“I’ve… Been Through” (w/ Ariana Grande)

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Speaker 1 Look, Matt.

Speaker 1 Oh, I see. My eye.
Oh, my. Bone, look over there.
Wow, is that the culture? Yes, goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas. Ding-dong.
Las culturistas calling. Tactile as fuck.
Tactile AF. AF?

Speaker 1 I've been smiling and beaming all day. I woke up with a giggle.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I sort of leapt out of bed and then I looked at myself in the mirror and then I immediately got sad because I think I'm actually developing a sty. Blepharitis.

Speaker 1 No, it's if you develop a sty, you just nip it in the bud and you put rice in a sock, you put it in the microwave for 30 seconds, and then you just warm constantly. Is that the cure?

Speaker 1 All right, good. I was all nervous today because I've, so I literally was so excited for this.
I got a facial yesterday.

Speaker 1 I got a facial for the episode. Oh, fun.
I went to the Equinox spa and hotel, which is in Hudson Yards, really the best area of New York. Remember when I was looking for an apartment in Hudson Yards?

Speaker 1 I don't think I gave you any gut for it. I was like, if that's where Matt is happiest, Matt belongs at the theme park of New York City.

Speaker 1 And this is what I wanted wanted to tell you. Yeah, go, go.

Speaker 1 Are you, what do you, how do you feel about Rockefeller Center making a real play at being the only real technical zoned theme park in New York? Because that's what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 As the prince of Rockefeller Center, I actually have to say, we actually are the royal court of Rockefeller Center, if you think about it. We're the jesters in the court.

Speaker 1 So as a representative of the zone, I couldn't be prouder of my sisters who are making that place at theme park.

Speaker 1 They really are. They're very happy about it.
It's ticketed rides. You got to strap on a seatbelt.

Speaker 1 You know, I've gone to the top of the Rockefeller Center and, like, you go on the beam and it spins around. It's very thrilling.
You would love it, I think.

Speaker 1 Not yet, though. Is that my cue? No, not yet.
So, never mind. Don't worry.

Speaker 1 We'll get into it.

Speaker 1 So, if you sort of just like heard the voice, what? I'm so sorry. No, come on.

Speaker 1 I just need you to stay. Dave, you got it.

Speaker 1 How would you like me? This way? No, bone. You're actually leaning to your right, which I know you feel natural.
Can we go a touch to our left?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sorry for the flow, guys. I'm so sorry.
Just a tiniest little bit.

Speaker 1 I'm getting a lot. So, what do you want me to do? I just need you to go to your

Speaker 1 business. Thank you so much.
Perfect.

Speaker 1 No, it's okay. I'm really glad it's that and not what I thought it was.

Speaker 1 I thought she was coming in, like, guys, there's a fire. We got to get out of here.
Come on. Use all of this.
Stairs only. Wait, that's where my mind goes.

Speaker 1 She came in, and I was like, Something's happening. She had the energy of like, it's an emergency energy.
Well, yeah, that was emergency energy.

Speaker 1 The way the hair moved was urgent. Gorgeous.
Gorgeous. It was.
It was gorgeous and scary.

Speaker 1 Excited and scared.

Speaker 1 Here we go. No, we're back.
We're using all of them. We're using all of them.
All of it was used, is being used. And I won't.

Speaker 1 Even the part where I got a little snippy, I was like, I'm getting a lot. What do you want? No, because honestly, like, that's authenticity, bro.
And that's why people love Lost Culture

Speaker 1 with Matt Rogers and Bo and Yang because this is a real ass show. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And that was a real moment. And here's what I really want to say.
You've said the theme park thing. Do you know how I spent my morning? I've been thinking about the wicked theme park ride all day.

Speaker 1 I've seen the film and I want to unveil like what I think the experience of the theme park ride at an

Speaker 1 epic universe. Put it in between, there's a spot for it.
You put it in between Super Nintendo World and the Dark Universe. I feel like that's a perfect meeting for Wicked.

Speaker 1 It's Emerald City/slash/Oz, whatever they want to do. And I can't wait to pitch to our guest my idea for the theme park ride, the story of it.
Okay. Because I know we're with one of the true girlies.

Speaker 1 We're with one of the true Floridian girlies. Let's bring her in.
Talk about your pal. She literally saved my life i can't even look at you i

Speaker 1 love you she's the legend she's playing glenda and wicked part one maybe part two she's playing glinda you'll have to wait to see what happens at the end of act one does the character die who knows john

Speaker 1 imagine the twist of like they killed glinda in the middle of glinda

Speaker 1 oh my god they really took a swing

Speaker 1 that sucks we loved her performance from the first no

Speaker 1 If the Munchkins in Munchkin Land, it's like a dark wicked, like the dark knight.

Speaker 1 Our guest is a singular talent and icon. I mean, I am a fan.
I've always been a fan. This is surreal.
I can't believe she's here.

Speaker 1 I mean, Eternal Sunshine, one of the albums of the year, like to say nothing of everything else she's ever put out. I mean, I can't believe this is happening.
It's the film of the year, Wicked.

Speaker 1 And this guest you're about to welcome into your ears is the one, the fucking only Ariana Grande.

Speaker 1 That's my cue. Yeah.
I've been tempted to jump in every third sentence. That's sort of.
I'm so sorry. I know, but it's just been so tempting.

Speaker 1 We really work our guests up and then, and then they chime in, and then they're ready to go. Okay, so Titan.
Hi. Pitch.
Hi. Thank you for having me.
This is a blessing and a half and three quarters.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, this is perfection. Okay.
Do you want to know the wicked theme park ride? Tell me now. Because you want this to happen.
Of course I do. And I have ideas as well.
Okay, so let's collab.

Speaker 1 I think you go to like it's not shiz it's the emerald city and the vibe is like galinda live today is gonna address everyone the aseans like it's like we're all going already dating

Speaker 1 it's like okay so it's i'm already thinking about what when we're gonna have to shoot that Oh god, yeah. I'll figure it out.
I think about that sometimes, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like shooting like the theme park B-roll.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shooting like, you know, Hermione being like,

Speaker 1 don't forget to wear your seatbelts. Yeah.
You know, like that vibe.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I feel like, are they still doing that? Like, are they going to go out to like D. Radcliffe and I think they're on a contract and they're locked into something.

Speaker 1 Can you do your Hermione impression? Do you know what I'm talking about? Ron's been spinched. That's been spleen.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. Whatever you can do, there is something in the dust.
Ron, Ron. There is.
What is that? No, you can't.

Speaker 1 I love the vocal fray. It's so good.
It's a vocal what? The vocal fray. The fray.
Oh my God. I love it so much.
Yeah. Okay.
So Glenda's today, Glenda is addressing. Today, Glenda, live.

Speaker 1 Like, it's you and then, like, we, as the guests coming in, are going to like see the speech. And then something is, like, happening.
So this takes place between Wicked One and two. Okay.

Speaker 1 So in that area. Oh, that's fun.
That's fun. Like, so it's like, we believe that Alpha Buzz, like, a foot.
Yeah. Like, there's signs that are like, get the witch.
You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 right. And then, like, we get in the ride.
And I don't know the

Speaker 1 rest of this, but like, that's the setup. And, like, you are like, get ready to speak.
And then there's like weather.

Speaker 1 Weather. Morabel.
Steeds start to move. We think it's Alpha Butt, but we know it's morable.
It's Michelle Yo going. Yeah.
Listen. Yes.
Don't let her get away.

Speaker 1 If you want to. That's the best shot in the whole thing.

Speaker 1 When she turns. When she turns and the monkeys go.
Oh my God. Fuck this.
It's the best shot of any movie I've ever seen in my life. She's so hot.

Speaker 1 She's so beautiful and regal and powerful. And when she goes, Wicked Witch.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 What a choice to get quiet. Wicked witch.
Oh, please.

Speaker 1 I love Michelle. She's brilliant.
I've seen it. I DM'd you.
I'm blown away by the movie. And it's just

Speaker 1 like, you guys,

Speaker 1 just to leave the fake world of the theme park right now. Like, we'll figure it out.
Like, TKTK theme park ride, the very real film, is so brilliant. And like, you know, it.
You know it. You.

Speaker 1 Wickeds is a film about Fanny.

Speaker 1 It is. She's a gay boy.
He's a gay boy. Who wants to make it big in the world, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but

Speaker 1 she knows that the media landscape of Oz is not ready for a fafa. Very homophobic city.
A homophobic country.

Speaker 1 The best video in the world of you rehearsing it is that I, it's been in my drafts for two years

Speaker 1 of him

Speaker 1 his little pink like cap over your hair because we weren't ready to film yet with your little clips in

Speaker 1 and he's like half in wardrobe half in like some cute like bowen thing yep

Speaker 1 and he's just like

Speaker 1 what did he say wait what did madam or will say alpha mustn't get all right fine i'm gay

Speaker 1 the most interesting thing about yeah because i've watched it 300 times honestly how do we feel about um the original person person who read for Fanny at the table read for Wicked was Sutton Foster?

Speaker 1 What? Have I desecrated Sutton's name? Wait, no. What are you talking about? So in the original sort of like table read for Wicked before

Speaker 1 any of the shows, any of the whatever, any of the shows. That was Sutton Foster? They had Adina and they had Kristen, but then they had Sutton Foster.
Wasn't it? As Fanny? As Fanny.

Speaker 1 That is the most important thing I've ever heard. Yeah, it's crazy.
That is so spectacular. Like circa 2001 or whatever.
How did I not know that?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't know this either until people like were sending to me oh my god i mean she's gonna be so floored and proud and no way she's going absolutely she will

Speaker 1 you could run and i've been saying

Speaker 1 brilliance in this film i mean he lights up the screen like he lights up my life every time you come on screen i'm like

Speaker 1 in a word period

Speaker 1 so incredibly brilliant and i also just want like a string out of everything you said because

Speaker 1 i just i really do i want to string out let's bring string outs back i love string out string out today i want a string out

Speaker 1 of everything he said on that set. Yeah.
Yeah. I got to see last night.
Cynthia and I went to go do like

Speaker 1 watch along and make commentary thing. Oh, fun.
But while we were there, they showed us deleted scenes. Oh, and I got to see I've been through.
Oh my god. Wait, they kept it through.
I know.

Speaker 1 I've heard about it. I've been through.

Speaker 1 Talk about that. So they never want to know.
So they did, spoiler alert, they did cut the scene where Galinda meets Fanny and Shenshin again. But it's very cute, and you will get to see it.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? You will get to see it. It's coming out.
Because I want to see it. But that was my one notice.
I was like, well, who are they? Who are these guys? We kind of just made it all up.

Speaker 1 We kind of just like, John was like, all right, you guys meet here

Speaker 1 and maybe you do a little, you know, and we were like, perfect, we'll do it. And so we did the weird dance thing, whatever it was.
We did the weird dance thing.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, oh, how are you guys, really?

Speaker 1 And yeah, so Ari is going to go, so how are you? Oh, it's been so long. How are you guys, really? And then I, for some reason, made the choice to go,

Speaker 1 I've been through. And we said, I've been through for two years after that.
I've been through and then the other the other phrase was I have had scandal. I have had scandal.

Speaker 1 I have had scandal. I have had scandal.
Title of App. I have had scandal.
I have had scandal.

Speaker 1 I've been through. I've

Speaker 1 been through this title of app. Yeah, I've dot dot dot been through.
Which I love I've been through. I've been through is not it.
No. I've been through.
I've been through. Just I've been through.

Speaker 1 And we just all collapsed. It was so ticklish.
It was so funny.

Speaker 1 There was the coolest waitress I used to waitress with would always say, oh my God, that person is so.

Speaker 1 And never ever said the word after. That's the safe thing to do.
It's very safe. That's really safe.
New, you know?

Speaker 1 How was Ari? She was so.

Speaker 1 And then you get to, you know, fill in the blank. It's like,

Speaker 1 so, exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
It's an invitation for more projection. It protects and projects.
Yes, it protects and projects.

Speaker 1 Wait, but you thing I've I've been through is so funny to me because that's like minute three of the film. It's too much.
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 I understand why it's cut because it makes no tonal sense with the rest of the film.

Speaker 1 It lives on its own, but in the most brilliant way. Right, go ahead.
The same way that I don't see color lives on its own.

Speaker 1 Do we think that that comes too early?

Speaker 1 No, it's so funny and it's so brilliant. And it also is like, yeah, we're commenting on what we're commenting on in this film.
It's actually the most brilliant comedic way of saying, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's what this is about.

Speaker 1 I can't believe, I find it miraculous that that stayed in the final cut. It's the best that I was hoping and praying.
I had literally my fingers and toes crossed.

Speaker 1 I was sitting in the audience watching for the very first time. And I literally, John Chee was sitting right next to me.
And everybody was like, thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I was like, thank God. Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 So Bowen Yang ad-libs in the final cut. You guys, there's something terrible about an ad-lib that you do on set because you're with like a friend and you're disarmed and you're being stupid.

Speaker 1 And then you see it and then you go, well, fuck, a gajillion people are going to watch me do this stupid thing. And I have a lot of feelings about it as well.
And, you know, totally, totally.

Speaker 1 It's like once you leave the set and you're like, what the fuck did we just do? What does that mean? What the fuck did we just do? Because that's what we filmed. Right.

Speaker 1 Hope anything's okay. Right.
Yeah. It's like, wow.
I feel like I blacked out for two years and now I'm like, oh, right. Good morning.

Speaker 1 Now the people are come in. Come on in.
And the fans of Wicked are going to sit there and be like, we have a lot of feelings about what this has always been to us. And now this is the film.

Speaker 1 Which is such a beautiful, which is such a beautiful blessing and responsibility to have as people who also love it and have lived for this for 20 years and have done the research, like read the L.

Speaker 1 Frank Baum books and done their homework and have lived it and loved it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it's such a beautiful celebration. Yes.
And we welcome, we welcome the feelings. We welcome the feelings.
I'm a fangirl with those feelings about the things I love. Totally.
Of course.

Speaker 1 To quote the show, I ask you a question. What is this feeling now for you?

Speaker 1 So sudden and new. So sudden and new.
It was like two years of your life where you were like

Speaker 1 monastic. You were a monk being like, I'm going to like be so disciplined about this.
And now.

Speaker 1 I feel like it happened yesterday. And now all of a sudden we're like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 We have to like, in a way, like relive what happened and then also like package it into a way that like feels good for a sound bike right and promote and sell the thing and it's just like it takes this this transition from being this intimate really real feeling thing to us talking about it like it's a product and it's a very strange shift but I'm really trying to hold on to the humanness of it all and kind of just like

Speaker 1 Let that be what we talk about because it's so exciting to be able to talk about it.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't feel like a press tour the way it has maybe when I was doing it for music or something like that, because it feels, I don't know, it feels different for a million reasons.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Do you know what we kept saying when we shot it? Was like, it just feels like we're shooting a little indie.
A little student film. A student film.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like all of a sudden there's like a mark. Yes.
So it's like, I'm stepping on tape to do wicked. Like it's never been done like this before, and yet we're committing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that wall broke when there was like a man on a hang glider with a camera in the sky.

Speaker 1 And it was like Daily Mail on a parachute. We were like, oh,

Speaker 1 shit. Yeah.
So, so. Oh, sure.
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Oh, it's that.
Yeah. So someone flew in to try to get like footage.
Multiple people. Got the footage.

Speaker 1 And I actually saw it on Twitter and I was like, wait, what? It was like literally from like hundreds of yards away. Like, I think you could hear you doing your like color a Torah.

Speaker 1 That was one of the rehearsals. And they were like all the way across the water.
There was a little like river pond thing. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 there was a body of water. I'm big on water.

Speaker 1 One thing about Ariana, she knows her bodies of water. This cancer, she knows water.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will. Across the way,

Speaker 1 there was. We're going to call it a brook.

Speaker 1 Across the brook. Over the brook.
Yes, there was a ladder.

Speaker 1 There was a gay guy in a parachute. There was a gay guy with a camera.
The worst kind.

Speaker 1 A flying gay guy with a camera. Bowen, what are you doing on?

Speaker 1 Get down from there. We need you for the shot, damn it.
I was doing my band coming out of the closet. But no, it was a guy.
It was a guy sending a drone. It was a guy sending a drone up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but my favorite thing about it was like, I was like, I'm easy peasy. I was like, oh, it's, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 If Mark doesn't have a problem with it or John is okay, like, I'm going to just like do my job. I'll ignore it and I'll block it out.
Blinders on, whatever.

Speaker 1 But like, you know, a lot of people were concerned because it's a big deal, you know, for that to come out before it's supposed to come out. But no one really cared that much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were like, this, they were like, this. Well, what are they going to do exactly? And I was like, yeah, no, totally.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think I heard that there's people and I think I just saw some stuff. And they were like, oh,

Speaker 1 man. Well, from the top, everyone.
And I was like, oh, that's amazing. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 I was like, if you don't care, I don't care. Exactly.
Yeah. That's nice.
Yeah. That's freeing.

Speaker 1 And we love and we bless the people whose concern and job it is to like make sure things are like secure and safe. And like absolutely.

Speaker 1 But sometimes it is like other people kind of like like working you up

Speaker 1 into thinking that it's a huge problem when you're like when deep down like in your person you're like oh it's fine like I'll just keep doing what I do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we were all kept very safe and like there was never any sort of like danger in that way. And there's only so much you can do when we're shooting on these like massive outdoor sets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So instead of having everyone stress about it and become like anxious, like you said, and you know, if there wasn't anything that we could do, we just started to have fun with it.

Speaker 1 Like when the drones would come me and the munchkins would be like, hello.

Speaker 1 And then I started like taking my my wand and being like, Okay, that's another thing. Go away.
Yeah. Trying to make it fun.
But, you know, it's crazy. When did this happen?

Speaker 1 Like, when did you guys know it was friendship and not just like a colleague I enjoy? I mean,

Speaker 1 I was so

Speaker 1 over the moon excited that you were going to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 I called Lauren. You did.
You got

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 I knew about it. Is that okay that I was going to do it? No, reveal.
No reveal. It's almost like you're comfortable.
Well, because I knew that it was a huge, massive

Speaker 1 ask, and also probably an impossible one.

Speaker 1 And I didn't have anything, any sort of resolution to pitch him.

Speaker 1 But I just called him and I was like, hi, Lauren. Oh, my goodness.
How are you? And he was like, hello, Warrior. What's going on? Really good.

Speaker 1 Is there any way?

Speaker 1 Scoop the doll. That was the most nervous

Speaker 1 I've ever been. But,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 yeah, we made it work. He made it work.
You made it work. You exhausted yourself and worked yourself to the bone.
Yes.

Speaker 1 It's the only time that I've ever pulled like a pouty face in front of him to be like, I really want to do this. And then he was like, okay.
Okay, we'll do that again because it was cute as fuck.

Speaker 1 Show them what you did. I was like, I really want to do this.
And then I did.

Speaker 1 I basically did it. It was really tough what you put yourself through.
It was

Speaker 1 amazing. Zero regrets.
And I think the answer to the question is the minute you got there, I was just kind of like, oh my goodness. I hope that he

Speaker 1 is having the same experience that I'm having. Cause I like, I really want to be friends.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It was a star shower when I saw you, when we met for the first time. The stars exploded.
A collision. The stars exploded.
It was at Leavesden. We were doing rehearsals.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And then I remember like I was in my little room. I was reading a book.
And then you came in and barged in. No, it was so perfect.
I was too excited. I was too excited.
No, you weren't. I love it.

Speaker 1 Cynthia came in and gave me brothers and she was so fucking sweet. I'll never forget it.
And then, and and then you came in and then like, it was like, I just like, it was a meteor shower around you.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, this is so fun. I think the moment that it was like friends, I think, was when we watched Mommy Dearest together and then VHS.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Ari loves, you guys don't totally line on this, but Ari is a huge horror freak. Oh, you're a horror freak.
I am. And

Speaker 1 the way you said that, Ari is a little bit more. Ari is a huge horror freak.

Speaker 1 Does that sound bad? No, great. I've heard a lot worse.

Speaker 1 But yeah, no, that's lovely. Thank you.
You're a horror kindness.

Speaker 1 A massive kindness. Thank you.
What's your horror

Speaker 1 pick? What's the best horror film? I don't know. I really like.

Speaker 1 What are you doing?

Speaker 1 What are you giving? You loved VHS. And I'm just thinking because I watched Smile last night alone in my apartment.
Smile two or one? Smile one. Because I want to see Smile Two and Smile.

Speaker 1 So I would go tonight. Let's go as soon as we can.

Speaker 1 I wish I could. And how did you feel? It was disturbing.
It's a good one. You like it.
It's a really good one. I do.
So Si Bacon star. love so

Speaker 1 she is a talent she's a talent but god that ending is crazy it's a lot yeah it's a lot so

Speaker 1 i love that i love that i love heart wait apparently well because apparently smile too also ends in a way that you're like yeah let's go let's go you don't like though i get really anxious upset scared freaked out frustrated and i got you she got you got me you're gonna protect me out there you know what you know what i do do though what haunted house and we just did the sickest oh my god talk about this we were truly in the woods in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 We were where in Pennsylvania? The Pocono. Oh my gosh.
Okay. Yeah.
So Sudie Bowen and I went just to like get a little fall moment. Right.
It was like an unassuming haunted house.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like, oh, this is like in the middle of nowhere. It's not going to be like a bunch of people.
No, but those are the ones. Those are the ones.
Those are the ones. Those are the ones.

Speaker 1 Because there wasn't that many people there, which meant the groups. when you're traveling through were small.
It's not like Halloween Horror Nights where it's like

Speaker 1 a thousand people are there. And you have to sign like waivers and stuff.
And we didn't sign a waiver

Speaker 1 that's what i'm saying when there's no waivers all bets are off yeah but usually that's gonna be scary usually though if they touch you you're supposed to have signed a waiver we were getting really haranged by these people and i loved every second of it but that's what i'm saying there's no waiver in place so they really can't

Speaker 1 the wild polka's yeah yeah yeah we were in the wild polka's at the craziest hunted house you can think of i want to go now it was what 40 minutes long how long was it i swear to god no breaks no breaks no breaks relentless horror how do you think how much space did that take up it was a big footprint was it like a two mile yeah extravaganza big big footprint like a compound basically it was we stayed at this resort and and like the guys like as they bring you in they're like okay guys so it's a bunch of actors but like they're just doing their job so yeah these people work in the kitchen at the resort they said like these people work in the kitchen so it's like low so we've we were like okay so it's low stakes not at all it was insane well they're letting it out they're letting it out they're letting it out oh the screams were not safe right let's just say they came from here like it was like a woman flying out of a corner like like what do it it was you i'll do it it was like this it was like get out

Speaker 1 help

Speaker 1 i love screaming and we were just

Speaker 1 divine the only way you can respond to that is with a scream at that level yourself. So we were just like, ah!

Speaker 1 Right. I love when you scream.
You sing the best scream.

Speaker 1 How do you feel as the professional celebrated vocalist? Oh, wow. What is your sure? Thank you.
Is this not

Speaker 1 your first time you're hearing all this? That is. I needed that.
Yeah. What is your opinion on screaming? Because some people, it's divisive.
How do you scream?

Speaker 1 Oh, like that.

Speaker 1 Like that. See, and wait, for that to have happened in the second, wait.
By the way, we saw how she screamed, and it's like this. Oh!

Speaker 1 It was giving the soft palette.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Look at her. She cleans up her own eyes.
Look down and grow, everybody.

Speaker 1 Do we get this I?

Speaker 1 Kiss my ass. Kiss my ass.

Speaker 1 Oh, I loved getting that look from her. Oh my gosh.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 She whizzed. Wait.

Speaker 1 What is your opinion on screaming? Yeah, how do you scream?

Speaker 1 I don't, you know, listen. You're at Halloween Horror Nights, and something.

Speaker 1 She kind of did it, though.

Speaker 1 No, that's not my.

Speaker 1 That's not my, that's not that. I think it's like

Speaker 1 you don't have to do it. I'm sorry.
I'd like to. I'd like to.
I'd like to, please. Thank you.
No, I'd like to.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know. I think it depends on the context.

Speaker 1 But screaming is weird because sometimes I guess I subconsciously scream in a healthy way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because sometimes after I scream, like there were several scenes in Wicked where there's lots of screaming.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh my, I love screaming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But afterwards, I felt like warmed up yeah or something so maybe i subconsciously scream healthily yeah but i actually don't know that i intentionally yeah yeah i mean like there are ways to do it but i don't think it's something i choose when in fear totally does this inspire or motivate you to do a horror movie like that

Speaker 1 you know it depends on the context. It depends on the script.
Yes. I'm not like a

Speaker 1 gore for the sake of gore person. Totally.
And I also like, I don't know, I would want to do a great job. I want to do an incredible job.
So it really depends.

Speaker 1 If I could lend myself to the character in a way that I felt would be really purposeful and great. Yeah.
Then sure. But for-dream project.
But I like horror that is

Speaker 1 thoughtful. Yeah, thoughtful, not just

Speaker 1 blood for fun. Totally.
What would you categorize VHS? Blood for fun. Blood for fun.
Title of that. Title of that.
What do you categorize VHS as?

Speaker 1 Oof. I mean.

Speaker 1 No, we don't have to talk about it. It's actually really rough.
Why did I make you watch that? Because you were being a good friend and I was going through a hard time.

Speaker 1 But that's like not the thing to watch when you're going through a hard time.

Speaker 1 It's so anxious to make it cathartic. It was cathartic.
Did you feel better afterwards? You sure weren't thinking about whatever you came there thinking about. I was.
Period.

Speaker 1 And also, we did actually. That's really scary.
We didn't enjoy that.

Speaker 1 We didn't, not that we didn't enjoy the whole thing, but we did not stick with it because at a certain point, Ari goes, I've never seen the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I've never seen it.
Did you turn movies off before they're over? No, just VHS. Yeah.
No, because it's little vignettes.

Speaker 1 Vignettes. And I love the first vignette because this like fierce goblin woman like rips seven dicks off and flies.
Fierce goblin woman. She's just like, it's really cool.

Speaker 1 And the face splits and she's gorgeous and cool and like kills.

Speaker 1 Are you going to see the substance? I am going to see this on. I'm dying to see it.
Yeah, I heard it. It's incredible.
Everyone I'm talking to that's seeing it is like, I can't stop thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I need to see it. I'm really excited to see it.
October 31st on Mubi. But that's not my favorite horror film.
I feel like

Speaker 1 that's gonna like lead people to think i really i don't know do you would you like a favorite would i like to address this problem what's your favorite horror film um i'm not a huge i don't know it too well i'm not very literate but i think i'm gonna say

Speaker 1 oh god

Speaker 1 recently i really did love oh are you gonna say what the one no no not the hills have eyes no girl please no way not that no the one that was it was like the demon came out of her head the one that was on hbo max You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Malignant.

Speaker 1 Malignant, Malignant. Exactly.
Didn't you love Malignant? I didn't see Malignant. Joel loved Malignant.
Joel loved Malignant. What was the other one? It was such a joyfully chaotic scene.
Totally.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. See, I appreciate complete insanity.
Back when I was watching them, like, if it would get completely absurd, like, I loved Saw, the first Saw. Right, because it's so brilliant.

Speaker 1 It's brilliant. The ending.

Speaker 1 The way it comes together and the montage. I was like, oh my God, I didn't know I was watching art.

Speaker 1 I can endure that much gore if it's that smart. If it pays off.
If it's that smart. Yes.
I love it so much. Yeah.
Just to switch gears, I really have to apologize to you in person. For what?

Speaker 1 I opened my mouth up too much when we kissed on SML.

Speaker 1 You absolutely did. I was shaking with laughter.
No, no, no, no, no. Not in a bad way.
Not in a bad way. In just like a disarming way.
Because you know what? Like the rehearsal.

Speaker 1 The mystery was so good. Oh my gosh.
Thank you. I mean, it comes from a real place.
I know it does. But I kissed you too much.
You know what? That's okay. And I know we were really dropped in.

Speaker 1 We were dropped in.

Speaker 1 We were dropped in, and it felt like what these people needed at that time. It felt like what these characters

Speaker 1 required. Yeah.
A little open mouth. I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 I just.

Speaker 1 Should we talk about like how we arrived at it? Because there was not a kiss originally. Right.
No, there wasn't a kiss or something.

Speaker 1 Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 No, you go, you go, you go. No, I mean, I, when we rehearsed it, a little, I don't know, thought yeah, in my head.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I didn't say anything because I was like, oh, everyone's going to think I'm absolutely insane and too comfortable. But I was like, oh, how funny would it be if we kissed at the end?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then Bowen texts me a few hours later.
I was like, it's totally fine. This is way too crazy.

Speaker 1 But we were talking and thought it would be so funny if. we kissed at the end.
And I was like, wow. What if we kissed? Thanks

Speaker 1 for that. Yeah.
I was like, wow, I was thinking that. I'm so sorry.
You were immediately on board. Yes.
So do you rehearse it? Do you do it in dress?

Speaker 1 Because I always feel like with rehearsing a kissing thing, it's, I've only had to do it a few times, but it's like the rehearsal of it is like, are we doing it? Are we doing version of it?

Speaker 1 Like, what is it? Yeah, it's like, shit, are we, are we reading for real this time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we kissing this time? I know.
So what was it? We kissed in the dress rehearsal.

Speaker 1 We kissed in the dress rehearsal, but in the, and I will admit. We We had a very grown-up conversation about it.
We said, are we doing it or not? We did have a grown-up conversation.

Speaker 1 We came out a little bit there as well. We did her dress.
I was talking about her as she comes out sometimes. Yeah, I was joking.
Are we doing it or not? Well, I also have to apologize.

Speaker 1 I think in the grand scheme of things, I was maybe a little overeager because the run-through on Saturday,

Speaker 1 so on Saturdays in the afternoons,

Speaker 1 I go,

Speaker 1 looking good.

Speaker 1 I was like, so

Speaker 1 should we do it? I didn't say, do you want to do it for run-through? I said, I phrased it in like a leading way of like, should we? And you were like,

Speaker 1 shall we kiss?

Speaker 1 No, I feel like.

Speaker 1 Well, because there was, we talked about maybe waiting till the real thing just to like, just to like wait and see how it was. I was like, let it be on the live, you know,

Speaker 1 but then we were like, no, let's, let's be adults. Let's rehearse it.
Just so we know how it feels and not have that surprise on live television. And so, your take on it, and just talk to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 So, his mouth was a little too open. No, no, no, that came from him, not from me.
But you acknowledged that you said you absolutely did open it. It was absolutely too open.

Speaker 1 No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 It was a little too open, but

Speaker 1 chemistry. But for the characters, it was perfectly open.
I would agree. I was watching it and I'm thinking about it.
I did start shaking, giggling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. I broke.
I was like,

Speaker 1 you're like, what is this gay guy doing? Yeah, you're with him. He seemed incredibly purposeful and motivated, and it felt incredible.

Speaker 1 As long as that's how it felt for the audience, yes, it's all good here. Have you ever told Ariane? And no beef here.

Speaker 1 It's official. I'm happy we put it to bed.
Thank you. Me too.

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Speaker 1 Wait, can we quickly brief about how SNL was for you? Because that was a top-tier A-plus all-time perfect episode. Thank you.
That's really good. It really was.
Thank you. I had the time of my life.

Speaker 1 I would have done it right after we finished at 1 a.m. Again.
Like, I really love being there. I love every single person there.
Like, I just had the loveliest best time with everyone.

Speaker 1 And I love laughing. I love comedy.
I love bits. You're so good at it.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 And also, you can tell it leads from a joy that you have to do it and like a motivation to like work hard and get it right. And I also can't believe you've only hosted twice.

Speaker 1 You give the energy of someone that's been there again and again. It throws back to like how good JT was of the show back in the day of like, you know, coming in.

Speaker 1 Like, what do you think it is that prepares you to do something like Saturday Night Live so well? Oh my gosh. I don't know.
I mean, that's really nice.

Speaker 1 I think I find like a comfortability and getting to know everyone. I love getting to know people when I come to a place.
I want to like befriend everyone and be

Speaker 1 open.

Speaker 1 And when you're meeting all the writers and collaborating with everyone, everyone is super

Speaker 1 just kind of open and talk about where you can go, like when trying things and whatever. It just is a really safe and fun experience.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's like constant, but it's the best and it's so much fun. And I think I just love comedy.
So maybe that is like why I was so excited to go and I felt very excited. I think when it comes to

Speaker 1 doing

Speaker 1 big, exciting things, sometimes,

Speaker 1 you know, it can become like a scary, daunting thing. But if you hold on to excitement and gratitude and let that like fuel the whole experience, it can really change the tone of everything.

Speaker 1 It's something I like learned

Speaker 1 in my late 20s.

Speaker 1 But no, I don't know. It's just, it felt really fresh.

Speaker 1 It brought joy. Oh, yeah.
It brought comfort. Yeah.
Texting with Bowen constantly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, having a literal best friend there. And in the weeks leading up, I felt like I was bothering you because I was,

Speaker 1 it's my turn to apologize now.

Speaker 1 No, I felt like I was apologizing. I felt like I was blowing you up because I

Speaker 1 couldn't stop like

Speaker 1 texting insane like ideas for bits and like silly, silly things. And I was just so excited to get there.
Yeah. So maybe that's why.
I think when you're excited about work, people, yeah, and your work,

Speaker 1 it shows. It's a team.
It's almost like it's like, it's like, and with Wicked too, and I was just going to like

Speaker 1 posit that maybe like when you get the audition for Galinda, right? That has to be a thing where you're like, holy fuck. Like, it's something I've thought about for a very long time.
Yeah. Like, it's.

Speaker 1 One of those roles that's going to be someone's going to get it and it's going to feel like, yes, incredible, that person, but like a little part of you is like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 And so, when you get that audition, I wonder, is it all just like joy?

Speaker 1 And like, how do you approach the comedy of something that's so iconically done and like you respect, but you bring yourself to it? Because you do do that. Yes.
Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 I think it's kind of like it was one of the most important parts to me was finding that balance between like honoring the iconic Glinda that we have had on our, on the soundtrack for 21 years and the role that was like written really by Winnie Holtzman and Kristen Chenoweth, like, you know, honoring what made it so iconic, which is like the original material and, you know, people

Speaker 1 while also kind of like bringing myself to it. And

Speaker 1 it's interesting because.

Speaker 1 Knowing something and being a fan of something for such a long time is very different than having to become it and sort of take it on. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, a lot of just like trying and playing and reading the script a hundred times fully through, even before the audition, like not the movie one, the Broadway one, so that sort of,

Speaker 1 you know, choices of my own could come through and finding new truths to little beats and moments that play differently on stage, because this isn't the stage show.

Speaker 1 And finding that balance was, of course, the most important thing because

Speaker 1 I know as a fan of it, how important it is to walk that line.

Speaker 1 And that's really all you can do is the homework and also trial and play. I have my amazing acting coach, Nancy Banks.
You know, we did a lot of

Speaker 1 playing and grounding my vocal placement and even finding, like, okay, like.

Speaker 1 what inflection, how far do we want to go with it? And older vocal versus younger Glinda vocals. And what's the tonal shift when she's young versus when she's old? And,

Speaker 1 you know, incredible work in that regard, too.

Speaker 1 Like, I have to say, my one of my favorite things about the movie, just holistically, and I think it's so funny that you guys didn't chemistry test because the chemistry is between you two is just nuts.

Speaker 1 And one of my favorite things about a vocal choice in that movie is that Cynthia is like singing her whole part very clean until you get that note and it has so much gut in it. Well, it is a war cry.

Speaker 1 Yes. And that

Speaker 1 like ends it.

Speaker 1 And you know that everything has changed in the way that note is sung and that intentionality is just brilliant yeah it's so beautiful yeah i was in the room i got to be there when she actually like was doing it like you mean the studio yeah to hear her sing defying gravity i mean i was there when she did the rehearsal tracks

Speaker 1 um but you know i was also on set when she was flying above me singing

Speaker 1 define gravity you know you had to witness you had to be there to witness it and also just like this is not a spoiler but it does cut to Galinda pretty frequently during that moment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think the way, because you have an impossible thing to do in that moment, which is just to like internally

Speaker 1 project that outward as everything in your world and your circumstances changing.

Speaker 1 Like even hearing you just talk about the prep and the consideration that went into this, like you have the most expansive knowledge of this character and like thank God it's you because you're like rising to every occasion with it like you rose to the audition obviously in such a storied way like i love the lore behind it now that people know about and um thank you i just know yeah it's amazing you know that the movie is like about you forget sometimes like especially seeing it now and the way that you guys have like made it brand new like you really remember what it's about and it's about like speaking truth to power and how hard that is yeah and what your character is going through what glenda is going through at the end of at least this movie is she's not able to be strong enough yet to really

Speaker 1 be a face of like dissent and rebellion. Like she's seeing a truth and she's, it's like the journey that you have to go through there of like, I know what's right, but I'm just not there.

Speaker 1 It's also just like a different,

Speaker 1 I mean, yes, but also there's a different version of that, which is that she is strong enough to know that she will never choose that because she can't.

Speaker 1 She doesn't have the tools and she knows what is so interesting

Speaker 1 to her. Yes.
And it's like, it's not that she's not ready to do that. It's just that she's not a person who's going to do that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 having the strength to

Speaker 1 know that the past, oh my God, annoying. I'm so sorry.
No, I'm so curious about what you're experiencing.

Speaker 1 No, it's just like emotional because it's like, of course, it's acting and I'm not going to, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 We hit our marks and we do our thing and we sing our songs and we do what we're supposed to do. But it really felt so real.
And it feels

Speaker 1 how it feels in real life when you really love someone, but the paths that you need to take for your own

Speaker 1 truth and life and who you are, it's like you can't actually.

Speaker 1 You can't actually continue growing together.

Speaker 1 You're growing apart and you can still love that person so much and acknowledge that that's going to be best for them, but it's not going to be best for me.

Speaker 1 So I do have to not self-abandon in this moment and I have to stay where I am.

Speaker 1 And I want you to go there, but I can't join you. So I think it's certainty.
I think she's really sure in that moment. And I think that that's strength.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 God. I don't think that it's that she's not strong enough to go.
I think that she's strong enough to not go. Right.
Because there were.

Speaker 1 This is not to switch gears, but like there were so many moments. There was one moment.
I think it was during the I have been through. I've been Through.

Speaker 1 It was during the I Have Been Through scene where like we were just like ad libbing and I like, I was, I forgot what I pitched you, but I was like, okay, maybe like we do our dance from school.

Speaker 1 And like, I don't know, like I pitched you a line and then you, you looked me in the eyes and this was done with such love and care and respect. Wait, wait, wait, what? What was it?

Speaker 1 I pitched you like a stupid fucking line of like.

Speaker 1 like we do like an accent or something and then you just look at you look me dead in the eyes and you go i'm not gonna do that

Speaker 1 did i really it was so funny.

Speaker 1 We were dying laughing because I was like, oh, of course. I was like, I was like, this is me playing too much with my friend.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 she's playing Galinda in the Wicked movie. I can't tell her.
I can't tell her to do bits. Well, you can.

Speaker 1 Yes, you can. No, but it literally.

Speaker 1 We always tell her.

Speaker 1 We always did that. But at that point, it was like, you know, four months in to the best of the music.
Do you remember the strawberry bush? The strawberry bush. The strawberry bush.
It broke me.

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Speaker 1 And food grew scarce. Right,

Speaker 1 food grew scarce, and people were angry. And then, what's the line? Like, what did you do? And people were looking for...

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Yeah, someone to, and then something to, whatever. But there's one about food.
There's one about, so yes, so, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So he was like, the great famine occurred. And

Speaker 1 people, and people wanted to, people were very angry. People were looking for something to people were were looking at

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Speaker 1 And then Alphabet says someone to blame. But then

Speaker 1 on our coverage, on our coverage, it was a screenshot of me, Bronwyn, and you. We did an Atlant, but it was like,

Speaker 1 because he mentions the famine. And then what do angry people do?

Speaker 1 What do angry people try to find? I'm butchering this. It's terrible.
And then I go, wait, you can't remember. I'm doing anger.
No. Literally, this is.

Speaker 1 He said, like, a strawberry bush or something.

Speaker 1 And I smacked him laughing. I literally

Speaker 1 took my paper,

Speaker 1 smacked him with it.

Speaker 1 It was so good.

Speaker 1 I wish it were somewhere. I had to find it.
John.

Speaker 1 The strawberry bush was incredible. And also so was when Nessa flies up in the

Speaker 1 sky.

Speaker 1 That's my scream. I know that's your scream.
And that's your scream. And everything

Speaker 1 is flying around and things are falling and the thing falls on the ground. And what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Literally, I'm like, oh, how?

Speaker 1 I know how you scream.

Speaker 1 It was the best. Powerful time.

Speaker 1 It was the best thing ever.

Speaker 1 Before we ask you the question that is the central question of this podcast, I also want to say one other thing, which is that this scene of the year for me is dancing through life when she comes into the Ozdas ballroom.

Speaker 1 And that moment, wow. Can you talk about shooting that? Yeah.
Like, what, what was that experience?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I love, first of all, I love the little shot of her peeking around the corner, like, with her little hat, and she's so excited, and whatever. But it's just, it's hard to describe because

Speaker 1 how it feels to watch.

Speaker 1 Picture that, a solid 12 hours of that.

Speaker 1 Four days or something. Yes.
Like three, three days. That particular section,

Speaker 1 the main bulk of it was like one and a half days, but it was like one and a half days of utter pin drop silence.

Speaker 1 And every single person person in the room was absolutely just right there with Cynthia and kind of

Speaker 1 holding a very warm space, you know,

Speaker 1 for how much she was giving the whole time. And it's such an isolating and painful scene,

Speaker 1 you know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 even if you're acting, you know, it's just like, it's such a heartbreaking feeling. And

Speaker 1 I had such

Speaker 1 flutters and and butterflies that whole, that whole day. And it's just like holding space for her and then having this guilt and this realization that I'm responsible for this.

Speaker 1 And just sort of like looking at a friend and trying to course correct it, just so much. It was a really intense day.

Speaker 1 And I feel the same feelings when I watch it back that I did in the room on the day.

Speaker 1 So emotional to watch. Yeah, it was, it was a really

Speaker 1 intense day. And she's so beautiful in it and I just remember at the end of like the 12th hour me and Mark and John all just like took her aside and we were like go home

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was just a very very very powerful emotional day and she did such beautiful work and everyone just held the safest of spaces for her and um yeah I like feel it when I watch it back certain scenes like when they start

Speaker 1 happening my body has like a physical physical reaction like when she peeks around that corner I like get anxious for what I know is gonna happen because I know how it felt on the day yeah and I think that's a sign of what beautiful work was done because I feel like when you watch it back you feel how it felt in the room and it's a wonderful reminder that you were so dropped in and present in that in that span of time, which was a very long time.

Speaker 1 And I say, I say four days because it was like with all Yazda stuff. Oh, yes, yes, with the dancing and stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about this part.

Speaker 1 I'm definitely talking about

Speaker 1 the loneliness

Speaker 1 that Cynthia is going through of I'm going to, you know,

Speaker 1 have this dancing moment.

Speaker 1 And everyone's watching her and being like, what's happening? And it's your realization that, like, this is a human being who I've hurt. Right.
And now I'm going to show up for her.

Speaker 1 And the really wordless.

Speaker 1 connection that you guys foster in that moment is so beautiful and everyone's going to love the movie so much obviously so so so so so unfathomably spectacular in this so great the choreography i actually even though we rehearsed it like once or twice before that day

Speaker 1 um said i never learned it like i didn't want to remember it because i just literally wanted to be like following her hands and like letting her lead the way because i felt like the more awkward

Speaker 1 it looks on Glinda, like the more beautiful it can be. You know, we're both just like little

Speaker 1 like wild deer greeting each other and trying to figure out how to speak the same language. And

Speaker 1 it's so beautifully awkward.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I love it very much. It's very

Speaker 1 much. And yeah, it's a ride, this movie.
Going from that into popular is such a ride. And then back again and then back again.
And, you know, it's just like, it's, it's a wild ride. Yeah.
Popular is

Speaker 1 everything. Everything I want it to be.
God, you're so fucking good. Thank you.
Thank you. Wait, can I just share one more of my favorite memories from the Ozdas ballroom? Yes.

Speaker 1 Other than the fun stuff that we did, the dancing and everything in the Ozdas, we had so much fun in the Ozda Ballroom. It really was like a week.
It really was a week. It was a weekend.
I was, yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they gave us these like universal iPhones for behind-the-scenes stuff. It was actually only one.
And I think you and Bronwyn had it. Bronwyn and I had it for a day.
Yeah. For that whole week.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I just remember the vibe that day and Bronwyn and you both being like,

Speaker 1 not, no.

Speaker 1 Because it was the fixed time. Because we were like, you know, like, this is intense shit.
And everyone's like, it's like, okay, we're at the Oscars. At the ballroom.
The dance is happening.

Speaker 1 Like, no, we're not.

Speaker 1 It's not the day actually for that. What's up, guys? This is Bowen Yen.
And I'm so excited because today is the day. Hi, D14.
We're here.

Speaker 1 We're about to group bully Cynthia Arrivo for three days straight. I was like, Are you kidding me? They were like, Are you guys getting fun stuff? And it was like, No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Not today, in fact. Not today.
It was like universal social media people lovely doing their job, like giving being so accommodating. I just remember you and Bronwyn being like, not right now.

Speaker 1 Because it also is a little bit your characters, like, because your character doesn't get it. And by the way, you're so, you're, you play a really good natural bully.
You really didn't get it.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? Your coverage in the Oses, I remember I got to sit behind the monitor and watch you and Bronwyn

Speaker 1 experience that

Speaker 1 scene.

Speaker 1 And it was just so beautiful. You two are so

Speaker 1 brilliantly hilarious, but also just everything was so palpable. The shift,

Speaker 1 it was so funny and so beautiful. And I loved it.

Speaker 1 I have an iPhone video, that whole take, if you'd like it. Oh my God.
Well, because you had the iPhone. Okay.
I sure did. That wasn't the universal one.
This is my personal one.

Speaker 1 I filmed everything that happened in the whole two years.

Speaker 1 Well, that was against the rules. I understand.
But I'm a very honest thief.

Speaker 1 He sent me some videos from the set. Yeah.
Don't tell me. Can I say? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it's over now. What are they going to do? Edit you out? Oh, I hope not.
I perish the thought.

Speaker 1 But not to place myself in that moment, in that scene, that very intense scene, but like I kind of feel a degree of that same thing where I watched it back and I was like, God, I feel like absolute shit.

Speaker 1 Cause even in doing it, because acting is acting, whatever, but even in like.

Speaker 1 Bullying Cynthia throughout this movie, like there were so many times where I went up to her and I was like, I'm so sorry. This feels so rotted in my soul to treat you this way.
Right.

Speaker 1 I think it's just a testament to like the way she's being so completely raw and beautiful and vulnerable in every frame of this.

Speaker 1 And God, you're both, you couldn't ask for two better people to do this. That's beautiful and good.
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Speaker 1 Ariana Grande. Okay, sorry.
What is the why are you apologizing? Because I

Speaker 1 died. I'm taking us miles back.
I know. I still have so much more to say about everything.
We'll talk about it. We got to talk about

Speaker 1 what's the one question. The one question we have to ask you is: what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 1 If you can look back in your life and you think Ari Grande became Ari Grande as a result of this influence, this thing in pop culture, this moment, whatever it is, can you speak on that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think

Speaker 1 musical theater. Yeah.
Like, I think Sherry Renee Scott.

Speaker 1 That is my answer.

Speaker 1 I love that answer.

Speaker 1 Did you see Aida? I did. I mean, I loved the soundtrack.
I was really little. I don't think I actually saw it.
I saw it with Tony Braxton. But I saw, oh my God, word.
Can you believe?

Speaker 1 No, but I saw her in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

Speaker 1 And I remember being like, that's

Speaker 1 life-changing to see. She's the best in the world.
Yeah. You look at someone doing musical theater at a level like that and you're like, oh, well, I'm watching the most talented person on earth.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, her and... Kristen and Sutton Foster and just these like ladies who I

Speaker 1 grew up just listening on repeat and just like my musical theater goddesses, you know? Yeah. I don't know.
Does it feel like, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And I guess my question for you is like, you know, I'm watching Wicked and I had that feeling of like, well, she needs to act more.

Speaker 1 But then also at the same time, it's like, you are

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 the most like.

Speaker 1 just important, gifted, like relevant pop artist. No.
But let me say it because I believe it. And then you're like, does Broadway fit into that? Like, is it something that would make sense for you?

Speaker 1 And is it in your heart to actually go to the stage and do that? It's, it is my heart. You know, it is like, I'm going to say something so scary.

Speaker 1 It's going to scare the absolute shit out of my fans and everyone. But I love them and they'll deal and we'll be here forever.
I'm always going to make music. I'm always going to go on stage.

Speaker 1 I'm always going to do. pop stuff.
I pinky promise. But I don't think doing it at the rate that I've been doing it for the past past 10 years is where I see the next 10 years.

Speaker 1 I think I love acting. I love musical theater.
I think reconnecting with this part of myself who started in musical theater and who loves comedy and it heals me to do that,

Speaker 1 finding roles to use these parts of myself, you know, and put them in little homes and characters and bits and pushes and songs.

Speaker 1 Like it really does in a different way than songwriting and writing about my own pain because it's just kind of like constantly reliving that one thing that you wrote the song about, or that is, you know, and

Speaker 1 finding a character and putting the pieces there, finding little homes for them there, and then them coming back and feeding you and teaching you new things through performing the act of being Glinda,

Speaker 1 whatever, you know, and taking pieces from her back. It really feeds you.

Speaker 1 And I think that I would love to in whatever makes sense or whatever roles that we see fit or where I could really do a good job or honor the material, I would really love to because

Speaker 1 I think it's

Speaker 1 a lot better for me. Yeah.
I hear you, especially when you're not.

Speaker 1 No, but I want you to know, like, when, and I've been listening to, well, I listen to you all the time, but like so many of my favorite songs of yours, I can tell are unbearable for you to put out there.

Speaker 1 Like, I listen to, I won't even say the song titles. No, get my guy, you don't know.
I mean, imagine. I mean, like, I would have hated you.
Like, I had such an experience.

Speaker 1 And I have my own theories about like what we can't be friends is.

Speaker 1 But I think the video is something that spoke to, I know me personally and so many people in such a visceral way. And there's that moment in the video, which by the way,

Speaker 1 is the video,

Speaker 1 and everyone knows it.

Speaker 1 So there's that moment where you hesitate in the process of having your memories removed. And you're, it's like, I don't want to let go.
I'm actually uneasy.

Speaker 1 like maybe my pain is really important and if I lose that like where am I going next like it's scary and I think that that's such a specific thing to get across but like has to be painful to literally fixate on the idea of eternal sunshine because the idea is that we want to we feel this way we want to create something called eternal sunshine because we're fixating on wanting to remove those emotions right and yet here we are literally performing them and i think that you're so sensitive and such a you know what you could say, cancer vibes, whatever, but like you're so in tune to your work and you're so giving of yourself that it has to feel fucking exhausting.

Speaker 1 And so if you have other talents and other like interests, like I get that, I love you back. That was such a thoughtful parade of like

Speaker 1 thoughtfulness. I love you.
Thanks. I don't, yeah.
Yeah, I hear you. He's good at that.
He's got the thoughtful parade of thoughtfulness. Well, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's a good job at talking, Ariana. No, that's not

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 But no, I guess what I'm saying is like, it's not,

Speaker 1 but the thing is, I'm not even asking you a question. I guess I'm just acknowledging and seeing.

Speaker 1 And I want you to know that as your fan, like, we just want you to feed yourself and like do what makes you feel good and evolve. I love that.
And you are evolving. Like, like in this movie, like.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, like, now am I going to cry? Like, I just feel like it's so amazing to see someone do something they were born to do. Like, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 I've always felt like, especially because you've been such a good sister to my sister, I just like

Speaker 1 want you to be happy and I root for you. Oh my god, oh my god,

Speaker 1 I'm sorry,

Speaker 1 man. Oh my god, okay.
I feel like I feel,

Speaker 1 you know, you're just, but this is like what you do. You're such an available, open, and emotional person.
And I deeply we're so far away, that was weird. But

Speaker 1 thank you for taking the risk of the children.

Speaker 1 By the way, I've been able to do that. But you yanked her down.

Speaker 1 I think my chair is like cemented to the ground. No, no.

Speaker 1 I got you. That just reminded me of when I did Celebrity Wheel of Fortune with Paula Abdul.

Speaker 1 She's so small that

Speaker 1 she would do the wheel and the wheel would take.

Speaker 1 So it was like, she's in the middle and like, I'm here. Like, this is Paula.
She goes, all right, here we go.

Speaker 1 And like, threw away and like her leg went up.

Speaker 1 She's a good sporting man.

Speaker 1 Can I just thank you for saying that just because it was so incredibly kind and I really appreciate it and I am going to carry it with me. Art also is what feeds me.

Speaker 1 So in whatever capacity it is, I'll always be doing and creating six different things at once. You know what I mean? It's just, I don't see that going anywhere.

Speaker 1 I just see it kind of like shifting and becoming a little different. The write chapters.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like there's, I'm thankful to you for positions because that was my fucking fuck album for the pandemic. And I'll look you in the eyes and say, oh my God.
I'm telling you, there's not a better piece.

Speaker 1 Like thank you for R ⁇ D pop.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 She can't handle that.

Speaker 1 We can be locked in. I opened my mouth.
No, I know.

Speaker 1 But like, you know.

Speaker 1 It was beautiful. The characters needed it.
But yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 That's such a funny thing. The life cycle that album has taken because when it came out,

Speaker 1 it was kind of like

Speaker 1 bizarre. It didn't go so well.
Does it feel like it came out in a soft way, whereas the Thank You Next to Speeder had been such moments? Or do you care about it? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Not even like that. I just mean as far as like what my fans were saying.
And like, as far as I remember,

Speaker 1 I feel like in the beginning of the positions of it all, like, it kind of was,

Speaker 1 I got a little, I, I'm not going to like use this word and I'm bullied, but you know, you know,

Speaker 1 I just got like a little bit of

Speaker 1 this is not what we want vibes, I think. And now, and I remember that really, I'm such a sensitive artist, but whatever this is the point.

Speaker 1 You put art there so that people can tear it apart and do whatever they want with it or celebrate it or whatever. I understand.
I'm very grateful and in acceptance to be here.

Speaker 1 When I preface this, I need to preface it with that because I know it comes with being an artist. But I also am a cancer and very sensitive.

Speaker 1 So I just remember that really like put me in a cage of like judging every single piece. I like scrapped so many things that I was like going to put out for it.

Speaker 1 And now people are just, they they love it like it's the best thing I'll ever make. And I'm like, what is that? I'm like, how is that

Speaker 1 time sometimes, especially when they, they really get worked up in their heads that we're gonna get a certain thing and then it's a little different.

Speaker 1 But I love him for it. And it's okay and it's fine.
And it's not mine anymore. And that's the thing that I also have to say because I am aware.
It's like a part of it.

Speaker 1 And I'm grateful for the voices and for the passion. I am.
I really am. You release it.
But I'm also a person.

Speaker 1 Of course. And so this is what makes you a true realized artist is that

Speaker 1 you are incredibly emotionally intelligent. You're, I think, EQ,

Speaker 1 you're the highest EQ. Einstein EQ, period.

Speaker 1 I think that like every artist, not every artist, but like...

Speaker 1 It kind of is this fun little jewel now on everyone on every artist's like crown where it's like, oh, you, you, you put out a body of work that ends up being at the time mischaracterized or misinterpreted.

Speaker 1 And then over time, it develops the patina, and people are like, oh my God, this is, this was always great. It's strange to watch happen.
It's kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 But I feel like with what you're saying about being an artist, like, I mean, we've had conversations about this, especially when Eternal Sunshine came out. We're like, God, this is really,

Speaker 1 everything is so considered. And I was even watching you do your, make a video for the boy's mind.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 and I want it, this is the stupidest question, but I have to ask you. Okay.
It's going to not. No.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 you're so good at makeup.

Speaker 1 Do you have an interest or have you explored drawing? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like you're so dexterous with your, like, like you, you're able to, no, no, look at me. Bowen, I'm not dexterous.

Speaker 1 What if we have ions and we're just like, could you? Will you consider

Speaker 1 drawing us a picture? Painting me today. He brings out an easel and some oil paint.

Speaker 1 So I actually, I paint, I paint with my dad sometimes.

Speaker 1 We do like little, like, paint and sips sometimes.

Speaker 1 Really cute things.

Speaker 1 Watercolors. And I painted for Cynthia, actually, I painted a cute little thing of munchkin land.
And it's like the tulips with the yellow brick road up the middle.

Speaker 1 And then there's a little bubble in the sky. And there's a green, like...

Speaker 1 cloudy behind it and a little tiny little elfie and the monkeys behind.

Speaker 1 So I painted that for her, but I don't have that much much time to color a paint, so I don't, but I love to, and I'm very creative.

Speaker 1 My dad is like an artist in every way, graphic designer, photographer, painter. Yes.
And he's super creative in that way. And I thought, that's so nice.

Speaker 1 No one's ever talked to me about painting, but coloring. Right? But I'm saying, like, it makes sense to me.
Like, you're so

Speaker 1 precise with the hand.

Speaker 1 Coloring is amazing. I love a coloring book.

Speaker 1 I love a coloring book, especially like when it's a funny concept.

Speaker 1 I just bought the one of Oz for Cynthia. Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 And the thing is, my mom. That was the way I said that.
And the thing is, is that when you get like a wicked coloring book, like you kind of think like, oh, I know what everything should be.

Speaker 1 And so then you just do it your own way. Suddenly, Alphaba is not green.
She's purple. Think about that for once.

Speaker 1 But my mom recently was like,

Speaker 1 oh.

Speaker 1 Is that a coloring book?

Speaker 1 She came over and I was like,

Speaker 1 I haven't seen one in a while.

Speaker 1 And she self-proclaims. Yeah, I haven't seen one of those.
I haven't seen one of those in a while. But no, she

Speaker 1 says she's not like creative and that she doesn't like things like that, but she loves it. And I was like, mommy, you don't need to be, you know, creative.
She's a business brilliant person, but

Speaker 1 I gave her the colored pencils and the coloring book. And she loved it, but also picture the character from SNL.
And she was coloring so hard. She was like, I love this.
I was like, mommy.

Speaker 1 That was based in reality. Oh, yes.
Wait, should we should be talking about that? Talk about the origin story of that.

Speaker 1 And this is why, like, you should not apologize for like, you did not text me a bunch before in the lead up. Like, this is, thank God you did because, like, literally, like, we're helping right now.

Speaker 1 This happened. Two months before the show, before you came on, like,

Speaker 1 I was, it was, it was Labor Day weekend, and Hale and my brother-in-law, Hale's family, was visiting. And we had a lovely, fun game day.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 1 so fun and funny and sweet. And my mom is, by the way, the most generous, kindest, giving person in the entire world.
Yes. She is like the hostess with the mostest.

Speaker 1 You will walk in, and there are like a million fruit trays and vegan options for the vegan people. The vegan people being me and Hale only.

Speaker 1 And but even that deserves, you know, she wants to take everyone everywhere and she, she's just the best. She's the kindest, most generous person in the entire world.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 competitive. competitive.
Yeah, and fiercely protective of her children. I see.
So even if we're playing, you know, charades

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 whatever, you don't fuck around. So this is what happened.
And I excused myself immediately to send a voice note to Bo. And I said, okay, well,

Speaker 1 there's something brewing here. There's something.

Speaker 1 Yes, we're playing. We're playing charades.
And

Speaker 1 Hill's brother, my brother-in-law's brother, who I love, they're all so sweet, they're amazing, was like, was like, ha ha, like, we're winning vibes. Like, that was the extent of it.

Speaker 1 It was like, he was like, woo-hoo, wear head. Throwing it back.
Wearhead. And my mom goes, tiny dick syndrome, huh? And I was like, this.

Speaker 1 Mommy. Tiny dick syndrome, huh? Mommy, wait, like that's not funny.
I was like, mom, that's intense and harmful.

Speaker 1 That's like so intense.

Speaker 1 And we all were laughing. And of course, like, he laughed and everyone was laughing.
laughing but she was like well that's a sign of what that is and i was like mommy

Speaker 1 this is insane and then i started doing it as a bit for jesse hale's other brother and he was like crying tears

Speaker 1 tears and like it lasted the whole day so i was like bowen we have to do something with this please it's just so silly and i my jaw dropped i was like yeah

Speaker 1 and yeah and also we have like a very aggressive game playing family too i'm like the opposite so where my mom and frankie and hale sit sit on the spectrum of I'm an alien in my family a little bit because I'm like,

Speaker 1 I don't care. I just want to have fun and I want to be there and I'm here for a good time.
Gotcha. You know, I'm okay.
I just want to play the game. I'm happy to be there.

Speaker 1 I don't even know half the rules of just winning is not your culture. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Being here is a great time. And I miss everyone when I'm not home.
And, you know, this is a great time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not for Hale or Frankie or my mom. It is real.
It's a real deal. Right.
Hale's a real gamer, though. He knows games that no one's ever heard of in the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 He's like a genius nerd person who loves games. And Frankie can't

Speaker 1 lose a game. Mommy can't lose a game.
Because you know what? First of all, they can't lose a game. Ari's vibe on Jackbox.
They don't like it. A plus plus.
Oh, I plus. I love Jackbox.

Speaker 1 We need to shrink.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what we need to do. We need to do that.
Okay. That's what we need to do.
Jackbox, we need to get J and A.

Speaker 1 J and A, Josh, and Air to do Jackboxbox. See, this is this.
I see it in my mind. I love them.
I love your whole

Speaker 1 group.

Speaker 1 They're the best. They are really, truly are the funniest.
Have you seen fucking identical twins? I watched it.

Speaker 1 We watched it all together. We watched dicks together.
I mean, I'm obsessed with them. They're angels from heaven.
Yeah, that's like a truly fun game, too, because really, who cares if you win?

Speaker 1 Like, it's fun if you win, but it's really more just about making each other. Giggles.
Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 Frankie was about

Speaker 1 Frankie was about the points, though. It's always about the points.
He is about the points, too. It was so funny.
You know what that might be, though?

Speaker 1 Because I also am like, I'm the oldest and I'm a gay son. So there's that little bit thing of like, best little boy in the world.
I'm going to win the game. Because like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 That might be a thing. Because you're not really competitive need to win.
No, never. You're really not.
Can we, wait, sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 But speaking of Frankie, can we go see Rocky Horror while it's still happening, please? How longer is it happening? How long is it happening? I don't know. Well, we'll go tonight.
That's it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to watch tonight's cabaret. Oh, my God.
I'm seeing

Speaker 1 Marney and Tabaret. Really?

Speaker 1 I'm so jealous. I know.
I saw it in the West End with Jake Shears. Oh, great.
And it was great. And I'm seeing it again.
I haven't seen it yet in New York. I love Cabaret.
It's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Are you coming to the screening tonight? I wasn't told the details.
And so I wasn't playing. I would love to.
I'll tell you the details. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's actually going to be really fun because it's going to be all the Broadway people. But I wish I could be seeing it.
Be coming with you. We wish we could boot both at the same time.

Speaker 1 I want to see Marty and Cabaret. They're my favorite MC.

Speaker 1 Really? And love that. I cannot wait.
What a beautiful person Inside and out. Oh, absolutely.
Goodbye. Absolutely.
Isn't it great when, like, so because you're like a drag race fan? Yes.

Speaker 1 You watch every season? I watch almost every, I mean, I try to. Yeah, I'm a big drag race fan.
Have you been judged twice or once? Twice. Season seven, season seven.

Speaker 1 Because I remember season seven, iconically, that was a really amazing episode the first time you were there, and they did break free at the end. I wish I remembered more of that experience.

Speaker 1 It's okay. You were great,

Speaker 1 and they did break free, and it was Candy Ho versus

Speaker 1 Mama Who Won. Mama Who Won.
Oh, not who won the show, but won the lip sync. I'm forgetting her name.

Speaker 1 Jaden Jewelry Fierce. Yes.
Jaden Jorfierce. Yeah, that was crazily the morning after we shot the bang bang video.

Speaker 1 And I had no sleep and I came straight there and it was like a full 12-hour drive.

Speaker 1 It's a surreal thing to be. When we were there, we also had a really good episode.
We had a great episode, but those were long days. Your episode? Oh my God, yeah.
No, it was beautiful.

Speaker 1 That was small. And we got hallucinated by Dua was the lip sync.
And we are screaming the whole time.

Speaker 1 Well, they cut to us, and we are

Speaker 1 living the fantasy because it was Jasmine Kennedy. Of course,

Speaker 1 really ripping it up. It was, that was a great, great, great episode.
Um, we'll, we'll figure it out. We'll go see.
Okay, so Marty, wait, hold on.

Speaker 1 We need to talk about something before we move on down things so, honey. And then, I can't even believe we're going to move on.
Why does why could this go in for six more hours? I know. Where's the

Speaker 1 little more? What's the mess? Hold on. No one has to be anywhere.

Speaker 1 No one has to be anywhere. You sure? No, I have to.
Are you sure? Because Because this isn't like a press day for you, or is it? This is a press day for me, but this is the most important part.

Speaker 1 What else are you doing? I do have to leave at three. That's perfect.
Okay, no problem.

Speaker 1 Did you hear that?

Speaker 1 It's 2:20. If I can leave by 3, we're good.
I'll be completely early and on time. You know what else you need to go see? And you need to go see? Is Sunset Boulevard with New York? I know.
I know.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's everything I could want for a person. I love this moment for her so much.
She is so in her element, so dropped in, so beautiful, so fucking talented. Yes.
And I love that.

Speaker 1 The pictures of her in blood at the stage door, it's like that's me. That's a mood.

Speaker 1 That's a mood. But Nicole, I love watching someone.

Speaker 1 It's like seeing you in the wicked movie. It's like when you watch someone

Speaker 1 that's where they're supposed to be. How beautiful that it's happening.

Speaker 1 And I'm telling you right now, I was at the opening night of Sunset Boulevard. I sat next to Candy Burris.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 The legend. Like, literally star-studded.
So many people there, like sitting there watching her. And I thought, wow, she is stepping into destiny right now.

Speaker 1 She is giving one of those performances everyone will always talk about. And it is,

Speaker 1 it is amazing. Yeah, it is.
It's beautiful to see, even like from afar, as a person who hasn't even seen it yet. I'm like, oh, I know exactly what's coming.
Yep. We need to talk about Figment.

Speaker 1 Oh, let's talk about it. We do need to talk about Figment.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this is also another moment where I was like, oh, we're supposed to be in each other's lives. We're supposed to be in each other's lives.

Speaker 1 And then I also thought, and did I not tell you, I was like, you need to meet my friend Matt Rogers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was actually the moment. That was the moment.

Speaker 1 We need to go to Disney together. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Which one? Which one? Well, I already know.
I mean, I'm an Orlando girly. Okay.
I mean, I'm connected. Me too.

Speaker 1 Me too. We share that.
Yes. We share that.
I mean, okay. And also, it's where the Tower of Terror rooms.
100%. And can you speak on this?

Speaker 1 Because this is really important because, you know, this came up with Mariah. We mentioned you on the Mariah episode.
Speak on Tower of Terror. Speak on Disney.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I want to speak on the Tower of Terror. Yes.
Start there. Because I love, I love, and I respect

Speaker 1 Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of course I do. I think it's a beautiful experience.
A beautiful thing. Love that little raccoon.
It's impressive. It's amazing.
I'm like a big baby group person. Yeah, I love her.
Really cool.

Speaker 1 I don't remember, you know, much about her, but I love her. Yes.
And

Speaker 1 I just think that it is.

Speaker 1 That was a zipper. That was not a fart.
I'm sorry. There was a noise over there.
There was a noise down here, which could have gone either way. No, but I have to tell you.
Sorry. It had to be called.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
No, please. This space is yours.
I'm in your home. No, and you're literally about to meditate on Tower of Terror and me.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I'm glad that happened because something needed to break the tension of what I was feeling inside. You're talking about the Tower of Terror.
You're angsty about this because you feel

Speaker 1 it's an endangered species. It's not angst.
It's

Speaker 1 dire desperation. Yeah, it's like real desperation

Speaker 1 to protect and preserve what is the Tower of Terror. Yeah, I believe it should be a historical landmark.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And I think it's really important and great that there is the Guardians of the Galaxy ride in California. I think that's perfect.
And, you know, Aurora's Castle, keep it. All of that's great.

Speaker 1 And I love that that's the first and it's there. Yeah.
When it comes to Florida, when it comes to the Disney in Florida,

Speaker 1 don't do it. First of all, we get Cinderella's Castle, which is, is, you know,

Speaker 1 also a landmark. She's large and in charge.
Yes,

Speaker 1 she is.

Speaker 1 My mom tells us too often that she wants her ashes

Speaker 1 sprinkled over it. And I'm like, mom, it's Christmas.
Do we have to talk about this right now? And she's like, yeah, you have to make sure that that happens.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, mom, I don't want to make sure that that happens. Wow.
Also, like, I think that's like, I think there's like actors back there working and stuff.

Speaker 1 You're going to be sprinkled on people's heads who are like dressed as Tinkerbell waiting for their cue. Totally.
There's like a hotel room in there.

Speaker 1 yeah absolutely there's lots happening back there that i don't know things kind of small right i've heard the the like like what you think the experience of staying in that i've been in there have you i've been in there because i performed at the castle one time and i got to change in there oh which was really cool and it's really beautiful and it's really it feels very real do you have a club 33 membership i don't but you've been in i've been there yeah same i've been through i've been through i've been through um but yeah

Speaker 1 feels a little extreme to me yeah sure

Speaker 1 What, the 30-year week? Do you have a lot of money?

Speaker 1 I've somehow gotten into

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 Okay, no.

Speaker 1 I am like the kind of mental illness where it's like, I will one day. Sure.
Like, I have a sick disease that no one can figure out what it is where, like, I will go there.

Speaker 1 Something happens to me when I get it. If you do it, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 I'm in. We'll get on the list.
Put us on the list.

Speaker 1 Whoever the powers that be. Put us on the list.
And we have to make that happen. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Keep talking. No, I just, I think it's actually one of the most important things.
It's art. That it's day.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Did you ever tell Ari about when we had to be evacuated?

Speaker 1 It broke on us. The tower? It literally.
It was a metric ton of edible.

Speaker 1 What are we doing?

Speaker 1 Rice Krispie treats. Edible rice krispies.
Oh, my goodness. And it broke down? And it broke down.

Speaker 1 As you're about to go in.

Speaker 1 When she goes forward. When she goes forward.
Right. It broke down.
That's so scary. And we were stoned out of our gourd being like,

Speaker 1 yo, is this happening? Honestly, it was not fair. It was the kind of thing where

Speaker 1 we were between worlds. Right, right, right.
While we were like between worlds. And so what they ended up doing was someone kind of comes in out of the shadow.
Out of the proscenium.

Speaker 1 And goes, you guys need to get up. How did they get up? Wait, how did they get in there?

Speaker 1 Whoa. So, and I hate an illusion being shattered.

Speaker 1 I know what it was, but it was kind of fascinating because they go, you guys need to get up, walk into the Twilight Zone, and step out through the exit door. Next door, take a real elevator down.

Speaker 1 I don't want to know where the exit door is. We're not going to tell you, but isn't that crazy? That's really crazy.
I'm so glad that you're safe and that it was fine.

Speaker 1 I hope one day you experience this. I don't want to know where the exit is.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I don't like when anybody breaks down. I mean, like, breaking news.

Speaker 1 Have you been down there to do the Guardian's roller coaster in Epcot? Amazing.

Speaker 1 Another piece of art. That's what it should be.
Yeah, close. That's what it should be.
That's incredible. And the music is different every time.
Yes. And it's just fabulous.
When Konga plays. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Crazy. It goes crazy.

Speaker 1 Absolutely so glad you brought that up because I was going to bring it up. Oh, so you, this was funny.
So we go, we ended up going a bunch of times and I was like, God, I wish it was Konga.

Speaker 1 And they go,

Speaker 1 they say.

Speaker 1 that it's going to happen in two things and they can put you on the train for conga and we did it and it was the best and then what was it that you wanted i really wanted tears for fears everybody wants to rule the world right right right right right and they we never got it they couldn't figure it out for bowen no problem

Speaker 1 and it it well we'll have to go again we'll have to go again

Speaker 1 on set on wicked there's a sculpted sort of thing a gigantic sculpted

Speaker 1 jeff gold bloom a thing of jeff goldlum as the wizard wait do you remember when we discovered his head and we didn't know about we didn't know and then i i remember i have pictures of it yeah because we were going for a walk we were going for a walk Talking about life.

Speaker 1 And then we must. We happen upon this gigantic face of Jeff Goldblum.
Jeff Goldblum's face. And we were like, dear God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness, Jeff. Basically, a two-story tall, sculpted face mask of Jeff Goldblum.
And we're like, wow, this is crazy. And then it's in the movie.
It serves a purpose.

Speaker 1 Yes, it serves a beautiful purpose. But we just had no idea.
We were so disarmed by it. Yes.

Speaker 1 Was this figment? No, this figment. But in a way, one day we were on set.

Speaker 1 We were on set. And we

Speaker 1 were just like talking about our favorite

Speaker 1 underrated journey into the imagination. Yes, because we were like, oh my gosh.
Like, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 We had said, oh, my gosh. You know who I love? That figment.
That figment, Diva.

Speaker 1 No, get up, girl. Tiva down.

Speaker 1 Wait, no.

Speaker 1 Here's the actual question I need answered absolutely right now. If they were to add one of your songs to Guardians of the Galaxy,

Speaker 1 They don't have to do that. Do that because I want it.

Speaker 1 No, don't do that. Why is it into you? Why is it into you? Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 That would be gagging. You're like, I would love to ride the ghost in Guardians of the Galaxy version.

Speaker 1 Ghosten? No.

Speaker 1 That can be leading.

Speaker 1 I was watching for some reason. Sometimes as I want to do, I'll watch like old clips of the voice.
Yeah. Would you ever go back and do that again?

Speaker 1 And do you think you mostly did it because the chair spun?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 no but i it was a perk it was it was a good perk the theme park thing of this yes is so crazy feels really fun to me it is really fun clearly to you too

Speaker 1 you have to you have to go do it at some point i would love to hit the button it's really fun yeah it's really fun i i got so emotionally attached to everyone that's my problem i can't really do that because i really get in i really get in there with everyone and i love everyone so much i love meeting people and i I've felt so invested.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I still do.
Like I see them all on Instagram. I'm trying to keep in touch with yes.
I mean, not I've been in

Speaker 1 busy. I haven't really been in touch with anyone, but I love them and I'm in touch with them on Instagram.
Like I like their posts. I see their things.
I see what they're up to. Bella had a baby.

Speaker 1 Sasha's putting out solo music. Sasha of Jim and Sasha.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I mean, like, he sent me his project last year and he's so talented. Yeah.
And so I'm still in touch with some of them, but it's just like, I get very involved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also like for a non-competitive person, like the rest of those judges were really competitive. Like Kelly is really competitive.
I love her. I love it.
She's number one.

Speaker 1 She's the best in the world. Is she the best singer in the world? Like, I think

Speaker 1 it could be Kelly Clarkson. Yeah, it could be a thing.
She's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Just wild. She really is one of the greatest vocalists that there ever has been ever.
So with you being being like, you know, like young when she was on American Idol, was that like a trip for you?

Speaker 1 Like, I wonder, like, when you meet these people that are like, you know, now your peers.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, gosh. Well, it feels probably odd to say

Speaker 1 you as someone who's like a really reverent, like respecter of these vocal legends, like now to hear them, just to be able to engage with them. Like,

Speaker 1 how do you approach that?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 so many things that have

Speaker 1 come to be in my life feel like such a

Speaker 1 dream. Like, I can't really fathom a lot of things.
You know,

Speaker 1 even getting to know Imogen Heap, you know, just kind of meeting her was one of the best things that has ever happened ever. You know, I was so in shock.

Speaker 1 And all the first time I went to go meet her, I thought it was being catfished. Wow.
I didn't really think it was going to be her. Yeah.
I was really scared.

Speaker 1 And then I got kind of like lost in the woods. And I was like, this is it.
Yeah, this is it. I'm done.
It was in the woods.

Speaker 1 Well, the journey there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not going to like give, I'm not going to like drop a location.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to like drop a location. She's like, meet me.
In Emmy's house. She's like, I'm in the polkonos.
No, but.

Speaker 1 But it really is a trip. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I just feel so deeply grateful because so much of the art that I have loved, I've developed an interesting relationship with or artists that I've loved. And, you know, when they say,

Speaker 1 don't meet your idols, I've had so many positive experiences of that, and I'm so grateful for that, you know? Can I share what the moment was that I got to witness of you meeting Stevie next? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was for promos on Thursday. And

Speaker 1 she had written me a letter a few years ago. So we had spoken.

Speaker 1 We had spoken once before, but we had never met. But sorry to interrupt.
No, no, no. And Ari and I were already on the floor, just like giggling, being stupid.

Speaker 1 And then they bring Stevie on, and I just kind of immediately need to back away so I took Ari's hands and was like

Speaker 1 I have to tell you that I loved your video for we can't be friends it reminded me of so many people that I have come across in my life probably

Speaker 1 brought Lindsay Buckingham up sure totally and like for whatever the song means like for her to

Speaker 1 That was such a surreal moment. I couldn't

Speaker 1 believe anything. She's so kind

Speaker 1 and so cool and so beautiful. I can't, I can't really get over what that was like spending those few days together and sharing the space with her.

Speaker 1 Just such a warm, beautiful, good witch in every sense, you know, you know, just overly generous, like overly friendly, overly kind. And

Speaker 1 I don't know. I feel like I, I love meeting people and talking, but sometimes I can go and stay, overstay my welcome.
I feel it. And I felt like I, like I wasn't doing that.

Speaker 1 She just wanted to keep going with me. And I was like, oh my goodness, we're both going and going and going.
And she's such a, just a sweet, kind, kind energy.

Speaker 1 And I just, I couldn't wrap my head around it.

Speaker 1 What she's offering right now, too, with this new song, like, I was watching an interview with her a couple days ago, and, you know, the song is about like women, like, acting right now.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, us voting and fighting the fight, like, and really making sure that we don't lose rights. And, but she was really talking about it in a way of like service.

Speaker 1 She's like, she said this line in this interview where she was like, I was given this gift and I'm doing my job. She's like, I'm out here.
And you get the sense that it's just like,

Speaker 1 you know, she didn't have to do Saturday Night Live. No.
You know what I mean? I would imagine that's a pretty daunting thing to be asked.

Speaker 1 And she spoke on how nervous she was, but you get the sense that she's like, no, I'm giving you this. People need to hear this song.
I'm being given this opportunity. I have this to offer.

Speaker 1 And she kept saying, like, you know, I tell a good story. So I'm going to go out there and tell the story.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, there was like a selfless, like artist mentality that she so clearly had and has had. There's work to be done, and I'm gonna do it.
Yeah, she's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a serviceability in what she does that she knows about, you know, she's like, I'm gonna like be the vehicle for this message. That's God.
I just love her.

Speaker 1 I loved seeing you guys together. That was

Speaker 1 really special. Yeah.
The BTS,

Speaker 1 because I remember we got to be on the floor for Edge of 17. And so there was a moment where for some reason they had to hold it back for a second.

Speaker 1 Like I guess maybe some commercial was going too long or whatever. And there was a moment, but I was watching you guys interact with each other and like have a moment of play in that moment.

Speaker 1 And I was like, this is very, it's like obviously a cool live TV moment, like where they had to count down a few different times, but just watching you guys together was a really fun.

Speaker 1 It was really fun.

Speaker 1 We both kind of looked at each other. We were like, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was very sweet. And,

Speaker 1 you know, when live things like that are happening, it's everyone gets a little nervous. And we felt like the audience get a little tense too.
So we started doing like a bit with them too.

Speaker 1 It was really fun. You could play her in a biopic.
Oh, why?

Speaker 1 If that,

Speaker 1 not to be like, that should happen in the way that you can cut it if you want, but you could. Oh, my goodness.
There are so many girlies that would be

Speaker 1 perfect for that. Well, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 You might be one of the girlies. Stevie should play Stevie in the past.
Oh, there you go. No one can do Stevie better.
It's like when Fantasia played herself, absolutely. Remember that?

Speaker 1 It was years ago. Fantasia played herself in her own biopic for lifetime.
Yes. Yes.
Genius. Yeah.
Should happen more. Do you remember when Cher played everyone in West Side Story? West Side Story.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Iconic.
Fabulous. You could pull that off.
That's really, that's really fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to know what that meeting was.

Speaker 1 You think it was just one meeting? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do.

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Speaker 1 With our final 20 minutes, let's cross into I Don't Think So Honey because I don't think so honey always provokes conversation and I want to leave room for it.

Speaker 1 So I Don't Think So Honey is our 60 second segment where we all rant, rail, and rave against something in culture that just bothers us.

Speaker 1 And we, it's a cathartic moment, and we're all going to be made better for it. I have something that I'd like to do.
Okay, I don't really have like I haven't planned anything out.

Speaker 1 I just have my emotions on this thing. Okay, that's good.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, calamari.
Can I ask you a genuine question?

Speaker 1 Who actually cares? I do.

Speaker 1 You actually care about calamari. You think that you I don't think so honey that it's ever different one place to the other.

Speaker 1 Don't get me wrong it's a really good appetizer there's no versatility and if you get into being versatile with your calamari what's going to happen is it's not fried then it's just like what boiled calamari sure

Speaker 1 i'm sorry but i'm vegan it's but it's boring it's boring the things we can do with other appetizers are look at wings look at my girl wings oh you can have her lemon pepper you can have her buffalo you can have her barbecue and i've only listed three i don't have time to list the rest but what i'm saying is the versatility now i hear hear you at home.

Speaker 1 Matt, what about Buffalo calamari? You have a point. 15 seconds.
But you don't see it. You don't hear about it.
Calamari physics is something that's on the table constantly.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, that's great, but are we just not using our imaginations? Five seconds. Brussels sprouts on the table as an appetizer.
I'm saying it. And Bahita is nodding.

Speaker 1 And I want to say, let's get more creative with appetizers. Seafood restaurants, I'm looking at you like, come on, let's get the raw bar together.
That's quite enough. That's one minute.
All right.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I just feel, I don't think anyone agrees with me see i agree i don't think i mean but i also have never had it i don't want to eat them you don't want to eat them i don't want to eat them i gotta say i think it's better for the world yeah i hear no i hear that deeply but to each their own to each their own

Speaker 1 because you're right it is better for the world i mean when natalie pointed came out with that documentary that was like did you ever watch her doc no eating animals eating animals it was what it was called and it was so crazy to watch her do press for it because she was like listen My documentary does talk about how it's much, much better for the world for us to not do it, but I'm not telling you not to.

Speaker 1 I'm just here with my documentary. Yeah.
And like watch it or don't. This is the choice I made for myself, but she's like, it's not that you're wrong.
I'm just right. Yeah.
It's not that you're wrong.

Speaker 1 I'm just right was really the vibe. Which is a vibe.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two things can be true. Yeah, two things can be true.
It's not that you're wrong. I'm just right.
Right, absolutely. I'm right and

Speaker 1 you might be wrong. I'm big and you're small.
What's that from? Trunch Bull. Oh, say

Speaker 1 the legend's name. Trunchball.
Trunch Bowl. I have a question.

Speaker 1 Should my thing be about my

Speaker 1 Tower of Terror? Absolutely. Should I read it? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Hold on, I have to get it. Do you want to go in that? I'll go.
I'll just

Speaker 1 pull it up. I just, I do want to say, I want to push back and say that you cannot say that anyone who likes calamari is not, is unimaginative when it comes to appetizers.
I just think that where

Speaker 1 all the sauces you named for wings can easily be slathered onto, but you don't want to. Talk about it like that.
I'm just offering up my rebuttal. That's all.
You have are you Calamari queen?

Speaker 1 I love Calamari.

Speaker 1 Have you ever watched the like my best friend, the octopus? Yes. Oh, my octopus teacher.
My octopus teacher. My octopus teacher.
That's what it's called. That's a movie for dads, for sure.

Speaker 1 My dad loves that show. For dads and me.
Your dad's not Ari. You know what I've seen like four times? Blackfish.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a dude.

Speaker 1 And I

Speaker 1 force it. I hope it forced it.
Doesn't it stay with you after one? It's a mental illness that no one can tell me what it is. The the things I do.
Oh, Twitter will tell you.

Speaker 1 Oh, they'll tell you. I know they will.
Come on. Oh,

Speaker 1 one day they all came for me. They were like, Matt has ADHD.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 stop. And then I was, now I'm like, I do.
Absolutely. No, you cannot.
They tell me I have a lot of things.

Speaker 1 God. And

Speaker 1 I think you're on attempts. No, I'm kidding.
I'm joking. You're actually invasive and scary.

Speaker 1 I told you last night I looked at the computer. I'm like, what do they say? I help? And write that down? That down? That down.

Speaker 1 No. Just wrong and loud and unhealthy.
Wrong and loud. Yeah.
That's wrong and loud. That's toxic.
You ready to be right and loud? Yeah. I don't think so, honey? Yeah.
So here comes Bo and Yang.

Speaker 1 By the way, I was showing Ari the intermediate Mariah playlist. This is yours.
Please just send that to me. Yeah, I will, I will.
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Bo and Yang, locked, loaded, ready to rip, roar, and ride. I don't think so, honey.
Time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Ginger. I don't like the way you're shaped.

Speaker 1 I go to the grocery store.

Speaker 1 You're shaped like branched dicks. And I don't like how you slice into it and you leave it on the counter and it becomes stringy.

Speaker 1 And then Nigella Lawson describes ginger as having a spicy warmth. I go, shut up.
It is, it doesn't do anything. When was the last time a ginger shot kept you from having a cold? Me, I.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hi. Damn it.
30 seconds.

Speaker 1 It is, it is not, it is not pulling its weight anymore. Ginger, you think it's the placebo, y'all.
I'm telling you for a fact. It is not actually doing anything.

Speaker 1 You're eating something spicy and gross, and it's not actually good anymore. And big ginger has making all these candies now that

Speaker 1 make you feel like you're supposed to be healthy. No, I don't think so many ginger.
You're shaped, we are.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're ever supposed to have eaten you. We're supposed to have letting you grow in the ground and take root

Speaker 1 and be buried. Look at the faces of your friends.
They're laughing. They're laughing at us.
That couldn't have been at us.

Speaker 1 No. I don't think they're laughing at us.

Speaker 1 If you're laughing at us, say, woo!

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I don't think that's a sound.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you, guys.
Thank you. Well, I think.
Well, now we're both embarrassed. You stand by your calamari, I don't think so, honey.
This is a disaster. Ginger.
Ginger is fabulous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's fabulous.

Speaker 1 I've always thought so until I used it for a dish yesterday and I went. What was the dish? Yeah, tell us.
It was a curry.

Speaker 1 It belongs. It has to be in curry, doesn't it? You would think

Speaker 1 too much.

Speaker 1 Well, much too much. Did you just put too much in?

Speaker 1 That's on ginger. That can happen.
That's on ginger.

Speaker 1 Much like Star Anise has a big presence, sucks up all the space in the room. Certain flavors really can't be, you can't share a dish with them.
No. I think they're very self-conscious about it.

Speaker 1 I think Star Anise comes into the room and is like, hi. Hi.
Hey. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 It's good to see you. I see you have

Speaker 1 And Celery's like, fuck.

Speaker 1 I don't think people know you as a culinary icon. You are.
Has it been something you're holding back from the world? Well, I mean, I don't think I'm a culinary icon, I'll say. Giata is shook.

Speaker 1 Gianna is shaking.

Speaker 1 I do like to. Don't you feel Gianna shaking?

Speaker 1 I think Gianna DeLaurentis is shaking. What does Gianna Delaware have anything to do with? I think Giana Delawarentis is watching this right now and being like, fuck.
Ariana is good.

Speaker 1 She's coming for me. She's cooking.
yeah she's cooking now I am cooking I am cooking I like to cook I do yeah that's enough of that

Speaker 1 I don't think there's life there I don't think that's interesting or adds value to this podcast

Speaker 1 who gives a shit

Speaker 1 am I gonna sit here and talk about like roasting mushrooms for the next 10 minutes oh my god

Speaker 1 whoa that is amazing tell more about that

Speaker 1 well you know

Speaker 1 honestly anyone do you like king oyster trumpet like the trumpet ones The trumpet mushroom? Yeah, the trumpet ones. I do like those.
There's so many different ways you can work those guys, you know?

Speaker 1 Oh, they're beefy. There's so many different ways you can work those guys.
That sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 Especially about something that looks as phallic as it does. There's so many different ways you can work them.
No, but you can make them into little like scallops.

Speaker 1 You can make them into scallops if you just aute them like that. Or you can chop them.

Speaker 1 I wish you would have seen food queens because you know,

Speaker 1 and roast, like bake them in their little chips. Yeah.
I'd love that. I want to take her to Brooklyn Crab.
Oh, yeah. I used to work at this restaurant in Red Hook.
She can't eat. Take me.

Speaker 1 You can't eat that. No, you can have a drink.
I can have the sides.

Speaker 1 That's the one thing about being vegan. You really get to know the sides.
Sides, queen. Right.
It's like, can I have the satisfaction? Is it in butter? You know, you got to ask.

Speaker 1 You know.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of. I told you that wasn't going to go anywhere.
So speaking of serving up a dish,

Speaker 1 here it is. So are you ready? Oh, yes.
So this is the moment. And it feels like you've now thought.

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't know what I was going to do, but I feel like now that we've talked about it, I should use my letter. Absolutely.
Now is the time. Use the letter.

Speaker 1 It's time for everyone to hear the letter. This is Ariana Grande's.
I don't think so, anyway. Her time starts.
Wait, wait.

Speaker 1 So this is going to be a different take on I don't think so honey. This is a historical artifact.
It's a written document that really serves as an I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 And here we go. Here we go.
This is Ariana Grande's. I don't think so, honey.
Her time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. The Guardians of the Galaxy ride in Disneyland, California.
No offense, said with much love and respect.

Speaker 1 An open letter to Disney World, Orlando. Hello, I hope this finds you well.
My name is Ariana Grande. I've been a frequent visitor and a great admirer of your park since I can remember.

Speaker 1 Some of my fondest adult but professional memories have been collaborating on my cover of Alan Mankin and David Zippel's tremendous hit, Zero to Hero, and performing in front of Cinderella's Castle along a magnificent choir that you so graciously provided.

Speaker 1 Further, some of my oldest and warmest personal memories include spotting hidden Mickeys across the parks, driving up from Boca on the weekends, counting the purple signs, knowing we we were nearing your parks, and alas, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, riding the absolute masterpiece that is the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror for the first time once I was finally tall enough.

Speaker 1 Perhaps this message comes prematurely, but I would be remiss if I did not reach out with a potential matter of grave concern.

Speaker 1 In the wake of the most recent alterations that have befallen your historic Paulson park in California, yes, I am referring to the calamitous loss/slash makeover of the Tower of Terror ride here.

Speaker 1 I humbly implore you to not follow suit.

Speaker 1 Please allow the iconic and tremendous Tower of Terror to stand tall permanently in the name of historical preservation spooky honor and good old-fashioned fun i hope that you'll consider this humble plea from a passionate fan and in my way of

Speaker 1 watching while asking that my own passionate and devoted fans sign the attached change.org petition just in case i never posted this but i really wanted to

Speaker 1 one minute are you my best friend my best friend aaron and i worked on this together during the pandemic you can tell it went through drafts yeah absolutely the vocab yeah we did it

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
You, and did they, so you never sent it? No, I never posted it. Now it's up there.
But I was ready. But it felt like there were more important things going on in the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I didn't, I just wanted to.
There's always more. There's always going to be

Speaker 1 no, I don't know. This was really up there.
I'm kidding. Here's the thing.
I'm joking.

Speaker 1 But it's not a joke.

Speaker 1 You know, I once created a change.org petition for Disney World, and it actually got a lot of signatures, which was I did not want them to make Donald Trump in the Hall of Presidents. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 I was like, this would be ridiculous. Don't do it.
And then they did. No, they did.
Oh, they put him there?

Speaker 1 Well, that's great. So famously, they, what, you know what I'm going to say? So they started to make a Hillary animatronic because everyone was so positive.

Speaker 1 So when you go down to, if you ever go to the Hall of Presidents and you see the Donald Trump animatronic, he kind of has Hillary's face. No.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 I'm talking about exactly what I said, Ariana. I'm talking about exactly what I said.
40 times.

Speaker 1 But literally, he's got the face shape. You can confirm this, right?

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he's got

Speaker 1 her face.

Speaker 1 I can't say anymore.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll post it. But, like, I did a change.org and it did some numbers.
And

Speaker 1 we will post the change.org petition that you're referring to. You know what?

Speaker 1 I don't want to rock the boat. No.
Too late.

Speaker 1 This is a duty. It's true.
Too late. It is too late.
Consider the boat rocked as fuck. It is too late.
No.

Speaker 1 It's okay.

Speaker 1 As we say goodbye. Why was this so good? I literally, I had been waiting to meet you.
Like, every single day. We finally met.
I know.

Speaker 1 And also, I felt like it was the SNL after party, and it was so, there was so much going on. And I literally like.
You had a glow around you. You had a halo around you coming towards me.

Speaker 1 And it felt like an angel descended from the heavens. I was literally like, this person, wait, I literally, because we've messaged and I I know you and we, I know you know his DMs every now and then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. But I was just, I told Bo, and I was like, oh my goodness, he has such a disarmingly warm energy.
I am

Speaker 1 so obsessed with him.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I felt like I was like, I was like meeting Ari.

Speaker 1 And so it was just like, I like, I give her a hug and I'm like, I just want to say that, you know, and I started to like, I was like, I have this conversation with her later about how meaningful it is to me that you were there for him when he was going through things.

Speaker 1 And I just like, I've always, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I just always felt very connected to you because I could tell that my friend had a friend.

Speaker 1 And so,

Speaker 1 anyway,

Speaker 1 that's how I feel about that. And you just are such a sensation in this movie and in everything you do.
And we love you because

Speaker 1 we knew you.

Speaker 1 You know, we used to sing for good. I'm need to hear that.
Yeah, I was alphabet. I was glinda.
I'm glad. That's tracks.
Tracks. It does.
It really does. We actually had it.

Speaker 1 We had it together there for a while. We had a great rendition.
There was once a video of us like. I feel like I have seen it, but I want to see it in person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know?

Speaker 1 We got to do it. We'll do it soon.
We'll do it someday. But it's so emotional to get through.
Oh, forget about for good. That must have been crazy shooting that.

Speaker 1 I was hovering outside my body for two weeks. And also, we shot it on a rain cover day.
So it wasn't even supposed to be when we were shooting it. Got you.
Which I loved because

Speaker 1 I love not over-rehearsing or knowing fully. You know, when you know the girls, you can just jump in and do what you're supposed to, you know, it's fine.
And we just were, it was a lot.

Speaker 1 We had to do movie two is going to be a lot. I can't wait.
We're not allowed to talk about it much, but I just will say it's going to feel different. Yeah.
That's right. Everyone.
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 Everyone that was like, it should be one movie. Like, you're going to feel silly.

Speaker 1 I think you'll understand once you see it that there's just just simply too much, there's too much to get through that deserves and

Speaker 1 needs to be honored and explored and fully

Speaker 1 represented. Yeah, we've got one shot to make these movies, you know, until they remake it and you know, whatever.
Yeah, but we had to get it right. There's so much story that deserves the time.

Speaker 1 Got it right. Thank you.
So did you. You are brilliant.

Speaker 1 I love you both so much. Thank you for having me.
This was so much fun.

Speaker 1 We end every episode with a song.

Speaker 1 Switching the positions for you.

Speaker 1 Kitchen in the bedroom. Not you not knowing it in front of her.

Speaker 1 Don't, I know it. I was coming to you.

Speaker 1 You picked a strange key.

Speaker 1 We're done. Bye.
Maybe it was just the key.

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Speaker 1 Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Han Sani. Produced by Becca Ramos.
Edited and mixed by Doug Baim and Minique Bord. And our music is by Ednick Burski.

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