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Hey everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is.
I'm doing my whole album, Have You Heard of Christmas? plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com to see me in a city near you.
And now, Las CULCH. Drums.
Look, Matt. Oh, I see.
Oh, my. Bowen, look over there.
Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.
Wow. Los Culturistas.
Ding dong. Los Culturistas calling.
And they call every week without fail. Let's talk about that.
Did you know, we're maybe the only podcast left that doesn't do seasons. Oh, yeah.
Maybe that's going out the window, too. Who knows? Well, we're form breakers.
Yes. So the podcast has received critical acclaim.
Now they're giving us an award for breaking ground in podcasting, Bo. Oh, my gosh.
Us and Esther Perel. Esther Perel.
I better learn how to say that before I meet her. Oh, my God.
You know what a fun Halloween costume would have been? What? Fred Esther Perel. That's really good, Beau.
That would have been really fun. Oh my God, you and Astaire Perel, I unfortunately cannot make this ceremony.
Yeah. The Signal Awards.
The Signal Awards. We're so honored, so thankful.
You get to meet Astaire Perel, which is going to be huge. And I think you two will hit it off.
I have a feeling we're going to connect. By the way, I know it's Ast Esther Perel.
It just came out like Esther Perel, which sometimes is going to happen when you have a name like that. Has anyone ever come up to you and gone like, Bowen? Yeah, I've had people fully go Bowen and I'm like, Bowen? Hello? Hello? And they know, these are people who know how my name is pronounced and you know, something goes off in the synapses and they fire a little bit incorrectly.
A hundred percent. Synapses fire incorrectly at times.
That's actually rule of culture number six. Synapses fire incorrectly at times.
Wait, do you know what's funny is if you really think about this, Bo. Yes.
And notice I say Bo and not Bo, because the point I'm going to make is about how we often will call each other a name that is not our God-given name. Right.
And I've never once said to you, Bo. You can do Bo.
I've never made a Bo-Bo joke to you. Like, even though B-O-W is such an integral part of your first name, I've never made like a Bo-Wow-Wow joke to you ever.
Yippee-ee yo, yippee yay. I, remember there was an era like early on in our friendship where I was calling you Mimi? Yes.
Bobo and Mimi. Title of ep.
Title of ep. Bobo and Mimi.
Oh, it's very Mariah of you. It didn't stand the test of time.
Why don't you think? I think it's making its grand return today. Yeah.
All right. So right before we started, Bowen asked me if I was annoyed with him because we could have been tactile today, but Bowen wants us to have our own days.
By the way, just for context, we're going to get tactile the next two days on the calendar. And we'll talk about why.
We'll talk about why. And we've been so tactile lately.
And I want you to know, you said, are you annoyed with me? And I literally really thought about it. And I said 7% just because I wish you had told me that this was happening.
That we could have been tactile. But you have your ways.
And 7% is nothing. My ways.
I'm not your ways. I just mean like.
No, I'm annoyed with you. 15%.
No, not double digits. I just mean sometimes like I know you want to have your own time.
And I respect it deeply. What is going on? Are you? I mean, maybe it's just the world and the news.
I have been on my report card for sleep in my mind. Oh, my God.
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail.

Worse than usual?

Matt Rogers.

I went out last night.

It's Halloween weekend.

Got home at like four,

went to bed at 4.30,

woke up at 7.30.

Couldn't go back to sleep.

Went crazy.

Finally at 11.30,

managed to like go back to sleep for like an hour and a half

before recording this.

I don't know.

Something I'm just like,

anyway, this is what it's about. Like I just like took everything else off the calendar except for this no and can i tell you something i'm zero percent and i want you to know that right now i am zero oh no no that's zero percent that's not why no but as a result of hearing you say that you're not sleeping which that so i just want you to know zero percent queen i want you to have all the moments of rest.
Do you think it's Halloween looming? I think it's Halloween looming. I think it's many things looming.
Oh girl. We don't have to really talk about it, but I think we probably should.
If this is going to be a last culture racist, I think we need to talk about what's happening in culture, which is unforge the election. Unforge the election.
Maybe that's the title of that. No, no, no.
It's Bobo and Mimi. Yeah, because that's really what this podcast is all about.
And it's received critical acclaim and awards. It's received critical acclaim and awards.
I have seen you earlier. I got tactile with you earlier this week.
And I really appreciate you as a friend and a person and an artist. I love you so dearly, Matt Rogers.
Oh my god! We need to start by talking

about the one, the

only, Elizabeth Finchie

Finch. I'm so happy that you said

that because I fear I

may have forgotten and this is the

really the only, this is the top

news story of the week. Unfortunately,

the election is on the list.

This is the number one news story of the week.

Elizabeth R. Finch.

Finchy to her friends.

Finchy to her enemies.

Unfortunately.

Yeah.

Finchy to her coworkers

who put on a good front

on this documentary

by saying,

we were so concerned for Finchy.

You know these other writers

on Grey's fucking hated her ass.

So Bowen watched the entirety

of the documentary on Peacock about Elizabeth R. Finch,

Grey's Anatomy writer slash

liar about cancer.

Anatomy of Lies. Set the scene.
Tell us what

we can expect to see when we click play.

So this is, I think, one of the

first Vanity Fair Studios productions.

Shout out the F. Oh, shout

out. Welcome to

the unscripted space.

Let's go, baby. Let's go.
We love the magazine. Welcome to television.
Every time I read that magazine, I'm like, I just wish I could watch this. Period.
And now Vanity Fair is on television. You can watch it.
On Peacock, our sister. I can't.
I'll get too emotional if I start talking about my sister over there. If I start talking about my sister, Peacock.
Yeah. LCCA winners.
Colch winners. Basically, I mean, there's just, it's such a sprawling, truly, web of lies has never been so appropriate.
You know, I always roll my eyes at that term. Oh, web of lies.
LOL. Who are these people? Spiders? No, this is her.
She spawns the web. She spawns the web.
She spins the yarn. And she is someone who grew up in New Jersey, had aspirations of being in showbiz, went to college.
I think apparently she went to college in Pittsburgh. She's just like all of you, basically, is what we're saying.
Well, let's just get a little bit granular to start, and then we'll go from there. So she allegedly went to college.
They don't really talk about it. They kind of glossed over this chapter in her life.
She went to college in the Pittsburgh area where she was a frequenter of the Tree of Life Synagogue. Sure.
And then she went on to the grad program at usc for screenwriting and then she would proceed to work on shows such as true blood and vampire diaries where she made close friendships and very deep traumatic she had traumatic experiences on the set of vampire diaries at the hands of a director this woman then like went on to write for Grey's Anatomy as she was hiding quote-unquote a cancer diagnosis but was kind of hired for that reason because she kept getting pieces on I guess it was Vanity Fair or was just other magazines where in publications and trades where she was writing about how she was battling cancer and how Friday Night Lights and people saying state was such a rallying cry for her. She was publicly sick and writing brave stories.
Publicly sick and writing brave stories also might be title of that. I think that's an excellent title.
Publicly sick and writing brave stories brave stories basically all of this is a huge

lie there's a huge grift huge lie and then the documentary kind of follows her as she checks into a institution in arizona where she meets this woman named jen who is escaping an abusive husband who has kind of

put her kids custody at stake

and Finchie

kind of preys on this

in her narcissistic tendency, preys on Jen and takes advantage of her and kind of mothers the children when she has an aversion to children, to everyone else. The layers on this are crazy.
I need you to reveal the funniest detail of this entire thing to you. And the way that I prefaced it to you, I said, Matt, we have to watch this documentary series because there's one detail in this that is the most Matt Rogers coded thing I can, I couldn't even dream of saying.
And now I say, do we reveal it here? I think we have to. We are going to spoil it.
We're going to say spoiler alert. She at one point claims to need a kidney transplant.
And she tells everyone that she's getting a kidney from her dear friend, Anna Paquin. She tells everyone I need, I guess like word gets around because she tells maybe someone at work, she's getting a kidney transplant and it's from Anna Paquin.
They're dear friends from their time together at True Blood. This woman, this celebrated actress, Oscar winning? Oscar nominee.
It was euphoric. Oscar winning.
Anna Paquin, the piano. Sookie Stackhouse herself allowing a kidney transplant.
And mind you, this obviously did not happen. And who knows if they are even friends.
But the thing thing is like it was one of those moments when it came when it happened on screen after you had said i could never have even guessed that that would have been what what it was but you are correct it was a euphoric adele dazeem-esque moment it was it was it was the euphoria I felt in my chest. I felt a pop of joy when I realized she had told everyone that she was getting a kidney from her dear friend Anna Paquin.
That really honestly we needed that. We needed that win and we got that win.
This is a Del Dazeem level. A Del Dazeem famously the number one

moment of culture.

There might have to be a new list.

Interesting. 500.
We're getting close.

We are getting ever closer

and maybe it's the top 500

greatest moments in culture

again.

And are we setting up

a cycle that

600 will be the 600 greatest songs of the Great Global Songbook again? Or I don't know. See, the thing is, as we rack up even more episodes of this critically acclaimed podcast, which has never been bigger in its life, I have to tell you, this Lost Colch is, wow.
It's everywhere. If you are on Reels, you're watching Lost Colch.
Oh, honey. You're watching the backwash of TikTok, and you're watching Lost Colch Reels, period.
I mean, we were so, so, so fastidious on Mariah's behalf about getting the lighting right for her. Let's talk about it.
Should we unpack? Of course. Absolutely.
But are we done with, what was even the name of the Finchie documentary? Anatomy of Lies. Anatomy of Lies.
Anatomy of Lies. Anatomy of Lies.
Yes. Because honestly, it is huge culture.
And the fact that you had already watched the entire thing and you go to me, we're watching it again i want to i swear i want to do i needed to watch you and sudi watch it again honestly was there anything crazy that might have been the moment that defines it all for me that's also that like that a person could be this twisted and like it's a true exploration it's honestly deeply sad by the end because of how like this woman, Jen, who gets absolutely her life rocked, not just by Finchie, but by life itself. Like she cannot get a win, this woman.
And she is doing a talking head. Like she's talking about what happened and she is reliving it in the most visceral way I have ever seen like a documentary at least in these pop culture documentaries interview subject embody what it means to have been in that same pain.
Yes. You know what I mean? It's very on the surface.
Yes. Yeah.
The documentary ends on a very beautiful note as it focuses on what a wonderful mother she is to her five children who all seem so happy.

And they're back with mom.

So wonderful.

The other detail that I do want to talk about that I love is each episode ends on some text cards.

And the detail that I love is that.

Yes, this is so good.

I love this too.

This was a scream at the end of every episode. A scream.

So Finchie, kind of without this other writer's permission, took

their personal story about being

conceived from rape

and used it

as a B story.

Yeah. On the big Grey's

post-MeToo episode

that she kind of took ownership of.

She was very publicly writing that as well.

You know what I mean? Totally. She was like, I have written

the episode of Me Too, Grey's

Anatomy. Here

it is. She also was

Thank you. was very publicly writing that as well.
You know what I mean? She was like, I have written the episode of me too. Grey's anatomy here.
It is. She also was.
So the probably funniest part about it is that the character that she ended up really gravitating towards was Joe played by actress Camilla Ludington. Yes.
And the title card on each episode ends with Elizabeth Finch claims that the Kavanaugh hearings

inspired her to write silent after all these years not a stolen story but the Kavanaugh hearings the Kavanaugh hearings and then line break paragraph break the actress Camilla Ludington claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired which actors have ideas all the time and we love that and speaking as actors we celebrate the ideas of actors and that's. And speaking as actors.
We celebrate the ideas of actors, and that's actually rollercoaster number one. We celebrate the ideas of actors.
Especially Camilla Luddington. But Camilla Luddington had the idea from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings as well to have her character, Joe, be a child conceived of rape as well.
They're putting together this documentary and it's like, is it this woman's

real story or the stolen story of Finchie?

Just as a third

drop, Camilla

steps forward and says, no, I

came up with it.

I came up with it. I stole

this woman's story. It's so

funny and not funny at all. It was me

who wanted to do this.

This is, it is a tapestry of personality disorders across multiple people. I love it.
And I embrace and welcome all of them into my home. I would welcome Elizabeth Finch into my home.
I literally, I would welcome her into my home. Seriously.
And I would say, let's sit down. Let's talk.
No, this is what happened now. You would say, Finchie, come into my home.
I welcome you. And then here's what she would say.
Yeah. Respectfully.
Hell fecking. No, hell fecking.
No. Oh my God.
See, this is, this is the other element of it is you would hear this woman's credits and you would think, or you know, the, she went to USC, like all those things. Right.
You would think she was quite good. Oh, all the clips that they show are the most insane, batshit, crazy dialogue you've ever heard.
Like, it's just, and then you're watching the show and not this, but a little bit like, God, was this the quality of Grey's? Even when we were watching it at this time, I actually had stopped watching it by that time. I had stopped watching it at that time too.
But you know what? I can't blame the people within Grey's who like championed her. Like, unfortunately, they were being fooled.
They were supported by a master manipulator. Yes, yes, yes.
It's crazy at the time to look back and be like, wow, like we had to take this this seriously because this woman was really, really, really saying that she was going through it. And like, why wouldn't you let her testify to that? And it's also wild to me that she does walk free.
You know what I mean? Like, there's no illegal element, I guess, to any of this. She's just allowed to go on a spree of baseline hectic, like, at its worst, like, really harmful and damaging

lies. Like, it's crazy.

She's walking free. I think

like, there is

no world in which anyone gives her any

credibility. Well, certainly no.

Anyway, everyone, we lightly spoiled

Anatomy of Lies. It's really well made.

Congratulations once again to Vanity Fair

Studios. And Peacock.

Honestly, who really, it's almost like I had been missing like the third graders writing for my scripted series because none of my shows are on. So I felt like I got a third grader documentary and the fact that like the content of what was happening, I can only describe as, and just like that ask.
Maybe Finchie is going to collab with the third graders soon. What do you think about that? See, this is where I think, Beau, we encounter the really dark and harmful thing about all this, which is have we made Finchie a legit icon? And do we want to see another film from her, another episode of television? I kind of, I would welcome Finchie's creativity at this point.
Wow, she's really in my home. Well, I don't.
It's worked on me. The narcissism never...
She's in the guest room. She's co-parenting her children.
Narcissists love to see me coming. They love to see me coming.
That's so true of both of us. Oh my God.
The narcissists love us or we love the narcissists. I call them.
Taylor Swift AF. Never trust a narcissist, but they love me.
I want to talk about recent concert going experiences too. Okay.
Should we put a pin in that? Go to Mariah first. Did you want to talk about concert experience? So I guess the first thing I would say about the Mariah episode was that, wow, it fucking happened.
Honestly,

yes.

Regarding the lighting,

we were on it.

And I have to say she was barely late,

but you know what I mean? Like showed up ready to go serene.

That is the quality I would describe.

I mean,

and then so kind,

so open to us.

Obviously like listening back to that,

I keep a little bit of me as like, Matt, relax, relax, relax. But I think that she dealt with all the energy well, and I think we did pretty well.
I think we did wonderfully. You especially.
That is another gorgeous moment where I get to, like, witness you talk to your fucking hero. I was, I can't believe it, Matt.
You did so well. Thank you.
And I want everyone to hear me say this on this podcast right now, because I said it out loud to be why, who I used to call Bobo and he would call me Mimi. I said to him, it is important to me now that we get two people on this podcast and I'm speaking it out into existence now.
Lady Gaga, it's time for you to come on this podcast. And this is the white whale, Beau.
This is the next white whale. Celine Dion on Lost Coach.
Celine Dion. I'm going to cry.
Celine Dion on Lost Coach. I need you to experience what I've experienced with Kelly and Mariah.
Gaga and Celine on Lost Coach. When this podcast is winning a Signal Award.
I am emotional now. Now I'm emotional.
No, don't. Girl, don't.
You need to be strong. We are a leader in podcasts.
We have to have the best. We need the leaders in art.
We need the leaders in art. But Celine and Gaga on the podcast.
That's what we want. Consider this the first flair out into the world.
And publicists, you play a role in this. You can help make this happen.
You really can. If you tweet at Gaga.
Tweet at Gaga. Tweet at Celine.
She loves it when people tweet at her. Send Celine a ton of fan mail.
Let's do this. Let's letter bomb Celine.
Oh my God. This is...
With love. With love.
No, I'm still just overwhelmed thinking about the idea of them coming. Can you imagine? I mean, I actually think those would be both stunning episodes.
Stunning. Stunning.
Oh, my God. I mean, to have like a quatrain, a quartet of episodes.
Mm-hmm. Kelly, Mariah, Gaga, Celine.
Like, that is unbelievable. To say nothing of what's happening for the next month.
Should we announce our little series? Let's announce our series, shall we? Well, and by the way, a film I've seen. Wicked is coming out on November 22nd.
And so we figured it might be fun since Bowen Yang plays the role of Fanny in said film. Fanny the Fop.
That we celebrate this impending release and have some of the stars of Wicked on the podcast. So how about this? Next week, Ariana is coming! Arianka! Arianka! Ariani! I am so excited.
It's going to be fun. It's going to be really fun.
She's coming on the week after. How about this one? How about Cynthia Erivo herself? The legend.
I can't. I'm so beyond.
And then we're going to finish it up with Johnny Bailey. You know, that's true.
Oh, yeah. We're going to finish up for sure.
We might. We're going to have to tell them what I'm doing.
Oh, Matt is wiping the corners of his little mouth. Let me get myself together after that episode.
Three in a row, babes. And then you'll all get to see Wicked on November 22nd when it comes out.
But it's a Wicked month. November is for Wicked.
November's for Wicked. We're going to save any Wicked talk between the two of us for...
Look, it's going to be three weeks of Wicked. Oh, are we? Because I'm popping off.
Am I review embargoed? Can I ask a genuine question? Am I under review embargoed? No. That would be so chic, by the way.
It would be so chic. If you were not explicitly told, I was not explicitly told, I think people are going on...
The people who've seen who've seen it like the you know slay influencers who've seen it like I think are going on popping off okay then let me be a slay influencer right now when I say you guys are going to fucking love this movie it is so so good it is and this is just based this is how I feel it is so much better than it needed to be. Like, there are moments that just bring all of that emotion from the very first time you saw it on Broadway or heard the songs.
Yes. It feels new again.
Their performances are so good. Everyone's in trouble.
Honestly, Ariana's physical comedy, her genuine acting, her emotion is just so real and she's in it with Cynthia. Their chemistry is unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Defying Gravity is a moment and three quarters.
A moment in movie history to me, personally. They did it.
They found a way to make it be as cinematic and as new and as fresh as it probably did the first time. And it's nostalgic.
It honors the moment. You know what I mean? Like you, you feel like when you're watching this movie, like, oh, this must have been what it felt like to discover something when it happened on Broadway.
They did it. They honored Wizard of Oz.
They really just, it looks incredible. You are right.
It is way more practical than we're going to realize. And the movie's going to make you feel all the things.
It's just a great Hollywood movie. I'm so happy you think this and that you saw it.
It was very important that Matt saw it before we had all our guests come on. For me what I love and we're going to say this again and again for the next month like to our guests yeah get into it all the emotional beats hit and everything hits like you know musically it hits of course and visually and it's it is a pure capital s spectacle but most importantly and probably most challengingly these emotional beats hit but like on a character development level and that is kind of what is girding down the reason why this is two films.
Yeah. Oh, people are going to feel so silly for wanting it to have been one.
Well, the complaint for the Broadway show has always been that it's dense. There's so much happening so quickly.
Like, you know, there are obvious character arcs that are amazing. And that's why people love the show so much.
But like, you really got to let it breathe and just let it have some latitude. And I think that the movie gives it all of that and more.
And I mean, every number, I got, there's so many moments. Like there's even songs that you might like kind of, you know, like not politely at, like over the last 20 years, since the show has been out, that like are given new life.
And I'm going to say like, I'm not that girl, nothing wrong with the Broadway version or the stage version or whatever, but like something about seeing it in film, something about the way that Cynthia performs it. Yes.
Incredible. And obviously Ariana Grande.
Yeah. That girl's talented.
Who knew? I mean, it's so funny. I'm watching it and I'm thinking to myself, by the way, just to speak on it, I'm not that girl.
It's because it's like, it's an intimate thing that she's confessing. And when you can be like really personal with her and like John M.
Chu, the man that you are, like he really knows how to do this. And you have to stick to your guns on those big decisions because it was the right one.
Defying Gravity literally brings a curtain down. You know what I mean? You wouldn't be able to just move on to another scene if Defying Gravity happens in the Broadway version, honestly, without Defying Gravity suffering and everything that happens after it's suffering.
So why wouldn't you? Why are we doing this if not to blow it out to its absolute potential? Also, go ahead and Wikipedia, whatever, and read Act 1 and Act 2 of Wicked. Those are two stories.
Those are two arcs in and of themselves. You're actually seeing the characters after a long passage of time in Act 2 of Wicked.
All this to say, just trust me, it is going to give you full ass movie with its own arcs that could end right there and would be a story. You know what I mean? This is its own thing.
And thank you for pointing out the time jump between the two acts. When there's a time jump, you honor that.
Remember Desperate Housewives' time jump? One of the greatest of all time. The haircuts were all askew.
Gabby was in sweats, okay? Gabby was in sweats looking unkempt. Because Eva Longoria can do that.
Oh my God. Let's talk about this.
I love this like sudden news that Eva Longoria saved John Wick basically with $6 million. Oh, this was a really good thing to hear.
She has always been the hero of our culture. I believe that Eva is important beyond just...
Oh my God. Gabby's still at least any one thing.
Like, Eva is... We need Eva on the pod.
We need Eva on the pod. Let's talk about that.
Hello, can I say, fantastic SNL host. Oh.
Pete Desperate Housewife, she She was so fucking big And she still lives but like she was the biggest Fucking deal they were like we gotta get Eva Longoria Her deep house dish is forever Oh my god forever Monday had a bad fish sandwich but one day night I was at the club Tuesday had a bad fish sandwich but Tuesday night I was at the club Wednesday another bad fish sandwich but Wednesday night I was at the club and then she sits still with Keenan and he's just he just says what happened he's like so you had a bad fish sandwich every night and you were still at the club she's like yep and that's basically the sketch that's and that is a fully executed comedic idea.

James Anderson,

you are the John M. Chu of sketch writing,

of sketch comedy in that you get it.

Wait,

Eva Longoria,

like we would love to work with you.

We would love to collaborate with you literally in,

in any way.

And I'm serious.

I'm pointing at you and you know what I'm talking about.

I know.

I know what you're talking about.

We would love to work with you.

Thank you. I think Eva is third co-host.
Why should we find out like Eva, if Eva were to come in and like sort of take last coach, that would actually be exactly the narrative. I have no doubt.
I have no doubt that Eva Longoria could do our jobs better than both of us combined. Anything.
Anything. Oh my god.
Eva, we love you. We love Eva.
The second I saw Eva on screen, I said, tell me everything. When she would run up and say, hey, Undesperate Housewives.
Carlos! Slay. The first season of Desperate Housewives.
Watch it again. Rex cries whenaculates oh my god can I say the only thing that doesn't work for me about the pilot of Desperate Housewives I did just watch it again recently is the Mary Alice stuff no I love the Mary Alice stuff I think all that stuff is amazing probably the most iconic image of it is the only thing for me that I'm like I don't know if I buy this completely which is Lynette getting in the pool to get her kids out of the pool in her heels.
Like it's an iconic shot. I do like the imaging of it, but something about, I was just like, I don't believe she's motivated to get all the way in that fucking pool.
But then again, it was a kooky show. The twins were being nightmares though.
And it was a funeral gathering. It was a party after the funeral.
Yep. Oh, that is a great pilot.

Because, like, I love.

There's that one act where it's just the four of them bringing in their dishes to the potluck.

Like, what it said about them.

And, oh, it's so genius.

That was a really fun show.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, so fun that Julio Torres still sends us Desperate Housewives memes and, like, Wisteriaia Lane content. Like this has lasting impact.
This has shaped a lot of our sensibilities, I would say. I'm trying to think like what was my favorite ever plot on Desperate Housewives.
By the way, it's so funny that we were talking about the film of the year Wicked. We went off for two seconds about the time jump in Desperate Housewives because it also had one.
And now here we are. This is why Lost Coach is breaking ground in podcasts because no one is this fucking dumb and gay.
No one. I'll fight.
I'll throw hands against anyone that thinks they're this dumb and gay. You're not talking about Gabby and Sweats.
Unless your name is Aaron Shock and you're stumping for Trump at his rallies as a gay man. It's so crazy.
Yeah. You're kidding.
Well, actually, I mean, sure. It's not like he found community.
No. It's not like he has anything to betray.
It's like he is a fucking piece of shit. I was going to give him guff for being closeted the way he was, but I don't want to make anybody feel bad for being in the closet.
I mean, listen, no one has to feel bad about being in the closet. Everyone's situation is different.
He was enacting harmful, noxious, explicitly anti-gay. While being in the closet.
So he should feel like absolute horsehit about that forever. And no, he doesn't have community in this arena.
Like, no. Oh my God.
Not us going from Desperate Housewives to Aaron's job. And that's why Lost Coach, we're going to be standing up there next to Esther Perel.
Saying, yes. Period.
I hit it off with this woman. And we both are holding trophies.
Where should we begin? The R iconography, of course. That's it.
Honestly, watch when the pot last culture is this podcast becomes with Eva Longoria and Esther Perel. Oh my God.
Honestly, Esther is the you and Eva is the me and it works. It works.
Totally works. Because they could talk about Aaron shock and desperate housewives in the same breath.
And I'm sure. Absolutely.
I'm sure. It works.
It totally works. Of course it does.
Because they could talk about Aaron Shock and Desperate Housewives in the same breath. And I'm sure Wicked.
Absolutely. I'm sure Wicked.
Well, Wicked is Universal Studios. And thank them.
We love them. Universal Studios.
By the way, Epic Universe, it's coming, bitch. May? What's the date? May 22nd.
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Look at that number.

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It feels like one of those nights.

22.

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I saw a bunch of concerts recently. Yes, let's go.
Tell us. I don't think we've been on since I saw the sweat tour, which you were supposed to come to.
And that was devastating because it was the week you guys were starting up, right? Yes. Yes.
You had to get your JD Vance together. No, no, it was not JD Vance.
It was just the MSG show for sweat was on a Monday. It was the first day back at work.
So you got to, you have to situate. And that was a packed day.
Like we had Will and Harper on the pod in the morning. And then I had to go into the office and like it's just a it's just a lot coming out you're catching up with people you're strategizing for the next four shows and it was it was an intense run of four shows and then i just got overwhelmed and worked up and i was like you know what let me give my ticket to someone else and i don't have regrets although i do i mean my regret is that i did not see the sweat tour yeah that's the thing is it's like i like, I wish you had seen it cause it was unbelievable.
But I said, I said to you the next day, there was no way you would have been okay the rest of the week because it was a party party. And then we actually, we, it was so fun that we went out afterwards and went hard and I ended up like at someone else's apartment.
You know what I mean? Like doing the walk of shame. Sweat tour got me to do the walk of shame.
I'm 34. You know what I mean? It doesn't happen as much as it used to.
Kind of more chic though, the older you get. At Barracuda.
Like hooking up with a guy at Barracuda, going home with a guy from Barracuda like I'm 26. I love it.
I'm back. Yeah.
We're so back. Anyway, the sweat tour.
First of all, just Charlie, you are an icon in the building. Forever.
The fact, Bo, this actually is one of the proudest moments of me for the whole year of our podcast. The fact that we had her on before Brat Summer and we were talking to her about that song, Girl So Confusing.
And we were going back and forth with her about who it was about. And she went into detail for the first time about how it really feels sometimes between the pop girls.
And to then a couple weeks later, have Girl So Confusing come out to then being there at MSG when Lord came out. That felt very much like a full circle moment.
And I was like like, this is why and hear me right now. It is not that hard.
Brat is the album of the year. Period.
Brat is the Grammy winner for album of the year. And we need to, publicists, you need to get on this.
Because that show solidified her as a true icon. Like she already was, but like, I mean, in the real sense of the word, like this girl is a superstar.
And let me just say, Troy fucking eight. We love it up.
Just so proud to see his gay self being this Madison square garden level shred. Like the choreo was together.
Their music in conversation with each other was so great. Cause you were up with Charlie and then like vibing with Troy in a way that was like a perfect ride.
When they came out together, they were electric. They were so happy.
Fucking Addison Ray came out and saying diet Pepsi.i and we went completely insane like look just crazy stuff great visuals 10 10 of course and they just wrapped it up too so congratulations to both of them and everyone involved in a sweat tour you ate the thing that has been true about charlie all along since like number one angel especially is that like it's always been about the people she brings into it that's why like her talking

about girls are confusing and being like it's weird like it's weird with the pop girls sometimes

it's tense like there's subtextual things and like signals and all these things but charlie

has never had an issue bringing in the girls like she had like ray on number one angels like years

before she blew up she had like like she had kim petrus on the track she had like she's always

Thank you. bringing in the girls like she had like Ray on number one angels like years before she blew up she had like like she had Kim Petras on the track she had like she's always she's always clap and then really well and it culminates to the remix album for Brat where it's like oh my god these are such incredible reinventions of these already I'm iconic songs like I was I don't know why I like didn't pay attention to the so i remix with ag cook love but a totally like new flip side take on the original so i which is like sad and pondering and mournful and it grieves sophie but like this one is just like like she literally says like i want to think about the good stuff and it's all these wonderful beautiful memories that she has with sophie that are like celebratory and you could like fucking dance to it in the club.
And I'm like, this album is so special. Like it is a generation era defining album of this very strange time that we're in.
But like, thank God for this, because this was the thing that like buoyed us. I think spiritually, like, you know, even with like all of the corners and sectors that it's hit in the culture, it's very easy for people to roll their eyes and be like, oh my God, like rats everywhere.
Like when was, like this just keeps going and going and going. But like it keeps going because it is successfully like sustaining this zeitgeist that it's in.
Yeah, and it's continually interesting and developing. That's another element of it is it's like, it feels like there's always something more to unfold.
You know what I mean? Yes, absolutely. I will say, I think that's another element of it is it's like it feels like there's always something more to unfold you know what I mean like she I will say I think that sympathy is a knife featuring Ariana is the highlight for me and I think the way that it goes into the new I might say something stupid with the 1975 which is again a total departure like it's just it's, this doesn't just happen.
It impacted fashion, politics, the conversation at large, of course, music. Now you see her breaking into film.
It's beyond just this album. It's a Charlie thing too.
And I think that you have to, it's just, you can't actually talk about. And that's crazy too, because in a year when so many people put out incredible work, you can't talk about any album on this level.
Like you can talk about Chapel Rhone and Sabrina Carpenter as artists, 100,000%. And I think give song of the year to birds of a feather, give record of the year to espresso, obviously.
And best new artist is Chapel Rhone. Then we can really represent what happened this year, but Brat was the album of the year.
And there's more to come from Charlie. I can say that.
What? Can you say that? I can. You detonate bombs in the culture.
You detonate bombs. She is, um, she's appearing, is what'm gonna say Bowen are you allowed to do this yes all you said was she's appearing you didn't say where I didn't say where unbelievable and talk about collabs Charlie and Troy doing moment.
I just, I will never forget it. I saw the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour at Madison Square Garden.
Oh my God. Billy, she's it.
She's it. She is it.
A true original. I mean, all of the girls, like everyone's original, but like she is, she's form-breaking.
she should be up there on stage with you and astaire perel i would love nothing more than to share a stage one day with astaire and billy eilish i don't know what we'll do but i would love to collaborate with these ladies i would love to collaborate with these ladies i think you guys should do a cooking demo on a talk show i think that would go so so well, Beau. That's the stage you belong.
I think that would be really good. What I want to say about Billie's show is a couple things.
You don't realize how dexterous and emotionally intelligent her voice is. It's the only way I can describe it.
That's beautiful. That's a great way.
She is such a storyteller, and the music is so intimate, and the sounds are also so big that for her to translate is, I mean, it's exceptional. And that audience was going completely insane for her.
The choice, I'll say, the layout of the stage so that she can pretty much always be two things. A, close to her fans, and B, able to fucking run around because there is something.
She loves to run. Yes.
There is something that is inherently youthful about her energy and the fact that she can just be standing there singing and then in the next breath running. And it feels like it makes sense to her.
Why? Yeah. Like giving her a stage where she can do that is genius.
And it's her genius. Yeah.
And, um, her music is absolutely unbelievable in that environment. And whether it's a song that's small or big because of what it's meaning to the people there.
It's incredible to hear you say this about an artist who i think her trademark has been incredibly i'll say like internal music you know what i mean it's like the reason why she is incredibly original that she's kind of like reinvented a lot of vocal styles in the last several years is because it's like it's incredibly inverted it's like it's not like outwardly projected vocals necessarily you know like even when she quote-unquote belt it's like incredibly controlled and even when she like wrote like what was i made for she was like oh like this demands something completely different from like's incredibly aware of how she uses her instrument.

And for it to be so successful and so realized in a stadium like that is so cool.

It feels crazy to say it about someone this young,

but she is a living legend in that she will go on to do so many things because I just, you know when they were doing the rollout for Hit Me Hard and Soft,

Thank you. is a living legend in that she will go on to do so many things because I just,

you know,

when they were doing the rollout for hit me hard and soft,

Matt Whitaker was pointing this out actually.

And I think it was purposeful on her team's part because you saw her on Colbert talking about how she loved like Ella Fitzgerald.

You know what I mean?

You saw her doing more adult engaging with the audience in more adult ways. Almost just to say, like, there's a lot up my sleeve musically, artistically.
I think we're going to see many different Billie Eilish's over the next 40 years. I'm making a lazy comparison here and just saying, like, not the pedigree, but just sort of, like, the background and, like, the literacy on music that she has she has is very like gaga to me.
Yes. You know what I mean? And I will also say like, I have to, because it's my impulse, I have to.
What do you think of disease? I think it's a grower. I really love it.
Yeah. I want to hear the whole project around it.
Me too. Me too.
And I think this is all the reason she has not given us the video, the visuals yet is very intentional. I think it will communicate more about the scope of LG seven.
And I'm going to save something for my, I don't think so honey. And it's not about her or the music, obviously it's about the discourse.
My, I don't think so honey is also about the discourse. Interesting.
About Gaga. One of her daughters.
Oh, interesting. Wait, also, quickly, Addison Rae, just to quickly mention, Aquamarine, stunning.
Love. Love the video.
Have you seen the video? Yes. I love.
It's kind of giving Britney a little bit. A little, like, Blackout era Britney.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean.
Like, that's sort of like that era of Britney sings Gimme More in the song. She literally sings the words Gimme More.
I love a dirty Parisian music video. She's always giving a little Britney.
Yeah, Becca says she's always giving a little Britney. We need to talk about producer Becca's costume.
Yes. The last thing I'll say is I saw Taylor's show in Miami.
Rain show. show, iconic, epic rain show during reputation.
When she was doing the, the transition from look what you mean to do into look what you made me do. Like, like she was really Taylor capital T a Y L a in that moment in the rain, letting the water whip.
She was having fun. And it was, it was a really fun show to be at I will say this could be an I don't think so honey hard rock stadium in Miami you need to figure out how to get your guests in and out events like that better or worse than MetLife if you can imagine this it was was much worse.
No, I can't imagine.

Because it wasn't being in gridlock.

It was needing to travel miles before you could be picked up by an Uber with no transportation to get you there.

So we had to walk for like miles.

And then when you finally get to the Uber pickup, it was gridlock.

It was crazy.

I hate that.

Infrastructure-wise, Florida, I'm thinking of you i really am we hope everyone's doing okay oof and that felt like a hard left but like literally though like i'm just like i don't get what happens when what if there was an emergency yeah i'm saying it was like i was like this is not built correctly or Or like, something's wrong. But anyway, those were my concerts.
If you pivoted to architecture, I would say slay. See, and here's the thing.
I have no idea how to fix whatever problem it is they think they have. But the people who work there and get paid for that, no.
And they're not doing anything about it. I don't know.
I don't know. If you were at those hard rock shows or you know someone that was you know what i'm talking about like it was like news it was so bad it was news um also oh gracie abrams opened up for taylor and eras crushed and can i say the most beautiful person in the world it's crazy like uh, I think it was Anne Hathaway recently was asked, like, who should be on the cover of Vogue? And she said, Gracie Abrams.
I said, yup. Went down.
Went down. That is a face for the cover of Vogue.
Hair, body, face for you, in the words of Ali. All T.
Really all T, Bo. Hair, T, body, T, face, T.
Voice, T. Songs, T.
Lyrics, lyrics tea can I say something stupid I might say something stupid dental tea she's got a chic set of teeth that's all I'm gonna say I mean it's like if they could tell me you can take the substance and look like Gracie I'd be like it's worth it to turn into Monstro Elisa Sue for the days I could look like Gracie Abrams. Oh, if I could write I love you, I'm sorry, I would take the substance and become Monstro Elisa Sue.
I listen to it five times a day. If you told me that if I listen to it again, I'd become Monstro Elisa Sue, I would have to listen to it again.
I'd be like, I love you, I'm sorry. Thank God there's a new album about being obsessed with someone before you even fucking meet them.
That's what I need. Wait, that it worked out? Crazy.
Girl, it worked out. It sure did.
Good for both of them, I say. Paul's been looking really good in the lead up to...
He was wearing this cardigan the other night on a British late night show and isn't it something every time he like dresses a certain way it becomes a story thing so many people doing that Halloween costume of him like standing outside with the groceries after he was at the gym in the little hat he is a bag he has a bag of sweet green. So a lot of these gay guys out here taking paperbacks of sweet green.
Yeah. Everybody has been there.
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Wait, I have to tell you the culture that made me say culture was for me. Now I have to redefine my answer.
It's Emilia de Moldenberg. I have become obsessed with Chicken Shop Date and the Chicken Shop Date with her and Andrew Garfield.
What did the straight guys say? It's my Roman Empire.'s your Roman Empire It's my Roman Empire I love watching love and that's what it is That's what it is Can I say like Fleabag level just in terms of two people having chemistry and you're witnessing like something going on and you're like whoa, what is this? Well did you see someone compared it to Fleabag on TikTok? Oh, really? Yeah. Someone goes, it's like when he's telling her that he sees the strings being pulled in her mind, he knows her approach.
And she says, stop. I knew you would do this.
I knew you would do this. And he's like, what? That someone sees you and calls it out? Someone on TikTok was like, this is like the moment in Fleabag when he calls her out for talking to the audience.
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And saying it out loud. Like it's truly, it's lessons in chemistry with Brie Larson.

Amelia, we love you.

Amelia, reader.

Can I say something?

I immediately got in the DMs.

I was like, hi, I'm a massive fan.

And me already talking,

I'm a massive fan.

Massive.

We connected.

And Amelia, you know you have a seat here.

Open invite anytime you want to come on. She's a great vibe.
She came to an SNL a few shows ago. Really? And we got to hang after the after party.
She is so, so fucking cool. I also want to say about her unreal fashion sense.
Like gorgeous. She looks good every time like 10.
Like you see her at any event she's dressed perfect. Hair, body, face, T, for sure.
I mean, the hair is always perfect. The makeup, the face, I mean, her nose, her eyes, just that perfect face.
I love Amelia. Sorry.
Oh my God. To say nothing of like how fucking hot he is and that being an element of the fact that like that date, the chicken shop date between them, you're just watching two adorable people be adorable.
It's like watching puppies. It's like serotonin.
You know what I mean? They should bring that video into places where people need some joy. Bring it into the retirement home.
Bring it into the rehabilitation center where Finchie checked in. My make a wish one day, I just want Amelia and Andrew to talk to each other in front of me.
Just like come to where I am and let me curl up in a ball and I just want to watch them talk. Please, guys.
Please. You might have to pull a Finchie and lie about something.
would pull a Finchie oh god what if Bowen the twist of this podcast was everyone realized that like one of us was lying or like you like yeah like you're not gay which I've been saying about you for a long time. As a theory.
I've written about this. This is not that uncommon.
Don't you know, friends, there is a gay urban legend in our generation now where it's like, oh my god, there's this one guy who was married to this doctor. And then the doctor would get up and go to work.
And then like

after years of being married,

the person finds out that

they never were a doctor. They would

just drive and go to a parking lot

and sit there for eight hours and then drive

back home. Like the shit,

the personality disorders are

out there. And they always will be.

So what you're saying is there's a chance.

So what you're saying is there's a chance.

Like we could still get that

Thank you. are out there and they always, so what you're saying is there's a chance.
So what you're saying is there's a chance.

Like we could still get that from this podcast.

Yeah.

Well,

there's Finchies everywhere and you never know when the Finchy bomb is going to blow up.

The Finchy bomb.

Like,

honestly,

you know,

what's crazy though.

It's like,

am I going to go here?

Yeah,

sure.

Why not?

Like sometimes like you get to know people in the industry where sometimes people are just that weird you know what i mean like sometimes you're like you could you could have been in the gray's anatomy writer's room and like she's like an idiosyncratic like weird person but like a lot of people are you know what i mean like everyone is co-workers that you that person. What the fuck? Like, wigs me out a little bit.
You just never think they're going to be... Pathological.
A harbinger of doom. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Total harbinger of doom.
Did I use that correctly? Yeah, absolutely. I just...
Yay! Yay! Talk about producer Becca's costume. Oh my God.
Which will actually dovetail nicely into my I don't think so, honey. Okay.
Producer Becca's costume was one of the best ones I saw on all of the internet, which we all get on to see people's costumes. So this was a place where you could see them all, and Becca stood out.
She was Gov Ball Chapel Rhone. Statue of Liberty in the green.
Statue of Liberty in the green with the blunt, everything. And it was production value.
It was accuracy. It was energy match.
Becca, get on. Get on.
You have to give a speech and give remarks. Oh my God.
How did you feel in the costume? When did you decide to do it? How did it come together? And more. So about a week

from... oh my god how did you feel in the costume when did you decide to do it how did it come together and more so about a week or so ago i decided to do it because i had been halloween's my favorite holidays i just love to glam dress up yes and my boyfriend and i were trying to decide what we were gonna do with our dogs and we decided to make one of them midwest princess chapel and then what was that album so then i was like okay love ball chapel and my boyfriend was boiler room charlie oh my god love it chicha went viral obviously she was brat oh my chicha is brad i've never felt more like a celebrity handler in my life like people were just stopping us taking pics of chicha because you looked like her.
Well, that was for earlier. We did the Fort Greene dog pumpkin contest.
Oh, so fun. I need to go to one of those.
And Chicha was the winner. A literal brat album.
Oh, my God. And so, she's crowd favorite.
She didn't win. That doesn't matter.
Who won? Who the fuck won? Baby Bell Cheese. Okay, that's good.
That's pretty good. Yeah, it was really cute, actually,

because there was a whole reveal.

They, like, took off the wrapping.

That's cute.

I'm pretty good with Baby Bell Cheese winning the award.

Yeah, that sounds right.

But it was definitely crowd-favorite vibes

because we couldn't get out of there.

Like, people were like...

You were mobbed.

We ended up on New York Nico.

Oh, that's the win, New York Nico.

That was the win. But, oh, my boyfriend brought it over.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH was at Abercadabra. If you know, you know in New York.
Yes, of course. I bought the same little Statue of Liberty fire thing.
And of course, but then I like hunted all over. Yes.
But then I hunted around Times Square after a recording in the city and was like, okay, I bought like the classic New York crown. And then I was like zooming in on Chapel's charms.
I was like, oh, she literally just like bought a bunch of New York charms and put them on a necklace. So I did.
I bought the exact ones, put them, built them, put them on the necklace. And then I watched probably a billion YouTube videos on how to do drag makeup.
I mean, I do makeup really well. You did that yourself? I did.
Incredible. But on brown skin, you know, you're like, okay.
It's a lot of layering. Yeah, and you also have to think color theory.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, green isn't going to look green on me the same way it looks on chapel.
So I'm mixing the whites, the blues, the greens. I get it there.
I do it. And my friend has this yearly costume contest Halloween party.
She's like a curator, like event planner. And so it's always gorgeous.
Always fun. Yeah.
So I was like, I'm coming to win. Yes.
I'm coming to win. I won.
It was perfect. Wow.
You did what Chicha could never do. That's true.
And tell your daughter that. Her mother.
Yeah. Yes.
But it was so much fun. I wish I had more places to be to be out longer with the makeup on because it did take me like four hours to do.
Right. But in the outfit, I really wanted to nail the outfit, but I was like, I don't have time.
I don't have time to make it. I spent too much time making the dog costume.
I felt it was there. I felt it was there.
Absolutely. I was like, if I get the makeup right,

people aren't going to give a fuck that I don't have that skirt.

You know?

That's doing all the work.

It was costing a lot.

At this point, I was like adding it up.

And I was like, I can't buy fabric for this.

Are you comfortable saying your handle?

Yes.

It's Bex, P-E-C-C-S, Ramos, R-A-M-O-S.

Follow producer Becca to see her Chapel Road costume and

more. And more.
And Cheetah's

brat costume. And Cheetah's brat costume.

New York Nico featured brat

costume. Becca has

already cast aside her

prior sort of

calling card, which was

saying the dings and the dongs of the iconic

400. It was only a matter

of time before you transcended that.

And look, it's costume winning Becca Ramos.

Everyone's winning awards.

Everyone's winning awards here.

Everyone's really winning awards.

This bodes really well for the future too.

Because once you start winning,

sometimes you just don't stop.

We haven't stopped as the show has proved.

That's right.

That's right.

Thanks, Becca. We love you.
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All episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu. All right, well, I think it's time for I Don't Think So Honey.
I Don't Think So Honey is a segment that we do on this podcast where it's one minute ranting and railing and rocking and rolling against something in culture that's been grinding our gears. And I've got something to say about the discourse.
I don't have anything really prepared. I just have emotions.
Okay. Sometimes that's more than enough.
Yeah. I think it will be.
Yeah. This is Matt Rogers' emotion forward.
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. If you have anything negative to say about Chappell going up to that paparazzi and saying that he was disrespectful to her.
She walked up to him. She said, you were disrespectful to me.
She said, you owe me an apology. And he, I guess, didn't give her one.
She went back to her spot and posed. If you think she was a brat just fuck off she's allowed to do whatever she wants also it's iconic that she did that iconic don't you want your pop stars to be a little messy don't you want them to be confrontational don't you want them to be dynamic and compelling the way that Chapel Roan is why are you shouting at Chapel Roan to be like everyone else? I don't think so, honey.
Shut up. Stop micromanaging Chapel.
You don't own Chapel. Chapel is a participant in democracy, bitch.
She is out here saying her opinion, giving everything of what she can in her industry and feeding the economy, bitch. Leave Chapel alone.
And that guy does owe her an apology. I don't think so, honey.
Fucking shut up about Chapel Rohn. That's one minute.
Imagine a world in which you had the self-respect that this person does and if you were confronted with, if you saw someone who you felt wronged you deeply, what would it feel like to have that courage to walk up to them and be like, hey, I really didn't like when this thing happened. You owe me an apology.
That would be incredible. Think of all the other possibilities that would open up in your life.
People can't stand that she sticks up for herself and won't apologize for it. People can't stand it.
And I get that not everyone likes her. Guess what? That's good.
Maybe we shouldn't be just like given a whole but a smorgasbord of like vanilla annoying whatever's that like all robotically say the same shit. Like I'm happy that there's someone super compelling and outspoken and talented as fuck out there.
Like stop thinking of her as an influencer. Start thinking of her as a human being.
Like, stop thinking about her as something that's just to be, like, you know, directed from. She's someone to be listened to, but you don't, it's not like she's, like, wields ultimate power.
Leave her alone. It's that, and also, she is not customer service.
No, she's not customer service. And, I don't know, I felt like we were kind of just coming out of this era of, like, everybody policing each other's morals.
It's like... Oh, it's worse than ever.
It never works. Never.
If you chastise someone like that, in that way, on that scale, it never, ever, ever yields the outcome that you would want in that sort of scenario. Like, leave her the fuck alone.
I just hate watching all this energy go towards that when we have such a crazy fucking villain out there in the world right now. And I get that the reason people are upset with her is because they feel like it's some deterrent towards like, you know, stopping Trump.
Civic disengagement or something. Exactly.
And my thing is just like, if we can't have both, then all we're going to have are directives from someone that tell us what to do and when to do it. And that's also really bad.
And you're not going to like that. I just hate watching us fall apart like this because we're not seeing like the forest for the trees a little bit.
Like all

of this can be true. Like she can

be an imperfect, incredibly talented

artist who

yeah, sure has influence, but

is not like, didn't ask for

that. You're the one demanding

authenticity of her. She gives you

that and then you're upset and make it about a million

other things. Meanwhile, it's like, know it's it's it's really frustrating to watch us just fall apart online because there's it's we really we really are looking right in the face of dictatorship we're looking at right in its face this is not perfect what i'm saying but like no no no i just i don'tistically frustrating.
I don't quite know what to say either, unfortunately. I hope everyone votes.
I hope everyone does the right thing. Period.
Yeah. Yeah, that's all.
That's all. Bo and Yang.
Do you have Adam Bixwell, honey? I have one that's much less urgent, but it's grinding my gears a little bit I mean it didn't need to be urgent it's just like I just I feel like the the energy like projected at her for this red carpet thing is like about other things yeah just okay so you don't like her like then then just then don't listen to her music whatever she's not like she's not begging to be famous clearly everybody just get off the internet a little bit more you know what i mean 100 do you see do you see for some reason this this kind of went around like it was an interview with stevie nix or something where like um she talks about how at some award show like katie perry like showed her what twitter was and how like stan twitter was kind of works yeah wild and how it works and um stevie was, I don't have the internet on my phone. And then Katie knows, well, like...
Who are your rivals? Who are your rivals? And then Stevie goes, I don't have rivals. I have friends.
Katy Perry took another one. I mean, at this point, it's like, it works retroactively too.
You're like, this woman, did she ever get it? I don't know't know I think she did for a moment it's certainly in question now in a way that it never was but like it was just wow to watch Katie get another wall up from Stevie Nicks the years coming to an end and she got wall up like Stevie Nicks like Halloween October surprise oh bitch Why are you showing Stevie Nicks Twitter?

Don't do that.

Don't ask Stevie Nicks, who are your rivals?

Shut up.

You know who her rivals were?

Lindsay Buckingham.

Oh, sure.

She defeated her rivals.

Can I say, I'm going to tell this story.

Go ahead.

So I show up to Thursday.

I was given the honor of being in the promos with Ari and Stevie. I show up on Thursday and I have to walk over to the wardrobe department as Stevie is getting off stage from her sound check and I kind of like her coterie was kind of like working the way through and then I like peeled I like kind of hid behind a doorway to like make way for her and then I hear a voice where she goes you don't have to hide from me Bowen and I was like oh my god and then she like comes up to me and she has these insanely surreal things to say to me but then the thing that stuck out to me was just because you're asking who her enemies are who her rivals are she goes when you did that thing with those spotted lanternflies, I thought that was the funniest thing

because I hate them.

And then she talks about how her life

is just stomping out those lanternflies.

They are very vicious.

Vicious, and they're jumping.

And their reflexes are getting better, unfortunately.

See, this is not what we need.

Stevie Nicks' rivals are cocaine,

Lindsay Buckingham, and lanternflies. Yep yep is that a rule of culture yes which number 74 stevie nix's rivals are cocaine lindsey buckingham and lantern flies okay i have an i don't think so honey this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey and if you believe it his time starts now i don't think so honey lady gaga's return to pop quote unquote this is chromatica erasure what does that

make chromatica chromatica is i can't one of the best pop albums of the last decade i don't

understand i don't think it's necessarily gaga's camp i think gaga in interviews has mentioned

like this return to pop music but it's like she wasn't away from it that long maybe harlequin

And I don't understand. I don't think it's necessarily Gaga's camp.
I think Gaga in interviews has mentioned like this return to pop music, but it's like she wasn't away from it that long. Maybe Harlequin counts as like a detour, but we're even talking about it to 6.5.
It's like we need to make sure that we consider Gaga a pop artist and that she is one of our best chameleons, but let's not erase Chromatica. Chromatica is top to bottom, spectacular.
I'm getting really emotional because that is a very important album to us, especially going through the pandemic. I don't like this thing of like, oh, this is a return to form to Born This Way.
Born This Way is an amazing album. Art Pop is an amazing album.
Joanne is an amazing album. And Chromatica is a more recent amazing pop album.
Don't erase Chromatica. And that's one minute.
I have been confused as well. I'm like, Chromatica was...
Pure pop. We just saw the Chromatica Ball Tour.
Like, we just saw it. What do you mean she's returning to pop? Like, we just saw her in a stadium.
We just saw her in a stadium.

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Please keep going. Gorgeous song.
Oh my God god It's called The Moon Represents My Heart Everyone listen to it The Moon Represents My Heart I felt that was true Watching you perform in that moment You put me on the spot That was vulnerable Sometimes vulnerability opens the door To true greatness And I think that what you just did is a great example of why Las Culturistas is an award-winning podcast and why we picked up the Signal Award for innovation in podcasts. And it's really why I'll be standing up on stage next to Esther Perel holding a trophy.
That'd be so funny if you and Esther did not share the same space at all. Or if she refuses to speak to me.
Oh my God. She's like, she looks at me.
I'm like, hi Esther. It's so nice to meet you.
What a great night. She looks at me and she goes, I don't like you at all.
I don't like you at all. Drops the accent.
Drops the Belgian French accent. I don't like you.
I don't like you at all. I see you out there doing your thing.
I don't like you at all. I'm ashamed to be sharing this award with you.
You know what? I think she would have a lot. I think if you guys really had a moment and got into it, I would listen to the fuck out of her talking about specific people with you.
That's all. Specific people? A specific person.
A specific person. Sure.
Anyway. The jump scares keep a coming.
They really do. It was spooky Halloween town vibes when we were traveling recently.
That's all we'll say. Halloween town.
Oh my god, you know what? I almost did my I don't think so, honey on, and I thought you would have appreciated this, but ultimately I didn't think I could speak to it enough for a minute. It's just something I don't like.
The Halloween font. And you know what I'm talking about.
That spooky, scary, drippy font. Like that Munsters-y font.
You know what I'm saying? Like the Goosebumps logo. Yes.
The Halloween font. Any Halloween font.
I love the Halloween font. What? It's so fun.
It's different. You used to be so chic.
Girl. You have lost it all.
I don't know what happened to you. You used to be so fucking chic and such a legend.

You've fallen.

No longer.

Now you're a Halloween font lover.

I love Halloween.

I'm with Becca.

You know what?

Halloween always sticks up on me in so many ways,

but especially this year, especially I'm like,

oh, I love this time of year.

And you know what?

The only reason I haven't been able to get into Halloween as much in the last five years is because of work. And I am excited

for a day

soon in the near future

in the next few years. One short day.

When I can really stretch out

my legs and limbs in October

and all of fall, really. Because I love fall travel.

I love going to see the leaves change.

I'm excited to have time.

We just went to the most

insane haunted house we've ever been to. We can't say where, but...
It was crazy. Oh.
The production value. Woof.
That was legendary. Legendary legends.
Before we go and sing us out, please vote. Please vote.
Please vote. Please vote for Kamala.
Please vote for Kamala. In the words of voting rights activist Stacey Abrams, one side may disappoint, the other side intends to destroy.
And it's hard to make it a nuanced thing. It's hard to make voting in this election nuanced in the way that we would like it to be when it is a literal binary unfortunately i think that we have shown that we can have these conversations and that we will have these conversations and they'll go in all different kinds of ways but ultimately i just hope that we do everything that we can to protect each other.
Let's just protect each other here.

Let's just think about each other.

We end every episode with a song.

We end every episode with a song.

Birds of a feather, we can stick together.

Won't change the weather.

Won't change the weather.

Won't change the weather Won't change the weather Won't change the weather No I don't know What I'm crying for I don't No By the way, the walls In my apartment building are so thin I'm in trouble Sl on the wrist. Finally, a man touches me.

Bye.

Lost Cultures is a production by Will Ferrell's

Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcast.

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hansani.

Produced by Becca Ramos.

Edited and mixed by Doug Baim and Monique Laborde.

And our music is by

Henry Kaberski.

Hey everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers,

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