"Publicly Sick and Writing Brave Stories" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 2 Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is.

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Speaker 2 And now, Los Cults drums.

Speaker 2 Look, Matt.

Speaker 2 Oh, I see. My IOI.
Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Goodness. Wow.
Las Cultoristas.

Speaker 2 Ding dong. Las Cultoristas calling.
And they call every week without fail. Let's talk about that.
Did you know we're maybe the only podcast left that doesn't do seasons? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's going out the window, too. Who knows? Well, we're form breakers.
Yes. So the podcast has received critical acclaim.
Now they're giving us an award for breaking ground in podcasting, Bo.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh. Us and Esther Perel.
Estair Perel. I better learn how to say that before I meet her.
Oh, my God. You know what a fun Calloween costume would have been? What? Fred Astair Perel.

Speaker 2 That's really good, Bo. That would have been really fun.
Oh, my God. You and Astair Perel, I unfortunately cannot make this ceremony.
Yeah. The Signal Awards.
The Signal Awards.

Speaker 2 We're so honored, so thankful. You get to meet Astair Perel, which is going to be huge.
And I think you two will hit it off. I have a feeling we're going to connect.

Speaker 2 By the way, I know it's a stair perel. It just came out like Esther Perel, which sometimes is going to happen when you have a name like that.
Has anyone ever come up to you and gone like, Bowen?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've had people fully go Bowen, and I'm like, Bowen? Hello? Hello?

Speaker 2 And they know that these are people who know how my name is pronounced. And, you know, something goes off in the synapses and they fire a little bit incorrectly.
A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 Synapses fire incorrectly at times. It's actually rule of culture number six.
Synapse is fire incorrectly at times.

Speaker 2 Wait, do you know what's funny is if you really think about this, Bo. Yes.

Speaker 2 And notice I say Bo and not Boen, because the point I'm going to make is about how we often will call each other a name that is not our God-given name. Right.
And I've never once said to you, bow.

Speaker 2 You can do bow.

Speaker 2 I've never made a bow, bow joke to you, like even though B-O-W is such an integral part of your first name i've never made like a bow wow wow joke to you ever yippee yo yippee yay i remember there was an era like early on in our friendship where i was calling you mimi yes bobo and me me we were title of me

Speaker 2 title of

Speaker 2 bobo and me me

Speaker 2 oh we can very mariah of you it didn't stand the test of time why don't you think I think it's making its grand return today. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. So right before we started, Bowen asked me if I was annoyed with him because we could have been tactile today, but Bowen wants us to have our own days.

Speaker 2 By the way, just for context, we're going to get tactile the next two days on the calendar. And we'll talk about why.
We'll talk about why. And we've been so tactile lately.

Speaker 2 And I want you to know, you said, are you annoyed with me? And I literally really thought about it. And I said, 7%,

Speaker 2 just because I wish you had told me

Speaker 2 that this was happening. That we could have been tactile.
But you have your ways. And 7% is nothing.
My ways? Not your ways. I just mean like...
No, I'm annoyed with you. 15%.

Speaker 2 No, not double digits. I just mean sometimes like, I know you want to have your own time.
And I respect it deeply. What is going on? Are you? I mean, maybe it's just the world and the news.

Speaker 2 I have been on my report card for sleep in my mind. Oh, my God.
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. Worse than usual.
Matt Rogers, I went out last night. It's Halloween.

Speaker 2 got home at like 4, went to bed at 4.30, woke up at 7.30, couldn't go back to sleep, went crazy. Finally, at 11.30, managed to like go back to sleep for like an hour and a half before recording this.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Something, I'm just like, anyway, this is what it's about.
Like, I just like took everything else off the calendar except for this. No, and can I tell you something? I'm 0%.

Speaker 2 And I want you to know that right now. I am 0%.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, that's not. 0%.

Speaker 2 That's not why I'm 0%.

Speaker 2 No, but as a result of hearing you say that you're not sleeping, which that so i just want you to know 0 percent queen i want you to have all the moments of rest do you think it's halloween looming i think it's halloween looming i think it's many things looming oh girl we don't have to really talk about it but i think we probably should if this is going to be lost culture races i think we need to talk about what's happening in culture which is unforch the election Unforch the election maybe that's title no no no it's Bobo and Mimi yeah because that's really what this podcast is all about and it's received critical acclaim and awards.

Speaker 2 It's received critical acclaim and awards. I have seen you earlier.
I got tactile with you earlier this week. And I really, I really appreciate you as a friend and a person.

Speaker 2 And an artist. I love you so dearly, Matt Rogers.
Oh my God. We need to start by talking about the one, the only Elizabeth Finchy Finch.

Speaker 2 I'm so happy that you said that because I fear I may have forgotten. And this is the really the only, this is the top news story of the week.
Unfortunately, Alex is on the list

Speaker 2 this is the number one news story of the week elizabeth r finch finchy to her friends finchy to her enemies unfortunately yeah finchy to her co-workers who put on a good front on this documentary by saying we were so concerned for finchy you know these other writers on grays fucking hated her ass so bowen watched the entirety of the documentary on peacock about elizabeth r finch gray's anatomy writer slash liar about cancer anatomy of lies Set the scene.

Speaker 2 Tell us what we can expect to see when we click play. So this is, I think, one of the first Vanity Fair Studios productions.
Shout out the U.S. Shout out.

Speaker 2 Welcome to the unscripted space. Let's go, baby.
Let's go. We love the magazine.
Welcome to television. Every time I read that magazine, I'm like, I just wish I could watch this.
Period.

Speaker 2 And now Vanity Fair is on television. You can watch it.
On Peacock, our sister. I can't, I'll get too emotional if I start talking about my sister.
I start talking about my sister, Peacock. Yeah.

Speaker 2 LCCA winners, Cult winners. Basically, I mean, there's just, it's such a sprawling, truly

Speaker 2 web of lies has never been so appropriate. You know, I always roll my eyes at that term.
Oh, web of lies, L-O-L. Who are these people? Spiders? No, this is her.
She spawns the web.

Speaker 2 Elizabeth, she spawns the web. She spins the yarn.
And she is

Speaker 2 someone who grew up in New Jersey, had aspirations of

Speaker 2 being in showbiz, went to college. I think apparently she went to college in Pittsburgh.
She's just like all of you, basically, is what we're saying.

Speaker 2 Well, let's just like get a little bit granular to start and then we'll go from there. So she allegedly went to college.
They don't really talk about it.

Speaker 2 They kind of glossed over this chapter in her life. She went to college in the Pittsburgh area where she was a frequenter of the Tree of Life synagogue.
Sure.

Speaker 2 And then she went on to the grad program at USC for screenwriting.

Speaker 2 And then she would proceed to work on shows such as True Blood and Vampire Diaries, where she made close friendships and very deep, traumatic.

Speaker 2 She had traumatic experiences on the set of Vampire Diaries at the hands of a director. This woman then went on to write for Grace Anatomy as she was

Speaker 2 hiding, quote unquote, a cancer diagnosis but was kind of hired for that reason because she kept getting pieces on I guess it was Vanity Fair or it was just other magazines where in publications and trades where she was writing about how she was battling cancer and how Friday Night Lights and people saying state was such a rallying cry for her.

Speaker 2 She was publicly sick and writing brave stories. Publicly sick and writing brave stories also might be title of app.
I think that's an excellent title. Publicly sick and writing brave stories.

Speaker 2 Basically, all of this is a huge lie. This is a huge grift, huge lie.

Speaker 2 And then the documentary kind of follows her as she checks into a institution in Arizona where she meets this woman named Jen, who is escaping an abusive husband who has kind of put her kids' custody at stake.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 Finchie kind of preys on this in her narcissistic tendency, preys on Jen and takes advantage of her and kind of mothers the children when she has an aversion to children, to everyone else.

Speaker 2 The layers on this are crazy. I need you to reveal the funniest detail of this entire thing to you.

Speaker 2 And the way that I prefaced it to you, I said, Matt, we have to watch this documentary series because there's one detail in this that is the most Matt Rogers-coded thing.

Speaker 2 I can, I couldn't even dream of saying. And now I say, do we reveal it here? I think we have to.

Speaker 2 We are going to spoil it.

Speaker 2 We're going to say, spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 she at one point claims to need a kidney transplant and she tells everyone that she's getting a kidney from her dear friend anna paquin

Speaker 2 she tells everyone i need i guess like word gets around because she tells maybe someone at work she's getting a kidney transplant and it's from anna paquin their dear friends from their time together at true blood this woman this celebrated actress oscar winning oscar

Speaker 2 was euphoric, Oscar winning

Speaker 2 the piano, Suki Stackhouse herself allowing a kidney transplant. And mind you, this obviously did not happen, and who knows if they are even friends.

Speaker 2 But the thing is, like, it was one of those moments when it came, when it happened on screen after you had said, I could never have even guessed that that would have been what it was, but you are correct.

Speaker 2 It was a euphoric, Adele Dazim-esque moment.

Speaker 2 It was Adele Dazim.

Speaker 2 It was Adele. That was the euphoria I felt in my chest.
I felt a pop of joy when I realized she had told everyone that she was getting a kidney from her dear friend, Anna Paquin. That

Speaker 2 really,

Speaker 2 honestly, we needed that. We needed that win and we got that win.
This is Adele Dazim level. Adele Dazim famously the number one.

Speaker 2 There might have to be a new list.

Speaker 2 There might have to be a new list. Interesting.
500. We're getting close.
We are getting ever closer. And maybe it's the top 500 greatest moments in culture again.

Speaker 2 And are we setting up a cycle that 600 will be the 600 greatest songs of the Great Global Songbook again?

Speaker 2 Or I don't know. See, the thing is, like, as we rack up even more episodes of this critically acclaimed podcast, which has never been

Speaker 2 bigger in its life. I have to tell you, this Lost Cult is wow.
It's everywhere. If you are, if you are on Reels, you're watching Lost Culture.
Oh, honey.

Speaker 2 You're watching the backwash of TikTok and

Speaker 2 you're watching Lost Cult Reels, period.

Speaker 2 I mean, we were so, so, so fastidious on Mariah's behalf about getting the lighting right for our lecture. Let's talk about it.
Should we unpack? Of course, absolutely. But are we done with?

Speaker 2 what was even the name of the fintree documentary anatomy of lies anatomy of lies anatomy of lies anatomy of lies yes because honestly it is huge culture and the fact that you had already watched the entire thing and you go to me no we're watching it again i want to i swear i want to do i needed to watch you and sudie watch it again honestly Was there anything crazy?

Speaker 2 That might have been the moment that defines it all for me. That's what's also that like that a person could be this twisted.
And like, it's a true exploration.

Speaker 2 It's honestly deeply sad by the end because of how

Speaker 2 like this woman, Jen, who gets absolutely her life rocked, not just by Finchie, but by life itself. Like she cannot get a win, this woman.
And she is doing a talking head.

Speaker 2 Like she's talking about what happened and she is reliving it in the most visceral way.

Speaker 2 I have ever seen like a documentary, at least in these pop culture documentaries, interview subject, embody what it means to have been in that same painting. Yes.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It's like very on the surface. Yes.
Yeah. The documentary ends on a very beautiful note as it focuses on what a wonderful mother she is to her five children who all seem so happy.

Speaker 2 And they're back with mom. So wonderful.
The other detail that I do want to talk about that I love is the each episode ends on some text cards. And

Speaker 2 the detail that I love is that. Yes, this is so good.
I love this too. This was a scream at the end of every episode.

Speaker 2 So Finchie kind of without this other writer's permission took their personal story about being conceived from rape and

Speaker 2 used it as a beast, as a bee story. Yeah.
On the big Gray's post-Me Too episode that she kind of took ownership of. She was very publicly writing that as well.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 She was like, I have written the episode of Me Too, Gray's Anatomy. Here it is.
She also was.

Speaker 2 So the probably funniest part about it is that the character that she ended up really gravitating towards was Joe, played by actress Camilla Luddington. Yes.

Speaker 2 And the title card on each episode ends with Elizabeth Finch claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired her to write Silent After All These Years. Silent Archives.

Speaker 2 Not a stolen story, but the Kavanaugh hearings. The Kavanaugh hearings.
And then line break, paragraph break.

Speaker 2 The actress Camilla Luddington claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired, which actors have ideas all the time, and we love that. And speaking as actors, we celebrate the ideas of actors.

Speaker 2 And that's actually roller coacher number one. We celebrate the ideas of actors,

Speaker 2 especially Camilla Luddington's. Camilla Luddington, but Camilla Luddington had the idea from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings as well to have her character Joe be a child conceived of rape as well.

Speaker 2 They're putting together this documentary, and it's like, is it this woman's real story or the stolen story of Finchie? Just as a third drop, camilla steps forward and says no i came up with it

Speaker 2 i came up with it i i stole this woman's story it's it's so funny and not funny me who wanted to do this like this is it is a tapestry of personality disorders across multiple people I love it.

Speaker 2 And I embrace and welcome all of them into my home. I would welcome Elizabeth Finch into my home.
I literally, I would welcome her into my home.

Speaker 2 Seriously. And I would say, let's sit down, let's talk.
No, this is what happened now. You would say, Finchie, come into my home.
I welcome you. And then here's what she would say.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Respectfully, hell fecking no. Hell fecking no.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 See, this is the other element of it is you would hear this woman's credits and you would think, or you know that she went to USC, like all those things.

Speaker 2 You would think she was quite good.

Speaker 2 Oh, all the clips that they show are the most insane, batshit, crazy dialogue you've ever heard.

Speaker 2 Like, it's just, and then you're watching the show, and not this, but a little bit like, God, was this the quality of Gray's, even when we were watching it at this time?

Speaker 2 I actually had stopped watching it by that time. I had stopped watching it at that time, too.
But you know what? I can't blame the people within Gray's who like really championed her.

Speaker 2 Like, unfortunately, they were like,

Speaker 2 they were born by a master manipulator. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 It's crazy at the time to look back and be like, wow, like we had to take this seriously because this woman was really, really, really saying that

Speaker 2 she was going through it. And like, why wouldn't you let her testify to that? Like, and it's also wild to me that she does walk free.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, there's no illegal element, I guess, to any of this. She's just allowed to go on a spree of

Speaker 2 baseline, hectic, like, at its worst, like really harmful and damaging lies. Like, it's crazy.
She's walking free. I think like there is no world in which anyone gives her any credibility.

Speaker 2 Well, certainly no. Anyway, everyone, we lightly spoiled Anatomy of Lies.
It's really well made. Congratulations once again to Vanity Fair Studios.

Speaker 2 And Peacock, honestly, who really, it's almost like I had been missing like the third graders writing for my scripted series because none of my, none of my shows are on.

Speaker 2 So I felt like I got a third grader documentary and the fact that like the content of what was happening, I can only describe as and just like that-esque.

Speaker 2 Maybe Finchie is going to collab with the third graders soon. What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 See, this is where I think, Bo, we encounter the really dark and harmful thing about all this, which is have we made Finchie a legit icon?

Speaker 2 And do we want to see another film from her, another episode of television? I kind of, I would welcome Finchie's creativity at this point. Wow, she's really in my home.
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's worked on me. The narcissism never.
She's in the guest room.

Speaker 2 She's co-parenting her children narcissists love to see me coming they love to see me coming

Speaker 2 that's so true of both of us oh my god the narcissist love us or we love the narcissist i'm i call them narcissists taylor swift af no trusted narcissists but they love me

Speaker 2 i want to talk about recent concert going experiences too Okay, should we put a pin in that? Go to Mariah first, or do you want to talk about concert experiences?

Speaker 2 So I guess the first thing I would say about the Mariah episode was that, wow, it fucking happened. Honestly, yes, regarding the lighting, we were on it.
And I have to say, she was barely late,

Speaker 2 but you know what I mean? Like, showed up ready to go serene. That is the quality I would describe.
I mean, and then so kind, so open to us.

Speaker 2 Obviously, like listening back to that, I keep a little bit of me is like, Matt, relax, relax, relax. But I think that she dealt with all the energy well.
And And I think we did pretty well.

Speaker 2 I think we did wonderfully. You especially, that is another gorgeous moment where I get to like witness you talk to your fucking hero.
I was, I can't believe it, Matt. You did so well.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 And I want everyone to hear me say this on this podcast right now because I said it out loud to BY, who I used to call Bobo. And he would call me Mimi.

Speaker 2 I said to him, it is important to me now that we get two people on this podcast. And I'm speaking it out into existence now.

Speaker 2 Lady Gaga, it's time for you to come on this podcast. And this is the white whale, Bo.
This is the next white whale.

Speaker 2 Celine Dion on Lost Cult.

Speaker 2 Celine Dion.

Speaker 2 I'm going to cry. Celine Dion on Lost Cult.

Speaker 2 I need you to experience what I have experienced with Kelly and Mariah, Gaga, and Celine on Lost Cult. When this podcast is winning a signal award.

Speaker 2 I am emotional now.

Speaker 2 Now I'm emotional. No, don't.
Girl, don't. You need to be strong.
We are a leader in podcasts. We have to have the best.
We need the leaders in art. We need the leaders in art.

Speaker 2 Put Celine and Gaga on the podcast. That's what we want.
Look, consider this the first flare out into the world. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 And publish this, you play a role in this. You can help make this happen.
You really can. If you tweet at gaga tweet at gaga

Speaker 2 tweet at celine she loves it when people tweet at her send celine a ton of fan mail let's do this let's letter bomb celine

Speaker 2 oh my god this is with love with love no i i'm just i'm still just overwhelmed thinking about the idea of of them coming can you imagine i mean i actually think those would be both stunning episodes stunning stunning oh my god i mean to have like a a quatrain a quartet of episodes

Speaker 2 kelly mariah gaga

Speaker 2 celine like that is unbelievable to say nothing of what's happening for the next month should we announce our little series let's announce our series shall we well

Speaker 2 and by the way a film i've seen

Speaker 2 Wicked is coming out on November 22nd. And so we figured it might be fun since Bo and Yang plays the role of Fanny in said film.
Fanny the Fop.

Speaker 2 That we celebrate this impending release and have some of the stars of Wicked on the podcast. So how about this? Next week, Ariana is coming.

Speaker 2 Arianka. Arianka.
Ariani.

Speaker 2 I am so excited. It's going to be fun.
It's going to be really fun. She's coming on the week after.
How about this one?

Speaker 2 How about Cynthia Arivo herself?

Speaker 2 The legend. I can't.
I'm so beyond. And then we're going to finish it up with Johnny Bailey.
You know, that's true. Oh, yeah.
We're going to finish up for sure. We might see it.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to.

Speaker 2 I'll tell him what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 Matt is wiping the corners of his

Speaker 2 mouth together after that episode.

Speaker 2 Three in a row, babes. And then you'll all get to see Wicked on November 22nd when it comes out.
But it's a wicked month.

Speaker 2 November is for wicked. November's for wicked.
We're going to save any wicked talk between the two of us for this. Look, it's going to be three weeks of wicked.
Oh, are we? Because I'm popping off.

Speaker 2 Am I under you embargoed? Can I ask a genuine question? Am I under review embargoed? No.

Speaker 2 That would be so chic, by the way. It would be so chic.
If you were not explicitly told, I was not explicitly told. I think people are going on.

Speaker 2 The people who've seen it, like the, you know, sleigh influencers who've seen it, like, I think are going on. Are you popping off?

Speaker 2 Okay, then let me be a sleigh influencer right now when i say you guys are going to love this movie it is so

Speaker 2 so good it is and this is just based i'm i this is how i feel it is so much better than it needed to be like there are moments that just ring all of that emotion from the very first time you saw it on Broadway or heard the songs.

Speaker 2 Yes. It feels new again.

Speaker 2 Their performances are so good.

Speaker 2 Like Ariana, honestly, Ariana's physical comedy, her genuine acting, her emotion is just so real. And she's in it with Cynthia.
Their chemistry is unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Defiant Gravity is a moment and three quarters. A moment in movie history to me, personally.
They did it. They found a way to make it be.

Speaker 2 as cinematic and as new and as fresh as it probably did the first time. And it's nostalgic.
It honors the moment. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like you, you feel like when you're watching this movie, like, oh, this must have been what it felt like to discover something when it happened on Broadway. They did it.
They honored Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 2 They really just, it looks incredible. You are right.
It is way more practical than we're going to realize. And the movie's going to make you feel all the things.
It's just a great Hollywood movie.

Speaker 2 I'm so happy you think this and that you saw it. It was very important that Matt saw it before we had all our guests come on.

Speaker 2 For me, what I love, and we're going to say this again and again for the next month, like to our guests. Yeah, get into it.

Speaker 2 All the emotional beats hit and everything hits, like, you know, musically, it hits, of course, and visually. And it is a pure capital S spectacle.

Speaker 2 But most importantly, and probably most challengingly, these emotional beats hit, but like on a character development level. And that is kind of what is girding down the reason why this is two films.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 oh, people are going to feel so silly for wanting it to have been one. Well, the complaint for the Broadway show has always been that it's, it's dense.
There's so much happening so quickly.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, there are obvious character arcs that are amazing, and that's why people love the show so much. But, like, you really got to let it breathe and just let it have some latitude.

Speaker 2 And I think that the movie gives it all of that and more. And, I mean, every number.
God, there's so many moments.

Speaker 2 Like, there's even songs that you might like kind of, you know, like nod politely at like over the last 20 years

Speaker 2 since the show has been out, that like are given new life.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to say, like, I'm not that girl.

Speaker 2 Nothing wrong with the Broadway version or the stage version or whatever, but like something about seeing it in film, something about the way that Cynthia performs it. Yes.
Incredible.

Speaker 2 And obviously, Ariana Grande. Yeah.
That girl's talented. Who knew? I mean, it's so funny.
I'm watching it and I'm thinking to myself, by the way, just to speak on it, I'm not that girl.

Speaker 2 It's because it's like, it's an intimate thing that she's confessing. And when you can be like really personal with her and like, John M.

Speaker 2 Chu, the man that you are, like, he really knows how to do this. And you have to stick to your guns on those big decisions because it was the right one.

Speaker 2 Defiant Gravity literally brings a curtain down. You know what I mean? Like you wouldn't be able to just move on to another scene if Defying Gravity happens in the Broadway version.

Speaker 2 Honestly, without Defying Gravity suffering and everything that happens after it's suffering.

Speaker 2 So why wouldn't you, why are we doing this? If not to blow it out to its absolute potential. Also, go ahead and Wikipedia, whatever, and read, you know, act one and act two of Wicked.

Speaker 2 Those are two stories. Those are, those are two arcs in and of themselves.
Like you're actually seeing the characters after a long passage of time in like act two of Wicked. Yes.

Speaker 2 All this to say, it just trust me, it is going. to give you

Speaker 2 full ass movie like with its own arcs that that could end right there and would be a story. You know what I mean? Like, this is its own thing.

Speaker 2 And thank you for pointing out the time jump between the two acts. When there's a time jump, you honor that.
Remember Desperate Housewives' time jump? One of the greatest of all time?

Speaker 2 The haircuts were all askew. Gabby was in sweats, okay? Gabby was in sweats looking unkempt because Eva Longoria can do that.
Oh my God. Let's talk about this.

Speaker 2 I love this like sudden news that Eva Longoria saves John Wick basically with $6 million.

Speaker 2 Oh, this was a really good thing to hear. She has always been the hero of our culture.
I believe that Eva is

Speaker 2 important beyond just.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Gabby's totally any one thing. Like, Eva is, we need Eva on the pod.
We need Eva on the pod. Talk about that.
Hello.

Speaker 2 Can I say fantastic SNL host? Oh, Pete Desperate Housewife. She, she was so fucking big, and she still is, but like, she was the biggest fucking deal.
They were like, we got to get Evil on Cornwall.

Speaker 2 Her deep house dish is forever. Oh my God, forever.
Monday, had a bad fish sandwich, but Wednesday night, I was at the club. Tuesday, had a bad fish sandwich, but Tuesday night, I was at the club.

Speaker 2 Wednesday, another bad fish seminar, but Wednesday night, I was at the club. And then she sits down with Keenan.

Speaker 2 And he's just, he just says what happened. He's like, so you had a bad fish sandwich every night and you were still at the club?

Speaker 2 She's like, yep. And that's basically the sketch.
That's

Speaker 2 and that is a fully executed comedic idea. James Anderson, you are the John M.
Chu of sketch writing. Of sketch comedy.
In that you get it.

Speaker 2 Wait, Eva, Longoria, like, we would love to work with you. We would love to collaborate with you, literally in, in any way.
And I'm serious. I'm pointing at you.
And you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 I know. I know what you're talking about.
We would love to work with you. I think Eva is third co-host

Speaker 2 watch if we find out like eva if eva were to come in and like sort of take lost culture i that would actually be exactly the narrative i have no doubt i have no doubt that evaluate could do our jobs better than both of us combined oh anything anything oh my god eva we love you we love eva the second i saw eva on screen i i said tell me everything

Speaker 2 When she would run up and say, hey, undesperate housewives, Carlos. Slay.
The first season of Desperate Housewives.

Speaker 2 Watch it again. Rex cries when he ejaculates.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Can I say the only thing that doesn't work for me about the pilot of Desperate Housewives? I did just watch it again recently. Is the Mariala stuff? No, I love the Mariala stuff.

Speaker 2 I think all that stuff's amazing. Probably the most iconic image of it is the only thing for me that I'm like, I don't know if I buy this completely, which is Lynette getting in the pool

Speaker 2 to get her kids out of the pool in her heels. Like, it's an iconic shot.
I do

Speaker 2 like the imaging of it, but something about it, I was just like, I don't believe she's motivated to get all the way in that fucking pool. But then again, it was a kooky show.

Speaker 2 The twins were being nightmares, though. And it was a funeral gathering.
It was a party after the funeral. Yep.
Oh, that is a great pilot.

Speaker 2 Cause, like, I love there's that one act where it's just the four of them bringing in their dishes to the potluck and like what it said about them. And oh, it's so genius.
And that was a really fun

Speaker 2 show.

Speaker 2 I mean, so fun that Julio Torres still sends us Desperate Housewives memes and like Wisteria Lane content. Like, this is this has lasting impact.

Speaker 2 This has shaped a lot of our sensibilities, I would say. I'm trying to think, like, what was my favorite ever plot on?

Speaker 2 By the way, it's so funny that we were talking about the film of the year Wicked. We went off for two seconds about the time jump in Desperate Housewives because it also had one.
And now here we are.

Speaker 2 This is why Lost Coach is breaking ground in podcasts because no one is this fucking dumb and gay. No one.

Speaker 2 I'll fight. I'll throw hands against anyone that thinks they're this dumb and gay.
You're not talking about Gabbion Sweats.

Speaker 2 Unless your name is Aaron Schock and you're stumping for Trump at his rallies as a gay man. Actually, it's so crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're kidding. Well, actually, I get, I mean, sure.
What is he? It's not like he found community. No, he didn't.
No.

Speaker 2 It's not like he has anything to betray. It's like he is a fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 2 I was going to give him gut for like being closeted the way he was, but I don't want to, I don't want to make anybody feel bad for being in the closet. I mean, listen, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 No one has to feel bad about being in the closet. Everyone's situation is different.
He was enacting harmful, noxious, explicitly anti-gay.

Speaker 2 While being in the closet. While being in the closet.
So he should feel like absolute horseshit about that forever. And no, he doesn't have community in this arena.
Like, my God.

Speaker 2 Not us going from Desperate Housewives to Aaron Shock. And that's why Lost Coach, we're going to be standing up there next to Esther Perel

Speaker 2 saying, yes. Period.
I hit it off with this woman, and we both are holding trophies. Where should we begin? The iconography, of course.

Speaker 2 That's it. Honestly, watch when the Lost Coach Rises podcast becomes with Eva Longoria and Esther Perel.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Honestly, Esther is the you and Eva is the me, and it works. It works.
It totally works.

Speaker 2 Because they could talk about Aaron Schock and Desperate Housewives in the same breath. And I'm sure wicked.
Absolutely. I'm sure wicked.

Speaker 2 Wicked is universal studios.

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Universal Studios. By the way, Epic Universe, it's coming, bitch.
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Speaker 2 I saw a bunch of concerts recently. Yes, let's go.
Tell us. I don't think we've been on since I saw the sweat tour, which you were supposed to come to.
Oh, no.

Speaker 2 And that was devastating because it was the week you guys were starting up, right? Yes, yes. You had to get your JD Vance together.
No, no, it was not JD Vance.

Speaker 2 It was just the MSG show for sweat was on a Monday. It was the first day back at work.
So you got to, you have to situate. And that was a packed day.

Speaker 2 Like, we had Will and Harper on the pod in the morning. And then I had to go into the office and like, it's just a, it's just a lot coming out.

Speaker 2 You're catching up with people, you're strategizing for the next four shows. And it was, it was an intense run of four shows.
And then I just got overwhelmed and worked up.

Speaker 2 And I was like, you know what? Let me give my ticket to someone else. And I don't have regrets, although I do.
I mean, my regret is that I did not see the sweat tour.

Speaker 2 That's the thing is it's like, I wish you had seen it because it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 But I said to you the next day, there was no way you would have been okay the rest of the week because it was a party, party.

Speaker 2 And then we actually, we it was so fun, of course, that we went out afterwards and went hard. And I ended up like at someone else's apartment, you know what I mean, like doing the walk of shame.

Speaker 2 Sweat tour got me to do the walk of shame. I'm 34, you know what I mean? It doesn't happen as much as it used to.

Speaker 2 Like, kind of more chic though, the older you get to me at Barracuda, like hooking up with a guy at Barracuda, going home with that guy from Barracuda. Like, I'm 26.
I love it. I'm back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're so back. Anyway, the sweat tour first of all just

Speaker 2 charlie you are an icon in the building forever the fact bow that this actually is one of the proudest moments of me for the whole year of our podcast the fact that we had her on

Speaker 2 like before Brad Summer and we were talking to her about that song Girl So Confusing and we were going back and forth with her about who it was about.

Speaker 2 And she went into detail for the first time about like how it really feels sometimes between the pop girls.

Speaker 2 And to then a couple weeks later have Girl Socratic come out to then being there at MSG when Lord came out. Oh my God.
That felt like very much like a full circle moment. And I was like, this is why.

Speaker 2 And hear me right now. It is not that hard.
Brat is the album of the year. Period.

Speaker 2 Brat is the Grammy winner for album of the year. And we need to publicists.
You need to get on this because that show solidified her as a true icon.

Speaker 2 Like she already was, but like, I mean, in the real sense of the word, like this girl is a superstar. And let me just say, Troy fucking ate.
We love it. Tore it up.
Just so proud to see his gay

Speaker 2 self being this Madison Square garden level shred. Like the choreos together.

Speaker 2 Their music in conversation with each other was so great because you were up with Charlie and then like vibing with Troy in a way that was like a perfect ride.

Speaker 2 When they came out together, they were electric. They were so happy.
Fucking Addison Ray came out and saying diapsi and we went completely insane. Like

Speaker 2 just crazy stuff. Great visuals, 10.
10, of course. And they just wrapped it up too.
So congratulations

Speaker 2 to both of them and everyone involved in the sweat tour. You ate.

Speaker 2 The thing that has been true about Charlie all along, since like number one angel, especially, is that like it's always been about the people she brings into it.

Speaker 2 That's why like her talking about girls are confusing and being like, it's weird, like, it's weird with the pop girl sometimes. It's tense.

Speaker 2 Like, there's subtextual things and like signals and all these things. But Charlie has never had an issue bringing in the girls.

Speaker 2 Like, she had like Ray on number one angels like years before she blew up. She had like

Speaker 2 she had Kim Petrus on the track. She had like

Speaker 2 she's always clapping really well. And it culminates to the remix album for Brat, where it's like, oh my God, these are such incredible reinventions of these already iconic songs.
Like, I was,

Speaker 2 I don't know why I like didn't pay attention to the so I remix with AG Cook. Love.

Speaker 2 But a totally like new flip side take on the original so I, which is like sad and pondering and mournful and it grieves Sophie.

Speaker 2 But like this one is just like, like she literally says, like, I want to think about the good stuff.

Speaker 2 And it's all these wonderful, beautiful memories that she has with Sophie that are like celebratory. and you could like fucking dance to it in the club.
And I'm like, this album is so special.

Speaker 2 Like, it is a generation-era-defining album of this very strange time that we're in. But, like, thank God for this because this was the thing that, like, buoyed us, I think, spiritually.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, even with like all of the corners and sectors that it's hit in the culture, it's very easy for people to roll their eyes and be like, oh my God, like brats everywhere.

Speaker 2 Like, when was when, like, this just keeps going and going and going. But, like, it keeps going because it is successfully like sustaining this zeitgeist that it's in.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's continually interesting and developing. That's another element of it.
Is it's like, it feels like there's always something more to unfold. You know what I mean? Like, she, absolutely.

Speaker 2 I will say, I think that Sympathy is a knife featuring Ariana is the highlight for me.

Speaker 2 And I think the way that it goes into the new, I might say something stupid with the 1975, which is again a total departure. Yes.
Yes. Like, it's just, it's not,

Speaker 2 this doesn't just happen. It impacted fashion, politics, the conversation at large.
Of course, music. Now you see her breaking into film.
It's beyond just this album. It's a Charlie thing too.

Speaker 2 And I think that you have to, it's just, you can't actually talk about.

Speaker 2 And that's crazy too, because in a year when so many people put out incredible work, you can't talk about any album on this level.

Speaker 2 Like you can talk about Chappell Roan and Sabrina Carpenter as artists 100,000%.

Speaker 2 And I think give Song of the Year to Birds of a Feather, give Record of the Year to Espresso, obviously, and best new artist is Chapel Roan.

Speaker 2 Then we can really represent what happened this year, but Brat was the album of the year. And

Speaker 2 there's more to come from Charlie. I can say that.
What?

Speaker 2 Can you say that? I can. You detonate bombs in the culture.

Speaker 2 You detonate bombs.

Speaker 2 She is, um, she's appearing, is what I'm going to say. Bowen, are you allowed to do this? Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 2 All you said was she's appearing. You didn't say where.
She's appearing. I didn't say where.
Oh my God, gag. Okay, so unbelievable.

Speaker 2 And talk about collabs, like fucking Charlie and Troy doing that together. I mean, that was a moment.
I just, I will never forget it. I saw the hit me hard and soft tour at Madison Square Gardens.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Billie,

Speaker 2 she's it. She's it.
She is it. A true original.
I mean, all of the girls, like everyone's original, but like she is,

Speaker 2 she is form breaking. She should be up there on stage with you and Astair Perel.
I would love nothing more than to share a stage one day with Astair and Billie Eilish.

Speaker 2 I don't know what we'll do, but I would love to collaborate with these ladies. I would love to collaborate with these ladies.
I think you guys should do a cooking demo on a talk show.

Speaker 2 I think that would go so well, Bo. That's the stage you belong.
I think that would be really good. What I want to say about Billy's show is a couple of things.
You don't realize how dexterous and

Speaker 2 emotionally intelligent her voice is. It's like the only way I can describe it.

Speaker 2 She just likes a great way. She is such a storyteller, and the music is so intimate.
And

Speaker 2 the sounds are also so big that for her to translate is, I mean,

Speaker 2 it's exceptional. And that audience was going completely insane for her.

Speaker 2 The choice, I'll say, the layout of the stage so that she can pretty much always be two things: A, close to her fans, and B, able to fucking run around because there is something. She loves to run.

Speaker 2 Yes, there is something that is like inherently youthful about her

Speaker 2 like energy and the fact that she can just be standing there singing and then in the next breath, running, and it feels like it makes sense to her why.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like giving her a stage where she can do that is genius, and it's her genius. Yeah, and um, her music is absolutely unbelievable in that environment.

Speaker 2 And whether it's a song that's small or big, because of what it's meaning to the people there.

Speaker 2 It's so incredible to hear you say this about an artist who I think her trademark has been incredibly, I'll say, like internal music. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It's like the reason why she is incredibly original and that she's kind of like reinvented a lot of vocal styles in the last several years is because it's like, it's incredibly inverted.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's not like outwardly projected vocals necessarily, you know, like even when she quote unquote belt, it's like incredibly controlled.

Speaker 2 And even when she like wrote like, what was I made for?

Speaker 2 She was like, oh, like this demands something completely different from, like, like she, she's incredibly aware of like how she uses her instrument. Yes.

Speaker 2 And for it to be so successful and so realized in a stadium like that is so cool. She's,

Speaker 2 it feels crazy to say it about someone this young, but she is a living legend in that she will go on to do so many things because I just, you know, when they were doing the rollout for Hit Me Hard and Soft,

Speaker 2 Matt Whitaker was pointing this out, actually. And I think it was purposeful on her team's part because you saw her on Colbert talking about how she loved like Ella Fitzgerald.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 You saw her doing more adult, engaging with the audience in more adult ways. Almost as to say, like, there's a lot up my sleeve, musically, artistically.

Speaker 2 I think we're going to see many different Billie Eilishes over the next

Speaker 2 40 years.

Speaker 2 I'm making a lazy comparison here and just saying like not the pedigree, but just sort of like the background and like the literacy on music that she has is very like gaga to me.

Speaker 2 Yes. You know what I mean? And I will also say like, I have to, because it's my impulse, I have to.
What do you think of disease? I think it's a grower. I really love it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I want to hear the whole project around it. Me too.
Me too. And I think this is all very intentional.
The reason she has not given us the video, the visuals yet is very intentional.

Speaker 2 I think it will communicate more about the scope of LJ7.

Speaker 2 and i'm gonna say something for my i don't think so honey it's not about her or the music obviously it's about the discourse my i don't think so honey is also about the discourse interesting about gaga one of her daughters oh interesting wait also quickly addison ray just to quickly mention aquamarine love stunning love the video have you seen the video yes i love it's kind of giving um

Speaker 2 Britney a little bit. A little like blackout era, Brittany.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I I mean.
Like, that's sort of like that era of Britney. She sings, give me more in the song.

Speaker 2 She literally sings like the words, give me more.

Speaker 2 I love a dirty Parisian music video. She's always giving a little Britney.
Yeah, Becca says, she's always giving a little Britney. Oh my god.
We need to talk about Becca's producer, Becca's costume.

Speaker 2 Yes. The last thing I'll say is I saw Taylor's show in Miami.
Rain Show. Rain Show, iconic.

Speaker 2 Epic rain show during reputation when she was doing the transition from Look What You Me Me Do into look what you made me do like like she was really tayla capital t a y l a in that moment in the rain letting the water whip she was having fun and it was it was a really fun show to be at i will say this could be an i don't think so honey hard rock stadium in miami you need to figure out how to get your guests in and out if you're going to have events like that better or worse than met life

Speaker 2 oh bowen if you can imagine this it was much worse. No, I can't.
Because it wasn't being in gridlock.

Speaker 2 It was needing to travel miles before you could be picked up by an Uber with no transportation to get you there. So we had to walk for like

Speaker 2 miles. And then when you finally get to the Uber pickup, it was gridlock.
It was crazy. I hate it.
Infrastructure-wise, Florida.

Speaker 2 I'm thinking of you. I really am.
We hope everyone's doing okay. Oof.

Speaker 2 And that felt like a hard left, but like literally, though, like, I'm just like, I don't get what happens when, what if there was an emergency? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 It was like, I was like, this is not built correctly. Or like, like, something's wrong.
But anyway, those were my concerts. If you pivoted to architecture, I would say slay.

Speaker 2 See, and there's the thing is like, I have no idea how to fix the whatever problem it is they think they have. But the people who work there and get paid for it for that know.

Speaker 2 And they're not doing anything about it i don't know i don't know if you were at those hard rock shows or you know someone that was you know what i'm talking about like it was like news

Speaker 2 it was it was so bad it was news

Speaker 2 news um also oh gracie abrams opened up for taylor heres

Speaker 2 crushed and can i say

Speaker 2 The most beautiful person in the world. It's crazy.
Like,

Speaker 2 I think it was Ann Hathaway recently was asked who should be on the cover of Vogue. And she said, Gracie Abrams.
I I said, yup. Went thou.

Speaker 2 That is a face for the cover of Vogue. Hair body face for you in the words of Allie.
Me. All tea.

Speaker 2 Really all tea, bog. Hair tea, body, tea, face, tea.
Voice tea, songs tea, lyrics tea. Can I say something stupid? What? I might say something stupid.
I might say something stupid. Dental tea.

Speaker 2 She's got a chic set of teeth. That's all I'm going to say.
I mean, it's like,

Speaker 2 if they could tell me you can take the substance and look like Gracie, I'd be like, it's worth it to turn into Monstro Elissa Sue for the days I could look like Gracie Abrams.

Speaker 2 Oh, if I could write, I love you, I'm sorry, I would take the substance and become Monstro Elyssisu. I listen to it five times a day.

Speaker 2 If you told me that if I listened to it again, I'd become Monstro Elyssisu, I would have to listen to it again. I'd be like, I love you.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Thank God there's a new album about being obsessed with someone before you even fucking meet them. That's what I need.
And wait, that it worked out? And then it was girl, it worked out. It sure did.

Speaker 2 Good for both of them, I say. Paul's been looking really good

Speaker 2 in the lead up to... He was wearing this cardigan the other night on a British late night show.
And isn't it something? Every time he like dresses a certain way, it becomes a story thing.

Speaker 2 So many people doing that Halloween costume of him, like standing outside with the groceries after he was at the gym in the little hat. No, and it's a he has a bag of sweet cream.

Speaker 2 So a lot of these gay guys out here taking paper bags of sweet creed.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 2 Wait, I have to tell you the culture that made me say culture was for me. Now I have to redefine my answer.
It's Amelia DeMoldenberg. I have become

Speaker 2 God with chicken shop date and the chicken shop date with her and Andrew Garfield.

Speaker 2 What did the straight guy say? It's my Roman Empire.

Speaker 2 It's your Roman Empire.

Speaker 2 It's my roman empire i i love watching love and that's what it is that's what it is it's that is can i say like fleabag level just in terms of two people having chemistry and you're witnessing like something going on you're like whoa what is this well did you see someone compared to a fleabag on tick tock oh really yeah someone goes it's like the when he's telling her like that he sees like the strings being pulled in her mind like he knows like her approach.

Speaker 2 And she says, Stop. I knew you would do this.
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Speaker 2 Someone on TikTok was like, This is like the moment in Fleabag when he calls her out for talking to the audience. Like, this thing that she doesn't think other people will notice.

Speaker 2 And he's like noticing it or calling it out. It's like, it's that moment of like someone seeing you.
Oh my God. And saying it out loud.
Like, it's truly

Speaker 2 lessons in chemistry with Brie larson amelia we love you amelia

Speaker 2 reader can i say something i immediately got in the dms of course it was i was like hi i'm a massive fan like please and i'm me already talking like a massive fan like massive we connected and amelia you know you have a seat here open invite anytime you want to come on she she's a great vibe she came to an snl a few shows ago really And we got to hang after the at the after party.

Speaker 2 She is so, so fucking cool. I also want to say about her, unreal fashion sense.
Like

Speaker 2 she looks good every time, like 10. Like, like, had you seen her at any event? She's dressed perfect.
Hair body face tea, for sure. I mean, the hair is always perfect.

Speaker 2 The makeup, the face, I mean, her nose, her eyes, just

Speaker 2 that perfect face. I love Amelia.
Sorry. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 To say nothing of like, how fucking hot he is and that being an element of the fact that like that date between the chicken chop date between them, you're just like watching two adorable people be adorable.

Speaker 2 It's like watching puppies. It's like, it's like serotonin.
You know what I mean? Like, they should bring that video into like places where people need some joy.

Speaker 2 Bring it into the retirement home. Bring it into the rehabilitation center where Finchie checked in.
My make-a-wish one day, I just want Amelia and Andrew to talk to each other in front of me.

Speaker 2 Just like,

Speaker 2 come to where I am and let me curl up in a ball and i just want to watch them talk please guys please

Speaker 2 you might have to pull a finchy and lie about something

Speaker 2 i would i would pull a finchy oh god

Speaker 2 what if what if bowen the twist of this podcast was everyone realized that like one of us was lying and or like you like

Speaker 2 yeah like you're not gay What can I do? Which I've been saying about you for a long time.

Speaker 2 That's a theory.

Speaker 2 I've I've written about this. This is not that uncommon.

Speaker 2 Like, don't you know, like, friends, like, there is like an a gay urban legend in our generation now where it's like, oh my God, there's this one guy who was married to this doctor.

Speaker 2 And then the doctor would get up and go to work. And then, like, after years of being married, the person finds out that they never were a doctor.

Speaker 2 They would just drive and go to a parking lot and sit there for eight hours and then drive back home. Like the shit, like personality disorders are out, are out there.

Speaker 2 And they always so what you're saying is there's a chance.

Speaker 2 So what you're saying is there's a chance. Like we could still get that from this podcast.
Yeah. Well, there's finchies everywhere and you never know when the finchy bomb is going to blow up.

Speaker 2 The finchy bomb. Like honestly, you know what's crazy though? It's like,

Speaker 2 am I going to go here? Yeah, sure. Why not? Like, sometimes like you get to know people in the industry where sometimes people are just that weird.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, sometimes you work, like, you could, you could have been in the Gray's Anatomy Writer's Room and like, she's like an idiosyncratic, like, weird person, but like, a lot of people are.

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Speaker 2 pathological. A harbinger of doom.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Total. A harbinger of doom.
Did I use that correctly? Yeah, absolutely. I just, I just.
Yay.

Speaker 2 Yay.

Speaker 2 Talk about producer Becca's costume. Oh, my God.
Which will actually dovetail nicely into my I don't think so, honey. Okay.

Speaker 2 Producer Becca's costume was one of the best ones I saw on all of the internet, which we all get on to see people's costumes. So this was a place where you could see them all and Becca stood out.

Speaker 2 She was Govball Chapel Roan. Statue of Liberty in the green.
Statue of Liberty in the green with the blunt, everything. And it was production value.
It was accuracy. It was energy match.

Speaker 2 Becca, get on. Get on.
You have to give a speech and give remarks.

Speaker 3 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 How did you feel on the costume? When did you decide to do it? How did it come together? And

Speaker 3 more.

Speaker 3 So about a week or so ago, I decided to do it because I had been Halloween's one of my favorite holidays. I just love to glamp.

Speaker 2 to dress up.

Speaker 3 And my boyfriend and I were trying to decide what we were going to do with our dogs. And we decided to make one of them Midwest Princess Chapel and then one of them was a brat album.

Speaker 2 And so then I was like, okay, well, love Ball Chapel.

Speaker 3 And my boyfriend was Boiler Room Charlie.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Love it.

Speaker 3 Chicha went viral. Obviously, she was Brat.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 3 I never felt more like a celebrity handler in my life. Like people were just stopping us, taking pics of Chicha.

Speaker 2 Because you looked like her.

Speaker 3 Well, that was for earlier we did the fort green dog pumpkin contest and so it's like a costume

Speaker 2 i need i need to go to one of those chica was cheetah was the winner literal brat oh my god and so she's crowd favorite chim win that doesn't matter who's

Speaker 2 who the fuck won baby bell cheese okay that's good that's pretty good yeah it was it was it was really cute actually because there was a whole reveal they like took off the wrapping it was cute i'm pretty good with baby bell cheese winning the award yeah that's

Speaker 3 it was definitely crowd favorite vibes because we couldn't get out of there. Like people were like, you were mobbed.
We ended up on New York Nico.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's the win.

Speaker 3 New York Nico. That was the win.
But, oh, my boyfriend brought it over.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's perfect, really. Squad shades.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 But then the chapel costume, I was like, okay, I was at Abercanabra. If you know, you know, in New York,

Speaker 3 I bought the same little Statue of Liberty fire thing.

Speaker 2 And of course,

Speaker 3 but then I like hunted all over.

Speaker 2 Yes, I told you, I'm a little re-roll.

Speaker 3 But then I hunted around Times Square after a recording

Speaker 3 in the city and was like, okay, I bought like the classic New York crown.

Speaker 3 And then I was like zooming in on Chapel's charms. I was like, oh, she literally just like bought a bunch of New York charms and put them on a necklace.
So I did.

Speaker 3 I bought the exact ones, put them, built them, put them on the necklace. And then I watched probably a billion YouTube videos on how to do drag makeup.

Speaker 3 I mean, I do makeup really well.

Speaker 2 You did that yourself.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 2 But on brown skin, you know, you're like, okay, it's a lot of layering.

Speaker 3 It's, yeah, it's like, and you also have to think color theory.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was like, okay, green isn't going to look green on me the same way it looks on chapel. So I'm mixing the whites, the blues, the greens.

Speaker 2 I get it there.

Speaker 3 I do it. And my friend has this yearly costume contest Halloween party.
She's like a curator, like event planner. And so it's always gorgeous, always fun.
So I was like, I'm coming to win.

Speaker 3 I'm coming to win. I won.

Speaker 2 It was perfect.

Speaker 2 Wow. You did what Shisha could never do.
That's true. And tell me what I'm doing.
And that's why I'm her mother. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it was, it was so much fun. I wish.
I had more places to be, to be out longer with the makeup on because it did take me like four hours to do.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 But, and the outfit, I really wanted wanted to nail the outfit, but I was like, I don't have time. I don't have time to make it.
I, I spent too much time making I felt it was there.

Speaker 2 I felt it was there.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I was like, if I get the makeup right, people aren't going to give a fuck that I don't have that skirt, you know?

Speaker 2 That's that's doing all the work.

Speaker 3 It was costing a lot. At this point, I was like adding it up, and I was like, I can't buy fabric for this.

Speaker 2 Are you comfortable saying your handle?

Speaker 3 Yes, it's Bex, B-E-C-C-S, Ramos, R-A-M-O-S.

Speaker 2 Follow producer Becca to see her travel roam costume and more.

Speaker 3 And more. And Cheecha's Brat costume.

Speaker 2 And Chicha's Brat costume. Yeah.
New York Nico featured Brat costume. Becca has already cast aside her prior sort of

Speaker 2 calling card, which was saying the dings and the dons of the iconic 400.

Speaker 2 It was only a matter of time before you transcended that. And look, it's costume winning Becca Ramos.
Everyone's winning awards. Everyone's winning awards, games.
Everyone's really winning awards.

Speaker 2 This bodes really well for the future, too. Because once you start winning, sometimes you just don't stop.

Speaker 3 We haven't stopped as the show has proved.

Speaker 2 That's right. That's right.
Thanks, Becca. We love you.

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Speaker 2 all right well i think it's type right i don't think so honey i don't think so honey is a segment that we do on this podcast where it's one minute ranting and railing and rocking and rolling against something in culture that's been grinding our gears and i've got something to say about the discourse i don't have anything really prepared i just have emotions okay sometimes that's more than enough yeah i think it will be yeah this is Matt Rogers is an emotion forward.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 If you have anything negative to say about Chapel going up to that paparazzi and saying that he was disrespectful to her, she walked up to him. She said, you were disrespectful to me.

Speaker 2 She said, you owe me an apology. And he, I guess, didn't give her one.
She went back to her spot and posed. If you think she was being a brat, just fuck off.
She's allowed to do whatever she wants.

Speaker 2 Also, it's iconic that she did that.

Speaker 2 Iconic. Don't you want your pop stars to be a little messy? Don't you want them to be confrontational?

Speaker 2 Don't you want them to be dynamic and compelling the way that chapel rone is why are you shouting at chapel rone to be like everyone else i don't think so honey shut up stop micromanaging chapel you don't own chapel chapel is a participant in democracy she is out here saying her opinion giving everything

Speaker 2 of what she can in her industry and feeding the economy, bitch. Leave Chapel alone.
And that guy does hoe her an apology.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey fucking shut up about chaperone that's one minute imagine a world in which you had the self-respect that this person does

Speaker 2 and if you were confronted with if you saw someone who you felt wronged you deeply

Speaker 2 what would it feel like to have that courage to walk up to them and be like hey I really didn't like when this thing happened. You owe me an apology.
That would be incredible.

Speaker 2 Think of all the other possibilities that would open up in your life. People can't stand that she sticks up for herself and won't apologize for it.
People can't stand it.

Speaker 2 And I get that not everyone likes her. Guess what? That's good.

Speaker 2 Maybe we shouldn't be just like given a whole smorgasborg of like vanilla, annoying whatevers that like all robotically say the same shit.

Speaker 2 Like I'm happy that there's someone super compelling and outspoken and talented as fuck out there. Like stop thinking of her as an influencer.
Start thinking of her as a human being.

Speaker 2 Like stop thinking about her as something that's just to be like you know directed from she's someone to be listened to but you don't it's not like she's like wields ultimate power leave her alone it's that and also she is not customer service no she's not customer service and i don't know i felt like we were kind of just coming out of this era of like everybody policing each other's morals.

Speaker 2 It's like,

Speaker 2 oh, it's worse than ever.

Speaker 2 It never works. Never.
If you chastise someone like that in that way, on that scale, it never, ever, ever yields the outcome that you

Speaker 2 that you would want in that sort of scenario. Like, leave her the fuck alone.

Speaker 2 I just hate watching all this energy go towards that when we have such a crazy fucking villain out there in the world right now.

Speaker 2 And I get that the reason people are upset with her is because they feel like it's some deterrent towards like, you know, stopping Trump. Civic disengagement or something.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 And my thing is just like, if we can have both, then all we're going to have are directives from someone that tell us what to do and when to do it. And that's also really bad.

Speaker 2 And you're not going to be able to do that. I just hate watching us fall apart like this because we're not seeing like the forest for the trees a little bit.
Like all of this can be true.

Speaker 2 Like she can be an imperfect, incredibly talented artist.

Speaker 2 who, yeah, sure has influence, but is not like didn't ask for that. You're the one demanding authenticity of her.
She gives you that, and then you're upset and make it about a million other things.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, it's like,

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's, it's, it's really frustrating to watch us just fall apart online because there's, it's, we really,

Speaker 2 we really are looking right in the face of dictatorship. We're looking it right in its face.
This is not perfect what I'm saying, but like. No, no, no.
I just, I just, I don't.

Speaker 2 It's holistically frustrating. I don't quite know what to say either, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 I hope everyone votes. I hope everyone does the right thing.
Period.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, that's that's all.
That's all. Bo and ying.

Speaker 2 Do you have Alan Bingsboh, honey? I have, I have one that's much less urgent, but it's grinding my gears a little bit. I mean, it didn't need to be urgent.

Speaker 2 It's just like, I just, I feel like the, the energy like projected at her for this red carpet thing is like about other things. Yeah.
And I'm like, just, okay, so you don't like her.

Speaker 2 Like, then just, then don't listen to her music Whatever she's not like she's not begging to be fair

Speaker 2 clearly Everybody just get off the internet a little bit more You know what I mean 100%

Speaker 2 do you see this for some reason this this kind of went around like there was an interview with Stevie next or something where like she talks about how at some award show like Katie Perry like showed her what Twitter was and how like stand Twitter was kind of works yeah wild and how it works and um Stevie was like I don't have the internet on my phone and then Katie knows well, like, who are your rivals?

Speaker 2 Who are your rivals? And then Stevie goes, I don't have rivals. I have friends.

Speaker 2 Katie Perry took another one.

Speaker 2 I mean, at this point, it's like, it works retroactively too. You're like, this woman, did she ever get it? I don't know.
I think she did for a moment.

Speaker 2 It's certainly in question now in a way that it never was, but like, it was just wild to watch Katie get another wall up from Stevie Nicks.

Speaker 2 The new year is coming to an end and she got wallpape by by Stevie Nicks. Like, yeah, Halloween, October surprise.
Oh, bitch. Why are you showing Stevie Nick's Twitter? Don't do that.

Speaker 2 Don't ask Stevie Nicks, who are your rivals.

Speaker 2 Shut up. You know who Arizona is cocaine.

Speaker 2 Oh, sure.

Speaker 2 She defeated her rivals.

Speaker 2 Can I say, I'm going to tell this story? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 So I show up to Thursday. I was given the honor of being in the promos with Ari and Stevie.

Speaker 2 I show up on Thursday, and I have to to walk over to the wardrobe department as Stevie is getting off stage from her sound check.

Speaker 2 And I kind of like, her coterie was kind of like working the way through. And then I like peeled, I like kind of hid behind a doorway to like make way for her.

Speaker 2 And then I hear a voice where she goes, you don't have to hide from me, Bowen.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh my God. And then she like comes up to me and she has these insanely surreal things to say to me.

Speaker 2 But then the thing that stuck out to me was just because you're asking who her enemies are, who her rivals are, she goes,

Speaker 2 When you did that thing with those spotted lantern flies,

Speaker 2 I thought that was the funniest thing because I hate them.

Speaker 2 And then she talks about how her life is just stomping out those lantern flies.

Speaker 2 They are very vicious, vicious, and they're jumping, and

Speaker 2 their refluxes are getting better, unfortunately. See, this is not what we need.
Stevie Nixon's rivals are cocaine, Lindsey Buckingham,

Speaker 2 and Lantern.

Speaker 2 Yep. Is that a a real culture? Yes.
What's Rumber? 74. Stevie Nix's rivals are Cocaine, Lindsey Buckingham, Lindsey Buckingham, and Lantern Flies.
Okay, I have an I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
And if you believe it, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Lady Gaga's Return to Pop, quote unquote, this is Chromatica Erasure.

Speaker 2 What does that make Chromatica? Chromatica is

Speaker 2 one of the best pop albums of the last decade. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's necessarily Gaga's camp. I think Gaga in interviews has mentioned like this return to pop music, but it's like she wasn't away from it that long.

Speaker 2 Maybe Harlequin counts as like a detour, but we're even talking about it to 6.5.

Speaker 2 It's like, we need to make sure that we consider Gaga a pop artist and that she is one of our best chameleons, but let's not erase Chromatica. Chromatica is top to bottom, spectacular.

Speaker 2 I'm getting really emotional because because that is a very important album to us, especially coming in, coming, going through the pandemic.

Speaker 2 I don't like this thing of like, oh, like this is a return to form to like Born This Way. Born This Way is an amazing album.
Art Pop is an amazing album. Joanne is an amazing album.

Speaker 2 And Chromatica is a more recent, amazing pop album. Don't erase Chromatica.
And that's one minute. I have been confused as well.
I'm like, Chromatica was pure pop.

Speaker 2 We just saw the Chromatica ball tour. Like, we just just saw it.
What do you mean she's returning to pop? Like we just saw her in a stadium

Speaker 2 doing stupid love.

Speaker 2 Like what did you think that was? Classical? What did you think that was? What did you think that was? Was 911 country music? Was it not pop dance?

Speaker 2 Was A Thousand Doves

Speaker 2 Chinese?

Speaker 2 Was it Chinese or something? Was it Chinese music? You know Chinese music?

Speaker 2 Say Chinese music. What's your favorite Chinese song?

Speaker 2 You know my favorite Chinese song, Teresa Tang. Teresa Tang.
Well, that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 Can you do your rendition of Teresa Tang's biggest hit?

Speaker 2 No, I can't do it. That was so good.
Please keep going.

Speaker 2 Gorgeous song. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 It's called The Moon Represents My Heart. Everyone listen to it.
The moon represents my heart.

Speaker 2 I felt that was true watching you perform in that moment. You put me on the spot.
That was vulnerable.

Speaker 2 Sometimes vulnerability opens the door to true greatness.

Speaker 2 And I think that what you just did is a great example of why Las Coacharistas is an award-winning podcast and why we picked up the Signal Award for Innovation and Podcasts.

Speaker 2 And it's really why I'll be standing up on stage next to Esther Perel holding a trophy. That'd be so funny if you're waving and smiling.
If you and Esther did not share the same space at all.

Speaker 2 Or if she refuses to speak to me. Oh my God.
She's like, she looks at me.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hi, Esther. It's so nice to meet you.
What a great night. She looks at me and she goes, I don't like like you at all.

Speaker 2 I don't like you at all. Drops of accent.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Drops the Belgian French accent.

Speaker 2 I don't like you.

Speaker 2 I don't like you at all. You stay in the middle of the day.
I see you out there doing your thing. I don't like you at all.

Speaker 2 I'm ashamed to be sharing this award with you. You know what? I think she would have a lot.
I think if you guys really had a moment and got into it, I would listen to the fuck out of her

Speaker 2 talking about specific people with you. That's all.
specific people a specific person a specific person

Speaker 2 sure

Speaker 2 anyway the jump scares keep a coming

Speaker 2 it was spooky halloween town vibes when we were traveling recently that's all we'll say

Speaker 2 Halloween town oh my god you know what I almost did my I don't think so honey on and I thought you would have appreciated this but I ultimately I didn't think I could speak to it enough for a minute it's just something I don't like okay the Halloween font.

Speaker 2 And you know what I'm talking about. Wow.
That like spooky, scary, drippy font. Like that Munster's y font.
You know what I'm saying? Like the Goosebumps logo. Yes, the Halloween font.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I love the Halloween font. What? It's so fun.
It's different. You used to be so chic.

Speaker 2 A girl. You have lost it all.
I don't know what happened to you. You used to be so fucking chic and such a legend.
You've fallen. No longer.
Now you're a Halloween fought lover. I love Halloween.

Speaker 2 I'm with Becca. You know what? Halloween always sticks up on me in so many ways, but especially this year, especially, I'm like, oh, I love this time of year.
And you know what?

Speaker 2 The only reason I haven't been able to get into Halloween as much in the last five years is because of work. And I am excited for a day soon in the near future.
in the next few years. One short day.

Speaker 2 When I can really stretch out my legs and limbs in October and all of fall, really, because I love fall travel. I love going to see the leaves change.

Speaker 2 I'm excited to have time. We just went to the most insane haunted house we've ever been to.
We can't say where, but it was crazy. Oh, the production value, woof.
That was legendary. Legendary legends.

Speaker 2 Before we go and sing us out,

Speaker 2 please vote. Please vote.
Please vote.

Speaker 2 Please vote for Kramala. Please vote for Kramala.
In the words of voting rights activist Stacey Abrams, one side may disappoint, the other side intends to destroy.

Speaker 2 And it's hard to make it a nuanced thing. It's hard to make voting in this election nuanced in the way that we would like it to be when it is a literal binary, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 I think that we have shown. that we can have these conversations and that we will have these conversations and they'll go in all different kinds of ways.

Speaker 2 But ultimately, I just hope that we do everything that we can to

Speaker 2 protect each other.

Speaker 2 Let's just protect each other here. Let's just think about each other.
We end every episode with the song. We end every episode with the song.

Speaker 2 Birds of a feather,

Speaker 2 we can stick together alone.

Speaker 2 Won't change the weather. Won't change the weather.
Won't change the weather.

Speaker 2 No!

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Speaker 2 I know!

Speaker 2 No!

Speaker 2 By the way, the walls in my apartment building are so thin. I'm in trouble.
Flap on the wrist.

Speaker 2 Finally, a man touches me.

Speaker 2 My God.

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Speaker 2 Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani. Produced by Becca Ramos.
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