MY FIRST AMAZING GAY GUY INTERVIEW

TGIS,

I think, probably I'm gonna risk saying that you're gonna be the most fun guest ever.

You think?

I hope so.

I'm here with Omar for you guys that didn't see my Instagram announcements.

He's a very handsome, by the way.

You guys should go to Instagram to see his face.

He looks really good.

You're making me blush.

And he's a very successful entrepreneur.

He's the owner of Anna's Fruits, which is an amazing service, fresh fruit service that you had in LA.

Correct.

And then he moved here to Miami in the middle of the crazy pandemia.

And he's bringing this tradition that we do a lot in LA of eating fresh fruit everywhere.

Like you go to the gym, and after the gym, you get this delicious fresh fruit snack.

Absolutely.

It's the perfect post, you know, workout, good, healthy, and it kind of evolves into my lifestyle.

I will put all this information on my Instagram, by the way.

But anyway, so you're super successful.

You're hot as hell.

You work out.

I'm touching his biceps right now you're making

great shape

and we're doing this live from little brazil which is an adorable little brazilian bistro in my mind that i love and we're having caipidias of course love it so cheers to that

now um you're gay

and

I am very excited because I have a lot of friends in the gay community.

My best friend is gay, and I never interviewed a gay guy before.

So you told me you're ready to answer any questions.

Bring it on.

Bring Bring it on.

I think, you know, when it comes to that cat, I think, you know, you've got to be true to yourself, you know, and I think a lot of people, for whatever reason, you know, I think more than ever, we're celebrating the diversity and inclusion.

And to be able to understand, you know, I think at the end of the day, it's

how you really feel, right?

And, you know, back in the day, I'm 40.

I'm not shy to say it anymore.

And you look fit.

You look like you're 29.

Seriously.

It's like, you know, there's no, I think now where we're living is there's no coming out anymore.

Like in the process when I came out, I came out when I was 27.

A little late in the game, but I mean, I had to feel like I was, I don't think so.

I mean, I know it's, it's even sad that we're talking about it, like how people are still shy about their sexuality.

It is, it's true, but I completely agree with you.

I think life is really short and people should be whatever they want to be, whatever makes you happy, right?

As long as you're not hurting anybody, and I feel that that's the most important thing, and you know, just do what what you really want to do yeah you know i completely agree so let's just jump right on it because i have 10 gazillion questions and we don't have enough time i'm gonna start with the toughest craziest of by the way this episode is gonna be x-rated so if you guys don't want to listen to horrific crap about sex this is the time to leave the room but i highly recommend you stay here

and if you listen to noises is because we are in a restaurant literally because we decided to do this a fun lunch and my audience knows my podcasts are very organic.

And sometimes it's my dog barking, sometimes it's a restaurant, sometimes the pool.

So let's shoot.

This is my question to you.

Okay.

I have a lot of gay friends and a lot of heterosexual friends.

I know,

obviously, I've had sex with a bunch of men, you know.

I know that

the area,

like when you're giving a guy a blowjob, below,

I'm gonna be graphic, below the dick, like, you you know, how do you call that area?

Like, the S and like in between?

Is it the scrotum?

By the scrotum.

Yeah.

Most men have a huge taboo about this area.

Like, they don't even let you go near there.

But the ones that do, it's a very sensitive area and it makes them insanely excited.

And I don't talk about gay guys, I'm talking about heterosexual guys.

Now, my question to you is two questions.

So you already agree with that?

Absolutely.

Okay, that was the first question.

Do you think there is like taboo about that area if the guy is not gay?

And if

a natural sexual guy is listening to us and they're like, oh my god, nobody's ever going to touch me there because that makes me what would you say to them like in terms of your body and enjoying the pleasure?

You know, that's a great question.

I feel like when it comes to sex, that's where you've got the opportunity to really let go, right?

To really feel your emotions and your sexuality depending.

I used to be with girls.

Oh, yeah, by the way, you did used to date.

Yeah, and I enjoyed it.

I had a good question.

Yeah, you know, like last month I had a three-way with a straight couple, which was fun, you know?

So it's just like I'm a very sexual person, but I feel like, I don't know, when you are with your partner, guy or girl,

when it comes to sex, you kind of let go of all those inhibitions and those walls and really enjoy and pleasure the woman that you're with.

And so I feel like, yeah, there might be a taboo because I think for a heterosexual guy, there's a stigma, I think, that's still like, oh, you can't go there because how does that mean that is my girlfriend going to think that I'm

gay?

But I feel like, again, when it comes to the sex part, I feel like you just got to enjoy it.

You know, just go with the flow and really like be in your body and enjoy each other.

And just I agree.

But listen,

like I said for gay men of course they have no problem but a lot of men that are not gay why do you think this is gonna make people think they think that if I let somebody do that to me that transforms me into a gay person it's not true it's not true but look you bring up a good point because I used to have an ex that was a top only top and only top meaning that he just wants to fuck you fuck you he'll not let you he won't let me but so there's there are a lot of gays like they this they They choose one role, right?

One role in one way.

And I feel like it comes to sex.

I think variety is much better.

So I don't want to get categorized.

I like both.

You should be open-minded.

Absolutely.

I think, you know, and so that's sigma.

So for him, even though he was gay, he did not want to be touched by that.

Nothing.

He's just, everything was about him being pleased.

And I think it had to go.

a lot with psychological.

So I feel like, again, it goes back to my point.

You've got to enjoy your body what if you feel a new sensation it's like you know if you're in ecstasy and you know you have hot sex with your partner i know that's the most euphoric pleasure moment and so i feel like with that you just i don't know you just gotta go with it i mean i think maybe because i'm a very sexual person and i love and joy to to understand my body and what triggers me and the other person no i completely agree with you not everybody's like because i'm super open-minded yeah when it comes to sex i mean i think for for the men i am with, I want to make them happy.

I will do anything for my man in the world that he asks me to do.

And people are like, Oh my god, you've done three sex.

Of course, of course.

If I have a boyfriend, he's like, I want to bring somebody to the bed, I want to make him happy.

So, yeah, I'm all about exploring.

But obviously, this is major taboo.

So, I guess talking to you about it, the message we want to send is

it doesn't make a man gay, right?

If they let a girl put the tongue there, the hand there the finger there but it's a very sensitive very erotic area right just just enjoy it you know your sexuality you know it's like you either gonna like a certain sex and if I think at the end of the day it's just like if you enjoy it you know that you're with your girlfriend or life just just go with it go with the flirt

yeah so guys you know letting the girls like explore all of your little pieces down there does not make you gay absolutely not no not at all okay moving on moving on because time goes by so fast I ask we've been having this major debate for like a gazillion episodes okay I want your opinion and you can tell me about the gay world the the heterosexual whatever world you want or the I think I told you in in LA we call people like you polyamblers which I love you just love people you love men more but like you said if you do a you did a threesome last week with a couple because you felt like doing it yeah I mean i go with the flow right i go if the moment is there and i think like that's one of the barriers not barriers i shouldn't say barriers but i feel like with if the timing is there and if everything is flowing and there's it's organic versus forced you okay with it yeah i'm game with it i mean i i agree i went down on the girl they were boyfriend and girlfriend for six years i mean i truly enjoyed it like it wasn't like oh my god i know that i'm gonna have to you know do this it wasn't a half it was just yeah you did it because you i wanted to it came out it should never be an obligation.

Absolutely.

It should be something that you really want to do.

I agree.

When it's forced, when it comes to sex, I mean, there's no connection, right?

I know.

It's disgusting.

I hope nobody does it.

So the question, the debate is: I had an expert that I interviewed last season, and she said, if you want to have a relationship with someone, withhold the sex.

Because if you have sex too soon with a man, they will run away.

So you should make a connection.

You should date them for two, three months, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I've been asking everybody that question.

I personally disagree, but my experiences in the past have proved that this theory worked for me.

Like I have two, three dates, four dates with somebody that I really like.

I want to know if I have chemistry with that.

So I'm like, yeah, please, can you kiss me?

Let's have sex.

Well, you got to test the goods.

And then, yeah, it has happened to me in the past that they just vanish like a stupid ghost.

So, but what is your opinion?

Is it true or this is baloney?

You know, I think it depends on the actual kind of vibe that you're with the person, right?

Obviously, sex is a very important factor in a relationship or the dating zone.

I think, you know, but also giving it up too soon, then it's kind of, it depends on what you want.

If you want, if you see this person as a long-term, maybe person that you can potentially be.

Yeah, we're talking about like having a relationship.

Yeah, so then I feel like, you know, you've got to maybe, you know, play a little hard to get because I always is very intrigued.

So you kind of agree with this, theory.

Yeah, I do, because I think you also, you know, if you want to be easy i mean that's you know one night stands or one night stand is

but when it comes to a little bit more of that potential relationship i think waiting one or two because you also want to test the goods because if it's down there you're not too satisfied you know you're wasting your time so i think you've got to like you know test the goods out you know you got to test it out because if you're not going to be happy then the cheating starts and then you're screwed you know so but from that perspective i think it's just very um again it's just boils down on the chemistry that you have but yeah i think at the same time goes back you know if the kissing is is not there obviously it's not going to work i think kissing is a very it's a love language right it's one of those moments where you really kind of get to really feel the person

the part again it's all mechanical and it could be hit it and quit it but i feel like when there's you when there's that passion and there's that you know uh other kind of senses that you sense with that partner i mean then it's like you're talking like you yeah let's like let's take it all the the way i agree with you 1 million percent to me the first thing that needs to happen is the kiss if the kiss is incredible it's very likely that it translates into fabulous chemistry in bed and if the kiss sucks i'm like okay let's be friends that's it i do not want to have a relationship with somebody that the kiss is not incredible but so

do you think it's the same for gays and heterosexuals if if they have sex with you too soon they're gonna lose interest

you know it again i think it just depends on on the person on what you want right like i mean listen we go on dates i go on dates with like for example last friday i went on a date with this guy super hot successful he takes me out we go and have you know a good dinner and he tells me he's like hey omar i'm really attracted to you but one thing that you got to know is that i'm a super jealous guy

it was nice that he opened up he was honest

right away definitely but that for me didn't work so that completely changed the game didn't work because you don't want somebody super jealous

because that means possessiveness right and And so, in a way, that's like

that.

Yeah, it was

all over me.

Yeah.

So, but, and you know what?

I said, listen,

let's go home and like, because you're hot, like, let's do it.

But for me to see long-term, that's a no-no.

So, you just had sex?

I just had sex.

I mean, it was hot and tense, but I was like, I know why you're going to be jealous, you know.

So, but that's those are the things.

But I think at the end of the day, heterosexual men don't do that.

They tell you, no, no, I really want to.

They will tell you anything you want to listen until they can get to have sex with you.

You know, that's a problem.

And then I feel maybe in Miami more than other places, I don't know.

Once they do that, they're like, oh, okay, now I don't even know if I want it anymore.

And that's kind of a lie.

I like that this guy was super honest with you and you were super honest with him.

And we still had like amazing hot sex.

And now he's going to be calling you like, oh, no relationship.

Yeah, and he did.

And he's like, but you know, the jealousy part was just a one-time kind of thing for me.

That was not going to, and as you get older, too, I think that's another aspect, right?

What do you really want out of a relationship?

Yeah.

You mentioned Miami being a hotspot.

I think all major cities, and if you're remotely good-looking and you have a nice body, the options are always so many, right?

So I think with guys heterosexual or gay, especially in the gay community, I got to say, obviously, it's a little bit more promiscuous because

we're men, right?

We like to just fuck and like go and like, you know, and then on to the next.

I mean, mean, yeah.

I mean, I remember I

was in Europe when I slept with, you know, four guys in one day.

You know, it's just kind of those things.

It's phases, right?

Yeah, it's phases.

Yeah, and Miami is also a party town.

For sure.

I think, especially now,

I think it became almost like Las Vegas.

You know, people come here to party, to have a good time.

And those of us who live here, of course, like I said, a lot of people want to have a one-night stand.

No problem whatsoever if you want to have a one-night stand.

My problem in general, and my girlfriend's problems, is if you lie.

Like I said, if you want to have a one-night stand, tell the person

I want to have a one-night stand.

At least they know where

they're stepping and they can make a decision.

But the problems, the guys here, they will take you on a date, on two dates, on three days, and they say, Oh, no, I also want to have a relationship.

I'm going to be the best boyfriend.

You know, and then when they take you to bed, finally, and it's like, ah, now I don't know anymore.

But seriously, is anybody going to wait two, three months to have sex with somebody you're dating?

dating?

I mean, wow, two to three months, that's a little much.

I mean, that's a little much.

I respect everybody's decision as far as, you know, wanting to see what they want.

But again, I feel like what happens if you do wait that long and the chemistry is not there?

You've invested your feelings, you've invested all of that.

And so I feel like, you know, regardless,

I mean, and I'll speak on behalf of men, we tend to be pigs.

I mean, I'm not going to lie.

If you're gay or strange.

You said the same thing.

No, I'm going to lie.

You know, I'm not going to lie.

I mean, if we want something, you know, regardless if it's girls or guys, it's like...

You're going to get it.

We're going to get it, right?

So we'll say whatever we need to.

Yeah, nice.

But then there's also girls that do that too.

I agree.

No, I agree.

They're girls that are like bitches.

And they will tell you, in Miami, they will tell you anything they want.

So you take them to the most expensive restaurants.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, no, I love you.

And then they go to Carbon.

They do little selfies and videos of themselves.

Excuse me.

It's because they're paying for it, right yeah exactly so yeah no i agree and you know

the dating scene too like you mentioned earlier when we first met actually you know i'm from la and is it is it different here i feel like again any major city that there's a lot of opportunity to you know you have a hot body and you're good looking i think it's always like i remember i went on a date once in la

guy right in front of me but there's a guy that was checking me out and i was checking him out by the time i went to the bathroom we exchanged numbers and it was like okay like on you know it's like so it just depends on what you want.

Like you said, it's phases, but also at the end of the day, I feel like when it comes to the sex, you just got to be open, right?

You've got to like really feel your body and just enjoy it.

I agree.

I do it like organically.

I feel like I'm dating someone, I want to have some kind of a bond with them, go on a few dates, see if we have things in common.

Right, of course.

But yeah, after a few dates, I'm like, okay, either we're going to be friends or you're going to kiss me.

And you know that too, right?

Yeah.

You know off the bat.

bat.

Well, sometimes it takes a few dates.

It's, I don't know, it's a little weird.

Like I said, I'm I know nothing about dating.

Let's be honest.

I was married for 14 years, and my dating experiences have not been the best.

So I'm like, I'm like a freaking teenager.

I have no idea what's going on.

And when I read these rules, like I watch this dating experts, oh, wait three months, wait two months.

Then my guy friends, I have a recurring guest that I interviewed.

His name is Cute Guy, and he never shows his face.

He's super gorgeous and successful, like even he's not gay.

And he tells me it's a horrible idea for women to use their vagina as a bargaining tool.

He's like, If you do that to me, guess what?

I'm gonna go and go have sex with somebody else.

That's true.

It's like the pussy control, right?

You go.

Exactly.

And I don't feel good doing that to someone.

I feel so freaking fake.

Right.

But again, I think it depends on what you want, right?

If you, I mean, let's face it, I mean, we're all human.

We get horny.

We want that instant gratification.

Yeah.

It's just women or men, we're on that same level, but obviously, with men, we're a little more inclined to just separate the emotions with the sex, right?

And so, that's where it's a fine line.

And when we're ready to kind of date or see that there's a

some sort of future there, I think that's where we kind of pull back a little bit and say, All right, I'm gonna give this guy a chance and be like, All right, let's not go all the way there, but again,

let's gauge it and let's see how

that interaction between that person.

So, in your opinion, do you think, I know you were super honest, and I appreciate it, most men are pigs, most men are liars,

but do you, I mean, come on, there's got to be some nice guys out there that will tell us the truth and want to have a relationship, or is a lot it is a lost cause.

No, no, I think there's a lot of, I mean, I'm a nice guy, and I'm very honest when it comes to my intentions, you know, when you know, like that guy that said I'm super jealous, and I told him it's not going to work.

We can go fuck afterwards.

But as far as you see me again, or I'm seeing you, that's not going to work.

Yeah, and you're not ready for a committed relationship just yet, right?

Correct.

You just moved here.

I'm still testing the water.

Yeah, your business is thriving.

Anna's fruits is thriving.

So you kind of like...

There's a lot of things on my plate, but I think there's nice guys out there.

And I feel like I think women need to give those guys a nice chance, right?

Sometimes.

But also, you women also get, it seems like girls get bored with nice guys.

No, that's not true.

Well, that's not true about me.

I tell you that about me.

I don't like players.

I don't like bullshitters.

Of course, I've had my share of one-night stands.

And I think it's, like I said, phases in your life.

Now I'm at a phase.

I love being in a relationship.

So now I'm like, okay, I work like a maniac.

Now I want to have like the nice, adult, simple relationship.

I'm not desperate for it.

I love being alone.

I'm obviously super independent.

But when the right person comes, I want him to be like a mature man, not like a freaking player.

And I despise men that ghost.

Yeah, I think it's so fucking childish.

What do you think?

Well, I think ghosting is also kind of we're dealing with that.

Well, it's because of the instant social media, instant gratification, because everything now is so,

you know, you can get easy sex like this, you know, like Tinder and Hinge.

Yeah, but no, I'm saying, like, not, I know, I have to one, one night stand.

But if you're dating someone, like I was telling everybody on my first, my first and second episode, I was literally dating this guy.

Right.

Like, for a few dates after talking for months, and we're like making plans and everything.

And all of a sudden, he goes from texting me every day to two times a week, once a week, and then he disappears.

Well, did you give it up?

And he's like, no, I send him a couple of messages.

You know, ah, did I give it up?

Did I fucking

on the second date?

See, maybe there you go, you know.

Well, you so it depends, right?

But it was like this perfect.

You gotta listen to the first episode of the season.

We go on the second date, and we have this phenomenal dinner, we're drinking champagne, then we go to his boat, and it's like you know, this movie thing, the perfect night, and everything.

We're drinking champagne.

This guy's touching me all over, kissing me.

And I'm thinking, Am I really supposed to say, oh no, I don't want to have sex with you?

Have to go with it, right?

And then we had more dates after that.

Like fantastic sex after that.

I mean, you know, that's, that's just...

Why would a 52-year-old ghost?

It just depends.

I mean, maybe,

it's hard to say because we're all going through shit that we don't want to want to, at the same time,

let...

our baggage or not baggage kind of deploy on the other person.

So I feel like it just depends on where you're at, right?

And if you want fun, it's going to be fun.

But unfortunately, we men is we have a hard time truly expressing our feelings, which sucks.

I get it while you're so true.

That is so true.

And I'll speak on, you know, not every man is like that, but I feel like, you know, we're scared either to disappoint the other person or disappoint us when we're seeing that there's a good connection.

I don't know.

Or we're just, you know, at the same time, we could just be fucking players.

And that's just the way that we're going to be forever.

A few of my friends tell me that it's because men don't like confronting their feelings.

Like you said, they are not going to call you and send.

I think they should call or send even a text message.

Listen.

Hi, Kat.

You know, I'm so sorry.

I changed my mind.

Let's be friends.

I think it's so fucking childish to just go.

Sorry.

I think this is stuff teenagers do.

But a lot of my men friends tell me that men just don't like to confront their feelings.

They don't just don't want to bother.

Listen, Kat, you know, just a little bit tidbit about me.

It's just that I've been single for the past two and a half years on purpose because I've been a huge player as far as, you know, dating several people at the same time and this and that.

And it's like, you know, but I also, like you said, phases.

It's like now I'm at a phase in my life where I want to take things more seriously.

Yeah.

You know, you also have to do a little bit of the soul searching of where you want to be in your life and what kind of people you want to attract.

But I feel like that comes, I think, with age and with time.

Yeah.

And so

we won't ever have that because maybe it's by choice that they don't want.

You may.

I think the message at the end of the day is: if you're nice, you're going to be considerate whether you had sex or not.

Absolutely.

And if you're an asshole, you're going to be an asshole.

Whether you're good or big.

Does that matter, by the way, the size?

You know,

that's another major controversial one.

I think my I don't want to be rude to guys with time,

but it matters a little bit, right?

Yeah, that's why I say you've got to test the goods before you go all in because you don't want to get disappointed, you know.

And it's not just about

you got to make sure that you're going to be happy, you know, and vice versa.

You know, there's a lot of things that come in play.

I got to toss another one in there before you're not on the time.

So you've been heterosexual, which is amazing.

You've dated girls.

Correct.

Then you were telling that you had a threesome.

Yeah, plenty.

And then the girl left the room.

No, the first one.

Oh, my first one.

The room, and you realize you were having fun with the guy.

Yeah, my best friend in high school, actually.

I was 18.

We had a three-way with a girl, and she left the room.

We were at a house party, and him and I stayed, and we started to jerk off.

And then that never, but then I did it again in college, and that's when a kind of things transpired where I'm like, you know what?

There's something different about me.

But I'm enjoying it now.

But my question to you is: what do you think it's easier to date in the gay world, in the heterosexual world, or it makes no difference?

It's the same mess.

I think it's the same fucking mess.

If you can find another mess that

organizes your mess,

I think you're golden.

You know, I think it's like, at the end of the day, life is short.

Just enjoy.

I know.

I could not agree with you more.

Cheers.

Cheers.

You are so amazing.

I know I'm going to get like a gazillion questions for you because we didn't like dive in like 1%.

Let's go in.

Yeah, so if you're waiting for coming back, we can do like our little Friday restaurant around Miami.

We'd love to.

tradition so guys if you if you love to know more about our mark by the way his business is anna's fresh fruit yes fresh fruit that's probably if he has this body like that because of anna's i'm gonna start the anna's diet yeah no check us out today because today we're splurging a little brazil because we deserve it we work like freaking maniacs absolutely he's one of my crazy peeps you work as much as i do probably you have to you know work hard you play hard yeah you work

hard you play hard we do both things as hard as we can, and we go for it.

It was so amazing to have thank you, Kat.

Thank you so much.

What is tell?

Tell my listeners your Insta, please.

Yeah, so my Instagram is OBV01.

Obvious in boy, B as in Vorrect, 01.

And my business is Anna's Fresh Fruits.

Anna's Anna 1N, Anna's Fresh Fruit.

And I can't wait to try these fruits because I want to look like you.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Happy Friday.

Thank you.

This was Kat on the Lows on a Friday.

I'm sure I'll be back with Omar really soon.

And you guys have the most wonderful weekend.

Before I go, we are in Miami.

We are having a great time, but our hearts are broken.

If you guys heard the sirens and everything, we are like a few blocks from the horrific accident, a building collapse, and I am like in such shock and sadness.

And this is why I feel like, you know, embrace, enjoy the moment and really, really enjoy.

everybody that you love and your bodies and just just go with it.

I couldn't agree with you more.

So many times, we make so many plans.

What am I going to do next year?

Is he going to love me?

Is she going to love?

But the fact is, we have to live today because you literally don't know.

You can be sleeping in the building, like fall on top of you as horrible as this is.

So

enjoy the moment and whoever you are with.

And our message is just be honest, right?

Be loving.

Be honest and go with the flow.

And again, when it comes to just the sex part, just guys, straight guys out there, just let your girl do whatever they want with you.

You know, sleek and put the finger there, you're gonna love it.

So, no, and that doesn't make you gay.

But you know what?

If you want to be gay, that's good.

You can be both.

I have a lot of male,

we can't talk about it because we don't have time, but I do have a lot of heterosexual guys.

They're married, but they're also my guys, but they're embarrassed to tell the world.

And I've been with a lot of married men, so that's another episode.

That's a whole other episode.

Stay tuned.

Have a wonderful weekend.

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