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Oh, I see. Wow.
Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Oh, my goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.
Guys, let's get right into it because there's a lot to say and a lot to cover this week. And we don't have a minute to spare.
Shout out to Brooke Ashley. Always.
Can I just say, did we already go over this on the last episode? Watching the two of you together is so thrilling. So Matt was recently on Brooke Ashley's podcast and YouTube show.
Well, it famously started as a YouTube channel. She's my favorite Housewives recapper.
Mine as well. And so like, I think I told Bowen about her, must be like a few years ago now.
It's been like three years at this point. Cause I remember just, I have never aligned with someone more besides you on Housewives opinions.
And she always had the right opinion on Potomac. And then it expanded to other franchises as well.
Yeah, I just think she's fabulous. But I'm so used to seeing her on one, like it's just her talking just sort of extemporaneously to the camera, which is such a difficult skill.
She's so good at it. Like talking by yourself to the camera for an extended period of time is a challenge, but then seeing her share the space with you, both of you together is so wonderful to watch.
She is, she obviously loves you. You love her.
I love her. I mean, everyone treat yourself.
Even if you don't know anything housewives, just watch these two people talk to each other. It's really, really, really lovely.
I love her and we had fun and I had been wanting to come on her channel for such a long time i will say i'm sort of trying to back off like doing any other podcast right now because i kind of became like the face of housewives opinions there for a second because i just can't fucking help myself like careful people are like okay i was gonna do my i don't think so honey about this but like people's reaction to you in that like online community when they don't agree with you is so intense and the number one thing they always say is like I don't even know who this is who is this guy oh no we're done with that guys can I say like who is this guy is not really necessarily it doesn't work as a read it just kind of says like okay so I don't't know really even know what it says i'm just like no i don't have to prove who i am you don't have to prove who you are i have stopped saying that outright i've stopped being like i don't know who that person is as if that's a worthwhile thing to vocalize or say out loud or like as if that's supposed to elicit a response from someone else like i don't know a person oh right because there are a million people in the world you fucking loser yeah i didn't know because there's a million people out there you can't know them all there's a million anyways so yeah i've taken a little bit of a step back because i people were like wow he really goes hard for these on his house'swives opinions. And I'm like, it's true.
I just got to hose myself down. Sometimes I'm like, Matt, stop.
But I do think I help move the needle. I do.
Of course you do. Oh, I think public opinion is moving in the right direction.
Thanks to people like you and Brooke. 100%.
Also, one last thing about the, I don't know this person thing. Discourse.
God, I fucking hate it. That implies that you are up to speed on the culture and it's nigh impossible these days to like know everything about everything.
I don't know. It's just like whatever.
Even that's giving too much credit. It's like you're not cool enough to know what's going on.
No one like period. It's just especially someone like you who's fucking a reply guy or someone who's like, you know, I don't know.
Someone who is like, so I mean, look, we're we have the same disease as you. We love the Real Housewives.
But like you are not right in the head if you are commenting on videos like this. Anyway, that's my opinion.
My thing is just like I genuinely, genuinely like it because I like it sociologically. No, of course.
Like, I love to watch these shows and like see how they react with each other etc I love it too but then I will say you finally stumble upon something like the Salt Lake trailer that dropped oh and you're like oh wait hold on it has felt different because I'm not here being like keep Jersey keep Jersey the same or like just change a couple things and then Salt Lake comes and I'm like you know what this feels really good that actually wasn't feeling so good the Salt Lake trailer you guys woo we're back we are so back eight Lisa's a dinner with eight Lisa Barlow's and then during it Lisa Barlow reaches over and tries to snatch Whitney Rose's Lisa Barlow wig off her head and says, take that wig off. You could never be me.
Come on. Come on.
Let's go. Let's go.
The Olympics are back. And they are.
They are starting again on September. What is it? 18th? 15th? September 18th.
It's so soon. September 18th.
September 18th. The Olympics are back.
Honey, two guys. What is it? Seven iconic women.
Bronwyn is back, y'all. The name Bronwyn is going to really make a huge splash.
My co-star in Wicked, Bronwyn James, iconic British actress. I can't wait to meet her and really connect.
The Shenzhen to my fanny. Make the Shenzhen Lego as well.
That was my last, I don't think so, honey. I forgot that part.
If there's going to be a fanny Lego, there better be a Shenzhen Lego, period. Should we establish, has it really been established? I know that maybe people might know that your name in Wicked is Fanny, which is pussy in British lingo.
I mean, everyone on set, all these wonderful Brits were like, just stifling laughter. Like, okay, can we get a final check on Fanny? Like, if a guy's, if some foppish sidekick in a huge movie was named Pussy in America on an American set, that would be crazy.
Oh man, you see me out here standing. Oh wow.
I can't believe it. Like your pussy.
Your pussy. Bronwyn.
Anyway. So yes, Bronwyn is back.
The name Bronwyn. Now, can I ask, is this some sort of Mormon name Bronwyn or is it like some sort of, what is it? It's Celtic.
It's Celtic Gaelic. It's something.

Here, let's look up the origins.

I'm actually way ahead of you.

So there's many ways that you can spell the word Bronwyn.

Bronwyn is a feminine given name.

Welsh.

A variant of the most feminine name, Bronwen, Branwen, literally meaning white raven or abstractly white breast.

Holy shit.

I love a white breast.

It means to be white, fair, and blessed.

Oh my God.

Branwen.

Bronwen.

White, fair, and blessed.

Title of ep.

Title of ep.

You're two out of the three.

Girl, I am not fair.

You're white and blessed.

Life.

I'm a lot like life. I'm fair and blessed.
I'm two out of the three too. You really are fair and blessed.
Oh no, I guess according to you, I'm allegedly white. And so I think I'm three for three.
Oh yeah. I almost forgot my conspiracy theory about you.
That you're parroting this image as a queer Asian man for fame, success, and more. And more.
And it's working. We're all playing into it.
Now, I'm not done with Salt Lake yet. We got to keep talking about Salt Lake just a little bit more.
We're not done. What are your hopes and dreams for season five? Oh my God.
My hopes and dreams include that Bronwyn actually, whoever this new Bronwyn is, comes in like Defense Against the Dark Arts because not the turf book. Sorry, bitch i'm kidding i'm kidding keep going well i'm trying to say that the salt lake villain of the year needs to be like the defense against the dark arts teacher right it's a revolving door if like i guess the voldemort is jen shaw right oh my god that's amazing making these metaphors but like in the way that she sort of looms over the whole franchise and like yeah is there and then she had her like little you know death eaters coming in like monica and you know there was jenny and god remember jenny when jesus she was horrible and now we're getting bronwyn and i don't necessarily know that she's going to be a villain but i just think it would be fun for salt Salt Lake to have this insane character come in every year, fuck shit up, and our heroes make it through.
Oh my god. And that makes Heather gay Harry? That's incredible.
Someone make the poster now. You're a Mormon, Heather.
I'm a what? A Mormon. Oh wow wow.
Except it's not about getting invited to join a wizard school. It's about being compelled to leave the Mormon church.
To leave the church. And then Hagrid is Andy? Cohen? This is getting, we lost the thread.
Hagrid, Andy. Anyway, in a world where this is a one one-to-one then i guess we'd still be talking about harry potter but we simply can't although i will say i feel like we haven't said on the podcast but wow fuck her i think this is like a yearly thing we've said it a million times just like not in light of the recent shit it gets worse year after year though anytime i'm I'm like, oh, I forgot about Miss Joanne, then she, like, does something fucking disgusting again.
And you're like, oh, you. God, I thought we were done with you.
She is awful rotted. Isn't it wild how much like Voldemort she became? Like, if you really think about what she created and, like, what she's become, she's become like this like arbiter of negativity and hatred and transphobia.
And it's branching out into all these other things to the point where it's just like a gathering storm online that she's in the center of. And that to me is like very close to what she wrote.
Write that book. Yeah.
Well, it's like, no, I think I've said this before. It's like, this is someone who wrote like a huge morality tale, a fictionalized morality tale.
And so of course she's going to like form her own, she's going to create out of nothing like all of these morals and fears and all of these things within her own fucking weird imagination.

And then it's all imagined.

It's all like fucking crazy.

I hope, I hope she gets sued out of her fucking ass with this.

Well, I think she is, right?

Yeah, yeah.

She and Elon are both named into Manny Khalif's lawsuit.

And so we'll see how far this goes and how long this gets drawn out. But God, peace and blessings to gold medalists.
I know. Yeah, gold medalists, the Manny Khalif deserved.
And I would say I would love to see them get taken for as much money as possible. Because you know that they're made of it.
And even if they're taken for as much as possible, it still won't make a dent. But the fact is it needs to be public as fuck that you can't just fucking do this it's crazy and by the way you know who's max disgusting now is like oh i've kind of course but like and we'll stop talking about these demons but like megan kelly like back on her shit on her like youtube channel because this is all these people can get after they get kicked out of media.

And then they point to figure out how corporate media is evil, which whatever, it's a longer discussion. But they end up on their YouTube channels saying this shit like, yeah, why are men competing against women? It's so disgusting.
I mean, we really are flying around the map today, huh? Yeah. like Elphaba and Oz

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All episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu. So speaking of white, fair, and blessed, the cast of Salt Lake City, what was your pull? I'm excited for eight Lisa's at a table.
I'm also excited for Meredith vs. Mary.
What about you? I was going to say Meredith vs. Mary.
You've been using me for the past three years. Three years.
Just incredible. I personally don't believe that bringing Mary Cosby into the tableau and to promote her from friend of is the best move.
She's I think she's dangerous. I think she really is evil.
So I don't know about that. I am so excited for the for these people to be back.
I mean, we watched the Palm Springs episode the other night with Jared. We did.
I think we willed this trailer into existence because we watched it and the next morning we woke up and it was like today. Oh my God.
There was a teaser for the trailer all day and the Housewives fan community was on fire. That's how you know.
If there was a teaser for the trailer or a teaser for the trailer, yeah. They definitely were going to do that for Roni, but which we love and I think you and I are both on the same side of the roni trailer looks great we are genuinely excited for the season but that seems to be a point of division and contention in the community yeah people are dragging the roni trailer i'm like whatever i'm excited i'm i think it looks good i think it looks fun i i also know exactly what to expect from that which is it's going to be like that show is still finding its footing i would say to anyone out there who doesn't listen to Housewives and is still with us, I'm nearly 15 minutes in, Salt Lake is a really easy and good one to get on board with.
And it's already kind of in the modern era of Housewives, the best. Yeah.
And also it's sure to write. The first season's like 13 episodes or something.
The second season is like peak TV. Incredible.
And then the third season kind of tapers. And then the fourth season is really fucking good.
And ends in the most, probably the most satisfying conclusion. Yes.
It starts on a high note and ends on a higher note. And we will keep saying it should have been nominated for Best Unstructured Reality 100 for outstanding unstructured unstructured reality television program like open your eyes emmy voters that is by the way we have to the end of the week to vote if you're an emmy voter i want to see bow and yang checked off on your box we need to take these other nominees down we need bow and yang to take it it's less about bow winning it's about the other ones Getting taken down.
nominees down. We need Bowen Yang to take it.
It's less about Bowen winning. It's about the other ones getting taken down.
Take down former guest of the podcast, Paul W. Downs.
Just kidding. He deserves to win.
Love, Paul. I just like to have been brushing up on the shows again.
And for some reason, I just like blew through hacks when it came out. And I was like, let me give this one more watch.
I loved the season so much. Season three.
You mean you blew through it because it was just like, you just had it on. I just had it on.
I guess I wasn't like keyed in as much as I like should have been. And then like the finale was like, whoa, oh my God.
And then I like wanted to like watch it back from the beginning because I feel like they were planting things throughout the season. And God, great show.
It's a fucking amazing show. Just like, I think it's gotten better season over season.
I've loved every season, but like the first season, like my only thought was like, I wish this was just a little bit more joke heavy. And I think like they really struck that balance by season three.
Like it's a genuinely amazingly on a joke level, great show. And then it's also like all like the dramatic things that are happening in it are so rich.
And anyway, loved it. It's really great to watch like something like they have earned all of those come really compelling dramatic moments

like at the end of the season between Ava and Debra and I would say that that is a really

fascinating type of relationship for me like yeah sort of mentor mentee thing but it's also it's so

loaded within that dynamic.

And there is a parental thing, but the reminder that you should not invest in a parental sense in this person in that way, it's almost borderline abusive. Actually, I would argue that that relationship is kind of fully abusive, like psychologically.
but it's fascinating to watch and you don't really see it done that much and that well on television especially because you feel like not a lot of stuff gets to marinate for that long i mean this is four seasons we've watched of that relationship and it's still interesting yeah and it's still really compelling and you get the sense that like it's just two amazing characters colliding and and there is so many smart ways in which they interact and it doesn't ever feel basic or expected it's just one of those things totally agree with you and even the relationships outside of that central dynamic i think are incredibly compelling my favorite episode of the season was deborah vance christmas spectacular written by pat regan and it's it's where jay smith cameron comes for the christmas dinner and it's like they have like she and deborah have a whole scene outside i was just like jay smith cameron yeah she's a legend my only no for succession needed more jerry every single season yeah i guess she kind of had to take a little bit of a backseat this last season, huh? I know, but I was just like, I miss Jerry. I want more Jerry.
I miss succession in general. I miss succession in general.
Are you kidding me? But you know what everyone is kind of saying is the new succession? Yeah, so are you an industry girlie? I need to start. Me too.
And here's the thing. I tried the first season and I will just admit this.
i don't know what the fuck they're talking about okay on a base level and the way they talk is so british that i don't understand it on again a deeper level and so sometimes i'm just like i i need like not even subtitles i need like an explainer at the bottom yeah you need foot I'm saying? You need footnotes. It's a couple different worlds, both like, you know, professionally and culturally that I'm just like, hold on a second.
Because did you feel that way about Succession starting out? Because Succession, there was like this barrier of like, like, what are they talking about? It's like, what the fuck is a bear hug? Like all this stuff, like I had to like eventually acclimate towardsimate towards i understand what you're saying completely and i wonder if it's just some extra work extra push honestly with succession no because i think it was so car it was like such a comedy and it was so kind of cartoonish that like and i do mean that in like the best way i mean those characters when you really look at them like they are those characters are so comedy games are so clear. And that ultimately is what makes them dramatically compelling because you put them in very dramatic situations, very tragic situations.
And so when they act a certain way, it's like you, you, it's very Mad Men. I mean, it's like the smallest thing elicits the biggest emotional response from you, the viewer, because the characters are drawn so well.
And so when you know the stupid little ways they're going to act because they just can't help themselves and you put them in very dramatic, tragic situations, it makes everything all the more heartbreaking because you're kind of laughing. Yeah.
Anyway, to just to return to the industry of it all and succession, I got succession because it was presented in a way that gave me like a comedic way in. Whereas industry, like I just have to give it another shot because it's everyone loves it.
No, I, yeah, of course everyone loves it. But I kind of Joel's on this season.
Yes. Oh my God.
I think, but I think next episode Joel is on. We just have to push past it.
It's like, so someone Lauren Mandel's father, Lauren Mandel, who helps us produce the culture awards every year, miracle worker. We got dinner with her last night and she was, we hadn't seen her in a while.
And she was saying how her father went to the culture awards and he said, and I think this is kind of, maybe this is helpful for you. Like he was like, I felt like I was in a foreign country.
I did not know what the hell was being said on stage or around me but i could not stop smiling and laughing and i think it's it's maybe it's that same thing of like this is a foreign language and you will but you will be swept up in the sort of the ethos of it you know like it's that that is what's being sold to you And that's what we love about television, right? It's like, oh, we're in another, like we're in a world for a bit. I will say the first season I watched, I believe it's the first episode.
There is a scene in industry when like it's these two gay guys and like one of them just sort of rolls up to the other's apartment and that you can tell they're like so

fucking horny for each other and there is a in this scene literally just like they start making out the one guy throws the other guy on the couch takes his pants off and just literally enters the guy full tilt okay right away and i was like this is a fantasy yeah like just took this cock immediately and i was like can i say something i fucking wish that's how they do it in the uk that's that's a british thing no way as would you know you. No.
You and your fanny. I know what you've been doing, shaking your fanny all around the Soho area of London.
You're such a whore, Bowen. Bowen Yang whore.
It's really close to number eight. Can you imagine? Bowen Yang whore point is

well we should get into industry

I guess

it'll fill some

succession shaped hole

I mean

should we talk about

should we talk about how

Vulture did a whole piece

about how

like trying to get to the bottom

of why

the morning show

got so many Emmy nominations

like it really

got so many

everyone's such a hater

but I think

but like I think

the reason that I'm taking away

the big thing that I'm taking away

is because

it's the first post-accession year at the Emmys, right? It was not, okay, let's just say this. I think The Morning Show is great.
Like, I think it is what it is. I think it's an incredible soap, and I think it doesn't apologize for being a soap.
I think it leans all the way in, and it's very good at that. So, the category that it should compete in is drama, and it's a soapy drama, and I think it doesn't apologize for being a soap.
I think it leans all the way in and it's very good at that. So the category that it should compete in is drama and it's a soapy drama.
And I think if it's good at being that and people are watching it and it's delivering on the promise of the premise, if you would, then give it its Emmy nominations. I think it doesn't pretend to not be a show where Reese Witherspoon goes to space.
Right. And so I think people are taking issue with it being rewarded, which I think is not, not the thing.
That's not the conversation to be. Can I say this is a huge stretch, but it's a little misogynist to me.
I think a little bit. To be like, oh, this thing that's like soapy and delivers and, you know, has us talking, you know what I mean? I look forward to it a lot because i watch it and i scream laughing and i'm dying watching it and i i'm i'm the biggest fan of it i know what it's ridiculous you hear me talk about the third graders like literally on a ride to heaven and hell at the same time writing this show but the thing is like it is really good at being that yeah and that is a is a form of entertainment.
So just because you're not crying real tears and wracked with emotions after watching something in a real grounded way does not mean that it's not worth its salt. And I feel like to hold against it, its tone and its genre is a little misogynist to me.
if we're really going to argue about like what it is at the base to write it off as like fluffy or pulpy. Yeah.
I get like people looking at it and being like, Oh, everyone from the show is nominated. Yeah.
Like it wasn't a particularly competitive television Emmy year. You know what I mean? Like that's why I got in there.
Shut up. That's not literally not true.
I'm kidding. But I will say like, and I've on the record about this.
Anytime it feels like three or four shows are nominated for everything. It doesn't mean those things were that much better than everything else.
It means the campaigns worked. It means the money talked.
And it means that probably wasn't that competitive of a year. And also like those things are probably quality.
You know what I mean? And we're here to say that the morning show is quality. Like I read, I read this piece and I was like, oh, but it's also just like, it is like the biggest drama on television right now.
Besides like Shogun and whatever. Oh yeah, Shogun.
I think Shogun is taking everything. Shogun is taking everything.
But we're saying, but like, just let Morning Show have the W. And also like, for the reasons that everyone is saying, it's not going to win.
You know what I mean? Like, because people have already like, there's like this weird kick up about like, and I think we do contribute to it because I get on here and I say, it's the most insane show ever. We contribute to it.
We contribute to it in the right way. And we have it on good authority that the people at Apple TV love it.
All I know is that there's no notes from, I haven't heard anyone be like, wow, you guys are really rough on that show. No, it's very clearly my favorite show.
Enough. Actually, you know what? I hope it wins.
Me too. I would scream.
I've, you know, I've wanted an Emmy in Jennifer Aniston's hands for that part for a very long time. Of course.
Did she ever win for Friends? No. She did win for Friends.
She went and went, oh yeah. She did win for Friends.
The Emmy winners from Friends are Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow. Never, none of the guys? None of the guys ever won an Emmy for Friends.
Nominations came, but

they did not get the W.

I would say that the most underrated

person on that show is Courtney.

Definitely.

Monica holds the senator. It's not Rachel.

It's Monica. It's her house.

Oh, I'm going to sneeze.

Heddy-choo!

Heddy-choo!

Heddy-choo!

Heddy-choo! Four? Keep that in. Four.
I want them to know it was me. Yeah, that was 4.
It's always 4. It's always 4.
Never 5. It's sometimes 5, but it's always 4.
Is it a good day when it's 5? It's really culture number 19. When Matt sneezes, it's sometimes five.

But it's always four.

Always four.

Is it a good, is it lucky if you get to five?

No, I think something's wrong at that point.

Oh.

So this is bizarre.

But my grandmother and I share that when we get full,

like when we've eaten enough, we sneeze four times. Wow.
I just started acupuncture and I think this is something that can be addressed. Well, can I say, if it's going to address it by making me stop sneezing, I don't want that because I love to sneeze more than I love to cum.
And I love to cum. And I love to cum.
What is coming if not sneezing from your dick?

From the bottom, from your dick.

From your fanny.

From your fanny.

What is shitting if not sneezing from your ass?

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Just turn to a delicious solution from Stouffer's, a meal that will always leave everyone happy, especially you. Especially me with the lasagna.
Maybe some chicken enchiladas. Spaghetti with meat sauce is always a winner.
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They look pretty fun. They look pretty fun.
I'm excited. I'm so excited.
Yes, the sheer. The sheer's a made it.
Patti LuPone. Yeah.
Little guy from Heartstopper or whatever. Joe Locke.
Joe Locke. That is a show that you will never hear us talking about because we are simply not in the right demo.
That's it. Heartstopper? Yeah.
I've tried so many times with that show and I'm just like, I'm not, I need to accept that this is not made for me and that's okay. Yeah.
It sounds like you're having strife about it. No, it's not strife.
It's just, I think everyone, especially maybe people our age feel this like global sense of having to consume everything because we're like, I don't know, maybe we feel like we're right in the middle and we're, we're a bridge between generations. And so therefore we should like look at both sides or whatever.
Like, but I think maybe I'm getting to the age now as a 33 year old man where I'm like, oh, this high school drama D about two gay guys or whatever. Or a bunch of queer friends is like not for some reason.
It's not for me. And that's okay.
But there was a time when it was, and I would have loved this if I was half my age. But unfortunately, I'm double that age.
Part of me feels like, you know, that question of like, oh, I wish that this were around when I was younger. I think that's definitely true.
Like, I think had I been in high school and I saw like Love, Simon, I think I would have been like encouraged because I would have been I would have seen my peers go see that movie, et cetera. I'm really I remember when that movie came out and like, you know, like all the coolest people in America had things to say about like why it was problematic and stuff.
I'm like, it's kind of missing the point because like it's heart stopper at that time. Like, it's just not for.
It's for like, it's honestly for straight people to literally be like,

Hey,

I'm an ally and supporting this.

I'm Jennifer Gardner.

I can understand in a very basic way what's happening here.

This kid is stressed out because he feels he can't be himself,

et cetera,

whatever.

It doesn't have to speak for everyone.

It's,

it was just like a little,

you know,

the door was a jar at that moment.

But sometimes I think like going back to when I was that age and I would just like watch like high school musical and high school musical too. And it was just like these, these straight people.
I remember like feeling like there was like a, I had like a melancholy while I watched it the whole time, like as a little gay kid. Yeah.
Being like, Oh, I'm so, I love watching this this but it's just not for me and i don't know what this sensation is but i wouldn't replace that melancholy in my life like i i kind of it's not gave you perspective yeah it's not that i liked not having that representation because that's not true. But there's something about me now where I'm happy that I didn't have those types of things.
Not happy, but I can appreciate not having them then because I know it's important now. You know what I mean? It's like the absence of those things from when we were younger aids and like helps the creation now.
Yeah, because you can point to that moment as like, oh, I want to be able to write from this kind of pathos or whatever. But also you're thinking like, I know how to cope with this feeling from now on.
And so it's like, it's the reason why we're having this conversation now. We're like, oh, that's not for us.
Or like, we are outside of the circle for this and that's okay. Like, we're going to survive that.
We're not, there's no like dire limbic brain evolutionary need for us to be in that mix. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. It's funny.
Like I, I think back and sometimes I wonder like, um, am I going to be part of a generation that looks back and is resentful of the fact that looks down at the younger generation and is resentful about the opportunities they have. And because I could sense that sometimes from the generation up and those above us that there's like, sometimes it's like when, when the new generation has it easier based on whatever minority you occupy or like whatever it is that you're facing, there's the opportunity to be a little resentful of that upcoming generation because you're upset that you didn't have that.
And I guess like the way that I'm looking at things like this now is I don't regret the piece of me that formed emotionally when I felt like I didn't have those things. And it makes me really happy for like the new generation that has this representation and has these shows to look forward to almost because of the fact that I like the like almost grief I had about like not having that or like that's what it ended up turning into

I think has made me the type of person and the type of artist and type of creator I am right now

so it's not a thing where I'm looking back and being like I wish I had been able to see

two high school boys kiss on a ferris wheel right and it's like I'm really happy that's there now

I don't regret not having that because I think it actually made me who i am to feel like there was a missing thing in culture that was that yeah and i'm not claiming to occupy the space where that is represented now what i'm saying is i like what it did for me as a person ultimately to be lacking that at the time. You're not disoriented in that place.
If you feel that for, because you will feel that way throughout your whole life of being like, Oh, I wish that was for me. Like, am I, am I making sense? Well, it's like in high school, like when you're upset the whole time, cause all your straight friends have girlfriends and boyfriends and you don't.
Right. You know what I mean? I wouldn't want to go back and have a, maybe I would, or I guess what I'm saying is it's like, I don't regret the way that things turned out.
For some reason, this is making me think about, first of all, that is like such a cogent thing that you're saying. Thanks.
Just thinking about like the way we might become an older generation that like looks at a younger one and is resentful. Like it's making me think about not that I'm bringing this up and like shoehorning this in but like this interview magazine thing with Chaperone came out where she and I talked and then someone was talking to me about it and saying like it was just so nice to see like someone, someone of, like, a different, like, queer micro-generation, like, reach out and, like, give her, like, you know, talk to her and give her a hug and not make it feel transactional.
I'm like, oh, thanks. And then I was like, yeah, because I guess, I was like, is this how, like, older gay men, like, gay men who were older than Gaga when she was first starting out, like, is this how they felt towards her? Or I thought, were they a little too wrapped up in the Madonna of it all? Like, were they trying to, like, be loyal to Madonna and therefore, like, maybe Gaga did not feel that same sense of, like, although what am I saying? Of course she did.
But, like, maybe she in some way did not feel that same sense of, like, communal protection around her the way that, like, like, I just can't imagine Gaga feeling resentful towards Chapel in the way that way that like madonna definitely was towards gaga well it's no longer cool to have that mentality yeah yeah it's that and also we are in a culture now where it would be incredibly like a huge alarm bell and red flag if lady gaga looked down at chaperone and was like fuck yeah in the way that and also we're not in a we're not necessarily or they're maybe not feeling as much the need to give in to the thing the media does of pitting women against yeah other women and older women against younger women whatever women against women in general like that's it we've called that out to such an extent right now that if Lady Gaga were to be like chapel roans, like this, and this is not happening, but like whatever copying me or like, you know, in my image, et cetera, in the way that Madonna would hint. Right.
But which is again, not happening. It would be received less than badly.
Definitely. It would go through the floor.
And I also wanted to say about that interview piece, like I was reading it and I was like, Bowen was the perfect person to do this because you're both queer, but occupy different subsects of what that means. But also I think the thing that's happening with Chapel, and it almost feels like weird to even comment on it in the wake of having the knowledge about this, But this thing that is happening with her about the very sudden, very accelerated rise to superstardom, I think that you actually can speak to that.
You accelerated SNL in a very, very, very fast way. I mean, you were a featured cast member who occupied a space on that show pretty immediately and were nominated for an Emmy, the first ever featured cast member to be nominated for an Emmy.
And also like we talked about a few weeks ago, like you serve a purpose on that show as like a representative for it and a star of it. And I think that happened like relatively quickly.
So no, it wasn't six weeks of like chapel releases, like good luck, babe. And then it's like all of a sudden, whatever.
But I thought that what was so compelling about your conversation was that you were giving her advice, maybe without even thinking about that, but in sharing your experience and in hearing her, it felt like these are two people that lived a similar type of thing. And that's why it's compelling to see them have this conversation, especially in the wake of everything she's going through, which is her discomfort with her level of notoriety so quickly.
Yeah. Because that was something that you experienced.
Yes. And that was something I struggled with.
It was a really nice conversation. We obviously root for her.
They did, and I have to say again, edit out the part where I said my best friend Matt on the podcast introduced me to her. I know, but still.
I was like erasure of lost culture. Should we tell the story of that night? What? No.
No. No.
We can't tell the story of that night. We can't.
We were, I was depressed. Bone was depressed.
We were in different cities. I was in London.
You were in LA. You were in London.
I was in LA. I had just seen Chaperone.
And I had just seen Chaperone at the Fonda. And I had been taking for an emotional ride.
I texted Bone, oh my God, Chaperone is the new girl. You have to get into her.
Like I'm telling you, this is a four alarm thing. Like she's the next Lady Gaga, et cetera.
I texted Bowen and Bowen ignored my text and posted a picture of him and Ariana Maddox. Me, Ariana Maddox.
Also, it was like 4 a.m. I was in a car on this, on the way to Wicked, to the Wicked set.
I was so delirious from the travel and the SNL week the week before and like just so discombobulated in a way, in a degree that was dissociative and I had a full breakdown later on that summer. And so Matt like was just getting home from like a bender, I would say.
Not a bender. I was on one because I saw Chapel and like this is, wow.
You were so like, I don't know, like riled up. Drunk.
Drunk? I was wasted probably doing other things and I remember I had been so lit up from Chapel. I went out and we ho and then whatever the fuck happened, I think I met up with a couple friends and I came home and I had texted Moen and he had not responded but he did post a picture of him in Ariana Maddox and I was just like, and I remember I texted you.
I was like, how come you can post a picture of Ariana Maddox and you can't even respond to my text about Chapel Rhone? And Bone was just like, I am depressed, period. And I was like, I'm depressed too.
And we just got to. And then I was.
We were screaming fight on the street. And then this phone call transferred from the car that dropped me off at base camp on Wicked to my trailer.
The PAs were about to ask me for my breakfast order. But before they could knock on my door, they absolutely heard me scream at the top of my lungs.
We were screaming at each other. We were screaming at each other.
This was a... It was really bad.
This was the stalagmite depths of our friendship. Honestly, this was a bad moment of the friendship.
Can I say, how many fights have we had like that in our entire friendship? Three. Yeah, three or four.
But you know what we always do? Let's say 90% of the time, it resolves in that same conversation. Of course.
Would you say that that one did? Yes, it literally did. Because remember, I started sobbing.
I was like, this is about other things. I was like, I'm so sorry.
I was like, I don't want to fight with you. Right.
And both of us were like, sobbing. Come on.
Yeah. I think we were like, what is this? We were like what is this what's happening like this is something like beyond our control but it was it's so funny the origin the the seed crystal of that the powder keg was chapel room it literally was an ari automatics and ari automatics it's these two women talk about a fucking time capsule it was like it was the night i just i really discovered chapel rowan and i went to bowen and i was just like you know what it was i was so positive you would love her of course and the only concern i had was that you do that and also i'll just say vulnerable thing for me i am very sensitive to when i send a text i'm gonna say i'll, I'll say someone, but I will say you a text and then there's response on group chats or like you posting elsewhere.
It just, it drives, it drives me crazy. Cause I feel like I'm being ignored.
And then I think you're mad at me and I'm very sensitive to that. And so that's what it was.
And also me being that drunk, but you were, you were going through so much and I just we were both going through it we both were but I in that moment my you know Achilles heel I think I just got in my feelings and made it a little about some about me and about something else and I immediately broke the fuck down because I realized what I was doing and I think it's like one of those times when it's like When you get so upset or you get so angry and you get so hurt and you realize It's like you're aware of the fact that like oh i'm not doing well. It's not about this.
I'm just not doing well It's such a bad feeling when that kind of realization sets in you're like, oh fuck Yeah, I am not okay And I was out of way out of pocket way out of pocket well there were just substances involved on your end and there was sleep deprivation involved on my end it was not a good mix I would say the versions of us that are not great collided oh god anyway but that is the first time I said to Bo and Chapel Rhone ron and i showed you an artist that i know you're gonna love i'm like cackling i'm throwing my head back yeah and it probably did last like what 15 16 minutes but when i tell you sometimes like maybe it's like four or five times in my life i have heard this sound come out of my my body. I've never heard you scream that way.
Like bear scream to the point where I was like, Oh, like I am, I screwed back at you kind of in the same timbre. You did.
You did. It did not feel good.
I'm a screamer. I, when I scream, I fucking scream.
I'm telling you, like I've gotten into arguments with you like this. Like again, once bluest moon Sudi and I years ago got into it on this it always happens on the street really late at night and we got into it on the street in front of our Parkside apartment in such an insane like rabid way I would say this is very healthy no one needs to be alarmed like this is just something that like friends friends do like it's it's bloodletting it's like emotional bloodletting this is just depending on the friendship this this is helpful keep going well i mean literally it only happens with people that you really care about because i think the only other person that i've gotten like that with is my father like in high school that sort of disconnect between father and son like was the last time I can remember being that upset.

But it was,

it was again about a mil,

about,

well, not a million other things about one big other thing.

Sure.

But then a million other things in its orbit within that.

Yes.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's the birth story of Chapel.

I think I was also incredibly jealous that you had a picture with Ariana.

At the time I was like, Oh, so you can post a picture with Ariana Maddox? It can't stand on my text. I was like, I want a picture with Ariana Maddox.
And then I just, I went off the deep end. We're such gay guys.
Oh, ultimately, yeah. Ultimately, yeah.
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See Mint Mobile for details. Wait, speaking of Gaga, we just kind of brushed up.
We need to talk about Die With a Smile. Oh, I love Die With a Smile.
It is my new favorite. Music is back is back Music is so bad You say now in August 2024 Music has been Really ripping and hello This weekend Oh my god short and sweet Short and sweet There is so much Lisa has a new song with Rosilia Flo has a.
Flo has a new EP, has a new single from their EP check. Flo has a new single.
Bro has the new, the new Tinashe EP, Quantum Maybe, Incredible. No Broke Boys.
Cross that line I'm obsessed with. Yeah, Tinashe is.
Tinashe is it. We haven't talked about Addison Rae.
We haven't talked about Diet Pepsi. Forever by Charlie Bliss.
Amazing new album by Charlie Bliss. If you don't know them, wonderful pop-pump band.
They're going on tour soon. And just, I don't know.
I'm just like excited. Oh my God.
There's a new girl, Zolita. Everyone should listen to.
Queen of Hearts. Zolita? You are going to fucking love this.
Lolita with a Z? Lolita with a Z. Queen of Hearts.
It's like, it's an EP album, eight track. So it's like in that, right in that middle zone, that liminal space.
But she's got like dance pop, some country pops moments. You are going to fucking love her all over again.
All Girls Go to Heaven, Small Town Scandal. What if? I mean, so good.
Okay. Anyway, that's my, every episode in the year 2024 of Lots Culture is going to be about music, period.
Buckle up, strap yourself in. Wait, I haven't even sat on the pod yet, but the song, Katie Gavin, Katie, I was going to say Katie.
Oh my God. I love After Tastes and it hit me hard when I finally listened to it because I get it.
And like, I texted Katie and I was like, I think that we share a heart and a brain because she just always says the thing. Like, whether it's with moona now her solo stuff like obviously i'm the biggest munistan but like i'm just so excited for her new music i'm so excited for it i mean i i've said time and time again i think that she as a vocalist and a writer like is one of our generation's greats to use the word generation for the millionth time today, just like how there's a million people out there in the world.
But I love her. I love her.
We love her. She's in Casual Drug Use, the new song from the album.
She was so generous with us after Culture Award. She sent us the full album.
The full album's incredible. It's just so incredible.
People are gonna, I mean, it's not even like people, how could you ever be surprised? Like, she's brilliant. Like, they're so great.
And okay, just to speak about the Addison Rae of it all. So I had a tug of war in my mind.
I had a war in my mind, as Lana would say. But I'm so happy I just decided to ride and really give into this song because, wow, it's so much fun.
And it's so great. The production on her music is sometimes like, well, I guess it kind of has to be, but it's 10.
No, I don't think she doesn't know. One, one of the number one things I like about Addison Rae in this recording

artist era is how self-aware of the fact.

Yeah.

She is that like,

yeah,

she's Addison Rae.

She's doing this thing.

She had a very clear reference here and it's Lana Del Rey.

It's Lana.

She's ahead of it and really aware of it.

And I think that's what makes the song and the music video so strong is the fact that

it gets to like riff on Lana

actively because it's aware

at the front and it's all

complimentary and

reverence

and the song's also

fucking fun. What do you make of

the song originally being called Backseat

but then Miss Charlie

XCX goes change it

to die Pepsi. Yeah I think

that's exactly right. I think Charlie XCX

Thank you. the song originally being called Backseat, but then Miss Charlie XCX goes, change it to Diet Pepsi.
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think Charlie XCX knows.
I think it's actually Real Coaching Number 30. Charlie XCX knows.
She was exactly right. I think Diet Pepsi is so much like more, to use my best friend's word, serrated.
Oh. I think it pops more than Backseat.
Diet Pepsi makes you, I mean, mean you're never gonna forget that it's Diet Pepsi cause it's so it's like fringe Diet Pepsi is fucking fringe well Diet Pepsi is like it's fringe culture is eternal is an eternal thing in the culture that has always been there will always be there and it's one of those things that makes you go oh yeah and then for this girl to write a song about it that is not really about diet pepsi in the end not at all is kind of incredible but we're such diet coke girlies speaking of which it's so good we need to pay respects as the internet and the world already has to delta work to forget it to the diet coke i've watched it five times it is it five times. It is the pinnacle.
It is a moment in culture. It is a moment in culture.
We might have to have a new list because Delta works diet Coke challenge is a moment in culture. Watch it.
If you haven't, if you have watch it again, it is, it's the most impressive thing. It is a scream.
I remember watching the first time and going, oh my God, that's amazing. And I think for some reason, I thought that she was told what the five sources of Diet Coke were to begin with.
She was. Well, she was, but she wasn't.
Because at one point when she's drinking the Burger King Diet Coke, she goes, ooh, maybe this is from Panera.

So I think she went in knowing that they got her

Diet Cokes from places that she frequents,

but it was more than five, and so therefore

the extra layer of challenge

in this is that it wasn't just like a,

oh, let me just do a one-to-one

sort of like from the five that I

know in my head. It was

like from all the places that, and this is someone who goes and is a fast food aficionado. Connoisseur.
Connoisseurs, like knows. Connoisseurs.
Like there's a, there's a big range of sources of Diet Coke for her. And she, for her to willow down to those five, incredible.
Can I tell you the only place, so here's a reveal. I don't know how much of a reveal it is, but I used to eat fast food in my twenties.
I'm going to say at least three, four times a week. At least it was like that.
It was bad. Like the metabolism was doing all the work because the forces of evil, AKA my brain were at play.
And my instinct was to eat this all the time. So, and it's to the point, and I don't know how you feel about this outside of Del Taco, which I don't frequent.
Yeah. I could have done that.
I could have done the diet Coke challenge and every, so she's walking through why she knows that these Cokes are certain.

Her palate is so refined.

I think I could have been right there with her because every single thing she

said, I was like, yes,

McDonald's soda machines are a little bit more carbonated. Yes.

The burger King,

there is a lack of pride in the presentation when it comes to the soda.

It is always a little flat and there's a little bit too much sweetness in it.

Like a little bit too much like syrup syrup it's like a little too much in terms of bottles and cans oh there is a huge difference yeah to the point where you're like why the fuck are we drinking out of plastic bottles at all we could taste the difference the only difference is the fact that there's plastic in the shit that you're drinking. So do not drink out of a plastic bottle.
Especially if can confirm you taste the plastic. You probably have the same anatomical tongue as Delta work where she's tasting the plastic.
You're drinking the micro. Absolutely.
But as she's walking through it and then she started to talk about the butt ice but baby the butt ice is so fucking real and the butt ice is in those like those fast food joints that don't take pride in the presentation it's 100 i think i could have gotten all of them but del taco being first would have thrown me because i don't do del taco right it's not my culture she whole thing about like, look, they have my name in the title or my name in the name, Del Taco. Anyway, I'm telling you, I think I could do a nugget challenge for sure.
Burger challenge would be easy because like, oh yeah, so specific, but she said she could do ranch. I was like, oh, that's insane.
Ranch is insane. She said she wanted to do cookie.
Yeah. Cookie is like less interesting to me because it's like, it's hard to make that.
Um, shall we say like a blind test? Right. The Diet Coke is perfect.
Yeah. It has to be through a straw.
You can't see where it's coming from. What you can only see the delivery system and not the actual, and there needs to be like a, a consistency around the sort of the way it's, it's coming into you.
Like that's the delivery system. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. When you said delivery system, it made me think of we were driving yesterday in West Hollywood and we saw one of those delivery boxes.
Maybe that's my I don't think so, honey. Let's do it.
It's time for I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture matt seems to have something and i can only emphatically agree with him are you ready yeah i'm ready this is matt rogers i don't think so when he's time starts now i don't think so honey at least in los angeles there's those delivery food delivery robots the boxes on the street i'm telling you this sucks why are people talking about they're taking our jobs go come to west hollywood i'm telling you who's taking your job a box a robot box that is i'm sorry but not reliable i could just knock that box over and guess who's not getting your food you 30 seconds i have no idea why no idea why this is the case.
Why can't we give people the jobs?

Let's give people the jobs

because guess what? Could move faster than

this rolling box on the street.

A person, a galvanized

person who wanted to do a good job that day

because they were making good living.

These robot boxes,

they're bumping into each other in West Hollywood

like they're some gay guys. Bumping that.

Bumping that. Five seconds.
And I'm just, I

feel insulted every time I'm seeing them because

I'm going them because I know there's good food in there and I want it and it's not happening quickly I don't think so honey I don't like it their stupid little blinking eyes stop that and stop trying to make them cute give me a break send a check to Pixar because you're trying to make them WALL-E. Hello, these boxes, you could never be WALL-E.
You could never be WALL-E. We're going to Disneyland later today.
I can't wait. What ride are you most excited about doing? Incredicoaster, of course.
I don't think I've done cars before. You've never done cars? Right.
Is that pretty new? Again, I have not been in five years. Oh my

God. So this new

thing is happening where I realized my concept

of how much time has passed is like

not good because I said, Bo, what are you

talking about? We went a couple of years ago and I

realized when I took you, it was

pre-pandemic. Pre-COVID.

Wow. Okay.

So lots to do now. Maybe we didn't get

on Radiator Springs Racers, but I will

trust and believe we will get on it today Thank you. pre-pandemic.
Pre-COVID. Wow.
Okay, so lots to do now.

Maybe we didn't get on

Radiator Springs Racers,

but I will trust and believe

we will get on it today.

It's my favorite.

And we will be going to

the Little Mermaid ride.

All right.

She's the most beautiful woman

in the world.

Ariel?

Yes.

I guess it's weird that I even

had asked the question, huh?

Who else?

And Ursula.

I think Ursula is a great beauty and a sex icon. Body language! Ha! I just, you cannot, if you are not at all attracted to Ursula, stop lying to yourself.
You're in denial, bitch. God, that is pure raw sexual power.
It's sexual energy ursula shows up and says dare you to think anything other than what i would be like rocking your world tonight in my cave in my cave tentacles all up in your fanny you're about to get sucked in by my fanny can you imagine Disney doing the tit jiggle when she shimmies in Poor Unfortunate

Souls, they could... I'm stucked in by my fanny.
Can you imagine Disney doing the tit jiggle when she shimmies in Poor Unfortunate Souls?

They could never get away with that.

They would never do it now.

But that is so important.

Huge.

Poor Unfortunate Souls.

Like her tits are shaking as they draw closer to the screen.

I feel like we've lost the way. I'm ready.
No, here. No, I'm ready.
Okay, put me on the clock. All right.
Here we go. I love it.
This is Bowen Yang's fresh out the oven. Fresh out the slammer.
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. What is the current state of the Disney villains? We are just treading on nostalgia for the past, what, two decades? Name the last great Disney villain.
Best I can come up with is King Candy slash Turbo and Wreck-It Ralph, voiced by the incomparable Alan Tudyk, a voice acting legend, comedy legend, big hunk legend. But other than that, I can't think of last great disney villain because maybe they're too afraid to give you like a big popping disney villain because it's like they absolutely are because it's like you know they don't want the kids to sympathize with them too much or like identify with them it is so important for children to identify with villainy on some degree so that you can develop some kind of compassion or understanding or complex emotional knowledge of how the human condition is you need a good villain in order to move through this world in order to sort of five seconds have fun with it in order to be a participant of life you need a good disney villain and we've lost that thread for years now and that's one minute it's a symptom of something which is just fear in general.
It's like, it's just, so I guess like the Disney villains used to be so queer coded. Yes.
And now in a world where they're so afraid of like hinting at any queerness or like acknowledging any queerness or like, you know, it just feels like things get softer and softer and softer. We've lost even that element of it.
Also, these villains are supposed to stand in for something. They're supposed to represent something else, something in society that is an evil, whether it's like, you know, greed or control or unchecked power.
And the fact is like, you can't really summarize that stuff when you are that. When you represent all those things, period.
I was just going to say like, wait a minute. like you weren't really summarize that stuff when you are that when you represent all those things I was just gonna say like wait a minute like you are there's a fear of self-examination going on here where you're like well wait we can't make yeah it's crazy it's also just from a storytelling perspective like it's at this point it would be boring for another movie to come out and the villain is actually my own doubts you know what I mean give me a fucking break stop it put someone in a crazy fucking outfit have them have an overdrawn physical feature whatever it is and have them talk like a gay and have them tear it up and give them a big song i miss scar i miss i miss queer uncle scar who was so pissed that he had to sing Be Prepared

while his hyenas gooned around him.

Excuse me.

That was culture.

And that was intro to gooning 101, the hyenas.

That's a rule of culture.

Sorry, one more time so we can say it together.

The hyenas in Lion King were intro to gooning 101.

Okay, what rule of culture is that? that 12 it's rule of culture number 12 the hyenas and lion king that was intro to gooning 101 especially ed ed was gooning the entire time like come on we're so scared of being raw it just makes these things so boring and you know what's also annoying you know who had a good villain the princess and the frog had a great villain i know that was a great villain and they made this disney ride and like so the princess princess tati's value dip has replaced splash mountain and the big complaint about that ride is there's no like dramatic tension there's no element of fear there's nothing and they even had one built in and they refused to do it god what is that like they don't want the kids like is it the parents don't want the kids to be too like they're they're afraid to upset the kids or something like i don't know you know it's like there's no danger in anything it's like you know i'm saying it's like if anything at disney villain is important to like make tangible the fears that children have and to to give them some sort of model to like overcome it or defeat it quote unquote you know it's like god yeah it's wow we really just like stumbled into this idea that like i think we've no one has ever vocalized we haven't been able to vocalize at least least on this show. Like the Disney, maybe Donna Murphy as Mother Gothel was the last great Disney villain.
And even that was like easy for them to bring out and draw out because like it's literally based on something else. It's in the story, yeah.
And I guess like Frozen is based on the Snow Queen in which she was the villain. But in Frozen, it's like a sneaky villain.
Like it's the guy was the prince and was supposed to be good. It's such a cop-out.
You know what I mean? Honestly, at the time it wasn't and I remember being surprised by it because I'm like, oh, look, it's actually this guy. But since then, you just get the sense that that kind of keeps getting repeated.
I just would encourage some more straightforward stuff. It's okay.
There are evil people out there. Yes.
You know what I mean? Like there are, and there are evil things out there that, that should be personified in these stories. And it doesn't all have to be like, you have to overcome yourself.
No. Sometimes there are external forces that come in and test you.
It's not always what's going on in interior. We need like our generations, like Pat Carroll and Jonathan Freeman.
Like we need like Ruby McAllister to voice like an evil lamp or something. Oh, 100%.
100%. Maybe we have to create it, Bo.
Maybe we do. Although I will say not to like talk about my own resume.
I couldn't talk about this during the strikes, but I voiced a villain in a Netflix film, The Monkey King. Check it out.
that was and i was it was queer coded i had a song it was so much fun and i'm so lucky that i got to do it and i'm just saying like it's it's a treat for a performer to do like like there's like it's just fun to do it's fun to watch like put it back into a movie into all movies we need great villains in kids entertainment. It's just funny that we're talking about this with Disney, too, because they just announced the villain's land that they're going to make.
So it feels like maybe they do know this. But it's like, if you know this, then, like, let's see more of them created.
Like, it's, you know what I'm saying? We're getting a new princess every other year. It's like, there has not been a canonized new Disney villain in quite some time.
Did you ever see Wish?

I started it and I was like, nah.

I just can't.

It's supposed to be Chris Pine.

Chris Pine's the villain.

Is he?

Yeah, I think so.

Okay.

Anyway, I just, I had to stop.

I just think evil is worth representing.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Give us something to conquer, hon, that isn't in here. I'm doing therapy for that.
Exactly. There should be an evil therapist.
Wait, the one thing I wanted to talk about that we didn't get to was this Trump using AI Taylor Swift. Oh, forget it.
It's just so crazy because it's like this insane, this stupid fucking and this is how you know that the discourse has to be so lame and watered down on a on like a huge mainstream level because there is no there there to the discourse of who is taylor swift gonna endorse babe even in a world where she where she is the worst version of what people may think she is, which is like a brazen capitalist that only cares about the bottom line, et cetera, even in that world where she maybe in this made up scenario does vote for Donald Trump in the booth, in the privacy of the booth, it is so stupid to think that in any world, she, Taylor Swift, who makes, who writes lyrics like she writes, writes a song like The Man, is the person that she is, has publicly denounced Trump before in many ways, released a full documentary about her anger about this. It is crazy to assume that she would ever endorse Donald Trump publicly standing what she stands for.
So why are we talking about it? Like, yes, he used her fake AI, but like, you only allowed him to do that by prolonging this thing of like, who's she going to endorse? Like, she is who she is if she stands for what she stands for. She's gonna come out and say Kamala.
This insane thing of like, who is it gonna be? It's like it's like pay attention for two seconds I mean they're just kind of using this period until she does say something to like I don't know drive clicks or whatever but like this this AI story is so fucking stupid it's so insane and I hope that there is some legal recourse that can be taken there because it feels crazy to me that he can do that and then post it on an official account and you know I think it's like officially from the Trump camp is like well there's like Swifties for Trump and this is a movement that's growing all the time which is like a lie I'm sure there are Taylor Swift fans out there her being like you know such a red state and blue state figure throughout her career I'm sure there are Swift Swifties for Trump, but why are we even allowing him to do that? She so clearly represents everything that is in opposition to what he represents. I think I was a little stoned when you or Jared showed me that.
I was like, no, I can't. This isn't Like, it's so bizarre and surreal to me.
I get that he gets to get away with all of his lies because he is who he is. And, you know, people genuinely just believe what he says.
Like, we're just in a world now where there's like, I guess two medias and one is, has convinced one half of the country and the other has, you know, quote unquote convinced the other half because they're representing like something that resembles more reality which is that he's a fucking he's the villain you know what i mean this just is what it is it's so bizarre we've gotten to a place where like he can even tweet that and people would even buy it at all because you'd have to listen to two seconds of her music or understand for one second what she has spoken out about and what she's cared about to understand that would never happen. But he can just do this.
She would never put on an Uncle Sam costume and have airbrushed skin, hair, everything, stand in front of a brick wall, I think, and point and say, I want you to vote for Donald Trump. I mean, whatever.
That's just, that's just where we're at. Like the warped image of it.
Well, I just, I don't understand how we've gotten here. But then the other day, my sister showed me something that a relative of ours posted and it was like, oh yeah.
Wow. People are just gone.
have to go. We've got a busy day of podcasting ahead of us.
Yeah, we're going to go record Two Guys Five Rings right now. The last episode.
The last episodes. But not the last of our careers.
No, no. Our careers will continue.
I'm saying maybe two guys,

we have no idea if two guys will continue.

We hope to do it again for the winter and for God,

Los Angeles,

by the way.

Oh yeah.

I was stuck in traffic for 25 minutes longer than I should have to cover half a mile at 3 30 PM on a Monday.

Good fucking luck.

Karen Bass at all.

We love you,

Karen.

We support,

but also,

I don't know,

not love,

but you know what I mean?

Like this is, but you know what I mean? I love Karen Bass. This is going to be a crazy undertaking, but have fun.
Yeah, I was like, and Boone was like, Boone was like, hey, I'm running really late, the traffic. I'm like, yeah, it's Monday at three o'clock.
Imagine Olympics.

Crazy. I don't get it.
I just don't get how they're going to do it. But anyway, we'll see.
Oh, we got a funny email. Did we? I'll tell you later.
Okay. We had every episode with a song.
If the world was ending, I'm going to be next to you. If the party was over.
I love the cigarette hanging from her mouth. Oh my God.
The choice to have the cigarette in her mouth on the record, not just in the video. It's so good.
Perfect. Gaga.
She did it again. Always will.
And then he did it too She sounds unreal on it Her best singing

If the party was over

Bye

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