WINGMAN OF THE YEAR DATING SHOW

My guest today, Hunter Werner, created a really fun dating show called Wingman of the Ear. And it's so organic.
It's so fun. Some of his videos on social media are getting millions of views.
You guys got to check it out. So when he approached me to be on Cat on the Loose, I was like, absolutely.
I got to talk to this guy because what he's doing seems so fun and so different. And he started it very naturally, like he explains it, to drink beer and have fun with his friends.
And he's growing a very, very solid fan base. But I figured this was not the episode that we could sit down at a studio and just talk.
I needed to be out and about and just do it very organically because that's the style of his work and that's the style of Canada Luz. So I was in New York for a business trip and he lives in Albany.
So he took the train down to Manhattan and we shot the entire episode organically walking around the streets of Manhattan with no planning, zero script, and I didn't edit our conversation at all.

So I hope you guys really enjoyed this very fun conversation with the super nice, super

talented, and extremely good-looking hunter, host of Wingman of the Year.

Yes, girls, he's super good-looking.

He's taken, but he's very good-looking.

So major eye candy, you're welcome.

And don't forget to go look at the video episode on my YouTube channel, Cat on the Loose Podcast, and on all my social media platforms if you just want to see little chunks of it, because it's really, really, really fun. 100% organic episode on the streets of Manhattan.
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Hi, Hunter. I like that.
Hey, thanks for having me. Welcome to Cat on the Loose.
So before we start, we're going to explore this neighborhood that I've never been in, Chelsea. Me either.
By the way, girls, you're welcome. Because other than being super nice and fun, we're going to talk about your work.
You're major eye candy. Oh, my God.
So I know the girls are going to... You're wingmanning for me already.
I know. So I know the girls are going to send me 10 million messages like, who is he? Where did you find this guy? What's going on? I'm going to be out of a job as a wingman if you keep this up.
So explain to me, because everybody wants to know what you do. What is the wingman and how did you come up with this idea yeah so pretty much uh i'm the wingman of the year uh my company it's a digital media company we make a lot of content it's a lot of dating show content yeah and uh yeah we also let me put the umbrella away hold on because it stopped raining thank god a little bit right it stopped raining's top three.
Yeah. Okay.
Oh, wow.

Look, Google has a store.

Oh, no, it's Apple.

Curiosity killed the cat.

No, because New York is so different from L.A.

It definitely is.

Yeah.

All right.

So I host dating shows.

I also nominate people for Wingman of the Year.

So when you say you host dating shows, what does it mean?

Explain.

Explain from the guy. It's from scratch.
Okay. so Wingman of the Year, it's a brand.
Think of it as a network, and there's multiple dating shows underneath it. Okay.
We have Wingman of the Year Live, which is our flagship show. Okay.
And that's literally a live interactive dating show. Okay.
And we've got a live audience. And here's the catch.
All the contestants on it, they have a wingman. So before the contestants come out, the wingman's pitching them.
So it could be your best friend. It could be your mom.
It could be whoever. So let's say if you're the contestant, your best friend.
Oh, wait. Stop.
Should we go in here? Because we don't have this in LA. Look.
Starbucks Reserve Roastery. There's like really interesting places in New York.
There's endless places. That's the thing.
What do you think? Yeah, should we grab a coffee here? Yeah, what's Chelsea Market? I know. Oh, look, I told you I knew.
Look, Google Store. New York is very interesting in that way.
Like there's a lot of, other than the that is like, seriously, I, New York has no offense to you. I don't know how you guys live with the stress of the traffic here.
Right. But I thought the LA traffic was worse from what I've heard.
No. Let's grab a coffee and continue explaining.
If I learn how to open this door. You need your wingman.

So it's a contest.

So let's say you're the contestant.

Your friend would come.

Wow, look how pretty.

Free sponsorship.

Starbucks is not sponsoring this podcast.

Should we go up there? They're getting free marketing for hundreds of thousands of people.

Not that they need us. Oh, wow.
So pretty. It smells so good in here.
Okay, and where do you do this contest? So the shows, the live shows, they can be anywhere. We usually do them at comedy clubs and whatnot.
So we've only done a handful so far. We're looking to our next one.
Hint, hint, this is an exclusive. We might actually have Miss New England on a show in June.
So she's going to be our bachelorette and we're going to try to wing Miss New England. Miss New England? Miss New England.
It's not official yet. Is she pretty? She's very pretty.
That's how she got Miss New England. No offense.
Yeah, sometimes the missus are not that great. Careful with the stairs, Sam.
Oh, wow. I want to see that place.
You want to go up here? It's so pretty here, right? I'm starting to really get the concept of cat on the loose. I like this.
It's literally i know i'm telling you it's literally on the loose i'm telling you i told you this is what it means to be organic we don't script and you have no idea what's going on right it's you don't know where you're gonna end up and you told me you were game for that like i'm just following you around but that's your style as well yeah is. It sure is.
Yeah, so we can really do the shows anywhere. We do a lot of other shows that are in-studio shows as well.
Oh, so you go to the studio. So tell us about the show in the studio.
What do you do in the studio? So we got a show called Hot Date. It's kind of like a parody of hot ones, but instead of interviewing famous people, me as the wingman, as the host, I put them on a blind date, give them extremely hot chicken wings, burn their mouths off, and have them answer questions they wouldn't want to answer on the first date.
That doesn't sound like fun. We got spice dating up, and I'm quite literally spicing it up.
Oh, my God. You want to go on it? If you did that to me, that would be the end of me.
I would die. I cannot eat spicy food.
Well, it's certainly not for everybody. I don't think that's the most romantic thing in the world.
But, no, I think, like, the thing with my dating shows, though, I actually think they work, though, because these people are both suffering, or they're going through an uncomfortable... Suffering.
Even Karen behind the camera is laughing's good content romantic like no I think that making them bond though is really tell you something girls when we are dating we don't want to be suffering we want to look cute you know and have our lipstick all like you know and minty breath you know you don't we don't want We just wanna be our mouth like I know these shows especially the hot the hot date show yeah it evens the play-in field you're both going through a similar experience you're nervous to be on a first date people are nervous for first dates in general right I'm different no I'm not you're built different I'm built very different I actually think it's funny when the guy is very nervous it It turns me off. It turns you off? Yes.
I only like the guy if he's not nervous. Girls like confidence.
That's what we're told growing up. If the guy is freaking out and too nervous, I'm like, next.
Next. Next.
I don't want to. Well, maybe hot date's not for you, but we've had some success.
I want to see the videos. Should we get, okay, we're not going to get hot food in Josiah Tropia, but so I just wanted to see this place.
It's really cool, right? Yeah. You're welcome, Starbucks.
Are we going back on the loose? Yeah, let's go back to. We're exploring this area in New York that I've never seen before.
It's a beautiful show, right? I like it. You've never been here either, right, Hunter? No, and I live in upstate New York, but I've only been to, like, Yankees games.
Yankees games. The door is crazy.
Starbucks reserved rosary. That's really cool.
Why don't you guys do one of these in LA? You can do it out here. In LA, yeah.
Why do you own the You could sit right here. If you want it to, or you want to keep walking.
No, let's keep moving. She likes it.
Let's take advantage of the fact that the rain is giving us a break, right? Let's do it. I always heard about this neighborhood Chelsea, but I've never been here.
I usually stay in upstate, upstate, Upper East Side. You're from upstate now.

Upper East Side.

Watch out for that car to your left.

I know.

Yesterday I almost got hit a bunch of times walking around New York.

And Karen's like grabbing my car because I don't know how to cross the street. The camera person's got the hardest job today.

I know.

Walking and trying to see where she's going.

I know.

I don't know how she's going to do that.

We're getting the full experience.

And I know.

I had no idea that Google had stores. So that's interesting.
So how did you come up with this idea to do this wingman situation? Oh, man, that is a long story. That's usually the go-to question.
Can you give us the short version? Yeah, yeah. So I started making content four years ago.
I really just wanted to make a brand. Pretty much just knew I wanted to be a content creator.
I wanted to start a company where I could hang out with my friends and drink beer. Sounds very immature.
But anyway, it's working. And the main pillar of wingman of the year is to be a wingman.
And being a wingman means to be a good person and to be a good friend, more importantly. So being a wingman doesn't have to be dating uh-huh you know it could be like holding an umbrella or opening the door for you you know what i mean so stuff like that but uh it was built on the pillars of friendship and my friend in high school i hooked him up with a girl 11th grade at a party the cop got her the cops busted the party he hooked up with a girl in a field uh after they ran out the back monday in school he calls me the wingman of the year um years later i start the company and now every year we uh announce the wingman of the year and now we're doing these dating shows so it's evolved over four years really growing and some of your videos i saw one of your videos on instagram you got like seven million views yeah that's uh i do It literally really growing.
And some of your videos, I saw one of your videos on Instagram, you got like 7 million views. Yeah, that's a lot of it.
It literally went viral. Hint, hint, this is another exclusive.
We'll announce it in two to three weeks. That guy in that video is going to unanimously be the wingman of the year.
I mean, he deserves that honor. He's awesome.
So I actually did that show Hot Date with him. So I just did a one-on-one with him.

Because he was saying how he liked chicken wings when I asked him if he was a wingman.

I got him as chicken wings.

I don't know if he liked them, though.

But it was funny as hell. That's really funny.

I love that.

Now, let me ask you.

You guys are young.

You're very young.

You and your friends.

Do you think these dudes that you're you know on these dating shows are they actually interested in being in relationships or at this age in your early 30s are you just interested in and please try to be as honest as you can if you can yeah are you just interested in meeting cute girls and, you know, at this point in your life, just having fun?

My contestants or me?

Your contestants.

So they're all different ages, but yes, they're usually like in the mid-20s range.

Yeah.

Pushing 30 and whatnot.

I think some of them are.

I think some of them still have to figure out their dating goals, but dating is an absolute mess right now.

Oh, yeah.

For everybody.

It's a shit show i was

guesting on another podcast the other day they dropped a fact on me um it's getting close to 50 percent of like i think the american population yeah is single it's like 46 right now oh really and it used to be like 20 way back when before social media so it's there's no better time to be a wingman than now. So people, you know, they need help.
Dating's awful right now. Yes, it is.
And the problem is probably social media. There's too many options.
Dating apps. Yeah, there's too many options.
There's too many options. If you get in a fight with somebody, you get an argument with like the person you're dating, this is why there's situationships.
Yeah, they're like, okay, bye, I'm going to go find somebody else. This guy, he's been in my dms or like hey this girl treat me better and it's on everybody so it's a huge problem and nobody sticks it out anymore yeah that is super true yeah and I think I always say that on the podcast I think apps, of course, the good side is it gives you like an opportunity to meet people that you would never cross paths with otherwise.
But also, it created this culture that people just order each other like Dardash, like food, you know? Pretty much. Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
And you see mature men just like, you know, acting like teenagers.

There's too many options.

Yeah, there's too many options.

It comes down to that.

For sure.

It's an absolute problem.

Yeah.

But that's why I think some of my dating shows help with that.

It takes them outside their comfort zone.

Like I was saying back at Starbucks there, that bond of like, hey, we're going going through this same situation we're a little bit because i think growth happens when you're uncomfortable do you agree one million percent okay so i think my show does that and you're like whoa we have this common bond and like it is almost romantic but maybe not the chicken wing part we have other dating shows the chicken wing is not romantic at all i would not do that. Like, if I was crushing on a guy, I would not want to eat chicken wings in front of that guy.
Well, that's how I get the people on the show. I give them free beer, chicken wings, and some sponsored merch.
Oh, my God. That is fun.
Got to get them on somehow. Would you want to eat chicken wings in front of a guy you had a crush on, Karen.
Hell no. Hell no, see? I don't wanna have stuff like dirty teeth in front of a guy.
No, no. It's working.
Like I said, there's other shows. The live show I do, that's more like the prom.
That's where everybody gets dressed up. Everybody gets a walkout song.
Yeah. And it's like, it's like an adult prom.
It's like, everybody gets to be the star that night. How about you? Let's talk about your dating life for a minute.
Cause I know my DM is going to like be, I know all my girlfriends in LA and girls all over the world. They're going to be like, how are you dating? Are you in a situation ship? Are you available? Oh, is that the question? Yeah, that's the question.
So I'm dating someone right now pretty exclusively. I don't, you know, it's tough to put what a word on a situationship is.
We're definitely not boyfriend or girlfriend. Probably pretty close to.
But you said you're exclusive. Yeah, yeah.
Doesn't that make you a boyfriend? She's younger than me. I don't get girls nowadays.
Especially the younger ones. But doesn't that make your boyfriend she's younger than me i don't get girls nowadays especially the younger ones but doesn't that make you if you said you're exclusive doesn't that make your boyfriend girlfriend no not in this world no really yeah you don't know that what makes your boyfriend girlfriend yeah i don't know you have to say it so when you say the boyfriend girlfriend thing there's exclusive than boyfriend and boyfriend and girlfriend.
There's a lot more responsibilities. So people could be like, hey, we're just screwing each other or whatever.
When you do that boyfriend-girlfriend thing, it's like, hey, you got to meet my parents. You got to get me a birthday present.
And I think people are scared of that commitment because there's so many options out there. Oh, my God.
That's a new one on me. So what does the exclusive part entails? I'm exclusive, but I don't have to do what? Meet your parents? It's different for everybody.
Oh, really? Yeah, I mean. So you don't want to be her boyfriend? Or who decides? I wouldn't say it's on me.
I think I'm a little older and a little more mature when you say she's younger what does that mean like how much younger how old do you think she is based off what i'm saying let's play a game uh 18 no my god no that's like that should be illegal under 21 should be illegal no she's 23 okay that's not too young I'm 29 for reference people. Okay.
Okay. That's okay.
That's okay. And she's how old?

26. be a little bit.
No, she's 23. Okay.
That's not too young. I'm 29 for reference people.
Okay.

Okay. That's okay.
That's, and she's how old? 23. Okay.
That's not bad. You're 29.
She's 23.

I think that's right. Yeah.
That's good. I think it works.
Yeah. I think it works.
I don't know.

Some people might find it creepy. I don't, I don't think it is.
I don't know. She's over 21.

She's graduated college. Yeah.
Okay. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Have you met her parents? I have. I met her mom.
Oh, does her mom like you? She loves me. Oh, there you go.
Every mom I've ever met has loved me. You're a boyfriend.
Okay. I think you're a boyfriend.
You want to tell her that? You want to call her live on the podcast? Yes. Let's call her.
What's her name? I think she's working right now.

She's going to watch.

What does she do?

She's a teacher.

Elementary school teacher.

Wow.

She's very wholesome.

What's her name?

Sydney.

Sydney.

If you're watching this podcast, you have a boyfriend.

You have a boyfriend.

That's funny.

You're wingman in for me.

For all the girls in LA and her. Okay.
Andleuze audience he's taken at least for now he's taken so don't don't even send me dms because I cannot help you that's funny do you have any single available uh friends I do I don't know if I'd recommend all of them no especially to your LA audience I don't know if they're their cup of tea the upstate new yorkers so let's talk about that for a minute i i hear this all the time let's see if we have the same opinion okay oh i like that we change course because this is a little more peaceful new york is a very noisy city guys i mean obviously i'm an l.a girl and i love new y York, but New York is a very, very noisy city. I don't know how people live here all the time.
Over here it's quiet though. It's exactly, this is very peaceful.
Looks like a, look, looks like the street that Carrie from Sex and the city lived in. One of, right? Like one of these little brown, like, maybe it was one of them.
A little stair. Like her apartment had like a little stairway like this.

I like it.

I never watched Sex and the City, but...

Are you serious?

You think I would?

Oh my God.

Yeah, you should.

It's an icon.

You have a dating show.

You need to...

You're right.

I think I watched every episode 10 billion times.

All right. I need to get more cultured.

Yeah, because... No, because it's a part of your job now.
But anyways, this is what I wanted to tell you. I hear it from girls all the time.
Like, for example, LA girls, the single girls, they say, oh, it's so hard dating in LA. Then New York girls, such as Karen, she's like, oh, it's so, I wish everybody could see her face behind the chair she's so cute then New York girls that are single they're like oh it's so hard dating in New York and then Miami girls and everybody's complains about the geography if they don't find the right person right I personally think dating has nothing to do with geography because i think there are good people and bad people anywhere you know and uh i i interviewed this really really really successful dating coach from europe this woman kicks ass she's phenomenal and she used this analogy that i absolutely loved i gonna forget that for the rest of my life.
She said like when you go to a market to buy food, you don't go to the market and you're like, oh, let me try to find the rotten peaches. Where are the rotten fruit? Okay, that's a good analogy.
Yeah, you go and you're like, oh, I wanna find the shiny mangoes, the shiny bananas. And it's the the same thing with dating you don't try to find like the shitty people but all these girls complain and they think it's like regarding the place where they live so my question to you is you do dating shows in new york yeah do you think geography has something to do when it comes to dating like for example do you Do you think, do you see the guys in New York are like more as players? Do you think that plays a part when it comes to dating or you don't see that at all? I can only speak on my experience and I will always speak from only my experience.
For my dating life, I have seen New York girls, maybe not New York city in particular, are actually like harder to like impress or obtain. So like when I was in the Navy and whatnot, and I was out in New Hampshire and like Boston and whatnot, way easier.
I don't know if the guys are shorter in Boston and that's why I was doing better. But, uh, I think there might be a little bit to the geography.
Really? I don't know. I don't have studies on it, but there's something to it.
I think New York girls are tough. New York girls are tough.
New York girls are tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's very... I mean, like it goes back to the thing.
There's so many freaking options. Have you ever been to a restaurant where there's too many options on the menu?

Yes.

And you're like, I don't know what to get.

It all looks good.

You know?

But these girls had all these bad dating experiences and they're like, this all looks bad.

I don't want to.

Yeah.

I'm scared to try it.

So this is where you need a wingman.

You need referrals.

Stuff like that, right?

I love that.

If they can get through your friends, they're probably good for you, right?

To do like maybe to filter all the options.

Thank you. referrals stuff like that right i love that if they can get through your friends they're probably good for you right to do like maybe to filter all the options yeah it makes sense i'll be your wing girl and you'll be my winger maybe you should start you have the wing man maybe you should start the wing girl well we actually have the instagram part for wing woman of the year So I've already thought ahead of that but as we're growing i think uh you'll you'll see the the wing woman eventually someday hosting some dating shows let me know i want to participate let's go we won't get you on hot date though with the chicken wings no please can you come up with something that makes us look really cute on camera yeah yeah, yeah.
Like, we could eat strawberries and chocolate. I got a ton of ideas.
We'll make something happen. I think we turned the wrong way because we're trying to go to, like, this really pretty art gallery that I want to show you, but I think we turned the wrong way.
You know exactly where it is? I have no idea where wearen knows we're winging it we're winging it by the way you're doing a great job winging it with me that's what i do i love it you're my wife of guests when i people watching at home are getting the full cat on the loose experience getting the full cat on the loose experience because this is what i when i'm when you said you wanted to do my podcast and we talked about doing it via zoom right because i'm in la and you were here and i knew i was gonna come to new york i immediately thought we have to do this together because that's the style of your work yeah and it's the style of my work and it's so. No, yeah.
You know, I'm a firm believer in like everything happens for a reason. And when you had to reschedule and it's like, oh, you were coming to New York the next week.
I'm like, this works. Like this was supposed to happen the way it was supposed to happen.
Totally. And I always, I mean, Zoom for me is the last resort.
Because I think there is nothing like the real interaction. Yeah, you miss a lot of those human social cues and body language.
They say that's 90% of communicating. Yeah, no, totally.
And you know, honestly, podcasting right now is obviously a huge fever. There is over four and a half, I think, million active podcasts in the world.
I am very proudly on the top 0.5% on global ranking. But I have to say, no disrespect, of course, to any podcaster in the world, but I like taking it out of the studio because I like doing something more personal.
And I like showing more, like, the experience of my guests, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Like, your personality.
I don't want to just people hear your voice. Like, now if they, oh, who is this hunter guy? Yeah.
Why is this handsome? Look how tall he is. He's very tall.
It's, like, more like a reality, like, podcast. I don't know if that's a thing.
No, yeah. It is a thing.
Cat on the Rose. That's what you mean by organic when you say it's an organic podcast.
It's organic. And we don't edit and we don't script.
We have no idea how it's going to happen. Where are we at? We just wing it.
We're winging it. We got a golden retriever up here.
And we got it. Oh, it's so cute.
It's so happy. It's so precious, baby.
I miss mine. I think he smiled at you.
I miss my baby. Of course.
I'm a dog mom. I have two babies.
There you go. Tomorrow I go home.
Dogs are some of the best wingmen. Oh, my God.
Any guys listening at home, get a dog. That should help.
Oh, yeah. I have two.
And it's so true. Like, when I'm walking my babies, guys, like, when I'm walking alone, it's funny, that's a good question for you.
Like guys, I have this theory that most men are very shy approaching women. Oh yeah, they're scared of rejection.
Right, yes. It's part of the game though.
So shy, so shy approaching women. Oh look what a cute diner, that's so cute.
That is awesome. Like in Beverly Hills, they will look at you.
Like we go, we get all dressed up and stuff, go to happy hour. They will look at you and flirt with you the whole night.
But they don't come and talk to you. They will like wing, wing, you know, like teenagers.
But they don't come ever. Like if I walk alone on the street, never, ever, ever a guy will come and talk to me.
But if I'm walking my dogs, there is always a guy that comes and says something to me. Okay.
Like because they're not embarrassed, you know. Oh, what a cute dog.
No, it makes it. I think this goes back to the option thing.
And then these guys, the girls are maybe a little more picky. And now the guys are scared to approach the girls.
And I have this theory. I don't think it's a theory.
It might be a fact. I might be off a percentage or two.
10% of the guys are dating 90% of the women. 10% of the guys are dating 90%.
Think about it. Think about it.
Girls want the top of the top, right? Girls have to pick. Guys don't choose the girls usually right yeah but that 10 of the guys the top echelon of guys is dating 90 of the girls and then the other guys this is why you get incels and whatnot are mad at women because they're not getting any you think them huh you think them that much maybe it's 20 80 but i don't think about it what do girls usually complain about? Guys being players or whatever, right? Yes.
They're a player or they're awful to date. They're either a player or a loser.
Right, so that 20% is probably the player because it's usually the women that have the options because they have to choose. You don't see a lot of guys with options, And if they do, they're doing something right.
That's a very good point. And what do guys complain about? That the women are users? Like that the women want something from them? Right.
But I think I've actively been saying this. I think men are the problem in dating, but it's because they're scared of rejection I think dating is marketing whether you're a guy or a girl you need to market yourself yeah I agree so like we're swiping on these dating apps right how the hell are you supposed to stand out to somebody like so if a girl gets like 2,000 people dudes is swiped right on it how the hell is she gonna pick you how do you stand out? The apps probably aren't the best way to do it.
For example, my dating shows,

I'm giving open-minded people a reason to talk to each other.

I like that. And then if they're open-minded, they'll be like, okay,

they'll kind of see through the looks. I try to match them up with like off their looks a little

bit and like, yeah, they might work. And if they're open-minded, they had that common bond.

Boom. I like that.
And you know what? Most people, especially guys, they're horrible

Thank you. and if they're open-minded, they have that common bond, boom.
I like that.

And you know what?

Most people, especially guys, they're horrible when it comes to setting up their dating profile.

They don't know how to put a nice photo of themselves.

They absolutely don't.

It could be the nicest guy in the world, but when you see their profile, it looks so shitty.

So usually the girls don't even want to give them a chance. That's why it's marketing.

Let's say you got a business, you got a podcast, you need to market it, right?

Are we going straight?

Oh, we're going there.

Thank you. profile, it looks so shitty.
So usually the girls don't even want to. That's why it's marketing.
Let's say you got a business, you got a podcast, you need to market it, right? Are we going straight? Are we going there? That way? Karen is like incredible. She's filming us, walking backwards and telling us where to go.
Talk about a wingman, right? Yeah. She's the best.
I forgot what we were talking about. What were we talking about? The dating apps.
The dating apps. The dating apps.
That most guys, that's another thing you could help. Oh, we were talking about marketing.
They don't know how to market themselves. Well, that's the thing.
Like, you'd market a business, right? You market a podcast. You have to do the same thing in dating.
You can't just expect the girls to like you. Effort.
It's literally just effort. And I think that's lost nowadays.
And guys have to do the effort. You can't expect the girl, like sure, the girl could be like, hey, you're cute or whatever, but you need to, you need to sweep her off her feet.
She wants to be won over. Say that again.
You need to sweep her off her feet. Yeah.
You need to win her over, sweep her off her feet.

That's what they want.

That's how you make a girl fall in love with you. I like you.

I appreciate you.

You should be a dating coach for men.

I'm going to start with dating show hosts.

Yeah, dating shows.

So how do people, these dudes, oh, look, he's going to poop right there.

I feel so bad.

Look, I don't want to be mean.

Dog on the loose.

It's not the best place for dogs.

There is no grass for them to poop yeah i couldn't imagine it's tough for dogs yeah it's really tough right there is no park little angel obviously everybody notices that i'm like from. But it's a tough place.
It's a tough place. So if somebody watching us, like, okay, I want to participate on these dating shows.
How do they apply or how do they find it? Yeah, go to wingmanoftheyear.com or you can just search Wingman of the Year. Yeah.
There's an application page on there. It should just say dating on the tab on there.'s in all our social links like on our link tree and whatnot search wingman of the year um on any platform we should pop up and uh apply if you want to be on one uh we're trying to travel more and do these shows uh in other areas maybe la maybe new york um so yeah we're trying to expand and i'm going to try to wingman for as many people as I possibly can I quite literally want to on my tombstone when I go six feet under I wanted to say obviously wingman of the year but I wanted to say Cupid I want to be the Cupid of my generation I want to impact the population I hooked up so many people I love that because I'm It's all about spreading love.
So I love that you're saying that because I see so many people. And that's one thing that is really important to be doing this podcast.
So many people, especially women, they go through so many horrible experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they're like, oh, I can't do this anymore. I gave up.
A lot of people are quitting, guys and girls. Oh, my God.
It's getting, like, super cold. So I'm going to bundle up.
The applicants I get are struggling. You know, they're not finding the right person.
They want to give up, and they've lost hope. And the girls, they're like, I'm never going to date again.
I gave up on love. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't let the bad guys, the bad people make you give up on love, right? You got to keep going. And that's why this wingman thing works, because they're just open-minded.
Be open-minded. Yes.
And just have a conversation. And I tell them all, because I make everybody feel comfortable.
That's the first thing I do before they come on the show. Make sure they're ready for it.

I tell them, you can say no at the end.

There's no pressure.

You know, you at least got the experience. Yes.
Put yourself out there. And they always walk away with at least a little more confidence.
Absolutely. And like you said, it's all about you have to put yourself out there.
And that's another thing. I think when COVID hit, a lot of us, we got used to sitting on our ass on the couch and scrolling endlessly, endlessly through dating apps.
So nowadays, I'm like, guys, get out of your ass, get out of your couch and put yourself out there again. So even if you do, yeah, make an effort, go out in real life because there.
Because there is nothing, like we are doing it today. We're on the loose.
There is nothing like meeting people, interacting with people, have a coffee, go to a bookshop, try a new hobby. You know, whatever, walk around a new neighborhood in your city because you never know who you're going to meet, you know.
There is nothing, nothing like meeting people in real life life and i think the dating apps are never going to be the never going to give you the same and another great dating tip is to have no expectations so i know a lot of guys are like they go out to the bars like oh i'm gonna get laid tonight and then they're pissed at the fucking world and then they're assholes because they didn't so no expectations best advice you could have and Especially for women too. You know that you said, you know why that's good you mentioned that.
You know why I never get nervous on dates. This is why I don't have an expectation like, oh my God, am I going to fall in love with this guy? This is how I approach a first date.
Well, that's where a lot of people get let down. They're like, all right, I have this bar to hit.
And if you're not right at it, you could be close, but it's like, nah. Yeah.
So people are giving up very soon. I approach a first date like, you know what? If I'm not a match, maybe we're going to be best friends.
Maybe you're going to be a business contact for me. Maybe my friend is going to like you.
So that's why I never get nervous. So this is a good tip.
If you go on a first date more like, you know what? This is a new experience in my life. As opposed to like freaking out about how you're going to feel about that person.
It totally changes the way. Oh, sorry.
We're going one are we going oh we're going that way i don't know i have no idea where we are what's the name of this part of new york i've never been here do you know where we are i just thought on the camera first is this chelsea i don't know i think so it says chelsea over there is it carry should we cross here oh hold on let's not get killed after this green truck yeah but that's a good idea like i want to go too much pressure oh my god let's not get murdered no serious i almost got hit a bunch of times yesterday.

Were you recording a podcast while walking? No, we were literally talking and walking and working at the same time. Love it.
The drivers here are very aggressive. You've got to want it.
You've got to put that effort in on the road, too. The drivers are very aggressive.
I would not ever attempt to drive here ever ever ever ever

I don't know where we're going, but I know we're going someplace. Huh.
I don't know

Say hot how many huh would you say somewhere hot? No, someone cute I think there's like a really pretty art gallery or a museum or something that I wanted to show you.

I might need to use your phone, you know. Huh? I might need to use your phone.
Okay, we're going to take a break and we'll be right back. This is Cat on the Loose, literally on the loose with super handsome, fabulous wingman hunter.
Wingman of the year. Yeah, we'll be right back.
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Let's do. So we're gonna do a little cut and we'll see you guys in there.
So we moved inside Little Italy. How do you love it? I love it a lot.
This is a lot going on in here. And you had a drink, which I love.
Yes, I might need another one here soon. Okay, we're getting loose with it.
You're welcome to have as many as you want. Appreciate you.
Because apparently the more you drink, the more you want to talk. That seems to be a trend.
That seems to be a trend. We were talking off camera.
So there's two subjects that I want to talk about before we wrap this up. Because this was a very interesting conversation.
The first one is, and I want your opinion. I was showing you a video of my dog Phoenix that stayed behind in LA.
And I mentioned to you that my ex-boyfriend Adam is not only pet-seating Phoenix, he's staying at my place, pet-seating Phoenix, taking Phoenix to the park. And you were like, wow, this is really civilized.
Yeah, that's definitely progressive. I got to ask, is there still something there? I'm turning this interview around.
Yeah, so no, but this is what I want to talk about because I want your opinion. Yeah, we met and we dated and na-na-na-na-na.
He was the one that broke up with me in a very civilized manner because we really liked each other, but we had nothing in common. We were like day and night, very different lifestyles.
We couldn't really connect for many different reasons. I was very hurt the way he broke up with me because it was just before my birthday.
And I was just going through a lot of different things in my life. So I think that was very hurtful.
But let's talk about the positive side. Don't you think it's nice if two people break up, if they can transform it into a really nice friendship and stay connected in different ways? I think you definitely got to set those boundaries, though.
I think that might be different for some people. What boundaries? I feel like some people, you know, like let's say I started dating a girl and she was friends with her ex I probably wouldn't like

that oh really yeah he he pets like if like if I was dating a girl and her ex pet sat her you know

her dog absolutely not red flag red flag why if I was dating right I don't know because like honestly especially the timeline you were like oh two months ago like I'd be like oh yeah he literally broke up with me a few days after Valentine's Day like the Valentine's flowers were still on my table and my birthday was coming up so I was very hurt about that because I thought I thought you should have waited until after my birthday so it would have been all right if he waited I think it would have been classier well he I think he split the middle is what he did I think he thought about this like there's valentine's day then here's her birthday let's get her through valentine's day and like yeah and like yeah yeah but if a guy wanted to date me i'm not gonna give up my friendship with him so it's funny you said that because i would say you know he's a big important part of my life well let's step back this is still fresh obviously you're not willing to give it up no but like honestly are you ready to date right now oh very ready a relationship. And he would be okay? This guy would be okay? Yes.
Because he said to me, he knows I deserve a partner. I mean, he put me back in the dating poll.
We were talking about that in the cab here, remember? I think Karen said something about that. And you said something about that.
Like, if somebody gives you up, like if somebody says, you were talking about situationships. Yeah.
Like you said, oh, there's a lot of people out there. And if you have a fight, bye, I'm going to go find somebody else.
My opinion is if somebody breaks up with you, they're basically saying, bye, go out there and go date somebody else. They're giving somebody else the chance to find you.
That doesn't mean they want, they, yeah, it would still probably hurt them, right? If he hooked up with another girl, would it hurt you? Yes, I don't want any of my exes to be happy with somebody else. There you go, see? You're a little possessive.
I want them to miss me forever and ever and ever. That's how we all are.
I want them to be like, oh my God, why did I give up Kat? She's the most fabulous. She's the last Coca-Cola Zero of the desert with ice under an umbrella.
That's a hell of an analogy. Have you been using that one or did you just...
I've used it before in the past, but I haven't used it in a long time. I don't think I ever used it on Kat on the Loose.
We're getting loose with it. We're getting loose with it today.
No, yeah, true. I haven't drank, but that's the truth.
I don't want any of my exes. I don't want to just see them.
I'm being very honest here, guys, with you guys. Vulnerability is good.
So why is that? You just got possessive? I get it, too. I don't know if it's possessive.
Yeah. Karen, do you want to see your exes with somebody else Karen's being honest Do you I do She's like I do She's like get away Do you I don't It depends It depends on the ex I'm not Like I had one ex I was like I genuinely I think she Dealt with a lot of depression And I was like I really don't think I can make her.
And it would make me happy just to see her happy. So I was at peace with it.
But then there's some like, hell no. Well, first of all, I have to say, I don't have a lot of exes.
So let's put that on record. I have very few.
It's on record. I have very few.
And the few ones that I have, yeah, no. I want them to really miss me forever.
But let's say you start dating a guy now Let's say you just started dating a guy Yeah But the timeline's weird Let's say you were dating a guy for like a month and a half Yeah I know that kind of runs into your timeline Of the breakup there And then you're like, hey, I'm going to New York for a couple days Here we are And then you were like, oh yeah, I got a sit. Would you tell that guy that you're dating that you got a dog sitter or it's your ex? I would tell.
I don't lie. Well, okay, lying and not telling somebody something.
I don't do. Yeah, I'm very black and white.
I mean, first of all, that's the funny thing about dating me, right? My entire life is on the podcast. So that's one thing that the guys say to me.
They're like, oh, my God, i know so much about you because the whole life so yeah like if they're gonna date me it's a very i'm very black and white i'm an open book so i don't like let's say i'm i'm that this imaginary guy that you're dating right yeah and you're uh you're telling me you're going to new york and i'm like what are you gonna do about your your dog? How are you parlaying? So I have a wonderful friend. He's an incredible man and he's kind enough to pet sit Phoenix because he knows I can only work if I have peace of mind if Phoenix is doing well.
Okay, so he's a friend, you said. He is.
But you didn't say he was an ex. But if the person asked, I would say.
I would say. So you're not lying, technically.
I'm not lying. I don't lie.
I don't lie. I never, never, never lie.
I do not lie. That's one thing about me.
I don't like lies. I think lies are like cockroaches.
Like, but there is one that is like 10 billion. That makes sense.
I think that's a bad idea. So would you be, if the guy got upset, if he found out it was your ex? It's probably not the guy for me.
I need a secure, strong man. You know how we were talking about loyalty? Karen actually asked you off camera, like, because you said you're being exclusive with your girlfriend, and she asked you, but how do you know you're being exclusive with each other? And said, it's it's all about trust you gotta have trust so yeah it's all about you need to trust each other so if this happened vice versa if the guy had uh his ex of a month and a half ago dog sitting i have to trust the part like okay do you have trust is a month and a half in i.
If I feel like, I think this is what I do with people, okay?

And this trick is really great for everybody.

You guys should try it.

I think the only way to trust someone,

you got to treat the person that you just met like a credit card.

Like I give you credit, right?

I give you a little bit of credit.

You don't give somebody like an unlimited credit card right away. So I give you like a small credit card, like let's say with a thousand dollar credit limit.
Okay. And then I give you more and more and more as you go.
I think that's a good way to look at it. It's a really good way to look at it.
It's the only way. You should trademark that.
I don't know how you would do that. Exactly.
But I think it's the only way to develop a relationship. Or just trust her? Yeah, but you have to.
Because if you start from the get-go, like, I don't trust you. Oh, it's an ex-girlfriend.
You're going to fuck her. It already starts from a negative perspective.
I like to start things from the positive perspective. So you're saying those thoughts wouldn't be there? No, not with me, because I want to start every relationship from a positive perspective.
So I'm like, okay, I'm giving you a small positive credit card. Go for it.
So if you ruin the credit, okay, I'm not going to give you more credit. You know what I mean? Yeah.
I like that. I like that.
That's how I, at least that's how I go about my relationships. And most people blow the credit, like real life, right?

Unfortunately, most people, and it's just human nature,

they turn out to be untrustworthy, right?

In the game of life, in any relationship for that matter.

So we were talking a little off camera.

It's the same subject here, changed a little bit.

Do you like

a little bit of jealousy?

A little bit of crazy?

Yes.

Okay.

I think jealousy

a little bit,

not crazy.

But jealousy

is a part of life

and caring about someone

and spice themselves up.

Because I like seeing it

from a girl

because it shows she cares.

I don't want like

you're like

staking my house out.

Oh my God.

No, that's crossing the cycle. But I want someone to be like, From psycho.
Like I like it when the girl's like, who is she? Like, I'm like, okay. Alright.
You don't want anyone else having me. Like, I like that.
Who is this cat on the loose girl? Exactly. That's what we want.
That's what we want. Yeah, let me look at her Instagram.
I think a little bit of jealousy a little spice. I agree.
It means they like you. It means they care.
Yes. And, you know, that's all it comes down to in a relationship is we talked about effort earlier in the earlier segments of this.
Effort and, you know, a little bit of jealousy. I totally agree.
It is the spice of the relationship. And so before I let you go, we were also talking off camera.
I got to elaborate on this this a little bit i know you don't want it karen was like i need another one he needs another drink waiter oh we're good you said in the beginning of the podcast you are on this because this is something new we never talked about this on kind of loose okay maybe it's something new and i want to learn but you said that do you really want another drink no no i'm good okay you're good you said you got you're dating this girl she's pretty but i have to say on record you guys are up to par with each other she's not here and you're here that's how it should be yeah you're super handsome and you guys if you're doing the audio episode Wingman if you're doing the audio episode

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He's super handsome. He needs to move to Hollywood and be on TV.
This confidence boost is outstanding. I'm going to take you to Hollywood.
I'm going to be your agent. I needed this.
Your girlfriend is not going to like me. She's going to be like, oh, she's going to take my boyfriend away to Albany.
What's her name? Sydney. Well, okay, you're his girlfriend.
So this is what we're going to talk about. You said you guys are exclusive, but she doesn't want to call you boyfriend and girlfriend.
So I said, there is situationship to me in my mind. If two people call each other exclusive, I mean your boyfriend-girlfriend territory.
And now you're telling me apparently there is a whole other level in between. Because she's saying you guys are exclusive, but she doesn't want you guys to call each other boyfriend girlfriend.
I think we're getting very close to it. There's a lot of steps we're taking but it's been been dating for a long time.
But yeah, there is this weird level there. And what do we call that level? That's the situationship level.
No, because situationships are not exclusive. I think they are, yeah.
No. They can be.
They can be. There's levels to a situationship.
Exactly, but I'm telling you, most situationships, people are dating other people. They don't know where they stand.
I'm telling you. Well, I think a lot of what comes into this is judgment from the outside.

So this is where the option thing comes in and other people's opinions getting in there.

And everybody's relationship is different.

But I think it's...

But did you ever ask her why don't you want me to call you my girlfriend?

I think we've had the conversation.

I might have had a couple of drinks.

Dun, dun, dun, dun. We're putting her on the spot.
Hey, I'm not on the spot. And what's her answer? I don't think we've had the talk in a little bit.
Because like I said, we took a break for a little bit and we got back together. Okay.
So I was like, when we had the talk, I was like, hey, it's still fresh. Like, let's take a couple more steps.
But there's a lot of layers to it. There's a lot of's got something different yeah mine sounds kind of difficult probably to people listening at home but yeah you know i mean i think we're both happy we make each other happy and uh i think we were talking maybe this was off camera but we were talking about like falling in love and stuff like that they don't call it fall in love they call it falling in love i think it's a longer process like oh you could be like head over heels over somebody yeah but it takes time to develop like oh i really care about this person i need to like i'm in love with this and you know i i've gotten to know her to a point where i know what she needs in a relationship is patience so i try to stand by her and give her that patience.
I know. You make me sound good over here.
But I think that's what she needs for a successful relationship. And I respect that.
And I don't want to make her feel uncomfortable at the end of the day. That's so sweet.
You win Boyfriend of the Year Award. Boyfriend of the Year? Man, I got to have that and Wingman of the Year.
That's tough. We got to start a new award for you.
We should. And you're super fun.
We should. I'm so glad we did this in person.
I think this was an amazing episode. Very organic.
And you got to see a little bit more of Manhattan, right? Yeah, I've only really come down for Yankees games and whatnot. And I only live in Albany and upstate New York.
See, you've got to come down to Manhattan a little more. It's a quick train ride.
I've got to travel more. Yeah, you've got to travel more.
And this is like, Manhattan is really fun. It's really exciting.
And I hope you do come down. You have an open invitation to come do an episode in LA.
Let's do it. And then we can do it organically.
I'll be there soon. Please.
And then we'll do one organically on the streets of Hollywood, Beverly Hills.

And then we can compare the dating styles of LA and Beverly Hills and Manhattan.

And if you want to bring your girlfriend, we make a lot of jokes,

which is more than welcome because at the end of the day,

it's all about everybody finding love, right?

I'm a sucker for love.

I'll say this.

Everybody deserves love.

I agree.

A lot of people don't think that they do, but they absolutely deserve love. I know.
And they shouldn't quit. They just need to relearn and rewire their brain.
And you know what? When you're out, get a wingman, have somebody hype you up. Yes.
A confidence escape. 100%.
And I always say that on the podcast. Even if you had 10 million bad dates, even if you got your heart broken, I've got my heart broken so many times.
Even if somebody treated you like shit, pick up the pieces, pull yourself by the bootstraps like my mom used to say and go out there again because you should never give up on love, right? It doesn't matter how hard it is. Everybody deserves to find someone.
Everybody deserves love. Keep going.
Check out the website Wingman if you want to participate on yeah wingman of the year.com go to our dating tab there's an application there a bunch of testimonials for people that have had success on the show you can check out our old episodes definitely subscribe on the youtube just search wingman of the year yeah i'm gonna put all your your all the links this podcast audio episode. And guys, please go check out the YouTube because you are really fun and you're really easy to look at.
And I'm so glad we did this in person. Yes, I'm happy with you too.
Thank you so much, Hunter. This was a really fun episode.
Cat on the loose, always organic. This is what I mean.
We take it out of the studios organic as hell into the streets people where real life

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