MOVIE AND TV PRODUCER STEVE LONGI

Hi guys, before I start today's episode, now I feel I have to say hi guys, hola Latinas, hola amigas,

hello everyone in Spanish, Portuguese and English, because this week I announced and I am very,

very honored, first of all.

Proud, yes, but mostly very, very honored.

That now this podcast that I've been doing with so much love and a ton of work, Cat on the Loose is a part of the Latina Podcasters Network.

I have no words to thank them for including me and believing in my work.

It means the world to me.

It's been a very, very epic,

overwhelming week for me.

Cat on the Lose.

The stats for Spotify Rapped came out, and the numbers are like incredibly big for my head.

They're amazing.

We are on the top 5%

most shared and downloaded podcasts globally in the world.

There are over 2.5 million podcasts, and we're on the top 5%.

That is really, really huge.

We are also in the top 15% most followed podcasts in the world.

Our growth was incredible.

Over 245% more listeners worldwide.

And I am just really excited because if you're enjoying the content, if you're enjoying the conversations, if it makes you laugh, if it makes you think, if it makes you

date better or think about it, I feel like I'm doing my job.

This is like totally an open platform for all of us.

And I am very grateful for each and every single one of you that listens.

Please keep sending me messages, ideas.

I am trying to book incredible guests coming up.

So it's just getting better and better and better.

And it's for all of us.

And I do it with all my heart.

And people ask me all the time if I'm an expert in these topics.

And you guys know it's the opposite.

I'm just a girl trying to figure everything out.

And I learn a lot as I go.

And I really, really hope I inspire you girls.

to follow your dreams, go after whatever it is that you want to do in this life.

Just go for it.

And you know what?

If you are in any kind of relationship, any kind, dating or married or not married, engaged, that is not making you 1 million percent fulfilled and happy, you have the right to move on and try to find the right person for you.

I think this is what I've learned in this journey.

Self-love comes first, and we all deserve a fulfilling, wonderful relationship that makes us smile and makes our lives even richer.

So thank you, thank you, thank you.

Thank you, Latina, podcasters, gracias, gracias, gracias, for believing in me.

And I'm very excited to do this interview today.

Steve Longi, he's insanely successful.

You guys can Google him.

He

is a movie producer, and he's a nice, nice, nice, nice, nice guy.

So, I really hope you guys enjoy it.

And I will come back very soon.

Many kisses, bejos, pesos, bezitos, muumo.

Hi, everyone.

Happy Tuesday.

We are here in the beautiful Soho House West Hollywood with my very, very special guest.

He's very successful, crazy talented.

So, I'm very excited.

And I'm here with him.

You're nice enough to come and do this.

Let me introduce you, Steve Longi.

Hi, Steve.

Hello.

Well, you had the crazy part, right?

Crazy talented.

Crazy talented.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you for welcome to Cat on the Loose.

Thank you for doing this.

I really appreciate it.

It's my pleasure.

So we met at an event a few weeks ago, and I was reading about you and your career at the heart of Hollywood magazine, which, by the way, you're the cover boy.

Yes, I am.

I'm not used to being on the cover, but I should get used to it, right?

Of course, you should get used to it, right?

But

I'm a huge admirer of your work.

You know so much about this industry.

Thank you.

So when I told people that I was going to interview you, I don't know, believe it or not, I started getting dozens of questions for you.

Really?

Yes, really.

Because, you know, people have this curiosity, especially because we live in LA and we work in the industry.

But people that don't live in LA and don't live in Hollywood, you know, there is all this stigma and curiosity and questions about the industry in general.

And it's not every day that we have access to somebody that actually works in the industry.

So I think that's what attracts people to

asking questions.

questions to you about it.

So are you ready?

Are you game to asking anything?

I absolutely.

Okay, so let's start.

Well, so let's give a little bit of a background first.

People that don't know you, can you tell them like how long you've been here?

How did you get in the movie industry?

Yeah, well,

I'm originally from New Jersey, so I grew up in the East Coast.

And when I was a little kid, all I dreamt about, all I thought about was making movies.

So, in my backyard,

my dad bought me a Super A camera, so this is back like, you know, in the late 70s.

Wow.

And I used to make my own movies.

And I'd make disaster movies.

So I'd light things on fire and I'd flood things.

Really?

Like when you were a little kid.

When I was probably about, you know, 12 years old, 11 or 12 years old, something like that.

Okay.

Yes.

I would be shooting my own movies and dreaming of coming to Los Angeles someday, coming to Hollywood to make movies.

So from a very young age, this was something that I really had a passion for.

And I think I was very fortunate because I I talked to a lot of people

and you know a lot of people when they're starting out don't exactly know right they want to do right where they should be and right I just always knew where I should be and what I wanted to do but how did you get like okay so you're a kid and yeah that's great so obviously it was a calling from the get-go but so you decided to move to LA how did you manage to actually get in the business because that's like the number one question people ask like I want to do movies, I want to produce, I want to act, I want to direct.

How do you open that door?

Or in your case, how'd you do it?

Yeah, it's a great question.

And, you know, it was something that I was trying to figure out for a long time, actually.

So the first thing was to move to California, which I did.

So I was going to school at the time.

I was in college at this point.

And, you know, trying to get my degree.

And in the meantime, you know, pursuing opportunities in the movie industry.

And the opportunity I came across was to be an intern at a production company.

So back at this point in time, interning was a really strong way to kind of get involved and make the connections that you're going to be able to do.

You don't think it is anymore?

I don't know.

I mean, I'm a big believer in fair pay for fair, you know, for work.

So I think it's a delicate subject, but I also believe in

taking the time because if you're going to go to film school, it's going to cost a whole lot more to go that route.

And that really doesn't put you inside the industry.

So I think there is a value trade when someone comes in and offers their time and energy in exchange for experience.

So I think there is value in that.

It doesn't always have to be monetary, but I, you know, I also am not crazy about people being exploited in those positions.

And believe me, I see

a lot of that going on these days.

You know, just look at, you know, they put an advertisement for an intern, and the advert, you know, in the advertisement, there's like skills that

professionals would have developed.

you know so it's like if you're asking for interns to do a certain level of work you know you've got to you've got to compensate them for that but if you are passionate if you really really really really really want to uh be in this business it might be a good

like even if you suffer being an intern it might be a good idea to uh give it a try right I I listen I I love being an intern because I had absolutely no responsibility because I wasn't being paid.

I mean that was the upside.

I was like well I don't I don't I don't have to go anywhere.

I can go everywhere and learn from everybody because nobody here is paying me.

So there was a freedom with it, which, you know, I always try to look at what the positive side is.

I mean, here's what I'm going to say right now, because this is something that's on my mind every day, and it's the concept of duality.

And maybe we'll get into this, you know, in this conversation.

It's bound to come up, you know, when I'm talking about my career or success or Hollywood or dating, even.

We are definitely going to talk about that because the podcast is sex-dating relationships so I have a lot of questions right so the concept I want to bring up is this concept of duality and that you know everything is at least two things you know in in opposition usually

and the way you look at the world you could look at things one way or you could look at things the other way and both ways will be true actually

so uh this principle of duality is very strong so I try to look at certain opportunities right I try to see things as opportunities and the internship is clearly an opportunity And I made the best of it.

You know,

I learned probably more during the internship than I could have ever learned in Spanish.

And do you remember what was like your very first project that you actually produced?

Well, the first film I produced was a film called Double Take for Disney

for Touchstone Pictures, or was it Hollywood Pictures now?

Maybe it was Touchstone, sorry.

I forget now.

It's been a little while.

So you've been doing this for a long time.

It's been a little over 20 years.

But, you know, when I moved to Los Angeles

and I started these internships, it took me a few years to find my place.

It's important that you're saying that

because I think, and tell me if you agree with me or not, a lot of people think, oh, I'm going to go to Hollywood and I'm so talented and that's it.

They have like this fake idea that, like you said, oh, I'm going to move there and everything is going to work out.

I always point out to people, like everything, but I think especially in this industry,

it's an uphill battle.

Yeah, I call it a process.

It's a process.

Okay, I call it a process.

I want to try to avoid anything that makes it sound hard because it's not hard at all.

The battle that we're- I don't think it's hard at all to break in this business.

No, not

at all.

Really?

No, I don't think it's hard to do a lot of things.

I think that we as human beings create obstacles, and I think most of the time we're fighting with ourselves.

You know, I always say that your biggest challenge will be overcoming you.

I love that.

Okay, so that's where I think, because I, look, I'm just going to try to always speak from experience because I don't want to pontificate or preach or tell people what they should be doing because you shouldn't really be doing anything necessarily unless you want to be doing it.

But I would say that in my experience, the thing that has held me back, because I think I should be, could be even more successful than I have been, and I'm still on my journey but I think it's the belief in myself that has always been the thing that yes has held me down has held me back in so many ways yeah me too everybody I agree I think you have to have self-confidence and believe in your talent and your work and I hear this phrase a lot here in LA like when I talk to people whatever if they want to be an actor a model a podcaster it doesn't matter what what they want to do a lot of people say to me oh my god but there is so much competition

And I'm like, why are you looking at other people's work?

You should be concentrating on you.

And you should think, like, I can do this job.

I am really good at what I do.

That's how I do my projects, as opposed to like comparing myself with other people.

And then, because I think there's like space for everyone to do their thing if you're really good at it.

Absolutely.

I mean, look at the people that have succeeded.

I've known talented people, wildly talented people, who have not succeeded.

So it's not just purely talent.

It's a combination.

It's a combination.

And I know people who aren't that talented who have wildly succeeded.

So it's not just pure talent either.

But you can use these things.

We will use these things as excuses because they make us feel good.

They give us a reason, something that makes sense as to why we're not where we want to be.

But they're crutches.

At the end of the day, they are excuses.

They are crutches.

And it's okay if that makes you feel good for that day and it gets you through the day.

I'm not against any of that.

Sure, get down on yourself.

That's fine for a couple days, but that's not fine for a couple weeks.

Yeah, you know, so true.

And you were talking about, just to jump back to competition, I'm competing with myself every day.

So I'm looking at what I did yesterday and I'm saying, kind of,

I know.

I'm the exact same way.

I'm always looking at my work.

How can I make this better?

How can I work harder?

How can I make this project more successful?

Yeah, I'm always competing with myself.

Yeah, for sure.

That's a great

way to look at it.

Now, so you become a movie producer.

How, I know you don't do castings.

No.

But

is there something?

Because that's the,

a lot of people send this question different ways.

But I guess the question is, is there something that attracts you to a specific actor or actress like, wow, I feel like I really want to work with this person?

Or?

Yeah,

absolutely.

I think there are times, but I think it's rare, honestly, when I see somebody that really stands out.

But listen, there are many times that I don't recognize that, and then I come upon it as I start to see

more of their work.

So, you know,

it's not a perfect science, I guess.

But, yeah,

I just saw this guy who's in the...

I have no idea who he is.

I'm going to have to look into it.

But I just had this reaction the other day, and it was to the guy that's in the Lindsey Lohan holiday movie.

I forget what the guy on Netflix is.

I do know he's the I think he's the love interest, he must be, but he's got there are so I just saw him for two seconds and I said, wow, that guy's got a certain charisma, a certain look about him that really jumps out, you know.

And I, and this happens, you know, to me every once in a while, and sometimes I can spot talent well before it actually happens.

But do can you explain what it's like this it thing?

Like, can you explain what you see in the person?

No, No, no.

Either they have it or they don't.

Well, I wouldn't say either they have it or they don't, but I would say that when I recognize that I'm responding to that, it's just about me and what I'm responding to.

Okay.

So I have certain instincts about people.

And listen,

you're not always going to be right about this is another thing.

Just because I'm a professional, just because I've made movies, it doesn't mean I know shit.

It just doesn't.

I mean,

but I have experience and that counts for a lot.

So if you're on, okay, you're on set

and

you guys are filming a movie.

Is there anything that an actor or an actress can do or should do that will impress you or grab your attention?

I think preparation, you know, is the answer to that question.

So I've worked with actors that show.

I mean, I've been really blessed to work with some amazing actors.

I mean, Robert Downey Jr.

is one of them, one of them, Anton Yelchin is another, Sigourney Weaver.

I mean I there are quite a few and I've studied the way that they work and without question they come prepared.

Prepared like they know all their lies, they know what they have to do.

Yeah, and they come on time, right?

Yeah, on time, absolutely.

I mean, that's the mark of a professional.

I tell people that all the time because they don't believe, because I'm very punctual.

Like even in LA, you know, I'm never late for anything that I do.

And I think it's because I grew up on sets.

I grew up on TV sets.

I don't know if I told you my dad was a TV producer.

I didn't know.

Yes.

Okay.

Mostly in France, but he did a ton of work here, like TV commercials, music videos, back in the 70s and 80s.

And my first memories, like when I was a little kid, I remember they used to say, like, you know, because sometimes our call shit is fucked up, like, right, 4.56 in the morning, 4.50 in the morning.

And you have to be there.

And I remember my dad used to say to me, even if if you're five minutes late, you're making an entire crew late.

It's crazy disrespectful.

So I carry it with me.

And many times when I meet people here in LA, like actors and models and actresses, and they don't understand the concept, and I tell them that, like, that you need to remember that it's not just about you.

It costs a ton of money

for any production, right?

Yeah, I think, you know, people's time is the most valuable thing because you can't buy time.

Right.

You can get more money always.

Yeah, yeah.

You can't buy more time.

So, yeah, look, I think, I mean, that's part of being a professional.

It's part of being respectful as a human being, too.

So I think there's a certain aspect of that to it.

But in terms of preparation, if you're showing up late, it's just starting things in the wrong frame.

I mean, I'm a big believer in frame, so you have to frame correctly.

You yourself going into things when you're creating a vibe or a situation, you want that vibe to be right so but but you know when I'm talking about preparation I think you know studying the role thinking about

who that character you know what that character is all about right how to embody that character down to

just you know little small movements ticks you know things that I'm a detail guy so as a producer yeah I have I'm broad strokes but I'm very detail oriented that's part of my personality too so I notice details and I see this with the actors on set I notice body movements and gesturing okay and if you see great performances you notice this is going on the minor details but it's very minor because the subtlety of it is so

very important

and a lot of times when you see someone acting you know that's a bad thing right you want it to be seamless you want it to blend in.

You want it to feel real because we're going for real.

That's what we're trying to do in all aspects of filmmaking.

Yeah.

Right from the scenery to the makeup to the dialogue to the situations.

We want it to track as natural and real because that's what creates engagement in the audience.

That's what keeps them watching.

Totally.

Because they're buying into it.

Do you think that I, and I mean,

it's my personal opinion, and maybe I know it's very controversial, but I want your take on it.

I think

actors are kind of like you have to have the natural-born talent.

I know there are amazing acting schools and amazing acting classes, and I have a million friends that try, but I think the biggest part of it has to be within you.

I don't think you can, like,

not be an actor.

If you're not an actor inside, I don't think there is any school in the world that will teach you that.

And I know

a lot of acting teachers would kill me for saying that.

It's just my opinion as a performer and I don't know if you agree with me on that or not well here's here's how I parse through that

so

yes I believe you know

any talent there is a genetic component okay I'm a genetics guy exactly I'm a DNA guy so I believe that DNA is going to impact it's going to affect a certain certain aspects of your personality and your and your abilities Okay.

Now, some people will develop that talent and become really, really great.

Others may not and do other things.

But here's what I want everybody to keep in mind: just because you're not a great actor, and maybe just because it's not in your DNA, it doesn't mean you can't become a professional actor.

I mean, I'm sorry, but that's the reality of it.

Who was it the other day that said something?

Did you hear?

I don't know if it was, it was a really, I don't know if it was, somebody said something about the actors that do the Marvels movies.

It was a very famous director, and I don't remember who he was like, but they're not really actors.

Yeah, they're just like they're doing the movies, but they're not.

I would never disrespect him.

I know, I know, that was exaggerated.

Look, I'm not an actor, and I've tried to be in front of the camera and even just, you know, make like informational videos, even.

And that is, I have a renewed respect after doing that for anybody that's a performer because I didn't realize how actually difficult that is.

I think you have to love it, right?

You absolutely.

Well, I think that's.

Since you are on the other side of the camera, do you agree?

Like, the camera has to love the person.

It's kind of a love affair.

Yes, yes.

It's a symbiotic reference.

It's a symbiotic.

Yeah, like I say, at least me, I have a love affair with the camera.

Like, when I'm doing videos, when I'm doing photos, photo shoots, I think it comes so natural to me because I am madly in love with that camera.

Well, you're right.

You're relaxed.

Since Exactly.

Since I was a little kid, I feel completely comfortable.

So I think the photographer, they always say to me, Oh my god, you photograph insanely well, but it's because the camera likes me.

Do you see that when you're producing, when you're directing someone?

Do you notice that the camera loves that person and vice versa?

Absolutely.

Yeah, and that's an energy and a vibe and a frame that you're creating, actually.

But to me, that's the key to human interaction: to bring, is to get someone in their comfort level.

So like if I'm on a date, so let's take it into the dating world, right?

Yes.

You know, and everything is a seduction, right?

Yes.

Like, yes.

Mike Nichols said, every, every, all dialogue is either an argument, a seduction, or a negotiation.

Right.

So that's how he approached writing dialogue.

So in real life, you know, this is kind of what we're engaged in.

But I think, you know, when you're out with somebody, the more you can put them at ease, the more they're going to open up, become comfortable to open up to you and connect with you.

Because at the end of the day, it's about human connection.

Yes, yes.

Connection with the camera, connection with the audience, connection with another person.

So that connection, absolutely, the formula for that involves comfortability.

Totally.

I agree.

And I don't think it's something you can fake.

At least that's what I say.

I know we have this joke that every waiter in L.A.

wants to be an actor.

And I always say go for it, but you need to make sure that you're comfortable doing it, right otherwise nobody's gonna teach you that well being a waiter is a good way to get comfortable being around people I worked in the restaurant business for many years oh my god me too my mom was a chef yeah so I love the restaurant business and I love the people in it and I had the best time and I'm actually still friends with all the people I worked with we just did a like a 20 oh no it was a 30 year reunion if you can believe this

of the restaurant yeah the restaurant I worked at oh my god that's awesome and it was all these people I had such great connections and bonds with.

Because why?

Because we were struggling back then.

Yeah.

You know, we made it through the struggle.

I hear you.

Yeah, I'm still in the struggling phase.

We all are.

Yeah, I joke that I'm the famous starving artist, but I think if you love the arts so much,

you keep going.

You die doing it.

You don't have a choice.

Like I said, it's in your blood.

It's like a drug.

It's stronger than you.

It is.

Now, let's get a little down to the dirt because everybody wants Chennao.

Did you ever work with someone that you're like, oh, I never want to work with this person again?

What a difficult diva or divo.

I don't think so.

No, wow.

So you were lucky.

Yeah, I've been pretty blessed.

All my productions have gone really well, and I've met great people.

No major issues with divas on set?

No.

No, the opposite, actually.

Wow, really?

Yeah.

Do you have a favorite?

Sigourney Weaver really stands out in my mind as somebody who's.

Yes, I'm going to do a shout-out.

You got to come to Canon Deleuze.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

What an amazing.

She's an insane.

I know.

She's one of my top favorite favorite actresses of all time.

She's amazing.

I made a film called Prayers for Bobby.

Prayers for Bobby.

Yeah, for Lifetime Television Network.

And yeah, it was a really impactful film.

True story about a young boy who was gay, and his mother was trying to cure him through religion.

And he winds up committing suicide.

And it's a story about a mother who went on a journey to discover really what her son was all about and what he was going through.

And at the end, she becomes a proponent for gay and lesbian rights, PFLAG.

Yeah, so it was a really powerful film i get letters from kids prayers for barbie

can we watch it

yeah i um yeah you'll have to google i don't know if it's where you know which platform it's available on perhaps youtube or one of those platforms

but uh yeah i get letters from from kids all over the world you know saying they were going to commit suicide and the movie saved their life and was awesome yeah it was a bridge to you know having a conversation with their their parents that's amazing it is and that's that's part of what drives me in the films that I make.

Not all of them, but Hacksaw Ridge, I think, speaks to that.

But I'm trying to put something out in the past.

Hacksaw Ridge was nominated or won on.

Yeah, Hacksaw Ridge, which was a film that I produced with Mel Gibson.

Mel Gibson directed it, was nominated for six Academy Awards.

We won two.

Wow.

Yeah, it's a film.

I'm really proud of it.

Ooh, congratulations.

That's incredible.

You're very humble because that's like a huge, huge, huge deal.

Yeah,

I'm super proud of the film.

I mean, the story is a very humbling story.

The man that, Desmond Doss, who saved these men's lives, who won the Congressional Medal of Honor, went into World War II as a conscientious objector who refused to bear arms.

And he winds up winning the Congressional Medal of Honor for bravery, and that is truly humbling.

And so, yeah, I mean, I, you know, whenever I'm up against a challenge, I think about what he had to go through.

And, you know, there is no challenge greater than going into World War II.

Oh, my God.

I know.

Being on a battlefield.

Oh, my God.

People are trying to kill you.

I know.

I forget it.

I can't even.

I know.

I can't even imagine.

I agree with you.

One of my best friends is a war veteran.

I'm actually going to interview him tonight for the podcast.

And it's the same thing.

I'm always like, and he was in the Army for 20 years.

So you imagine what a person sees.

It's like, yeah, they're like a whole other level of human.

I'm so grateful for their service.

Exactly, 1 million percent.

And it just makes every project so much nicer if you send out a great message, right?

Yeah.

I mean, I want to entertain.

Yeah.

So I don't, you know, like I want to make movies that people laugh and go to or talk about or affect the culture or whatever.

You know, so I think I've made about

14, 15 films now.

So I think a lot.

Yeah, I haven't even begun, honestly.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, I've got 15.

Hey, if you need an intern on your set,

I always need volunteering.

I always need an intern

just to see you in action.

Like, because I'm like dying to see you work, because I'm like already a huge fan.

I'm going to watch all of you.

I'm so excited.

That's going to be.

Okay, before

we're going to come back, we're going to take a two-minute break.

But I do have to ask you, because again, a lot of people send, and I need to know your opinion.

We live in Hollywood, we're in the heart of

the movie industry in the world.

There is always this room, especially now at the Harvey Winston Winstein Winstein trial in LA.

You know, the famous like couch test that a lot of women say, like, oh, I gotta basically fuck the director, the producer, to get a part.

Don't answer yet.

We'll be right back.

I want to know your opinion on that.

And I want to know your opinion about Harvey.

We'll be right back.

Who I've worked with.

This is a fantastic Adam de Luz with Steve Lungy.

I'm so excited.

We'll be right back.

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Okay, we're back here with Steve.

And I'm just saying, we're having such a good time because I love talking to crazy, talented, intelligent, intelligent people.

You have no idea.

I'm like, heaven right now.

Okay, thank you.

We are up high at the Soho house with this gorgeous view, and I feel like I'm high in the clouds.

That's my drug.

It's talking to, especially in this industry, industry, because it's my industry, you know.

I was a TV baby.

I grew up doing TV.

I've done small parts here and there, 10 million TV commercials, a bunch of music videos.

I'm thinking about getting back into acting if I find time, because like I said, it's my drug.

But anyways, the famous couch test.

A lot of women say that.

And I watched the Marilyn Monroe movie.

I don't know if you watched it, if you liked it.

But basically, they paint her like she fucked her way through Hollywood to get all the parts.

And a lot of women say that.

Do you agree?

Do you think it's true or do you think it's a little exaggerated?

What's your take on it?

You know, look, I personally don't know, so I can't comment on what actors and actresses do.

You know,

I think that's part of life, actually.

It's not specific to Hollywood.

So, you know, there's going to be an element of attraction between people of the opposite sex, and that can can affect their behavior.

And thankfully, we have laws, you know, these days that protect people who work in corporate environments and in all workspace environments from those types of things from affecting their work.

And I think that I am absolutely supportive of that.

But, you know, I'm also somebody that is a study of human nature and I know what human nature is like.

And I know that, you know, people can't just turn off attractions,

you know, things like that.

Now, I'm not talking about the behavior of a Harvey Weinstein or somebody like that who's obviously breaking the law and really, you know, going way over the line, you know, if you can even call things that he's doing like that, if there's even a lawyer.

You said you worked with him.

I made a movie that Harvey Weinstein bought in a bidding war.

So I did have some contact with Miramax at the time, and I produced a movie with Harvey's brother Bob Weinstein, who has not been accused of anything as far as I know, and is

not in jail like Harvey is.

So I worked very closely with Bob, and I've never saw anything like that go on.

And in my experience in making movies, I've honestly I've never seen any casting couch situations.

I've never seen any

onset harassment,

you know, beyond stuff that,

yeah, maybe you, maybe I'm sure a lot of women might call harassment.

But in the time and in the place, you know, maybe 20 years ago,

these, I don't want to say these things were accepted because they were never accepted by me, certainly.

But, you know, I think in terms of our culture, you know, the awareness of

what's appropriate and what's not appropriate wasn't maybe out there.

And I think it's, you know, it's in our conscious now and as it should be.

And people, I think, are more aware of what the line is and what's appropriate and what's inappropriate.

And I think, you know, I think people, when they know that, they tend not to cross the line.

And then there are people who will just always cross the lines because that's who they are.

I agree with you completely.

And I think for some reason, our industry, Hollywood, gets talked

about

these situations a lot.

But I think a lot of it is really just gossip.

And when I tell people that they think I'm crazy, because they see that, like, like the Marilyn Morrow, when people watch the movie, what is the name of the movie, Blonde?

I don't know.

I think so.

With Anna DeArmors, which, by the way, I love her.

I think she's phenomenal.

She was so criticized for this movie, but I'm thinking like she had so much balls.

She has an accent.

I mean, so she did great.

But it's such a tough role.

Absolutely.

For someone who has an accent to play American.

And when I watch it, I'm like, man, you know, she, at least in my opinion, I think she did great.

But as a woman, I mean, I literally have been working in some capacity in the entertainment industry since I was a little kid.

And I never once have been disrespected.

I've been on dozens and dozens

on sets, casting calls, you name it, and it never happened to me.

And when I tell people that, when they ask me, they're like, oh, no way, because Hollywood is all about who you fuck.

And I don't have this perspective.

Right.

This is why I wanted to ask you, because I think a lot of people that are not in this industry, they have this completely fucked up image.

Yeah.

Well, you know, look, again, just getting back to duality, I mean, a lot of things can be true and not true at the same time.

Yeah.

A lot of things, you know, most everything is a perception.

Yeah.

So,

you know,

there is real, I mean, I, I mean, not to get too esoteric, but, you know, nothing is really real.

Everything is just a matter of someone's perception.

So everybody has a different perception and everybody has a different reality.

So that might be some people's experience.

And I can't, I'm not going to say it's not true.

Totally.

You know, I respect people's opinions about things.

Yeah, no, me too.

And especially about something like that.

But I don't see the value in focusing on that or buying into it to the degree where it's stopping you from taking action.

So that's the thing.

So in life, if you want to, if you're using things like that, which maybe you can prove true,

maybe you can prove not true in some instances.

If you're going to to use that, as I don't know why it's worth mentioning, but if you're mentioning it because that's why you're not going to engage with Hollywood, then it's, you know, you're creating that, and then that becomes, that's unfortunate, right?

Because that's holding you back from doing something that you should go do, and you may not have that experience.

Totally.

No, I agree 1 million percent.

And I think, as a woman, this is what I tell women: if you want to be in this business, any business, modeling, acting, singing, whatever,

it's not just your beauty.

Like even if you say, okay, I'm going to fuck the casting director, just an example.

That's not going to take you too far.

It might get you an audition.

Exactly.

Exactly.

But you got to.

You got to say it.

But it's totally true, but you've got to have substance to get the freaking job done.

It's going to be up to you to get the job, ultimately.

So look,

I don't judge people for doing what they feel they need to do to get opportunities.

I don't judge that.

I can't.

I'm not going to sit here and judge that.

Yeah, no, me neither.

And by the way,

I've talked to many, many women over the years.

Some women don't have an issue with that.

No, I know.

I know.

That's like a personal choice.

That's what I was told.

I guess.

I don't know.

Yeah, totally.

Now,

if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.

The Harvey Winston trial.

Do you think

there should be a statue of limitation on what these women can say about it, or do you think?

no probably not

I don't think there should be a statue of limitations because I think we have jury trials and juries can decide for themselves what makes sense were you surprised when he was

charged last year yeah I

yes and no I knew there was I had been told

by someone not in the industry, ironically, about his habits, quote unquote,

somebody that had witnessed something, and I don't want to get too much more specific because

I'll sort of reveal how that came about.

So, and then I read an article in the New York Times about, I think it was an Italian actress that had a situation occur with him, and that seemed pretty credible to me, fairly credible, based on what I had read in the reporting.

So, then when he was finally charged,

it wasn't a complete complete surprise.

But had I not

been subject to those two things after working, like working with him or even just working in the industry, no, I personally, and I'm not going to say I'm privy to all the gossip and talk,

but I was in business with him and

I never heard anything about that.

And just another thing,

when he would take a meeting, it would be in his hotel room.

Really?

And they would, yeah, well.

that's kind of how they did business.

So, that didn't necessarily always mean,

you know, it was an inappropriate, you know, setup.

I hear you.

A lot of people do that.

I mean, I don't know if they do it anymore, but a lot of people when you're traveling and you're crazy busy and shit, but usually you have a bunch of people there.

It's just, you know,

I mean, Harvey really was a throwback to the old school mogul, you know, Hollywood mogul, which does not exist in a corporate world anymore.

Right, right.

You know, where like one person could call all the shots.

It just doesn't work that way.

So, also, a lot of people's, especially if you watch the Maryland movie, a lot of people's impressions of Hollywood are built on old-fashioned

tropes and things that don't exist anymore.

Exactly.

So, you're, you know, or somebody's fantasy of what Hollywood is.

I know, totally.

Now, what did you think about the Will Smith slap?

I

couldn't believe it.

Like, I jumped off of my seat when it happened.

I thought it was kind of like a joke.

And then, when I realized that, oh my god, this guy really smacked the other guy's face on live, I was really shocked.

Were you?

I'm completely non-violent.

Me too.

I'm like, I'm like 1 million percent

against violence.

I made a movie Hackstar Ridge about a guy who doesn't even bring a gun in World War II.

I'm not saying I'm anti-gun necessarily.

I mean, I'm not a huge fan of weaponry because it might kill me.

But, you know, I believe in the Second Amendment, but, you know.

But look, I'm a non-violent person.

I think if you have to use force, then you have to use force.

So I'm, you know,

you have to, I mean, I think I'm a realist, maybe if that's the right term.

But no, I'm a completely non-violent person.

And

in the, you know, in the

framework of an Academy Awards show

to leave your seat and go up on the stage on any show, but we're talking about the Academy Awards.

It's sort of another level of

how you should be conducting yourself.

And you should never, you know, get on a stage because you could get hurt.

Honestly, I've seen people get very hurt, you know, trying to approach performers, you know, in an aggressive manner or going on stage and violating their space.

You should never, ever, ever do that.

So, yes, I was shocked to the core.

I couldn't believe that.

You know,

I don't, you know, it's very hard for me to

feel

any sort of

forgiveness for Will Smith doing that.

You know, the part that really bothered me that they let him stay.

That really, really, I don't know, it irritated me because it made me feel like there was no accountability, you know.

He was literally sitting there and then he got his Oscar, and then he went to a party.

He went to the Vanity Fair party because I was there,

and he was dancing around like nothing happened.

That was very strange.

Look, I don't blame the Academy because I think they were just as shocked and

mortified.

Do you vote?

No, I'm not an Academy member yet.

Okay.

But I used to work, I worked for a guy who did vote.

And so

we would, you know, affect the vote every year.

So I was involved in the voting, and sometimes he would say, you know, why don't you just vote?

So I participated in voting.

But

no, you know,

I think that's a very tough call for the Academy in the moment.

And what do you do in that situation?

Kick him out, throw him out.

Like, if a note,

if a not-so-famous person sitting in that audience,

like if an assassin,

if I would have done that, they would have put me in jail.

No, no question.

They would have escorted me out with the police.

That's right.

So that's what I mean, like the bias, like, oh, no, he's famous.

Let him stay here.

You know what I mean?

That's a good point.

That's why I got irritated because I thought, well, there are a lot of people there that are not as famous as he is, but they work in the same industry, you know, and deserve it.

Well, you're probably right.

He probably should have been escorted out.

That's my opinion.

I'm sorry, Will Smith.

That's what I think.

You should have spent the night in jail.

Just at least a night.

Well, you know, and they could have done that after the show, I suppose.

Look, I, again, I know I have the greatest amount of respect for talent, for actors.

He's had a long, amazing career.

That was his night that, you know,

that's the greatest night of his life, conceivably, because he won the award.

Do I want to, you know,

do I want to take that away from it?

I don't want to be the one to say that he can't go up on stage and accept it, but on the flip side, yeah, probably should have been escorted out.

I mean, that's

a tough one.

That's the quandary there,

because I do know how hard it is to get to that point in time.

Oh, my gosh.

I just, you know, I'm a very forgiving person, maybe, as you can see.

I am, too.

Like, I don't hold grudges.

I never get mad.

Oh, I get mad.

I do hold grudges.

Yeah, yeah.

No,

I'll try to forgive someone, but I feel very bizarre like that.

Like,

that's my duality.

Maybe I get mad for like 30 seconds, for a minute, for a day, but like the next day, I'm like, oh, it's okay.

Let's be fair.

Even people that hurt me, I feel like I like even people that I break up with, like, I'm like, okay, I cry and I get mad and everything, but like two days later, I'm like, whatever.

I feel like if we, if you were in my life, like, I'm sure there is a reason why I liked you, so I'm gonna like you.

That's very healthy.

That's very healthy.

And I think I'm the same way.

Some therapists try to tell me that, like, it's very unhealthy.

Well,

I've had like relationship experts on the show and everything.

They're like, you shouldn't be so nice.

You're too nice.

You've got to like, you know, just put people in their place.

I have rarely suffered from being too nice.

I suffer.

I suffer sometimes.

Don't suffer.

Own your actions.

Right.

That's, you know,

I can't help being who I am.

I've struggled with this.

Many, I still struggle with this.

Yeah.

I still think about this.

Like, how should I be?

I know.

How should I really be?

Like, and I always default to kindness.

Yeah, I mean, I try to.

You know, it's never led me astray.

It may not get me to where I want to go to, and it may piss me off if the other person doesn't respond the way I want them to.

But you know what?

At the end of the day, I got to live with me.

Oh, my God.

I think the same way.

And I hate saying I'm sorry.

I hate saying I'm sorry.

I don't have any problem saying I'm sorry.

So I don't want to say I'm sorry.

So

I make sure to not have to get rid of.

That's what I do.

I have no problem saying I'm sorry.

I have no problem.

And I believe in karma and energy.

I don't know if you do.

So I just treat people like that's my little rule.

The way I want to be treated, you know.

So even if they disrespect me, even if they're like an asshole to me, I treat them even with more kindness because I feel they probably need it.

And that's a power move.

You know, and it irritates them many times.

It's a power move.

Like, if people are being mean to me and I'm like super kind and sweet, it disarms them.

But some people get like very irritated.

Like, why are you being nice to me?

You know, if I'm being an asshole to you, some people want confrontation.

You know, look,

I'm also not a big believer in going against the natural flow of, you know, just life.

And, and, and so, you know, you want to, you want to live life authentically, you know?

Yeah.

And I think, you know, trying to avoid conflict is an, it can be an issue too.

So if you're being nice to avoid conflict, I always do.

Then that can that's an issue you may want to look at.

But, you know, sometimes you have to engage.

Yeah, I try not to, though.

I try not to.

As much as I possibly can.

Yeah, meet me too.

It's away from it.

It sucks.

It sucks.

I mean, because I can't let things go.

So they can.

They cannot.

When is your birthday?

What's your sign?

March 24th.

Oh, my God.

March 6th.

I'm Pius.

I got along well with Aries.

My ex-boyfriend is Aries.

But Aries man.

And Aries, too?

You told me he was Sicilian as well.

No, that was my husband.

Oh, you're sorry.

My husband, Anthony, was Sicilian.

Okay.

And he died in 2018.

So I had

very few boyfriends after that, but I had a few.

But I think Aries men in general have very strong personalities.

I think so.

Yeah, that's what they say.

Yeah.

So let's talk about that for a few minutes before we run out of time.

Do you think

dating

in this industry, being Hollywood, is more complicated?

Like, or do you think it's the same bullshit as everywhere else?

Like, in terms of, do you feel like, oh, maybe some women want to get close to me because they want something, because they want me to open doors for them, because they want to be in a movie, or

you don't feel that way at all.

I asked a very famous actor that once.

I said, how do you know when someone's trying to get close to you because they want something?

And he said to me,

who doesn't want something?

Everybody wants something.

He said, every relationship, there's something that somebody wants that they're getting out of the relationship, right?

So that's one thing to just accept.

Yeah.

That's something you have to just accept.

Will you ever know?

No, I don't believe you'll ever know.

I think people could lie to you till, you know, till the cows come home.

That's a really old-fashioned expression, maybe.

But I think it's very hard sometimes.

If you're dealing with someone who's psychotic and I've dealt with psychotic people, you won't know.

They're really good at tricking you.

So this is what you have to really be careful about.

Now, if you're dealing with...

Now, that's usually you won't be dealing with somebody who's psychotic because because that's a very small percentage of the population.

So you're dealing with people who generally are basically normal.

So they will tell you

what's up if you listen.

They're going to reveal who they are.

People, there's an old saying, someone will tell you who they are in the first five minutes of meeting them.

Really?

And I really believe that's true.

Oh, I wish I knew how to figure that out.

In the first five minutes of meeting somebody, they will tell you who they are.

Now, I think it was

what's her name?

Oh, gosh.

Maya Angelou said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Yeah, that I agree.

She's a very

wise woman.

So I would say that in relationships, there are cues, and you will ultimately be able to figure out if you're paying attention, okay,

you'll be able to figure out who's real, who's being authentic.

That is very true.

But do you feel like, are you a little jaded, like when you're dating?

Because because you're single right yeah are you a little jaded when you're meeting women like do you take your time before you trust them or

oh i don't trust anybody you never never

eventually eventually but it takes a long time

No, I wouldn't say it takes a long time because I think I'm a pretty good judge of character.

But, you know,

I was in a situation where somebody really just pulled the wool over my eyes and

they were crazy.

And I kind of knew it, but didn't want to believe it, and kind of

thought, okay, I'm going to figure this out soon.

I think it happens to all of us at one point or another, and it's very painful, right?

When you finally start trusting someone and you're in a relationship, and then they turn out to be nothing like that.

It's incredibly painful, but you know, the most painful thing is

me being foolish enough to fall for it.

You blame yourself.

I do.

I'm my worst critic.

So I I turn it inward.

I go, you know, I say, how could I have, you know, fallen or that?

Why didn't I listen to the cues, right?

So I'm like any other person, even knowing this information, I'm still, you know, susceptible.

But I would say that

just in terms of, you know, me, no, I don't think it takes a long time for me to trust because I think I'm a good judge of character.

And I, you know, I watch and listen to people.

They always say you can tell how a person is by the way they treat, you know a waiter

how they treat the staff how they treat the staff and how they to me yeah definitely one of those how they treat the staff and how they treat animals i don't know if you like if somebody doesn't like dogs absolutely i cannot

do it because i have dogs i love all animals yeah and i think it's a for me it's a good test great like when i'm gonna date some because a lot of guys lie they're like oh yeah i love dogs and then the second they're near my you know you notice that the person doesn't like it yeah i need to know that the person likes animals because I think it says a lot about someone.

I love animals, and animals seem to love me, and people seem to comment on that.

So I don't know what to say.

So, Steve,

do you like dating in your industry?

Actresses, producers, whatever, in the Hollywood?

Or do you like dating outside the industry?

Are you an equal opportunist dater?

You know, I think it's hard.

It is.

It's challenging to date people in the industry because

you're both trying to do something that's really hard.

And sometimes when

two people are under all kinds of stress

and trying to

achieve something in a really challenging field, that could put strain on a relationship.

But it doesn't mean that that can't happen or that can't work.

So you're equal portunists?

I think so.

Yeah, I just kind of judge people.

It's hard for me to date actors and people like that.

I mean, I have, and it does create, because it creates a bit of a,

not really, but it does create a little bit of a

conflict of interest.

Yeah,

a little bit.

In my case, yeah, I never dated an actor in my life or anybody, actor, musician, la la anything.

I always try to date completely different from what I do.

Okay.

But believe it or not, and obviously it hasn't worked out well for me, right?

Because I'm single again.

And so I was talking to

a luxury matchmaker, and she said to me, You know, maybe you should try dating someone kind of in the same industry because they're going to understand your life better.

You know, the crazy hours that we work, like when you're on a set, sometimes we're there for 20 hours, sometimes you get home like two o'clock in the morning, or like this crazy shit, because our life is very crazy, right?

We don't have like a 9 to 5 schedule.

An artist is a little more fucked up.

And I thought, well, maybe, you know, that's the duality of

you know, there is the duality for you.

So, right.

You know, sometimes I say to find the right way, you got to go the wrong way.

Yeah, maybe.

But I'm thinking maybe if somebody is in the same industry, might be more compatible to understand what we do, as opposed to, like, let's say

if you're filming a movie and you're dating a waitress, just for example, and she has to wake up at 8 a.m.

and she has to go to bed early because her shift starts early in the morning.

Maybe you guys are going to have conflicting schedules because she's not going to understand your world very well and vice versa.

I don't know.

So I'm just debating this theory.

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean, I say date secure people so they don't get jealous and start thinking about.

Oh, yeah, that for sure.

The reason why you're not home is because you're

1 million percent.

That it's your profession.

Yeah, I need to date somebody who has like a major.

major strong personality.

Like I talk about sex.

So obviously a lot of men have this ridiculous misconception about me that I fuck different guys every night, which is not true.

So yeah, I need to date a guy who's like,

do your thing.

I trust you.

I know how you are.

Yeah.

Men can be very, you know,

I have a very good friend, and she happens to be really tall.

And she's gorgeous, and she's talented, and she's a lovely person.

And she cannot find someone

to settle down with.

Because she's taller than most men?

I don't want to simplify or guess, but what we talk about and what I think is a real thing is that guys are intimidated by her height.

Guys, I think are also intimidated by women who are direct about their sexuality.

Yes, I agree.

I'm so glad you're saying that.

I agree.

So people are not comfortable with,

not people, but I've met people who are not comfortable with their sexuality.

And I'm sexual right out of the gate.

Yeah.

Because I'm comfortable with it.

And I don't, I also am not loose or reckless.

Right.

You know, because there's a health factor.

Yeah.

And that's a huge

for me anyway, because I'm

very careful about that.

For me, too, I know.

Yeah.

I am like obsessed with being careful about my health and who I allow.

I really value that.

So

that's a big

part of the decision-making.

Let's say hooking up.

But

I don't have any problem with people hooking up.

There's no like religious or necessarily moral issue with that.

Okay, as long as you're honest, as long as you're doing it in a respectful,

you know, healthy way of doing that.

Honest, yeah, honesty.

But how many people really are?

That's the problem.

That's the problem.

That's the problem.

Very few.

Do you use dating apps to meet people?

I do.

Do you have a favorite?

Can you share?

Yeah, I've tried.

Okay, so Tinder,

Ashley Madison, I tried, and Bumble, I tried.

I never heard.

Isn't Ashley Madison the

one for people who are married?

For people who are like cheating

on their spouses.

Okay, which I don't.

I didn't even know that was still around.

It shouldn't be.

Well,

I'll reserve comment, but I'll reserve collect whatever to each their own.

I didn't

hold my subscription, let's just say, with them.

But

I love your honesty.

There's a lot of scammers on these sites, too.

There's a lot of scammers on all.

Everywhere, right?

All scams.

Do your due diligence, girls.

Do your due diligence.

Girls and boys.

Girls and boys, right?

Everybody.

Come on.

Don't bother the stranger.

Do you know what you're doing?

Well, here's what I learned.

So there's a great feature on Tinder where you can video chat.

And before you give your phone number, before you give your WhatsApp number, before you give any personal information,

video chat.

I'm going to chew now.

Oh, good.

Okay, That's great.

Yes.

Make sure you video chat, that you do not go off.

Yes.

That you, you know.

I agree.

And it's completely fine.

I just wrote a blog to Hard Hollywood magazine this week about it.

Like,

it's completely fine to ask questions, like, for example, what's your name?

Where do you work?

Yeah.

What do you do?

Like, and then you can Google the person.

Do you have social media?

No, I don't.

Do you have LinkedIn?

What's the name of your company, right?

It's totally fine.

I soft pedal the researching.

I'm actually, this might be very foolish of me, but I try to go into situations sometimes, not professional situations, because professional situations, I do my homework.

Oh, yeah, no, it's different, yeah.

But in situations like this, sometimes I just sort of go in for the experience of it.

And I don't do a lot.

Because I also,

I don't have time.

I don't have time.

Yeah, I don't need that.

But

I also don't want to freak the person out, because there is an ⁇ I've noticed an element of that.

Like when Google first came into prominence, I'd be like, I Googled you, and some people get some people,

I don't know, and maybe that's a bad sign if they are like, You did what?

Right.

But maybe people just want to hold some privacy to themselves for the time being.

Maybe it does nothing.

In our case, it's kinda like in my case, if I tell them my name, it's impossible.

Because if you put my name on Google, there's like ten billion people.

Yeah, exactly.

You will choose.

So in our case,

if we tell them, because our work is public, we can't hide it.

Right.

But I figure if I'm going to intimidate a man, I might as well intimidate him before.

You have to go all the way.

Yeah, before I go on the water.

Because they'll blow him out of the water now.

Exactly.

You'll wait two weeks to go.

I do a sex podcast and I do this.

So, hey, if it's too much for you, buy it.

Yeah, right, exactly.

Just get out of the way.

Well, hey, listen, I've dated women in the adult entertainment field as well.

Really?

Yeah, and so

they, you know, that's a whole nother thing.

Yeah, I don't do that.

Not yet.

And by the way,

the few women that I've met in that line of work, I have to tell tell you, are some of the best people I have ever met.

I know.

I met a bunch.

I interviewed them.

I know.

People, like I said, misconception.

A lot of them are very savvy business owners.

Amazingly savvy.

Yeah, exactly.

They're crazy nice people.

But like you said, it's the stereotypes.

It's stereotypes, stereotypes.

I mean, and maybe it's just what I attract.

Because, you know,

there are a lot of troubled folks who do that line of work.

Yes.

But I met the few that seem to just have their shit together, I guess.

I don't know.

I can't.

A few.

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

I agree with you.

1 million percent.

Some of them do.

Big time.

Promoting it.

But I'm just saying.

And so...

For dating for those folks is very challenging because they

are right.

You need somebody crazy or really understands.

Right.

Totally.

Now, before I let you go, see, I can't believe almost an hour went by already.

An hour went by already.

Quick tip, because a lot of people send this question.

If somebody's listening to you, they want to break into the industry other than being an intern, do you have any tips, anything that you would say to them?

Like the first step?

Like, for example, oh my god, I want to work with you or I want to talk to you.

You know, I would say the best advice is just start doing it, but just start doing it, I don't think, takes you the whole way.

So that's why interning was always great because interning satisfied, just start doing it around the people that you need to make the connections with.

So,

I say if you want to be in the movie business, find out where movie business people hang out.

So, we're at the amazing Soho house.

Not everybody can

come in here

or can pay for a subscription here.

But find out the hot spots where

producers are hanging out.

And the flip side to that is it's not clubs, it's not late-night places.

No, it is.

People who are working are usually home in bed.

So, that's not what we're doing.

They think we have this crazy, exciting life right oh my gosh

no I usually bed with my dogs by land not going to be those places but if there's coffee shops

you can join

a guild or or you know something a professional but do you think they need to live here right they need to live in LA or New York no you don't need to these days

I I think you do have a lot of advantages of relocating to Los Angeles but the move you know Hollywood these days is a state of mind right no longer absolutely need to live here but if you're going to work here, i.e., take meetings with Hollywood-based production companies, you can't.

What I hear people say, and what I don't necessarily think is true, oh, I'll fly in for meetings.

Yeah, that's you kind of can't.

You're not going to be able to do that.

I agree, it's not going to happen.

So it facilitates the career if you're here.

I think it very well might.

I'm very hesitant to say anything about anything because I just feel

create these things, and I can, I'll always talk about what worked for me but I hate I'm just not I don't like I've tried to abandon judge being judgmental in my life yeah because I can believe a whole set of things that may be true but how many times have I been surprised right and how many opportunities have I missed because I was deciding they that just was what I thought it was yeah so it's kind of hard but the fact is if you want to work in the movie industry and you are like I said you are physically here somebody calls you for a meeting it just makes things a little easier, right?

I think it shows people you're serious, and showing people you're serious about what you're doing is really key.

So, if moving here

is going to convey, show people you're serious.

I love that, yeah.

That means you're serious, and that means you're probably going to be able to endure the process it's going to take.

So, the process is going to include all kinds of failure and setbacks.

Embrace those, be cool with those, use those as learning experiences.

I know this is all stuff you've heard before but man if it's not like the holy grail of what you need to be doing forget what you think about things just create it yeah just create the reality yeah create your opportunity it's just yes go for it i had to do it i was i was born in the complete opposite

family my family didn't know from hollyhood my dad didn't he did you know didn't want me to leave he didn't know you know he he they just didn't understand at all they were

tainted i know you know like the people that understood you know who understood?

My grandparents.

Why?

Because they had emigrated from Italy.

There you go.

They came to the United States because

they were following a lot of people.

There you go.

From Sicily.

Yeah.

They were just talking about that.

They could connect with what I was doing.

These people that survived crossing the ocean and starting a life in a country that they didn't even speak the language.

Yeah, they understand dreams a little better.

Yeah, 1 million percent.

Greatest amount of results.

What I say is, like, don't listen to critics.

Follow your heart, right?

I follow my gut and my heart in my work.

Everything I do, do, I just follow like my passion.

And usually, at the end, it works out for me.

It's a little crazy, a little cray-cray the way I do it, but that's okay.

I think that's the only way to do it.

If you don't have a little craziness in your life, life is short, follow your dreams, right?

You don't want to be dying thinking what you could have done.

Exactly.

So, I always think about that moment I'm on my deathbed.

Yeah.

And I say,

What am I going to be thinking?

Yeah.

And then that helps motivate me to do everything I need to do today.

So again, in a dual reality,

the way I think, I'm thinking way, way far ahead in the future, and I'm thinking right now in the moment.

I do that.

Yeah, I live in the moment too.

This was so amazing.

Thank you so much

so much with all my heart, Steve Longi.

This was an incredible cat.

Like I said, I'm in the clouds.

I'm literally in the clouds.

It was such an honor.

Thank you so much.

Now, Cat on the Loo is part of the Latina Podcasters Network.

So I'm going to say thank you, gracias, obrigada, gracias, muintos, bejos, many kisses.

And I'll see you guys soon.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, with all my heart.

And I'm in line to be your intern.

Big hug, dear to you.

Thank you.