"White, Fair and Blessed" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 Mo and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Goodness. Wow.
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Speaker 1 Guys, let's get right into it because there's a lot to say and a lot to cover this week. And we don't have a minute to spare.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Brooke Ashley. Always.
Can I just say, did we already go over this on the last episode? Watching the two of you together is so thrilling.

Speaker 1 So Matt was recently on brooke ashley's podcast and youtube show well it famously started as a youtube channel she's my favorite

Speaker 1 housewives recapper mine as well and so like i think i told bowen about her must be like a few years ago now it's been like three years at this point because i remember just i have never aligned with someone more besides you on housewives opinions and she always had the right opinion on potomac and then it expanded to other franchises as well yeah i just think she's fabulous but i'm so used to seeing her on one.

Speaker 1 Like it's just her talking just sort of extemporaneously to the camera, which is such a difficult skill. She's so good at it.
Like

Speaker 1 talking by yourself to the camera for an extended period of time is a challenge. But then seeing her share the space with you, both of you together is so wonderful to watch.

Speaker 1 She is, she obviously loves you. You love her.
I love her. I mean, everyone, treat yourself, even if you don't know anything housewives, just watch these two people talk to each other.

Speaker 1 It's really, really, really lovely. I love her.
And we had fun. And I had been wanting to come on her channel for such a long time.

Speaker 1 I will say I'm sort of trying to back off like doing any other podcasts right now because I kind of became like the face of housewives' opinions there for a second because I just can't fucking help myself.

Speaker 1 Like, careful. I think people are like, okay, I was going to do my, I don't think so, honey, about this, but like.

Speaker 1 People's reaction to you in that like online community when they don't agree with you is so intense. And the number one thing they always say is like, I don't even know who this is.
Who is this guy?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, we're done with that guy. Can I say like, who is this guy is not really necessarily, it doesn't work as a read.
It just kind of says like, okay, so that you don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't really even know what it says. I'm just like, no, I don't have to prove who I am.

Speaker 1 You don't have to prove who you are. I have stopped saying that outright.

Speaker 1 I've stopped being like, I don't know who that person is as if that's a worthwhile thing to vocalize or say out loud or like as if that's supposed to elicit a response from someone else like i don't know a person oh right because there are

Speaker 1 nine billion people in the world you loser

Speaker 1 yeah i didn't know person yeah because there's a million people out there

Speaker 1 you can't know them all there's a million anyways so yeah i've taken a little bit of a step back because i i people were like wow he really goes hard for these honest house opinions and i'm like it's true i just gotta hose myself down sometimes i'm like matt stop but i do think i help move the needle.

Speaker 1 I do. Of course you do.
Oh, I think public opinion is moving in the right direction. Thanks to people like you and Brooke.
100%.

Speaker 1 Also, one last thing about the, I don't know, this person thing. Discourse.
God, I fucking hate it.

Speaker 1 That implies that you are up to speed on the culture and it's not impossible these days to like know everything about everything. I don't know.
It's just like. whatever.

Speaker 1 Even that's giving too much credit. It's like you're not cool enough to know what's going on.
No way, like period. It's just funny.

Speaker 1 Especially someone like you who's fucking a reply guy or someone who's like, you know, I don't know, someone who is like so, I mean, look, we're, we have the same disease as you.

Speaker 1 We love the real housewives, but like you are not right in the head if you are commenting on videos like this. Anyway, that's my opinion.

Speaker 1 My thing is just like, I genuinely, genuinely like it because I like it sociologically. No, of course.
Like I love to watch these shows and like see how they react with each other, et cetera.

Speaker 1 I love it too But then I will say you finally stumble upon something like the salt lake trailer that dropped and you're like oh wait hold on

Speaker 1 It has felt different because I'm out here being like keep Jersey keep jersey the same or like just change a couple things and then salt lake comes and I'm like, you know what

Speaker 1 this feels really good. That actually wasn't feeling so good.
The Salt Lake trailer, you guys. Woo! We're back.
We are so back. Eight Lisa's, a dinner with eight Lisa Barlows.

Speaker 1 And then during it, Lisa Barlow reaches over and tries to snatch Whitney Rose's Lisa Barlow wig off her head and says, take that wig off. You could never be me.

Speaker 1 Come on. Come on.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 The Olympics are back.

Speaker 1 And they are. They are starting again on September, what is it? 18th? 15th.
September 15th. It's so soon.
September 18th, September 18th. The Olympics are back.
Honey. Two guys.

Speaker 1 What is it? Seven, I call it. Seven women.

Speaker 1 Bronwyn is back, y'all. The name Bronwyn is going to really make a huge splash.
My co-star in Wicked, Bronwyn James, iconic British actress. I can't wait to meet her and really connect.

Speaker 1 The Shenshen to my fanny. Make the Shenshen Lego as well.
That was my last, I don't think so, honey. I forgot that part.
If there's going to be a Fanny Lego, there better be a Shenshen Lego, period.

Speaker 1 Should we establish? Has it really been established? I know that maybe people might know that your name in Wicked is Fanny, which is pussy in British lingo.

Speaker 1 I mean, everyone on set, all these wonderful Brits were like just stifling laughter. Like, okay, can we get a final check on Fanny?

Speaker 1 Like, if a guy, if some foppish sidekick in a huge movie was named pussy in America on an American set,

Speaker 1 that would be crazy.

Speaker 1 Oh man, you see me out here standing.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. I can't can't believe it.
Like, you're pussy. You're pussy.
Bronwyn. Anyway.
So, yes, Bronwyn is back. The name Bronwyn.
Now, can I ask, is this some sort of Mormon name, Bronwyn?

Speaker 1 Or is it like some sort of... No, what is it? It's Celtic.
It's Celtic Gaelic. It's something.
Here, let's look at the origins. I'm actually way ahead of you.

Speaker 1 So there's many ways that you can spell the word Bronwyn.

Speaker 1 Bronwyn is a feminine given name, a variant of the most feminine name, Bronwyn Branwen, literally meaning white raven or abstractly white breast. Holy shit.
I love a white breast.

Speaker 1 It means to be white, fair, and blessed. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Branwen. Bronwyn,

Speaker 1 a wealthy. White, fair, and blessed.
Title of F. Title of F.

Speaker 1 All right, at least you're two out of the three. Girl, I am not fair.
You're white and blessed. Life, I'm like, I'm a lot like life.
I'm fair and blessed. I'm two out of the three, too.

Speaker 1 You really are fair and blessed. Oh, no, I guess according to you, I'm allegedly white.
And so I think I'm three for three. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I almost forgot my conspiracy theory about you that you're parroting this image as a queer Asian man for fame, success, and more. And more.
And it's working. We're all playing into it.

Speaker 1 Now, who I'm not done with Salt Lake yet. We got to keep talking about Salt Lake just a little bit more.
We're not done. What are your hopes and dreams for season five? Oh my God.

Speaker 1 My hopes and dreams include that Bronwyn actually, whoever this new Ronwyn is, comes in like defense against the dark arts because not the turf book.

Speaker 1 Sorry, bitch. No, I'm kidding.
I'm kidding. Keep going.
Well, I'm trying to say that

Speaker 1 the Salt Lake villain of the year needs to be like the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Right.
It's a revolving door. If like, I guess the Voldemort is Jen Shaw.
Right. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. It really is insane to be making these metaphors.
But like, you know, but I think she sort of looms over the whole franchise and like is there.

Speaker 1 And then she had her like little, you know, death eaters coming in, like Monica. And, you know, there was Jenny.
God, remember Jenny Wen? Jesus, she was horrible. And now we're getting Bronwyn.

Speaker 1 And I don't necessarily know that she's going to be a villain, but I just think it would be fun for Salt Lake to have like this insane character come in every year, fuck shit up, and our heroes make it through.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, Alemix, Heather, gay, hairy.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 1 Someone makes the poster. You're Norman Heather.

Speaker 1 I'm a what?

Speaker 1 A Mormon. Oh, wow.
Except, except it's not about getting invited to join the wizard school. It's about being compelled to leave the Mormon church.
To leave the church. And then Hagrid is Andy?

Speaker 1 Cohen?

Speaker 1 This is getting, this is, well, we lost the thread. It's Hagrid, Andy.
Anyway, in a world where

Speaker 1 this is a one-to-one, then I guess we'd still be talking about Harry Potter, but we simply can't. Although I will say, I feel like we haven't said on the podcast, but wow, fuck her.

Speaker 1 I think this is like a yearly thing. We've said it a million times, just like not in light of the recent shit.
It gets worse year after year, though.

Speaker 1 Anytime I'm like, oh, I forgot about Miss Joanne, then she like does something fucking disgusting again. And you're like, oh, you.

Speaker 1 God, I thought we were done with you. She is awful rotted.

Speaker 1 Isn't it wild how much like Voldemort she became like if you really think about what she created and like what she's become she's become like this like arbiter of negativity and hatred and transphobia and it's branching out into all these other things to the point where it's just like a gathering storm online that she's in the center of and that to me is like very close to what she wrote write that book yeah well it's like no i think i've said this before it's like this is someone who wrote like a huge morality tale, a fictionalized morality tale.

Speaker 1 And so, of course, she is going to like form her own. She's going to create out of nothing like all of these morals and fears and all of these things within her own fucking weird imagination.

Speaker 1 And then it's all imagined. It's all like fucking crazy.
I hope, I hope. She gets sued out of her fucking ass with this.
Well, I think she is, right? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 She and Elon are both named in the money khalif's lawsuit and so we'll see how far this goes and how long this gets drawn out but god peace and blessings to gold medalist i know yeah gold medalist the money khalif deserved and i would say i'm just i would love to see them get taken for as much money as possible Like, because you know that they're made of it.

Speaker 1 And even if they're taken for as much as possible, it still won't make a dent. But the fact is, like, it needs to be public as fuck that you can't just fucking do this.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 And by the way, you know who's max disgusting now?

Speaker 1 Is like, oh, I've quenched of course, but like, and we'll stop talking about these demons, but like, Megan Kelly, like back on her shit on her, like, YouTube channel, because this is all these people can get after they get kicked out of like media.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, they point to figure out how corporate media is evil, which, whatever, it's a longer discussion.

Speaker 1 But they end up on their YouTube channels saying this shit, like, yeah, why are men competing against women? It's so disgusting. Hmm.
I mean, we really are flying around the map today, huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 So speaking of white fair and blessed, the cast of Salt Lake City, what was your poll? I'm excited for eight Lisas at a table. I'm also excited for Meredith vs.
Mary. What about you?

Speaker 1 I was going to say Meredith versus Mary. You've been using me for the past three years.
Mary is just incredible.

Speaker 1 Let's see. I personally don't believe that bringing Mary Cosby into

Speaker 1 the tableau and to promote her from friend of

Speaker 1 is the best move.

Speaker 1 I think she's dangerous.

Speaker 1 I think she really is evil.

Speaker 1 So I don't know about that. I am so excited for these people to be back.
I mean

Speaker 1 We watched the Palm Springs episode the other night with Jared and we did.

Speaker 1 I think we willed this trailer into existence because we watched it and the next morning we woke up and it was like today there was a teaser for the trailer all day and the housewives vanished how you know

Speaker 1 if there was a teaser for the if there was a trailer for the trailer or a teaser for the trailer yeah they definitely were going to do that for roney but which we love and i think you and i are both on the same side of the roni trailer looks great we are genuinely excited for the season but that seems to be a point of division and contention in the community.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people are dragging the Roni trailer. I'm like, whatever.
I'm excited. I think it looks good.
I think it looks fun.

Speaker 1 I also know exactly what to expect from that, which is it's going going to be like that show is still finding its footing i would say to anyone out there who doesn't listen to housewives and is still with us um i'm nearly 15 minutes in salt lake is a really easy and good one to get on board with and it's already kind of in the modern era of housewives the best yeah and also it's sure to write the first season's like 13 episodes or something the second season is like peak tv it's incredible and then the third season kind of tapers and then the fourth season is really fucking good and ends in the most, probably the most satisfying conclusion.

Speaker 1 Yes. It starts on a high note and it ends on a higher note.
And we will keep saying it should have been nominated for best unstructured reality program. 100%.
For outstanding unstructured.

Speaker 1 Unstructured reality television program. Like, open your eyes, Emmy voters.

Speaker 1 By the way, we have to the end of the week to vote. If you're an Emmy voter, I want to see Bo and Yang checked off on your box.
We need to take these other nominees down. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Bo and Yang to take it. It's less about Bo winning.
It's about the other ones. No.
Getting taken down. Take down former guest of the podcast, Paul W.
Downs. Just kidding.
He deserves to win.

Speaker 1 Love Paul. I just like have been brushing up on the shows again.
And

Speaker 1 for some reason, I just like blew through hacks when it came out. And I was like, let me give this one more watch.
I loved this season so much. Season three.

Speaker 1 You mean you blew through it because it was just like, you just had it on. I just had it on.
I guess I wasn't like keyed in as much as I like should have been.

Speaker 1 I think like the finale was like, whoa, oh my God. And then I like wanted to like watch it back from the beginning because I feel like they were planting things throughout the season.

Speaker 1 And God, great show. It's a fucking amazing show.
Just like, I think it's gotten better season over season.

Speaker 1 I've loved every season, but like the first season, like my only thought was like, I wish this was just a little bit more joke heavy. And I think like they really struck that balance by season three.

Speaker 1 Like it's a. genuinely amazingly on a joke level great show and then it's also like all like the dramatic things that are happening in it are so rich.
And anyway, loved it.

Speaker 1 It's really great to watch like something like they have earned all of those really compelling dramatic moments, like at the end of the season between Ava and Deborah. And I would say that.

Speaker 1 That is a really fascinating type of relationship for me. Like the sort of mentor-mentee thing, but it's also, it's so loaded within that dynamic.

Speaker 1 And there is a parental thing, but the reminder that you should not invest in a parental sense in this person. And that way it's like a little, it's almost like borderline abusive.

Speaker 1 Actually, I would, I would argue that that relationship is kind of fully abusive, like psychologically, but it's fascinating to watch. And you don't really see it

Speaker 1 done that much and that well on television, especially because you feel like not a lot of stuff gets to marinate for that long.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is four seasons we've watched of that relationship and it's still interesting. Yeah.
And it's still really compelling.

Speaker 1 And you get the sense that like, it's just two amazing characters colliding and that there is so many smart ways in which they interact and it doesn't ever feel basic or expected.

Speaker 1 It's just one of those things. Totally agree with you.
And even the relationships outside of that central dynamic, I think are incredibly compelling. My favorite episode of the season was.

Speaker 1 Deborah Vance Christmas Spectacular written by Pat Regan.

Speaker 1 And it's where Jay Smith Cameron comes for the Christmas dinner. And it's like they have, like she and Deborah have a whole scene outside.
I was just like, Jay Smith Cameron.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's a fucking legend. My only no for succession needed more Jerry every single season.
Yeah, I guess she kind of had to take a little bit of a backseat this last season, huh?

Speaker 1 I know, but I was just like, I miss Jerry. I want more Jerry.
I miss succession in general. I miss succession in general.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 But you know what everyone is kind of saying is the new succession. Industry.
Yeah. So are you an industry girly? I need to start.
Me too. And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 I tried the first season and I will just admit this. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about

Speaker 1 on a base level. And the way they talk is so British that I don't understand it on again, a deeper level.
And so sometimes I'm just like, I need like, not even subtitles.

Speaker 1 I need like an explainer at the bottom. You know what I'm saying? It's like,

Speaker 1 it's a couple different

Speaker 1 worlds, both like, you know, professionally and culturally that that I'm just like, hold on a second.

Speaker 1 Because, did you feel that way about succession starting out? Like, because succession, there was like this barrier of like, what are they talking about? It's like, what the fuck is a bear hug?

Speaker 1 Like, I'd like all this stuff, like, I had to eventually acclimate towards. I understand what you're saying completely.
And I wonder if it's just some extra work, extra push.

Speaker 1 Honestly, with succession, no, because I think it was so, it was like such a comedy and it was so kind of cartoonish that, like, and I do mean that in like the best way.

Speaker 1 I mean, those characters, when you really look at them, like, they are, those characters are so

Speaker 1 their comedy games are so clear, and that ultimately is what makes them dramatically compelling because you put them in very dramatic situations, very tragic situations.

Speaker 1 And so, when they act a certain way, it's like you, you, it's very mad man.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like the smallest thing elicits the biggest emotional response from you, the viewer, because the characters are drawn so well.

Speaker 1 And so, when you know the stupid little ways they're going to act because they just can't help themselves, and you put them in very dramatic, tragic situations, it makes everything all the more heartbreaking because you're kind of laughing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Anyway, to just to return to the industry of it all and succession, I got succession because it was presented in a way that gave me like a comedic way in.

Speaker 1 Whereas industry, like, I just have to give it another shot because it's everyone loves it. No, yeah, of course.
Everyone loves it, but I kind of Joel's on this season. Yes.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I think, but I think next episode, Joel is on. We just have have to push past it.

Speaker 1 It's like, so someone, Lauren Mandel's father, Lauren Mandel, who helps us produce the culture awards every year, Miracle Worker, we got dinner with her last night and she was, we hadn't seen her in a while and she was saying how her father went to the culture awards and he said, and I think this is kind of, maybe this is helpful for you.

Speaker 1 Like he was like, I felt like I was in a foreign country. I did not know what the hell was being said on stage or around me, but I could not stop smiling and laughing.

Speaker 1 And I think it's the, it's, maybe it's that same thing of like, this is a foreign language, and you will, but you will be swept up in

Speaker 1 the sort of the ethos of it, you know, like it's like that, that is what's being sold to you. And I, that's, that's what we love about television, right?

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, we're in another, like we're in a world for a bit. I will say the first season I watched, I believe it's the first episode.

Speaker 1 There is a scene in industry when like it's these two gay guys and like one of them just sort of rolls up to the other's apartment, and that you can tell they're, like, so fucking horny for each other.

Speaker 1 And there is a, in this scene, literally, just like they start making out. The one guy throws the other guy on the couch, takes his pants off, and just literally enters the guy full tilt.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Right away. And I was like, this is a fantasy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, just took this cock

Speaker 1 immediately. And I was like, can I say something? I fucking wish.
That's how they do it in the UK. That's, that's a British thing.
No way.

Speaker 1 Would you know? You fucking whore. No.
You and your fanny.

Speaker 1 I know what you've been doing, shaking your fanny all around the Soho area of London. You're such a whore, Bowen.

Speaker 1 Bowen Yang, whore. It's really cool to number eight.
Can you imagine? Bowen Yang whore.

Speaker 1 Point is, well, we should get into industry, I guess. It'll fill some succession-shaped hole.
I mean,

Speaker 1 should we talk about how Vulture did a whole piece about how trying to get to the bottom of why the morning show got so many Emmy nominations? Like, it really is. Everyone's such a hater.

Speaker 1 Everyone's such a hater. But I think, but like, I think the, the reason that I'm taking away, the big thing that I'm taking away is because it's the first post-uccession year at the Emmys, right?

Speaker 1 it was not okay let's just say this i think the morning show is great like i think it is what it is i think it's an incredible soap and i think it doesn't apologize for being a soap i think it leans all the way in and it's very good at that so the category that it should compete in is drama and it's a soapy drama and i think if it's good at being that and people are watching it and it's delivering on the promise of the premise if you would then give it its emmy nominations i think it doesn't pretend to not be a show where reese Witherspoon goes to space.

Speaker 1 Right. And so I think people are taking issue with it being rewarded, which I think is not the thing.
That's not the conversation to be had.

Speaker 1 Can I say this is a huge stretch, but it's a little misogynist to me. I think a little bit.
Yeah. To be like, oh, this thing that's like.

Speaker 1 soapy and delivers and you know has us talking you know what i mean i look forward to it a lot because i watch it and i scream laughing and i'm dying watching it and i i'm i'm the biggest fan of it I know what it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 You hear me talk about the third graders like literally on a ride to heaven and hell at the same time writing this show. But the thing is, like, it is really good at being that.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And that is a form of entertainment.

Speaker 1 So just because you're not like crying real tears and racked with like emotions after watching something in a real like grounded way does not mean that it's not worth its salt.

Speaker 1 And I feel like to hold against it, its tone and its genre is a little misogynist to me. If we're really going to argue about like what it is at the base.
To write it off as like

Speaker 1 fluffy or

Speaker 1 pulpy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Feels like.
I get like people looking at it and being like, oh, everyone from the show is nominated. Yeah.
Like it wasn't a particularly competitive television Emmy year. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, that's why I got in there. Shut up.
That's not literally not. I'm true.
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 But I will say, like, and I've on the the record about this, anytime it feels like three or four shows are nominated for everything, it doesn't mean those things were that much better than everything else.

Speaker 1 It means the campaigns worked. It means the money talked.
And it means that probably wasn't that competitive of a year. And also, like, the things are probably quality.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And we're here to say that the Morning Show is quality. Like, I read, I read this piece and I was like, oh, but it's also just like, it is like the biggest drama on television right now.

Speaker 1 Besides like Shogun and whatever. Oh, yeah.
Shogun. I think Shogun is taking everything.
Shogun is taking everything. But we're saying, but like, just let it let Morning Show have have the W.

Speaker 1 And also, like, for the reasons that everyone is saying, it's not going to win.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, because people have already, like, there's like this weird kick up about like, and I think we do contribute to it because I get on here and I say it's the most insane show ever. We contribute.

Speaker 1 We contribute to it in the right way. And we have it on good authority that the people at Apple TV love it.
All I know is that there's no notes from.

Speaker 1 I haven't haven't heard anyone be like, wow, you guys are really rough on that show. No.

Speaker 1 It's very clearly my

Speaker 1 different show.

Speaker 1 Enough. Actually, you know what? I hope it wins.

Speaker 1 I don't scream. You know, I've wanted an Emmy in Jennifer Anniston's hands for that part for a very long time.
Of course. Did she ever win for Friends? No.
She did win for Friends. She win when...

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. She did win for Friends.
The Emmy winners from Friends are Jennifer Anniston and Lisa Kudreau. Never, none of the guys? None of the guys ever won an Emmy for friends.
Nominations came, but

Speaker 1 they did not get the W. I would say that the most underrated person on that show is Courtney.
Definitely. Monica holds the center.
It's not Rachel. It's Monica.
It's her house. Oh, I'm going to sleep.

Speaker 1 Hedgehog. Had you cute.

Speaker 1 Hedgehog.

Speaker 1 Had you cute.

Speaker 1 Four? Keep that in. Four.
I want them to know it was me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was four.

Speaker 1 It's always four. It's always four.
Never five.

Speaker 1 It's sometimes five, but it's always four. Is it a good day when it's five? That's really culture number 19.
When Matt sneezes, sneezes, it's sometimes five. Sometimes five.
But it's always

Speaker 1 four.

Speaker 1 Is it a good, is it lucky if you get to five? No,

Speaker 1 it's over at that point. Oh.

Speaker 1 So this is bizarre, but my grandmother and I share that when we get full, like when we've eaten enough, we sneeze four times. Wow.

Speaker 1 I just started acupuncture, and I think this is something that you need to be addressed. Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, can I say if it's going to address it by making me stop sneezing, I don't want that because I love to sneeze more than I love to come.

Speaker 1 And I love to come. And I love to come.

Speaker 1 What is coming if not

Speaker 1 sneezing from your dick? From the bottom, from your dick. From your fanny.
From your fanny. What is shitting if not sneezing from your ass? That's from WandaVision.

Diet Coke, this is my taste. Two questions.
What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

Speaker 12 Well, obviously, you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.
True.

Speaker 21 Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning?

Speaker 16 And there's so much included value, over $1,000.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 4 From wellness-focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties, and more, boredom doesn't board the ship.

Speaker 1 Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

Speaker 16 Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Caraçao.

Speaker 1 That's not all go, go, go.

Speaker 1 Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship, the Brilliant Lady? Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin Wow Factor.

Get it?

Speaker 1 She breaks off from a crusty male-dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Nisi Nash-Betts, Tayana Taylor, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hello, Glenn Close.

Speaker 1 And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis. And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless, and when they all come together, nothing can stop them.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way. But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama, relax.

Speaker 1 Allura, that's Kim's character, has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life. Her professional life crashes into her personal one, and uh-oh.
So how does this super lawyer fix her own mess?

Speaker 1 With a little help from her besties, of course. So this series has it all.

Speaker 1 Scandalous secrets, high-stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some some OMG twists, and friendships that rise above it all.

Speaker 1 And of course, everything is going to look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam, a work-hard, play-harder lifestyle.

Just stop. And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession.

Speaker 1 All's fair, now streaming on Hulu, and on Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply, drama guaranteed.

Speaker 1 Wait, should we discuss the Agatha trailers? Yeah, sure. They look pretty fun.
They look pretty fun. I'm excited.
She's a made it.

Speaker 1 Yes, the sheer. Sashir's a made it.
Patty Lapone. Yeah.
Little guy from Heartstopper or whatever. Joe Locke.
Joe Locke.

Speaker 1 That is a show that you will never hear us talking about because we are simply not in the right demo. The Heartstopper? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've tried so many times with that show, and I'm just like, I'm not. I need to accept that this is not made for me, and that's okay.
Yeah, it sounds like you're having strife about it.

Speaker 1 No, it's not strife.

Speaker 1 It's just, I think everyone, especially maybe people our age, feel this like global sense of having to consume everything because we're like, I don't know, maybe we feel like we're right in the middle and we're a bridge between generations.

Speaker 1 And so therefore, we should like look at both sides or whatever. Like, but I think maybe I'm getting to the age now as a 33-year-old man where I'm like, oh, this high school drama D

Speaker 1 about two gay guys or whatever, or a bunch of queer friends is like not, for some reason, it's not for me. And that's okay.
But there was a time when it was.

Speaker 1 And I would have loved this if I was half my age. But unfortunately, I'm double that age.
Part of me feels like, you know, that question of like, oh, I wish that this were around when I was younger.

Speaker 1 I think that's definitely true.

Speaker 1 Like, I think had I been in high school and I saw like Love Simon, I think I would have been like encouraged because I would have been, I would have seen my peers go see that movie, et cetera.

Speaker 1 I'm really, I remember when that movie came out and like, you know, like all the coolest people in America had things to say about like why it was problematic and stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm like, it's kind of missing the point because like it's Heartstopper at that time. Like it's just not for you.

Speaker 1 It's for like, it's honestly for straight people to literally be like, hey, I'm an ally and supporting this. I'm Jennifer Gardner.
I can understand in a very basic way what's happening here.

Speaker 1 This kid is stressed out because he feels he can't be himself, et cetera, whatever. It doesn't have to speak for everyone.
It was just like a little, you know, the door was ajar at that moment.

Speaker 1 But sometimes I think like going back to when I was that age and I would just like watch like high school musical and high school musical too. And it was just like these, these straight people.

Speaker 1 I remember like feeling like there was like a, I had like a melancholy while I watched it the whole time. Like I was a little gay kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, I'm so, I love watching this, but it's just not for me. And I don't know what this sensation is, but I wouldn't replace that melancholy in my life.
Like I, I, I kind of

Speaker 1 gave you perspective.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not that I liked not having that representation because that's not true.

Speaker 1 But there's something about like me now where I'm happy that I didn't have those types of things that not happy, but like I can appreciate not having them then because I know it's important now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? It's like the absence of those things from when we were younger aids and like helps the

Speaker 1 appreciation now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you can point to that moment as

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 oh, I want to be able to write from this kind of pathos or whatever. But also you're thinking, like, I know how to cope with this feeling from now on.

Speaker 1 And so it's like, it's the reason why we're having this conversation now. We're like, oh, that's not for us.
Or like, we, like, we are outside of the circle for this. And that's okay.

Speaker 1 Like, there's, we're going to, we're going to survive that. We're not, there's no like dire limbic brain evolutionary need for us to be in the, in that mix.
Yeah. You know? Yeah.
It's funny.

Speaker 1 Like I, I think back and Sometimes I wonder like, am I going to be part of a generation that looks back and is resentful of the fact or that looks down at the younger generation and is resentful about the opportunities they have.

Speaker 1 And because I could sense that sometimes from the generation up and

Speaker 1 those above us, that there's like sometimes it's like when the new generation has it easier based on whatever minority you occupy or like whatever it is that you're facing, there's the opportunity to be a little resentful of that upcoming generation because you're upset that you didn't have that.

Speaker 1 And I guess like the way that I'm looking at things like this now is I don't regret the piece of me me that formed emotionally when I felt like I didn't have those things.

Speaker 1 And it makes me really happy for like the new generation that has this representation and has these shows to look forward to, almost because of the fact that I like the like almost grief I had about like not having that or like that's what it ended up turning into, I think has made me

Speaker 1 the type of person and the type of artist and type of creator I am right now.

Speaker 1 So it's not a thing where I'm looking back and being like, I wish I had been able to see two high school boys kiss on a Ferris wheel. Right.
And it's like, I'm really happy that's there now.

Speaker 1 I don't regret not having that because I think it actually made me who I am to feel like there was a missing thing in culture that was that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm not claiming to occupy the space where that is represented now. What I'm saying is I like what it did for me as a person ultimately to be lacking that at the time.

Speaker 1 You're not disoriented in that place if you feel that for no, because you will feel that way throughout your whole life of being like, oh, I wish that was for me. Like, am I making sense?

Speaker 1 Well, it's like in high school, like when you're upset the whole time, cause all your straight friends have girlfriends and boyfriends and you don't. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want to go back and have a, I mean, maybe I would, or I guess what I'm saying is it's like, I don't regret the way that things have turned out.

Speaker 1 For some reason, this is making me think about, first of all, that is like such a cogent thing that you're saying. Well, thanks.

Speaker 1 Just thinking about like the way we might become an older generation that like looks at a younger one and is resentful. Like, it's making me think about

Speaker 1 not that I'm bringing this up and like shoehorning this in, but like this interview magazine thing with Chappellarone came out where she and I talked.

Speaker 1 And then someone was talking to me about it and saying, like, it was just so nice to see like someone of like a different like queer micro generation like reach out and like give her like you know talk to her and give her a hug and not make it feel transactional i'm like oh thanks and then and then i was like yeah because i guess i was like is this how like older gay men like gay men who were older than gaga when she was first starting out like is this how they felt towards her or i i thought were they a little too wrapped up in the madonna of it all like were they trying to like be loyal to madonna and therefore like maybe gaga did not feel that same sense of like although what am i saying Of course she did, but like, maybe she in some way did not feel that same sense of like communal protection

Speaker 1 around her, the way that, like, like, I just can't imagine Gaga feeling resentful towards Chapel and the way that like Madonna definitely was towards Gaga.

Speaker 1 Well, it's no longer cool to have that mentality. Yeah.
Yeah. It's that.

Speaker 1 And also, we are in a culture now where it would be incredibly like a huge alarm bell and red flag if Lady Gaga looked down at Chapel Rone and was like, fuck her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the way that, and also we're not in a, we're not necessarily, or they're maybe not feeling as much the need to give in to the thing the media does of pitting women against other women and older women against younger women, whatever, women against women in general.

Speaker 1 Like that's, we've called that out to such an extent right now that if Lady Gaga were to be like Chapel Rones, like,

Speaker 1 and this is not happening, but like, whatever, copying me or like, you know, in my image, et cetera, in the way that Madonna would hint.

Speaker 1 right but which is not again not happening it would be received less than badly definitely it would go through the floor and i also wanted to say about that interview piece like i was reading it and i was like bowen was the perfect person to do this because you're both queer but occupy different subsects of what that means but also i think the thing that's happening with chapel And it almost feels like weird to even comment on it in the wake of having the knowledge about this, but this thing that is happening with her about the very sudden, very

Speaker 1 accelerated rise to superstardom, I think that you actually can speak to that. You like accelerated at SNL in a very, very, very fast way.

Speaker 1 I mean, you were a featured cast member, like who occupied like a space on that show pretty immediately and were nominated for an Emmy, the first ever featured cast member to be nominated for an Emmy.

Speaker 1 And also like we talked about a few weeks ago, like you serve a purpose on that show as like a representative for it and a star of it. And I think that happened like relatively quickly.

Speaker 1 So no, it wasn't six weeks of like chapel releases, like good luck, babe. And then it's like all of a sudden, whatever.

Speaker 1 But I thought that what was so compelling about your conversation was that you were giving her advice, maybe without even thinking about that.

Speaker 1 But in sharing your experience and in hearing her, it felt like these are two people that lived a similar type of thing.

Speaker 1 And And that's why it's compelling to see them have this conversation, especially in the wake of everything she's going through, which is her discomfort with her level of notoriety so quickly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cause you were, that was something that you experienced. Yes.
And that was something I struggled with. It was a really nice conversation.
We obviously root for her. They did.
And I have to say again.

Speaker 1 Edit out the part where I said my best friend Matt on the podcast introduced me to her. I know, but still, I was like, erasure of lost cults.
Should we tell the story of that night? What? No.

Speaker 1 So when I...

Speaker 1 No, no, we can't tell the story of that night.

Speaker 1 We were, I was depressed. Bowen was depressed.

Speaker 1 We were in different

Speaker 1 London. You were in LA.
You were in London. I was in L.A.
I had just seen Chaperrone.

Speaker 1 And I had just seen Chaperone at the Fonda. And I had been taking for an emotional ride.
I texted Bowen. Oh, Oh my God, Chapel Ron is the new girl.
You have to get into her.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm telling you, this is a four alarm thing. Like, she's the next lady gaga, et cetera.
I text Bowen and Bowen ignored my text and posted a picture of him and Ariana Maddox.

Speaker 1 Of me, Ariana Maddox. Also, it was like 4 a.m.
I was in a car on this, on the way to Wicked, to the Wicked set. I was so delirious from the travel and the SNL week, the week before, and like just...

Speaker 1 So discombobulated in a way, in a degree that was dissociative. And I had a full breakdown later on that summer.
And so Matt, like,

Speaker 1 I was just getting home from like a bender, I would say. Not a bender.
On one. Because I saw Chapel and like, this is, wow.
You were so like, I don't know, like, Ryl died. Drunk.
Drunk.

Speaker 1 I was wasted, probably doing other things. And I remember I had been so lit up from Chapel.
I went out and Weeho.

Speaker 1 And then whatever the fuck happened, I think I met up with a couple of friends and I came home and I had texted Moen and he was, he, he had not responded, but he did post a picture of him and Ariana Maddox.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, and I remember I texted you. I was like, how come you can post a picture of Ariana Maddox and you and you can't even respond to my text about Chapel Rohan?

Speaker 1 And Bo was just like, I am depressed, period. And I was like, I'm depressed too.
And we just got.

Speaker 1 And then, and then I was

Speaker 1 screaming fighting on the street. And then this phone call transferred from the car that dropped me off at base camp on Wicked to my trailer.

Speaker 1 The PAs were about to ask me for my breakfast order, but before they could knock on my door, they absolutely heard me scream at the top of my lungs. We were screaming at each other.

Speaker 1 We were screaming at each other. This was a,

Speaker 1 this was

Speaker 1 really bad. This was the stalagmite depths of our friendship.
Honestly, this was a bad moment of the friendship. No, can I say, how many fights have we had like that in our entire friendship? Four.

Speaker 1 Three. Yeah, three or four.
But you know what we always do? Let's say 90% of the time, it resolves in that same conversation. Of course.
Like,

Speaker 1 would you say that that one did? Yes, it literally did. Because remember, I started sobbing.
And I was like, this is about other things. I was like, I'm so sorry.
And then both of us

Speaker 1 do. Right.
And both of us were like, sobbing. Come on.
Yeah. I think we were like,

Speaker 1 what is this? We're like, what's happening? Like, this is something like beyond our control, but it was,

Speaker 1 it's so funny. The origin, the seed crystal of that, the powder keg was Chapel Roan.
It literally was. And Ari Automatics and Ari Automatics.
It's these two women. Talk about a fucking time capsule.

Speaker 1 It was like, it was the night I just, I really discovered Chapel Roan and I went to Bowen. And I was just like, you know what it was? I was so positive you would love her.

Speaker 1 Of course. And the only concern I had was that you do that.
And also, I'll just say, vulnerable thing for me. I am very sensitive to when I send a text.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say, I will say someone, but I will say you a text. And then like there's response on group chats or like you posting elsewhere.

Speaker 1 It just, it draw, it drives me crazy because I feel like I'm being ignored. And then I think you're mad at me.
And I'm very sensitive to that. And so that's what it was.

Speaker 1 And also me being that drunk, but you were, you were going through so much. And I just, we were both going through.
We both were.

Speaker 1 But I, in that moment, my, you know, Achilles heel, I think I just got in my feelings and made it a little about some, about me and about something else.

Speaker 1 And I immediately broke the fuck down because I realized what I was doing.

Speaker 1 And I think it's like one of those times when it's like, when you get so upset or you get so angry and you get so hurt and you realize it's like you're aware of the fact that like, oh, I'm not doing well.

Speaker 1 It's not about this. I'm just not doing well.
It's such a bad feeling when that kind of realization sets in. You're like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 I am not okay.

Speaker 1 And I was out of way out of pocket. Way out of pocket.
Well, there were just substances involved on your end, and there was sleep deprivation involved on my end. Like, it was not the worst mix.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would say the versions of us that are not great collided. Oh, God.
Anyway. But that is, that is the first time I said to Beau and Chapel Roan.

Speaker 1 And that's like, I showed you an artist that I know you're going to love.

Speaker 1 I'm a cackling.

Speaker 1 I'm throwing my head back. Yeah.
And it probably did last like, what, 15, 16 minutes.

Speaker 1 But when I tell you, sometimes like maybe it's like four or five times in my life I have heard this sound come out of my body.

Speaker 1 I've never heard you scream that way. Like bear scream to the point where I was like, oh, like.
I am. I screamed back at you kind of in the same timbre.
You did. You did.
It did not feel good.

Speaker 1 I'm a screamer. I, when I scream, I fucking scream.
I'm telling you, like, I've gotten into arguments with you like this. Like, again, once in a bluest moon, Sudie and I years ago got into it on this.

Speaker 1 It always happens on the street really late at night. And we got into it on the street in front of our park sub apartment in such an insane, like rabid way.
I would say this is very healthy.

Speaker 1 No one needs to be alarmed. Like this is just something that like friends, friends do.
Like it's, it's bloodletting. It's like emotional bloodletting.

Speaker 1 This is just depending on the friendship, this, this is helpful. Keep going.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, literally, it only happens with people that you really care about because I think the only other person that i've gotten like that with is my father like in the high school that sort of disconnect between father and son like was the last time i can remember being that upset but it was it was again about a million about well not a million other things about one big other thing sure but then a million other things in its orbit within that yes yeah wow

Speaker 1 that's the birth story of chaperone i think i was also incredibly jealous that you had a picture with ariana

Speaker 1 at the time, I was like, oh, so you can post a picture with Ariana Maddox. It can't stand responded to my text.
I was like, I want a picture with Ariana Maddox.

Speaker 1 And then I just, I went off the deep end. We're such gay guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, ultimately, yeah. Ultimately, yeah.

Speaker 1 Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

Speaker 12 Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.
True.

Speaker 21 Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean?

Speaker 22 And there's so much included value.

Speaker 16 Over $1,000.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 27 From wellness-focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties, and more.

Speaker 2 Boredom doesn't board the ship.

Speaker 1 Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bibini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

Speaker 16 Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Curaçao.

Speaker 1 But it's not all go, go, go.

Speaker 1 Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship, the Brilliant Lady? Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin Wow Factor.

Get it?

Speaker 1 She breaks off from a crusty male-dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Nicy Nash-Betts, Tyana Taylor, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hello, Glenn Close. And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis.

Speaker 1 And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless, and when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way.

Speaker 1 But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama, relax. Allura, that's Kim's character, has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life.

Speaker 1 Her professional life crashes into her personal one and uh-oh. So how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her besties, of course.

Speaker 1 So, this series has it all: scandalous secrets, high-stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some OMG twists, and friendships that rise above it all.

Speaker 1 And of course, everything is gonna look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam, a work-hard, play-harder lifestyle.

Just stop. And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession.

Speaker 1 All's fair now streaming on Hulu and on Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply, drama guaranteed.

Speaker 1 Wait, speaking of Gaga, we just hit a brush. We need to talk about Die with a Smile.

Speaker 1 I love Die with a Smile. It is my new favorite.
Music is bad.

Speaker 1 Music is so bad. You say now in August 2020.

Speaker 1 Music has been really ripping. And hello, this weekend.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, Shortens. Sweet.
Okay. Short and what's going on?

Speaker 1 There is, there's so much. Lisa has a new song with Rosilio.
Oh yeah. Flo has a new EP, has a new single from their EP channel.
Flo has a new single.

Speaker 1 The new Tanasha EP, Quantum Maybe Incredible. No Brook Boys.
Across that line, I'm obsessed with. Yeah, Tanasha is.
Tanasha is it. We haven't talked about Addison Ray.
We haven't talked about Dipepsy.

Speaker 1 Forever by Charlie Bliss.

Speaker 1 Amazing new album by charlie bliss if you don't know them wonderful pop-pump band uh they're going on tour soon and just i don't know i'm just like excited oh my god there's a new girl zolita everyone should listen to queen of hearts

Speaker 1 you are gonna fucking love this episode zolita with a z lolita with a z queen of hearts it's like it's an ep album eight tracks so it's like in that right in that middle zone that limital space but she's got like dance pop, some country pop moments.

Speaker 1 You are going to fucking love her all over again.

Speaker 1 All girls go to heaven, small town scandal what if i mean so good okay anyway that's my every episode in the year 2024 of lost culture is going to be about music period buckle up strap yourself in wait i haven't even um sat on the pod yet but the song katie gavin katie i was just thinking oh my god i love after series and it hit me hard of course i finally listened to it because i get it and like

Speaker 1 I texted Katie and I was like, I think that we share a heart and a brain because

Speaker 1 she just always says the thing.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, whether it's with Muna, now her solo stuff, like, obviously I'm the biggest Muna stan, but like, I'm just so excited for her new music. I'm so excited for it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've said time and time again, I think that she, as a vocalist and a writer, like, is one of our generation's greats.

Speaker 1 to use the word generation for the millionth time today, just like how there's a million people out there in the world.

Speaker 1 But I love her. I love her.
We love her. She's in casual drug use, the new song from the album.
She, I mean, she was so generous with us after Culture Award. She sent us the full album.

Speaker 1 The full album is incredible. It's just so incredible.
People are going to, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's not even like people, how could you ever be surprised? Like, she's brilliant. Like, they're so great.
And okay, just to speak about the Addison Ray of it all. So I had a tug of war in my mind.

Speaker 1 I had a war in my mind,

Speaker 1 as Lana would say.

Speaker 1 But I'm so happy I just decided to ride and really deep into this song because, wow, it's so much fun and it's so great.

Speaker 1 The production on her music is sometimes like, well, I guess it has, it kind of has to be,

Speaker 1 but it's 10. No, I don't think she doesn't know.

Speaker 1 One of the number one things I like about Addison Ray in this recording artist era is how self-aware of the fact

Speaker 1 she is that like she's Addison Ray. Rey, she's doing this thing, she had a very clear reference here, and it's Lana Del Rey.
It's Lana Dana. And she's ahead of it and really aware of it.

Speaker 1 And I think that's what makes the song and the music video so strong is the fact that it gets to like riff on Lana actively because it's aware at the front and it's all complimentary and revel and like

Speaker 1 is in reverence. And the songs are so fucking fun.
What do you make of the song originally being called Backseat, but then Miss Charlie XCX goes, change it to diet Pepsi.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think Charlie XCX knows.
I think it's actually ruler culture number 30. Charlie XCX knows.
She was exactly right.

Speaker 1 I think diet Pepsi is so much like more, to use my best friend's word, serrated.

Speaker 1 Oh. I think it pops more than backseat.
Diet Pepsi makes you I mean, you're never going to forget that it's diet Pepsi because it's so

Speaker 1 it's like fringe. Diet Pepsi is fucking fringe.

Speaker 1 well diet Pepsi is like it's fringe culture is eternal is an eternal thing in the culture that has always been there will always be there and it's one of those things that makes you go oh yeah and then for this girl to write a song about it that is not really about diet pepsi in the end not at all is kind of incredible but we're such diet coke girlies

Speaker 1 speaking of which it's so good we need to pay respects as the internet and the world already has to delta work

Speaker 1 to the diet coke forget it to the Diet Coke I've watched it five times it is the pinnacle it is a moment in culture it is a moment in culture we might have to have a new list because Delta Works Diet Coke challenge is a moment in culture watch it if you haven't if you have watch it again it is it's the most impressive thing it is a scream I remember watching it the first time and going, oh my God, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 And I think for some reason, I thought that she was told what the five sources of of Diet Coke were to begin with. And she just had.
She was.

Speaker 1 Well, she was, but she wasn't because at one point when she's drinking the Burger King Diet Coke, she goes, ooh, maybe this is from Panera.

Speaker 1 So I think she, I think she, she went in knowing that they got her Diet Coke from places that she frequents, but it was more than five.

Speaker 1 And so therefore the extra layer of challenge in this is that it wasn't just like a, oh, let me just like do a one-to-one sort of like from the five that I know in my head.

Speaker 1 It was like from all the places that, and this is someone who goes and is a fast food aficionado. Connoisseur.
Connoisseur, connoisseurs, like knows,

Speaker 1 like there's, there's a big range of sources of Diet Coke for her. And she, for her to willow down to those five,

Speaker 1 incredible. Can I tell you the only place, so here's a reveal.
I don't know how much of a reveal it is, but I used to eat fast food in my 20s. I'm going going to say

Speaker 1 at least three, four times a week. At least.
It was like that. It was bad.
Like the metabolism was doing all the work because the forces of evil, aka my brain were at play.

Speaker 1 And my instinct was to eat this all the time. So, and it's to the point, and I don't know how you feel about this.

Speaker 1 Outside of Del Taco, which I don't frequent. Yeah.
I could have done that. I could have done the Diet Coke challenge.

Speaker 1 And every, so she's walking through why she knows that these Cokes are a certain her palate is so refined.

Speaker 1 I think I could have been right there with her because every single thing she said, I was like, yes, McDonald's. Soda machines are a little bit more carbonated.
Yes, the Burger King.

Speaker 1 There is a lack of pride in the presentation when it comes to the soda. It is always a little flat and there's a little bit too much sweetness in it.
Like a little bit too much like syrup.

Speaker 1 It's like a little too much. In terms of bottles and cans,

Speaker 1 there there is a huge difference. Yeah.
To the point where you're like, why the fuck are we drinking out of plastic bottles at all? We could taste the difference.

Speaker 1 The only difference is the fact that there's plastic in the shit that you're drinking. So do not drink out of a plastic bottle.

Speaker 1 Especially if can confirm you taste the plastic. You probably have the same anatomical tongue as Delta Work, where she's tasting the plastic.
You're drinking the micro.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. And but as as she's walking through it, and then she started to talk about the butt ice.

Speaker 1 Butt ice. Baby, the butt ice is so fucking real.
And the butt ice is in those like,

Speaker 1 those fast food joints that don't take pride in your presentation. It's 100%.

Speaker 1 I think I could have gotten all of them, but Del Taco being first would have thrown me because I don't do Del Taco. Right.
It's not my culture.

Speaker 1 She had a whole thing about like, look, they have my name in the title or my name in the name, Del Taco. Anyway.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, I think I could do a nugget challenge for sure. Burger challenge would be easy because, like,

Speaker 1 it's so specific. But she said she could do ranch.
I was like, oh, that's insane. Ranch is insane.
She said she wanted to do cookie. Yeah, cookie is like less interesting to me because it's like...

Speaker 1 It's hard to make that, shall we say, like a blind test. Right.
The Diet Coke is perfect. Yeah.
It has to be through a straw. You can't see where it's coming from.

Speaker 1 You can only see the delivery system and not the actual. And there needs to be like a

Speaker 1 consistency around the sort of the way it's it's coming into you like that's the delivery system you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah when you said delivery system it made me think of we were driving yesterday in west hollywood and we saw one of those one of those delivery boxes maybe that's my i don't think so honey let's do it it's type for i don't think so honey this is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture matt seems to have something and

Speaker 1 i can only emphatically agree with him are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think Sony's time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 At least in Los Angeles, there's those delivery, food delivery robots, the boxes on the street. I'm telling you, this sucks.
Why are people talking about they're taking our jobs?

Speaker 1 Go come to West Hollywood. I'm telling you, who's taking your job? A box, a robot box that is, I'm sorry, but not reliable.
I could just knock that box over and guess who's not getting your food? You.

Speaker 1 30 seconds. I have no idea why this is the case.
Why can't we give people the jobs? Let's give people the jobs because guess what?

Speaker 1 Could move faster than this rolling box on the street, a person, a galvanized person who wanted to do a good job that day because they were making good living.

Speaker 1 These, these robot boxes, they're bumping into each other in West Hollywood like they're some gay guys. Bumping that.
Bumping that.

Speaker 1 And I'm just, I feel insulted every time I'm seeing them because I know there's good food in there and I'm just, I want it. And it's not happening happening quickly.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 That's one minute. I don't like it.
Their stupid little blinking eyes. Stop that.
And stop trying to make them cute. Give me a break.
Send a check to Pixar because you're trying to make them Wally.

Speaker 1 Hello,

Speaker 1 these boxes. You could never be Wally.
You could never be Wally.

Speaker 1 We're going to Disneyland later today. I can't wait.
What ride are you most excited about doing?

Speaker 1 Incrediboaster, of course.

Speaker 1 I don't think I've done cars before. You've never done cars? Right.
Is that pretty new? Again, I have not been in five years. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 So this new thing is happening where I realized my concept of how much time has passed is like not good because I said, Bone, what are you talking about? We went a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 And I realized when I took you, it was pre-COVID.

Speaker 1 Pre-COVID. Wow.
Okay, so let's do that long. Maybe we didn't get on Radiator Springs Racers, but I will trust and believe we will get on it today.
It's my favorite.

Speaker 1 And we will be going to the Little Mermaid Ride. All right.
She's the most beautiful woman in the world. Ariel? Yes.
I guess it's weird that I even had to ask the question, huh? Who else? And Ursula.

Speaker 1 I think Ursula is a good person. Ursula is a beauty and a sexy icon.
Buffalo language.

Speaker 1 I trust you cannot.

Speaker 1 If you are not at all attracted to Ursula, stop lying to yourself. You're in denial, bitch.

Speaker 1 God, that is pure raw sexual power it's sexual energy ursula shows up and says dare you to think anything other than what i would be like rocking your world tonight in my cave in my cave tentacles all up in your fanny you're about to get sucked in by my fanny can you imagine

Speaker 1 Disney doing the tit jiggle when she shimmies in poor unfortunate souls. They could never get away with that.
They would never do it now. But that is so important.

Speaker 1 Huge.

Speaker 1 Like her tits are shaking

Speaker 1 as they draw closer to the screen. I feel like we have lost the way.

Speaker 1 I'm ready. No, here.
No, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 Put me on the clock. All right.

Speaker 1 Here we go. I love it.
This is Bowen Yang's fresh out the oven. Fresh out the slama.
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 What is the current state of the Disney villains? We are just treading on nostalgia for the past, what, two decades?

Speaker 1 Name the last great Disney villain. Best I can come up with is King Candy slash Turbo and Wreck-It Ralph, voiced by the incomparable Alan Tudick,

Speaker 1 a voice acting legend, comedy legend. big hunk legend.

Speaker 1 But other than that, I can't think of the last great Disney villain because maybe they're too afraid to give you like a big popping Disney villain because it's like they absolutely are.

Speaker 1 Because it's like, you know they don't want the kids to sympathize with them too much or like identify with them it is so important for children to identify with villainy on some degree so that you can develop some kind of compassion or understanding or complex complex emotional knowledge of how the human condition is.

Speaker 1 You need a good villain in order to move through this world, in order to sort of

Speaker 1 have fun with it, in order to be a participant of life. You need a good Disney villain.
And we've lost that thread for years now. And that's what I'm at.

Speaker 1 It's a symptom of something larger, which is just fear in general. It's like, it's, it's just, so I guess like the Disney villains used to be so queer-coded.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and now in a world where they're so afraid of like hinting at any queerness or like acknowledging any queerness or like, you know, it just feels like things get softer and softer and softer.

Speaker 1 We've lost, we've lost even that element of it. Also, these villains are supposed to stand in for something.

Speaker 1 They're supposed to represent something else, something in society that is an evil, whether it's like, you know, greed or control or unchecked power.

Speaker 1 And the fact is, like, you can't really summarize that stuff when you are that. When you represent all those things.

Speaker 1 I was just going to say, like, wait a minute. Like, you are, there's a fear of self-examination going on here where you're like, well, wait, we can't make.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's also just from a storytelling perspective, like, it's, at this point, it would be boring for another movie to come out and the villain is actually my own doubts you know what i mean give me a fucking break stop it put someone in a crazy fucking outfit have them have an overdrawn physical feature whatever it is and have them talk like a gay and

Speaker 1 have them tear it up and give them a big song i miss scar i miss i miss queer uncle scar who was so pissed that he had to sing be prepared

Speaker 1 while his hyenas gooned around him excuse me that was culture And that was intro to gooning 101, the hyenas. That's a rule of culture.
Sorry, one more time so we can say it together.

Speaker 1 The hyenas in Lion King.

Speaker 1 We're gooning 101. We're going to go into 101.
We're going to go. Intro to gooning.
What rule of culture is that? 12. It's rule of culture number 12.
The hyenas in Lion King. That was a 10-year-old.

Speaker 1 That was intro to gooning 101.

Speaker 1 Especially Ed. Ed was gooning the entire time.
Like, come on. We're so scared of being raw.
It just makes these things so boring. And And you know what's also annoying?

Speaker 1 You know who had a good villain? The Princess and the Frog had a great villain. I know.
That was a great villain. And they made this Disney ride.

Speaker 1 And like, so the Princess Tati's Bayou Dip has replaced Splash Mountain.

Speaker 1 And the big complaint about that ride is there's no like dramatic tension. There's no element of fear.
There's nothing. And they even had one built in and they refused to do it.
God, what is that?

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 they don't want the kids. like is it the parents don't want the kids to be too like they're they're afraid to upset the kids or something like i don't know

Speaker 1 it's like there's no danger in anything it's like you know what i'm saying it's like if anything a disney villain is important to like

Speaker 1 make tangible the fears that children have and to to give them some sort of model to like overcome it or defeat it quote unquote you know it's like god yeah it's wow we really just like stumbled into this idea that like i think we've no one has ever vocalized we haven't been able to vocalize at least on this show, like the Disney, I, maybe Donna Murphy's Mother Gothel was the last great Disney villain.

Speaker 1 And even that was like easy for them to, to bring out and draw out because like it's literally based on something else. It's in the story.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I guess like the like Frozen is based on the snow queen in which she was the villain. But but in Frozen, it's like a sneaky villain.

Speaker 1 Like it's the guy that was the prince who was supposed to be Godala. It's like such a cop out.

Speaker 1 Honestly, at the time it wasn't.

Speaker 1 And I remember being surprised by it because I'm like, oh, look, like this, it's actually this guy but like since then you just get the sense that like that kind of keeps getting repeated i just

Speaker 1 would

Speaker 1 encourage like some more straightforward stuff like it's okay there are evil people out there yes you know what i mean like there are and there are evil things out there that that should be personified in these stories and it doesn't all have to be like you have to overcome yourself no sometimes there are external forces that come in and test you it's not always what's going on in interior we need like our generations, like Pat Carroll and Jonathan Freeman.

Speaker 1 Like we need like Ruby McAllister to voice like an evil lamp or something. Oh,

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 Maybe we have to create it, Bo.

Speaker 1 Maybe we do. Although I will say, not to like talk about my own resume.
I couldn't talk about this during the strikes, but I voiced a villain in a Netflix film, The Monkey King. Check it out.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And that was, and I was, it was queer coded. I had a song.
It was so much fun. And I'm so lucky that I got to do it.
And I'm just saying, like, it's, it's a treat for a performer to do.

Speaker 1 Like, like, they're like, it's just fun to do. It's fun to watch.
Like, put it back into a movie, into all movies. We need great villains back in kids' entertainment.

Speaker 1 It's just funny that we're talking about this with Disney 2 because they just announced the villain's land that they're going to make.

Speaker 1 So I'm just saying, maybe they do know this, but it's like, if you know this, then like, let's see more of them created. Like, it's, it's, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 We're getting a new princess every other year. It's like, but there has not been a canonized new Disney villain in quite quite some time.
Did you ever see Wish?

Speaker 1 I started it and I was like, meh. I just can't.
It's supposed to be Chris, um, Chris Pine. Chris Pine's the villain.
Is he? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I just, I had to stop. I just think evil is worth representing.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Give us something to conquer, hon, that isn't in here. I'm doing therapy for that.

Speaker 1 Exactly. There should be an evil therapist.
Wait, the one thing I wanted to talk about that we didn't get to was this Trump using AI Taylor Swift. Oh, forget it.

Speaker 1 It's just so crazy because it's like this, this insane, this stupid fucking, and this is how you know that the discourse has to be so lame and watered down on a, on like a huge mainstream level because there is no there there to the discourse of who is Taylor Swift going to endorse.

Speaker 1 Babe, even in a world where

Speaker 1 she is the worst version of what people may think she is, which is like a brazen capitalist that like only cares about the bottom line, et cetera. Even in that world where she like maybe

Speaker 1 in this made-up scenario does vote for Donald Trump in the booth, in the privacy of the booth, it is so stupid to think that in any world, she, Taylor Swift, who makes, who writes lyrics like she writes, writes a song like the man, is the person that she is has publicly denounced trump before in many ways released a full documentary about her anger about this it is crazy to assume that she would ever endorse donald trump publicly standing what she stands for so why are we talking about it like yes he used her fake ai but like you only allowed him to do that by prolonging this thing of like who's she gonna endorse like She is who she is and she stands for what she stands for.

Speaker 1 She's gonna come out and say Kamala. This insane thing of like, who is it gonna be? It's like, pay attention for two seconds.
I mean, they're just kind of using this

Speaker 1 period until she does say something to like, I don't know, drive clicks or whatever. But like this, this AI story is so fucking stupid.
It's so insane.

Speaker 1 And I hope that there is some legal recourse that can be taken there because it feels crazy to me that he can do that and then post it on an official account.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I think it's like officially from the Trump camp. It's like, well, there's like Swifties for Trump.
And this is a movement that's growing all the time, which is like a lie.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there are Taylor Swift fans out there, her being like, you know, such a red state and blue state figure throughout her career. I'm sure there are Swifties for Trump.
But like,

Speaker 1 why are we even allowing him to do that? Like,

Speaker 1 she so clearly represents everything that is in opposition to what he represents. Yeah.
I think I was a little stoned when you or Jared showed me that. And I was like, no,

Speaker 1 I can't. Like, this isn't real.
Like, it's so bizarre. It's real to me.

Speaker 1 I get that he gets to get away with all of his lies because he is who he is. And, you know, people genuinely just believe what he says.

Speaker 1 Like, we're just in a world now where there's like, I guess, two medias and one is, has convinced one half of the country and the other has, you know, quote unquote convinced the other half because they're representing like something that resembles more reality, which is that he's a fucking,

Speaker 1 he's the villain. You know what I mean? This just is what it is.

Speaker 1 it's so bizarre we've gotten to a place where like he can even tweet that and people would even buy it at all because you'd have to listen to two seconds of her music or understand for one second like what she has spoken out about and what she's cared about to understand that would never happen yeah but he can just do this She would never put on an Uncle Sam costume and have airbrushed skin, hair, everything, stand in front of like a brick wall, I think, and point and say, I want you to vote for Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 I mean, whatever. That's just, that's just where we're at.
Like the warped image of it.

Speaker 1 I just, I don't understand

Speaker 1 how we've gotten here. But then the other day, my sister showed me something that a relative of ours posted and it was like, oh, yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 People are just gone.

Speaker 1 Gone.

Speaker 1 We have to go. We've got a busy day of podcasting ahead of us.
Yeah, we're going to go record Two Guys Five Rings right now. The last episodes.
The last episodes. But not the last of our careers.

Speaker 1 No, no. Our careers will continue.
I'm saying maybe two guys, we have no idea if two guys five rings will continue. We hope to do it again for the winter and for,

Speaker 1 God, Los Angeles. By the way,

Speaker 1 I was stuck in traffic for... 25 minutes longer than I should have to cover half a mile at 3.30 p.m.
on a Monday. Good fucking luck, Karen Bass et al.
We love you, Karen.

Speaker 1 We support, but also, I don't know, not love, but you know what I mean? Like, this is gonna be,

Speaker 1 this is gonna be a crazy undertaking, but have fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like,

Speaker 1 Bill was like, hey, I'm running really late. The traffic.
I'm like, yeah, it's Monday at three o'clock. Imagine Olympics.

Speaker 1 Crazy. I don't get it.
I just don't get how they're going to do it. But anyway, we'll see.

Speaker 1 Oh, we got a fun email. to me

Speaker 1 i'll tell you later okay we had every episode with a song

Speaker 1 if the world was

Speaker 1 ending i wanna be next to you

Speaker 1 if the party was over

Speaker 1 i love the cigarette hanging from her mouth oh my god the choice to have the cigarette in her mouth on the record not just in the video it's so good Perfect. Gaga.
She did it again. Always.

Speaker 1 And he did it too. She sounds unreal on it.
Her best singing. And so does Bruno.
Her best singing. If the party was over.

Speaker 1 Bye. Bye.

Speaker 28 Lost Culture Races is the production by Will Farrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 1 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bo and Ying.

Speaker 24 Executive produced by Anna Haznier and Hans Sani.

Speaker 5 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monif Laborde.

Speaker 1 And our music is by Henry Faberski.

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More episodes from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

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