It's Time! (w/ Mariah Carey)

1h 4m

It's a moment. Mariah Carey? She's on Las Cultch, darling. Matt & Bowen adorn themselves with festive garb to welcome Queen of Christmas, adverb legend and all around music GOAT to the pod. M & B ask MC when to expect the follow up to Caution (and get an answer!), Mariah's "sensory" songwriting process and BTS of the creation of classic songs like "Hero". The three go on to discuss the iconic "Heartbreaker" music video villain BIANCA and her origins, how the Grammys trifle with Mariah and it's unacceptable, the formative Butterfly album's impact, how The Emancipation of Mimi put Mariah back on top, performing on SNL way back in 1990, memories from Mariah's iconic Tokyo Dome show, setting the convention of hip hop features on pop tracks, and the emotional rollercoaster that was writing and recording her terrific memoir The Meaning of Mariah Carey. Also, the inspiration of Michael Jackson, Prince and Marilyn Monroe, the difficulty growing up biracial on Long Island, potentially rebooting Divas Live, beating Tina Fey at Mean Girls trivia, and casting the role of Mariah in Lee Daniels's adaptation of her memoir. Mariah reveals her top 3 favorite Disney rides, talks vocal stacking alongside the incredible Brandy, and ponders dropping her grunge album already! All this, Hoda and Jenna's emotional morning on Today, "Boxing Day" and Mariah's already iconic I Don't Think So, Honey on overhead lighting! Check out Mariah's newest collab with Amazon Music: it's a holiday decor line available October 31st at Amazon.com/MariahCarey! AND THEN A HERO *CAME* ALONG! We love you, Mariah. "Gimmeyalove" :)

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Press play and read along

Runtime: 1h 4m

Transcript

Speaker 1 This is an iHeart podcast.

Speaker 4 Don't miss All's Fair, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers.

Speaker 7 Terms apply.

Speaker 8 Okay, I'm going to cut to the chase.

Speaker 13 Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruises are spectacular.

Speaker 18 I'm a little confused why you're not on one right now.

Speaker 20 We're talking about kid-free cruises to Grand Caiman, Jamaica, and Virgin's private beach club in Bimini.

Speaker 6 Incredible food, DJs, live music, happenings, always happening.

Speaker 24 And your cabin, basically a sanctuary.

Speaker 6 Plus, over $1,000 in value, included Wi-Fi, soda, 20 plus restaurants, and zero hidden fees.

Speaker 33 I mean, hello learn more at virginvoyages.com or contact your travel advisor on eBay every find has a story like if you're looking for a vintage band tea not just a tea the band tea you wore it everywhere until your ex-boyfriend stole it thief now you're on eBay and there it is same tea from the same tour the things you love have a way of finding their way back to you especially on eBay where else can you find that mint trading card you searched everywhere for or your first car the one you wish you never sold it has to be eBay.

Speaker 46 Shop eBay for millions of finds, each with a story.

Speaker 2 eBay, things people love.

Speaker 1 This message is brought to you by Apple Card. AppleCard members can earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases, wherever they shop.

Speaker 1 This means you could be earning daily cash on just about anything, like a slice of pizza from your local pizza place or a latte from the corner coffee shop.

Speaker 1 Apply for Apple Card in the wallet app to see your credit limit offer in minutes. Subject to credit approval, Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch.

Speaker 1 Terms and more at applecard.com.

Speaker 2 You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

Speaker 45 It literally happened to me yesterday.

Speaker 52 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset.

Speaker 53 Right?

Speaker 27 There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice-cold Diet Coke.

Speaker 17 It just hits.

Speaker 24 It's my little me moment, like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

Speaker 6 Exactly.

Speaker 13 Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments.

Speaker 29 Diet Coke, this is my taste.

Speaker 62 Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is.

Speaker 62 I'm doing my whole album, Have You Heard of Christmas, plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com to see me in a city near you.

Speaker 60 And now, Los Colch drums.

Speaker 67 Look, Matt.

Speaker 67 Oh, I see. My IOI.

Speaker 44 Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Goodness. Wow.

Speaker 32 Las culturistas.

Speaker 69 Ding-dong. Las culturistas calling.

Speaker 73 And this feels like the culmination.

Speaker 74 I don't know what to say.

Speaker 76 I think we pack it up after this.

Speaker 77 After this, it's to the graveyard with us. Yeah.

Speaker 79 And to all the haters, y'all won.

Speaker 80 Yeah, y'all won. And also, it's fine.

Speaker 71 We did the thing we needed to do for our life to be complete.

Speaker 82 We've peaked personally, professionally, journalistically.

Speaker 80 Yes, and we're giving a festive moment today in honor of our guest.

Speaker 84 It is, of course, September 26th at this time of recording.

Speaker 76 So it's not yet.

Speaker 74 It's not yet on not yet, because it's really not yet.

Speaker 37 It's really not yet, but as we approach, it's T-word.

Speaker 22 You know, it's just the anticipation is building.

Speaker 86 I am just even donning this Princess Diana sweater with the Lamelly on it, as it were, I'm feeling the festive spirit, even though it's not yet.

Speaker 74 So those who know, the real ones know, okay, I want to take you back.

Speaker 81 It's April 11th, 2000 in Madison Square Garden, my very first concert of my entire life.

Speaker 91 My parents got me for my birthday, Mariah Carey, the Rainbow Tour, which really was a narrative about trying to hunt down Bianca.

Speaker 65 Yes. I do want to find out if we ever got

Speaker 12 that B word.

Speaker 16 The character from perhaps the greatest music video of all time.

Speaker 73 You know, the other day I'm digging in my artifacts and I find this.

Speaker 97 So this is the cassette of Mariah Carey, Boys to Men, One Sweet Day, which I would play

Speaker 74 the F out in the car with my mother on Long Island.

Speaker 44 We have that in common as well.

Speaker 90 And

Speaker 98 to say that this is wish fulfillment is beyond because this podcast exists.

Speaker 73 And we, of course, ask all of our guests, what was the culture that made me say culture was for me?

Speaker 92 For me, that is our guest.

Speaker 71 And I cannot believe you're here.

Speaker 73 We did meet briefly at Peloton.

Speaker 70 Yes. It was not necessarily an exchange of words.

Speaker 2 It was more an exchange of, what would you call it?

Speaker 43 Support.

Speaker 22 I think you helped our guests down from the podium from which she said it's T-word that year.

Speaker 76 The T-word being time.

Speaker 88 The T-word being time.

Speaker 22 But it was a perfect prelude to this moment, which I think has been in the stars, destined for time eternal.

Speaker 74 It's a major moment.

Speaker 103 I'm going to make it through. I can make it through the rain.

Speaker 23 You can make it through the rain.

Speaker 16 I eventual tears.

Speaker 104 But as a card-carrying, platinum card-carrying member of the Lamily.

Speaker 74 And I know I speak for so many people that are listening and watching this right now.

Speaker 105 We are so excited to welcome the greatest of all time, Mariah Carey.

Speaker 108 You really are here.

Speaker 93 I'm here.

Speaker 84 I'm here, the prequel to It's Time.

Speaker 49 Right.

Speaker 53 Well, yeah, there's the not yet. Right.
Yeah. And then maybe I'm just like waving up at the world going, I'm here.

Speaker 10 Is it ever too early?

Speaker 58 When do you start decorating?

Speaker 110 I wonder.

Speaker 53 I wait. You wait.
Yeah. Actually, I wait till I'm done with the tour.

Speaker 109 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 53 And then it's trees and ornaments.

Speaker 109 I like your ornaments.

Speaker 44 Thank you.

Speaker 87 Well, it's from the Amazon Music Collaboration with Mariah on October 31st.

Speaker 39 Go to amazon.com slash Mariah Care.

Speaker 45 You can buy ornaments, snow globes, exclusive tour merchant apparel i mean talk about the snow globes what how did you pick out the scenery and the dioramas of the snow globes yes the dioramas the dioramas this is a vocabulary my gosh you guys win

Speaker 53 so the snow globes with the the mc logo

Speaker 53 and the it's it's glittery snow i would call that right yeah so it's glittery snow and that's my little caricature of me and some reindeer and I just I thought it would look pretty with this kind of the the gold down here I love it the adornments the adornments yeah for coco the adornments

Speaker 100 every time I use a word that makes you laugh I feel very happy you know you're a you're a vocabulary legend you're a vocabulary

Speaker 53 I mean I kind of like used to be but I don't it's not that I don't try anymore but I don't I don't know what the word is I just see I don't know what the word is

Speaker 122 you know that you really had me saying saying the word nonchalantly in third grade.

Speaker 80 Like people are like, hey, Matt, what do you want to play at recess today?

Speaker 77 I'm nonchalant about it just because of your song.

Speaker 53 I listened to that the other day and I was like, I guess I'm trying to be nonchalant about it. Yep.
Who did I think I was?

Speaker 44 You knew you were Mariah.

Speaker 23 You knew you were Mariah.

Speaker 119 You were Mariah nonchalant.

Speaker 124 I was using incessant before I even knew what the word incessant was, but I just heard incessantly and I was like, well, if Mariah is using it, rhyme.

Speaker 53 That's why I got away with it.

Speaker 53 and not for nothing but incessantly in a number one hit song they're not using words like that anymore in number one hit songs they're not no i don't think so i think you know in this tick tock age it's like everyone's got to be quick and it's got to be monosyllabic

Speaker 113 you can't throw a lee or a anything in there right the lee's get them the lee's the lee's get them but i think the lee's rhymes with the me's and i feel like you are singing from your point of view right and so therefore it works yeah it's the puzzle piece

Speaker 42 it's the puzzle piece yeah We were reading in Vanity Fair in this recent interview did that by Rob Ladoni, friend of mine.

Speaker 72 Friend of friend of the pod.

Speaker 39 It's been six years since Caution.

Speaker 44 And so I can't believe that.

Speaker 88 One of my favorite albums in the last decade.

Speaker 44 Brilliant.

Speaker 96 Truly, truly, truly.

Speaker 53 It didn't get the push and promotion that it deserved.

Speaker 51 Agree.

Speaker 53 And sad about that.

Speaker 23 You know, am I?

Speaker 60 Yeah. Are you?

Speaker 104 That was bangers on bangers.

Speaker 91 I was at, I remember it was in like Goanis and you did that sit down, like that was really focused on your songwriting. And it was like around the release of caution.

Speaker 90 I actually met with my friend Mariah Smith.

Speaker 44 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 100 And so it was me and Mariah watching Mariah.

Speaker 13 And it was like, that album was total fire.

Speaker 91 And it really was, that conversation was about your songwriting.

Speaker 2 And I think that like, that's what I get most excited about when it comes to you.

Speaker 83 And so when we're asking about the new music, I just want to know, like, are you writing now? Like, what's happening?

Speaker 132 Like, what's inspiring you?

Speaker 53 Yes, I am writing now.

Speaker 53 But the more I talk about new music and that I'm doing this and it's probably coming out in whatever, a year or two years, everybody gets mad at me because they're like, why are you telling us this?

Speaker 53 And then it doesn't come out in a year. And then it's you know what I mean? We ain't mad at you.

Speaker 53 Some people be mad.

Speaker 30 No,

Speaker 13 they just need to let you work.

Speaker 80 It just does feel like, you know, six years, we are ready. 2025 is the year.

Speaker 15 I'm saying it.

Speaker 53 And I will concur.

Speaker 109 Okay.

Speaker 97 We have a concur.

Speaker 82 A concur is not a commitment.

Speaker 19 Like if it gets pushed, we'll understand.

Speaker 30 Yes.

Speaker 53 It really does need to happen. Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 45 We agree.

Speaker 51 We are over here agreeing.

Speaker 22 We had caution on during a drive upstate, I remember in 2018.

Speaker 38 And it was just like, damn, every track, you know?

Speaker 39 I mean, I feel like.

Speaker 82 You have this quality as a vocal producer where you like are clearly working with these collaborators that you love.

Speaker 102 Like you're Jermaine Dupreez and you're Ryan Michael Cox's, but it's like, when do you know as an artist, like that your stamp is on it, that it's done, it's ready to go?

Speaker 22 Because I imagine that this process is like capturing a cloud and trying to like put it down into a words or a sound or something. Like, what is your signature as a vocal producer?

Speaker 129 Hmm.

Speaker 44 Well,

Speaker 53 it takes a while. I run it down once and then I'm like, okay, that was cute.

Speaker 53 And then, you know, I don't know how long I take a while,

Speaker 53 you know, so that I can live with it and

Speaker 53 just really let it sink in. Yeah.
And then I'll know, like, okay, there's about five words that I want to redo the way the way I sang that. Uh-huh.
You know, I didn't like that.

Speaker 53 Or it's okay, but I want to try something different.

Speaker 60 Right. Right.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 78 And that's a different process from like the songwriting of it because, right? Like, yeah, that's just getting it down.

Speaker 53 It's, how do i say it it's a it's an interesting like like a sandwich okay

Speaker 53 yes yes yes because he's famously stacked he's famously stacked

Speaker 53 and um but yeah it's it's because it's so important to write the song first and then if you don't take your time and it's part of the process to do that like go in change this go in change that you know i mean you were talking about how hero was one of the songs that came the fastest to you on a writing level.

Speaker 22 But then I imagine the production of that was a longer process.

Speaker 53 It actually went, the whole thing was sort of like at the same time.

Speaker 53 It happened at the same time because they were explaining to me about Dustin Hoffman's new movie that was called Hero.

Speaker 60 And then I took a walk to the Lou

Speaker 53 and started hearing then a hero comes along and with the strength to carry on and walked back in and said to Walter A., who I used to work with,

Speaker 53 I was like, this is how the song goes. Like, can you start playing this?

Speaker 53 Yeah. And, and humming to him the,

Speaker 53 you know, so just.

Speaker 95 It's wild that that can come to you so quickly and then it becomes one of the most famous hooks of all time.

Speaker 3 Does that ever like feel strange?

Speaker 91 It's like one of the things that you thought of really on the way to and from the loo, then becomes that thing that like really hits hard.

Speaker 53 And maybe something you work on for a very long time like doesn't doesn't get to that point yeah well i wasn't trying to write this big heroic or lack of

Speaker 53 word anthem for the ages an anthemic heroic moment i wasn't i wasn't searching for that yeah but it you know it kind of happened it's what arrived it's what arrived but then some songs i am working on you know longer and and maybe i'll end up liking them better like a song like fly like a bird

Speaker 53 like i love that song. And yet it's not hero in terms of like how

Speaker 53 major hero was in terms of success. Yeah.
But I still love it. And it's a Grammy winner.

Speaker 121 Yes, it is.

Speaker 73 You don't have enough of those, by the way.

Speaker 30 Five?

Speaker 71 I'm like, come on now.

Speaker 83 They trifle with you.

Speaker 121 They really do. They play with you, the Grammys.

Speaker 53 Toy with me.

Speaker 46 Can I ask, what's a better vocal performance in terms of pop music than Heartbreaker?

Speaker 94 Can we talk about the end breakdown of Heartbreaker?

Speaker 91 I really want to get into this.

Speaker 94 There's four different vocal lines of you coming on at the same time that all call back to different parts of the song.

Speaker 132 I remember hearing that song for the first time and being like, I don't know how she did this again, but yet, of course, just like

Speaker 95 that stacking that happens at the end.

Speaker 75 It's pure vocal performance.

Speaker 23 It's incredible.

Speaker 135 And I wonder, is that like something you're particularly proud of?

Speaker 81 Because to me, that is pop excellence.

Speaker 23 Thank you. I mean, Heartbreaker is everything.

Speaker 53 I appreciate that very much because it's one of my favorites that I've done. And

Speaker 53 that ending was just me figuring out, like, the song is written over a loop. Yes.
Right. So in order to do like all those different parts, it wasn't that difficult because it's all.

Speaker 53 it was pretty much the same that the song itself because of the way it's written over a loop. Yeah.

Speaker 53 So then doing the little parts and having them interwoven with each other was just what, it's like what I like to do. So

Speaker 121 yeah.

Speaker 94 And just pulling it out and like isolating those hooks was just like a genius way to end that song.

Speaker 132 And that last, give me a love is just like, it's just like that little cherry on top that like you could live happy for the rest of your day when you're, when you've listened to that.

Speaker 99 And just to speak to that moment and also that tour.

Speaker 140 So when you're doing that song, do you see the video at the same time?

Speaker 99 Because that's probably one of the best music videos ever.

Speaker 48 You versus Bianca.

Speaker 53 The heartbreaker music video.

Speaker 141 Yeah, and I want to know where she is now.

Speaker 53 I know. We got to find her.

Speaker 44 She was low down.

Speaker 25 She was low down.

Speaker 53 And there was a girl on the set who was actually,

Speaker 53 she was like a stand-in.

Speaker 53 And she was from a different country and because she had an accent and she's a pretty girl, you know. And

Speaker 53 we're there and

Speaker 53 everybody's throwing popcorn. Like, you know, we're throwing the popcorn.

Speaker 119 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 53 And she got so mad. She's just standing to be there and whatever's the the girl had popcorn on top of her hair glued on top of her hair like that's what it was supposed to be

Speaker 53 and she got so mad she walked out no not her being a diva on your set her being a diva on my set no no no yes the injustice the injustice adding hours to the day it did and then i went out to her trailer and was like hi we really didn't mean to do anything to upset you or, you know, da da da.

Speaker 66 She was just like,

Speaker 53 oh, wow, she was really giving Bianca. She was.
So, you know, Bianca, we were inspired all the more for being offered to that conflict.

Speaker 142 That teta tet.

Speaker 143 Where did the name Bianca come from?

Speaker 53 I just made it up. Yeah,

Speaker 131 as you're wont to do. A crew.

Speaker 73 It's another word that is pulled from whatever.

Speaker 88 Yes. And Immaculate Conception.

Speaker 2 I wanted to just say and also ask in addition, the butterfly album.

Speaker 132 I think that I don't know if this is true, but I would guess that of all the lambs, like and all the fans that come up to you across the world, that that's one that probably comes up a lot.

Speaker 95 I know for me, I listened to it at a time when I was like really like discovering myself and it will always be so important to me.

Speaker 90 And

Speaker 132 I guess I just wanted to ask about that album.

Speaker 81 Like, does that have special significance to you as it does to your, I know your fans, that particular album?

Speaker 53 It definitely has very special significance to me. I think it's probably my best album.

Speaker 73 I don't know how that doesn't have all the accolades from all those awards.

Speaker 121 Zero accolades.

Speaker 100 Zero.

Speaker 44 I don't get it.

Speaker 53 I think I'm pretty sure it has zero accolades.

Speaker 135 I was looking earlier just to check and I was right.

Speaker 94 You had some nominations for it, but not anywhere near the respect that that album deserves for not only what it did in terms of like the metamorphosis of you as an artist in your career, but I know how it inspired so many artists.

Speaker 44 So many.

Speaker 53 I mean, I love that album. It has a certain feeling when you listen to it.

Speaker 53 And then there's the, it's just got a lot of diversity. Like it's, it's, I don't know.
Yeah. You go from breakdown to the butterfly to my all.

Speaker 116 My all is.

Speaker 83 I mean, we all know, but like, my, it's just like,

Speaker 92 again, hit play on it.

Speaker 103 And I listened to a lot of the discography this morning happily in getting ready for this, but just like, honey, just the way that the album starts, you know, we're in a new era.

Speaker 53 Yeah. You know what I mean? That's true.

Speaker 128 It's innovative.

Speaker 87 It's just, it's one of those albums that we had Kelly Clarkson in this chair like a year ago.

Speaker 76 Stanning you.

Speaker 137 Stanning you. Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 59 She loves my all.

Speaker 68 Oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 131 It's so nice.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 92 But I mean, like, just that album and particularly The Roof.

Speaker 63 And I was so happy that you got so into it.

Speaker 53 She was talking about The roof? No, no.

Speaker 145 Kelly was talking about my all.

Speaker 44 Okay.

Speaker 106 I'm talking about the roof.

Speaker 66 Okay.

Speaker 6 But she could be talking about the roof because I said that's not as well known.

Speaker 122 No, but you know what, though? The roof is

Speaker 117 no.

Speaker 84 That's a number one hit for the lambs.

Speaker 132 I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 So back in the day, we did on this podcast, we did a book club reading of the meaning of Mariah Carey.

Speaker 137 Oh, really? Yes, we did.

Speaker 121 Oh, wow.

Speaker 92 And because it is my favorite book.

Speaker 2 And it is like, I think it's a piece of music history.

Speaker 75 It's a piece of music history.

Speaker 22 It's the best celebrity memoir. It's like, it just has a picture of it.

Speaker 115 the audiobook is the best celebrity audiobook.

Speaker 137 Did you like the audio?

Speaker 106 Where was the Grammy at?

Speaker 107 Oh yeah. Spoken word.

Speaker 53 They could have had give it, yeah.

Speaker 108 Yeah, they could have.

Speaker 70 Stop playing in this woman's face.

Speaker 97 Yeah, it's really ridiculous.

Speaker 9 Not that it matters what you think, but like in a world where it will be nice.

Speaker 23 It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Speaker 77 But anyway, like they had it right in the beginning.

Speaker 2 But anyway, like what I'm saying is,

Speaker 97 you mean

Speaker 65 the best new artists.

Speaker 61 They got it right the first year and then they were like, let's continue to sleep on it.

Speaker 44 And

Speaker 116 like as if you weren't leagues ahead of everyone else and all respect to everyone else but anyway we love everybody

Speaker 108 we love everybody a famous line

Speaker 44 we love everybody

Speaker 44 i just remember you talking about the roof and that was such it almost felt validating for me as a kid because the roof was not a track i could get over it was like you could feel the discovery like even just in the lyrical imagery the rain hitting your skin the way that you were waking up i honestly think in that moment, I was like waking up to being queer and who I was.

Speaker 63 It's just such a vivid, beautiful song.

Speaker 74 And I want to say there actually was a moment where I was in third grade and we would go in and we would, we would have writing time, like you could write anything in your journal.

Speaker 136 So I just wrote the lyrics to the roof.

Speaker 121 Oh, wow.

Speaker 74 And then we had to hand the journals in.

Speaker 81 I love the story.

Speaker 139 So my teacher read

Speaker 53 hated me. Well, no.

Speaker 106 No, no, no.

Speaker 71 I don't think she must have been listening to someone else at the the time.

Speaker 2 Maybe she had been playing Selenio because she thought it was my writing.

Speaker 116 And she goes, I don't know what you're going through,

Speaker 108 but you are a beautiful writer.

Speaker 68 Oh,

Speaker 66 she was.

Speaker 136 Literally, it's me talking about like, you know, like having this experience.

Speaker 123 Finish the MOAD.

Speaker 107 Finish the Moed.

Speaker 121 I probably spelt it like M-O-A-Y.

Speaker 121 I know.

Speaker 53 You guys say to me, like, why do you pronounce it that way? I'm like, that's just how I always.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, but listen, like, it worked.

Speaker 84 And, but I probably should have wrote Sprite or something.

Speaker 66 Right.

Speaker 71 But just to know that like, that's the kind of song that is.

Speaker 2 Like, I didn't have to get it to really get it and have it be meaningful to me.

Speaker 71 And that's like a testament to your writing and that album and what must have been such an incredible breakthrough creatively for you at that time.

Speaker 53 Thank you. Yeah, it definitely was.
Just to be able to be free to write and perform in the way that I wanted, as opposed to other people saying, do this.

Speaker 53 Even if I wrote Hero, that doesn't mean that's the only song or type of song that I wanted to write.

Speaker 80 Right.

Speaker 116 And you were very famous for that type of song for a long duration of time.

Speaker 53 Right.

Speaker 53 I guess.

Speaker 75 Yeah.

Speaker 44 Oh, no, you were.

Speaker 63 And then all of a sudden, this like new person came out because you felt,

Speaker 77 I don't know, emboldened.

Speaker 146 How would you

Speaker 44 liberated?

Speaker 66 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 44 A good vocab word.

Speaker 53 It's in the song we're talking about. That's the only reason I remember.

Speaker 110 Yeah,

Speaker 30 oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 53 Started feeling liberated.

Speaker 25 Started feeling liberated.

Speaker 88 Yeah, I mean, iconic.

Speaker 10 But then your music got funnier, too, I think.

Speaker 63 Do you think that that is, there's a link there?

Speaker 13 Like, cause all of a sudden you started making jokes.

Speaker 53 I had jokes.

Speaker 106 But how do you feel about the jokes now?

Speaker 49 You're, you're, are you.

Speaker 53 No, I do. I still do.
I just haven't put out a new album in six years, as you pointed out.

Speaker 22 And look, as someone who does not believe in time,

Speaker 102 like, what's time? What is time?

Speaker 53 We don't know what that is.

Speaker 115 So then it's irrelevant, right?

Speaker 134 It's like, and it's also like part of the process.

Speaker 20 It's like, it needs time to cook.

Speaker 87 It needs time to develop.

Speaker 51 And so it's all.

Speaker 26 It's got to baste it.

Speaker 53 It requires basting.

Speaker 44 It requires basting.

Speaker 53 It requires basting.

Speaker 131 It requires basting.

Speaker 149 It's like Thanksgiving.

Speaker 109 You know?

Speaker 53 And then at the end, you get a fabulous meal with people that you love.

Speaker 109 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 149 Yeah.

Speaker 135 Do you like Thanksgiving or are you wanting to rush through it to get through your season?

Speaker 53 I like Thanksgiving as well. I'm just, I'm very, you know, the word I'm going to say, fest.

Speaker 106 Yes.

Speaker 97 And that includes the turkey day, of course.

Speaker 141 Yeah.

Speaker 94 Because you're festive for Halloween, you're festive for Thanksgiving, you're festive for Christmas.

Speaker 44 Yes.

Speaker 131 Yes.

Speaker 60 Valentine's Fourth of July. Well, yes.

Speaker 44 Of course.

Speaker 118 Another great track.

Speaker 53 Thank you. I have a song called Fourth of July.
Yeah.

Speaker 83 They know.

Speaker 44 If you don't know, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 121 Why are you listening?

Speaker 94 I actually, I made, I remember I made, at the time of doing the

Speaker 2 audio book, I made playlists for everyone who like, for some reason, didn't know. And this is my intermediate Mariah playlist.

Speaker 121 Ready?

Speaker 12 The Roof, Hate You,

Speaker 83 Clown, one of the great tracks.

Speaker 116 I love Clown.

Speaker 2 Clown is so good.

Speaker 44 And we agree with you.

Speaker 16 Ex-Girlfriend.

Speaker 71 Corrin by Candy Burris?

Speaker 60 Yes.

Speaker 118 Wow.

Speaker 23 We love Candy. We love Candy.

Speaker 98 Forever, The Distance, Your Girl.

Speaker 48 I love you. Your girl.

Speaker 151 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 100 Vanishing, sweetheart, and all I've ever wanted. Those are my.

Speaker 53 I wait so funny that vanishing is on there after John just said.

Speaker 30 I know, right?

Speaker 92 We were talking about vanishing just over there because of your incredible performance of it on Saturday Night Live all those years ago.

Speaker 131 Hello. Hello.

Speaker 53 That was a fun moment.

Speaker 115 Patrick Swayze was the host?

Speaker 53 Yes.

Speaker 115 And that was like early, that was like the beginning.

Speaker 53 The very beginning of the year.

Speaker 22 If you were to walk back in there in that space, like you you would just, you would have even more of a command on it, I think, right?

Speaker 53 Like, I feel like it's no, I think I had less, um,

Speaker 53 what's it called? I wasn't quite as

Speaker 131 nervous

Speaker 53 back then for some reason.

Speaker 53 I don't know why.

Speaker 31 Totally. I mean, it makes sense.

Speaker 150 Like, I

Speaker 87 understand what you mean because I feel like there's this thing that, at least as it relates to SNL, people say that, like, oh, the longer you stay there, the more,

Speaker 128 the more nervous you are, which is, it, it's, it shouldn't work that way.

Speaker 88 It should work in the inverse.

Speaker 118 But it's like, oh,

Speaker 22 you should be more comfortable.

Speaker 78 And yet, like, something about like being on display or just having your work be like celebrated.

Speaker 128 I'm just talking about your work be celebrated must mean that like there is this comfort that people are expecting from you.

Speaker 42 And it's a lot to provide that, I imagine.

Speaker 53 Especially so early on in one's career. Right.

Speaker 13 Did you feel like it was very fast?

Speaker 13 Because in the book, you talk about sort of it was only a few years into your career that it was the Tokyo show that you really realized just how international and how big you were.

Speaker 99 But before that, it was not.

Speaker 53 Well, because the Tokyo show was in a gigantic

Speaker 53 Tokyo Dome, was ginormous. Yeah.
So, you know, I found myself there and it wasn't like being at even like on Saturday Night Live, which is... bigger in many ways, but this was

Speaker 101 spatially huge.

Speaker 53 And across the world.

Speaker 44 Yes.

Speaker 53 You know?

Speaker 83 a totally different type of fan, probably responding in a different way.

Speaker 91 Were they a very like engaged crowd?

Speaker 116 Did they know the words in their own way?

Speaker 53 Well, my experience at that time was that everybody had to kind of be polite.

Speaker 53 People in Japan were very polite. Yeah.
And so it was like,

Speaker 53 you know, I would sing whatever the song was and then it would just be

Speaker 97 applause and then we're done.

Speaker 44 Done.

Speaker 40 Punctuated.

Speaker 53 And somebody came up to me and said, like, please don't think that we're not appreciative of your music. This is just our culture and how,

Speaker 53 you know, it was so nice that they did that because I'm sitting there like, I don't know.

Speaker 135 Was it, I think, was that the show too, where, or maybe that, maybe not that show, but there was another show where you were trying to teach the crowd, always be my baby.

Speaker 80 I think you performed it for the first time.

Speaker 53 I think it was that one.

Speaker 93 It was, and it was the doo-doo-doo, though.

Speaker 14 And you were trying to get them to do it.

Speaker 84 And they were just like, we're we're not,

Speaker 142 we can't match this.

Speaker 118 We can't match this three.

Speaker 99 Probably another one of your greatest ever.

Speaker 68 Always be my baby.

Speaker 109 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 102 How do you feel about just this

Speaker 85 standard now in the industry, in the music industry that you've set, which is, or this convention really, where it's like

Speaker 128 a beautiful vocal can be paired with a great hip-hop future.

Speaker 78 You know, like those two things are complementary, which I mean, no one at the time that you sort of innovated on that thought would work at all.

Speaker 44 Yeah, Fantasy, Heartbreaker, pioneered that.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 53 That was, I mean,

Speaker 53 there were other ones too. I'm trying to think of all the records I did, like with Jadicus and

Speaker 44 I mean, even Breakdown at the time. Breakdown, Bone Thugs, and Harmony.

Speaker 53 I mean, that was definitely unexpected.

Speaker 115 That is...

Speaker 32 Such a huge part of your legacy.

Speaker 31 Like, how does that sit with you watching literally everybody sort of follow the blueprint that you've said?

Speaker 53 It's so interesting.

Speaker 53 But I, you know, I didn't even say ODB, which, you know, fantasy, probably the biggest, one of the biggest

Speaker 104 absolutely.

Speaker 53 And I really, I wanted so much to work with hip-hop artists. I really did.
I wanted to do my thing and then be able to listen to their vocals. Yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 53 And so then luckily I was able to do it. But a lot of people told me, oh, this could be the end of your career.
You know, don't do this.

Speaker 46 That the worlds had to be separate.

Speaker 109 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So crazy now because in music, it feels like, what is genre?

Speaker 116 Right. You know, it's just wild.

Speaker 92 Like you see, like, you know, with Beyonce's album, Cowboy Carter, like, yes, it's country, but it's also rock.

Speaker 130 It's also Americana.

Speaker 92 It's pop. It's all these things.

Speaker 104 Now it feels like if you're not blending genre.

Speaker 53 What are you doing?

Speaker 129 Right.

Speaker 101 And having that moment at the Grammys with you and Miley last this year felt like such a perfect encapsulation of that too.

Speaker 101 And it makes me, it makes everyone really excited for whenever the new stuff is coming.

Speaker 51 Not to bring it back to this, but it's like, I think you can,

Speaker 101 you are really going to take advantage of this sort of.

Speaker 131 blending of it.

Speaker 44 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 53 I agree. And I loved that moment with Miley.
Yeah, she was great. She was so great.

Speaker 121 And so do you know?

Speaker 59 She sent me flowers. Wow.

Speaker 53 She sent me beautiful flowers after that. And I was like, she's incredible.

Speaker 83 When she gave you your props there, I mean, like, she was like, no, you have to stay right here.

Speaker 83 I think, because I would imagine that she looks up to you and like feels indebted to you for what you've done, as everyone does and should.

Speaker 145 You can't smell culturistas without R-I.

Speaker 154 That's right.

Speaker 155 Rhode Island is the perfect place, not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Eastas too.

Speaker 11 We're talking about the foodistas, the theater Easters, the nature Easters, the luxury stas, whatever you're in Easter for, you'll find it in the ocean state.

Speaker 155 So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.

Speaker 50 Rhode Island.

Speaker 29 All that.

Speaker 72 Plan your trip at visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 161 That's visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 127 You know how the holidays feel like a full-on production?

Speaker 110 We've got costume changes, emotional monologues, and award-winning family plot twists.

Speaker 112 It's giving holiday spectacular and the star of the show, Stella Rosa Wines.

Speaker 15 When the curtain rises on this holiday season, skip the opening night nerves as Stellar Rosa Wines delivers a standing ovation after every sip.

Speaker 38 We're talking festive, delicious main character energy in a glass.

Speaker 164 And listen, if you're stressing about gifts, don't.

Speaker 165 Just grab a bottle of Stella Rosa Wines or even better, grab two.

Speaker 32 We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 140 So clock out, pour a glass, and let the drama stay on stage this holiday season.

Speaker 166 Find Stellar Rosa Wines wherever you buy wine.

Speaker 167 Must be 21 and over. Please celebrate responsibly.

Speaker 1 This message is brought to you by AppleCard. AppleCard members can earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases, wherever they shop.

Speaker 1 This means you could be earning daily cash on just about anything, like a slice of pizza from your local pizza place or a latte from the corner coffee shop.

Speaker 1 Apply for Apple Card in the wallet app to see your credit limit offer in minutes. Subject to credit approval, AppleCard issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch.

Speaker 1 Terms and more at AppleCard.com.

Speaker 21 All right, listen up.

Speaker 22 Four words that will change your life.

Speaker 168 Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruises.

Speaker 57 Okay, that's adding like seven words because you've added so much drama.

Speaker 169 Thank you.

Speaker 12 You're welcome.

Speaker 32 But Virgin Voyages is amazing.

Speaker 24 Go book one like now.

Speaker 26 Beautiful destinations, incredible food, and vibes so luxurious.

Speaker 18 You'll wonder why you ever tolerated buffets and screaming children.

Speaker 153 Because, yes, the cruises are kid-free.

Speaker 170 No shade to the little ones, but sometimes grown-ups need grown-up time.

Speaker 10 And the value, over $1,000 worth included.

Speaker 3 Wi-Fi, soda, over 20 amazing restaurants, group fitness, top-tier entertainment, no hidden fees.

Speaker 158 It's almost too good.

Speaker 23 Almost.

Speaker 20 Virgin always has something happening.

Speaker 172 Wellness sailings, DJs, themed parties, live music.

Speaker 173 And destinations, all of them.

Speaker 8 Or the best of them.

Speaker 10 Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, plus Virgin's private beach club in Bimini.

Speaker 34 They're even adding Aruba, St.

Speaker 24 Lucia, Curacao, and a new ship, The Brilliant Lady.

Speaker 152 She's bold and beautiful with that Virgin it factor.

Speaker 147 And when it's time to relax, your cabin is your sanctuary.

Speaker 56 Ocean views, private terrace, signature red hammock.

Speaker 31 Learn more at virginvoyages.com or contact your travel advisor.

Speaker 174 If you're still overpaying for wireless, it's time to say yes to saying no. And Mint Mobile, their favorite word is no.
No contracts, no monthly bills, no overages, no hidden fees, no BS.

Speaker 174 Here's why I said yes to making the switch and getting premium wireless for $15 a month.

Speaker 175 Ditch overpriced wireless in their jaw-dropping monthly bills, unexpected overages, and hidden fees.

Speaker 39 Plans start at $15 a month at Mint.

Speaker 177 All plans come with high-speed data and unlimited talk and text delivered on the nation's largest 5G network.

Speaker 175 Use your own phone with any Mint Mobile plan and bring your phone number along with all your existing contacts.

Speaker 73 You could just save a ton with Mint Mobile, and I feel like that's what we're all trying to do right now, right?

Speaker 14 Cut those corners and make sure that we can use our money to spend on things that we need and things that we want to do. I mean, isn't wireless like water?

Speaker 103 Everyone should have it.

Speaker 174 With Mint Mobile, you're a little bit closer because it's a little bit cheaper.

Speaker 11 Ready to say yes to saying no?

Speaker 174 Make the switch at mintmobile.com/slash culturalistas.

Speaker 14 That's mintmobile.com/slash culture isthos.

Speaker 178 Upfront payment from $45 required, equivalent to $15 a month.

Speaker 175 Limited time, new customer offer for first three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan.

Speaker 41 Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details.

Speaker 103 Mariah Carey, we have to ask you the question.

Speaker 73 That's the centerpiece of our podcast.

Speaker 53 The centerpiece.

Speaker 103 The centerpiece.

Speaker 121 The snow globe.

Speaker 84 The Christmas snow globe of our podcast.

Speaker 2 Mariah Carey, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 92 That formative pop culture, whether it be music, movies, it can be anything that you can look back and be like, Mariah was becoming Mariah because of that thing.

Speaker 109 Well,

Speaker 53 there's a few things.

Speaker 31 Yes, give it to us.

Speaker 53 I would have to say,

Speaker 53 looking at from the time I was

Speaker 53 little, little Michael Jackson when he was a kid. Yes.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 53 then when he did like on Motown 25, when he was there making like

Speaker 53 history. Yeah.
Not the album, but making history.

Speaker 53 You know, just being himself, being on there, moonwalking, doing everything. I mean, it was just a moment where everybody was just watching that.
Yeah.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 53 also Prince. I love Prince.

Speaker 53 And it's so sad that he's no longer with us.

Speaker 30 It truly is.

Speaker 53 Yeah.

Speaker 53 I still listen to Prince all the time.

Speaker 131 Yeah.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 53 yeah, I would say like Little Red Corvette.

Speaker 44 Yeah.

Speaker 44 So good.

Speaker 53 So good. And then, you know, my mother always loved Marilyn Monroe.

Speaker 53 And I walked into her room one time and she was watching

Speaker 53 like when they would do those. talking about like Marilyn was this and that because she had passed away years ago.
And she was watching one of those retrospectives.

Speaker 53 And at that point, they were looking at gentlemen prefer blondes.

Speaker 53 And I didn't know who she was. I just saw this like doll-like woman.

Speaker 53 And I was like, oh my gosh. And I was a kid, kid.

Speaker 53 And my mother told me who she was. And then from then on, I was a huge fan of hers and looked up all her, you know, stuff from her life, books about her,

Speaker 53 books by Norman Mailer.

Speaker 53 Just like incredible. so

Speaker 132 those are three very good answers i mean i feel like the thing that ties them all together too is they all have such iconography you know what i mean like you look at them and you say that's marilyn there's only one that's prince there's only one that's michael there's only one and you see you think of him doing the moonwalk and you immediately that's a monoculture moment and so do you think that

Speaker 92 that imprinting on them had something to do with the fact that you felt like almost othered and that you would grow to be,

Speaker 95 you knew you could grow to become an individual. And there was something about them being so singular that you identified with.

Speaker 23 I

Speaker 53 promised myself I would grow to be someone that had a successful career.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Because I did feel so othered. And being of mixed race, coming from a family that was very dysfunctional,

Speaker 53 that was a difficult road for me.

Speaker 53 And so I kind of had to adapt this

Speaker 53 strength that was like, you know, I'm going to do this. I'm not going to tell anybody that I'm going to do this, but this is what I'm going to do.

Speaker 110 Move in silence.

Speaker 119 Move in silence.

Speaker 53 Real G's do it. Yeah.

Speaker 65 Move in silence until we're using our five octave.

Speaker 59 And then we're actually taking up some

Speaker 44 space.

Speaker 32 But yeah, between the three of those, it's like there's vocal trademark, there's artistic trademark, there's aesthetic trademark.

Speaker 87 It's like, and those all kind of converge in you.

Speaker 128 And like, I mean, you really are just a singular,

Speaker 124 all-time great

Speaker 72 person and who's created all this joy.

Speaker 78 I mean, like, you know, you've created this world and this feeling that people will never detach from, that they'll always carry with them.

Speaker 78 That's really, it's really incredible.

Speaker 131 Thank you.

Speaker 84 I think also people don't realize how tough Long Island can be.

Speaker 44 Yeah, talk about the Long Island of it all.

Speaker 136 I mean, like, it is, though. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 71 Like, it's like

Speaker 44 Strong Island, baby.

Speaker 103 Are you a seafood person?

Speaker 83 I know you love your linguine with white clam sauce.

Speaker 53 I do. That was my dad's recipe.
That's why.

Speaker 53 Why? What do you think?

Speaker 103 I'm just a seafood person.

Speaker 53 Like, it's a Long Island thing.

Speaker 100 I'm just saying we're by the sea.

Speaker 23 Where in the Long Island thing?

Speaker 84 I'm from Icelip, but my parents grew up in Lindenhurst.

Speaker 135 So I'm a South Shore kid.

Speaker 44 Oh,

Speaker 106 okay. Why do you laugh?

Speaker 53 I laugh because I had such a traumatic experience

Speaker 53 growing up in a place that's so racist. And that was a thing where, you know, my mother always wanted to live there or different places around there.
And

Speaker 53 I had to be there.

Speaker 119 So I didn't love it.

Speaker 44 Right.

Speaker 134 To the point where, like, you know, you go, oh,

Speaker 20 the struggles that I've been through sort of define who I am.

Speaker 114 But it's like,

Speaker 143 there are certain things and experiences and settings in life where you go, I could have, I think I could have done without that.

Speaker 53 Yeah, a few things.

Speaker 44 Yeah.

Speaker 121 I mean, not to get bleak about what, but you can read the book, but like,

Speaker 84 I honestly think it's so important that you speak so truthfully about that stuff, because I think when we listen to your music, like when we listen to the song Outside, when we listen to Close My Eyes, and this is stuff that you really opened up about in Butterfly and had maybe sort of hinted at in your earlier work, but never really got into the darkness.

Speaker 99 And then you started to let us in.

Speaker 92 In reading the book, that's just,

Speaker 91 it obviously had to be painful to be explicit about those things and also to know that there's other people's, you know, feelings and their people are going to have opinions about what you say.

Speaker 3 But it's so important to be so truthful because, I mean,

Speaker 10 people feel seen by it.

Speaker 92 And I want to know, like, do you feel like you felt like a reconnection to your fans again who had already felt that way about your music?

Speaker 95 And then the book made them come back.

Speaker 25 And like, was it even more emotional?

Speaker 129 Hmm.

Speaker 69 I

Speaker 53 loved writing the book. I collaborated with Michaela Angela Davis.

Speaker 109 Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 53 And she's awesome. I mean, when I read the book for the audio, you know, for Audible,

Speaker 53 it was 11 hours of rereading the book. So all the time, you know, spent writing the book and then reading it over and having, you know, what's the guy that comes and

Speaker 96 the editor? Yeah.

Speaker 44 Yes.

Speaker 53 James is his name. Yes.
Hi, James.

Speaker 66 Hey.

Speaker 67 It's time.

Speaker 53 You know, just going through this stuff with the editor and doing all that. And then being like, I'm going to spend 11 hours

Speaker 53 doing this, you know, speaking this book. Right.
And it was right at the beginning of COVID. Right.

Speaker 53 And so

Speaker 53 that was that.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 53 yeah,

Speaker 53 I actually really loved the whole process, the process of writing it and reading it aloud.

Speaker 103 Did it feel therapeutic?

Speaker 53 Yeah, it definitely felt therapeutic. I mean, I was crying when I was writing it.
It was a lot of just intense emotional kind of

Speaker 53 feelings.

Speaker 53 But yeah, it was, it's, it's still, I still, you know, when I see the book and people come and ask me to sign it and everything like that, I'm just like, you know, I feel proud that I, we did this.

Speaker 53 Yeah.

Speaker 20 You know, because it's an opportunity for people to connect with like the truth about your life.

Speaker 78 And I imagine reading the audiobook felt like almost like it is a performance, you know, like besides the singing of the lyrics and your work and this thing that people connect to, it is like you reading about your life experience is its own kind of

Speaker 86 showmanship or something.

Speaker 53 Yeah, well, it's a lot of exposure. Yeah.

Speaker 53 You know, you're exposing your life and these details that you already put out there and wrote but then you're now you're gonna read it and yes sometimes i sang sometimes i decided you know figured out okay i'll sing this or i'll we'll write this and add a melody or whatever

Speaker 81 you know but it's um it's one of my things that i've done that i'm most proud of yeah i would imagine too that like the fun moments of it were probably so fun to relive like even like obviously it was like a tense moment like the divas live of it all, you getting prepared, and Aretha being like, Mariah, they're playing games.

Speaker 109 They're playing games.

Speaker 13 But that had to be so fun to relive, in a way.

Speaker 126 Like, that night, well, that's actually been mentioned on this show many times.

Speaker 53 I know there used to be a skit.

Speaker 44 Oh, my God. There was.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 53 You mean on Saturday night? Yeah, was it?

Speaker 63 It was Anna Gostire, Molly Shannon, and Sherry, right?

Speaker 121 Doing Shania, Mariah, and Celine.

Speaker 39 Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 87 Oh, my God.

Speaker 78 That's so fun.

Speaker 51 That is like truly.

Speaker 87 They don't make a show like that anymore.

Speaker 53 You know what I mean? Yeah, no, they don't.

Speaker 36 They have to. They have to, though.

Speaker 53 I mean, but will it be as big ever? I don't know.

Speaker 49 Look how long it's been in existence.

Speaker 16 You know what, though?

Speaker 92 I would say it's like, that's the type of thing now that you think they would reboot because they're rebooting everything.

Speaker 116 Yeah.

Speaker 135 You know what I mean?

Speaker 91 And so much success comes with like, you know, we're seeing the cast of friends together again.

Speaker 104 Harry Potter gets back together and does an eight-part whatever on HBO.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, they did Mean Girls again, which I want to talk to you about.

Speaker 30 Like,

Speaker 95 I just feels like Divas Live, like, obviously we can't bring everybody back, but like, to have y'all come back and like, I think all get together and some of the, you know, new generation, I think would be amazing.

Speaker 96 It could be.

Speaker 129 It could be.

Speaker 86 I mean, I feel like this has been a really banner year in like.

Speaker 87 women and music.

Speaker 101 And I feel like it's, it's the perfect period on the whole year for you to come back with.

Speaker 53 With the Divas Live?

Speaker 115 Well, with the Divas Vibe,

Speaker 124 but I'm also just saying, like, Merry Christmas, and it's 30th anniversary.

Speaker 44 It feels like it's like synergy there.

Speaker 91 It's like you are the ultimate.

Speaker 83 We've been waiting for you.

Speaker 92 It's been a year when so many people have like made these amazing pop efforts.

Speaker 91 And then at the end of the year, there will be Mariah's 30th anniversary during Christmas, which doesn't get bigger.

Speaker 88 It doesn't get more timeless than that.

Speaker 145 You can't spell culturistas without R-I.

Speaker 154 That's right.

Speaker 155 Rhode Island is the perfect place not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Easters too.

Speaker 11 We're talking about the food Easters, the theateristas, the natureists, the luxuristas, whatever you're in Easter for, you'll find it in the ocean state.

Speaker 160 So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.

Speaker 50 Rhode Island.

Speaker 29 All that.

Speaker 72 Plan your trip at visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 161 That's visitroadeland.com.

Speaker 127 You know how the holidays feel like a full-on production?

Speaker 110 We've got costume changes, emotional monologues, and award-winning family plot twists.

Speaker 112 It's giving holiday spectacular and the star of the show, Stella Rosa Wines.

Speaker 15 When the curtain rises on this holiday season, skip the opening night nerves as Stella Rosa Wines delivers a standing ovation after every sip.

Speaker 38 We're talking festive, delicious main character energy in a glass.

Speaker 164 And listen, if you're stressing about gifts, don't.

Speaker 165 Just grab a bottle of Stella Rosa Wines, or even better, grab two.

Speaker 32 We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 140 So clock out, pour a glass, and let the drama stay on stage this holiday season.

Speaker 166 Finds Teller Rosa wines wherever you buy wine.

Speaker 167 Must be 21 and over. Please celebrate responsibly.

Speaker 178 Big news, Aldi is now on Uber Eats and you get 40% off your first order with code New Aldi25.

Speaker 54 So whether your fridge is empty and you're too tired to shop or you just ran out of essential ingredients in the middle of meal prep, don't worry.

Speaker 159 Fill your fridge in just a few taps and get 40% off your first Aldi order on Uber Eats.

Speaker 98 For orders $30 or over, you can save up to $25.

Speaker 16 Ends December 31st.

Speaker 162 See app for details.

Speaker 21 All right, listen up.

Speaker 22 Four words that will change your life.

Speaker 168 Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruises.

Speaker 57 Okay, that's adding like seven words because you've added so much drama.

Speaker 169 Thank you.

Speaker 12 You're welcome.

Speaker 19 But Virgin Voyages is amazing.

Speaker 175 Go book one like now.

Speaker 26 Beautiful destinations, incredible food, and vibes so luxurious.

Speaker 18 You'll wonder why you ever tolerated buffets and screaming children.

Speaker 153 Because yes, the cruises are kid-free.

Speaker 170 No shade to the little ones, but sometimes grown-ups need grown-up time.

Speaker 10 And the value, over $1,000 worth included.

Speaker 3 Wi-Fi, soda, over 20 amazing restaurants, group fitness, top-tier entertainment, no hidden fees.

Speaker 158 It's almost too good.

Speaker 23 Almost.

Speaker 20 Virgin always has something happening.

Speaker 172 Wellness sailings, DJs, themed parties, live music.

Speaker 173 And destinations, all of them.

Speaker 8 Or the best of them.

Speaker 10 Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, plus Virgin's private beach club in Bimini.

Speaker 34 They're even adding Aruba, St.

Speaker 24 Lucia, Curacao, and a new ship, The Brilliant Lady.

Speaker 152 She's bold and beautiful with that virgin it factor.

Speaker 147 And when it's time to relax, your cabin is your sanctuary.

Speaker 56 Ocean views, private terrace, signature red hammock.

Speaker 31 Learn more at virginvoyages.com or contact your travel advisor.

Speaker 176 As the air turns crisp and the holidays draw near, comfort becomes the best gift of all.

Speaker 167 And Quince delivers layers that last.

Speaker 176 Sweaters, outerwear, and everyday essentials that feel luxurious, look timeless, and make holiday dressing and gifting effortless.

Speaker 162 Quince has it all.

Speaker 144 $50 Mongolian cashmere sweaters made for everyday wear, denim that never goes out of style,

Speaker 28 tops and skirts that add polish, and down and outerwear built to take on the season.

Speaker 165 Perfect for gifting or upgrading your own wardrobe.

Speaker 163 Honestly, Quince Italian wool coats are at the top of my list.

Speaker 161 I mean, the cuts feel designer and the quality rivals high-end brands, but without the high-end markup.

Speaker 16 By working directly with ethical top-tier factories, Quince skips the middlemen and offers prices 50% less than similar brands.

Speaker 166 I've gotten amazing linen bedding from Quince.

Speaker 167 I just bought fun, gorgeous, sumptuous silk pajamas from Quince.

Speaker 42 My first actual pajama set that I'm sleeping in in my life.

Speaker 161 Thank you, Quince.

Speaker 16 You are the most sumptuous person I know.

Speaker 29 Thank you.

Speaker 144 I just love that, like someone like you, one of my loved ones, I can go to Quince and be taken care of when it comes to gifts this holiday season.

Speaker 98 So give and get timeless holiday staples that last this season with Quince.

Speaker 56 Go to quince.com slash cultureistas for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.

Speaker 144 Now available in Canada, too.

Speaker 16 That's q-u-in-ce-e.com/slash cultureistas. Free shipping and 365-day returns.

Speaker 162 Quince.com/slash cultureistas.

Speaker 166 You're one of my loved ones, too.

Speaker 107 Ah.

Speaker 46 Do you get tired of doing all that Christmas, Hugh?

Speaker 23 No.

Speaker 66 She says, No, no.

Speaker 44 Darling.

Speaker 53 It's so funny. We were doing, you know, my show in Vegas and I went out onto the stage during this one part where we

Speaker 53 didn't do the song I was supposed to do, which was Circles for Mimi.

Speaker 44 I love circles.

Speaker 53 I mean, I do it every other night, but on this night I was like, okay, we're not going to do that. And you guys start playing the beginning of All I Want for Christmas is You, and I'll run out there.

Speaker 53 And that's what happened. It was funny.

Speaker 131 It was cute.

Speaker 134 You like Vegas. Because you keep going back.

Speaker 153 It's going back'cause people keep booking.

Speaker 44 Yeah, they keep looking and then they can come to you.

Speaker 53 Well, no, I mean people that work for me.

Speaker 103 Wait, now that we've talked about Circles, I have to ask.

Speaker 92 So we talked about Butterfly, and that's like a landmark.

Speaker 2 Like that is like definitely, you think one of your best.

Speaker 92 Like, I think a lot of your fans would agree.

Speaker 2 But then there was Emancipation. And of course, all your albums are incredible, but Emancipation, like, what did that feel like?

Speaker 26 to like release that and have everyone not not that you proved everybody wrong but obviously there was a there was a period there where there was some tumult for whatever reason.

Speaker 63 And then you come back with emancipation, which is talk about track by track.

Speaker 133 Oh my God.

Speaker 100 I mean, your girl I mentioned before, it's on my intermediate Mariah playlist.

Speaker 44 I love that playlist.

Speaker 68 Yeah, no, honestly.

Speaker 131 It's very tasteful.

Speaker 65 It's very good.

Speaker 121 You'll love it.

Speaker 53 It is tasteful.

Speaker 44 It is tasteful.

Speaker 23 It is tasteful.

Speaker 121 And it's eclectic.

Speaker 92 It's a diverse, eclectic, tasteful mix.

Speaker 53 Eclectic, tasteful mix.

Speaker 141 It's very demure.

Speaker 53 It's mindful.

Speaker 44 not like other girls I felt I was being mindful when putting it together absolutely this was years ago of course wait what do you think about all I've ever wanted being on there because that's an old one yeah

Speaker 53 I don't know no no I like it I like that song like when I think about it yeah yeah it's it's good it's it's not like

Speaker 53 I would do a couple of like kind of genre specific-ish ones like one that with the Mimi songs that are just like your girls, Circles, maybe Fly Like a Break. I can't name them all now, but you know,

Speaker 53 and then Butterfly.

Speaker 84 To the Floor also, that was on the other day and I was like, God damn.

Speaker 75 To the floor.

Speaker 53 Everybody to the floor.

Speaker 155 Yes.

Speaker 69 It's like never released, though.

Speaker 92 What do you mean? Like as a single? Yeah.

Speaker 71 That album was made of singles.

Speaker 63 But then you went to the deluxe, right?

Speaker 91 And then we got Don't Forget About Us, which was a bop.

Speaker 153 Yes.

Speaker 113 I love Don't Forget about it. I wish you knew.

Speaker 87 No, I wish you knew it was on the.

Speaker 2 No, I wish you knew it was on that.

Speaker 44 That.

Speaker 182 See, I listened to that song and for you to do that like arena moment where you're just like talking about it.

Speaker 44 I just did it in

Speaker 53 the

Speaker 131 morning

Speaker 53 overseas as well.

Speaker 117 Overseas as well.

Speaker 68 Overseas as well.

Speaker 53 I knew that the album was strong.

Speaker 44 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 53 So, you know, when it did what it did in terms of the charts and then having it go platinum and then re-releasing and all that stuff, I felt so good. Yeah.
Of course.

Speaker 42 Is there a potential for it to be a trilogy where it's like 3 MC or something?

Speaker 78 You have E at E equals M C squared, but then you have like

Speaker 46 the math is going to fly out.

Speaker 133 The math is flying out.

Speaker 113 I mean, I feel like there's something neat about it being like a

Speaker 128 three part.

Speaker 114 A three pronger. A three pronger.

Speaker 129 A three pronger.

Speaker 44 Like a trident.

Speaker 129 Triangle.

Speaker 96 Triangle.

Speaker 103 Yes.

Speaker 53 I just call it a three-pronger.

Speaker 150 A three-pronger is great.

Speaker 44 A jingle hopper.

Speaker 53 Is there a chance of like another album with a different type of

Speaker 53 like naming it?

Speaker 37 Well, actually, people have drawn the comparison of cautioned into like that sort of like emancipation sort of like sound or like that like philosophy.

Speaker 85 And so like, I don't know, do you consider caution to be like the third installment of this?

Speaker 87 Or do you think like it's coming in the future?

Speaker 128 Like, like, is there a vision for this?

Speaker 53 I think it's coming in the future. Oh, my God.

Speaker 96 Yes.

Speaker 146 Wow. That would be thrilling.

Speaker 118 Okay.

Speaker 53 I just got chills. And I hope you like it.

Speaker 44 Oh, please.

Speaker 63 How many times do you watch Mean Girls a week?

Speaker 44 Oh, I haven't watched it in a while.

Speaker 126 Okay.

Speaker 63 Because sometimes even your favorite movie, you can't, like, I used to watch Clueless, like, at least twice a month.

Speaker 83 And then I have put it away for now.

Speaker 53 I need to put Bring Mean Girls back

Speaker 53 and watch it tonight.

Speaker 2 Honestly, tonight might be the night.

Speaker 53 It might be tonight because in honor of this moment. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 Tina was here and she's thrilled that you love Mean Girls so much.

Speaker 69 She is. Yes.

Speaker 37 I saw y'all play that trivia game.

Speaker 49 Yes, I won. You did.

Speaker 44 You do everything.

Speaker 100 You beat her at her own film.

Speaker 96 Beat her at her own film.

Speaker 69 We love you, Tina.

Speaker 135 What about a return to acting for you anytime soon?

Speaker 48 Because you were brilliant and precious.

Speaker 131 Oh, God.

Speaker 96 Thank you.

Speaker 63 Did you watch the news?

Speaker 53 No, I didn't. I know.

Speaker 131 Slim Close.

Speaker 53 Yeah, I heard all about it.

Speaker 153 What do you think about what you've heard?

Speaker 53 Well, I'm not a person that that likes to watch horror.

Speaker 44 Sure.

Speaker 58 Yeah, it's hard and very scary.

Speaker 53 Yeah, I don't want that to be in my head. No.

Speaker 53 You know, I'll say no. I'll say no to that.

Speaker 89 When you go to Disney World, because we know you're a fan.

Speaker 109 Uh-huh. I am.

Speaker 110 Do you do scary rides?

Speaker 53 I do.

Speaker 59 Tower of Terror.

Speaker 44 That's a classic.

Speaker 53 It's so good. Truly a classic.

Speaker 46 And they better never touch it.

Speaker 86 No.

Speaker 87 You and Ariana Grande have the same feeling about Tower of Terror. She has written an entire notes app statement, a petition basically, to Disney that she has saved, and I can reveal this.

Speaker 101 She wouldn't mind me blowing up this spot, but she is like, if you do anything to Tower of Terror in Orlando,

Speaker 46 there will be years.

Speaker 53 Right, because they did it in LA.

Speaker 104 They made it the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is cool.

Speaker 96 Which is not bad.

Speaker 23 No, it's not bad.

Speaker 69 Yeah, but it's not the Tower of Terror.

Speaker 123 It's not a classic.

Speaker 107 It's training.

Speaker 121 Yes.

Speaker 153 But you can do that kind of spooky scary.

Speaker 53 Well, yeah, but it's also because it's a ride. You don't sharpen down on it.

Speaker 30 But you're in it, you know?

Speaker 115 Yeah, you're in the spook.

Speaker 92 Well, that's the thing is, like, I don't like scary movies at all, but I can do a haunted house because I feel like I can run away.

Speaker 44 You know what I mean?

Speaker 77 It's like when you have me on foot, I'm very spry.

Speaker 44 Mariah, I'm very spry.

Speaker 53 I understand.

Speaker 84 Because I can get away from the terror.

Speaker 103 But when I'm sitting in a chair, it feels like it's happening to you.

Speaker 44 Maybe you identify it.

Speaker 53 Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 98 Do you have top three favorite Disney rides?

Speaker 53 Oh, my God.

Speaker 117 Tower of Terror is up there.

Speaker 53 Tower of Terror in Orlando.

Speaker 117 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 44 Where

Speaker 53 I used to like, and I guess it's not there anymore, Splash Mountain. Splash Mountain.

Speaker 135 It's now Princess Tiana.

Speaker 44 Oh, it is?

Speaker 98 So now it's called,

Speaker 81 we call it Princess Tati's Bayou Dip.

Speaker 26 But it's called Princess Tiana's Bayou Adventure.

Speaker 148 Okay.

Speaker 2 And the story goes that

Speaker 94 she has to collect ingredients and get her band together to create a performance at the end.

Speaker 75 And I hear it's cute.

Speaker 2 Jennifer Lewis is in it.

Speaker 53 Do they still let the drop and everything? You still get it.

Speaker 144 You still get your frills and your thrills.

Speaker 53 Well, I'll give it a shot then.

Speaker 146 Give it a shot.

Speaker 106 Get down there.

Speaker 14 Okay, so that's two.

Speaker 23 One more. One more.

Speaker 137 What else did Disney do?

Speaker 53 Oh, my gosh. Well, it's not Disney, though.
What is it? I was going to say Harry Potter.

Speaker 49 Yeah, I don't know why you.

Speaker 2 This is the NBC Universal Trail 2.

Speaker 23 We love them.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 53 I love Disney.

Speaker 137 Yay, Disney.

Speaker 106 But I do love all the corporations.

Speaker 123 I do all the corporates in the land.

Speaker 117 No one should be left out.

Speaker 44 No one should be left out.

Speaker 51 Speaking of corporations,

Speaker 88 we have a very important question to ask you about

Speaker 31 two lyrics.

Speaker 121 Oh, yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 77 We want to say if you have to choose one or the other of your two lyrics, these are two of our favorite lyrics that you've ever done.

Speaker 60 Okay.

Speaker 97 It's them chickens is Ash and I'm lotion, or

Speaker 44 you a mom and pop, I'm a corporation i'm a press conference you a conversation

Speaker 13 that one yeah that is for all time it's for all time and it really does say what you need to say i mean you're you are you i'm all this

Speaker 49 i'm a press conference you a conversation

Speaker 66 hello

Speaker 2 so so wait and by the way just like Not to call it bizarre, but that is, hello.

Speaker 69 Where does that come from?

Speaker 69 Like when you're

Speaker 123 get that riff together, where does that come from?

Speaker 80 Because it is, no one else would think of, oh,

Speaker 151 it's truly original.

Speaker 119 It's so

Speaker 141 singular.

Speaker 23 How does that come to you?

Speaker 123 I don't know.

Speaker 53 I was just writing the song and that was just an ad-lib after laying it down.

Speaker 92 Are you in the studio being like, play it back, play it back, play it back, and then giving different vocals like again and again and again?

Speaker 53 Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes I do that.

Speaker 132 I think that's the most fascinating part of recording.

Speaker 130 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 94 Like the stacking stacking and the harmonies and like that has to be.

Speaker 53 The stacking and harmonies is so much fun. Yes.

Speaker 96 Yeah.

Speaker 139 Because then you get the sound that you want.

Speaker 131 Yes.

Speaker 120 Yeah.

Speaker 103 When you write, are you hearing it as a full song or are you hearing the bare bones?

Speaker 2 Like when you, when you are struck, is it like you can hear, is it like a turn of phrase that inspires you or is it like a melodic thing usually?

Speaker 3 Or is it always different?

Speaker 53 It's always different. But if there's just like a melody that's coming to me and let's say I'm somebody's playing the piano

Speaker 53 and I'm like, no, play

Speaker 66 da da da da da da.

Speaker 53 You know what I mean?

Speaker 53 But both of those could be different, like melodically on top of each one. Sure.
Because if you're just singing in front of the, on top of the plain one, that's like,

Speaker 117 you can just

Speaker 53 make up anything and it's easy. Something else you have to follow or work around what the keys are doing.

Speaker 128 Right. It's holding the center too much.

Speaker 31 But are you, do you have any sort of synesthesia, you think, about like you hear a sound, but you also sense something else?

Speaker 44 You see it or you feel it, or like, does that make sense?

Speaker 53 It's, yeah, it's a sensory situation

Speaker 53 and you feel it and hear it. And if it's really something that's going to end up being close to your heart, then you just go in and do it.

Speaker 58 And like, how often do you write?

Speaker 132 Like, are you writing like all the time?

Speaker 81 Like, let's just say, like, could you write tonight?

Speaker 53 Not tonight.

Speaker 53 I mean, I could, but I'm like, not, I'm staying in a hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 103 You need your atmosphere.

Speaker 53 Well, yes. And it'd be nice if, let's say, I'm working with a bunch of different people right now.

Speaker 53 And let's say I say, oh, I want to go work with such and such from across town.

Speaker 96 Yeah, from across town.

Speaker 121 My girl across town.

Speaker 137 Yeah, across town.

Speaker 44 I know a guy across town.

Speaker 53 I know a guy.

Speaker 181 I like him.

Speaker 68 Yeah.

Speaker 68 He's all right.

Speaker 44 He's all right.

Speaker 103 He'll do. He's a character.

Speaker 53 He's all right.

Speaker 44 He'll do. He'll do.

Speaker 44 He knows.

Speaker 53 No, but, you know, so

Speaker 53 that's the thing. I would say, let me go work with the guy from across town.

Speaker 53 A really good, let's say maybe

Speaker 53 probably keyboard player is what I usually like to work with. And then,

Speaker 53 you know, we could pick up where we left off. We could write something new, you know, know,

Speaker 53 say I had a different idea. Could we work on this? And then sing it to them.

Speaker 101 But the guys across town.

Speaker 53 Yeah, you got to get there.

Speaker 153 But no, but are you going there?

Speaker 36 Is he coming to you?

Speaker 53 Probably we'll meet at a studio.

Speaker 142 Okay.

Speaker 44 Somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 2 Do you have a favorite studio you record in?

Speaker 99 Like, is there like an iconic place that you go that like you feel like brings out a certain Mariah-ness?

Speaker 53 The iconic studio of my house.

Speaker 107 There you go.

Speaker 83 I mean, we were so happy during the pandemic when

Speaker 83 you were giving it to us.

Speaker 44 Those were great. Those were real.

Speaker 2 So we belong together in particular.

Speaker 40 That was amazing.

Speaker 96 Thank you.

Speaker 2 And also, wait, shout out to that thing you did recently.

Speaker 91 There was like you and Brandy together.

Speaker 53 Oh, that was fun. We did the roof.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 106 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 53 I need to see Brandy.

Speaker 109 Hi, Brandy.

Speaker 137 Where are you?

Speaker 104 She's a legend, too.

Speaker 53 She's amazing.

Speaker 163 Just one of those like all-timers.

Speaker 30 All-timer.

Speaker 2 I always say, have you ever?

Speaker 140 Oh, my God.

Speaker 91 Have you ever is one of those songs?

Speaker 63 Yeah.

Speaker 136 It's like you hear it and you're like, oh, wow.

Speaker 74 And then you actually like, you attempt to sing it.

Speaker 146 It's so ranging.

Speaker 153 It's so ranging.

Speaker 111 But that's another, because I think the beginning of that song is also

Speaker 16 all stacked. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 53 That was sort of. She loves to do that.
Yeah. She's really, she's great at that.

Speaker 131 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Because when we were working together, she was like, we were having fun stacking,

Speaker 109 adding little parts.

Speaker 13 Because you guys, together, your voices together, it's extremely complimentary.

Speaker 53 Oh, I love her voice.

Speaker 78 I love it so much.

Speaker 76 I remember it was actually the night of the Grammys.

Speaker 20 I was with Ari and she was telling me at the time it was not officially up, but she was like, Mariah's going to be on the SEN remix.

Speaker 31 I was like, oh my God.

Speaker 65 The Yes N remix is going to be such a gag.

Speaker 22 And then we saw Miley go up.

Speaker 88 And then, like, I just remember it being such a nice moment where everybody in the room was just so happy for you.

Speaker 53 It really was a nice moment. Yeah.
Say, even all the history that we have with the Grammys.

Speaker 66 Dino Wars.

Speaker 35 They can still still make it right.

Speaker 136 Well, they can't ever really make it right, but they could do something.

Speaker 77 Need it in the middle.

Speaker 2 Like we meet that guy.

Speaker 53 Meet that guy. If you can make it happen, why not?

Speaker 118 We have our own award show called Culture Awards. Oh, you do?

Speaker 87 We're doing a big venue.

Speaker 22 We might give Butterfly a Retroactive.

Speaker 66 Why don't we?

Speaker 53 Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

Speaker 83 Album of the Year. Album of the Year.

Speaker 65 We're going to do that.

Speaker 142 We're an official awards body.

Speaker 56 We are an official awards body.

Speaker 94 You can win the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar, the Tony, and the Cult.

Speaker 51 That's the Culture award.

Speaker 44 So you can win the Cult.

Speaker 106 The Culture.

Speaker 44 But your culture. Your culture.

Speaker 142 So, you know, stay tuned.

Speaker 131 And we're done with that. I'll write it down.

Speaker 44 I'll write it down.

Speaker 83 By the way, whenever you call, also from that album.

Speaker 66 One of the great regions.

Speaker 81 That is a, that, and, I mean, I loved it with you and Brian, but just to how it was too, like, that is, that's like all-time Mariah to me as well.

Speaker 96 Thank you.

Speaker 181 Love.

Speaker 51 That's a good one.

Speaker 20 Also growing up, I remember there's an Irish band, Westlife.

Speaker 103 Yeah.

Speaker 103 I love Westlife.

Speaker 20 And I mean, you have your own against all odds, you know, track, but then I liked it when I really, I also really enjoyed the way these guys were featured.

Speaker 53 They came up to the studio in Capri where I was working. Yeah.

Speaker 53 And that's when Simon, was Simon Kell?

Speaker 76 It was Simon. I think it was Simon.

Speaker 53 Yeah, he was their manager. And they came up there and we filmed it and everything.
Yeah. And they, the guys did their parts and I kept mine.

Speaker 142 Those are some cute guys.

Speaker 44 They were adorable. They were adorable.

Speaker 113 And I love that video because it is like one of those, and we need videos like this where it's in the, it's just shot in the studio.

Speaker 106 It's everyone's singing. Everyone's just singing it.

Speaker 44 Yep.

Speaker 111 I mean, and you belt in that song.

Speaker 119 Yeah. Oh, my God.

Speaker 44 I love that song. Anyway.

Speaker 60 Well, wait.

Speaker 146 Okay.

Speaker 132 Before we get to it, I don't think so, honey, I have to ask one more question, which I promised myself I would ask.

Speaker 147 Can you drop that grunge album?

Speaker 66 I know, right?

Speaker 60 Drop it.

Speaker 53 I'm so mad that I haven't done that yet.

Speaker 131 But you don't have to be mad because you're in control.

Speaker 69 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it.

Speaker 53 I am, but who do I drop it with?

Speaker 107 should we start a label maybe

Speaker 63 you're gonna just put it just put it you know what would be kind of chic if you just put it out on like a garage band or something like a grungy thing i could do that

Speaker 65 it's a good album i want to hear it oh you haven't heard any of it no i mean we've heard we've heard like what you allowed us to hear yeah just those little snippets but like we need to hear that okay and the fact that you still hear that incredible

Speaker 53 that was just like i was getting life from that.

Speaker 77 Yeah, you could tell.

Speaker 53 Seriously.

Speaker 182 But that's like the prince in you.

Speaker 22 Like, that's like the genre thing. It's like, oh, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 86 Like, I can, I'm a musician. I'm an artist.
I can do it in any kind of thing.

Speaker 53 And it was jokes as well. There were lots of jokes.

Speaker 136 See, and I want to hear what the jokes were at that time.

Speaker 53 I mean, they're everlasting.

Speaker 109 They are everlasting jokes.

Speaker 84 Everlasting jokes title them out.

Speaker 145 You can't spell culturistas without R-I.

Speaker 154 That's right.

Speaker 155 Rhode Island is the perfect place not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Easters too.

Speaker 11 We're talking about the food Easters, the theateristas, the naturistas, the luxuristas.

Speaker 9 Whatever you're in Easter for, you'll find it in the ocean state.

Speaker 155 So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.

Speaker 50 Rhode Island.

Speaker 29 All that.

Speaker 72 Plan your trip at visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 161 That's visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 127 You You know how the holidays feel like a full-on production?

Speaker 110 We've got costume changes, emotional monologues, and award-winning family plot twists.

Speaker 112 It's giving holiday spectacular and the star of the show, Stella Rosa Wines.

Speaker 15 When the curtain rises on this holiday season, skip the opening night nerves as Stellar Rosa Wines delivers a standing ovation after every sip.

Speaker 38 We're talking festive, delicious main character energy in a glass.

Speaker 164 And listen, if you're stressing about gifts, don't.

Speaker 165 Just grab a bottle of Stella Rosa Wines, or even better, grab two.

Speaker 32 We listen and we don't judge.

Speaker 140 So clock out, pour a glass, and let the drama stay on stage this holiday season.

Speaker 166 Find Stellar Rosa wines wherever you buy wine.

Speaker 167 Must be 21 and over. Please celebrate responsibly.

Speaker 178 Big news, Aldi is now on Uber Eats, and you get 40% off your first order with code New Aldi25.

Speaker 54 So whether your fridge is empty and you're too tired to shop, or you just ran out of essential ingredients in the middle of meal prep, don't worry.

Speaker 159 Fill your fridge in just a few taps and get 40% off your first Aldi order on Uber Eats.

Speaker 98 For orders $30 or over, you can save up to $25.

Speaker 16 Ends December 31st.

Speaker 162 See app for details.

Speaker 21 All right, listen up.

Speaker 22 Four words that will change your life.

Speaker 168 Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruises.

Speaker 57 Okay, that's adding like seven words because you've added so much drama.

Speaker 169 Thank you.

Speaker 12 You're welcome.

Speaker 32 But Virgin Voyages is amazing.

Speaker 34 Go book one like now.

Speaker 26 Beautiful destinations, incredible food, and vibes so luxurious.

Speaker 18 You'll wonder why you ever tolerated buffets and screaming children.

Speaker 50 Because yes, the the cruises are kid-free no shade to the little ones but sometimes grown-ups need grown-up time and the value over 1 000 worth included wi-fi soda over 20 amazing restaurants group fitness top tier entertainment no hidden fees it's almost too good almost virgin always has something happening wellness sailings djs themed parties live music and destinations all of them or the best of them grand cayman jamaica puerto rico plus virgin's private beach club in bimini they're even adding a Aruba, St.

Speaker 24 Lucia, Curacao, and a new ship, The Brilliant Lady.

Speaker 152 She's bold and beautiful with that virgin it factor.

Speaker 147 And when it's time to relax, your cabin is your sanctuary.

Speaker 56 Ocean views, private terrace, signature red hammock.

Speaker 31 Learn more at virginvoyages.com or contact your travel advisor.

Speaker 26 This episode is brought to you by Ross.

Speaker 64 When you're out holiday shopping, do you have a go-to store?

Speaker 7 A Santa's secret weapon?

Speaker 64 You know, a gifting hot stop?

Speaker 28 If you don't, you should.

Speaker 4 And it should be Ross.

Speaker 18 Ross has everything you need for the holidays, And I mean everything.

Speaker 98 And they have it for less.

Speaker 171 Let's say you want to get your sister, who you call sis because that's cuter, a sweater.

Speaker 4 I mean, everyone loves sweaters. Well, Ross has amazing sweaters and jewelry sets because your sister probably deserves jewelry too.

Speaker 56 And everything is 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices.

Speaker 27 And I don't just mean sweaters and jewelry. We're talking about toys, beauty sets, all kinds of fashion, and decor.

Speaker 9 So if you're hosting a holiday party, go to Ross.

Speaker 64 Oh, and get a snow glow because it's not the holidays without a glass ball of swirling white stuff.

Speaker 35 You know, I'm right.

Speaker 4 Thanks to Ross's amazing prices, you can do more with less.

Speaker 27 That's not just holiday magic, that's year-round magic. But right now, we're just talking about the holidays.

Speaker 7 So, find your nearest Ross and go work your magic this holiday season.

Speaker 92 Okay, so now we'll do Out of Think So, honey, because I'm happy we've now convinced you to release it and we can count on it.

Speaker 118 Yes,

Speaker 106 I should.

Speaker 109 No, you're right.

Speaker 71 Honestly, and just know that no one's forgotten about it after you dangled it.

Speaker 148 So,

Speaker 44 I've forgotten

Speaker 44 people.

Speaker 46 Okay, this is I Don't Think So, Honey.

Speaker 110 This is our segment that we do on this podcast each and every time where we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture that needs a ranting.

Speaker 74 And I'm going to do it because two women really tore me up this morning.

Speaker 20 This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey's time starts now.

Speaker 40 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 18 Hoda Kotby and Jenna Busch Hager making me cry this morning.

Speaker 100 I was already feeling an emotional type of way because I knew Mariah was coming and I was so excited.

Speaker 136 And then Hoda has announced she's leaving the Today Show and her and Jenna Bush Hager sobbing at each other. Ma'ams, you didn't have to be so legendary at us.

Speaker 168 That was so emotional. They are so real.

Speaker 2 We've met them before. They are incredible.

Speaker 136 Hoda, I support you in whatever you do, but not making me sob like this.

Speaker 146 Seriously, I was on my way to listen to,

Speaker 136 I was trying to listen to Mariah get prepared and I had Hoda Kotbi making everyone break down.

Speaker 13 It was like we had lost a great leader this morning on the Today Show.

Speaker 146 All of them clasping hands like they were like ready for the Titanic to go down.

Speaker 141 I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 136 It really feels like the end of an era because it is.

Speaker 122 Hoda, we love you.

Speaker 2 Please don't leave NBC Universal for Good. Please come do some special reports.

Speaker 92 We love you, but also spend time with your kids and babies, as it were.

Speaker 136 And we love you, Hoda, and we'll miss you every day on today.

Speaker 85 And that's one minute.

Speaker 142 I mean, it was major news.

Speaker 112 Like, I was like, the Times, Washington Post, they were all like breaking.

Speaker 22 Hoda Kabi announced that she's leaving today.

Speaker 179 It's like, that's in the middle.

Speaker 63 It's going to be a huge void.

Speaker 35 I'm ma'am.

Speaker 92 Like, you take for granted, Hoda, Hoda every day on the today show.

Speaker 22 Just a comfort.

Speaker 22 It was giving the Broad City finale, like the two of them saying goodbye to each other.

Speaker 118 I was like, ooh, these girls.

Speaker 51 Yeah, we love you, Hoda.

Speaker 76 We love you, Hoda.

Speaker 72 And Jenna. That was a really special moment.

Speaker 92 Okay, this is Bo and Yang's.

Speaker 44 I don't think so. Okay.

Speaker 22 Are you ready, Bo? I am ready.

Speaker 2 This is Bo and Yang's.

Speaker 135 I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

Speaker 44 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 182 Boxing Day, the day after Christmas, sometimes celebrated in Canada and the U.S.

Speaker 87 This is the origin of Boxing Day.

Speaker 70 It was a day meant for servants and poor people so that they could get gifts.

Speaker 113 And now it's just an extra day to shop.

Speaker 70 So it's giving class, it's giving like class warfare either way you slice it.

Speaker 43 You know, it's like a holiday for poor people.

Speaker 182 It's giving separate but equal. Just lump it in with Christmas and don't extend the holidays.

Speaker 102 After the 25th, we're done.

Speaker 70 This, our guest, this legend is off the clock.

Speaker 182 Don't make her work a second longer than she needs to.

Speaker 115 Just implies that, you know, oh, well, then people have to make a Boxing Day album.

Speaker 82 No, no, no.

Speaker 93 25th, it's over.

Speaker 70 It's curtains. The holidays are a time for joy and peace and togetherness and warmth and all these cozy things.
The 26th, it's a weird number.

Speaker 136 I don't like it.

Speaker 85 1226, we're in that dead zone between then and New Year's, and it should stay that way.

Speaker 132 And that's what I meant. He says on 926.

Speaker 136 New Year's overrated.

Speaker 40 New Year's overrated.

Speaker 146 Because it's like,

Speaker 87 you know what?

Speaker 86 I had a great time just staying in the city for New Year's this past New Year's.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. We stayed in the city and stuff.
We usually do a trip.

Speaker 49 Uh-huh.

Speaker 14 A trip on New Year's is always overrated.

Speaker 53 Definitely because you're surrounded by drunk drivers

Speaker 131 and all of that.

Speaker 109 Stay local.

Speaker 84 Stay local. Stay local.
Stay chill.

Speaker 36 Also, it's like when you're a kid, New Year's is fun because it's like you're staying up till midnight.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 80 And then all of a sudden, the novelty of that is gone.

Speaker 94 It's like I'm up till midnight

Speaker 30 each and every night.

Speaker 44 There you go.

Speaker 19 I'm not a nerd.

Speaker 139 Anyways, no, actually, these days I am going to bed early.

Speaker 119 I am going to bed early.

Speaker 71 okay mariah carry are you ready do you have something on your mind

Speaker 53 there's always something on my mind yeah but we are excited to say this is mariah carry's i don't think so honey her time starts now i don't think so honey listen i can't with the overhead lighting oh why do they do it to us why and i shouldn't even say us because it's not us it's me i'm the one that gets the most tortured by the hideous lighting in every elevator doorway

Speaker 53 gyms.

Speaker 53 Not that I go to the gym, but I'm just saying it's hideous lighting. The sun.

Speaker 53 The sun is okay if it's at sunset.

Speaker 53 And then I will gladly go outside and put the, you know,

Speaker 117 hat on or whatever.

Speaker 53 And that'll be pretty because it's sunlight caressing your skin. Of course.
But it's bad for you. So you got to be careful of that.
But overhead lighting, I don't think so, honey. Please stop it.

Speaker 53 Every place I go,

Speaker 53 shut the lights. 15 seconds.
Turn them out. I don't want to see them no more.
Yes.

Speaker 107 No more, honey.

Speaker 120 There's 10 seconds. One more thing.

Speaker 53 One more thing on overhead lighting. It makes me sick.

Speaker 66 Imagine.

Speaker 108 The fact that we got Mariah Carrie's I don't think is on the overhead lighting is an all-time work

Speaker 103 How do we do it today?

Speaker 44 We did today

Speaker 53 because these are like you know here and here.

Speaker 84 I noticed that you know that I said to them really I was like let's get this lighting together.

Speaker 41 We cannot miss on this you guys.

Speaker 20 I think people are catching up to you like with the lighting.

Speaker 53 They're trying.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Well, you know, now it's like we're going to clue everybody in on this. Like a classic gay guys' apartment now is no overhead lighting.

Speaker 121 It's just mood lighting and different forms.

Speaker 119 That's it.

Speaker 125 And it's a little sexier that way.

Speaker 96 Those little orbs that are a little bit different.

Speaker 44 Those orbs on the floor.

Speaker 44 Yeah.

Speaker 100 Those like soft orbs around.

Speaker 76 What's the home rig?

Speaker 22 Like what's the home situation?

Speaker 53 I feel that the best way is

Speaker 53 recessed lighting. Yeah.

Speaker 53 And then you're walking and it's like splash of light.

Speaker 44 Yeah. Splash of light.

Speaker 53 You know, it's not anything more than that that's needed.

Speaker 44 Sumptuous.

Speaker 36 Sumptuous. It is.

Speaker 131 Sumptuous.

Speaker 36 I think that's a word, if you can try to include that in a single time.

Speaker 53 Try that for that next time.

Speaker 121 Yeah.

Speaker 125 No, no, no, I'm saying.

Speaker 70 No, and a song.

Speaker 80 And, you know, it's a sumptuous in a song.

Speaker 53 I feel like I did that.

Speaker 109 I'm sure you have.

Speaker 53 I don't know if I did.

Speaker 44 Wait, there was a word.

Speaker 84 There was a word just now in your album. Thanks so much.

Speaker 77 Caress.

Speaker 69 Caress.

Speaker 66 Yes.

Speaker 44 Okay, wait.

Speaker 104 Them babies, are you excited to to take them to see Wicked?

Speaker 53 I'm excited to hang out with them whenever I can. Yeah.

Speaker 53 Like, they're just always doing something else.

Speaker 108 Are they 13?

Speaker 53 Yes.

Speaker 35 Now.

Speaker 93 You had them on 12 last year, though.

Speaker 53 Yeah, I did. They were 12.

Speaker 22 They were 12.

Speaker 44 And now, but it's such a difference.

Speaker 58 Teens or teens now.

Speaker 53 I know. I can't think about it.

Speaker 109 I'm going to have to rant again.

Speaker 108 Them babies?

Speaker 97 Are them teens?

Speaker 44 Are them teens now?

Speaker 20 This is so sublime. Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 48 We,

Speaker 94 I mean, I just can't say enough.

Speaker 130 Like, like I said, like, I think you're so much of the reason why, like, I am who I am.

Speaker 95 And thank you so much for everything that you've given of your talent, of your gift, of your songwriting.

Speaker 130 I mean, we could sit here and talk to you forever. You really are just the best and you will always be that for me.

Speaker 81 And I'm so happy to meet you.

Speaker 131 Thank you so much.

Speaker 76 The way you've you've shaped the culture and the industry and the way you've shown people how to navigate it is truly invaluable.

Speaker 124 And

Speaker 20 we all think.

Speaker 23 There's a hero.

Speaker 91 We end every episode with a song.

Speaker 80 Oh.

Speaker 122 And actually, this one, I really want more respect on this one.

Speaker 121 Okay.

Speaker 107 Dream of a cum rescue.

Speaker 107 Take me up, take me down, take me any way you want to be now.

Speaker 44 And for the rest of that, you can listen to the fantasy record.

Speaker 53 That's music box.

Speaker 44 That's music box!

Speaker 66 Twin is cut it out!

Speaker 66 Do not let me have all this knowledge and then flap at the M's.

Speaker 66 How can that happen? Do not finish flying.

Speaker 123 Oh my god, thank you for it.

Speaker 179 Lost Culture East is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and Night Heart Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 177 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani.

Speaker 72 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Laborde.

Speaker 123 And our music is by Henry Kverski.

Speaker 62 Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is.

Speaker 62 I'm doing my whole album, Have You Heard of Christmas, plus a lot more, with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com to see me in a city near you.

Speaker 111 Ever ask yourself, what am I capable of?

Speaker 10 Ford believes only you can answer that, even if others try to do it for you.

Speaker 48 You're the one who defines your legacy, chases the horizon, engineers your dreams, conquers the curves.

Speaker 41 That capability, it's in you, just like it's built into every F-150, Bronco, Mustang, and every other Ford vehicle.

Speaker 9 Because whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right.

Speaker 155 Ready?

Speaker 32 Set.

Speaker 43 Ford.

Speaker 31 Visit Ford.com to learn more.

Speaker 145 You can't spell culturistas without R-I.

Speaker 154 That's right.

Speaker 155 Rhode Island is the perfect place not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Easters too.

Speaker 11 We're talking about the food Easters, the theateristas, the natureistas, the luxuristas.

Speaker 9 Whatever you're an Easter for, you'll find it in the ocean space.

Speaker 155 So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.

Speaker 50 Rhode Island.

Speaker 29 All that.

Speaker 72 Plan your trip at visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 161 That's visitroadisland.com.

Speaker 178 Big news, Aldi is now on Uber Eats and you get 40% off your first order with code NewAldi25.

Speaker 54 So whether your fridge is empty and you're too tired to shop or you just ran out of essential ingredients in the middle of meal prep, don't worry.

Speaker 159 Fill your fridge in just a few taps and get 40% off your first Aldi order on Uber Eats.

Speaker 98 For orders $30 or over, you can save up to $25.

Speaker 16 Ends December 31st.

Speaker 162 See app for details.

Speaker 110 I'm stressed.

Speaker 81 I got invited to a Friendsgiving, and now there's the big question of what to bring.

Speaker 36 Well, just bring a bottle of Casamigos.

Speaker 61 Oh, Casamigos, of course.

Speaker 72 Nothing brings people together like a batch of Casamigos margaritas.

Speaker 122 A Casamigos margarita really is the perfect cocktail.

Speaker 51 Plus, Casamigos goes with everything.

Speaker 35 Turkey, stuffing, mac and cheese.

Speaker 42 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too.

Speaker 132 Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743.

Speaker 5 Anything goes with my Casamigos.

Speaker 63 This Friendsgiving, you know what everyone will be grateful for?

Speaker 179 Casamigos?

Speaker 61 I was going to say you and Casamigos.

Speaker 44 Oh,

Speaker 101 let's keep it in that order.

Speaker 7 Please drink responsibly.

Speaker 63 Imported by Casamigo Spirits Company, White Plains, New York.

Speaker 27 Casamigo Stequila, 40% alcohol by volume.

Speaker 56 No one's journey is the same.

Speaker 10 That's why Delta Sky Miles moves with you.

Speaker 21 From earning miles on reloads for coffee runs, shopping, and things you do every day to connecting you to new experiences, a Sky Miles membership fits your lifestyle, letting you do more of what makes you you.

Speaker 5 It's more than travel, it's the membership that flies, dines, streams, rides, and arrives with you.

Speaker 176 Because when you have a membership that's as unique as you are, there's no telling where your journey will take you next.

Speaker 52 Learn more at delta.com/slash skymiles.

Speaker 1 This is an iHeart podcast.