes, 1 million percent.

But let's rewind a little bit.

Let's start from the beginning.

Because first, I love the name of the podcast.

Can you explain to us sex and and bacon i think most human beings on the planet love both even if you don't like regular bacon because i know a lot of people are gonna say but even if it's turkey bacon but sex is fabulous and bacon is fabulous how did you come up with that

okay so when i was like god probably 17 i got a chinese symbol tattooed on the back of my neck and when i was really young i was always obsessed with sex and i was obsessed with i don't know being horny whatever i wanted to know and i wanted a good couldn't wait to do it.

And so, I got this Chinese symbol tattooed on the back of my neck that says sex.

And I've had it for, you know, well over 20 years.

And then underneath it, I had a tattoo of like the Aquarius waterline.

And I mean, they're old.

And some one day, this guy at work asked me if those were bacon strips tattooed on the back of my neck.

And I was like, no.

So we made a joke about like, I was going to start an OnlyFans.

OnlyFans called

Sexy Bacon, like just do like food porn.

Oh my god, that would be super famous.

I think that would be

a little trigger on it.

But yeah, so that's kind of where the name came of sex and bacon.

But also, if you think about when women talk about sex, we usually talk about sex first thing in the morning.

You call your girlfriend, so technically it's like over breakfast, the whole bacon breakfast, you know.

Yeah, so no, I love, and I think sex, I actually talked about it in some other episode of my podcast.

I don't remember that.

I think, oh yeah, I was doing an episode.

There's a super cool restaurant.

When you come to LA, I'll take you there.

It's called

Better Than Sex.

And it's a desserts-only restaurant.

They serve this crazy sexy desserts with the sexual names and super sexy drinks.

So, I mean, you go there.

And if you're not in the mood for sex, I mean, you're a lost cause.

No kidding.

And yeah, I was saying that for me, because I love to eat and I like to drink, food is always foreplay.

Like before,

after,

right?

Like after you have great sex, I have this delicious hunger.

I think the hunger after sex is different than regular hunger, right?

So I love that.

When I read the name of your podcast, I'm like, I got to talk to this chick because I'm sure she's super cool.

Okay, so you have the podcast, Sex and Baker.

You said you started thinking about sex just so my audience gets to know you a little bit.

At a very early age, age.

Meet you major taboo coming from a Catholic mom from Brazil and Italy, a super, super conservative dad from France.

It was always major taboo.

And I was always like, I don't understand why.

How young were you that you started thinking and talking about sex in your case?

You know what?

Okay, so I've had a couple people like guys on dates ask me this and they think that like maybe at a young age I was just overexposed to things and maybe that's why it was like a hyper focus in my mind but I had a cousin who's exactly 10 years older than me

and we used to spend holidays together multiple times a year and I would hang out with her in her room and she would tell me all the sex stories of all the guys that she was sleeping with and I mean she was probably 15 at the time because she would have had her She had her first daughter when she was like 15-ish, 16.

Wow.

And I mean, like, I'm probably like a six, seven-year-old little girl that grew up listening to her talk about sex.

And I just became like fascinated.

And she made it sound so good.

And I remember the one story she told me was about how she was having sex with her boyfriend.

And then his friend showed up.

And the boyfriend went to the bathroom.

And he came out.

And she was sleeping with his friend.

And I remember at the time thinking, I cannot wait to get grow up so that I can have sex with two guys at the same time.

So I never did that.

That's one of my fans.

I want to talk about that.

That's one.

I did threesomes, but like a girl, I never had two guys in my life but i think a lot of women have this fantasy a little bit in their head right yeah yeah so how old were you the first time you had sex

um i think i lost my virginity probably i guess at the time to compare to my friend i'd say i was older than them but i was probably like 15 ish which I grew up in a small town and everybody was having sex at the age of like 13, 14.

Yeah.

I thought I was a late bloomer at the age of 15, but you know.

I never said that before on my podcast, but you know, with all fairness, since I said to Scratch, I'll say it too.

I lost my Virginia when I was 15.

But it was the opposite in my case because I was on vacation in Brazil on this beach town that we used to go to, and it was a huge scandal with my girlfriends.

I remember when I told my two best friends, they like totally ostracized me, like I was a whore.

Oh, okay.

They didn't want to be friends with me anymore.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

And it was with a boy.

It's kind of like a really fun, beautiful story because I had this major crush on this boy.

I was best friends with his sister.

Major crush, major crush, major crush.

So every summer that I would go there on vacation, we would make out la la la.

Then this summer, finally, we had sex.

And of course, it was horrible the first time.

But to this day, we're friends.

We kept in touch, in touch, in touch for 20 years, for a very, very long time.

Wow.

Yes.

And like, he got married, he had kids, la la la.

So, yeah, but yeah, it was horrible.

See, that sounds like something I would have read out of a romance novel at a really young age of like, you know, like your summer vacation, the hot guy, you keep going back, it's like this built-up thing.

That's exactly how every girl is.

Yeah, but he was older than me.

Yeah, so he was kind of like, you know, mean to me, like, cause like, oh, you're just a kid, and I'm like this 18-year-old boy, and I'm so fucking hot.

So after we had sex, well, i mean we did flirt and shit a few more times but that was it you know because i i was just like the stupid kid that he wasn't interested in yeah of course right

okay so you had sex at a young age yourself can you tell us the background of like what you did before in terms of work

Like before I started doing podcasting.

Yes.

Did you, were you a stripper or did you do any kind of work?

Yeah, that's the part I want to know.

Because I did interview strippers before.

By the way, I did a really cool episode, like you were talking about Vegas.

I was invited by one of the most famous strip clubs in Las Vegas.

It's called Sapphire.

And they said, hey, come do an episode here.

So I went to their pool party.

And it was so much fun.

And it was the first time I talked to strippers because I'm trying to, I was like, I got to demystify this image, this horrible image people have.

Like that they're horse and they're nasty and they're horrible human beings.

And they were super cool chicks yeah a lot of them are entrepreneurs a lot of them are in serious relationships i had so much fun so now i want to know about your experience can you tell us how you started how it was

yeah so the very funny enough the very first time i ever stripped on stage i was underage um

and it was something like in the hometown that i grew up like at a young age back when you could go to bars and you didn't have to be id and i was there with some friends i was probably 16 and uh

the girl that was doing her show, and she, we were kind of singing along, and then she called us up on stage with her.

So we, me and my girlfriend, got up on stage.

They played the song Barbie Girl.

That was the first time I'd ever heard that.

And we walked around and we stripped on stage to Barbie Girl.

And guys just threw money at us.

And I mean, I was 16.

I didn't have any boots.

I probably never shaved a day in my life.

How?

Okay, so, but you were underage in Canada is under 18, right?

Under 18, yeah.

okay yeah considered underage I'm not I went home that night with like $400 for five minutes of my life and I was like this is insane right so but technically you are not supposed to be there right when you're 16

okay but you voluntarily did it so let's make that clear

yes yes yeah so then you're like I'm gonna get this job Well, no, because like I just never felt like I was pretty enough or I didn't have the body and I didn't have any boobs.

So, but I just became fascinated with like them and I thought they were so like stunning.

And so my dream was to become a waitress in a strip club.

And that's what I did.

I moved from Grand Prairie small town to Edmonton.

I got I had gotten a breast implants by then and I started serving in a strip club and I did that for a few years.

And then I was in like a car accident and I couldn't work waitress anymore.

I had an injured hand.

And so basically my girlfriend who did private parties, she's like, come do these private parties.

It's topless waitressing, poker dealing.

And so I started doing that, bachelor parties.

And then that just progressed from, you know, you're being shy to like walking around without a bra until all of a sudden, next thing, you know, you're stripping, you're doing girl-on-girl shows, you're doing dildo shows, you're, you know, all of that stuff.

And then I did that for probably about 10 years.

Wow.

You get more and more comfortable doing it.

Not really.

How do people treat you?

Like, does your family know about it?

Is it kind of like an underground industry as it is because in the united states

um like

i know you said people don't treat you as badly i guess but it's still very underground i don't care what anybody says like the image it's not mainstream like even going to vegas I tell my friends, hey, I'm going to go there.

What's the problem?

Because to me, looking at beautiful people, and I'm not bisexual.

I like men.

But when I go to a strip club, like with my guy, because I've done that in the past, I think think it's far-play too, looking at beautiful people.

I don't think they're, I don't have any problem with that.

But here, to most people, it's not mainstream.

It's almost like you gotta not tell anyone, and it's like this dirty little secret.

And a lot of girls are super jealous.

Oh, I'm not gonna let my boyfriend go to a strip club.

I'm like, why not?

They're gonna do it behind your back if you don't.

Just let men be men.

Let them play.

That's kind of how people treat strip clubs and strippers in the United States.

Is it the same for you there?

It is very much so.

It is like that whole like the whole stigma of like, oh, your boyfriend's going to strip club.

It's like he might as well just be cheating on you is the way that most women look at it.

And I mean it's insecurities, right?

You'll get the young groups of girls, like the 18 and 19 year old groups of girls that'll go to the strip club together, you know, on like cheap night and they think it's hilarious and fun.

But women or, you know, older girls, yes, most definitely, it is that very shamed, you know, my husband was talking to the stripper, and like, oh, she's just a fucking whore.

Yeah, it does, it does have that stigma for sure.

And, but how about like for your personal life?

Did your family know what you did?

No, I hid it from my mom and like that side of the family for years.

I think my mom eventually kind of like knew, but I would never admit it, never talk about it.

Um, and I had a kid too, so like that was kind of my feeling.

I had a kid when I was 18.

So, my god, yeah, so I very much kept my life very separate.

My dad knew, and my dad was always supportive.

He always from the beginning was like, you know what, I'm just so proud of you that you're beautiful and you can make money from doing that, and you take care of your kid.

So I was like, Okay, cool.

Isn't it amazing that so many times the judgment comes a lot more from women than from men, which breaks my heart

because I think I can't stand when women criticize each other.

I think it's a personal choice what you do with your life, with your body, with our careers.

But I see many times men are a lot more supportive, like, hey, girl, do your thing.

And then girls are like so fast trashing other girls.

Oh, yeah.

And it's funny because if a man supports it, they think, oh, you want to fuck her.

That's the only reason why you support it.

Yes.

In all reality, it's not.

It's men.

have less emotional attachment to what other people do.

Yeah.

Where women become so emotionally attached to what somebody else is doing, like we're personally doing something against them.

Yeah.

But it's an insecurity within themselves.

Totally.

I agree.

Yeah.

Because most women wouldn't do it.

This is my, I have this theory, and I said that when I was doing the episode that on Sapphire, I think most women or a lot of women have this fantasy, like, oh my God, I wish I had the boss to be on that stage and be this sex symbol.

I wish I would dance on the sex pole, you know.

I wish I could do all these things, but they're never gonna fulfill it and they're never gonna say it out loud.

So when they see the girls there, it's easier to hate on them than to say it.

Hey, I, because I honestly admire, I never stripped in my life, but like when I did the, but I mean, I've been an actor, a model, I love the camera.

Obviously, we have decided I love attention.

I would totally do it.

It's definitely a fantasy that I had like, oh, I want to be on that stage, even if for like a night, just for fun, you know.

But I never did it, but I admire the girls that do it.

I think it's a tough job, and it takes a lot of courage, a lot of balls, a lot of self-esteem.

Yeah.

Oh, and it's a grind.

Like, there is nothing easy about being a

stripper.

I mean, you are hustling your ass off.

You are, you have

mentally become so drained at the end of the night for all the conversation that you have to have with guys to get money and all of those things.

Like, it's not like it's just an easy job.

Do you know what I mean?

Oh my god, I don't think it's easy.

Actually, no, I don't think it's easy by any means.

I think it's obviously physically extremely demanding.

You have to be in insanely great shape.

Dancers, if you're a dancer, I was a ballet dancer for many, many years since I was four.

And it destroys your body after a few years.

Like, if you're a pro, I think only professional dancers know what a tough job it is to be dancing there almost every night.

And many times you're in your heels, right?

Most of the time, right?

You're wearing heels.

Oh, yeah.

And

it's tough.

And like you said, then the hustle and the grind.

I mean, I don't think it's easy by any means.

No, but you know what?

I went traded for the world.

I had so much fun in that 10-year period.

Don't get me wrong.

There were times where it's like you're exhausted.

Yeah.

But it was just like the camaraderie that you build with the girls that you work with.

And

it really was rewarding.

I found it to be probably one of the most fulfilling things that I did in those, in that 10 years.

It provided an amazing life for me and my kid.

I built so many friendships that I have with girls that I've known now for 20 years.

And

the shits and giggles, let's be real.

The shits and giggles that come out of some of the stuff that you guys

did or that girls do.

Yeah.

Yeah, I went traded.

So, can you debunk two myths then, again, I think a lot of people have, and I know they're not true, but and I disagree completely.

The first myth is most people think, think, oh, every stripper is also a hooker.

At the end of the night, they want to take their clients home.

Do you think that's true or not?

No, it's not.

I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but that happens in any job.

I have people who are accountants as friends.

And at the end of the night, if a man is offering them money to go home with them and it's the right amount, they're going to go home with them because who doesn't like money, period.

Strippers, no.

Yes, does it happen?

For sure.

But that is not every girl that works in that industry is also an escort, they don't cross over that way.

No, right, yeah, because I remember again when I was at the Sapphire Club, some of the girls said, Yeah, maybe I'll go home with the guy if I want to, but it's absurd to think that every

and and she even jokes, she's like, We don't want to take your man away, like because couples are afraid of it, like the girls are insecure.

She's like, We don't want to take your man away, we want him to spend money here at the club.

It's entertainment, like anything else, like a casino, like a bar, like whatever.

You know, myth number two.

And I hear that all the time, and I think it's funny.

Many times people say, Oh, they're miserable.

I feel so sorry for them.

They don't want to be there.

Oh my god, I feel so bad for them that they have to strip, that they have to be a waitress at the club.

It's not true that all the girls there are miserable.

A lot of them really enjoy the work, correct?

Totally, totally.

I was more miserable working a desk job a nine to five, and I complained more working there than I think I ever did.

Do you have a bad day?

Absolutely.

Do you have a bad night?

Customers maybe aren't paying.

You've been on your feet.

You know, you're tired.

You want to go home.

It's getting late.

That's in any job.

But no, we choose to be there.

Yeah.

I don't like when people, like, again, I never worked at a club in my life, but I met a ton of really happy,

successful women.

Like you said, a lot of them are single moms, yes, but some of them maybe are supporting their families, some of them are starting their life over in a new city.

There's like so many putting themselves through college, totally.

There are like so many different stories, and a lot of them are like, you know, I love what I do.

Like you said, I don't want to be stuck in a desk making $18 an hour.

I meet a ton of people.

It's building me up to other opportunities.

So that's why I like to demystify this industry.

Like they're all a bunch of like crazy whores on drugs, which is not true.

Most of the girls never even do drugs, correct?

Because they have like this super clean, healthy lifestyle.

Yeah, I never did.

You know what?

I was always the driver.

I always liked being the sober one.

Yeah, did I work with girls that got annihilated every night?

Absolutely.

I was always the one who stayed, you know, in control of the money, in control of the conversations, in control of what we were doing, right?

Was there the odd night where I was like, hey, you know what?

I'm going to drink tonight.

Yeah, okay, no problem.

We'll be the responsible one, right?

Like, it's not like that.

And especially in a lot of clubs, a lot of clubs don't let the girls get drunk and do things like that because it, it would ruin customer, you know, service and the business.

So, no, that's not, that's not the case.

Yeah, totally.

Uh, now, how do you feel about the porn industry?

Did you ever do porn?

Would you ever do porn?

Okay, so funny enough, that's on like I have like a sex bucket list.

Okay, and uh, yeah, we're gonna talk about

there.

Doing porn is on the bucket list.

One time I would do it.

You would do it, You would do porn one time.

One time.

It's on my bucket list just to see.

I don't know if it'll ever happen.

So why did you not?

Okay, so why did you not

so far?

You know what?

That's not something that's as common up here for transitions.

So what's more common up here is you'll have girls who work in like a club, they do bachelor parties, and then webcamming was really big back when I was tripping.

So we knew a lot of men and guys who owned businesses with like rooms where girls could come and do webcamming.

But porn so much up here wasn't as big.

Out east in Ontario, there is a little bit more of like a porn industry, but on a smaller scale.

But it's not as easy to kind of switch into or transition into up in Canada and work in that industry.

But I mean, you know that in the United States, it's huge.

And you're very, very beautiful.

You guys can go to my Instagram accounts because we're going to put the videos there on Instagram and YouTube.

She's gorgeous.

I mean, if you wanted to, I would guess all you have to do is like reach out to like some company tonight and say, Hey, I want to do one fantastic episode.

Do you want to have me?

I'm not in the porn industry.

I don't know anybody in the porn industry.

But I would guess with your background and your body and how comfortable you are talking about sex.

I mean, I would guess that, like, totally, let's do it.

Let's do like a sex and food fabulous episode for you.

Yeah, no doubt.

Okay.

I don't know that I ever thought that they got paid very well, to be honest.

Like, I think that was one thing that I always thought the pay was maybe not the greatest.

I knew two guys who worked in porn.

And the one that was a Canadian, he said that for a guy, it can be really hard to work your way up.

Yeah.

And so he was, he was a good-looking guy.

He was a male stripper to start.

And he said said that, yes, there's a lot of videos he has to do that he doesn't get paid well for.

And they're not people he would normally choose to be in a video with, but to work his way up.

So I think that kind of really like turned me off.

I was like, I don't want to be stuck having sex with some big fat gross hairy guy because I've never been in the industry before.

Yeah, but that's

different.

That's kind of like somebody that, like you said, wants to build a whole career.

Yeah, maybe you have to put up with a lot of crap.

But in your case, like you said, I want to do one.

I don't know if they would pay you.

I have no idea.

I don't know the pay scale.

I don't know anything about porn.

Because I'm going to start getting messages like calling me like a porn star.

It's crazy.

Like when I do these episodes, people start thinking that I'm doing.

I never did porn in my life, by the way.

And I don't think it's something I would do.

Just because I don't know.

I'm not sure I would cry.

I would definitely do one strip show for fun, but

I would have done it.

I don't know.

But, anyways, I would guess

because of your work, you already have something built up.

Maybe you, I would reach out if I were you, okay, like with an idea.

I maybe we can come up with something.

I'll help, I help, I can help, I can maybe hook you up.

I think

you can be my parents.

Yeah, I'll pinpoint you out to do one.

You never, so maybe you could sell like that one episode because I would guess you already have a huge audience, you know.

So maybe people would be willing to pay like for your stuff more than they pay for like a total unknown girl.

Oh, maybe just my guess.

Let's explore that afterward.

Okay, okay.

Before I go on the two-minute break, one more question.

Time goes by so fast when we're talking about sex.

It's funny.

Um, how about OnlyFans?

You said you would do it and you never did it?

Yeah, you know what?

Here's the thing: is like I'm very motivated to do those things, but I like having somebody to do it with me.

Like, for me to try to take pictures myself, do videos.

Oh, it's a lot of work.

It's impossible.

like you have to have somebody willing to come and take the pictures take the videos and help you and like me and my friends have joked about it my ex-husband was even going to like do it with me but we could not get along longer than like two days about it because like my girlfriend does it and she's like you need to have a guy like guys get sick to seeing girl videos like you can make more money if you have a guy that you can you know suck his dick really a minute this and that yeah and i would i'm not dating anybody so my ex-husband said he would do it.

But then we would fight.

And I'm like, you're not coming near me.

I was like, you don't get to talk to me.

I think that's another really easy one, too, Sarah.

Like, if you put on your Instagram, hey, casting call, looking for guys to get their dicks

for my OnlyFans.

I have a feeling you would get a line of guys that would totally volunteer for that job, you know, just to spend time with you and get their dick sucked by you.

Hello.

I don't think that's it.

I mean, that's true.

See, and I just need somebody to hold the camera.

I'm all for doing things like this.

I just need a friend or a partner to do it with me.

I hear you.

Oh my God.

I wish you lived in LA because I would hold the camera.

I would 1 million percent create your content for you.

Because again, I am not attracted to girls like in a sexual way, but I love working with beautiful people and entrepreneurs.

And most of all, I love meeting women who are comfortable with their sexuality and talking about sex because I cannot believe this day and age, men, if they talk about it, they're like heroes.

And we are like the trash of the trash of the trash.

And I'm like, come on already, you know.

And feminists talk about equality, equality, equality.

There is always talk about equality in pay and equality in the workplace and this and that.

How about being equals in bed, being equals, talking about sex and doing whatever the hell we want with our bodies, right?

Oh, yeah, totally.

But no, we're judged for it, right?

We don't get to make those decisions.

Yes, 1 million percent.

But I think this, if I have one goal with this podcast, and I don't even know if I'm ever going to accomplish that because society is so freaking biased, it's ridiculous.

My goal is that one day women are going to be able to talk about sex, do sex, show their bodies as little or as much as they possibly can and want in this world as a personal personal choice and not be judged.

Yeah.

Period.

Like we are just as good as any woman on the planet, regardless of what we talk about.

And that doesn't make you a whore at the end of the day.

And by the way, if you want to be a whore,

you should have the right to be a whore too, in my opinion.

Totally.

It's your body.

If that's what you want, go for it.

Absolutely.

And that's the thing I think that people don't, don't get me wrong.

There is,

obviously, there is unfortunate things that go on and there is women that sometimes get put in positions that maybe they don't want to be there.

That's totally different than a woman saying, I'm owning my sexuality.

Yes.

I'm owning my body.

And this is what I'm choosing to do with it.

And it's not for you to criticize and it's not for you to judge.

But I think people don't, they can't separate the two.

They see somebody doing something that they don't want to do.

And then for everybody who's doing it that they want to, they put them together and they just say the whole industry is shipped.

That's not the way that it works.

No, 1 million percent.

We are not even talking about abuse.

We're not talking about trafficking.

We're not talking about crimes.

We are talking about adults that make a decision about whatever they want.

That's completely different.

Absolutely.

Yes, and it just breaks my heart, really, that women are so judged.

It drives me crazy.

We're going to take a two-minute break and we're going to come back with Sarah.

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Okay, we're back with Sarah Hughes for this super fun XX rated episode of Cat on the Loose Pod Swap with her podcast, Sex and Bacon.

Hi, Sarah.

Hello.

Okay, so let's talk about sex.

So you were in the sex industry, you did porn.

You're gonna do porn.

We're gonna hook you up.

Now you do the podcast.

How many episodes have you done so far?

You know what?

I think we're around 20-something.

So almost close to 30-ish.

Yes.

That's fabulous.

Are you doing anything else or you stopped stripping altogether?

So, you know what?

I actually had stopped stripping for probably eight years or so.

I got married, had another kid.

And then when COVID shut everything down, I actually went back during that time.

And honestly, it was so fun.

It was probably the best time, best year.

So, where

strip clubs were open in Canada during COVID?

No, but bachelor parties were going on underground, sneaky style.

People

were coming in.

Yeah, and because men were so starved for

like social situations, they were spending money hand over fist more than they were when I quit.

So it was like really, really, really, really profitable.

Oh, my God.

I can't imagine.

Can you give us like an inside scoop how these parties work?

Like, you go there and it's like a bachelor or a bunch of men, and you go with other, you don't go by yourself, you go with maybe other girls.

Yeah, usually, there's two of us.

So, we'll go there.

Usually, it starts like most places, it's like, okay, so you'll do an hour of topless waitressing and then like a strip show.

So, for the first hour, we're just walking around with our, you know, boobs out.

We're selling hooter shooters, pussy shooters, ass shooters,

and then we'll do a show, and they can just do a regular strip show.

Or usually, we upsell to like a girl-on-girl show.

And then I'm not a lesbian either, I'm not bisexual in any way, but I mean, we're performing this show.

So, me and my girlfriend will do a full-on girl-on-girl show for them, and then after that, we continue to sell shooters or lap dances.

Lap dances are big after that, and we'll go do lap dances for a few hours and then go home.

Are you ever worried or a little scared that these men are gonna, you know, touch you or misbehave or be aggressive.

Because it's a lot of hormones, right?

Yeah, and in 12 years of doing it, there's only two times that I have felt a little bit uncomfortable because one guy was too drunk, one guy was weird.

But, I mean, when you got anywhere from 10 to 30 guys and you have one guy that is the creep, everybody else there,

his friends, are usually the ones keeping him in check.

And they're like, beat it, buddy.

You're kicked out.

out they they kind of police themselves because they don't want somebody to ruin it for everybody right

so yeah I've I mean I've felt uncomfortable twice but the guys there always looked after us oh that's good that's good that's not bad at all but you do you take security do you have a bodyguard or anything no no there's a couple times that if we're working out of town we've had like a guy drive us just because if we're drinking and we go to drive home at the end of the night or if we are going to like a campsite I mean we've been to some pretty strange places doing these bachelor parties.

And so if it's in the middle of the woods in a cabin somewhere, sometimes then we'll just pay a guy to drive us, just be on the safe side.

Yeah, right.

But they'll wait in the car and stuff.

But in general, the behavior is a-okay.

Absolutely.

Yeah, very interesting.

Now, how about did these guys ever ask you, okay, I'll give you more money.

Let's go and have sex.

I am so horny.

Let's get this done.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

You know what?

And for the first, I have one girl who is a stripper.

but she's also an escort, and she would come to parties sometimes too.

Maybe a handful of times in like 10 years, at the end of the night, she would, you know, perform a service, a hand job or somebody, something for somebody.

But usually, because that's not what we were there for, we'd always say, hey, you know what?

Sorry, we're flattered, but you know what?

You're going to have to call.

call the service, call the escorts, and then we would leave.

Okay, so you totally draw the line.

Like,

they don't touch you and you don't touch them.

It's literally just a shawl.

I mean, no, I mean, there's a little bit of touching.

Like, if I'm giving a guy a laptop, absolutely, he can grab my boots.

He can grab my, you know, my ass.

But no, they're not allowed.

They know in the beginning the ground rules: do not touch my pussy.

Like, if you do that, the show stops.

Let's not be rude.

You know, you can touch the things we've allowed, we've told you up front.

But and then the guys are good about it.

Do you take your panties off?

Do you take everything off?

Also, you're completely naked.

I cannot believe these guys have the restraint to like just look and not do that.

That's amazing.

Oh, yeah.

Yep.

No, they're pretty good.

That's incredible.

Oh, my God.

So if one of them offered you a lot of money, they said, oh my God, come on, you're sitting on my lap.

You're so freaking hot.

I have a heart on.

I really want to fuck.

He is like, whatever, five grand, ten grand.

Would you do it?

Of course I would.

Absolutely.

I love your honesty.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I'm not opposed to it.

I mean, if a guy was going to give me $1,000 and I thought he was relatively attractive, throw a condom on it and

ride it, ride it.

Yeah,

did you ever,

you know what?

The first time I ever had sex with anybody for money, it was this young guy.

He was tattooed and he used to book me for private shows just to come to a hotel to just dance for him.

And I had done that probably four or five times and I was actually attracted to him and I thought he was really, really sexy.

And

there was one time that like at the end of the show, it's like there was just some sexual tension and I I actually ended up having sex with him.

It wasn't intended, but I did.

And then because that kind of happened, then after that, every time he would book me, it was yes, just a given.

It's like, hey, I'm booking this strip show, but like really I'm booking, you know, for us to have sex.

And he'd pay me really well.

And I'd go strip for him.

And then we'd have sex.

But

we built up that relationship and that connection.

Right.

So.

It felt a little bit different, but yeah, I'm not opposed to it.

If somebody's cute and I was going to maybe do it for free anyways and they're gonna offer me some money absolutely if you're having fun and you like it why not right yeah there you go right

okay uh your instagram name so let's let's talk about that it's confessions of a fuckaholic

yes okay so can you elaborate why you're a fuckaholic because you love to fuck is it more than that how did the name how did you come up with this name okay so you know what you can't instagram's really weird we originally were starting that Instagram account for the podcast Sex and Bacon.

Oh, they're horrible if you use the word sex.

Yeah.

Okay.

So all the accounts were getting shut down.

Yeah.

And I was like, what is this?

And so I had actually started this account for something else.

And it would have been, it would have been some other stuff that I would have just been putting out there, very vulnerable,

just different like confessions of things from relationships.

But at the time that we were launching the podcast, I was like, I have this account and let's just use it.

So it kind of, yes, works in the same sense.

And it really is, just, I think, speaks to the honesty and the authenticity of being a person who likes sex and openly share and talk about it.

I love that.

Yeah, no, Instagram, definitely, their algorithms, when you write the word, because I write the word sex all the time, they pick it up like it's porn, like it's dirty, like it's pornography.

And I say, what the hell?

There is so much worse shit out there.

we are not talking about crimes, we are talking about you know, just talking about sex.

They keep punishing, same thing, they keep punishing my just today.

I got a message from them that all my reels are punished for a month, so I cannot monetize, I'm not gonna get paid for them.

One month because I published a reels.

You're gonna laugh.

I was doing a fashion photo shoot in Miami.

It's a freaking dress on a boat, but I wrote on the reels, cat on the loose, sex, sex dating and relationships.

If you believe that, I'm not even naked, I'm not even wearing a bikini, I'm wearing a dress.

And now they said, No, you it's like it's ridiculous, it's so disgusting.

I don't even want to talk about it.

And then you write, fuckaholic.

Yeah, let's fuck.

Thank God, so let's talk about fucking.

Yeah, I love it that I met because you're a girl that loves sex.

Me too.

And I've been, oh my god, I get criticized

because I say that over and over and over and over again, to the point that I honestly don't even care anymore.

Like, I like sex.

I think every woman should have the right to say they like sex.

How is your experience?

Do you feel that people ostracize you for your work or do you only get positive feedback?

You know what?

Like, I...

At a young age, I came to terms with the fact that I was like the slutty girl in school.

I was the whore.

I was the one that's this and that.

And it's just like I grew up kind of just always being that outcasted person for being horny or sexual or whatever.

And I think like this was really just me stepping into my truth of like, this is who I am.

And like, why the fuck am I going to let anybody tell me that I should act a different way, be a different way?

or be somebody that I'm not.

And the problem with the world is people hiding behind this this image of who they think they need to be to please other people.

So this was just finally me stepping into my truth and just being like, eh, fuck, whatever.

You know, just accept it or, yeah.

I love that you said that because a lot of it is hypocrisy.

Right.

I feel, and I don't know if in Canada it's the same.

And I keep saying the United States.

I say in general.

I know there are exceptions, but in general, mainstream society, when you talk about like just me, very mild, like I never stripped, I never did anything.

But I always say, Yeah, I love sex.

I was in a miserable marriage for 14 years, we barely had sex.

And after the marriage, the past few years, I decided, you know what, I'm never gonna be in that situation again.

I'm only gonna be in a relationship again if I have tons of sex, delicious sex with a partner that has the same sexual energy as I do.

And funny enough, in the

world of dating,

so many times the guys, even before they meet me, they think, oh my God, she's such an easy fuck.

I'm going to take her out for a few drinks.

She's banging different guys every night.

They immediately decide that because of the podcast.

Does that happen to you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what?

And I get kind of like, that's where it's like, I'm a very open person, but I almost kind of get like offended because

it's one of those things where it's like, just because I talk about sex doesn't mean that's an invitation that I want to fuck you specifically.

Exactly.

Guys think that.

Yes.

You say something sexual or you make a comment.

It must mean, oh, she wants to fuck me.

No,

not at all.

And so, yes, I do get irritated with that kind of stuff.

But I mean, I guess it just comes with the territory.

And if you catch me on a good day, sometimes I'll entertain the stupid little conversation.

But you catch me on a bad day.

It's like, hey, you're grossing me out.

Fuck off.

No, exactly.

I kind of, it doesn't irritate me anymore.

I think it's, it's kind of of entertaining that the guys that I meet that don't understand the difference between my personal life and my work,

I just let them fool themselves.

If they think that I'm partying every night and I'm fucking different guys every night, go for it.

And I want the man in my life that really, really sees the difference.

To me, that's like the goal.

I want somebody so intelligent and so secure of themselves that like when they're in my personal life, they're like, oh yeah, do your thing.

And I did have a partner like that that was super secure.

He knew the difference between my work and my personal life.

And I guess that's that's kind of what I'm looking for.

How about you?

Absolutely.

And I mean, a guy who actually knows like how to read those signals, like you have to turn on my mind before, like, you're going to get anything out of the rest of me.

1 million percent.

Oh, my God.

You know, like, yes, right?

Like, if you come at me and you just think because I talk about sex and I used to be a stripper that you could just like, you know, instantly I want to have sex with you.

No, like

there has to be a level of intelligence there.

And I mean, I'm a smart person.

And if you cannot challenge me mentally, chances are I might sleep a few once, but then I'm never going to talk to you again because you did nothing for me to stimulate me long term.

No, 1 million percent.

I am the same.

I am a major psychiosexual.

I need a guy that entertains my brain, that makes me curious.

I need so much more before, like, I, okay, I'm going to jump in bed.

Even if he's super gorgeous, like, even if he's hot as fuck, if he's a dumb idiot, if he doesn't excite me or has great conversation, I'm totally turned off.

Yeah.

How is dating there?

Do you date through dating apps?

Honestly, me and my girlfriend talk about all this time, this all the time.

The online dating world in Alberta, in Edmonton, and probably most of Canada is absolute shit.

Shit, yeah.

Because you guys have a ton of men there, more men than women, though.

Yeah, but you know what?

I'd like, and this is going to sound ignorant.

They, most of them either have dad bods and do not have any sense of drive to take care of themselves physically in any way, shape, or form.

And to me, if you can't take care of yourself physically, mentally, you probably don't take care of yourself, which means you're not going to be able to take care of me.

And a lot of them, it's just,

I mean, nobody wants to commit.

They all want to be a fuckboy and talk to all the women.

And the ones who do want to commit are the ones who probably spend most of the time fishing and hunting.

And the time and attention they want to give you is very minimal.

And the in-depth conversation you're going to get out of them is also very minimal.

I hear you.

So, yeah.

It's

going down here.

Yeah.

So how do you meet men?

You know what?

Every guy I think that I have

been with and connected with in any long-term way has been through work.

Really?

Yeah, I've met them in other jobs and careers that I've had.

You spend enough time, you build up conversation.

If I'm meeting somebody just to have sex with, then sure, I guess like you can go online to an online, this guy's cute enough, let's go for some drinks and sure I'll have sex with you, but you're probably not talking to them past that.

Okay, so you do do online dating just to have sex, to find a, you know, a sex partner.

Yeah.

Okay.

I hear you.

Like, it's slim pickings out there.

Like, honestly, for somebody who likes sex as much as I do, I think it's been six months since the last time I had sex.

Are you serious?

Holy shit.

I know.

And it's crazy, but I cannot be.

Sarah, come down to LA.

I'm inviting you.

Come spend some time with me.

You have an open invitation.

I'm going to take you up on that.

I promise you, like, I'm not kidding.

Because I tell you one thing, it's a shit show in terms of dating.

Like, if you want to find a partner, it's really, really tough.

Most men, yeah, they lie.

They just don't.

But like to find great sex or fantastic company there is so much out there so much i think for us i'm sorry guys i have a little special needs dog and he's going nuts on me so i'm gonna take a one minute break and and my audience knows my my podcast is very very so i'm gonna apologize let me take a one minute break to uh get him out of the room we'll be right back with sarah Sorry guys, for those of you who know me, you know that I have a 10-year-old little special needs dog that somebody abandoned on the streets two years ago.

So he was crying.

I just had to move him to another room.

Sorry, Sarah.

We're back.

All good.

So we were in the middle of the great conversation inviting you to come down to LA because there is a lot of, a lot, a lot, a lot of options.

You know, I think finding the right partner stuff, but if you just want to go out and have fun, a gorgeous girl like you to have sex, you always find someone.

But six months, I cannot imagine.

Because for me, I think for girls like us, six months without sex is like six years for a regular woman.

Right?

I think there's just no options here.

Everybody says,

It's just addicted men that are your airplane ticket, girly.

I'll hook you up.

I was in a relationship for four months, okay, during the summer,

and we were having great sex.

And then he broke up for whatever reason, all of a sudden.

And it took me two months.

Like, for two months, I didn't go out with anybody.

I didn't have sex or anything.

And I was like,

I was using my vibrators every night.

I don't know.

Do you use your vibrators a lot?

You must, right?

I do have a lot of sex toys.

I do have lots.

Yes.

Yeah.

So I was like, oh my God, I cannot deal with this shit anymore.

Like two months without sex.

Like, come on already.

So it's a lot.

So finally, I, you know, I have a friend that I love and adore and he was in town.

And I was like, hey.

Let's just go for it because you're delicious and I need it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, like, do you find though, like, sometimes it's like you'll just like do it and then all of a sudden you realize, and like, the sex was so bad, and you're like, wow, that was such a waste of my time.

It has happened to me before, for sure.

But I think what happens, yeah, 1 million percent.

But I think what happens in my case,

I'm peaky.

I'm crazy picky.

Like, for me to want to have sex with someone, oh my God, sometimes it takes forever.

You know, like I said, people think that I don't, and I'm not judging women.

I have a lot of friends that have sex with different guys all the time.

I'm not judging women at all.

But for me to, for a guy to convince me, or for myself to

feel convinced, okay, I'm going to have sex with you, it usually takes forever.

Like, okay, I have to really, really, really, really like someone.

So normally when I go to bed with that person, I already know, okay, this is probably going to be very delicious because i really want it yeah yeah i don't think i ever picked up a guy at a bar like okay let's go home and have sex i don't think i did um usually for me the the measure is the kiss

yes like if the kiss is so good so delicious

Very likely everything else will be very good too, right?

How about for you?

No, I want 100% agree.

If there's chemistry in like a good kiss, it just feels like everything else like will kind of fall into place.

But I'm just saying, like it, it takes a lot for me to get turned on now by guys because

it's like when you've had enough sex and you've experienced everything and you're so open, you can't just come at me with vanilla, basic, mild conversation and think that like I'm going to be into that.

Like you really have to step it up.

And like.

Men here in Canada just don't have like that capability.

Not a lot of them.

It's very rare.

Okay.

So can can you give us an example?

You meet a guy at a bar.

What would he have to do to seduce you?

To make you feel turned on?

I think it's kind of in like the subtle, the subtle pickup, not the aggressive, like, here I bought you a drink.

Hey, you're super hot.

You want to fuck.

It's kind of in like, you have to be witty.

You have to be able to banter.

Right.

And like, if I'm taking cheap shots, it's like they have to be able to take them too, but in a playful, cute kind of way where like,

you've now intrigued me because you're smart enough to keep up with the banter and you're witty enough for like comebacks, you know, and like build on that.

Make me laugh.

Make me kind of feel like a little bit special in that regard, that like you're focusing on me, you're paying attention to me, you're not staring off into La La Land, looking at all the options, thinking she might not go home with me, but who can't?

I know, that's awful.

Yes, we need full attention.

Yes.

And it's not just compliments, right?

Like, you know, how sometimes, I don't know if it happens to you, you, but it happens to me all the time.

Like, I go on a date and the guy's literally drooling over me, like, oh my God, you're so hot.

Oh, my God, your boobs.

It's nice.

I'm like, yeah, thank you.

I know I look fabulous when I go on a date.

I know I'm hot.

I know my boobs look great.

But come on, like you said, say something that makes my brain feel turned on.

I need that.

Say something exciting, right?

Do you feel the same way?

1000%.

Like, if you just fill my my head full of compliments, I'm turned off right away because now I just think that you have nothing else going on in your mind, that that's the only thing you can come up with.

I know, me too, you know, and you know, another thing that really turns me off, I don't know if it's the same for you.

Like, if I'm on a date with a guy at a bar or restaurant or something, and at the end of the night, they assume probably because of the podcast, they're like, Okay, do you want to go home and watch a video?

Do you want to go home and hang out?

Like, even if we're not kissing or anything, I'm thinking, like, what makes you think that I'm even red?

That I would even go.

I don't like that quick transition that guys try to do.

I think that's really silly.

No, I agree.

Like, I'm definitely at like, you need to hang out and ask me out at least three times for me to see that there's something there that I'm intrigued by and that you can keep up, and that you're not just looking for instant gratification.

I took you out, I bought some drinks, I paid for dinner, and I expect you to come home with it.

Exactly.

It's like, guys, by the way, cut that out it's it's so silly you should pay for drinks you should pay for dinner because you're gentlemen

and you should not expect that you're gonna get sex from that at all we need so much more we need like a connection even girls that love love love love sex as much as we do right like totally that's not that's not gonna happen the year is over and for me i had sex with three guys like the whole year.

The first beginning of the year, I was in a situationship with a guy for a few months.

Then I transitioned with another guy into a relationship.

And now I had sex with my sex buddy because I'm not in a relationship.

And I really, really want it.

And he's delicious and he's fun.

And he's a guy I trust.

That's not a lot at all.

I don't think so.

And you're like even worse than me.

You're long overdue.

I am.

Like I've had sex with one guy this year and it was somebody that I met like at World War II.

It came out of nowhere.

And don't get me wrong, it was great while I was still working for that company.

We saw each other

and the sex was phenomenal.

But again, it was one of those situations I was never going to go anywhere.

And then I stopped working there.

And I just haven't, I haven't really found anybody that kind of intrigued me.

I have guys that I could have sex with, but I have to be in the mood because there's nothing else there.

I'm not attracted to their mind.

We could never build into a relationship.

If I wanted to get off, could I go sleep with them?

Absolutely.

I hear that.

But I think like I look for a little bit more depth now than I used to.

Same.

Michael.

Exactly.

I want the whole thing.

I want the whole package.

Yeah.

I want

the chemistry, the mental connection, the fabulous sex, and the bacon in the morning, the breakfast.

Yes.

I love morning sex.

Do you?

I love morning sex.

Yes, I do.

I do.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite things.

I don't know why.

You know what it is?

I know why.

You're still half asleep.

You haven't started to think about all the things you have to do.

You're not, you know, like fully awake and your body is still in a place of feeling and like thought hasn't taken over.

And so to me, it just feels better because it's like you're just, you're more connected into like your body and your feelings.

And it's just like the perfect way to start the day.

I don't even need to come.

Just put it in me, make me feel good.

Exactly.

I know.

I love like when I'm sleeping with my guy and like you said, I'm half asleep and he just, I notice that he's starting sex and like starts fucking me when I'm not expecting it.

It's such a turn on and so many men are lazy about it.

Like guys, don't just get out of bed.

Like, you know, like you said, even if you're not, even if you're not going to come or we're not going to come, most girls love, love that like middle of the night or early morning little action.

You start the day like in the best mood in the world.

And then, yeah, you go to the kitchen and you make the most fabulous breakfast.

Oh, yeah.

That's the best.

Who doesn't like feeling desired?

And if your guy wakes up in the middle of the night, he comes and pushes his hard dick up against your ass.

You feel desired.

You feel good.

It validates you.

It's a little ego boost.

We love that.

One million percent.

That's one thing that I really miss when I'm not in a relationship because I love sleeping with my guy and waking up with his hands all over me.

And that's another thing.

If I'm dating a guy and he's lazy on that area, I'm like,

one time a night is not enough, right?

Yeah, I agree.

Like, come on, get your game together.

Yeah, like, you gotta be able to do more than that for us.

One, one little fuck and fall asleep drooling is not good enough, right?

See, and that's why I like younger men, and because I find that they have more stamina, they're

older men

seem to have lost that ability, or they just don't think they need to.

Because if they don't want it, then they think that's it.

Sarah, I will tell you something.

I know you're in Canada and you told me about the Canadian men, but you'd be shocked.

Like in LA, men take insanely great care of themselves.

So, you meet, because I never date young guys.

I don't know, I'm just turned off by their mind.

I tried it once, and it was a disaster.

I never tried, and I get hit by younger men all the time.

Maybe I'll try it again one day.

I don't know, but usually, I like older men in their 50s, in their 60s, all my relationships, and they are in fabulous shape.

They take care.

Like my boyfriend that we broke up with this summer, he was 53, phenomenal shape like working out every morning hard as a rock because i think guys need to know know your dick figure out how to make it hard and delicious hard as a rock major stamina like you'd be shocked guys really i don't think they're like the canadians i think you're gonna like it

They like literally wake up in the morning.

Maybe because it's a society that so into looks and our industry, right?

If you work in Hollywood, in movies, in entertainment, everybody here really takes great care of themselves.

So you do meet a lot of older men who are like crazy, crazy shape, in and out of bed.

I need to come to you.

Yes, I'm not kidding.

I swear to God, open invitation whenever you want to jump on a plane because you're going to be surprised.

Obviously, not all of them.

You're going to meet some dudes that are like, like you said, like pot belly screen.

But in general, this is a society that the guys are like an insanely and if they're older i think they're more mature about like they know better like a woman's bodies and what to do in bed and all this stuff and i don't like being a teacher i don't know about you like if i'm dating a younger guy i feel like i would have i don't want to be i i want a guy that takes control in bed

i don't know if you're the opposite you know what i could i can do a little bit of both sometimes i do like being in control i like that whole like dominating you know, situation playing out.

But it is also nice to know that a guy can take control and can be the dominating one.

Um, but I, yeah, I can do both.

So, you know, what it is, is I found that the younger guys that I was with actually knew how to please me better than the older men that I was with.

Really?

Oh, that's yeah, like the younger guys are the ones who've like can find my g-spot with their fingers and make me come.

Really?

Yeah.

When you say younger, like what in their 20s?

Um, like there's a couple that, yeah, like 25, 26, 27 that I've like dated or slept with with that were amazing with their hands.

And then usually like the early thirties.

That's interesting.

Huh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anybody that I was with, like, and I'm 40 once, but it was like anybody that I was ever with that was like over 40, it just seemed to be a different type of mentality when it came to sex.

And they weren't as eager.

And they couldn't keep up sex drive-wise.

So I was like, okay, maybe I'm just not aligned with this.

Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, I cannot, like I said, I've only dated one younger guy one time and it was a total disaster.

He had almost zero sex drive.

It was very bizarre.

And all the guys that I date, because, like I said, to me, it's on top of my list.

I want to have great sex.

I want a guy with the same sexual energy that I do.

So usually my partners, I don't know, luckily, are very good and bad, regardless of their age.

Yeah, all these guys, like my little friend my fuck buddy that i had in town now uh he's he's 48

and he's great like super attentive you know so hopefully you're gonna have better experiences when you're here in la and then we'll do another episode let's tally up canadian guys you need to like step up the game look

the girl is not happy with you

Before I let you go, let's talk really quickly about the see the one hour goes by so fast and we have so many questions.

But a lot of guys that I said I was going to interview, of course, they want to know: do you have any sexual fantasies that you have not fulfilled yet that you want to fulfill?

Okay, so I do.

I wish you guys saw the smile on her face right now.

I really want to try double penetration, but not like one in my butt, one in like my vagina.

I want two in

my pussy.

So, I'm really can't be very, yeah.

I saw it in a porn, not the whole thing, but

That looks painful.

Well, okay, so they can't be very, very big.

That's the only stipulation.

It can't be two really big, thick dicks.

It's going to have to be guys that are a little bit more on the average-ish side.

Most men seem to be average, anyways.

So, I do want to try it just one time, just to say I did it and see.

So, yeah, that's definitely on my list.

That's on top of your list.

I don't know.

I don't think I would want to do that.

But that's,

I don't know how you do that.

I guess you would have to know two guys.

Well, first of all, maybe you have sex with them individually.

So you get to know their dicks,

right?

True.

Yeah.

And then you decide.

So did you ever do a threesome with two guys?

You did, right?

Once.

One.

And that was actually like recent.

That was probably about a year ago.

Two Australian guys.

And they do it all the time with like girls.

They're the ones who asked me, have you ever done it with you guys?

And I was like, no.

I was like, it just seems like a lot of work.

Like, if I'm enjoying getting fucked, I don't want to have to worry about giving another guy a blowjob the whole time.

They're like, No, no, it's not like that.

But didn't you feel like,

um, I don't know, the center of attention?

Like, all this guy, these two guys want me.

Was it fun or was it work for you?

You know what?

It was okay.

Like, um,

I think because they were so close and they knew each other so well, there wasn't any high expectation of like she had to do this.

It was all like they're like, no, no, let us just take care of you.

And it was, it was, it was different.

It was fun.

I was obviously into the one guy a little bit more because I had been sleeping with him for a little while.

His buddy probably isn't somebody that I would have normally slept with outside of that situation, but I kind of owed them.

We had a bet going on, and I lost the bet.

And in losing the bet, I had to give them the threesome.

So the circumstances around it were a little bit weird to start, but yeah, I would definitely do it again.

I hear you.

Did you ever do a threesome?

Two girls and a guy?

Yes, I think I have probably done 50 of those, if not more.

Yeah.

And always with girlfriends.

Every guy I've ever dated, we have had threesomes with my friends.

It's the number one fantasy of most guys, right?

I did do it twice for a boyfriend that I had.

It was okay because, like I said, I'm not turned on by touching girls.

I don't get excited at all, but

it made me happy to know that i was fulfilling my guy's fantasy would i do it again it depends on like the man that i was with if it was really really important to my guy but most men they want to do it but they don't they talk about it but they don't even want to do it i don't know Yeah, you know, I find it's really weird because I'm not into girls either.

And men always have this fantasy.

Yeah.

Girls are just so into each other.

Yeah, we do.

No, we're not.

We just do it for you.

Yeah.

They think we're like totally turned on by each other, but we're like,

because we want to see you turned on.

yeah.

And it's, and that's just it.

Maybe because I stripped for so long, and I was so used to performing girl-on-girl shows that I could very easily do, you know, with two girls and a guy threesome.

Because to me, it's just another performance.

Like, exactly.

I'm not enjoying going down on her, and she's not enjoying going down on me.

Making it look like it for you.

Exactly, 1 million percent.

Did you ever get invited by a couple?

Like, oh my God, you're so hot.

We want you to go to bed with us.

I did a few times.

And you know what?

I turned those down for the reason that I'm not into girls.

And for me to have a threesome with my girlfriend,

we know the act.

We know the routine.

For me to go home with a couple and actually have to try to engage with a woman who actually likes women, I felt like it would be...

really hard for me to loosen up and be in that situation because I'm not actually into women at all.

Yeah, exactly.

Same here.

I have been invited by couples more than once and I declined for the same reason.

Like, I don't want to, you know, be with this woman if she's really into me.

I don't know how I feel about fucking her husband.

But it has, interestingly enough, it has happened to me more than once, but it's just not my thing.

Yeah, no, for sure.

Like, I'm all for sleeping with somebody's husband if you want to watch and it turns you on.

Yeah.

I don't want to go down on you.

Yeah, exactly.

Same here.

Oh, my God.

This was so much fun.

Sarah, when do you put new episodes out of your podcast?

Every Tuesday.

So a new one just went live this week.

So, every Tuesday, we put out a new episode.

Lots of times it's interviews, sometimes it's me and my girlfriend.

We go host them together.

Yeah, I love how you guys talk freely about it.

And I love that you're here.

Thank you so much.

This was a super fun cat on the loose with Sarah Hughes, her podcast.

Again, sex and bacon.

I haven't had breakfast yet, and I'm getting hungry.

Just talk about bacon and talk about sex.

Okay, we're both like, all right, come on, guys, come on, step up your game.

And

yeah, and your

insta, which I love, confessions of a fuckaholic.

Yeah.

Thank you.

This was super fun.

And now we're going to swap, and I'm going to do an episode for her.

And I'll see you.

Yes, super, super fun.

Thank you, Sarah, for doing this.

And I'll see you guys very, very soon.