"The Life of a ShowgirlS" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

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Bowen, look over there.

Wow, is that the culture?

Yes.

Goodness.

Wow.

Last culture is

ding-dong.

Dong, Las Culture.

Ooh, you're a little hot on the mic.

Am I a little hot on the mic?

First of all, you just got dressed down by Doug, so you can't talk to me about the mic.

No,

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I am just telling you, I hear you spiking.

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Doug, am I too hot on the mic?

It doesn't sound like it's distorting.

It is a little bit louder than Bowen.

Okay, well, maybe that could just be my excitement.

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Ooh, we.

The life of a life of a podcaster.

The life of a podcaster.

Remember when we thought, I literally, as of like yesterday morning, was like, oh, how great.

Like not a lot happened.

We're going to be able to recap the culture awards.

Like, and then

it's horror movie logic.

And we'll more on that later.

But it's, you know, just when you think you're safe.

Ooh, no killers right behind you.

The Wendy Williams killer.

Oh, the Wendy, the killer.

But in this case, I'm so happy that the killer has arrived.

Do you know what actually bummed me out, though?

I went to my closet to sort of have like a fun experience for me and you on the zoom.

I was going to wear orange.

I don't have an orange thing.

And that's probably for the best.

I don't think so.

Orange is just tough.

It's just tough on human skin until until we have blue skin, until we're navy, until avatar fire comes out.

And the New York Mets coded.

It's New York Mets, but it looks good on the Mets, on Mr.

Met and Miss Met.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I actually,

there was one time time in my life i think i was in elementary school i might have been like fifth grade and someone told me you look good in orange and i remember i was like huh well

about that it's your neutral tone it's the olive tone and so maybe that it that's it it's it's your hellenic sorry mediterranean um lineage but you know blue and orange is a classic combo denver broncos that was big

You know,

blue and orange, there are other examples, I'm sure.

Didn't you wear orange for something we did once?

Were you in orange in Pop Roulette way back in the day?

I remember you wearing orange.

I was goldenrod.

You were goldenrod.

That was your color.

Okay, wow.

Slight difference.

I think none of us were brave enough to do orange.

Well, who is brave enough to sort of do orange is Taylor Swift, who has announced The Life of a Showgirl, her...

12th album, TS12, as it were.

TS12.

And with oranges all over it and also some mint green, which we can also,

which we can only describe as tic-tac-coated it's tic-tac-coated i would say that it is more green i think the orange was a mislead and because she didn't want to double up on green with debut with and so maybe that was the era color but i think the overall story is mostly mint green touches of orange because even she is not

is not no knows that it is not the color It would just be a lot to be

exclusively orange.

But then again, I don't put anything past her.

I mean, during eras, and she looked good in the color.

She did.

And you know what?

Should we look at the Eras Tour book just to see if she dropped any Easter eggs in that?

And look at it.

Is it by you?

By me.

Oh, you're talking about the official.

Oh, wow.

The hardcover book.

So I don't think I have this.

The note inside when she said, see you next era.

Okay, what does it say?

You know, her talking about Aerist Tour, Aeros Tour.

We can do it with a broken heart.

We do it.

Baby Life Comes in Phases, Waves, Brilliant Flurries of Magical Moments.

All these things come together.

The great hairs.

Okay.

There's some just like orange emphasis.

The last line is, orange, you glad you came to the Eras tour.

Oh my God.

You're right.

She did an orange pun right there.

She did it.

Oh, wow.

Anyway,

okay, maybe, maybe I was misremembering things.

Maybe it was a Mandela Effect situation.

I'm blaming a lot of things on the Mandela Effect lately.

That's my toxic trait.

Define the Mandela Effect.

Bears, Bears, Stain, Bears, Stain Bears.

Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

You know, if uh you know the countless examples like uh if

you know popeye had a green shirt instead of a black one or whatever like that's that's i'm making that one up no yeah that's no i i immediately remember what it is so we could be doing that but the thing is like

life of a show girl orange and mint green like all these things like

I can't say that on the face value,

they go together, but I am more excited than I've been in a while.

Like, it was like three days ago, I wasn't even thinking about this.

I was obviously we were thinking about other things, and then all of a sudden, I was like, Okay, yes, I'm ready.

I'm really ready.

And, you know, the showgirl imagery, it's just, it just goes to show no pop girly

is safe from a circus-esque, showgirl-esque, masquerade-esque era.

Well, and this is true of everyone, including Taylor.

At some point, these girls, I'm sorry, these women reckon with the fact that they are

that the most legible metaphor on their journey through performance and being an object of whatever is like, you know, being on display is the circus, which actually, like, I don't, I don't totally poo-poo it.

I don't, I like the circus eras.

I think it's going to be great.

I think that she, she clearly got something from the I can do it with a broken heart type of performance she was doing at Eristor that so clearly like tips to this.

But my whole thing is, so there's been some, and I hesitate to really go here because leaks are leaks, but there is some imagery floating online.

We don't know yet if it's real or not, but

it actually points to her having a kind of...

Era, which I have seen for her in the past.

And I can't remember if I've said it on this podcast, but the imagery that the life of a showgirl thing and even the colors is sort of pointing to is sort of like an Annie Lennox diva type,

grandiose energy.

And she's also like, the rumor is that she worked with Max Martin on a lot of this, which to me makes it feel like we're going into a big pop era.

Like if.

you know, 1989 reputation lover type thing, as opposed to we're clearly not in a, in a depressive moment.

No.

I mean, I'm sure it will be a little

maudlin.

Oh, yeah.

But I'm just saying, like, there will be elements of like sadness there.

There's dimension to all our work.

I think I remember, I also recall you saying, I think after Reputation, you were predicting a Pat Benatar adjacent thing.

I feel like maybe it's not quite that.

It's not this.

I feel like, I feel like my thing is like

one of the pop girlies was going to try to do like a a Pat Benatar type thing.

And I think some of them have hinted at it.

I feel like the person that's been closest to really kind of doing that has been Miley.

Yeah.

But I don't know.

It's not really.

I guess that was the plastic hearts era.

And it didn't really

pop off.

Yeah.

I think

we are

floating with, I mean, there's a lot to work with here, right?

Because I went to you and Jared.

I said, Vegas residency.

And I said, what better venue than the Sphere?

What better, you know, like it can hold a lot of people every on a given night.

My new thought is just, I hope she incorporates Elizabeth Berkeley, Gina Gershon, in some capacity.

Oh, absolutely.

From the movie Shows.

Bring it back together.

Have a moment where it's like, you know, Torture Post Department, Dead Poet Society.

Connect the dots to cinema.

Lead single, her and Kyle McLaughlin thrashing around in the pool.

I mean,

why not?

Her, her getting a lap dance, her getting a pussy-out lap dance from Elizabeth Berkeley.

I feel as though it's the only move.

It's the only move.

But you know what, though, in a real way, the life of a showgirl thing kind of gives Super Bowl more than anything else she's done.

You know what I mean?

And that,

and we think that's the terminus.

That's like the end point for this.

I don't necessarily know about endpoint, but I'm just thinking like in terms of aesthetics that go with something

in culture that she hasn't yet impacted.

That being the Super Bowl halftime show, obviously the Travis of it all.

You know what I mean?

Like in a world where it feels like these people can predict the future somehow or just are able to manifest this shit, like him going to the Super Bowl feels real during the life of a showgirl era.

Totally.

I do think it's interesting that Taylor Swift has now done a podcast.

I'm just saying, it's interesting.

She has done a podcast with men who have been in the straight male friend sketch.

Wow.

There's avenues.

There's avenues.

But my opinion is

she should be the second to last episode of this podcast whenever that happens.

Oh my God.

And then the last would just be us.

The last would just be us.

I feel like the last episode can't be Taylor because we're going to want to talk to each other.

But this is not in the plans anyway, everyone.

Drew just saying holistically, we could be 60 years old and Taylor Swift brings her talented ass in.

But yeah, I mean, there's not much to know yet, but I am excited.

I will say,

maybe we'll cut this out, but there was an ask.

We did, there was outreach to her for something in the culture awards, especially in the N App Sen show, which we'll get to.

What we got back was, now is not a good time.

And, you know, obviously it made sense then.

It makes even more sense now.

It's like she's going to wait for her first quote unquote like appearance on something.

Be very intentional because of course the album is coming out.

This was what I was going to say.

Didn't we also hear rumblings of ABBA-infused Swedish pop?

Max Martin?

The

scuttlebutt was that it was ace of bass, ABBA,

Swedish pop, like you were just saying.

Like it's like that kind of stuff.

It's giving Eurovision happy pop, in love.

That kind of reads the color orange, like orange and the mint green of it all.

They feel like upper colors.

Creamsicle.

creamsicle also her sitting on her boyfriend's podcast and giggling and laughing it's just it's you know she's she's gonna

she's gonna attempt to make the world happy and we need it

certainly do we certainly do and uh for now we are waiting with bated breath i think by the time this comes out so i think the new heights episode comes out on the same day this episode does i think 7 p.m they will unblur the album cover.

So at this point, we do not know what that looks like.

Yeah.

So, So, you know, exciting times.

But yeah.

We'll have more to say next week.

Well, more to say next week.

And then our Anjara did point out that she liked a tweet where someone pointed out that this is the 12-year anniversary of applause.

TS12, 12 years, this rollout.

You know, like is and then she liked the tweet, which is either an acknowledgement of the coincidence, which is purely coincidence, or it is the intentional thing.

12 weeks since she announced that she bought her masters back.

Whoa, and so that's also there's there's you know, let's just keep digging through the numerology here.

The Easterths are usually just numerical, and which is not it, which is not to say just it's like let's focus on numbers exclusively are Swifty Sleuths, you know, like let's let's let's go in that direction, but keep going.

Do you remember her um

walking out in the stadium with the cat and she was in section A12,

August 12th?

Yeah,

so basically, like there are so many, there are so many examples of this that it's either completely insane how accurate and like how methodical they are with this numerical stuff and the Easter eggs of it all, or at least some of these things are coincidences in a way that it's like, if people worked hard enough on anything, they could find.

a line to draw to any of these things if you really worked hard enough.

Like it just feels crazy to me that she would be like, okay, well, it has to be this day because it's 12 years since applause.

And we

months prior, like, walked out at A12.

Like,

I have no idea what it's like to be someone at that level.

And I wonder if every single day is planned out.

Tim Shaw.

I mean,

it's certainly possible that she outsources the...

planning to a team of people.

Yeah, a team of scientists.

A team of scientists, a calendar scientists.

Astronomers and astrologers.

Yes.

She has six astronomers and six astrologers, and she puts them all in a room.

12, by the way.

And that was my Eastern.

Astrology, 12.

12 months of the year.

Holy shit, bro.

Oh, my God.

There might be something to this.

She let us have a week.

You know what I mean?

Like, the thing about Taylor Swift is she saw Lost Culturally.

Sisculture Awards were coming out.

I don't know that she watched them.

might have even seen they were coming out but she said oh give them a week I'll give him a week oh let the

dipepsy cover right and be the viral thing for a week totally and next week is the 12-year anniversary of our of applause okay I'll do it then I'll yeah that'll be a drop that feels right speaking of dipepsy ben platt Thank you so much, Matt Rogers, for bringing that into the world.

You can attest to this.

It was one of the things we knew was happening in the show for the longest period of time.

Like that was truly like a blue, that was part of the blue sky was like Ben Platt is going to sing Diopepsy, which was a record of the year nominee before we knew he was going to be performing.

And then I was like, oh, he should do that.

That would be good.

It was a nominee that we had established early on.

And then

Ben was booked and we were so excited that Ben was on, of course.

Yeah.

And that was, it was the blue sky on top of a blue sky because it's like, well, Ben Platt can sing anything and sing it beautifully.

It was not i mean it's a beautiful cosmic alignment that he sang that song but for for a minute there it was this like open question as to what he would sing yeah and it was absolutely intended as a joke i was like oh he should sing diet pepsi that would be funny and i bet and the i remember i was like i think i bet it's going to be gorgeous too like we'll find a way and then you know leland and gabe lopez and who are the producers on it and did our whole all of our music for the show?

Bowen and I actually went to the studio the day that Ben was there.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I hadn't even really, we had been so busy with so many other parts of the show that him doing that song just kind of became like a given.

And so we go there, and I remember being so excited because he was coming.

We were going to see him in the booth.

And I was like, oh, this is going to be so fun.

And then he started doing it.

And I remember I looked at you and I was just like, wait.

Is this like the moment of the show?

And I don't take videos of a lot of stuff, but I took, I recorded one of the takes while we were there.

I was like, ooh, this is, this is something.

Brett was like, you're going to want this.

Brett,

he's always like that.

Whenever I'm in the studio with him, he's like, take a video of this.

You're going to want this.

And he was right about this because Ben is just in the booth just

shredding and like meaning it.

And so many people are now standing there listening to the words for the first time.

Like it's stunning.

Oh, no, Addison Tor.

By the way, I think there is a place, there's some discourse about like them being deleterious, like one song sort of eating up another.

No, it's not that.

Oh, Ben having Kelly Clarkson the song, the TikTok,

the virality.

Here's the thing.

Like, I get what people are saying.

Of course, he did Kelly Clarkson the song.

He covered the song in a way that like a legit singer would do it.

And, but for me, it's just like, what it does is it actually shines a light on the fact that that song is really fucking good.

Really good.

And like, it has,

it has a completely different valence when Addison Ray herself sings about losing her innocence in the backseat, you know, like there's like an irony and a different kind of sweetness, a different kind of emotion behind Ben Platt singing it.

Not even irony.

Like he, he fucking earnestly sang the shit out of that song.

I just love the journey of it.

And I was talking to to him afterwards because he was completely blown away by the response to it.

Like, I remember when we were in the booth that day, I turned to him and I was like, you're going to have to release this.

And he goes, I mean, if there's demand, like we could talk about it, but I don't know.

Well, there you go.

And then it became this thing of, you know, it going sort of totally off on TikTok.

And

my whole thing was like,

it was really the journey of the audience that, that made it.

Because we were talking and he was like, I feel like to go into the studio and now put out like a canned version of it, like

we would have to rush that, et cetera.

Let's just put out the live version.

And I was like, that's my favorite thing about it is people discovering the fact that they're moved

while it's happening.

The laughs at the beginning of the song from the audience are actually a really important

coordinate for the journey of the song, I think.

Well, that like is the culture.

I remember like we were putting the show together and I kept being like, the sentence I feel like we were saying to like validate that something should move forward was, that's the culture awards.

You know what I mean?

Like Ben Platt singing Diet Pepsi, which on its face value was funny to me, which is the reason why it came up during our Blue Sky.

But then what makes it the culture awards is it actually sort of worked.

Right.

And that's like the case for so many things in the show.

And we were just, I feel like I can speak for myself, but after Abrakadabra, I i could relax because we had done it and then we were just watching it and it's it was

yeah to your point it was a mad libs vibe check it was yes okay blank is presenting blank to blank sasha kolby is presenting best new artist to gabby wendy yes the culture awards yes like um you know that is

That is sort of the DNA behind the whole thing.

I think Matt and I did mention last episode that we had watched the Final Cut together.

And it was a very

wonderful experience just to like have our moment with it before it got released because I kept, I mean, there were moments where I felt to my knees at just like, I can't believe what I'm watching.

And I, to, just, and I, that sounds a little bit masturbatory for me to say about my own thing, but like, I, I had gotten back from China.

I was not in the edit.

Matt really took point there with Jane Munn and Lauren Mandel.

And I mean, I watching it, I was like, holy moly, just like the, I mean, the thing that took me out, the two things that took me out were Angie Katzanevis doing

the full victory pose, hands fanned out completely while

while the parthenon was behind her and then the second thing was stiptus pronouns which we could not post to socials for various reasons um we'll we'll let you guess why we couldn't post them based on like the ip but we're thrilled it's in the show because you guys have

the whole time we were like pushing so hard to get this in and it was the one thing where we were literally going back and forth like okay like are you guys gonna take this away from us at the last second?

Like, please, please, please.

Please.

And it was in Jill Kimbooster and Darcy Currigan nailed that.

Like, just exactly the energy that we want it to be.

We were watching it.

Literally, Bowen was on

the floor.

We had to rewind it because it's just so fucking stupid.

We love it.

And congratulations to Stitch, by the way.

E is so happy that E's pronouns are known to the world.

I love ah.

And I hope that wherever E is, they're having an amazing day.

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When you look at it all collectively, it's like you're talking about like, it sounds masturbatory.

Like, no, you sh we sh here's the thing.

We should love the things that we create.

And like, I'm looking at that and I'm being like, i love this and i the only thing i ever want is to walk away from something that we create

i create anyone creates i feel like you just want to leave being like i could not have done it better at this stage in my life like i'm walking away from that yeah i'm sure it's it's like when i watch my special it's like now it's been a few years and i look at it and i'm like i could do it better now but at the time i could not have done it better and i feel like i know it looks like it's it's big budget because we had an incredible team of people working on it.

We did

not have a big budget.

We did not actually have the infrastructure to do that show, but we still did it because we were surrounded by people that like believed in it and wanted to make it happen.

And to talk about the talent that came to do the show, like they all wanted to be a part of it.

No one was getting much out of doing it just out of, you know, it just felt like a real team effort that, yes, we spearheaded and so i can look at it and be like yeah extremely proud of how dumb and fun that is the thing that i think is pulling with the budgetary restrictions of it there's people who work at a lower rate than they usually would and it's just because they had this shared love of

and belief in what we were doing, which to me was the thing that kind of like gave me the drive to keep going.

It was not easy.

At many stages, it was challenging, challenging just on the body, on the mind, on the creative sort of like

wheels that were spinning.

Like we had to make a lot of, we had to move a lot of puzzle pieces and the puzzle pieces were

tenfold upon tenfold, tenfold upon tenfold upon tenfold, because it was, okay, who is the available talent?

And that was changing all the time day by day.

What are the categories that are in play?

Because those were changing day by day based on the talent that was available.

And then there were sponsorship things that we had to, you know, take care of in terms of obligations and all these other things.

On top of that, the jokes, on top of that,

just the movements and the writing.

And we had to plug this in Can, which kind of knocked us on our asses.

That was exhausting.

Like we went to Can and then coming back and like not being able to get equilibrium again for like a week and still writing the show.

Big shout out, our teachers in these experiences, Liz Patrick, our director, Jay Munn, our showrunner, Laura Mandel, our co-producer, Olivia Gurky, our manager, EP friend, everyone at Lionsgate, Lauren Lemieux, Jonah McMichael, Matt Caddy, our choreographer.

All the dancers.

All the dancers, phenomenal.

Matt Steinbrenner, our production designer.

Everyone at Pentagram.

I feel like I'm giving an award speech, but everyone at Pentagram, Emily Oberman.

I just called them Pentagon when Josh and Aaron were on the show because brain fart, but

just incredible, incredible people.

And also, I want to say one thing about one of the dancers.

So basically, we are, we're running Avracadabra.

We're learning it.

And

behind me are two of the dancers, Taylor and Hannah.

And I say to them, I'm like, so who's your favorite?

Because I had heard that a lot of the, you know, a lot of the dancers, like these are like working dancers.

They dance for a lot of the girls.

So I'm like, who's your favorite person that you've danced for?

And all the dancers kind of look at Taylor.

And she goes, I mean,

Taylor Swift.

And that's when I realized I was like,

You are from the Aristotle.

Yeah.

She went by banks in the Aristotle.

She had the long braids.

And I'm like, you, I hit the floor.

I was like, are you kidding me that you're here doing this?

You're a celebrity to me.

Like, and she was like, I was, I, of course, I had a million questions.

I was just like, I was like, what was the best shout?

But literally, she was from the Aristotle.

And that gave me strength.

And my thing that I pointed out that I was like, Taylor Swift, you legend, I said, she let

at least one other Taylor in that, in that space.

Well, she went by banks.

Well, of course she went by banks, but it's like,

whatever.

You know, you know, like there's, it's not like, it wouldn't, it would be somewhat reasonable to be like, okay, you know what?

It's actually kind of confusing.

We can't have another Taylor.

We can't have another Taylor.

Like, no, have another Taylor.

No, she was great.

And by the way, those dancers were epic.

Did you see um baden i believe i saw baden did a tick tock about how he because i remember when my mic puff fell to the ground yep baden went in and saved there's a tick tock of this and he is a true professional and then what resulted was an iconic shot of baden lunging across the floor and while i was doing the the abracadabra arms and iconic And thank you during that TikTok in one of, and it like, um,

just like showing exactly

how like it just like he incredibly remained in character while also taking that thing it was really really good

remarkable remarkable those performances highlights of my life doing those with you especially I don't want to miss a thing with Lucy especially I don't want to miss a thing with Lucy who bless her to the heavens on high

just

so good

so

accommodating like took the lower harmony

not because we asked but because she, you know, felt like it was, it was the right thing.

And I mean, it was so special to get to sing with her.

That she sounded amazing.

She sounded great on that.

I was like, that running that, the three of us in the drowsing room 2 will be a life memory.

So many of those.

So many of those.

So many of those.

As you revealed on the Today Show, which, by the way, congratulations on another.

fantastic week with Jeff.

Always fun.

Thank you.

Always fun.

Yeah, as you revealed, Gaga,

the night of the special, reached out, was very proud of us.

And that is, that is a life memory for both of us.

Yeah, that was amazing.

She was like, you guys are incredible.

And also, you know who else loved the performance of Onawa's?

I think Diane Warren.

We heard that Diane Warren loved the performance.

So

we're very pleased.

We think

Diane certainly.

If she's available next year.

Might be a contention for a culture award.

By the way, shout out to, I got my vocal coach in there, Doug Peck, to work with us on the songs.

That's the number one man.

That's the number one man.

Doug Peck, you legend.

Thank you so much for working with us, for putting us in your schedule.

You are very in demand.

I think he really, he just

quantum leaped me into something that I didn't know I was able to do.

Can I just say,

putting this out there, yes, Leland and Gabe Lopez, Brett and Gabe did mix me a little bit.

I don't know about how much they did for for you.

Yours sounded very raw and clean.

Everyone gets a little mixed.

Everyone.

Everyone gets mixed.

I will say, people who maybe not were incredulous that I hit those high harmonies on Don't Want to Miss a Thing, that was me.

And that was me.

That was absolutely him.

We sang those songs live.

I'm sorry.

Listen, you might not want it to be true,

but it is true.

We did sing them live.

Well-known fact, well-established and documented that Matt Rodgers is a professional vocalist.

I think

I have an ear for harmony that I'm very proud of.

You have a great, I told Doug when we were rehearsing, I was like, Belwin has one of the best ears, which is why I'm confident he should be on the harmony because it's high.

Your voice is higher than you think.

And I was excited for you to learn about like, because it blew me away when I started working with the vocal coach about how you really can just allow the mic to do a lot of work.

You don't have to push just because something sounds big.

Right.

A lot of times that's just like technique and good, good mic technique.

But I was in my mix, like between my falsetto and my, like, my quote-unquote chest voice, um, which I guess is a gendered term, whatever.

I, that's why I'm putting quotes on it.

Oh, God, who cares?

It is, who cares?

But I uh was in my mix and I was like, I don't, I think this doesn't sound as strong as if I like gave it full chest.

And Doug was like, and both of you were like, no, keep it there, keep it right there on the cusp.

And then you're right.

Like, I'm listening to it back.

I'm like, oh, wait.

It sounds the same, right?

It's a game changer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, like, for anyone out there that's, you know, has an an interest in taking a voice lesson, I love it.

It's like therapy.

It makes you feel confident.

My, my highlight in college, I took one through Steinhardt to this wonderful, wonderful teacher, and she was, she was a slay.

And it was only, it was like a half a credit, but still, it was like half an hour each week.

I sang, um,

I sang Jesus Incorporated by Wilco.

And

she, and she really like, you know, she like didn't care about Wilco, but she like, really like sat down with me.

She's like, what do you think this song is about?

I was like, oh, God.

See, that's what it's the best, though.

See, I also did, at NYU Steinhardt, I did the same type of vocal credit as you.

And my vocal coach was like a younger guy, and he was a big snob at the time.

I don't know what his deal is now, but he was very, very...

He was sort of like very superior with me.

And like, it wasn't, it wasn't a great mix.

We actually got into a fight one time.

Just like me in a fight with my voice teacher, who was probably, I don't know, 18 months older than me and i think he was insecure about that sounds like you got the better teacher for you for me and i i brain farted it's not jesus incorporated jesus etc anyway jesus etc jesus incorporated his is llc his llc when he comes back one of these days he's gonna immediately start influencing build a brand on tick tock and then he's gonna have to incorporate and jesus incorporated llc

is kind of she

kind of yeah just make his name have some statistics about the winners so just to sort of go through, okay.

Um, the big winner of the Lost Cultural Essays Culture Awards was Lady Gaga with three wins.

Lady Gaga took album of the year for mayhem, record of the year for Abracadabra, and Social Change Moment of the Year for Gaga Chella.

Congrats, Gaga.

Um, Dylan Efron won two culture awards.

These are his first two culture awards: Best Picture, Literal Picture for having his butt in the air, as well as People Magazine's Sexiest Man Alive.

Welcome to the culture, Dylan.

Welcome.

The word never won best word to whisper and best word to scream, performed by Greta Teitelman, and an exemplary display of how you say those words, both screamed and whispered.

But both equally impactful.

Absolutely.

Congrats to Charlie XCX.

She continues to have a great time in her career.

She has won Best Note Ever Sung for some times.

And the Sweat Tour award for best indoor live performance went to the Brat Tour.

It actually beat out the sweat people.

So sorry, Troy.

You should come to the awards next time instead of being on a boat in the Balaric Islands.

So thank you for sending in the video.

Grief of the year and best thing we texted our high school friends about both went to White Lotus, a winner of two culture awards.

Congratulations to White Lotus.

Andy Cohen won the Father Award and Best Gay Guy Famous.

He returns to that winner's circle for that award from two years ago.

And

in terms of the major awards, Miss Piggy deservedly won Artist of the Millennium.

Gabby Windy, best new artist.

Audrey McDonald won the Teen that Turner Legend Award.

It was Seth Meyer's second year in a row taking home best five hands down.

And a lot of first-time culture awards winners.

Quinta Brunson, Lisa Rinna, Paige DeSorbo, Dr.

Orna Geralnik, Demi Moore, RuPaul, Benito Skinner, Megan Vahey, Toad from Mario, Sutton Foster, all now Culture Award winners.

I mean, name after name, I said.

Legends.

And maybe congratulate Jenna Bush Hager on her second win for the Today Show Excellence in the Morning Award.

Second year in a row, and as well as Angie Katsanevis won her second Individual Culture Award for a most iconic exchange of words.

As you mentioned earlier, last year she took home the Allison Williams Cool Girl Award, which was won by Paige this year, presented by a Diet Cook-clad Megan Stalter.

Yes, who unfortunately was not nominated.

But Angie also has a group award with the cast of the Real Households of Salt Lake City for the Best Reader, Writer Through Bitches Award.

And the Hags Award for abbreviated things to say.

So while those, you can't really attribute those to Angie, but Angie was definitely in the winner's circle alongside Lady Gaga.

Absolutely.

Yeah, it was a really big night for Angie and Gaga and Dylan and Andy and countless other people.

Countless other people.

I mean, this, this, and also, like, just to speak about, like, because we didn't talk too much about it, Paige DeSorbo probably turned her best look of all time at the awards.

God, that's a feeler and thing.

Gorgeous.

Lisa Rina wore scaparelli on the carpet

before wearing five of the outfits of the year.

This was a highlight for me.

I mean,

did she send you flowers?

I don't know if I've gotten flowers yet because I haven't been to my apartment in New York.

It's getting like fully renovated, painted, et cetera, right now.

But that's lovely.

She has been, we've been in contact.

We've been in contact.

And

look, don't hustle the hustler.

Lisa fucking

um just a wonderful night thank you sincerely so much for watching it means so much that you guys um even tuned in at all had people over to watch with you went to a bar however you watched it and especially if you're international we know they're a little bit there they're a little bit more roadblocks than that and depending on where you live uh it might still be hard to access um

we are we are doing our very best to um proliferate it as much as we can But hey,

I was talking about this to someone earlier this week.

Like, there is something delightful about the searching of it, which is not to like make your lives harder, but it's like I just was reminiscing on like going to borders, flipping through C D, slipping through books.

Like there's something about like the crate digging, which is, again, not to romanticize how inaccessible the show might be in your area.

It's just,

that's not so bad.

Is that making sense?

No, I also feel like

a lot of it taking place on social media ended up being, I just want to say one thing about Ben, which is, you know how they always say, like, it's an overused expression, but blank, blank, you will always be famous.

Like,

they tend to say that about someone who, like, no matter what, like media narrative happens, the ups and downs of really anyone's career that has longevity in this business.

Ben Platt, you will always be famous because no one can sing like that.

And it's very similar to like Kelly Clarkson, whereas like lots of ups and downs in her very long career in public life.

And by the way,

I just want to send, and I know Bowen as well, and I'm sure all of you, all

of our deepest condolences, love, and support to Kelly, whose ex-husband passed.

And this is, has to be an incredibly difficult time.

And they've asked for privacy.

So we will give that.

But I just want to send all my love to someone who works so hard and is such a great mom and such a hero to me and to so many people and i just my heart breaks for everyone in the family um i hope that

she feels a sense of peace in terms of the time that she did spend with him um

in the in the final months and uh a lot of things were moved around and i think that was hopefully that was for the best for everyone involved and uh we love you kelly we just love you so much and yeah but just

to speak about this, it's like, it's like, it's like, you know, anytime anyone in the media gets like a hard time and then comes back because they're just that fucking good.

And I've been loving seeing that narrative online of just being like, some of you like had fun ripping him up when you had the opportunity to, but the fact is, like, listen to this song, see this performance, watch him on this show, et cetera.

It's like he has proven it so many times.

The reasons he was like, i guess like quote unquote away or down or like

like narrativized a certain in a certain fashion were bullshit you know it's like they always are i mean like the zionism shit no that wasn't that's not even a thing that wasn't like

and then he and he came out and was very vocal about the opposite And so whatever.

And then

it's just like, there's, it just so happens.

It's just, this is the way Allison Williams, Cool Girl, says it.

It's just, she started on third base and most other people start at home plate.

And so like, and that's, and that's, and that's just how it is.

And it's not, it's not any one person's fault for like opting in if they have the drive, the interest, the talent, the work ethic, which I mean, you know, a lot of these people have.

Yeah, we're talking about someone who is one of the best singers on earth.

Like, it's, and it's not like he's also not an incredibly lovely and lovely person, so kind, so supportive of us, always like the best energy, best vibe ever, and is also an incredibly talented actor.

Yeah.

Like, so it's just kind of tired and boring to even like have done this in the first place.

But I guess I'm glad that everyone is

appreciating him for what it is because it's just it's just so dumb.

I just think it's worth calling out that like the reasons why he's being reappreciated are like built on like kind of silly things.

He is a link later film away from winning from e-gotting, from e-gotting.

That's like that's my thing is I'm like, it would be one thing to be like, yeah, sure, that person is Nepo, so they get work.

You don't just, you're not just like Nepo and then like keep getting opportunities and succeeding to literally the highest standard in your field again and again and again and again.

Like it's that's not how it works.

Like Nepo isn't an in the industry plan shit.

Like that's not a thing.

Because if the person keeps working, it's because people wanted to keep working with them.

I don't know.

Just like the surety that people have out there that they know how things work.

It's like, and I think it's really just because we have so much access to now everyone's opinions about everything and everyone's feedback to everything.

Of course.

That makes it feel a little bit overwhelming, but it's just like,

yeah,

this is exactly the way Ben Platt should be treated by audiences.

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We know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see.

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Speaking of feedback or forms of feedback, I do want to address, I posted this reel on Sunday

because this thing had been bugging me for a couple of days about the way that the Times changed a headline.

Yeah.

And I took it down because I was like, oh, wait, because it was people kind of, for the most part, understanding it, but a lot of people were like, don't give the haters any gas.

I don't think it's that.

This is something different.

This is me still, I think, rightfully being a little

annoyed at the way that shows like ours are covered.

And like, this is, this is not a knock on the writer because it's an editor, as far as I understand, especially at a place like the Times, who looks at.

the engagement on a certain article and goes, let's tweak this.

And the tweak was from the five moments from the culture awards to, can just anybody host an award show with a picture of us?

You have to click in.

So like the way this, this story gets embedded in SEO or on, you know, Facebook, let's say, or other platforms is they just see the headline, maybe the byline, but they don't see the subhead, which was, oh, but if you're as funny as Matt and Bowen, then yes.

But like, it's still, even with that compliment, I think it undercuts so many things.

Chiefly, the thing that bugs me the most is that this was 100 plus people working their asses off seven days a week to make this work.

Like we were, you know, Matt and I were fielding calls, solving problems at like 11 p.m.

on a Sunday or like 9 p.m.

on a Saturday, like

problem solving, writing, constantly throwing copy away, writing new stuff, shifting things around.

A million pieces were moving up until the day of the show, people dropping out.

Yeah, it was minimizing.

It was very diminishing.

And they, they didn't care about us enough to not traffic in this, whatever.

toe so it's not that i'm giving haters gas it's not that like no it's not that like i'm either of us are above this or shouldn't address this it's that like

it's also and i said this in the video it's like it's not groundbreaking that comedians would host an award show which we are we are we are i'm sorry at this point we're like in our mid-30s we've been doing this for a while i guess seasoned I said we have chops, dare I say.

And it's not a coup that an award show is entertaining all the way through.

There's no need to frame it.

There's no need to, no need to frame it this way of like, well, if, can can anybody off the street host an award show no no also you know that with my with my chest like fuck the new york times oh absolutely i mean this is the thing is it's like you're not it's not even call it's even giving the haters gas it's calling out the paper of record for reducing themselves to a clickbait headline i don't want to bring it to a place of like responding to critics because we don't have anything to prove literally at all truly nothing but you know it again like a a learning experience.

The life of a showgirl.

Anyway.

The life of a showgirl.

Is the title of this episode going to be The Life of a Show Girls?

Yes.

The Life of a Showgirls.

I like it.

With a capital S.

Of course.

With a capital L for us.

See, bow, I always say Taylor speaks to you exactly where you are in your life.

You know who also says this?

Who says this?

Katie Crutchfield.

She goes, I feel like my album releases through Roxahatchie have been very aligned with Taylor's Taylor's journey.

I mean, and I hope she still feels this way.

We'll have to touch base with her.

We'll have to touch base with Katie.

I sent you, I sent you something a little special that we've been wanting to read on the podcast.

So basically, just

as a background,

originally we were going to have all the, you know, at the end of a commercial on an award show, it says, coming up.

And then you hear the things that are going to happen after the break.

So originally, our idea was to have all of these be jokes and none of them be real because it was our opinion at the outset that like literally every single thing that happened in the culture award should be stupid and dumb and gay and fake and a joke.

We were convinced to,

and rightfully, to actually sort of, you know, say what was going to be happening in the show after the break because, you know, it's just better to keep people engaged that way.

And we did have such great talent involved.

But we do have a document in front of us, which are all of our coming up jokes.

And so I feel like Bowen and I will read them now.

Should we just rotate?

Let's just rotate.

And this is, by the way, like a collective

pulling together of jokes written by Matt, myself, Cudi Green, Celestia, and Frank Gillespie, and our wonderful writer's assistant, Kate Zasowski.

So this is from all of us.

So let's just read these.

Okay.

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Winona Ryder in the Christmas lights.

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Mariah Carey sprints 600 meters.

Che Diaz wins an Emmy for their Ernest Comedy Special.

Blackpink reunites to help each other pitch a big tent.

The original cast of CSI flops in an escape room.

Jack Schlossberg love bombs Matt and then dumps him for Bowen.

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Jessica Chastain kills Bin Laden.

Doula Peep.

Princess Peach makes out with Zelda in a win for the male gaze.

Anne Hathaway says, Kalma, Kalma.

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Rihanna is Smurfette.

Rachel Zegler's Avita bodyguard.

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Emmanuel Macron gets shoved by his wife.

Bowen and Matt play Pregnancy Roulette.

A young Hugh Grant.

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The Hoka Award for Best Nod Actor.

The cast of the Labooboo movie, which is rated R, by the way.

Tan France looks at a French tuck and goes, you know what?

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Patty LaBelle finally finds her background singers.

Five little shop seymores fight to the death.

Tate McRae teaches the sports car choreo to the baby from Allie McBeal.

Harry Daniels turns Blake Shelton's chair with Etta James's I'd Rather Go Blind.

An apology from the big bad wolf and he does have a ukulele.

We play squid game but gentle.

One of us will get the severance procedure live.

One of us Freaky Fridays with Nara Smith.

We lip-sync for our lives to the trilogy song.

A Furby comes back to life and no, it does not have batteries.

We get makeovers from Lisa Frank.

JK Rowling says something normal, JK.

Laura Dern tells us it's all going to be okay.

The Veggie Tales veggies reveal some nasty secrets.

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Those are our coming ups.

I mean, fabulous.

Those are really fun.

But the thing is, like...

Coming up next, Alison Bree and Dave Franco present the award for best Batman Woman, like, is one of those.

So they were works.

And it's the truth.

Our producer Lauren was like, I just think people might think adam driver would come out and throw a big chair and i was like that's fair that's really fair this already gives us a document i mean we can't do them now because we've already told everybody them but like this is like this actually i think an exercise for if we're lucky enough to do this next year is to start with the coming ups and then see how many we can actually do oh i love that that's our most guy just coming up

if you really want to see adam driver throw a big chair on the culture awards next year let us know online um we might be able to make it happen.

There's a lot of lead time now.

So it's not impossible.

As you know, we did a lot of stuff.

We did a lot of stuff.

It has to happen.

The Mariah Carey one made me think, I just, we haven't really talked about this.

MC 16, here for it all.

I do just want to say, I want both of us to really lock in here.

And I encourage the readers, Katie's Pulpas, and Spineless Kyles to do this as well.

Let us really cherish this time that Mariah Carey is back on an album cycle.

We don't know.

Like, we know this doesn't happen very often.

We don't know when the next time this will happen.

It's been a while since Caution.

And

I had spent the intervening years saying, when is Mariah Carey going to follow up Caution?

And now it's here.

And I just really want to point out the fun that we all had with her being informed that Katy Perry went to space.

Yeah, yeah.

Now,

if you catch Mariah in the right moment, she's going to give it to you.

No, and that interview has so many.

I mean, obviously the big line is, I think I've done enough, which is still

enough.

My favorite thing is, my two favorite things are, where'd she go?

To space.

All right, Katie.

All right, Katie.

All right, Katie.

I love that.

Supportive.

All right, Katie.

Wow.

I think that reminds me of our Blue Origin 2

moment.

That was also fun, going to space and all.

It felt like we were there.

When I was watching the opening package, I was like, oh, we're up in this.

Astronauts down.

Okay.

You saw weapons.

Y'all, I, you know what?

Can I tell you the thought that I had up until the halfway point of the movie?

I said, Matt can watch this.

This isn't so scary at all.

But then.

And then at the halfway point, if you know, you know, shit goes down.

A certain thing happens

to a gay couple.

Do you want to say spoiler alert and then sort of go off?

I'm not going to spoil.

Well, I feel it feels even, I know you will never see this movie, but it feels wrong to even spoil to you.

Because these are, these are really things that you are meant to experience in the experience of watching it.

What is it with gay couples catching strays in these horror movies?

Because didn't this also happen in it part two?

See, I didn't see it.

Okay, so I know for a fact a gay couple like really

got it in it part two.

This gay couple, it made me for the first time in a long, not since, ready, passion of the Christ.

Have I had to cover my eyes.

It was that bad.

Why the gays?

It's it's not because they're gay, it's just an incidental thing.

But I mean, all I'll say is, Amy Madigan, you legend for all time.

But this is just a wonderful ensemble line.

I know you talked to Julia Gardner.

Did you talk to Brolin too when he was on?

I did.

I talked to both of them.

They were on Today's show.

Wonderful.

What was Brolin's vibe?

I love him.

Hot.

I hate him.

I know.

I know.

He was great, very laid back.

And honestly,

yeah, really, really attractive in person.

Yeah.

I mean, but just wonderful man, wonderful actor, icon, legend.

But Julia is fantastic.

But like, you know, you don't spend too much time with one character in a way that really helps and really works.

The structure of it is so cool.

I mean, there's precedent for it.

It's very Magnolia, very Rashaman.

But I just want to point out Austin Abrams, fantastic in this.

Truly wonderful work.

And I think the most like poignant, quote unquote, poignant stretch in the film.

And I say this because I do want to point out, you know, we talked about this with Joel Kimbooster, like really nice and refreshing for a horror movie to not have an allegory.

Really nice, because there's been this thing in elevated horror, quote unquote, where it always has to map onto something.

I mean, you can make the argument that like this is about like school shootings.

So that's what I have heard.

I would not go so far as to say that.

It's just a, it's just a horror movie for horror's sake.

And sometimes that's enough.

Not all the dots have to be connected.

It's just a really bang for your buck, really entertaining movie.

And the last, I would say, what, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, just the ending of the movie are rapturous.

I was like, this is the most fun I've had in the movies in a very long time.

That's what everyone is saying.

Yeah.

And all I'll say is, I don't want to spoil anything, but the people who shot that, the group of people who shot that last scene must have had a blast.

You can tell that it was some fun days on set for everyone involved.

That's all I'll say.

I want to shout out Whitmer Thomas.

Whitmer Thomas

Who had fun with a fork in the film.

Goking.

He had fun with, well, a little too much fun, but he was just so good.

But when I saw him at first, I was like, is that Wit?

I was like, oh my God, that's Whitmer.

And then he just has a really lovely, he has really lovely scenes where he's just incredibly, you know, as an audience member, you are immediately invested in him as a character

in the time that you see him.

And then things turn and then you're like, well, fuck.

And then uh just a great movie and amy madigan i

people are people are there's a ground 12 support for amy madigan and you know i think did you ever see oh the movie she won an oscar for with gene hackman um or that she was nominated for uh twice in a lifetime i've never seen twice in a lifetime no i have to say i'm sort of um i have a little bit of a madigan blind spot are i think You and I maybe share this.

Our first introduction to Madigan was great.

Yeah.

Okay.

What was she on Grazin Enemy?

She was Meredith's therapist in season four.

Yes, she was Meredith's therapist.

Oh, my God.

That's how we know her.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

They have great scenes together.

I remember that.

They're really good.

Oh, wow.

And she sort of gets to go all the way off.

She gets to go all the way off in the most.

Indelible hairdos, whether it's wig, whether it's spoiler alert micro braids.

It's like, what the fuck am I seeing?

I heard it's giving like a new classic villain type.

I was watching a couple scenes with her and I was like, she's giving iconic cinema.

Like she's giving memorable cinema in these moments.

Like did you text me after and you were like, I really want you to see this, but I really don't think it would be a good idea.

I don't think you could handle it.

I mean, I think, well, how's that?

Can I put this forward?

How would it be if you watched a movie, a horror movie like this, that is gruesome, but by the end has this like cathartic release moment.

I've

done it before.

It's just about, you know what?

Let me figure out my anxiety and then we'll get back.

I'll have a meeting with a psych this weekend.

I mean, this week.

So, you know what I mean?

Let's, let's maybe, let's maybe get me on some

on some new tip and then we'll try to figure out how I can not internalize things that are happening on a screen and not in my life.

Um, I am pathetic.

I do know this.

No, no, no, that's this is not.

I don't even need to protest.

Like, it is.

No, no, no.

I should be able to watch this movie.

I mean, i i i i'm doing my best you know the substance was a big leap forward for me and i loved it as we all know i would not say that because you can clear that hurl that you can clear this and and joel was like if you watched hereditary you can but you didn't and i think this is a little bit it's even more just gruesome than hereditary to me in some moments but i just i just want to shout out i mean zach kreger he's two for two on these like really great innovative, I would say, horror movies with interesting structures, really interesting turns, whether it's in the middle of the film or, you know, a quarter of the way through.

And I just love that he's a comedy guy.

He's like, he's a snitch guy.

He's one of us.

And so really.

How many people know how to do horror?

I mean, like,

it is in the jeans.

It's, you know, tension release or whatever, not to be all hanagats be about it, but

I'm really exciting that he's doing the new Resident Evil.

He's doing those.

And

really, was it funny?

Was Weapons funny as well?

I think there are moments of true

humor.

It's not like a hard comedy, but there are moments of like, oh, that's really funny.

I mean, the ending is like, the ending has a lot of fun.

That's all I'll say.

Well,

you know, I ended up seeing the naked gun for a third time.

That was your third?

Yeah.

I've been meaning to see it multiple times too because the velocity of the jokes is that I'm like, I missed of 10 things.

So Greta and Abe wanted to go and I was just like, I'll go with you.

Because like, if there's, there was nothing, I didn't have anything to do.

And I was just like, oh, they're going.

I want to go again.

Like, it's one of those things

I'd be supporting.

Kind of a nice little moment for the box office i love it this is really good not for nothing but speaks to you know this idea that more moderately budgeted things can succeed you know what i mean like that i just hope i saw a rumor that like as a result of you know sinners and weapons and you know the success of these movies that are not attached to franchises that there might be a movement towards original stories with lower budgets like that would be incredible.

That would be amazing.

It would be such a

better use of money, time, talent.

How long was Weapons?

Two hours and five minutes.

I think.

And you, I think you can see sinners, Loki.

Oh, no, no, no.

I'm definitely seeing sinners.

I don't think it's.

I'm not, that's one, I just literally haven't done it yet, which is crazy.

Excellent, excellent.

And I will before I'm sure it, you know, becomes quite a big topic at the end of the year.

I think think so.

But speaking of, you said Austin Abrams.

I went to the concert of Gracie Abrams.

Yes.

I loved it.

I was there when she did her all too well cover.

Oh, my God.

I wonder if she knew.

I'm going to ask her.

If she knew.

I'm sure she was in the now.

Hmm.

I'm going to figure it out.

But honestly.

Like vocals incredible in concert.

Definitely the most beautiful woman alive.

I can't believe what she looks like on those screens.

I i was like looking at it like i was like breathless the whole time right and her fans

i was watching so many people have like formative core memories like even more than at the eras tour these girls were holding each other and sobbing it was so just like they love her so much like she's got that I think honestly, sky's the limit when it comes to, because it's the songwriting, right?

It's like you can see the girls like absolutely screaming these songs it means something to them right she's a great writer fantastic table

by this way yeah no i loved it i loved it i'm you know i i'm a i'm a gracie fan she's my pen pal we have yet to meet in person but we we have a lovely text relationship and gracie will come on the show gracie will come on the show she's a reader there you go finalist congratulations to finalist of the year by the way megan fahey yes megan fahey a finalist of the year winner and speaking of gracie um andre hobert's album is coming out uh this friday Before we go into I don't think so, honey,

I had one thing I wanted to say, which is the dog Matt Rogers was adopted.

Oh my God.

And he looks so happy.

He lives in Queens now.

He's happy.

It brings me such joy that that happened.

God, this week, full of great narratives.

Love that.

At least in some regard.

Yeah.

You know, one of those little things that just made you happy in a sea of otherwise dark things.

Truly, truly, truly.

Matt, we hope you're just having a great time at Corona Park and flushing or whatever.

Just you're living your best queens life.

Well, the queens, don't sleep on queens, y'all.

Don't sleep on queens.

We'll be there soon.

Will we?

The open.

We'll be at the US Open.

Oh, we're going to go to the Open, yes.

What day?

Well, we'll talk about what day you're going.

We'll talk.

Yeah.

Yeah, we'll talk.

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Okay, you ready for I don't think so, honey?

I am.

Okay, this is I don't think so, honey.

This is the one-minute segment of our podcast where we take 60 seconds, exactly one minute, as it were, to rail and more against something in culture that we need to address down.

I have something.

Okay, this is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

No more kind judging on reality shows.

Law Roach has come back to Project Runway and showed us all what we've been missing, which is truthful, harsh judging.

The stakes are back when it comes to assessing reality show contestants.

And you know what?

It's been time.

I have to say, Law Roach, we appreciate you coming to the Culture Awards, presenting Alpha of the Year to Lisa Rinna for whatever the fuck she wants to wear.

But what really,

really,

really has won me over again with you, because you speak for yourself, like your reputation proceeds.

Then you come to the show are lovely and delightful.

And then I turn on Project Runway because I want to have a good time.

And I didn't even know I was going to have have a spectacular time

because of the way you are tearing these people up.

And also shout out to the casting this year on Project Runway.

Not only do we have Utica Queen, but we've got some big personalities that are getting into it with Law.

And game has met game.

I'm loving this.

I don't think so, honey, that it can ever go back to the way it was.

La Roach forever.

I love this.

Thank you for pointing this out because I think this is a shared thing.

Like we are all very thrilled about this.

I've been meaning to watch the season.

It's good.

And also just like, so the way the first episode of the season ends, by the way, Heidi Klum is back.

And so it's like they're all judging.

It's Heidi, Nina, Law Roach, and Christian, which is like, feels perfect.

All stars.

Yeah.

And so they go, all right.

So we have our tops and our bottoms.

But there was a lot of discussion and there was a debate about it.

So then you come to understand that Law is on completely different pages than everyone else.

Like there was someone who was filling at the top and he was like, I can't stand this look.

I hate this.

It's this, that, that, that, that, that.

And I'm just like, wow.

Like, without reservation, Law is giving his take.

And, like, you did see it on

legendary top model.

Yeah.

And you saw it back in the day on top model when he actually went too far.

But now it's perfect because he's Law Roach.

Like, now he's a part of the cultural fabric.

And it's just like, I'm sorry, but

it will be hard to argue with anything he says because he is the one.

And I really just also want to point out OMG fashion.

He gives

so fun quick.

I mean, this is what, his like sixth reality show competition, this man, this man knows what he's doing.

He shows up and does the gig and he does it true to him and it is true super stardom.

Like I don't think I've seen a reality show judge like pop and be this compelling and the show be about them since like and I'm not arguing that this holds up but like the very early days of simon cowell you know and it's not like that he's not cruel for cruel sake on project runway but it is just like no no no i'm not it's not going to be smiles and rainbows like you're here to compete on the olympics of drag

for fashion and i'm going to give it to you i mean the thing with simon is that it soured kind of quickly with law it's been going on for at least like seven years now since he's been on reality shows.

And then, like, that compounded with all the styling work he's done.

It's like, okay, like he, he's an image architect, as he says.

Yes.

It's surely having an impact in the world in real time in that industry.

Whereas like Simon, unfortunately, like clowned himself too many times.

Simon is on the record as saying that Beyonce can't sing and isn't pretty.

Like, that's hard to come back from if you're like a talent show judge.

You can't say that at one point and then be like, yeah, I'm someone to be listened to.

Like he had to go like, you know, America's got talent.

I'm smiling the whole time.

I'm actually standing up and clapping.

I'm even dancing in my seat because, you know,

he, he kind of just, it kind of got invalidated.

Yeah, totally.

Well, thank you for sharing that.

I've got something.

Here we go.

This.

Everyone is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, Letterboxed unlisting the culture awards and, you know, not letting that be a place for some wonderful feedback to live.

I mean, I'm sure that you have the reasons why I'm not actually going after Letterboxd.

We love you.

But come on.

For a while there, our bar graph on the stars, we were up in the fives in a way that I have not seen in a long time.

But then I think at some point, you know what?

There's just been some existential confusion.

Peacock put us on as a TV show first, and then we're on as a movie.

Letterboxd puts us on Letterboxd, then they take us down.

You know what?

I love it.

Y'all don't know what to do with us.

Keep guessing, mama.

But I just liked that little moment where people got to go on Letterboxd and

give their honest opinions about the culture wars because people are nothing if not honest on Letterboxd, as we all know.

But, you know, anyway, I guess.

Let's have a platform for award shows as we review these things.

Anyway, Letterboxd.

Come on, put us back.

And that's one minute.

Yeah,

they didn't know what to call us.

We were in a TV show.

We were a movie.

We were on Letterbox.

We weren't.

We're really just a comedy special, which I think ultimately would fall under TV.

But I'm not going to argue with Peacock.

We thank Peacock.

We always think Peacock.

Oh, no, no, that's not what I'm doing here.

I'm just going, you know,

we defy categorization.

Because what was it?

I love that question.

Just to wait, what I'm realizing is one thing we missed talking about in our like little recap there and

this is not to say that every single person we're not indebted to for coming thank you thank you but i wanted to shout out two people in particular which is jensen mcrae and remy wolf oh like i have loved both of those songs like

for a long time and especially with jensen

Just that moment in the show, I'm just so proud that that's there.

And Remy brought so much energy and fun.

And the live vocal was so sick.

They both were amazing.

So good.

Just that we were a platform where talent like that could be displayed.

And, you know, just also Holden, Jensen's brother who came and accompanied her on that gorgeous song.

Like, you really should be streaming her whole album, everybody.

I mean, it's so good.

I've been a Remy fan since.

2021 and I told her this was like since the jump, like photo ID.

I was like, who the fuck is this person?

I've loved her for a very long time.

I'm so happy she's getting more success.

Especially with her album

with big ideas being a year old.

I was like, this, this has, this still has life in it.

I'm still listening.

I'm still spinning this.

Like it is a really, really amazing album.

The best.

I mean, like, she's incredibly gifted, as is Jensen, as is Ben, as is Lucy, everyone that performed on the show.

I mean, that was

very special.

I just can't believe it even happened.

And you can still stream it on Peacock, you know, because, like I said, it is a comedy special and not an actual award show.

Exactly.

Hopefully there's more clarity on what this is for people

in the incoming years for just for everybody involved, for people who want to come to the show, people who want to watch the show, people who want to do the show, and their publicists therein.

But

next week, we'll probably have...

Tons to catch up on about the tailor of it all.

Maybe we'll even have a new song.

Life of a Showgirls.

The Life of a Showgirls.

Well, and we're going to be in P-Town.

We'll be in P-Town.

I know we're going to.

Yeah.

We'll bring our mics.

We'll bring our mics.

Yes, I will do that.

We'll have another chaotic P-Town episode, maybe even with a new Taylor single.

Wow, that she released it just in time for Carnival.

She knew.

We're going to do Taylor Tub.

Taylor Tub.

Oh, I love Taylor Tubb.

Was it Taylor Tub was for people who we might not have mentioned it on the pod?

It was four hours of us being stoned out of our gourds in a hot tub on Fire Island, just playing four hours of Taylor music.

Honestly,

in our

truest form, really.

Yeah, truly.

We end every episode with a song.

I don't want to live without you.

Oh,

oh, oh, oh.

I don't wanna live with them without

listen to that song.

Listen, watch the culture awards.

Bye.

Bye.

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All right, real talk.

Paradise isn't some far-off beach.

You don't need a plane ticket or a tropical getaway.

Sometimes it's just hanging out in your freezer with Bubbies.

mochi ice cream.

Creamy, premium ice cream wrapped in soft, chewy mochi.

Each one is perfectly portioned and made for easy snacking.

Now in compostable paper pulp trays because snacking sustainably is a power move and yes, it actually makes a difference.

The new raspberry cheese kicking dragon fruit lemonade flavors absolute fire.

Bright, refreshing, and the kind of flavors that make you stop mid-bite like, wait, this is incredible.

Can't forget the classic mochi flavors either.

Green tea, strawberry, and pistachio, just to name a few.

And the mini ice cream cookie sandwiches, also snack size perfection.

Creamy, rich ice cream finished with golden cookies and standout flavors that leave your basic ice cream sandwiches in the dust.

Every bite tastes like summer.

Nostalgic, sweet, and exactly what you were craving after a long day.

Let's be honest.

Anytime.

Find Bubbies at Sprouts, Whole Foods, Safeway, or Albertson's, or get $2 off at bubbiesicecream.com/slash culturistas.

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