"Drink Juice and Spill Tea" (w/ Rachel Bloom)

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Speaker 2 Look, Matt.

Speaker 2 Oh, I see. My eye.
Oh, why? Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Goodness. Wow.
Las Cultureistas.

Speaker 2 Ding-dong. Las Cultureistas calling.
Tactile as ever, I think. Yeah, I will say Matt kind of webbed hand.

Speaker 2 Feeling very connected to you today. And as of late.
I'll always, but like,

Speaker 2 always. The sisterhood is really real.
The sisterhood is real. I mean, let's just set the tone.

Speaker 2 Matt just got off a red eye. I'm kind of running on paltry sleep.
And not that that this was like labored for us, but like it's our guest. Like we have to show up.

Speaker 2 When family comes through, you show up for family. And I believe that's the Olive Garden slogan.
You show up for family. When family comes through.
When family comes through.

Speaker 2 Rule of culture number 27. The olive garden slogan is when family comes through.

Speaker 2 You show up for family.

Speaker 2 I think that is so true. And let's just get right into it because our guest is someone who figures very, very heavily into the lore.
We talked about this the last time she was on.

Speaker 2 I mentioned this in whatever, the most recent big, long, extended interview where it was Michael Schulman, legend, and he was just talking about like this time in my life.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I think I want to go to med school, but I don't. For the New Yorker.
For the New Yorker.

Speaker 2 And I was like, Rachel Bloom took me out to a gastro pub outside of USC and told me, maybe you shouldn't do that. Maybe you should actually do comedy because it's what you love.
Maybe become the star.

Speaker 2 No, no. You've always meant to be.
And that's what she said that day. She looked at you in her eyes and said, you are meant to become the star.

Speaker 2 Was this before or after we had our iconic Vapiano? This was before Vapiano. This was what we were still in school because we went to USC for the Fracas Improv Festival.
And this was the beach.

Speaker 2 Rachel kind of planted the seed crystal. Or, you know, whatever the, that's not an expression.
Can I say I'm an expression I'm starting to hate? Whoa, here we go. This person is mother.
It's so dumb.

Speaker 2 Well, we're like in that moment, like it was true. And also it's become true for her in real life.
It's become true for her in real life. She is mother.

Speaker 2 And her little daughter is writing song parodies. Apple Don't Fall Far From the Tree.
Very that. She has, there's a song called Spooky Scary Skeletons.
And now speak on that.

Speaker 2 Now this little girl, literally little girl,

Speaker 2 little girl, wrote a song parody called Poopy Little Skeletons.

Speaker 2 Her mother's daughter. Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 Her father's daughter, Dan Gregor, don't forget the legend. I mean, what is there to say about our guests? She is true.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Were you at Showtune Sunday on Fire in the Pines this summer when they were playing? Oh my God. Yes.
CG. Generalize About Man.
Constantly gets played. Everyone off book on Let's During.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 Do you know that? No. This is really, I mean, that's, it's a huge honor.
And honestly, you know what else was great about it?

Speaker 2 I'm sitting there watching it and not for one second did I think like, oh my God, that's our friend up there. I'm like, yo, that's just an iconic video that should be up there.

Speaker 2 I was like, that's, and then like later, I was like, that's Rachel. That's Rachel.
This is, that's an Emmy Golden Globe winning star of our hearts, an American treasure.

Speaker 2 The best award, though, is the TCA Individual Achievement and Comedy. And I know that you know.

Speaker 2 That's a really hard one to get.

Speaker 2 They only give it to one person. It's ungender, they only give it to one person.
They only give it to one person. She has a fantastic special coming out on Netflix.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Death, let me do my special October 15th. Please watch.
Everyone, please welcome Rachel Bloom in shades.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I'm wearing sunglasses

Speaker 1 because I forgot there was an on-camera portion.

Speaker 2 We didn't tell you. We didn't remember.
what. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 But I so anyway, I am wearing very little makeup. At some point, I'll take the shades off, but I went, well, I want people to be impressed, right?

Speaker 1 Because you've had all these famous, fancy, like done-up glam people on.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to look like I just stepped out of a convertible and took a scarf off of my head.

Speaker 2 You know, what's crazy is you were coming up the stairs and I was like, and I had my breath taken away. So you coming up.
Yeah. Oh, what are you talking about? I don't ever lie.

Speaker 1 That makes me very, we have so much to get into because as you recall, we recorded it. So last time I was on Los Culturists, it was seven and a half years ago

Speaker 1 in the apartment of

Speaker 2 it was the sound engineer's apartment on Atlantic Avenue.

Speaker 2 It's another era. Another era.
Sure was.

Speaker 1 I got in there. I was hungry.
I made him feed me. Yes.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And which is why I brought my Starbucks egg bites this time. Kale and spinach.
So I wouldn't, so I wouldn't make anyone feed me. But I'm laughing because you just talked about the TCA award.

Speaker 1 And that's exactly what you talked about seven and a half years ago.

Speaker 2 True, you know what?

Speaker 1 You went, so at the time I hadn't had the Emmy up, but you were like, You won the golden goal. You're like, she's golden globe, and you're like, and the TCA award, which is actually my favorite.

Speaker 1 And then you, you do like five to ten minutes on why the TCA is the best award in the same almost exact wording of now, and you're still correct.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 1 That's probably the one you look at on the shelf of awards and think, actually, it just, I was cleaning my shelf and it just dropped and it's made of pure glass.

Speaker 1 It didn't didn't break thank god but i was like i need to move this award this is going to be a problem

Speaker 1 closer to the floor yeah yeah so rachel comes in and goes i have notes based on the last time notes on the last time i was here on the show and i am gripped with fear no no no it's all great it's all wonderful well wait first of all though wait sorry i have a lot time out my daughter i feel like you'll appreciate this please i'll show you the video but i feel like i should put it in the mic yeah so our nanny

Speaker 1 who's a drag race fan, while I've been gone, is training my daughter on what's going to be her workroom entrance to this place?

Speaker 2 We have to know.

Speaker 2 It takes training.

Speaker 1 It does take training. I got sent this video.

Speaker 2 Wait, do it in the mic so they can hear it. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Action.

Speaker 2 I came here to drink juice and

Speaker 2 spill tea. But I already

Speaker 2 finished racing.

Speaker 2 I came here to drink juice and spilled tea. And I already drinked my juice, honey.
That's winner. Drink juice.
Winner and spill tea is is the title of it.

Speaker 2 Unreal.

Speaker 1 It's truly unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Was she coached? Well, yeah. Well, so our nanny coach.

Speaker 1 So our nanny.

Speaker 2 Yes, no, she definitely didn't.

Speaker 2 She doesn't know what she's doing.

Speaker 1 She's very clearly off. I'll show you after this.
Like, she very clearly off camera with someone's being like,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, she do have nerve. It's.

Speaker 2 But she hasn't watched drag race yet. Your daughter.

Speaker 1 When I was breastfeeding, I watched non-stop drag Race.

Speaker 2 Talk about this idea because I really, really think that if I were to have a child, I would be totally in on this.

Speaker 2 Like, you wanted Space Jam to be the first thing that she listened to as she entered this planet. Do you feel like osmotically this is the idea?

Speaker 2 Like you want to just like download into her all these different things?

Speaker 1 I think that they hear stuff in the womb.

Speaker 1 There's evidence that babies, you know, they spend nine and a half, 10 months hearing this, especially the vibrations of their mother's voice and like just, you know, whoever they're around.

Speaker 1 And so it does,

Speaker 1 they kind of come out knowing the voice is familiar to them. Yes.

Speaker 2 But it's not like you're not doing that. And maybe you are, but is it like the, it's the Mozart thing.
It's like, oh, play classical music.

Speaker 1 There was, definitely was a little bit of, as I was breastfeeding her watching non-stop drag race. Also, it was lockdown.
Yeah. So I had nothing else going on.

Speaker 1 And I was a little sad because it was a very intense time. So I watched, I binged all of the drag races that I hadn't watched before.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of them. Pretty joyful.

Speaker 1 I've tried to re-watch it with her. Anything that is in cartoon, she gets bored by.

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 2 What's she into? Cocomelon? What's she like?

Speaker 1 I wear a cocomelon-free household.

Speaker 2 I won't let her watch it.

Speaker 2 And was it a part of the life at one point? And then you were like,

Speaker 1 I just heard you have to stop the cocomelon. So she gets to watch that when she's at my writing partner, Elene, she gets to watch Cocomelon.
She's at Auntie Aline's.

Speaker 1 But in our house, we have a zero cocomelon tolerance. I mean, her favorite show right now is Gabby's Dollhouse.

Speaker 2 Oh, Gabby's Dollhouse is a huge head. Heavy.

Speaker 2 From the girls? The girls. My nieces love Gabby's dolls.
Okay, okay. Who's Gabby? What's her deal? So

Speaker 2 is this a high concept?

Speaker 1 Gabby's a girl.

Speaker 2 It kind of is.

Speaker 1 Gabby's a girl, but really, she's probably 18 by now, the woman who plays her.

Speaker 1 She's a girl who sits alone in her bedroom and has a cat named Floyd. And there's a big dollhouse.
Again, like, this is an almost grown woman, but she has a dollhouse.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 every episode, like she'll be like, it's Floyd's birthday. Or she'll, every episode, there's, there's like a ramp in her room where a gift comes down on.

Speaker 2 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Keep going.

Speaker 2 Keep going. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 The gifts come out of the ramp.

Speaker 1 So there's a little ramp. The gifts come down on wheels.
And then she goes, it's a dollhouse surprise.

Speaker 1 And then, so it's like also an unboxing video because then she opens it and it's a little teeny thing. She goes, oh my gosh, this must, it's a backpack.
We're going camping in the dollhouse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then she goes, it's time to get tiny.

Speaker 2 And then she grabs a stuffed animal.

Speaker 1 She goes, pinch on my left, pinch, pinch on my right. Grab Pandy's hand and hold on tight.
And then she shrinks down into the dollhouse and suddenly it's an animation.

Speaker 2 Oh, so it's supernatural.

Speaker 1 I thought you meant the show supernatural that was on the C-deck.

Speaker 2 No, I never mean that.

Speaker 2 I almost never mean that.

Speaker 1 Supernatural, there's this amazing Reddit group called, what?

Speaker 2 That was my Siri. I'm sorry.
Wait, was my Siri? Your Siri just went

Speaker 2 on.

Speaker 1 Also, do you have a male Siri?

Speaker 2 That's the default now, which let's talk about that later, but keep going. Interesting.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. We are going to gender Siri.
Yeah, I want to see her. She's a woman.

Speaker 2 Okay, keep going. Wow.

Speaker 2 You believe Siri's a woman.

Speaker 2 And I'm not saying like in terms of

Speaker 2 a dynamic, a subservience.

Speaker 2 Siri is a woman.

Speaker 1 Shut up. She has a vagina.

Speaker 2 These gay men series.

Speaker 1 She's going to be in tubes. I could get her pregnant with my cum right now.

Speaker 2 They're trying to put men in roles of servitude.

Speaker 1 I don't want to fuck man, Siri. I'm not going to ask man, Siri, how to get me to Panera.

Speaker 2 Siri's a woman.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Point me to my bread, woman.

Speaker 2 Point me in the direction of my bread.

Speaker 2 You faceless woman. You cis woman.
Yeah, faceless cis woman. Vagina having woman.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. Wait, how do we we even know? So Gabby came in.
So Gabby shrieks down.

Speaker 1 It's like supernatural.

Speaker 2 I just don't want to.

Speaker 2 You got me.

Speaker 1 If there's a group song, I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You can match pitch. Although I did always.

Speaker 1 I did that fucking TikTok thing.

Speaker 2 Uh-huh. The doe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a shrinking.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make sense because you have to go off key.

Speaker 2 You do. It's weird.
And also, so this is another thing. I saw this gay guy do it and he was like, doe.
And he was like, doe.

Speaker 2 And he goes, oh, do i have to and he goes dough and then it works

Speaker 2 yeah so so it's an octave specific thing so then that's that's oh well that's why it took me a minute to even get dough yeah but also i think you have to be on a specific pitch for their dough it wants men to sound like men and women to sound like women like siri like siri

Speaker 2 that's the truth we're not coming back from the siri mode i cannot believe i insisted that siri was

Speaker 2 i no because i honestly that's gonna be number one article on deadline tomorrow. That's the poll.
Bowen Yang demands. Bowen Yang demands Siri BS6.
Apple change the woman. Siri BS6 woman.

Speaker 2 Do better. Do better, Apple.

Speaker 2 Siri is a woman, and you took a job away from a woman. And isn't it hard enough?

Speaker 2 Isn't it hard enough in this town? It is. Which town?

Speaker 2 Any town. Any town yet? Anytime.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they would change Siri from woman to a man because that means you have to now pay Siri more.

Speaker 2 Right. Wait, speaking of women, Gabby.

Speaker 2 Gabby.

Speaker 1 So she goes in the dollhouse, she goes on adventures, and then she shrinks back up.

Speaker 1 There's a great Reddit, subreddit called Daniel Tiger Conspiracy, which is a bunch of parents, I don't know if you've heard of it, thus, going crazy

Speaker 1 who come up with conspiracy theories about the children's shows that they are forced to watch.

Speaker 1 And it's named after Daniel Tiger's neighborhood.

Speaker 1 The conspiracy theory about one of the theories about Daniel Tiger's neighborhood is that it's a

Speaker 1 communist monarchy

Speaker 1 and that somehow they're all communist, but they're forcing the monarchy at gunpoint to remain in their stations, but they're also making the monarchy work side by side.

Speaker 1 Like the, like, the prince in Daniel Tiger is a waiter at the restaurant and also babysits. And it's like, but he's a prince.

Speaker 2 Right. I wish my brain worked like that.

Speaker 1 Well, it's also a bunch of parents who haven't slept.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the theory about Gabby's dollhouse, I want to say that my husband, he and that Gregor and I were talking about and elaborate on is that Gabby, because Gabby's dollhouse, I think, premiered premiered in 2020.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 That Gabby is in a pandemic era experiment. Yeah.
That she's a girl on lockdown because you never meet her parents. You only see her bedroom.

Speaker 2 She has COVID. She's frozen into her.

Speaker 1 She's frozen into, or she's in some sort of isolation experiment. Yeah.
And they mess with her by sending in the gifts on a little.

Speaker 2 ramp. Oh.

Speaker 1 And she's slowly going insane.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 1 that's why she's like, she shrinks down into her dollhouse that this is all a woman hallucinating who's slowly going crazy from being isolated from society.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the cartoon is a disassociation. Yeah.
Because the highlight of her day has already happened. She's been given a small gift on a conveyor belt.

Speaker 2 So that's when she realizes, oh, that's as good as it's going to get today. Yeah.
Yeah. And she drifts.
And it's been an extended four-year hallucination. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can we apply this? Are there conspiracies that we can apply to like children's shows that we grew up on? Oh, I love this. Yeah.
Yeah. So what, like, start Sesame Street? Are you a Sesame Street girl?

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Like, is that like a post-nuclear fall? That's what I was about to say.

Speaker 1 It's a post-it's New York City in the year 3000. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, we're back in like a bronze age, not bronze age, but like, but like we're post-technology, post-tech technocalypse.

Speaker 1 Well, it's kind of like society restarted like in the end of WAL-E. Remember how they almost have to restart culture?

Speaker 1 But, and this a little bit goes into the unified Pixar theory, which I don't know if you've heard of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I've heard of this.

Speaker 1 But anyway, so nuclear war has warped some animals animals to become, of course, bigger versions that speak in human tongues. But there was a section of society that knew the bomb was coming and

Speaker 1 they

Speaker 2 hid in a bunker.

Speaker 1 And that's why you also have regular humans.

Speaker 2 Got it. Oh, got it, got it, got it.
You ever met someone in real life and you're like, oh, I can't say who this is, but there's a person in my life who is a Sesame Street adult.

Speaker 1 And that like they love Sesame Street. It's like a dissolute.

Speaker 2 The way that they interact in the world is kind of like, and this is on video, so I'll just do it. They kind of walk like this.
Whoa.

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 1 Do you know these people? I know someone exactly like that. I wonder if we're talking about the same person.

Speaker 2 No, I don't think, well, maybe we'll. No, there's no way.
There's no, I don't think so. There's literally no way.

Speaker 2 But I'll say this person is a part of the gay community.

Speaker 2 And whenever I see them, I'm like, why isn't there a furry friend next to you speaking and wanting to know about like how babies are made or like wanting to count A through Z?

Speaker 2 Some people just have it. And I think that's...

Speaker 1 I know it's straight, so it's definitely there's two different people.

Speaker 2 Or Or in the closet. Well, with you.
Here's the thing. Any straight person you know could be in the closet.
And that's actually real culture number 50.

Speaker 2 Any straight person you know could be in the closet.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought it was specific to me or just anyone. Well, anyone.

Speaker 2 I think anyone.

Speaker 2 Of course. I don't know.
I think that people probably would feel so comfortable being gay around you because you're such an ally.

Speaker 1 I've had numerous people

Speaker 1 come out like I'm the first or second person.

Speaker 2 I feel like that is a badge of honor. Do you wear it as well? I love it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I go,

Speaker 1 because I don't, I don't make a big

Speaker 2 where's your badge because i don't i don't make a big deal i go won't show eyes won't show tips that's great yeah yeah it's great

Speaker 2 what if i just was topless but still kicked the sunglasses on

Speaker 2 it would be good it would be ally behavior it would be it would wait there's nothing wrong with being a sesame street there's no like no no i love it i in fact i sort of identify with it a little bit there's moments in my life where i know i'm on one like when i'm having like a like an anxiety response to do more, where I'm like, you're being Sesame Street adult right now.

Speaker 2 You're being Maria. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I have that too, where it's the show pony part of me that wants to

Speaker 1 perform and impress and cover.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yeah.
But I have another layer to add on to this conspiracy about Sesame Street, which is please.

Speaker 2 There are

Speaker 2 weapons grade like hallucinogens involved. But I guess any children's show is a hallucination.

Speaker 1 That's that's the thing is you can kind of any children's show that goes into another medium like cartoon

Speaker 1 or claymation. Yes, yeah, you're on acid.

Speaker 2 Sesame Street has like this psychedelic quality to it, though, where it's like it's variety.

Speaker 2 It's like you go in, there's interstitial stuff, and you go into like different little movements throughout the episode. And that is kind of really special.

Speaker 2 Wait, can I ask a question about Snuffleopagus? Can I get like to the bottom of something? Oh, yeah. No one can see him except Big Bird.

Speaker 1 What is it? Yes. So they changed this, though.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 In the mid 90s. So snuffle up against is real.

Speaker 1 And Big Bird was like, snuffy's over there, but it's the type of gag where snuffle up against would disappear just when someone else came in.

Speaker 1 So everyone thought it was Big Bird's imaginary friend, but it wasn't. Now, I want to say it's in the early mid-90s.

Speaker 1 They realized this could be really bad messaging for children who were being sexually abused.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 1 a child would say, this is happening to me.

Speaker 1 And then they'd watch Sesame Street and people would be like, oh, Big bird there's no snuffle upigis we can't see him so there's an episode of Sesame Street where everyone sees snuffle up against and they go big bird

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry

Speaker 1 snuffle up against has been here the whole time I apologize to you big bird that was the episode where they broke down what gaslighting meant

Speaker 2 this is a very special episode on gaslighting period I love you pointing out that it's your favorite word it has become America's favorite word It's everywhere. It's everywhere.

Speaker 2 It's the words gaslight and narcissist have taken over.

Speaker 1 I've been using those words for 15 years and now everyone's using them

Speaker 1 and they're not wrong.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you've been using them since college. I wonder why.
Oh, God. Well, can I just say the person who taught me what gaslighting was, the word, was our friend Mike Spence.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's a very like NYU comedy group word. It's a film thing, too, because it's the movie about it.
It's gaslighting. Yeah, okay, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 2 I feel like we've known about the word. The three of us have known about the word gaslight because we had the privilege/slash dishonor of going to NYU and being in the comedy groups.
Yes.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Yes.

Speaker 2 And can I say something? I want to correct the record. I have love for all of those people.
I've loved all of them. I've lost 95% of those people.
So this can connect to your notes from that episode.

Speaker 2 But we talked about

Speaker 2 the wedding that was thrown for us. Yes.
And I want to say, as shitty and annoying as that was and like in retrospect, no one's

Speaker 2 happened.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't, we're not butthurt about it today.

Speaker 2 We're not like, that was traumatic. It's just an important part of the lore of our friendship.

Speaker 1 I do also want to, that person shortly after that episode came out did reach out to me and say that they were hurt by

Speaker 1 my dismissive tone. And especially because I wasn't there at the wedding.
So I, you know, I was being catty.

Speaker 2 It wasn't, I've apologized.

Speaker 1 But I'll apologize again seven and a half years later.

Speaker 2 I was just being catty.

Speaker 1 I was tired.

Speaker 2 And you hadn't eaten.

Speaker 2 I hadn't eaten. Was it avocado toast that was made for you? Probably.
Yeah, I think it was. I think I remember that.

Speaker 1 No, I wouldn't have made someone chop up an avocado smash the avocado.

Speaker 2 I think it was just a little bit of a toast.

Speaker 2 There was toast.

Speaker 2 Yes, it was toast and maybe some butter on the toast.

Speaker 1 That sounds like me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
What are your notes on the episode from seven and a half years later? I had a lot of thoughts. Okay.
Oh, boy. So, this is, what was the title of the episode? The wedding.
The wedding.

Speaker 2 That's literally the title of the wedding. The wedding with Rachel Bloom.
This is an episode that I guess we did in what, 2017? It is. Hold on.
Let me put it up.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to be. I'm still recovering from a cold.
This is not cocaine.

Speaker 2 No problem. It could be.
If it was, no problem. Something.

Speaker 1 I guess. I mean, it looks like it is cocaine with my sunglasses.
Should I take off my sunglasses to prove it's not cocaine?

Speaker 2 It's not cocaine. Look at it.
Can I just say it's just your eyes are so beautiful that to hide them would be

Speaker 2 yeah. Now show your gorgeous face.
Show that TCA-winning face to America now.

Speaker 1 This episode is from April 12th, 2017.

Speaker 2 Wow. Jesus.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. What are you doing? Here's some notes.

Speaker 1 At 8.21, Bowen is working in an office with a floral campaign.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you were, I think you were graphic designing.

Speaker 2 I was graphic designing for

Speaker 2 Kings Lane e-commerce.

Speaker 1 So there was a floral campaign.

Speaker 2 God, this is so viscerally crazy.

Speaker 1 Now you got hired to write for SNL, what? 2018. Less than, so this is about a year after this episode happens.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Within a year, I was, yeah, I totally switched jobs.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I think, so we talked about, obviously, me talking out of medical school. You must be even more glad now that you didn't go to medical school.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Absolutely.
Rachel. You can't go viral on medical school.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess you can in the bad way.

Speaker 2 You can go viral.

Speaker 2 He could have been, no, he could have been like a fun doctor who lip-synced. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 Because then you wouldn't even have to go out and get the scrubs. You would just be wearing them.
And he could have done an incredible Christina Yang, like, unbearable monologue from Grayson Adams.

Speaker 2 Totally. And I would have loved the pots and pans being banged for me.
You know what I mean? Yeah, you would have loved that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Imagine being a medical professional who was just like, yeah, surviving in that moment, being like, finally, my time. They're finally recognizing what I do.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. My friend did say

Speaker 1 a couple months after Co, my friend who's a doctor was like, yeah, so a couple months ago, we were all heroes and getting cookies. And now no one cares and we're sad.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 Terrible.

Speaker 2 Okay, continue. Okay.
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 First of all, I had forgotten how much you both watched Crazy X Girlfriend and really watched it.

Speaker 2 So I want to thank you you for

Speaker 2 one of the great shows.

Speaker 1 You asked me, this is before season three. You said, is Robert a thing in season three? And I said, I can't say.
So now I can answer, which is kind of.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Finally. That's a great answer, too.
Because it kind of is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's this kind of secret that comes out.
And it's what causes Josh Chan to turn on her.

Speaker 2 That show was so fucking.

Speaker 2 And we'll talk about this as it relates to it. As it relates to the special.

Speaker 1 well, here, I'll go back. There's something that relates to special, but I'll go back to it.
Okay, throughout our conversation, I keep going hilarious instead of laughing.

Speaker 2 That's a very comedian thing. You don't laugh, comedians don't laugh.

Speaker 1 That's not something I do. I got it.

Speaker 2 You will laugh for that.

Speaker 1 Aline Brosh McKenna does that. And I was around her so much.
Yeah. She goes, huh, hilarious.

Speaker 2 Instead of laughing,

Speaker 2 hilarious. That's halfway to a laugh.
I've heard.

Speaker 2 Hilarious. I've heard that there is one showrunner whose iconic thing is to say, instead of laugh, she goes, that's funny.
And that's how you know it is the opposite of that. That's funny.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like her way of turning down a joke.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you who it is later. Okay, great.

Speaker 2 It's not Elene, just not Elene. No, Elene never.
Hilarious. You are such a laugher, though.

Speaker 1 I'm such a laugher. And so I listen to that and I'm like, this is so weird.
And I'm like, oh, I've been, I was hanging around Elene so much. I think, and I think I was also really tired.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And hungry.

Speaker 2 You pick things up in rooms with people that are the authorities. Like, I remember

Speaker 2 I picked up from Chris Kelly and Sarah Schneider the blank of it all.

Speaker 2 Like, we're talking about the carry of it all. We're talking about the brook of it all.

Speaker 2 And then I started saying that all the time because it was just a catch-all.

Speaker 2 And it just happens. It's osmosis, a word you used earlier.
Osmotically. Oh.

Speaker 1 Anyway. Maybe you should have been a doctor.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a real medical term. If you hadn't been meditating more, what would have been your focus?

Speaker 2 I was going to be lazy and do orthopedics because it's not gory blood. I mean, it is gory, I guess, but it's like

Speaker 2 you have to do surgery. You don't necessarily have to, but you're just setting bones.
And then you're like, oh, great, I made $400,000 this year or something like that. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm actually really glad you didn't go to medical school because

Speaker 2 there's very little.

Speaker 1 I actually really, there was a part of me when I was younger that was dabbling with being a doctor because I loved blood and gore.

Speaker 2 Still do?

Speaker 1 Ever since I've become a parent,

Speaker 1 my tolerance, and it's not just in kids, my tolerance for all violence and blood and gore has gone down. My heart, and I say it in a special way, my heart has just been cracked open

Speaker 1 and I'm lame now.

Speaker 2 No, no. You know what? It's the door has been open.
And no matter how hard you try, you can't.

Speaker 1 You can't close it. And it's just like, but even I was watching the Menendez Brothers thing on Netflix.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 And you see her hand get like shot off.

Speaker 2 I had to skip all the time. That's a crazy fucking scene.

Speaker 1 It's a really crazy scene. And it bothered me in a way

Speaker 1 that there was just something about having a kid suddenly, and maybe it's also because I've now lost a friend,

Speaker 1 the combination of that suddenly gore and

Speaker 1 grief and loss is not something that's over there. It's very real.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it destroys me. The second Avatar movie.
Okay. Oh, yeah.
What are the whales?

Speaker 2 The whales. Yes, the whales.
The tocun. But that's crazy.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 how do you know? Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. Because I saw the film so many times.

Speaker 1 So this is how much being a parent has fucked me up.

Speaker 1 So the scene where they kill the, it's the tocoon. It's the tocoon.
The scene where they kill tocoon, and then she's a mother.

Speaker 2 Her baby is strong.

Speaker 1 Her baby is strong, and then she goes, she was a singer of songs.

Speaker 2 She was a composer of songs.

Speaker 1 I kept thinking about the baby because you never see the dead baby.

Speaker 2 But it is dead.

Speaker 1 So when I got home, I couldn't stop thinking about it.

Speaker 2 I googled. Tocoon.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dead. Baby, dead or alive? Because I wanted to find some sort of Reddit or corrupt thread where someone had a theory that the baby was alive.
No. That's how much I can't read the news.

Speaker 2 You can't even theorize about it. It was a fact the baby did.

Speaker 1 The idea of like you've killed a mother and the baby whale also died because she didn't have the milk. This is a fictitious alien whale.
I know. And I'm grieving.
And it's all I could think about.

Speaker 2 I never could really do like horror, but then what's crazy is like, it's the violence that bothers me. Yes.
Like I couldn't watch that scene in Menendez for that reason.

Speaker 2 And I kind of just like, I've always been very sensitive to that. I'm documented on this podcast as being like really sensitive to gore and horror and stuff.

Speaker 2 But when people die in movies, it like, it hurts my feelings. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And in the way where I'm like, like, even if I'm writing something, I don't, I very rarely kill characters and like things that I write.

Speaker 2 Like even back in the day doing sketch comedy, I rarely had people die because I just think it's sad.

Speaker 1 I mean, I, I feel like constantly, you know, the classic way to end a sketch was for just

Speaker 2 someone to do this. Just Just like back in the day.

Speaker 1 So I wrote on the show Robot Chicken, where, like, if someone isn't exploding,

Speaker 1 I ended numerous sketches when I wrote for Robot Chicken with someone like shitting themselves to death.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I knew the way to get in a Robot Chicken sketch was to end the dialogue going, HURG,

Speaker 1 which is someone shitting themselves to death. And it's spelled H-U-U-U-U-R-R-R-G-G-G-G-G H-H-H-H.
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Speaker 2 The final H is important. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 You say this in the special, which is that, like, you see now that all children are fragile, and therefore, the bigger idea there is like everything is fragile. Of course.

Speaker 2 And that's why you're like, tocoon, dead, or alive. Like, I need to know.
It doesn't matter that it's a fictitious whale. It's like everything, even the imagined stuff is fragile.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 It's too, yeah. Yes, you're absolutely right.
And in fact, when I was a kid, kids are fucked up.

Speaker 1 Kids have a really fucked up since a few years because when you're a kid, a lot of times you don't have much to lose. So it's like why teens make dead baby jokes.

Speaker 1 It's like there's a hardness, there's a lightness, there's an I'm going to live forever. Death and

Speaker 2 grief and a lot of bad things

Speaker 1 are so far away.

Speaker 1 And I'm, it's just not, that's not who I am anymore. And it's weird because I used to have a really high tolerance for stuff.

Speaker 2 Even out of everyone that we did sketch with, you were like kind of known as the darkest one. I mean, we did like that.

Speaker 2 We were never in the group together, but famously, like at the end of the year, all the seniors would get to do their own thing.

Speaker 2 And it was just, they just read all your black outlines and how blue they all were. Like how dark and they all were.
Wasn't that your bit? I remember that. Oh, my God.
I forgot that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was just like, I remember that.

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, I'm a dark.

Speaker 1 That's half me being a dark person, also, me cosplaying as a comedy, a guy in comedy, which we talked about seven and a half years ago.

Speaker 2 Yes. Um, and I do want to get back to the notes.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. We talked a lot about our college comedy groups.
Yeah. And it's interesting.

Speaker 1 I can't go into specifics, but in sharing my story, which was that I was, you know, got caught in this love triangle and I was removed as director of Hammercats.

Speaker 1 I have since heard stories about other women in years behind me. Yes.
When I thought the groups were better going through other things, 100%, not dissimilar to that. Yeah.
And it's numerous stories.

Speaker 1 Yes. And I have some bones to pick.
Not with you two, but I have some other bones to pick.

Speaker 2 Interesting. Off-mic.

Speaker 2 Or

Speaker 2 not with us. You're saying not with us, but we would.

Speaker 1 No, no, not with. No, no.
You guys aren't the problem. Not with you two.
I have bones to pick with various other people.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was inserting myself in that being like, well, we would love to know off the mic, but

Speaker 2 we're not even privy to that information necessarily. No, I'll tell you off mic.
Okay. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But I I think it's interesting because that was seven years ago and I could, and I still, I mean, I wrote about it in my book.

Speaker 1 There's something that, I don't know, college is very formative. Like stuff that happens to you, your brain is still forming.
I think your brain's not fully formed until you're 25 or something.

Speaker 1 Something like that. Then there's a reason these experiences mold you and shape you.
Anyway, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think about the way I was back then and I'm like, Jesus Christ. This is great.

Speaker 1 So first of all, right, this was, you were a week away from being on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Oh, gosh.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What ended up happening? I won $5,000. Great.

Speaker 1 I've said that. I think I knew this, but I wanted, I'm sure you said it.
I just wanted to.

Speaker 2 Well, I went out to Vegas with Sudie, who was my

Speaker 2 photo friend. Phone a friend, but at that point, they were just doing like plus one.
Like, she sat behind me in the audience and then came out.

Speaker 2 I guess they finally figured out that phono friend could be very easily like, you know, you could cheat because your friend could just be

Speaker 2 googling it. They caught up to the age of technology and the friend was there.
So we were there. And Chris Harrison from The Bachelor was the host who did not like me.
And I could tell.

Speaker 2 And he like did this thing where, so I got on a second episode because like we ran out of time. And then I had to come back out for the second episode.

Speaker 2 And I guess I messed up my entrance and he didn't like that because I guess it was the end of the day. And so

Speaker 2 he wanted to go home, I guess.

Speaker 2 He did give a very, I'm over this, very tired energy. Like he was doing the job, but like very like, I'm half awake.

Speaker 2 And I'm Chris Harrison, which was kind of his whole thing anyway, which I think made him a good host of The Bachelor because no one was looking at him.

Speaker 2 They were looking at like the guy and then the girls because whatever. Just a perfect vanilla host.

Speaker 2 And then he, when I did my entrance to come out the second time, I went to shake his hand and he pulled my hand.

Speaker 2 And you can actually see in the video me like come off my feet a little bit because he was like trying to do like a male dominance. Like don't, don't mess around.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was a jerk. Total jerk.

Speaker 2 And I remember me and Sudie were, we went to commercial break and he did did the thing where it's like the host is talking while everyone claps and you go to commercial.

Speaker 2 And he literally did that thing of like, and now's the part we pretend to talk.

Speaker 1 So what? So is that Jesus?

Speaker 2 You know what? Like everyone's allowed to have a whatever day, but that was my experience.

Speaker 1 That would be mean to condemn. Cause then you'll share it on here.

Speaker 2 Share it on a podcast. I'll say it on Lost Coach.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think so. It's like that reporter who's now going back retrospectively and being like, these are some of my worst interviews.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one with Blake Lively.

Speaker 1 But then also, there's like one with Anna Hathaway, and like, and I was like, oh, that's, yeah.

Speaker 2 But do you blame them? No. Well,

Speaker 1 oh, do I blame them?

Speaker 2 Look, press junkets are.

Speaker 2 They're exotic. Look, press junk.

Speaker 2 Press junkets are.

Speaker 1 Also, I got Gel X for the first time.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, those are fucking stun. Gorgeous.
Show the camera. I will say, it's like,

Speaker 1 but picking my nose is harrowing.

Speaker 2 That's okay. Just

Speaker 1 no, because I'll stab stab myself.

Speaker 1 I guess I can tweezer it.

Speaker 2 Press junkets. Press junkets.
Talks about press. Press junkets are really, have you ever done like a proper, have you guys ever done like a proper journey? I feel like I'm a little bit more.

Speaker 1 So you're in a room. You're in the same room for three hours.
They bring people in. It's tiring.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You say the same shit over and over again.

Speaker 1 I think what's messed up is that

Speaker 1 for other people to notice these interviews and for them to go viral.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the internet.

Speaker 1 There's something a little messed up about the journalist exhuming it because it's a little bit like there's a little bit of a therapist client confidentiality because you're both in it together.

Speaker 1 You're both in the trenches together.

Speaker 2 I get it. I don't think it's cool.

Speaker 1 It's juicy.

Speaker 2 You're right.

Speaker 1 It's juicy, but also like it's a, it's a little bit of like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just stop.

Speaker 1 It's your work, colleagues, a little bit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yeah.
I guess my thing is just like the thing with Chris Harrison was like, it was like I had that experience, whatever. And then like a few years later, he said all that, like, whack shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, when the bachelor was having a lot of like, there was a lot of conversations about like race with the bachelor. And he really kind of like doubled down.

Speaker 2 No one needed to expose him for being whatever way because he kind of was like, he

Speaker 2 unveiled himself as a little bit of a jerk.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows he's a piece of shit. I have to believe, and this has been proven numerous times.
that if someone is mean to you in the industry,

Speaker 1 the world will figure it out.

Speaker 1 That if they're mean to you, if they're mean to you, you're not an isolated experience. You don't have to go on a public tirade against them.
They are going to out themselves. Yes.

Speaker 1 And that has now happened numerous times where I'm like, the world will take care of them.

Speaker 2 That's for love culture number eight. The world will take care of

Speaker 2 them.

Speaker 2 You know, we've had this discussion about this Taylor Swift quote. She says, trash takes itself out every time.

Speaker 2 You don't think that's true. I kind of, I'm not every time.

Speaker 1 Not every time.

Speaker 2 Did I say I don't think that's true? I think it, not every time, but I think trash will likely take itself out eventually.

Speaker 1 That's what I think. It might smell up the house.

Speaker 2 I just think the media, especially if you're like a well-known person nowadays, the media is so sensitive and it's like anyone can like pull something up from a long time ago.

Speaker 2 Like there's records of everything with the internet. It's like you can't really hide who you are, especially now when everyone's on like an authenticity hunt.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Because it's like, that's what people get off on and that's what people connect to.

Speaker 2 And so it's like, I almost think it's the reason why we're seeing this shift away from like the Diane Sawyer type interview and more towards the like Alex Cooper thing with Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 Like it's just, everything is becoming a lot more casual because I think people are attracted to it. But that casualness is going to cause people to, therefore, act very casual.

Speaker 2 And when someone acts casual like that, they're going to show who they really are.

Speaker 1 Well, the access is just different.

Speaker 1 30 years ago, someone did an interview.

Speaker 1 You couldn't then re-watch that interview unless you taped it on a VHS. Exactly.

Speaker 1 But now that interview is forever, so people can scrutinize. I'm not even talking about things that happened to myself as much as just.
what happens.

Speaker 1 Like you can go and be like, wait a second, this is crazy. It's just the access to how people act at every moment.
Yeah. It's so,

Speaker 1 just the technology wasn't there 30 years ago. Like

Speaker 1 growing up,

Speaker 1 my ideas, I'm sure your ideas of like, I want to be a star.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 What that meant was different. Yeah.
Like when I thought I want to be a star,

Speaker 2 I ended it. It came true in the words of Anhat.
I would have.

Speaker 2 Sorry. There you go.

Speaker 2 It came true.

Speaker 2 Who was the lady who read for the wrestler who went all of the people?

Speaker 2 Wrestler. Melissa.
Melissa.

Speaker 2 Melissa Leo. Melissa Leo.
Oh, there are people. Oh, the fighter.
The fighter.

Speaker 2 There are people up there.

Speaker 2 The people up there. Wait, wait, forget about it.
And when she said the word fuck, and it was, she pretended like she didn't want to, but it was so clearly she was going. The hunt for authenticity.

Speaker 2 I respect Melissa Leo. She, she, no, no, no, no.
Hey, she went a great campaign. Hey, she did it.
She did it.

Speaker 2 She succeeded.

Speaker 1 The thing that I keep also seeing that social media and the world rewards that I guess I need to be better at is shamelessness.

Speaker 1 I have very rarely seen people who are schmoozy in a cringy way.

Speaker 1 Mostly they get rewarded for it because they're not being bad people. They're just being schmoozy.

Speaker 1 I see them getting rewarded for it, even though it makes me sometimes cringe the way it is. And this is also just social media spawn con.

Speaker 1 I very rarely see that cringiness get

Speaker 1 attacked online. I don't think, I mean, online attacks.
I don't think anyone should be really attacked online.

Speaker 2 Totally, totally.

Speaker 1 It's been three weeks with this cough.

Speaker 2 It happened.

Speaker 1 I hope that's not foreshadowing. I hope you don't play this episode back in seven years.
And I was like, that was when it began.

Speaker 2 Don't come back and talk about it anymore because that's always what happens. It's like people are like, when I die, what I want is...
And I'm like, don't give them that.

Speaker 2 Because, like, don't ever be on camera being like, I guess the last thing I'd ever want to say is. It's like, what are you doing? You're going to use that in the true crime documentary.

Speaker 2 Or it's just, you're just putting that energy out there. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 i gave i gave do you remember do you know remember jeff ekman yeah yeah jeff one time we gave each other our like death request our request if we were to die this is when i was 20.

Speaker 1 and one of my requests was that he somehow kick dick cheney in the balls sure

Speaker 2 very 2007 2008 very

Speaker 1 how is he gonna get access to dick cheney how would he i also he might get he himself might get assassinated if he tried to kick dick chene in oh certainly so

Speaker 1 do I still have that request?

Speaker 2 Kind of. Pass.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to get into it.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like, well, the whole thing with the Cheneys is it's like, all of a sudden we're like, and thank you, Liz Cheney.

Speaker 2 It's like, Liz Cheney has been one of the worst people in government for such a long time.

Speaker 2 And her having basic humanity right now and like not being a complete fucking moron is like now she might watch when she's like in the cabinet. I can't go.

Speaker 1 Oh, the bar is so, I mean, when you think back on Mitt Romney's Binders Full of Women.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Oh,

Speaker 2 I long for

Speaker 1 binders full of women.

Speaker 2 Oh, remember BIAA! Remember when Biazov's woman went?

Speaker 1 I can, the things that ended, remember when Marco Rubio was thirsty?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Oh, the water.
He just kept drinking water.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Howard Dean scream ruining his career is.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We are far from that.
I think that's when the internet...

Speaker 1 Was that, what year was that?

Speaker 2 2004.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I feel like that was the inner people being like, wait, on the internet, you can replay things.

Speaker 2 You can clip it and and distribute if i were to do it all over again even at nyu media studies major oh or so or something sociological or something i'm like i need to know i like i love especially now as like an adult i'm like i want to know how these things work as we're talking about like media literacy and like what like being like a public-facing person means now like i'm like oh i need to i really want to like pop open the hood oh yeah so what i was going to say was when i was a kid and i was thinking and i was watching the golden globes or the oscars and being like oh that's what being famous is what i never what never never occurred to me, what I never thought about, because it wasn't possible was like, I want to be at a place where I can post a thought

Speaker 1 about something that has nothing to do with the work that I'm doing.

Speaker 1 And that thought will be, I will be seen as either an expert or scrutinized for it. That was never a part of being, you had to go out of your way.

Speaker 1 When we were growing up, in order to like be a celebrity and make a statement on something, you had to like really go out of your way. You had to say it like during an award speech.

Speaker 1 You had to make it a point in an interview. It was more rare.
And now that everyone is expected to be an authority and expert on everything and everything is on the record. At all times.

Speaker 1 At all times is really, and I'm not even talking about if you're a celebrity, it's toxic for everyone because everyone is fundamentally imperfect and in a constant state of learning.

Speaker 1 And it's just such, we're in such a world of glass houses right now.

Speaker 2 It's crazy. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like you stand a certain way or you stand a certain place and it's like like a statement on things you know what i mean it's like

Speaker 1 it's like you know what i mean like it's just it's silly it's dumb like i also remember when they and this is this is 15 years ago i remember when they asked child justin bieber at abortion yeah it's crazy and he was like i don't know it seems sad it's like killing a baby and it was like justin bieber is anti-abortion it's like he's a Canadian child what are you

Speaker 1 well he's not an abortion he's singing baby baby he's not what are you doing I also think like when also his songs about babies of course he's gonna air on the side

Speaker 2 of pro-baby.

Speaker 1 Of pro baby.

Speaker 2 His meal ticket.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, and it's also big baby.

Speaker 2 It's big babies out there.

Speaker 2 He was a baby. He was a baby.
And I just want to say, just to just to quickly put a point on this, period on this, is never liked dead baby jokes, even as a teenager. Okay, let's get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't like dead baby jokes at all. I,

Speaker 1 you are better people than that.

Speaker 2 No, that's, no, no, no. And that's not.
I just, I never got it even as a 14-year-old when kids were doing it. I was like, this is upsetting.

Speaker 1 So for, you know what it was for me? And I would say like this with dark humor, and this is why I also went to Hammer Cats, I was dark.

Speaker 1 So I grew up in Southern California by the beach, where everyone was,

Speaker 1 if you weren't happy, you covered it.

Speaker 1 It is a happy, beautiful place. I was just there this weekend.
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 And if you're unhappy,

Speaker 1 which I was a lot of the time, you feel crazy. Yeah.
Because you're like, I'll take off my sunglasses first because this is important.

Speaker 2 You're like,

Speaker 1 there's something wrong with me. Why would I be unhappy here? The sun is out.
Everyone around me is happy.

Speaker 1 Santa's on a surfboard when it's Christmas because that's the aesthetic of like Southern California Beach Christmas. It's always Santa on a surfboard.
Yes.

Speaker 1 He's wearing like the Santa clothes, but he's in shorts and he has the

Speaker 2 Pax Santa.

Speaker 1 How could you be unhappy around Pax Santa?

Speaker 2 Around Pax Santa.

Speaker 1 And so I think that I looked,

Speaker 1 I went to a very dark place sometimes because I looked for validation of the darkness that I felt inside myself. Yeah.
That wasn't being validated on the outside. And the East Coast.

Speaker 1 You had to go to New York.

Speaker 1 So like Long Island. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Half the year, like Long Island fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 Totally. Like it's like gross.

Speaker 2 It reminds you that life is suffering by nature of the seasons.

Speaker 1 Even winter, winter reminds you that life is fundamentally suffering.

Speaker 2 But if it's all and it allows you to change because you realize that time is passing, it's sort of like Gabby. You know what I mean? It's like she lives in that

Speaker 2 simulation all the time and never changes. That's why she's an 18-year-old, four-year-old.

Speaker 1 So my existence was more like Gabby's dollhouse. Right.

Speaker 1 Then had I lived on the East Coast. Right.

Speaker 1 So I did things like,

Speaker 1 you look for dark humor like Dead Baby Jokes. You, I read The Exorcist for an eighth grade book report.
And I wrote about The Exorcist.

Speaker 1 And that's a dark, that book is not appropriate for a 13-year-old.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 She fucks herself with a crucifix.

Speaker 2 Sure does.

Speaker 1 I mean, she talks about like.

Speaker 2 Pazuzu and all.

Speaker 1 It's really, wait, what's the Pazu?

Speaker 2 Pazuzu is the name of the demon that possessed her.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's Pazuzu, right? Oh, I did did the thing where she was,

Speaker 1 there's a part of the Exorcist book where she's being interviewed and she's speaking

Speaker 1 what they think is a foreign tongue and they play it back and she's speaking backwards and she says, no one, my.

Speaker 1 And I recorded myself doing it on the computer and then played it backwards and it's I am no one. To hear my own voice at 13 go, I am no one.

Speaker 2 Oh, I am no one.

Speaker 2 Fuck. See, that's the, that's really.

Speaker 2 If things playing backwards in songs, like that shit, like the urban legends and everything, no, no, no, no. I should do that.

Speaker 1 You should.

Speaker 1 I should make a song where there's like a

Speaker 2 a backwards message that's just like really subliminally in there it's like i died i died in 2008 i am i'm now an illuminati robot uh okay

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Speaker 2 Okay, wait.

Speaker 1 This episode seven and a half years ago.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. So we were talking about award shows.
Sure.

Speaker 2 Here's what's great.

Speaker 1 It is without question the person who's going to be nominated for big awards is you. And that Bowen will be coming to award shows with you.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. That ended up being so different.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Life is long.
Life is long. Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 And it should. But it's just very funny because you've now been to the primetime Emmys way more than I.

Speaker 2 But you've won and I haven't.

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean, technically, I want a creative arts Emmy.
It's the same Emmy.

Speaker 2 A Shmemi is an Emmy. That's a Remy.

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter. A Shmemi is an Emmy.

Speaker 1 And you described your ideal morning that you wake up and someone hands you a mimosa.

Speaker 2 I was being tongue-in-cheek, by the way. right?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Right?

Speaker 2 It's pretty great. Was this where I said I wanted to wear canary yellow? Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
That's where that comes from.

Speaker 1 And you want to wear Canary Yellow because you wanted to appear as if there's no way you'd win.

Speaker 1 And then you were practicing your winning faces.

Speaker 1 So now I'd like to ask you.

Speaker 1 What's your award show morning routine? And have you taken, have you gone to award shows with him?

Speaker 2 I went to the Emmys with you once when you were nominated as a writer. As a writer.
And then I haven't been back. No.
It overwhelms me. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 That's what I was, and I, and I was saying that. It's a lot.
And nothing else in life is a lot. And everyone around you also has the vibe of, this is a lot.

Speaker 2 No one really feels like they belong there.

Speaker 2 Everyone else is like, I guess we're not the enemies.

Speaker 2 I think that's one of the things, too, that's like so different about when you're little and you look up and you're like, wow, I want to be like a big star is like, you think that there's going to be like a comfort and like an elusivity to the experience.

Speaker 2 And you're just like uncomfortable. And like, it's all a show.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like you realize like that red carpet, you've waited for an hour to get on it around people who are like hungry and uncomfortable and with their publicists. Yes.
You know what I mean? It's all,

Speaker 2 it sucks to say it's all fake because that sounds so rough, but it is. constructed.

Speaker 1 Well, you're not, you're not seeing the part where you're waiting in line.

Speaker 1 I love being at shows and talking. I also, I wrote on the People's Choice Awards many years ago, and I thought it was really interesting.

Speaker 1 And whenever I'm at awards, I like talking to the people working behind the scenes and being like, so what's the drama today? Yeah, yeah. And I get the T sometimes.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, well, so-and-so was supposed to present and they didn't like their speech. So, and I was like, and I love, I love hearing that stuff because it's a job.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 People are there to work. It's a work event.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you went, I'm, this is a question for both of you. When you wake up on an award show morning, did someone hand you a mimosa?

Speaker 2 No one handed me a mimosa.

Speaker 2 I'll just order a room service and then I'll like work out meditate and then like put on the clothes and that's it and then like this year that's the fun part honestly fun part is putting on the clothes this year sudie came and you know we like did a whole just had a nice time taking a couple pictures it's and then and then becomes prom for like 20 minutes yes and that's fun and then once you're once you arrive at the thing and you you gotta meet your publicist and you gotta walk and it's like then it becomes work and then you're like ooh this is the curtain's been pulled back literally wizard of oz style Like, oh, this is not what I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And the whole night is about adjusting to that.
And then, as soon as you feel slightly adjusted, then it ends.

Speaker 2 Although, I will say, I do think it's a mercy that the category that I've been nominated in the past three times has been top of show.

Speaker 2 And then the rest of the night, I'm like, okay, well, we're drinking, you know? Like, do you leave after you're? I don't. I'm just like, I might as well stay.
Like, who knows when I'll be back?

Speaker 2 Like, I might as well stay for this. Yeah.
So, do you?

Speaker 2 You should.

Speaker 1 No, but also

Speaker 1 the times at the Emmys I was nominated, I think my category was towards the end.

Speaker 1 So I was always there. And then you're just nervous.
Okay, let me ask you a question. So

Speaker 1 I had to do so much awards campaigning for Crazy X. I knew exactly when the Golden Globes nominations were coming out, when Emmy nominations, because I had to.
I was the face of the show.

Speaker 2 I had to.

Speaker 1 And every night I would get before an award show nomination. It was the worst anxiety.
I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 1 And the next time it happened, God willing, if it ever happens again, like I should take a Xanax or something.

Speaker 1 I mean, when I, last time with the Emmys,

Speaker 1 I was, was I pregnant when the nominations were announced? That would make sense because I was 19. I was pregnant.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I couldn't take a Xanax.

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 1 I'm always aware of when the awards nominations are. Not always, but often I'm aware.
And it gives me horrible like anxiety.

Speaker 1 It feels like, it feels like the worst version of like a cast list coming out. I don't know.
It just feels, it feels weird.

Speaker 1 But then you hear people be asked, like, what were you doing when you found out you were nominated? And they're like, oh my God, I didn't even know the nominations were today. I was at the gym.

Speaker 1 That's fake. That's fake, right? So like, what are your feelings the night before nominations?

Speaker 2 This year, I was honestly, honest to God, the night before, I obviously knew that the nominations were coming out the next day, but I was just like finally back in town getting my apartment all together.

Speaker 2 Couldn't really sleep, but then woke up the next morning being like, I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to sit in the steam room for like 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 So I like had this like agita, but then I sat in the steam room, meditated, did a whole like, I had a whole moment to myself where it's like, whatever happens, like you care, obviously, but it's probably not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so just like ground yourself in that and then go about the rest of your day.
And you have all these other things in your schedule that were purely domestic.

Speaker 2 Like you're gonna go and buy like a new trash can. That's smart.
You know, like you're gonna go, you're gonna like work on this thing.

Speaker 2 And then it was like in the middle of my day that like it came out. And then the first, somehow these publicists know everything before anyone else does.
And then they, that's when they text you.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, and like I found out through text. I was like, oh, great.
But I packed my day so much that I was like, well, I got to move on. I got to like go to this next place.

Speaker 2 And like the inertia of that and the momentum of that was helpful.

Speaker 1 It's good. It's grounding.
It's grounding.

Speaker 2 I also hate the bullshit of like, oh, I had no idea.

Speaker 1 I mean, I obviously had the awareness, but I guess there are some people, they would have to be like, I'm not going online. Don't tell me when the nominations are.

Speaker 2 No, I was, I was tracking and I was like, oh, and it's 11 a.m.

Speaker 1 So here's the problem is for because it's West Coast, we always cater to you guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're always at like 6 a.m. Right.
Yeah. And so then you're like, well, it's 6.
I might as well like stay up. I wish it was just an email.

Speaker 2 Six is better though because I still email. You know what? Not that I'm ever been like in contention in a real way, but like sometimes I'm

Speaker 2 waking up and rolling over and then being able to see the nominees and not it being 9 a.m. and like wading around.

Speaker 2 That's like, I'd rather wake up, look at the phone and be like, oh, there's something something happening in the phone right now, or there's not. You're right,

Speaker 2 right, right, right. Because then it's like, you can deal with it in the moment of like waking up and being by yourself and not that.
I hate being anxious waiting for things.

Speaker 1 So that's what it is. I think it's just the angle.
It's the anxious, it's the anxious waiting that I don't have.

Speaker 2 And the need to, and the want to take the Xanax because you're like, let me just kill this feeling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just, it's like a body, even if you don't want, even if you're like, this isn't, it's fine. Like, it's fine either way, your body is doing something that you don't want it to do.

Speaker 2 Well, well this is why i'm a pothead this is literally why this is this is because i'm like the second i start to feel uncomfortable it's something i'm like actively working on yeah is like i have to stop my body from physically being like oh you need marijuana right now to calm down oh wow so you smoke a lot all the time yeah yeah i want to ask you this this is a moment of the special it's not spoiling anything but um you you can spoil it well no no no well there's the moment that you find out or like immediately after you find out that your friend has passed away your psychiatrist tells you you all you can do is feel yeah and then you're like and for some reason i grabbed a journal because that seems like why is that the default i like relate to this so much it's like why do we think why is the imagery of like feeling of like emotional access and like directness like why is that so tied to like the idea of journal because i have the same thought where i'm like i guess i better write this down even though i never it's never for posterity i never look back on it like what is that but that ended up being like an important element of that moment for you right where you wrote something down Well, I did, but then I gave up.

Speaker 1 I mean, literally, I still have the notebook somewhere and it's like Adam dot and then it, you know, and that's all I can write.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think that, look, I naturally do see writing as cathartic.
Yes. And there is something the moment something happens writing about it, you do capture,

Speaker 1 I don't know, you capture them up, but that's very, that's very product-oriented.

Speaker 1 And that's not what I was, in that moment, I wasn't going for like output. Output at all.
I don't know. I don't know why journal, they, you just, when you read self-care guidelines

Speaker 1 It always says journal. Yeah.
That's almost a thing that you've been told from a young like the American girl

Speaker 1 Care and keeping of you is

Speaker 2 dear America. Do you ever read this dear America?

Speaker 2 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about there's an American girl book from the mid-90s called the care and keeping of you that that every

Speaker 1 young woman read and it featured a graphic illustration of a girl putting a tampon in.

Speaker 1 Every woman listening to this or watching this who was was born in the late 80s, early 90s knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Anyway, journal about it is the thing you read. And I was so in that moment lost when he died.
I mean, this is seconds after he's died that I was like, the emotions were unbearable.

Speaker 2 That I was like, what will help me?

Speaker 1 I want to, it was in a way it was like,

Speaker 1 maybe the journal will help me not

Speaker 1 feel this way.

Speaker 1 I think that's what it is. I have to do, and I'm a very, I got to do something person.
So the idea of just sitting with my emotion doesn't seem right. But I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 And then I remember I took a shower and there was this ledge in my shower and I just put my head on it and sobbed. Yeah.
And even now,

Speaker 1 when I'm in the shower and I, I'm on that, and I look at that ledge, I think about that moment where I was like

Speaker 1 sobbing, which is weird with shower sex.

Speaker 2 You got to reach out to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to, yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you having shower sex, though? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
I never could figure it out. I guess it's a little different.
It's different for gays.

Speaker 1 Well, because you also have to figure out, because like water is not, water is not a lubricant. You can't get it.

Speaker 1 So that's, that is a challenge of shower sex. Right.

Speaker 2 And so thank God for natural lubricants.

Speaker 1 Well, there's not, and then, but also, like, do you put the spigot away?

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, like, you go like that.

Speaker 1 Like, what you want is the steaminess.

Speaker 2 Right. You don't want the.

Speaker 1 Well, because also it's not, because also it's like calming.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you'll get the shower, shower, shower sector.

Speaker 2 You'll be like, oh, I like those showers. Yeah.
I just don't want to drown. Like, if I'm like, oh, yeah, if I'm, if I'm like the, let's face it, the receiving partner, likely.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And then I'm like, ah, and then like, I'm like not in control. What if I like get put under the water and I'm like,

Speaker 2 you know what I mean? I wonder how many people.

Speaker 1 I wonder how many people die that way.

Speaker 2 How many.

Speaker 2 So many, I don't know. So many people are into like choking and stuff.

Speaker 1 My My friend has a fucked up story of being at a sex club and seeing a guy die. Oh, because he was really fucked up on drugs.
And I think he was getting, his

Speaker 1 esophagus was getting compressed or something. And he was, and he was, it was like the wrong angle and he like somehow suffocated.
It wasn't anyone's fault.

Speaker 1 He just couldn't, he didn't notice, I think, that his windpipe.

Speaker 2 It was a sex accident.

Speaker 1 It's such a bummer's story.

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 No, but like I was watching your special and then about 10, 15 minutes in, I think it really sank in that this was going to be really about death and i know i just said let's not talk about it on mic because don't give them that but i have been like thinking about it more i think because it occurred to me a few weeks ago that i should probably put like a will together because there's a certain amount of money now yeah and i was like i wouldn't want that to just go somewhere.

Speaker 2 I was like, I want to leave all that to my sister. And then I started to think about like, well, I should probably do it soon because it's probably likelier that I'll die here.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I thought about like somewhere I'm going later in the month, and I'm like, well, that's a spot that could get attacked.

Speaker 2 And I'm like thinking to myself, and then I was like, I was hearing myself think, and I was like, what is this a product of? Is it a product of our current landscape?

Speaker 2 Is it a product of me getting a little bit older? Is it the pandemic that made death very real? I think it is all

Speaker 1 to extricate

Speaker 1 one factor from another.

Speaker 2 I think we're just older.

Speaker 1 We're older, and also

Speaker 1 death is all around us.

Speaker 1 And I think that it would be impossible to, because I think about this too, where it's like giving birth during the pandemic, my daughter being in the NICU,

Speaker 1 my writing partner, for those of you who don't know,

Speaker 1 my songwriting partner died a week after my daughter was born. It is hard to extricate her being in the NICU from it being COVID, from him dying of it.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know if you'd isolated each of these incidents, how each one would feel in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 It is all one experience it's all one you can't it when you start pulling apart those threads i don't know who knows yeah but a will's i mean yeah i mean we we have a kid so we've made yeah yeah we've made a will yeah yeah it's all have you made it's all getting left to you i should say yeah that's this is the moment that i admit that's me yes it all goes to you that's why i came here today wow honest honestly and i was expecting it but i didn't want to say it's like it's like nomination morning you know what i mean like i was coming here today thinking is she giving me is she bequeathing me by the way bequeath That's a funny word for a dad.

Speaker 2 So good bro.

Speaker 1 Whoa, has anyone done a pun like bequeath?

Speaker 2 I don't know. You're the first.

Speaker 2 You are the one to do it.

Speaker 2 Oh, I bequeath my...

Speaker 2 That's a crazy. I don't know what that was.
Bequeeed vibratoed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, imagine if that was how I queefed.

Speaker 2 That'd be beautiful. Musically.

Speaker 2 Do you have a tone?

Speaker 2 That's what happens when I fire. No, I just fall down.

Speaker 2 Do your queefs have a tone to them?

Speaker 1 No, they are

Speaker 1 juicy.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 They're pure air.

Speaker 1 If I've just taken a bath,

Speaker 1 they sound like the world's nastiest diarrhea fart. Can I ask you?

Speaker 2 I love that stuff.

Speaker 2 It's like,

Speaker 2 I know you'll answer this. Yeah.
Squirting.

Speaker 1 I don't, I'm not a squirter.

Speaker 2 You never have?

Speaker 1 I remember, I have memories of being in, like when I first started masturbating of like

Speaker 2 squirt something, squirting.

Speaker 1 I think it was pee. i think i had to pee and i like masturbated three times in a row and then the pee just got forced out

Speaker 1 because it hasn't happened since

Speaker 2 and it didn't feel you remember how it felt it felt like oh i just peed myself it's crazy when you watch because sometimes i do watch straight porn and i will get into some squirting yeah yeah yeah i watch squirting porn i and i like it because the actresses are just like

Speaker 2 and like and like it looks like and then that's when i get upset like sometimes I'm like I wish that I could experience that. I know do you wish this

Speaker 1 I absolutely do

Speaker 1 feeling so I try to look at squirting porn when it's very clearly water coming out of the urethra because there's a theory that it is just piss or whatever so when it's very clearly a stream coming out of that second hole I don't like it because I'm like nah that's just peeing right when it's like there's something that happens sometimes during squirting porn where it just fucking gushes out and you can't tell where it's coming from

Speaker 1 and it could be from the vagina that's the squirting point that's the fantasy for me when it's like a when it's the stream coming out of the urethra no then it's not fantasy because it's like you're just pissing yourself yeah yeah some people i people squirt uh there's this theory that it comes from something called the skeins glands that they've analyzed it and like some of it is pissed the juries the jury's still out whether on whether or not squirt is piss and by the way like That's how far behind we are on studying a woman's body.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, like, shouldn't we know this?

Speaker 1 We didn't know what the clit was.

Speaker 2 The clitoris is an iceberg.

Speaker 1 It's the tip of the iceberg with all of these nerves that extend into like your vagina, your butthole. We didn't know about that until like...

Speaker 2 This is Barbie. When did we find out about this?

Speaker 1 I want to say it started in the 60s, but then it was actually mapped in like the 80s.

Speaker 1 This is the way over half the world gets sexual pleasure. Yeah.
And we still are like...

Speaker 2 The recency of this shit reminds me that there's this great piece in the cut that came out in January when you were doing the show at the Orpheum. We did some research.
Well, no, of course.

Speaker 2 We read the cut every morning. We read the cut every morning.
But I was reading this back in January.

Speaker 2 Emily Gould, I think, she wrote it. But the writer did a great job of saying like, but Crazy Ex-Girlfriend was very much ahead of its time in terms of the mental health discourse that we've had.

Speaker 2 And I think the special will also kind of have this lasting relevance and permanence because the way we think about death has been permanently altered since the pandemic.

Speaker 2 It's like everyone is a little, is a little bit, let's just say like not crazier, but just we're all like a little bit more like destabilized by the idea of like death being everywhere.

Speaker 1 And even if you're, because look, I think a lot of people, look, myself included, it's, you want to move on from the pandemic. You want to not think about it.
You want to see things as back to normal.

Speaker 1 But there's no denying that everyone went, we went through a world mass trauma. and something I ask in the special is how do you acknowledge death but continue to live?

Speaker 1 How do you not completely compartmentalize the idea that death is going to happen? Because that leaves you unprepared, right?

Speaker 1 And we need to be prepared for the next pandemic.

Speaker 1 And when they say, you know, lock down or wear a mask, we need to understand where that's coming from as opposed to it being this random foreign thing.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 But you can't let it consume you because we're all going to die. And that's a part of life.
Everything that's alive dies. Also, American culture is not, is so anti-death.

Speaker 1 It's so like bootstraps, the green light at the end of the dock.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like it's all like, look to the future. I think other cultures are better about integrating death.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is why going back, even for I think secular people, going back to like religious ritual when someone dies is really telling that. there is a ritual.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That like, I'm an atheist. I still crave ritual.

Speaker 1 There is something grounding about it that our American culture isn't providing, especially when it comes to death.

Speaker 2 There literally is no space. Let's just even talk about like, oh, like you grieve, you're bereft, and then come back to work in like a week.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like, there is something nice about like, let's say, like sitting Shiva or like doing like an Asian kind of funeral where it's like.

Speaker 2 a full week or two weeks or whatever.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, there's a reason that there's a time that, that, yeah, there's like a week or two in so many cultures because you need that time to process.

Speaker 1 And I talked to a lot of people who saw the live show who came up and talked to me after the show. And like, there were numerous people who were like, my mom died two years ago.
And people are like,

Speaker 1 okay, when are you going to be over this?

Speaker 1 And that you can tell people are uncomfortable around death. There's this amazing camp called Camp Comfort Zone.
It's a grief camp for children.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 And I went up. for a day to see it a couple months ago because my friend wrote a movie that we're trying to get made about these children's grief camps.

Speaker 1 And I was talking to some of the kids there and they're like,

Speaker 1 some of them were saying like, I even get bullied because a parent died.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, what is that?

Speaker 1 What do you mean they're bullying? And they were just saying like, people are uncomfortable. They don't know what to say.
They don't know what to do. So some people don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Some people need to make jokes. We're so uncomfortable because we think it could then happen.

Speaker 2 to us.

Speaker 1 And for so long, I think I put people dying suddenly in this far-off place of, well, this is something that happens in far-off countries. This doesn't happen to me.
And then it happened.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, no. Yeah, this could happen.
And that's why having a baby during that time was so triggering because babies, you're told that there are so many ways babies are fragile

Speaker 1 and can die. And

Speaker 1 babies can't do shit. Like it's called the fourth trimester because babies, human babies are born premature.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Because it has to do with, I apologize to any scientists. I think it's as our brains got bigger, our heads got bigger, but also we became bipedal.
So our hips narrowed and the two don't work together.

Speaker 1 And so basically

Speaker 1 to get children out of the birth canal before the mother dies,

Speaker 1 they have to be born premature. So human babies are especially really, really helpless.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Crazy that like evolutionarily that like

Speaker 2 works out for us.

Speaker 1 Because also it's still a work in progress.

Speaker 2 No, totally.

Speaker 1 Like we're still like we're still evolving. Nature kind of hasn't figured this out yet.

Speaker 2 Right, but I'm saying like the only reason we've lasted this long as bipedal animals with whatever like developing brains as we're out of the womb, it's like it's because literally it's because we have thumbs.

Speaker 2 Because we can hold our infants. Yes.
That is kind of the only

Speaker 2 right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's thumbs. Thumbs are so important.
But there is a thing though, babies, you'll see.

Speaker 2 You can't hold a baby like this. No, you can't hold a baby like that.
I used to flow.

Speaker 1 There is a thing babies do

Speaker 1 where a little baby, you'll see them go, and what that is.

Speaker 2 They'll do that if I go.

Speaker 1 What that is, is I feel like I wake up doing that sometimes. So that's an instinct of when we were still apes and lived in trees that a baby would grab the mom and not fall out of the tree.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 1 So you see a little baby go,

Speaker 2 wow. Drink.

Speaker 2 Would you characterize like the feelings that you, because you don't really call it this in a special, but would you call it post-partum anxiety, what you had?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I kind of had some pre-partim anxiety too.
Like, I, I had being nauseous made me very anxious and depressed, especially in my first trimester.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Ooh.
And were you very nauseous?

Speaker 1 I was very nauseous.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think I had postpartum anxiety, but it was so wrapped up in grief. So many other things.
And the pandemic. Would I have had postpartum anxiety? But yes.

Speaker 2 It just reminds me of one of those things like we were talking about, like, you know, all the nerve endings and like that we're not talking about like that women have.

Speaker 2 Like it's like, you know, I think maybe because I watch like some real housewives shows, like, and I hear them use the words postpartum anxiety, which is different than postpartum depression.

Speaker 2 And like, you just don't hear it talked about, but you have to imagine that women have been experiencing postpartum anxiety forever. Yeah.
But, but you feel like it's only recently something that's.

Speaker 2 being differentiated from postpartum depression or being differentiated from any other feeling that you would have as a, as a new mom or like an impending mother.

Speaker 1 Well, Well, because anxiety is, you can cover anxiety a little bit more. Because anxiety is a

Speaker 2 proactive for an answer. So I'm on Prozac for anxiety.

Speaker 1 I'm much more of a

Speaker 1 proactive spiraler, and that includes my intrusive thoughts, where it's like

Speaker 1 my thoughts go on overload.

Speaker 1 And the way my psychiatrist had described it was, it was kind of two sides of the same pendulum, or it's like the pendulum swings anxiety, depression, but it's fundamentally the same chemical imbalances going on.

Speaker 1 I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that like we think postpartum depression and the image is someone laying around unable to function. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't look at my kid.

Speaker 1 Postpartum anxiety is.

Speaker 2 Can't look away.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think that also like women are neurotic.

Speaker 1 So it's, I mean, there's so much I think that we're still realizing about the way mental health has been portrayed for years, like in the media that like a character is like neurotic.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, well, they should have been medicated.

Speaker 2 Right. Totally.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like anxiety, because it's active, masks itself as other things. And depression is so undeniable where it's like someone laying around who can't do anything.

Speaker 1 Like in the commercial for like,

Speaker 1 what's Latuda? I feel like Latuda is one of the commercials I've seen. And I think, I feel like that's sort of bipolar, but it's like someone laying around.

Speaker 1 It's very easy for an actor to act out as opposed to like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the complexities of like what the fuck is going on. Because what it looks like when I'm having.

Speaker 1 And ever since I upped my pros, I actually haven't had a proper like intrusive thought.

Speaker 1 I don't don't know. The intrusive thought and anxiety, they kind of go together.
It's complicated.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But when either way, when I'm anxious, what it looks like is this. It looks like,

Speaker 2 yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I go into freeze, right? There's fight, flight, freeze. I go into freeze.
I get this.

Speaker 1 So how do you, in a commercial for Latuda?

Speaker 2 How do you get across someone who's close up on the eyes?

Speaker 1 That's less evocative than like.

Speaker 2 I eyes of a lot of

Speaker 2 wait, Donnie. Can we get a tight close on Rachel's eyes as she does an anxiety, a neurosis? So, this is what

Speaker 2 it should be.

Speaker 2 TCA. TCA.

Speaker 2 Give it to her for drama. Who won drama the year you won comedy? Do you know?

Speaker 1 You said it. I think it was Sarah Paulson.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 Iconic. Have you guys ever met? I think once.
You ever rub statues?

Speaker 2 Ew.

Speaker 2 Matthew.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm not now.

Speaker 1 Like literally like a statue rubbing up against another statue.

Speaker 2 Barbie sex, doll sex. What is the TCA? What is it? Is it a little man?

Speaker 1 No, it's a glass.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, it's a glass

Speaker 2 because it almost broke. Well,

Speaker 2 men can be glass and women can be Siri. When Annie is famously a woman.

Speaker 1 When I won the TCA, there was, I want to say it was a guy who wasn't even in the organization anymore. He was there.
He was kind of groping me right in front of my husband.

Speaker 2 It was like a problem.

Speaker 1 And I was so afraid of like making him mad at me.

Speaker 2 I didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 Now, now I would be like, hey, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But he was like, he kept trying to ply me with more drinks. And he was like getting grabby with my waist.
And Gregor was right there.

Speaker 1 And he and I were both, it was so weird. We didn't know what to do because we were like laughing it off.
Now, now I think I would have been like, yo, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was awesome. Why do you think now you would? Is that, is it because you're a a mom?

Speaker 1 I think now we're post-me too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 God, that really was pre.

Speaker 1 And also I'm. Wow.

Speaker 1 Whoa. I was in my late

Speaker 1 20s. No, I was maybe I was, I just turned 30.
I don't know. I'm older now and I'm just like, and I think I also, everything seems so tenuous that first year of the show.

Speaker 2 That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Where it's like, oh, if I get mad at someone, I'm going to ruin this.

Speaker 1 Now I'd be like, you know what? Me telling one guy to keep his hands off me is not going to ruin my career. In fact,

Speaker 1 he deserves to be called out, right? We're in much more of a culture of like, that's not okay. Yeah.
Yeah. But I'm still, you know what?

Speaker 1 There was a guy who came up to me after like my off-Broadway show and he was like there with his son and he like kissed me on the cheek.

Speaker 1 And I went, I went, whoa.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know what to do because it wasn't even, it wasn't gross and gropey. It was just weird.

Speaker 2 A little familiar. Yeah.
And I went.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know what to I didn't say, How fucking dare you.

Speaker 1 I didn't know what to do, and then that guy came back to his credit and he went, Hey, I realized the other day I kissed you on the cheek, that was over, that was weird. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 He's like, My son pointed out that was weird.

Speaker 2 Oh, all right,

Speaker 1 but like, it's a it's a lot harder, it's very easy to say, and this is a whole other thing about like sexual harassment. It's very easy to say, like, if someone touches you in a way, you say no.

Speaker 1 When you're actually in the moment and someone is getting gropey or touching, it's it's really hard.

Speaker 1 We don't give

Speaker 1 anyone a template for being a denier or a rejecter. Yeah.
We don't learn. We don't practice saying no.
We don't practice boundaries.

Speaker 2 We talk about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's a like, you know, Instagram poetry like, you go, girl, you know, it's like, it's like the like, if someone is in your space, tell them to get out of your space.

Speaker 1 How do you actually do that? Yeah. Right.
We don't practice that enough.

Speaker 2 Yeah. There are almost no no time.
I mean, not to connect dots too much, but like, it's, it's this thing of like acknowledgement. Like we don't know how to acknowledge these very prevalent,

Speaker 2 whatever, these like facts of life about with like death or with like people being violatory or something. It's like, how do you

Speaker 2 to point it out is like the hardest part and yet it is like the first thing that has to happen in order for anything to like be better.

Speaker 1 Does that make sense? Yeah, I know. I was also thinking about like

Speaker 1 now when someone is in a scandal or whatever, the the way that they get out of it is like they just don't say anything they make it go away and which is the opposite of what we're taught as a kid is to apologize but I feel like

Speaker 1 not all apologies but I feel like the more you say even though we're taught to apologize the more it makes things worse

Speaker 1 sometimes which is like such a fucked up weird lesson yeah

Speaker 1 Oh, not always, not always. There are some good apologies.
And a lot of the time, it's when someone's apologizing for like a scandal, it's because they're also explaining it.

Speaker 1 They're not actually apologizing.

Speaker 1 They're giving a very defensive explanation. I don't know, but like, as a having a kid now, I think about this: like, what do I tell her about personal boundaries?

Speaker 1 And I tell her, like, if someone hugs you, say, I don't want to be hugged right now. And they're getting, she's very good about that.

Speaker 1 And I want to, and I want to keep that into her teenage and adulthood because she's not ashamed about saying, I don't want to give a hug right now.

Speaker 2 And, like, keep that. Totally.
Yeah, no, that's great. She already drank her juice.

Speaker 1 Drunken juice and spilling tea.

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Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey, is now the segment that we're going to do, and also what I say to anyone who comes to me and wants to hug.

Speaker 2 Just kidding. I actually am a hugger.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 I'm a hugger too. I know.
We're all huggers here.

Speaker 2 Need someone to hug me close.

Speaker 2 I don't think Sohani is a segment. Do you have any, were there any more notes on the last episode that you really wanted to hit before we go?

Speaker 1 No, no, this is a, I talk about in the episode, I talk about talking to Adam. That I would, I had been in town, I think, doing some press events with Adam.

Speaker 2 He really was the best.

Speaker 1 He was the best. And so I think we had just done, we did a thing at Lincoln Center in that beautiful room that overlooks,

Speaker 1 what was it?

Speaker 1 We'd done like a crazy X concert. Anyway, so listening to that, and that's, you know, he's now gone and being like, oh, but in that episode, he's alive.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think in the episode, we also just talked about, I'm sure we went on about Fountain Zwain and about his genius and about the show, obviously.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we did, but

Speaker 2 noted. God.
We have on the show. We have.
We've certainly talked about it on the show.

Speaker 1 I put on my sunglasses, not for that, but for I don't think Think So honey.

Speaker 2 Okay, no good.

Speaker 2 This is like the good energy to bring into it. I am doing an I Don't Think So Honey today, and it's sort of pointing inward.
But I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna flip the form a little bit.

Speaker 2 Oh, and I'm gonna connect it to the Iconic 400, which we just did because we forgot somebody. And so I'm gonna do, I'm gonna use this time to give that person their flowers.
This is amazing. Okay.

Speaker 2 This is Matt Rogers. This is I don't think so, honey.
It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
We didn't put Barbara Streisand on the iconic 400. And this is a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 And I'm going to use the, let's say, 50 seconds from now on to give you more than 30, you would have gotten. Barbara Streisand, you are the one and the only.

Speaker 2 I didn't grow up with anything that wasn't Funny Girl. We were a Funny Girl house.
In fact, we were such a funny girl house that we were also a funny lady house.

Speaker 2 Now, here's the thing about Funny Lady.

Speaker 2 Not as good as Funny Girl, but if you really want to get into the FGCU, the Funny Girl Cinematic Universe, you have to watch Funny Lady, in which Fanny Bryce has another relationship that proves to be challenging.

Speaker 2 Because when you are Fanny Bryce, you have a lot of responsibilities, you have a lot of complexities, you have a lot to live up to, and you have these men in your life who are going to not necessarily give you their best because they're not good with themselves.

Speaker 2 And Barbara, you nailed that. You nail it all the time.
You are one of the greatest singers of all time. I can't believe it's only five seconds.
Barbara Streisen, welcome to the Icon of 400 in theory.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey, that we've got you the first time. And that's one minute.

Speaker 1 The funny girl cinematic universe.

Speaker 2 FGC.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 That is such an oversight. We forgot her.
And that was crazy. Barbara, back in Brooklyn.
Back in Brooklyn. Oh.

Speaker 2 That was one of the great concerts. When Basudi and I went to go see Barbara Streisen at the Barclays Center.
Oh, wow. And

Speaker 2 there was a moment, it was 2016, and she, of course, got political. And there was one woman, like 15 rows behind us.
We already were in bad seats.

Speaker 2 The one woman in the entire Barclays Center at Barbara Streisen that was like,

Speaker 2 Shut up!

Speaker 2 shut up. This one Trump woman screaming in the back.
Like, what did you think was going to happen when you came to Barbara in like

Speaker 2 October 2020?

Speaker 1 I love people with weird.

Speaker 1 There's a bit that I've been wanting to do. Like, I want to have like a merch section of my website, and I don't know how to do this, which is called Bumper Stickers for No One,

Speaker 1 which would have bumper stickers that don't describe anyone.

Speaker 1 And like, one of my ideas is like, I'm a gun-totin', Bible-thumpin' Nathan Lane super fan, and I

Speaker 2 vote. I vote.

Speaker 1 What is someone that doesn't exist?

Speaker 1 Trumper at a Streisand concert.

Speaker 2 I'm a Barbara Streisand trucker, and I vote.

Speaker 1 I love, like, yeah, that doesn't make, but there's someone, there's one person out there, I bet.

Speaker 2 There's definitely a Nathan Lane super fan. Nathan Lane or Nathan Fielder? Nathan Lane.
Nathan Lane.

Speaker 2 For one second, I thought you said Nathan.

Speaker 1 I'm willing to bet that there are more

Speaker 2 Trump people like Nathan Fielder than Nathan Fielder fans and Nathan Lane fans. Of course.
Because they're like,

Speaker 1 Nathan Lane was in the Lion King, and do they love the Lion King? But I don't know if they're a Nathan. Like, you'd have to...
Who knows a lot about Nathan Lane?

Speaker 2 Who is it? Who is it? A gun by Toton. Lindsey Graham.

Speaker 2 They're out there. Yeah, they're out there.

Speaker 1 I love those people who are anomalies where it's like, you don't make sense.

Speaker 2 You're building fun Venn diagrams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Shut up. Shut up.

Speaker 2 I had an art teacher in high school who was like, had like a cool haircut and like like played Aretha Franklin for us and she was also the track coach and also the like and she was like a guidance counselor she was like all did all these things and she was like

Speaker 2 we would always jam like we would always like eat lunch together and I remember she like loved Adam Lambert she was like obsessed and she was like a hardcore Republican yeah it's just like it it's people are out there doing their thing but also when we were growing up Republic but also Republicans

Speaker 1 the country was less pressure

Speaker 1 it was more open to like your personal interpretation And with some people, it was just more fiscal.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 I don't know what it was. I actually, but I remember it took me back even then.

Speaker 2 And now it's like those people that were, you know, you knew like way back when that were Republicans, like you kind of wonder like where they're falling now.

Speaker 1 I just ran into a friend who is Mormon,

Speaker 1 still Mormon. And I go, and we talked about church and I didn't even ask her about political stuff.
I went, oh, are you still going to church?

Speaker 1 She goes, yep, I go to church every Sunday and I vote for whoever I want.

Speaker 2 Oh, Okay. And I was like, that to me means probably a good thing.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 That's what Bird meant. That's what she meant.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Lovely.
Bo and Yang, Jev, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do something, and I just confirmed it by searching through the list of the iconic 400. And we also, there was another omission.
Oh, okay, good. I'm happy we're making things right.

Speaker 2 This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Us for not including Whitney Houston in the iconic 400.

Speaker 2 I cannot believe that we, as gay music-loving men did not acknowledge the template formed with Whitney Houston, someone who went through tremendous personal challenges to give us some of the most celebrated music in the last 40 years, let's say 50 years.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to make it time bound, but I can't believe that we would do that as these gays.

Speaker 2 You all have permission to walk up to us in a public setting and chastise, berate, hit us.

Speaker 2 There are no boundaries. We left out Whitney Houston and Barbara Streisand from 102400.
That was bad. I'm here to apologize.

Speaker 2 This is, I mean, it's not an apologize if, it's an apologize that we left out Whitney Houston.

Speaker 2 I apologize that we offended you. Same.
That we disappointed the community. Same.
And

Speaker 2 I have not seen her in concert like you have seen Barbara. That is one minute.
Do you want to sing something from Whitney?

Speaker 2 But now

Speaker 2 you and your boys went out to eat.

Speaker 2 Then they went out.

Speaker 2 But you came home around three.

Speaker 2 It's because of y'all went out.

Speaker 2 Then for you, you're really cheap. Yeah, cause only you had dinner.
I found your credit card receipts.

Speaker 2 It's not right, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna make it anyway.

Speaker 2 Pack your bag up and leave. Don't you dare come running back to me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think we got it across. We We got it across.

Speaker 2 Glasses off. Thank you.

Speaker 2 From a vocalist, this means everything. Oh, my God.
It was great.

Speaker 2 Did you come prepared today with I Don't Think So honey? She certainly did. I knew you did.
Glasses off for this. All right, here we go.
Get ready. This is Rachel Bloom's I Don't Think So Honey.

Speaker 2 Her time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. I'm talking to you, rowdy 14-year-old boys in children's parks.
Oh, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 When you're standing on the swing that my daughter's waiting to sit on and actually use the swing properly and you're rattling the swing, that's not my problem. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 You are not meant to go on these jungle gyms and step on my child's hand.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing. If this were hundreds of years ago, you'd already be a father.

Speaker 1 You'd already be a man.

Speaker 2 Go home and be a man. Go home and do your homework, honey.

Speaker 1 Parks are not for you anymore. I don't think so, honey.
If you want to go and build a park for post-pubescent boys, or should I say men, That's your business.

Speaker 1 But my child wants to go on the slide, and you are sticking it up with your teenage B.O.

Speaker 2 and you are scaring her.

Speaker 1 You're stomping with your friends, and you're laughing. And I can just tell that you're probably going to smoke.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 Do not

Speaker 1 step on my children's hands. And that's what I just keep, I just feel like there are a lot of hands getting stepped on.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. Yes, that was really important, Rachel.
And that's important.

Speaker 2 And I have to say that.

Speaker 2 So I have to confront myself here because last week I took my parents to like a vacation spot and there was a there was a pool with a slide.

Speaker 2 And I said to myself, oh fun, a slide. And then it said on there, you must be under 14 to do the slide.

Speaker 2 And I remember my first instinct was to be like, well, this is the ageist and I want to do the slide. And then I was like, Matt, you are 34.

Speaker 2 You did the slide. So many times in a time that it was appropriate for you, it's just not appropriate for you to do this slide.
This slide. Slides in general, you can do it.

Speaker 1 You can go to any water park and do the slide seriously yeah this slide it's okay let the kids play on the slide here's what i would argue that you could have done the slide because here's what my i think so honey was about i actually have no problem with middle schoolers or like high schoolers coming to a park and using things properly in an organized non-rowdy way

Speaker 1 if you're 15 or 16 and you want to actually go on the swings for an appropriate amount of time, I get it. I do that too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's the thing where they stand on the swing and they shake the fucking thing and then they're running around and like they're not

Speaker 2 using the equipment right properly.

Speaker 1 You being on that slide is fine with me.

Speaker 2 Is there

Speaker 2 totally. Do you feel compelled to speak to these teenagers?

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get fucking Karen. No.

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 2 I was going to ask.

Speaker 2 Totally. And I was going to ask, like...
No,

Speaker 1 I just...

Speaker 1 give them withering glances and you know what they don't notice nor do they care and you also doesn't seem to notice my daughter she doesn't care okay i'm the only person caring that's important even when her hand is stomped on even it happened when she was young i don't think she remembers it no but like but like god what i would struggle with as a parent is be like i want to yell at these other kids but i can't yeah it's it's hard god i mean other kids are

Speaker 1 i also don't want to get made fun of by middle schoolers again i already went through that in middle school i'm a little afraid of the withering things they'll say to me if i'm like excuse me my child wants to use the swings we'll talk about no boundaries yeah they'll just be like shut up

Speaker 2 like they'll just, and it's just, and then I'll wipe that. And then I'd start crying.
Yeah, they'd be like, you really just felt you could say that and just did it. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I don't want to have someone yell at me.

Speaker 2 Because that's the thing about middle school boys is that they'll just say something

Speaker 2 really vicious

Speaker 2 to harm you. Whereas like middle school girls will like, they're starting to develop like passive aggressiveness and like social bullying.
But middle school boys will just be like verbally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But middle school girls are more or more be like, okay, I'll get off the swing. And then like they'll be talking to each other and like looking your way.

Speaker 1 And you know they're being mean, but they still got off the swing.

Speaker 2 It's psychological as opposed to like visceral. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know that those are binary, but I get what you're saying. It's non-binary.

Speaker 1 This is. Unlike Siri.

Speaker 2 Fuck. Siri is a woman.
Siri is a sister. This woman

Speaker 2 is serving me. Yeah.
How do we feel about the trope of, let's say it's a grounded comedy, dramedy, adults on a swing at night for like a really close, intimate sort of like exchange.

Speaker 2 I think it's overdone. I think it was overdone.
Oh, as a trope.

Speaker 1 I think it's, if see in real life, it's very sweet.

Speaker 1 So many parks aren't open at night. Right.

Speaker 1 That's actually the problem.

Speaker 2 That's the plot. Parks are closed.
I kind of, I don't think I mind it in movies either. If I see it in real life, then I go, well, why are those two grown-ass people sitting on the swing?

Speaker 2 I go, sex offender.

Speaker 2 And then I start calling the police.

Speaker 2 Because I'm Karen. And I get the

Speaker 2 right way to.

Speaker 2 If I see adults at night on a playground, I go, sex offender.

Speaker 2 And I get my phone out and I go, 911. My girls.

Speaker 2 Call me Karen.

Speaker 1 I go, yes, Kamala.

Speaker 2 This is Matt. And I need you down here.

Speaker 2 Thank you for your service.

Speaker 2 And thank you. Thin blue line.
Rachel Bloom, for coming on. I can't believe this is only your second time

Speaker 2 in seven and a half years. We can't take this song a break again.

Speaker 1 Have me on every week.

Speaker 2 Honestly.

Speaker 1 I'll just sit here. I don't even need to say anything.
I'll just.

Speaker 1 That would be helpful. Pretend to be like your backup pianist with no pianos.

Speaker 2 You're a Paul Schaefer.

Speaker 2 But look, Rachel shows up and the conversation flows, baby. This is great.

Speaker 2 Death let me do my special

Speaker 2 stream now now on Netflix.

Speaker 1 And give it a double thumbs up because that helps the algorithm. Yes.

Speaker 2 Algorithmically.

Speaker 1 Isn't that weird?

Speaker 2 As opposed to a single thumbs up.

Speaker 1 Just any sort of reaction to it, but the double thumbs up. I mean, I think the single thumbs up is also good.

Speaker 1 Double special. How often do you do that on Netflix, though?

Speaker 2 Not often. I never do that.

Speaker 1 I just started doing it. I did it for a show about mermaids that my daughter liked because I'm like, I got to start

Speaker 2 paying it forward. We got to move out of Gabby's dollhouse.

Speaker 1 So there's this show. It's called like Mermaid Academy.
It is a whole thing. They have cornered, Netflix has figured out the little girl brain

Speaker 2 scary.

Speaker 1 That sounds creepy, but it's not.

Speaker 2 Okay, if you say so. Daniel the Tiger, is that Netflix? No, that's.

Speaker 1 It's PBS. PBS.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 that's the one to watch.

Speaker 1 PBS is great.

Speaker 2 We'd love PBS.

Speaker 2 And with that thought, we end every episode with a song.

Speaker 2 It's not right, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 I'm going to make it anyway.

Speaker 2 Close the door behind you, leave your keys. I'd rather be alone than I'll not be.

Speaker 2 Bye.

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Speaker 2 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Labord.
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