"An Attack On Leos" (w/ Matt, Bowen & Friends)

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Look, man.

There.

Oh, I see.

Wow.

Oh, my.

Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Oh, my goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas. Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling. Tell them what you're doing.
Tell them about what you're in process on right now. I am chopping up some shallots and garlic for a make-ahead sauce later.
Now, can I ask you a question? Please. Is this an Alison Roman recipe? We have been enjoying tomato season.
With Alison. The end of tomato season with Alison Roman, which is not your favorite food, but one of your favorite girls.
Oh, no. Let me tell you something.
Tomato sauce? Concentrated tomato flavor. Any concentrated tomato flavor I'm into, it's just tomatoes itself.
And do people agree with me out there in the community? It's a wet vegetable. You don't like the wetness of tomato.
I think it is the texture that I don't like. Is this a point of contention for us or do you just fully embrace it? I embrace.
I just think that you have to love the whole thing. I don't have to do anything.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. I just, I'm trying to manage a house here.
We're on Fire Island. You kind of are the mom of the house.
It's okay. I love to be that.
Yeah. And this, this trip, especially I've, I've, I've been very domestic and I've been, been very administrative, not very, but I on.
I'm going to touch more. Oh, hold on.
Someone's coming in, taking a break from his glute bridges. If you think that we can't speak into the mic or we're going to get in trouble.
This is Aaron Jackson, everybody. We're here recording live from the Fire Island Pines.
This is live. This is live.
Aaron Jackson. Wow.
Live from the Pines. What thoughts on culture do you have

outside of the culture of glute bridges?

I was doing glute bridges

because I haven't moved my body

in six or seven days.

And what thoughts do I have on culture?

Fat asses are important.

Yeah.

Who is the fattest ass in media?

Just kidding.

You don't have to say that.

No, we have to know this. The fattest ass? Oh, probably MTS.
Megan Thee. MTS has the fattest.
Megan Thee Stallion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is body by God, wouldn't you say? I would say. Frontrunner for title of it? Body by God.
I mean, we are here in the Pines, so we're seeing lots of body by God. Yes, yes.
Each one to each one. Each one to each one.
Well, right now we have a gorgeous view. You sort of went over there so we could see each other, but you don't know.
I've enjoyed this view all week. Oh my God, wait, hold on.
There's another special guest coming in hot. He wasn't doing gloop ridges outside, but it's Josh Shire, everybody.
I'm listening to the album Is This It by The Strokes outside. And Bowen, you do not talk about The Strokes enough.
I don't talk about The Strokes enough. You and your listeners need to put respect on on the strokes.
It's anti-man the way you behave. I don't talk about is this it by the strokes, but I do talk about this is it by Michael Jackson, who is the strokes of his day.
To quote Charlene, all is forgiven, Michael. All is forgiven.
Is that a Charlene quote? Charlene Incarnate publicly has forgiven Michael Jackson. Can we say this has been such a Diet Coke house? And Sprite! Oh my God.
It's Sprite night. It's Six Flags over Pine.
It's Sprite night. Oh, they should make a Six Flags here.
That would be good. That would be good.
What rides? Well, let's not be too ambitious. We can't have a big coaster on the island.
I think one of them should be called... Thank you for that dose of reality.
Yeah, I just want to bring us back here because it feels like it's getting out of control. I think one of them should be called the Daniel Nardikio Patti LuPone Rider Adventure.
He has to get all the items for Patti LuPone's rider. Oh my God, that's amazing.
You know, that's like actually the plot of Princess Tati's Bayou Dip. It's like we have to get all the musicians to play a big show.
It's like, okay, cool. This is a theme park ride, right? We're supposed to feel some danger.
I have one called Hedah Hunt and you're a rotten kid and Hedah Lettuce is hunting you. Oh my God.
With a gun? With her barbs. Oh my God.
Which are just as lethal. Deadlier than Eddie.
I really don't like this one now that guns came into it. I'm sorry.
We're sorry. There's danger.
There certainly is. What are you guys all packing up to do? Are you guys going to go somewhere? I'm actually just getting some ham and cheese and then I'm going to go back outside.
It's been a Diet Coke house and Josh has been very sort of, I would say Italian in his way.

He's,

he's wrapped meat and cheese.

Okay,

good.

Is that Italian?

French.

You need a house mother to make sauce and you need a house daddy to wrap up

meats.

And I'm going to pine pantry.

Okay,

great.

Bye boys.

This has been an amazing Snapchat.

Snapchat.

It's been,

it's back.

Snapchat is back. And that's exactly what this is.
This episode is just a Snapchat of what it's like to live in the pines. Can we do a terminology swap? Yeah.
Because podcasts doesn't really, it's not a great word, right? Podcast is over. You think the, as a word.
Of course we have to tie the word to the concept. The concept of podcast is eternal.
Can I be honest with you? What's a better name for podcast is Snapchat. That's what I was just going to say.
This is why I'm like, can podcasts now be called Snapchats? I think from now on, yeah. I think that the fact is, if anyone was going to be able to sort of swing their big, fat, thick, juicy podcast dicks and make this a real thing.

It's us.

It's us.

Can we just say our dicks have never been bigger?

My dick is not a drop of saline.

I'm huge.

I'm ready to swing it like Hank Aaron.

Who's that?

Famous baseball player.

Oh.

Let's try another one.

I'm ready to swing it like Barry Bonds.

You know that?

I don't.

You don't know Barry Bonds? Who is that? He is actually the all-time home run leader, and he was a famous San Francisco giant. And do these men have huge dicks or big bats? I mean, they were just amazing hitters known for hitting home runs, which is the analogy that I'm making.
What about this one? I'll start a little bit easier, and then we'll get to the really good, easy one. Sammy Sosa.
I do know Sammy Sosa. Baseball had been very, very good to me.
You, I was love bombed by an ex-baseball player once. Holy fucking shit.
Tell this entire story. No, it's not.
I'm not telling this entire story. You were loved by him by a former baseball player? He came to the Siri house, actually.
Oh, actually, I remember him. But he's a former college, I think he was like, I forget what division, but he was like baseball, baseball boy, while he was in the closet.
And like, you go back and look at his old baseball pictures and you're like, oh. One thing we share is we both saw each other's love bombers coming from a mile away, but didn't see it ourselves.
What does that say about us? Blinded by love. Blinded by love, title of that.
Blinded by love. But I'm saying with the friendships, like accountability check.
If this ever, if we ever get love bombed again. Oh no.
First of all, you know, I was on the front lines being like, Hey, no, no, I know. Although he did charm me like that for a second, for a second.
But this man took me by my arm and took me for a turn about the room. Like I was Elizabeth.
Like you were Charlotte. Yeah.
It was Elizabeth. And then it's Charlotte.
What's her face in the book? Anyway, Aaron's leaving. Bye.
Is it that you really want to get to the sandwiches or is it that you're just over, over us? I've never been over you. And I never will be.
You know, before he said, we will talk about Julius Dazzle. Don't you worry.
We chat about Julius Dazzle here. Can I, and I've been wanting content with Julia's Dazzle.
So maybe this is where it starts. So Matt came a few days after the rest of us, but we discovered this bottle of rosé in the fridge.
One of the most gorgeous form factors in all of glassmaking, glassblowing history. I can't believe this bottle.
Everyone Google Julia's Dazzle. Julia apostrophe S Dazzle.

The word dazzle. And you will

come across the most, there must be

some golden ratio thing going on here. It's just so

pretty. You know, it's not, we're not, it's not

just us. I posted this to stories.

Miss Ego King Wodum

herself goes, that is a gorgeous

bottle. I said yes.
I think it's really

getting around. Can I say something? And this is going to really hurt some people's feelings lisa vanderbump could never any like we end with much love to lisa we love lvp no but like there's something about this bottle of julia's dazzle rose 2020 we should say not a bad wine this is the part where you hold up the bottle of wine and you say great year but here's the thing 2020.
I'm never holding anything up with the year 2020 on it and saying great year. 2020 can't have that.
This is the only good thing to come out of that year. It's a rule of culture.
Number eight. 2020 was not a great year.
No, no, Matt, come in. Matt.
Matt. Matt.
Too late. Come in.
Come in. Oh my gosh.
I guess this would be your podcast debut. Is this Whitaker's podcast debut? Do you want to say hello to everybody? I think the only other time a little bit appeared on the podcast was also when I was coming back from a cancer year.
Beautiful. And that's how you prefer it.
You preferred the space. What are you looking at? What are you looking at over there? I can't see your computer.
New York Times Wirecutter sent grilling challenge week four. Well, we're letting everyone know about Julius Dazzle and we're letting everyone know about the beauty of Julius Dazzle and we actually just said, this is a 2020 wine and it may be the only good thing to come out of 2020 because you know how you're supposed to hold up a wine bottle and say great year? So hard to do with 2020.
Hard to do. Hard to do with 1968.
Oh my gosh, to say nothing of 1969. Well,

the moon landing was,

was,

was big.

I guess that was a pretty good year.

Okay.

Well,

we love any of the nine.

Okay.

Bye.

He'll be in and out.

Whitaker's going to be in and out.

You know,

Whitaker is,

and he's in the next room,

but I would say he is,

he's one of the Kings.

Well,

you know,

he actually made it onto my Instagram story yesterday.

And people,

it was a little bit of fine.

People always get thrilled when they go, who is that man? And I say, don't even bother. Yeah, don't even bother.
He's wifed up, honey. Honey.
Well, let's talk about the big. Wait, can you get me a Diet Coke? No, there's Diet Cokes behind you.
Oh, never mind, honey. There's Diet Cokes behind me.
Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. Yeah.
Thank you though, I know you would have done it. So it's been a Diet Coke household, it's been a Sprite household.
Now, I always say, I'm good, I always say that Sprite, what people think ginger ale does to your stomach, on planes, or, you know, on the ground, they're actually thinking about Sprite. It's the same thing that, when people are like, I love, I want to read a Joan Didion book that I haven't read before.
I go, no, you're actually thinking of an Eve Babbitt's book that you've never read before or that you've already read. Open it.
Oh my God. Not a better sound in the world.
It is the most satisfying thing I've ever heard. It's literally more satisfying than when you're with a man and he goes, I'm coming.
Yeah, I don't care for that. I don't care about that at all.
I don't care if you come. I don't care if you come.
Can I say it's really close to number 30? I don't care if you come. But that's actually quite refreshing.
Decent of the orgasm. You always are saying this.
Have we not, as sexual beings, been on either side of the like, well, it's okay. You know, like, I don't need anything from anyone.
I don't need anything from anyone and no one should need anything from me except my positive vibes. I wanted to ask you this.
How many times have you come in this house on this trip? That's too personal. Is it? Do you want me to answer? Well, Bowen, let's think about this.
Did I ask the question? Do I ask questions that I don't want answers to? Don't talk down to me. I've come twice.
Before I got here. Before you got here.
I was like, I have the room to myself. I was thinking that.
How many times have you? Have I been away from the room? Or have you come in another room? Can I be honest? Please. I went into the bathroom this morning and I shot.
I came. You shot.
I, I, I, you shot. You, you, you, you, you.
I almost said shot alone. It just felt too much.
Sorry. You guys know what happens to us when we get into Fire Island.

We get a little bit loose.

A little loose.

And before you levy accusations of us being Dua and always on vacation,

this is the last vacation.

This is the last vacation.

But we've also had a lot.

We've had work travel.

And it's been, I would say it's been a fruitful summer.

Should we reflect on summer?

Is this that episode?

Well, you're literally rolling your eyes with every single word.

So I don't know, should we? It's an important, it's an important thing that we should all do. We should all reflect on this season.
Okay, let's reflect. Highs, lows, roses, and thorns of the summer.
Rose, bouquet was Culture Awards and was being in Vancouver for June. I really loved that experience.
I was just reconnecting with Andrew and Rose's as well. Spending time with my friends, spending time at home.
I did not really, because of the strikes last year, it felt like it just, the summer wasn't really real. We were all just so stressed and the vibe was just bad.
It was very stressful. But it just went by.
I did not feel a sense of relief or respite, even though the strikes were happening and we were all just sitting at home. Agreed.
It did not feel good but of like relief or like respite even though the strikes were happening and like we're all just sitting at home agreed it did not feel good but this year felt nice what about you thorn i'll get to i'll get to later i'm gonna say my roses are so plentiful i would say my rose oh good we're doing roses and thorns of summer so think about that right well right now i'm going but wait let me come on the track that I've finished the album, Is This It by The Strokes, I want to say it's the original short and sweet. Oh, well, don't worry.
We'll get to short and sweet. Your army of, quite frankly, millennial gay men need to understand this.
And you need to have Julian Casablancus on the pod for your anti-man. The way he said, quite frankly, millennial gay men, it was truly a way to drag us.
The way he said Julian Casablock has also made me feel like he likes him more than us how many times have you come in this house this week we've been asking people great question keep in mind he and Aaron have been sharing a bed the entire time one one okay one in the bathroom yeah oh my god one in the bathroom yeah one in the bathroom and two in the pink um I okay wait so should I say my rose of summer yes please please i think my roses of summer honestly were on that same trip seeing taylor in amsterdam was a rose oh yeah and also specifically swimming in the sea in sicily was such a rose even though i famously got stung by a jellyfish there, which I'll just transition into my rose. I mean, my thorn, I think my thorn was pretty much everything that happened that day after I got stung by the jellyfish.
That was a, that was a rough day. It was not good emotionally, physically, spiritually, I'm sure financially.
You got to swim in the Ionian sea, which is magical. But then...
The clown came back to bite.

The clown came...

Because you did clownery.

But you didn't do clownery.

I actually was doing no clownery

and I had...

Other people were doing clownery.

But sometimes when other people do clownery,

the clown bites you for some reason.

I know.

I know.

That's what I don't like about the clownery.

Oh, trust me.

There's been so many times in my life

where I was doing no clownery,

nothing of the sort, and the clown just came

out of nowhere, bit me, and then got away with it.

Okay? I'm sorry.

Gotta float away from this.

Gotta float away. Do you have any roses and thorns

of summer that you want to share?

It's Josh Sharp, everybody. It's Josh Sharp.

Oh my God. Roses and thorns.

This week has been all rose. This week is all rose.

This has been a fabulous week.

Sky Agape, Julia's Dazzling.

What's my rose?

Actually, Graham Avenue Quinceañera

I'm sorry. This week has been all rose.
This week is all rose. This has been a fabulous week.
Skye Agape, Julia's Dazzling. What's my rose? Actually, Graham Avenue Quinceañera was one of my roses.
Josh Arb. You missed this.
One of the events of the season. The Graham Avenue Quinceañera? Josh.
A couple weeks ago, I was my 15 year anniversary of moving to New York City. And I've only lived off the same subway stop.
Graham Avenue. Congratulations, quincea.
We have to have a Graham Avenue quinceanera.

So we bopped around a bunch of spots.

And then can you tell everybody what the game was?

Like everyone, everyone who arrived.

Everyone was assigned famous Williamsburg celebrities.

And they had to wear their headshot and their description that Josh had written for them

on their chest.

Who are the famous celebrities that were represented?

People like Joy Behar, Bowen Yang.

Is she a famous Williamsburg celebrity?

She was born there.

Joy Behar, me. It informs a lot of famous Williamsburg celebrity? She lived in Williamsburg.
She was born there.

Joy Behar,

me. It informs a lot of her work.

You, Julio.

Julio.

A lot of mob people I found.

A lot of mob people.

I think like

some painter.

I was a painter.

I was someone.

That was a rose.

That was a rose.

I don't have a thorn

off the top of my head.

Yeah, that's good.

You've had a nice summer.

I've had a nice summer.

Yeah, okay, good.

I'm happy that you had

no thorns.

That fucking rocks.

I'm sure there's one

but I don't have it right now.

I don't live in thorns. Okay.
Yeah. You live in the light.
Yeah, I live in the light of Christ. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. I'm about to shower.
Do not describe the way my naked body looks to your listeners. Okay.
Alright, I won't do it. Everybody has been there.
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Should we get into Short and Sweet? To have Josh Sharp transition us to Short and Sweet is so remarkable. Really major.
I don't know what this was. Producer Josh.
I mean, he was out there listening to The Strokes and then he said it was the original Short and Sweet. We've had sort of a heterosexual, cis male energy as well because before you got here, it was the 30th anniversary of Grace by Jeff Buckley and we listened to that the whole way through.
Give me a break. Actually delightful poolside.
Sure Sure. Shut up.
No, I'm not gonna shut up. Fuck you, bitch.
Fuck you, back. Let me be a straight guy for once.
Okay, I'd love to see you try. Go ahead.
No, I'm not. Say more about.
Not an affect. And then we watched 20 minutes of Conor O'Malley content today.
We watched his new short film, Cory's, which you should all check out is insane. Starring friend of the pod.
Legend of the pod. Donnelly.
The one, the only, put some respect. Put some respect on Annie Donnelly's name.
Immediately. Did she win culture? No, Pat, Pat Regan won culture.
She did not win. But she spiritually won culture.
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Yeah, something like that. Reach out and you will win a special prize, which is us telling you that we love you.
If you were at Villain and you reach out to us and you let us know, we will list your name at the end credits of next episode. We will visually list your name in the next episode.
We will read the names. We will read the names.
We're in dispute on what's going to happen. Let's talk about the album of the year.
We really are ultimately such gay guys. Because you know what I realized? This is going to be the, I think, fifth time I get on this podcast.
And you're no better. No.
And basically say, this is the album of the year because I genuinely believe it. Well, so far, what have we said this about? We've said this about Eternal Sunshine.
Eternal Sunshine. Cowboy Carter.
Billy. Hit Me Hard and Soft.
Hit Me Hard and Soft. I'm sure at some point we said it about Chapel Row and in fact, we called it the album of the year.
We have two one album of the year for two years in a row. And so now we're saying it again, so five.
But there was one before that, I want to say. We never said Tortured Poets was the album of the year.
No. We just said we love Tortured Poets.
But, and Brat, of course. Oh, Jesus, Brat.
And then Dua, we said it was up there. Yes.
And I think Short and Sweet is, pound for pound, my favorite album. It is so good.
It is so good. And I know that no one can argue.
From the first seconds to the last seconds, brand new, clever, funny, point of view, underrated vocalist. Oh, yeah.
Try and do one of these riffs. I'm with it the whole time.
I'm never bored on this album. Not a second.
Not that I was bored on the others, but there's just something so she really lightly tugs at your attention for the 36 minutes, short and sweet. And we're saying thematically, obviously too, the title is it touches on this general thread of a short, ephemeral relationship that sticks with you.
Yeah, she said like it's about how the

short relationships are ultimately the ones that

fuck you up the hardest.

Don't we know.

Honestly, like, yeah.

And I think that I thought it was just like a cute little title

based on her own stature.

Her own very demure.

Very demure, very mindful,

very considerate stature.

Check that out on TikTok. If you open TikTok, you're going to get a very demure result.
If you know, you know. But yeah, no.
And then to hear about that, it's about like the brevity of relationships and how frustrating that can be when you allow yourself to really commit to that emotionally. I absolutely loved it.
What's your top track? And it's okay to say the basic thing.

I think, I'm not even worried

about that.

What I've been doing lately, and keep

in mind this album has only been out for four days

as of this recording.

Wow, that feels crazy. It feels like it's been with us

eternally. Matt Whitaker said this.

But I have been doing the thing

of keeping the album on repeat,

of course, but doing Don't Smile into Taste. I see.
Cause don't smile is actually phenomenal closer. I love it.
Just go and just listen, just listen to that song. It's just a perfect, it's literally a perfect throwback to, we were saying the other day, um, that taste was giving a little bit of Shania Twain.
And I mentioned the divinals. I touched myself myself and I gasped when you told me this yeah shout out

to Talia Crane

who I was having

the conversation

with her about

and she pointed that out

I was like oh my god

that is it

when I think about you

you'll just

have to chase me

I'm just kidding you

yeah it's living

in the same world

not just

not to

so when you do that

sometimes I feel like

it's a little bit

of a levy of a riff

it's not a read

I'm not saying

you're reading

but I'm just saying

it's just that like

pop songwriting

like tends to like

yeah sure

Here we go. I feel like it's a little bit of a levy of a rip.
It's not a read. I'm not saying you're reading, but I'm just saying.
It's just that like pop songwriting like tends to like. Yeah, sure.
Overlap with other pop songs. Yeah, and I think it's great.
What I'm saying is the divinal should sue this woman. Oh my God.
Based on what Bowen Yang just did. No, I'm just kidding.
But yeah, no, taste is insane. It is an insane song.
And what I was saying is it's a perfect throwback, pretty much song to song of the late 90s for me. Like, it's giving you a little bit of late 90s Shania.
It's certainly giving you like... Are you talking about that song specifically? Yeah, it's also giving you like throwback to like country moment.
I was saying, remarkably, Coincidence is Ladies of the Canyon Topanga, Joni Mitchell. Classic sounding.
Yeah. Tagging myself, Coincidence.
Taggingging myself coincidence. Whitaker tagged in said coincidence is his favorite.
That doesn't surprise me at all. Tracks.
Freezy. Beautiful.
Yeah. Laurel Canyon.
Laurel Canyon. And about Sean and Camila, which is one of your top issues.
Well, Matt Whitaker. He actually is running and he's running on getting Sean and Camila back together for once and for all.
You'll be hearing about it on the rebuttal album Tall and Testee. Tall and Testee! Really good.
Testees. Damn.
Well, I think there's not much else to say, is there? What? I'm kidding. This is a podcast about pop culture.
I'm trying to transition out of our little guest drop-ins okay nothing more to say from him well yeah so I love taste absolutely think please please please an espresso sing on the album they sound great and I think my favorite song is Sharper's Tool yeah that that tracks now come on Josh you can always contribute I would say ultimatelyanger. Last Night, I know, was the single, but it still holds up.
You're an loser. You're a big loser.
I think what Julian does with his vocal stylings on the original Shortest Suite, Is This It? You know what's crazy is- It created Indie Sleeves. Which songs are about Shawn Mendes on Is This It? Yeah, and which ones are about Shawn and Camila? Barely legal.
Oh, God. Oh, God.
Barely legal. It's crazy the sort of sexual power that Shawn Mendes on, on, yeah.
And which ones are about Sean and Camila? Barely legal. Oh God.
Oh God. Barely legal.
It's crazy. The sort of sexual power that Sean Mendes has over these women.
Ironic in a way. No.
Well, okay. So, so Sean Mendes also has a new, a new song, a new album out.
And I was watching the video and it actively made me mad. And what about being shirtless and playing his guitar in the woods and being like, and I'm just like, God, you really are just like, I don't know.
I don't trust him. You can move to the woods and be shirtless and play the guitar and put on an album.
The thing that pushes it over the edge for me is like, and this is not saying that like religion is bad. It's just that like,'t find God it's too much going on at once you gotta like give it to us in little pieces you do the Christianity album later here's what I'd say I agree with you 100% Sean leave these girls alone like just leave these girls alone like if just please hey men leave people alone if you know you're a fucking loser.
Just leave them alone. If you know you're going to bail on them later, if you know you're going to be too sensitive for life later, just leave people alone.
Go be annoying yourself. Go to the woods yourself without the cameras.
I don't know. He annoys me, man.
You said something that really resonated with me the other day.'m finding my husband I'm finding my husband I think I'm in husband mode too now Officially I'm in husband mode I'm not Literally no longer Fucking around Well because If it's not your husband Then it's 16 million Shawn Mendes's Who are like Giving you the fuckboy energy Bring the cameras out to the woods To film me shirtless playing guitar. And then, oh no, I have to totally bail on you.

It's like, guys, get it fucking together.

I'm not saying that I don't have empathy for people, but I'm just saying, stop stringing these girls along.

Stop stringing these people along.

We understand that you just want attention.

Govern your ass and your emotion.

You know who you are.

Just relax.

Stop with the attention seeking.

Period.

Is what I'm saying cogent?

Absolutely.

Or Amaya on Fire Island cracked?

No, I think maybe it's a mix of both.

Matt Rogers does what?

I was just going to say,

you know who made me think about this?

Ben Affleck.

Leave her alone.

Leave her alone.

I can't stand him.

I know.

I know.

Poor Jen.

So all she did was like be a lunatic.

Spend $30 million on a movie about this love. Listen to me.
She is a lunatic. But guess what? But she's not harmful to society.
No. She's a lunatic who is obsessed with love and a love addict and a romance addict and like, you know, all those different things.
And he just keeps coming back because he can't get his shit together. And Shawn Mendes, if you're not careful, that's going to be you in 20 years.
I'm just saying.

Is that a read on Ben Affleck's age? It's just these guys who can't help but string

these girls along.

These emotional, artistic

girls who buy

into it and believe it when people come

to them and say, I'm giving you everything, and then

they take it all away. These guys are jerks.

And they're gay, too, and they're running

around here. Oh, no.
And you know them. You might be them.
Turn it off. Turn it off.
If this is you, turn this off. If you're this guy, turn this podcast off right now.
This is for water signs. I think there's some water sign fuckboys.
Let me look up their signs. Ben Affleck, Astrologicals.
I'm sorry, Sabrina. This was supposed to be about you today, but what happened was you got fucked up by Shawn Mendes.
And now we're talking about this type of guy. So think about that.
We need to bring Chani Nicholas on the podcast. Oh, he's a Leo, Ben Affleck.
Color me unsurprised. Tracks.
Oh my God. Now what is Shawn Mendes? He is.
It's already a thing. Leo's son.
Oh my God. They're both Leos.
This is so fucking funny. This is crazy.
How do you feel? We're in Virgo season now. How do you feel about Virgo season? What I feel about Virgo season is I'm going to say my famous line.
I'm supposed to marry one of you. And let me tell you something.
You, I know Virgos love to be right. If you have an instinct about me, you are right.
Come get it. I'm ready.
Wow. Oh, this is really good.
This is a really good way to draw them in. It's for you to be like, you want to be yourself, your Virgo self? Come find me so you can be type A about my ass.
Listen to me. Just be nice.
Just be nice and supportive. You can be right all the time.
Who is Scorpio romantically compatible? It's just so funny that Shawn Mendes and Ben Affleck are both Leos, and those are the examples I was using, because they can't fucking help it.

They can't fucking help it. They can't fucking help driving these women crazy.
Okay. Earth signs.
Send a soft hay. Like Sabrina says in the song, you send a soft hay on a Tuesday.
I hate the soft hay. Yeah.
Just like, Hey, like I'm back. Get out of here.
What? I hate hey. Get into it.
Launch into your thing. Bowen Yang has expressed this before.
He hates to just be texted one word like hey. Like, hey.
You want to know what the reason is. Why are you wasting time? Hi.
Hi. The only thing the eyes of the other person can say back is, hi, and we're wasting time here.
Hi, hey. I think I always text you with a purpose.
Oh, no, actually, but I don't have to. You don't have to, and I don't mind it from you.
I would never just say hey to you, though. I would say, like, hey, girl, or hey, Queen.
Sometimes at work, though, I'll get a text, and it'll be like someone being like, hey. I'll like, what? Like the show's on Saturday.
Like, tell me. Yeah.
What do you need? What's up? What's up? I will be I'll be there. I'm not difficult.
I promise. Anyway, I feel like I identify with not being difficult to such an extent that that must mean that I am.
Can I be really honest with you? I wouldn't describe you as the least difficult person. I'm not the least.
I'm a little bit difficult. I think you can be difficult, but I wouldn't describe you as difficult.
But I would say you have the aptitude for being difficult. And I would say, flatteringly, the same to you.
Yeah. The same about you.
When do you consider me to be the most difficult? I honestly don't know what the context would be. I think you, when you know something,

you are very good at conceptualizing what you need

and you communicate that.

And when it's not given to you,

then you will vocalize that in a way

that I find so respectful.

I understand that.

What about me?

What about me?

Difficult.

Maybe sometimes communication.

Maybe sometimes like getting responses from you

or locking you down.

I'm very bad at, it's not, and see, that's not difficulty. Although maybe it is.
Sure, it registers as a difficulty to the other person. I'm just...
Something happened in the last three, four years. I got so bad at emails.
I got so bad at texts. I am not chiming into the group chat as much as I would like to.
Yeah, something happened. I never feel like I can't get a hold of you, though.

So maybe that's... I wouldn't say it's an issue.

I would say the both of us are not

issues. Not us water signs.

We're not these Leos. Not these famous

Leos out here, like, absolutely

running the show. If you're a Leo

listening to this, congrats.

Congrats on the scorched

earth that you

will lay in your wake for the rest of your lives unless you self-examine. See, this is so funny.
Shawn Mendes was born on, and we didn't mean this to be a Shawn Mendes drag fest, but the fact is, it is what it is. He was born on August 8th, 1998.
He's a fiery Leo sun with a rebellious Aquarius moon. This is literally the biggest

red flag ever. This

opposition reveals that our man was born in

a full moon and wants the lion's

share of attention and affection.

He will suck you dry.

He will suck you dry. And that's

what's happening here with Camila and Sabrina.

By the way, CXOXO and

Short and Sweet,

both, a lot of them are about Shawn Mendes. And that feels like, girls, we can do better.
Ladies, let's get our short asses up and out there in the world where there's billions of other men. Many of them aren't even Leos.
I have to say, it's helpful to be in a place like Fire Island as a gay man and be like, wow, there are just so many.

And then that's both like reassuring and also like neutralizing.

And you can sort of come at it in a Rorschach test way of like, this can be whatever I want it to be.

And I don't know why I'm relating this back to Shawn Mendes.

I mean, we were, funnily enough, the day that the It's Giving Cher moment happened, it was our wrap day at shooting at the Ice Palace, the underwear party scene. Well, what else? What else? Oh, I guess there's the rest of this album.
I mean, so Sharpest Tool is my favorite song. Okay.
Love it. It is also about that thing of someone giving you so much and then taking it away.
What else do I love? Oh, Bed Cam. Just fun.
When you know you're going to absolutely have a lot of fun, jump in somebody's bones. All the musical influences are very clearly drawn and delineated or whatever, but she just makes it her out.
Okay, so between Taste and then Good Graces to me is giving like, like, I think it's giving my 90s. Like, yep.
That's exactly right. R&B dance, like RV and dance, like beats.
Bedkham is very like, has like the Luther Vandross guitar, I would say. Anyway, just excellent all the way.
Mariah Carey would smile down on this album. Smile down.
I just mean from... No, I know that.

I mean...

That also feels like a joke.

I wasn't making a joke. I just meant that she would smile on this album.

Like, she is smiling on this album.

I don't know why I did that.

I think it's just I hold her in high regard.

Of course.

No, no, no.

I'm obviously thinking about Mariah right now

because her mother and sister both passed last weekend.

Very sad.

If you read her book, you know those were tough relationships and sometimes those are the ones that are the most difficult to lose. So I really hope she's okay.
And I did not mean to make light of that. Neither did I.
What I was trying to say was that Mariah would be, is so proud of this album, just because of not only the wordplay, it reminds me of the lyrics that Mariah would write when she started to have a lot of fun. I misadvert Mariah, but yes.
What do you mean? Just like when she kind of broke out of her Tommy Mottola moment. We'll call the earlier years of her career the Afanasiev years.
Walter Afanasiev was her big producer. And then when she stopped working with him and she was having more fun with her getting a little bit more like, you know, goofy and silly and her lyrics and stuff.
It just, this album reminds me of that. Like this, it feels like you're getting to know someone better when you listen to this album.
And she's obviously been around for a while, Sabrina and we had espresso and she's got a pretty well defined public persona at this point, even in the six, seven months, she's been like very famous. But prior to that, she was kind of known as just the other woman in this Olivia Rodrigo situation, who apparently that kid also is of this, you know, Shawn Mendes, Ben Affleck persuasion of, can you please leave these people alone? Yeah.
And then later on, like I'm queer. And then he came out.
Yeah. It's a very Leo thing to do.
Anytime, anytime, anytime anyone comes out the closet. Anytime anyone comes out of the closet in any fashion, it's Leo behavior.
We're not saying we hate Leos. We're saying that the worst version of Leos is someone to avoid.
And you know it's true. And the Leos out there listening.
And the Aquarius is no too, especially you Aquarius men. Which is why when I look down here and I see Shawn Mendes as a Leo with an Aquarius moon.
The Aquarius moon thing is what kind of like messes up the signal a little bit for Shawn. It's like he wants to be an Aquarius so badly.
And he thinks that being an Aquarius, that he thinks that the internal Aquarius life is to be shirtless and play the guitar in the woods. But it's like an Aquarian would never do that.
By the way, I just want to say something about Camila. She's a Pisces.
So this is why you love CXOXO. See, this is why I need to speak to her is because I'm like, listen to me.
He will never stop because he knows he can get it from you every single time. So you have to be you have to say CXOXO to this relationship, queen.
Okay, so let's just lay this out. Between Pisces, Scorpio, and Cancer, between the water signs, Pisces, y'all are the most vulnerable.
And because Cancer and Scorpio, we got our exoskeletons, we got our heart exteriors. Yeah, not me.
A Cancer, I will always love a Cancer. A Cancer is just pure light, pure joy, pure sweetness is kind of walking along the beach, being cute.

Very that.

Scorpio, we are scary and we can sting you and kill you.

You're the crab on the beach.

No, the crab on the beach is cancer.

What?

So what do you mean?

You're the scorpion on the beach.

We're the scorpion on the boulder.

Holy shit.

So like you've come into our domain.

A lion could crush me,

but I, with my stinger,

could kill you.

Yeah.

Even though I am also sensitive.

Crab could bite.

Scorpion's going to sting.

Crab can pinch.

Crab can hold your hand, though.

Isn't that sweet?

But a scorpion,

a scorpion is vulnerable,

is delicate,

can be easily broken in half,

but can sting and kill you. Wait, what's your astrological sign, Josh? I'm an Aquarius.
Get out of here. No, we love- Why am I catching Shawn Mendes' strays right now? Be kind to me.
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You know, it is refreshing to be in a household that is housewives agnostic. Because being on a vacation with you and Jared and Patrick is a very housewives-rich experience, which I love.
This is also a nice reset to be like, oh, that's right, like, not everyone. Here you play, like, The Strokes.
Did you just spray me with water? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. I was spilling up the ice.
We're more of a Jiminy Glick house. This is a Jiminy Glick house, and we told the RPKFs, we watched Conor O'Malley.
And we did a lot of boy stuff. What movie are we going to watch tonight? Before I got here, you guys watched Alien.
We watched Alien, which is not a, that's not a bro-y movie. That's a pretty gay movie.
I mean, yeah, I guess. But I'm just saying like.
All the men die first. Energetically though, like, you know, it's a rough and tumble movie.
Sure.

And then we are going to watch Step Brothers tonight, which is probably one of the bro-iest comedies.

But you don't want to watch Step Brothers?

Aaron's never seen it.

Aaron's never seen Step Brothers?

And it's so like Dix the Musical.

It's so like... Or Zoolander was the other thing.

See, I mean, my opinion would be I'd rather watch Zoolander.

And I say that as a proud member of the Big Money Players Network.

Double Feet Jaw. Double Feet Shaw.
So long. Not that long.
Both Will Ferrell films. I want to watch Newlander.
We've also been extolling Nathan Lee Graham. My mistake.
Your mistake indeed. My mistake is Jacobim.
I went out with Aaron and Josh last weekend and we smoked a little bit of weed and you're kidding I know but then Aaron was reminding me of because we went to go see Titanic with Nathan Lee Graham as Ruth oh as Rose's mother and you never saw Nathan as no I never saw Nathan Lee Graham also the great Ruth Ruth is always my favorite part of the show yeah it's amazing incredible the hardest I've ever laughed but Nathan Lee Graham has a moment where he just goes Ruth like breaks down he just goes I'm black I'm black and it's everyone's crying in the audience because it's Nathan Leigh Graham

screaming at the top of his lungs

and wearing like a little pussy bow top,

blouse,

screaming I'm black.

It was,

it's true theater comedy.

Do you think that show will go on and on?

It's here.

There's nothing I fear.

And I know that the show will go on.

Wait,

remember the other night at Showtunes when they played My Heart Will Go On and it was just like everyone. Silent.
Everyone just really allowed it to take its space emotionally, culturally, and sonically in that space. In that hallowed ground of the pavilion.
And My Heart Will Go On played and everyone one through the at the end was just like totally enraptured. And just, you don't get more iconic than My Heart Will Go On.
You just don't. You just don't.
But even in these like shots of Celine wearing basically nothing or whatever, just looking so gorgeous. It just makes, it reminds you of her famous quote, which is it's not about the song, it's about the performance.
She's not thinking about the music, the material necessarily. She is just thinking about how to deliver.
And that is so apparent. She is such, she is one of our big guest singers.
I mean, she, remember, never forget that one of the nominees for best note ever sung was at the very beginning of Every Night in My Dreams, at the very beginning of How It Will Go On. Every night in my dreams.
It's one of the best notes ever sung. This is

Celine Dion is on

Iconic 400. This is the time to say.
Wait, didn't we agree? Number 400 was Blake Lively. Number 400 is Blake Lively.
This is before the It Ends With Us drama. By the way, can I say, okay, I don't think I was totally aware of exactly what was going on with the It Ends With Us drama when we talked about it.
Me neither. We did not know.
Yeah. I was like very much like, oh, well, team Blake, duh.
And then I've since seen like the YouTube clips of her interviews talking and I'm like, oh, maybe it's not as cut and dry as I thought. Like, and now I'm just like wiping my hands of the whole thing being like, well, I hope everyone is happy with their huge hit film.
It's just why I just, I know press is hard.

I get it.

It's very exhausting and stuff.

It's a lot.

I just can't imagine being on camera and saying things like she says on camera to some of the people she talks to.

I'm like,

wow,

this is crazy.

You're not even pretending.

You're not even pretending to try and be kind to this,

this person.

You're talking, I'm talking about congratulations on your bum. Well, congratulations on your bum.
I was like, oh, this is wild. And it really just flew out her mouth.
I can't quite tell in that situation though. Like, should she have commented on it? Maybe not.
I don't know. I mean, like, here's the thing is it's like, and again, like, I don't know, but I would imagine like if you're the kind of celebrity who part of your deal is you do announce things like I'm pregnant.
You do announce things like we're getting married. You do have like a public relationship that you benefit from.
and also you're out here like you know with a lifestyle brand and like selling you know beverages

and like you know your hair stuff and like

being like a front facing public

celebrity also you're out here like, you know, with a lifestyle brand and like selling, you know, beverages and like, you know, your hair stuff and like being like, like, like a front facing public celebrity. If someone says to you, congrats on your bump, like you're going to get nasty about it back.
I don't think so, honey, quite frankly. And I don't use those words until the end of the episode.
I know it's early for me to say that, but it just feels like a little bit like, okay, everyone's allowed a bad day, but then there's a lot of bad days on those clips. I think this dovetails nicely into a conversation that we as a house have been having.
Which is what? It's just, it's so, I really envy that you can just go that dick and hole out. Aaron has returned from the pantry.
He's wearing, he's wearing a cropped Rugrats tank top and a Speedo thong that shows off his... And he's here with some cold brew concentrate.
Gorgeous body. Glute bridged body.
He did glute bridges so he could walk over to the Pines pantry with nothing on, two Band-Aids and a cork, and a Rugrats mini T-shirt. He doesn't even know who they are.
We said could get Chucky is one of them.

Lil and Lil, Tommy, Angelica.

Okay, so you learned it since yesterday.

Yeah, and look, and Josh is parading his way.

I think Josh has the fattest ass in Showbiz.

Josh is a gorgeously fat ass.

The twins do have gorgeous asses.

Aaron, do you have a comment on the Blake Lively controversy that people want to know? That the September issue cover is kind of boring. Oh! Tell that to Baz Luhrmann.
Directed it. Wait, what do you mean the September issue? She's on the cover of Vogue.
Oh, she's on the cover of Vogue and we're saying it didn't give? Oh, is it here? I brought it. Oh, we have it? We have to get it.
We have to look at it. I'll go get it.
I somehow get, I'll go get it. I get Vogue to my house by actress.
Chic. Love.
I've never, since 2024. Well, please bring it out because I would love to see this.
Because you're a media elite. And September issue was the issue.
They made a home documentary about it. Yeah.
Well, what did they say on the doc? That it's a big issue.

I don't know.

I don't really keep up with it.

Okay, great.

Like by Bob.

Oh, well, to be honest with you, I think this is stunning.

I just think it's good.

The colors might be.

Yeah.

The colors are not giving September.

I mean, she does have some iconic hair.

Of course.

I have thought that since Sister of the Traveling Pants.

I'm like, oh, my hair is so thick and gorgeous.

How do we feel about this?

I don't believe has ever had a stylist. Blake Clively.
Really? Yeah. Just taste? Just taste.
And cash. Matt is silent.
I think she could benefit from a stylist. Well, we all could.
An objective eye. I'm a fan, though.
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
It's like, I I'm a fan of all these people I don't want to turn on the TV

and see them be nasty

to interviewers

like that sucks

I don't want to think that

we've been talking about

Miss Chappell's week

where she has really

oh Miss Chappell yeah

well

I

Josh and I are obsessed

Josh brought this up

it's obsession worthy

that she is calling

anytime she talks about

the work

she says

the project

the project

she's like

I'm so proud of like

I love what we do. I'm so grateful for getting to do, to work on the project.
Yeah. That is such a way of like separating it, obviously, but being like, don't you see, I'm going to outline for you why it makes no sense for you to like run up to me and like unload all your emotional trauma onto me when all I'm doing is like putting work into this long-term project that I've, that I've made.
And of course it's going to elicit an emotional response for me because it's music and the way that like music is arranged and oriented around like worship is kind of weird and fucked up. But that is like, that is what she's like trying to rail against.
And it's hard, but it's hard to change that because it's so set in, in how it's been set up since whatever, like a hundred years ago. Yeah.
I think it's like so much simpler than people are making it out to be, which is she's an artist. Her job is to put out music.
She doesn't owe you one second of her time and energy. And she's making that really clear.
And she's letting you know she's not one of these people that's going to be out here pushing her personal brand and attaching it to herself and being out there and really trying to market that she is an artist who refers to what she does on stage as the project which means it's separate from her it's outside of her and when you come to her and you see her and you invade her space she's saying that might be okay for other people it is not okay for me and she is worst case scenario she pulls a d'angelo and she gets so fucking like rattled by this that she's like, I'm moving to the woods. I'm never putting in another album again.
Like, don't, don't let it get to that point. No, the way I feel is like, I fucking love her as an artist.
I love her music. Her music has like really bit like it's already, even though it's only been out for a couple of years, like it's been there for me.
Like it's inspired me. I've like really felt my feelings to.
And my thing is, I just want her to do it for as long as she possibly can, however she can do it. So if she's giving clear signals, just fucking lay off.
Just enjoy it for what it is because she's a human being. And I think there is a huge difference between her and the other people we're make their, who like, you know what I'm saying? They've had like the, not the training wheels on, but they've like had like a steady.
Some people love it. And some people love it.
Some people love it. Like I think there's a world where like, like I do believe that Jennifer Lopez calls the paparazzi on herself.
You know what I mean? Like I believe that she filed for divorce from Ben Affleck on like the two year anniversary of their big wedding because she wants people to think about that. She wants a documentary out there about her personal fucking life.
Not everyone is like that. And I think that is why Chapel feels the need to come out and be like, listen to me.
I am not like these people who want this type of attention all the time. Like, there's no part of me that thrives off of my personal space being something valuable to you.
Like I don't want you thinking about me and my personhood. She also said, don't call me Kaylee.
It's incredibly invasive. Like, and so when someone makes it that clear that they're not up for consumption in that way, just fucking lay off.
Cause guess what? There's a lot of people who, who out there who are, if that's something you fucking thrive on. And then there are also people who are like, well, then why is she like doing the VMAs? And why is she taking it? Because that's the project.
Yeah, that's the project. Separate from the way these certain people will engage with her, which is, yeah, I think the sort of quote unquote backlash to it is so interesting.
Cause it is a lot of people being like, but what if they're like, what if they're neuro neurodivergent or what if they're like, they have social anxiety or what if they blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, they should also just take accountability for what they do to the, what they do unto this person.
It's not like, it's like Chappell's going up to them and waiting for someone to like respond. I'm sorry.
The defense of people who are getting up in her face is, but what if they're neurodivergent? Which is honestly, no, but it's honestly like part of this thing where it's like, well, then she shouldn't be taking bigger gigs. And also like some people like have social anxiety.
It's like, well, then, well, no, that's people who feel entitled having that's what she's that's what she's yes. And she even says she's like, and if this makes you feel a certain way or if this makes you feel angry, if this makes you feel like something's being taken from you that's not my problem and you need to assess it which is important anyway the VMA's performance is going to be fucking legendary I just know it I don't know anything I'm just saying it's Gaga, paparazzi it might not be at that level necessarily but I'm saying it has that sort of power and expectation around it when like I remember where I was seeing that performance it was the summer of performance.
You know what I mean? It was the summer of Gaga. And then we were all like, what the fuck is she going to do with the VMAs? This year might bring the VMAs back in many ways.
On Wednesday. Cause doesn't it feel like, I mean, it's such a good time for pop music that like, it feels like the VMAs are worth tuning into again.
And maybe this is just indicative of this thing where the pop music landscape needs

girlies. We've gone without

pop girlies for too long.

Is Charlie performing? No.

I would love that. It's just Sabrina in Chapel for now.

Love Charlie's

New York mag. Oh, it's done.

Incredible. David LaChapelle.

Yeah, David LaChapelle. One more thing

on the chapel of it all, which I think is something

that's also getting lost, is it's not like she goes up on stage and waves and smiles. She goes up on stage and she's chapel-rown.
She's singing like very, very, very few people in the industry can, performing at 110% in drag, giving the show to an increasingly large amount of people, which is incredibly exhausting. So it's not just like, well, this is what she signed up for, whatever.
The rate at which this has accelerated is truly like wild. And it's, it would be one thing if it were, what I'm saying is like, if she were just performing in basements, she'd still be acting like Chapel Roan, which is a lot of energy.
So it's not like everyone else. It's like, she's actually giving you more and more than everyone, which is why you love her.
We love how maximalist she is. We love that she harkens back to a time that was big and emotional and energetic.
You know, like that's part of who she is, and also that speaks to how much energy she's using. So it's not, that's something you have to remember too, is that she's not going up there giving you nothing and coming off.
It's not easy for her to do what she's doing. Were you at the show at Brooklyn Steel where she, it was during her keyboard set, and it got a little quiet.
She was going into

my personal history stuff

and then there was just some chatter in the back.

And then she did the whole

school teacher thing, which I thought was great.

She's not a warm person and that's

wonderful.

Wonderful even. It's great.
It's wonderful even.

She's like, guys, there's talking going on back there.

And the whole theater was like, whoa, oh, okay.

She's not like,

she's not there to like, I don't know,

be like,

Thank you. And she's like, guys, there's talking going on back there.
And the whole theater was like, whoa, oh, okay. Like, she's not like, she's not there to like, I don't know, be like this like beautiful, benevolent, you know, like Gaga-esque pop star, which Gaga yes, did that back in the day, which maybe, I don't know.
But like, I think maybe like we need to like rearrange the paradigms around like how a pop star is supposed to make us feel and how we're supposed to act around them. Just treat people like people.
Treat people like people, whether you're a fan at their show who's up there looking at them, being like, wow, they're amazing. I put them on a pedestal.
That's a person. If you are a celebrity who's in an interview and someone says something you don't like, treat them like a person.
You know what I mean? Like just, I think everyone should treat if you're on fire Island and you come up to me and you see me treat me like a dog, treat me bad, treat me like you think I am. No, actually treat everyone else like a person.
Right. Well, people on fire Island love to do to anybody is just hurdle facts about niche actresses.
That's what happens. Sometimes you'll just be standing and someone will come to come at you from your left and be like, you know, she won the Oscar for best actress in 1964.
And I'd be like, I'm like, okay. Oh, everybody has been there.
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I, my one note about fire, that's not a note.

It's just a thing that I relearned about myself every year is that I'm like,

Oh, I haven't seen any movie ever.

I don't know any song ever.

That's so stupid.

Well, I'm just like, I'm like, what are y'all talking about?

I'm like, everyone's talking about fucking, I don't know.

Alien, like the alien movies. I was like, I guess I had not ever seen an alien movie.
Oh no, I saw, I saw Covenant. I just never saw the original alien, aliens, aliens.
So you've seen, but you watched Alien the other night. We watched Alien the other night.
I loved it. Yeah, it was great.
So you've never seen that. I've never seen it.
It's pure horror. I just know it's a horror classic.
You know what I have seen? I have seen Prometheus. And Prometheus I hear is very fun.
It depends on what you're looking for. It's pure lore.
It's like the origin. Yeah, it's like truly the origin story.
But I remember I saw Prometheus in college because I- Fassbender? Well, I wanted to see Michael Fassbender. I'm also a Charlize fan.
Of course. And I had it in my head that someone I was going to see the movie with even though he was straight we could maybe like have something happen and then i realized like was he a leo i probably could find out i'm gonna do i know this person you actually text me okay hold on you're actually gonna die when you find out who this is that i'm talking about wait wait wait okay this person is a Gemini wait what wait wait wait what are you what

is this true? Who is this person? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
I can't say it on the mic. This person is a Gemini? He's potentially well known.
This person is a Gemini, and we went to go see Prometheus together in college and I thought the whole time that something could happen and I'm telling Bowen who it is right now on text and that's who it is. I had a suspicion.
Oh my god. I love that first name by the way.
too such a hot first name okay so any more thoughts on Sabrina Carpenter short and sweet or else or should we move on to I don't think so honey no let's move on to I do really want to put out there Juno's so good Juno's so good of course and again don't smile love that as a closer yeah I also love you don't have to lie to girls. If they like you, they'll just lie to themselves.
Like, that's a great lyric. If they like you, they'll just lie to themselves.
Like you, they'll just lie to themselves. And I do think the highlight of the whole thing is, I might let you make me Juno and then she goes, you know, I just, you know.
I want to put out there, once again, I'm looking for a husband. Yeah.
That is the energy that I'm... Six, five, chest, fun, blue eyes.
Just kidding. Those are the worst.
Those are the worst. That's, that's danger.
Let's move on. I don't think so, honey.
Let's move on. I don't think so, honey.
This is our 60 seconds segment. This is...
Do you have something, Matt? Yeah. Okay.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. Ben Affleck.
And I'm not over it. And I have actually done, this is actually the trilogy.
Cause I've done, I don't think so, honey. Ben Affleck and JLo critics the first time I, when they first got together, I said, let her get her best nut if that's what she wants.
Right. Turns out now I'm like, you know what? I should never have given that advice because you know what? She went back to her best nut and it blinded her.
Sometimes your best nuts blind you. And then all of a sudden, here you are heartbroken because a man can't, like only said he was a man.
And it's like Sabrina Carpenter said, just because you leave like one doesn't make you a man. Okay, Ben Affleck, get it fucking together.
And now he's Kick Kennedy. Give me a goddamn break.
First of all, I don't think so, honey, the Kennedys. RFK Jr.
actually killed us all dead. You know what? I'm done.
By the way, what microwave did that man go into? Because Jesus Christ. Hello? What is going on? What is going on?

Now Ben Affleck is in the family.

I don't think so, honey, Ben Affleck.

It's a mess.

Get it together.

And that's one minute.

Crimson Banner.

Crimson Banner.

That is who you do not trust.

Yeah.

We are done.

We're done.

We're done with the Leos.

We're done with this.

Actually, this is an attack on Leos.

Full out. Should this episode be called an attack on Leo's full out.

Should this episode be called an attack on Leo's?

Yes.

Not, what was the other one?

Aquarius.

Aquarius, bright, silly, whatever.

Okay.

Attack on Leo's.

I feel like that was the last episode.

The last title that we said.

Oh, white, blessed, and-

No, no, no, no, no, no.

White, fair, and blessed.

No, I forgot it.

My brain is-

What's your astrological sign, Aaron Jackson? Taurus. Trustworthy.
Trustworthy. Hard worker.
Stubborn. Stubborn.
Beast of burden. Oh, we know you're stubborn.
Loves luxuries. Yes.
Fine things. Well, what's that you're drinking? Orange juice? This is tangerine juice.
Not always. That is very Taurus.
That is very... To not drink orange juice, but drink tangerine juice? You would never make it at Honcho.
Never. No, I would...
I want to, but I think I would never survive. I would perish.
It's, like, very smelly. And that's why the city smelled nice when the boys were gone.
So this is Boneyang's. I don't think so, honey.
Do you have something. Hold on.
I have it. Yes, I did just have it.
Did you write something down? Oh, no, no, no. I have it.
I have it. Okay.
This is Bone Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.
I Don't Think So Honey. Oasis reunion happening.
This is a toxic relationship. This is a toxic brotherhood.
The Gallagher brothers are not meant to be together anytime like this is the thing they like attack each other in the press but then they always are like but we might reunite stop it this is such i'm over it i'm over it pick a lane stick to it for the rest of your life because guess what we don't trust you i like oasis is one of those bands at this point now it's like have they earned this kind of fervor and like media attention like i don't like they're not like lauren hill level to me where it's like we will just like put up with the the wacky behaviors these are two men who are so toxically bad to each other and to the world and this little game of like we might reunite and now we've reunited and we're playing all these shows only in london and ireland or only the uk and ireland i'm not coming to you come to me and that's one minute well you know i think two boring white people oasis is like lauren hill liam yeah sure you know what i mean but even lauren will play a show and lauren's not like lauren's not arguing like i'm. She's like, no, I'll just tour with this one masterpiece of an album that I wrote.

Yeah.

With arrangements that are different every single time.

Right.

And Oasis,

it's like,

okay,

besides what's the story of Morning Glory?

Like,

I don't,

I can't tell you what the,

like,

I'm sorry to the Oasis heads out there,

but it's like,

that's,

that's,

that's the,

that's the album.

You know what I mean?

Like,

otherwise it's,

it's,

it's Slim Pickens,

Sabrina Carpenter. This might surprise, Slim Pickens, another highlight of the album.
Of course. This might surprise people to hear, but I'm actually overhearing or knowing anything about celebrities.
Like, I know we talked a lot about them today, but that's only because, like, that's the news outside of, like, the DNC. So, what should this podcast be about now? Well, I'm just saying, it's just like, I would rather talk about the things that they are a part of and doing like artistically, but the behavior is what's forced down our throats.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I, and I wonder, let's talk about the work.
I wonder if the thing with it ends with us is like, it was so difficult to market because it is essentially what it is that it's hard to get out there

and say what the movie really is.

So they did lean into this whole thing

of the drama or whatever.

And I don't know if the movie was a success

and worked because of that,

financially and commercially,

because it was a huge fucking success.

But also, I guess the book is that famous?

The book is that famous,

but there was supposed to be a sequel in the works and I don't think that sequel is happening anymore because of the drama. Oh, I see.
So that's where we are. But see that this is the thing.
It's like it, the behavior affects the work so much. Yeah.
So yeah. Well, well, that's the summer.
That's the summer. I think we will earnestly start.
I think we have to start doing Iconic 400 soon. Well, you're difficult to get a hold of and pin down.
I'll do a better job of responding to my emails. No, you've actually been the one being like, let's do this.
I think when we do start the list, here's the last thing I want to say about Blake Lively. I'm looking at all the positives and there are so many.
There are so many positives. I'm not going to let this press tour.
The Iconic 400 is a celebration of these people. And she does have Iconic hair.
She has a lot to celebrate. And you know what? I do like this photo.
It's just very... Is there more pictures in here? When you think September issue, when you think Baz Luhrmann, it's a little muted as I think people's issue with it.

God, the Vogue September issue is so big.

Yeah, you can't even find

other pictures of her in here.

I mean, it's just too much.

It's too much.

Oh, there's a great picture

of Julia Roberts in here.

Good for her.

She needs one.

She needs a good picture.

I mean, she needs to be photographed more.

All right.

Well, listen.

This has been Las Culturistas.

Oh my God, do a... Do a...
Libre. This has been Las Culturistas.

Dua Libre.

YSL.

Dua Libre.

We're going to enjoy the rest of our vacation.

We hope wherever you are in the world,

you are having a nice wind down of your summer, winter,

if you're in the Southern Hemisphere.

And Leo's really think about what you've done.

Think about what you've done.

Consider changing signs.

Isn't it a bummer that they also get like the heart of the summer too? Like they get to feel whatever. Fall is where it's at.
We're so excited for fall. Oh, I'm so excited.
Can I also say there are some Leos out there that I really like. Of course.
Here, let's look at famous ones at least. Let's end on a positive note.
Yes. Best Leo celebrity.
Jennifer Lawrence. Love her.
J-Lo is also a Leo. Oh, wow.
Two Leos together. See, that's why we're talking about it.
Oh, Madonna's a Leo. Kylie Jenner's a Leo.
This says it all. Daniel Radcliffe.
Meghan Markle's a Leo. Daniel Radcliffe is a demure Leo.
Barack Obama is a Leo. Sure, sure.
That tracks. Lisa Kudrow.
Demi Lovato. Dua Lipa.
All these people love attention. Charlize Theron.
Oh, wow. Mick Jagger.
Whitney Houston. Joe Jonas.
See, we do love Leos. We love Leos.
We're just kidding, y'all. Best sign.
Best sign. Bye.
We always end up with a song. Slim Pickens.
I don't know what that was. Slim.
Oh, should we tell them our new bit?

What's the bet?

When someone is saying something you don't like,

in the middle of the sentence,

you start going like this.

Tell me something I really don't like.

Long Island sucks.

I suck in too much air and I get the heck. But you're supposed to just growl and gore

I'm pretty scary, huh?

Wow, maybe we have Leo energy

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