“Treasures Untold” (w/ Matt + Bowen)

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oh i see my i oh my bow and look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow las culturistas

Ding dong, Las Culturistas call.

I really just watched your fingers on the countdown.

And don't you do that every time?

I was really like intent on watching the finger countdown because you know BTS, everybody, Bowen Yang famously, every single episode counts three, two, and one with his fingers.

But this time time I was just like really focused on it.

Hypnotic philanthropy.

The eye of the dog.

The eye of the dog.

Speaking of, we are recording this on Matt's first day back in the hallowed halls of 30 Rock at the Today Show.

I was at the Today Show today.

We're recording this on Monday, and we really didn't get into it last week.

We just kind of said there was a thing with dogs, but

this is what's been happening.

So

badass,

what are they doing?

Badass Animal Rescue.

Badass Animal Rescue, this amazing company that's like fostering dogs and helping them get fostered, helping them get adopted in Brooklyn, has named two dogs, Boen Yang and Matt Rogers.

Wow.

And they are angelic.

Yes.

And it is.

Truly, every whenever they post, I feel I have to repost because we have to get these dogs home.

I know, no.

And they're just angels.

They're from Alabama.

Yeah, they're rescued from Alabama.

So this company, Badass, they hire dogs from high-kill shelters and, you know, bad situations.

Did I say that they hire them?

They, I respect them.

They respect them.

If I said they hire them, what they do is they hire the dogs.

No, no.

No, and so there's a Bo and Yang and a Matt Rogers, a husky mix.

That's Bo and Yang.

Then there's a hound mix that's Matt Rogers.

And they brought Matt Rogers, the dog, to the Today Show Today and surprised me.

He was such a good boy.

I do think you need to think about it.

Not to pressure you on Mike.

No, I'm thinking about it.

Because then there was another one you loved.

Dabby Wendy.

Explain her.

She is a feist.

She has perky little ears, gorgeous, wide-set eyes.

It's giving Dabby.

It's giving Emma Stone.

It's giving, you know, Hannah Taylor joy.

Wow, a beautiful ingenue.

No, she is an ingenue.

And look, no dibs, anyone in Brooklyn or who wants to come pick these dogs up from Brooklyn.

Please, just, just

give these dogs forever homes.

All I want is for them to get adopted, but I will say I told them someone just cracked open their

beverage.

Their refresco, as it were.

One of the best words for refreshments, refresco.

Spanish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I deeply want these dogs to just be adopted, but I will say I knew it was going to be dangerous.

I laid eyes on that dog and I was like, oh, you have to be in my life.

You have to be in my life.

So I think I would like to be the dog's godfather

i would have to rename him you couldn't have a dog named matt rogers you don't i don't think so what about junior

what about hey junior well speaking of junior we have to talk about a play in which this figures heavily into

y'all y'all okay hold on he's maybe some of the best play i one of my favorite plays i've ever seen yeah we're talking about purpose purpose and more to say about lost coach figuring into that lore as well oh yes because we got it confirmed we got it confirmed see but i was also but even like today i was talking to someone who had seen and and he was like i mean that's you guys like they're whatever there's a reference to um what's the line the line is she was talking about two gay two intense gay she was listening to a podcast she listened to 50 hours of two intense

what is it two really intense gay guys who are really invested in pop culture yeah and so you know it is us becausenier our producer, went to the show, went backstage and met up with met with Brandon Jacobs Jenkins, the phenomenal playwright of this show.

Amazing.

And apparently, anecdotally, he has confirmed it.

He confirmed it.

So we knew we had to see the show and we are so late on this one.

Oh, we're so late.

By the way, we're sort of burying the lead here.

We are going to talk about the culture awards, which are now out.

Thank you for watching it.

If you did, if you haven't, you can stream it right now on Peacock, which feels crazy.

Crazy.

But Bone and I were able to watch it together and we love it.

And

You can watch it now.

And so we're going to talk about it at the end.

So if you haven't watched it, no spoilers.

We are respecting that backloading so that you guys can tap out and watch if you haven't already.

We went to go see Purpose Finally.

Well, I guess the Tony winning best play this year by Brandon Winter.

Jacob Jenkins.

Yes.

Directed by Alicia Rashad.

Yes.

And I really didn't know what to expect.

I think that was the way to go in.

Obviously knew about the accolades, but I was like, I don't know what this is going to be and was

really blown away.

I mean, it was delighted.

It was, it started, it started off with like genuine curiosity.

And then once everything gets established, there's a lot of really important setup that happens in the first, I would say, hour or so of the show, right?

And then, God, it really all just pays off.

Yeah, it's just like painting this gorgeous painting and then watching the painting destroy itself.

That it's really, I mean, it's, I think it's loosely based on Reverend Jesse Jackson's family.

What the this family is called the Jaspers.

And it's just about like this incredibly important,

prominent black family in politics and religion and the sort of esteem they hold in their community and how that esteem is dealt with on the inside while having to project so much to the outside world.

And every member of the family is dealing with some different strife in relation to their role in the family or their, you know, position in their lives.

And it like you were saying when we left, like, it's doing a lot.

It's expansive.

It all takes place in one, in one sort of set piece.

Yeah.

But just the living room of this home.

The living room of this home, but it covers

so much ground

in terms of, as you mentioned, civil rights and religion and like sexuality and fertility and like neurodivergence and all of these things that like somehow it it never gets bogged down by.

Yeah.

Also like misogyny within family structures in many different ways.

It just took me back to family period.

I was thinking about my family the entire time, which, you know, not to center like an Asian experience onto a black one, but it was just like the way this is nailing family is crazy in a way that even like made me think I said to you, I was like, God, like when I first, when the show first started, I was like, okay, this is like the felicia thing makes total sense.

Like it's, it, it has that sort of air of like that kind of comfort and like that family interest that like she's, she's obviously known for, but it's like, it completely gets flipped on its head in a crazy way.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's really one of those things where it's like, pretty much every moment is compelling and it's a, it's a constant build, which is hard to do.

And it started, it started with a really long monologue by the main character.

And I was sitting there and I was like, okay, is this going to be a monologue driven show?

Like they're telling hard to sustain

attention, but it was

really just a testament to just how thick and how dynamic the situation between these characters are that like, yes, of course we did have that, you know, monologue set up, but then the scenes just sang.

Like really funny, really smart, really surprising.

I didn't think I knew where it was going at any given moment.

And there are a number of Chekhov's guns that do literally go off, but it's almost like really fascinating to watch a play know that's exactly what it's doing.

It's a very smart, very contemporary play.

And he also wrote Appropriate with Sarah Paulson, if you guys saw that a couple seasons ago.

But I think one of the one of my favorite things about it was,

I said this to you afterwards: two shows actually that we've seen in the past weekend, you've seen, but I've seen before, use this thing to maximum effect.

And that is a staircase.

There is a staircase in purpose that several different characters, when they've just had it, like on the first floor of the scene, sort of ascend the staircase and like give it to the rest of the characters.

Like it feels very dramatic.

And of course, in Death Becomes Her, the staircase scene from the movie is recreated.

And I know you just saw that and probably have a ton to say.

Yes.

But don't sleep on the staircase as a set piece.

no it is drama and it's actually rule of culture number 10 don't sleep on a staircase as a set piece it is drama i remember one of my formative theater experiences was seeing the smoky hill high school production of hello dolly the year the year before i would end up going to that high school and when you know a staircase is used to great effect in many in many iterations of that show but just on the tetral number of hello dolly if you have if dolly levi comes out on a staircase

that's that's all you need to do jumping for joy the the rest of the show can be dog shit

and i'm happy if i see a woman as dolly levi doesn't have to be doesn't have to look age appropriate she can she can be in high school she can be 95 years old as you know carol channing was in and in and in in a production But, God, it's staircases and theater.

Huge.

It is major.

And don't think I haven't noticed that staircase over in the West End, Evida.

Yeah, at least at the end of the show, there's a staircase.

And of course, we're playing with levels there because Zegler is up on the balcony giving what they're saying is one of the best performances in recent memory, which this is crazy because they just said that and were right about Jamie Lloyd's last work.

So he continues to crush.

I am really holding myself down in my chair to not fly to the West End and go see it there first because I'm just going to pray and hope that they get it together.

But I need to see that performance.

I need to see that number.

I need to see those screens.

I need to see that staircase and balcony work

come to Broadway.

Staircases are very important.

Staircases are very important.

We might have to do something with that.

Yeah.

What do we do?

I think TKTK.

The next Las Culturistas Culture Award.

Should have a staircase.

We'll have a staircase.

We did have stairs.

We did.

Great stairs.

I got to utilize the stairs and you kind of did for a second.

I went down very quickly.

I think we should have one on stage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that will be a huge expenditure, but I feel that it will be worth it.

I would agree.

I would agree.

So I just want to, before we wrap up talking about purpose, I just want to shout out Alana Arenas.

Alana Arenas, because we said she played Morgan in the movie, who's the

wife of the sort of disgraced eldest son.

And did you know this?

So all of the actors got 20 nominations except for her.

Really?

And I said to myself, now this is why she needs extra mention on Lost Coach because we were living for the whole cast.

But especially for Elon.

She was ferocious.

Well, from the first moment, because

they really you like the way she's written and revealed, like there's a slow drip of her, and it's a powder keg, whatever, whatever mixing metaphors, but she really,

really pops for us, popped for us.

I guess.

It was our show.

But by the way, we have to talk about that audience.

Oh, yeah.

Is this part of your I don't think Sony later?

See, it's not, but because

I need a more measured way to pop off about this.

This is the floor.

So anyway, like these actors are tearing it up.

And what, yeah,

we just have to shout out Alana still before I listen.

I'm so sorry.

Oh, 100%.

Let me, let me put a little comma on that.

No, literally

shouting her out to the high heavens.

And I'll tell you who else was shouting out from the audience was the audience.

Was the audience.

A very engaged audience, which we love.

No, we loved.

Here's the thing about the audience.

It was a mixture of like such an active crowd, people really reacting to everything.

Really fun to be there.

And some of the most disrespectful people,

I turn around and it's finally six cell phones going off.

Six cell phones going off, one in our row.

I have to say.

You need to turn your phone off and turn that shit off.

I get that maybe everyone that we're talking to right now might not be the target audience for this because I think it was elderly.

It's older people.

You need to reach out to the people in your life that are going to these shows and letting you know they're going and just make sure they've got their phones off because it's crazy.

They had Felicia Rashad herself.

Getting on the God mic.

Like in a taped video that was like, please turn off the phones.

They weren't even allowing snacks into this theater because of noise concerns.

Like they were really going the extra mile.

And these people are so disrespectful.

And if you are sick, do not go to a live theatrical event if you were sick.

Hacking up coughing.

Hacking up alveoli.

Oh my God.

Turning these lungs inside and out.

And I said this to you.

Really, really come after me.

Obviously, this is not the right take.

What's going on?

But it's like.

If you know for a fact that you have a coughing problem on the day,

I think

it's worth considering maybe not going to the theater.

Retire the side.

You do not have to go.

If you're hacking up coughing, seriously, I bet even if you called, I actually wonder about this.

I wonder if you called the theater and you were like, I am infirm.

Yes.

I am unable to

make it to the performance because I will be a distraction and it's it's not a safe atmosphere.

Can I get my refund and or re or you know, can I reschedule, et cetera?

Would they not do that?

I feel like they would, unless we really have like had such a crazy amnesia about COVID that like, that's just, that would be so unconscionable to the theaters.

I really hope that there's something in place.

Anyway, this is all to say like a lot of coughing.

A lot of coughing.

So much.

And I'm not even being like, no, we were, we were in shock.

We were, it was like every two seconds, someone was cartoonishly coughing.

Because the thing about the cough is it's like, okay, I'm a little bit more lenient with that because it's like, I mean, the seats are tight.

Sometimes you might think it's like you're making a whole fuss trying to get out of the seat, whatever.

Like, you know, I have a little bit more grace for that.

The cell phones, I have no grace for the cell phones.

I have zero grace for them.

Because these people are on stage giving it everything.

Like, and you are, and it's, it's always like a ring-a-ding-ding, whack-a-doodle, whack-a-doodle-time ringtone.

It's whack-a-doodle, ringtone with

a whack-a-doodle person.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, people are like,

I turned to look at some of these people and I was like, of course.

I'm sorry.

No, yeah, it was very, of course, vibes because it was what?

The oldest, whitest people in America coming to this play and acting disrespectful.

It was crazy.

The irony there is

ironic.

It was just so uncomfortable and disrespectful.

And it happened, I'm telling you, six times.

Six times.

It was the most I'd ever seen.

I was like, but it's the year of our Lord 2025.

This is the Tony Award winner for best play.

You couldn't even bring a snack in because of the

concerns.

And thank you for validating this because I felt like I was going crazy.

It was actually one of those rare moments where I was like, oh, wow, this is something actionable that I can be upset about.

And my upset will perhaps.

affect things for the better.

And you were really flustered.

And I was like, I just know we're going to make this part of our whole thing going forward.

Yes.

Me at the sign off of everything, turn off the phones in the theater.

Turn off the phones.

Yeah.

This is cuckoo.

Just do not disturb.

Don't even airplane mode.

Silent has existed for

18 years on the album.

It can't be on vibrate even during the show.

It has to be, you have to ignore the warning and keep it on the volume.

Human beings don't deserve technology as we are seeing.

Right.

Especially as it gets more advanced.

We do need it taken away.

What say you about them being like kids can't have phones until they're 16?

I say do it.

Totally agree.

Do it.

I mean, but there's, it's really hard as a parent.

I must sympathize as a parent.

I'm sure it's so hard to draw that to

enforce the day they did it before.

The parents of today would say, but it's just so part of our world now that like for kids to like shield and deny kids of that up until they're 16 while like from a very from the age of four they're every screen is being shoved in front of their faces it's like how do you how do you deny that look i i i'm i'm not saying it's going to be an easy thing to do.

And then maybe this is bordering on me, you know, you know, performing my least favorite expression, which is devil's advocate.

But like, if the problem is that it's such a fixture in our world, then like you, you, you have to start like

and regulating that from an early age so that like these, you know, little people, when they become big people, don't like need it and require it.

Again, I'm on record here being like, I'll never be a parent.

I don't see it for myself.

I don't think it would be, it would work for me.

So whatever is working for you, but you know, it's another reason.

It's their attention spans are really zap.

Right.

I can't like, it's like a chicken or the egg things for me where I'm just like, well, I don't want kids for this reason because it's like, I'm, I'm going to bring someone into the world whose brain is going to be liquid by the time they're

eight years old.

You know what I mean?

Because of like, yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's already happening happening to people who are fully grown.

Yeah.

So I'm like, no way, I'm not going to to be responsible for an extent for like an extension of myself out in the world acting that way and so and this is a lot about what purpose is about it actually to be honest with you it's like it's like i because it is about like purpose and legacy yes it's like you create something in your legacy and then you see it when it's become a realized thing and you're like holy fucking shit can't you say that can't be my fault that can't be my fault and yet it got me thinking though i was like my purpose the meaning that i draw from in my life is the thing that i think is the most direct panacea to despair, which is connection and community.

I don't think you necessarily have to have a child or, you know, have to like check off any boxes besides just like connecting with someone.

And I was like, my best friend is sitting right next to me and my purpose is just like our friendship and just trying to like.

radiate that outward to people and have them be a part of that.

That's my purpose.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

It is kind of interesting to see something that's like, you know, about family and like anyone that is in a family or even a chosen family, I guess, like not really.

This is really about the blood ties that bind and how that can be restricting, even if it feels elevating to everyone else.

But it was interesting to watch a piece that like kind of was like arguing anti-family.

And yet.

they this is an example of a family that you know because of power and influence like is so able to have each other's backs in this way that

you know, maybe in the short term is helping them, but certainly in the long term is damaging their souls.

Right.

On that point, exactly.

Like, I think this is why we're shouting at Alana Arena specifically, because that character does so much of the sort of clarifying work in the show in terms of like, wow, this family is really, really fucked up in terms of how it deals with outside people.

Yeah.

And she just has a great scene in the second act in the middle of the night.

That's all we'll say.

Yeah.

She does have it, she does have a line where that I think we both loved, which was,

I'm about to eat this here cake.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Yes.

At the same time, hilarious.

Devastating.

Devastating too.

Yeah.

Her first line was, hello, whatever.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah.

She's just, she's got.

She was phenomenal.

We really are.

We're fans.

We're huge fans.

We're fans.

And also, shout out to Carrie Young, who won the Tony Award for this, who is her second Tony Award right in a row.

She's been nominated in this category several times and like an icon.

And we are very proud that you gave a performance as a reader.

Yes.

I turned her mad and I go, the fact that this character is a major reader.

A finalist, even.

She's a reader because the character is not a spoiler alert.

She's a social worker.

She does, she's involved in social work and she's very just, you know, aware of her community and politics and everything.

Very much a reader.

Yeah.

I think definitely fits the bill.

If people want to know what a reader is, you got to go see purpose.

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So if you have a chance to see it before then, please.

Yeah, now's the time.

And hopefully, you know, it tours and has a life beyond this.

I think it would be really worthwhile for people to read.

It's just one of those like really great new works.

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you finally saw death becomes her this weekend so long overdue i mean i'd heard for months and months and months like this is your kind of show i'm like i know i really totally know and i even saw paul like

after the tonies and i was like paul i haven't seen it i'm so

who did the costumes for wicked and death becomes death becomes her and a phenomenal job in both.

I mean, every single person on that stage looks amazing, just like in Wicked.

I'm like, oh, same, same person.

Not a single, like, yeah, very detailed and just gorgeous down to the detail.

And he, like, he's so good at like making people stand out in very character-specific ways, but also he's good at like,

he says, like, he's good at.

peopling, you know, the space, like with odd, with wicked, like he does that in every, like, Shiz, Emerald City, wherever, Munchkin Land.

So good at that.

Of, of like this is a group of people and how does that look and whatever i wonder if he sits in on auditions for oh

because you're kind of like when someone like paul is involved i would imagine that it's almost like you're kind of looking at like not only dancers but also models for your creations and like i really wonder about that process because he's such a huge part of why these things are as successful like i wonder how creatively and producerially involved he is i'm sure very because i'm because i'm because i'm like yeah like i'm referencing like the fact that like everybody on that stage, just just everybody in that company looks phenomenal.

Michael Griseppa.

Yeah, Michael Grisepa, you might know from Fire Island.

We've known him for years.

He's like one of the Broadway boys.

So wonderful.

He's fabulous in the show.

Fabulous.

He looks hot as shit.

Of course.

And oh my God, just there's nothing I love more than comedy.

Yeah.

It's so funny.

It's just so fun.

And when it's when something is funny in that way, I just go, oh, thank God.

Yep.

I feel like I've like gotten cynical over the years, just like doing the being lucky enough to do the jobs that we do where we really have to like buckle down and like think about and pick apart comedy in a way that like doesn't take the fun out of it, but just makes you like take it seriously, which is like what you have to do sometimes.

But sometimes you realize that it's just about like.

The guttural sensation of, ha, that, the, the, the surprise element of, wow, didn't see that coming.

And sometimes it's a lot easier to see things coming when things are relying on playing emotional beats.

Yes.

And so something like Death Becomes Her or something else that we saw, I want you to just keep talking about Death Becomes Her.

This is moving into, I think, a bigger conversation, which is where comedy is at and where maybe it should go.

And I think we are firmly in camp movement towards dumb.

I mean, if you watched the Culture Awards last night or are going to stream it today, you'll see that we are proud to be part of the movement towards stupid bullshit.

Yes.

And Death Becomes Her is that.

Absolutely.

And I went.

And also being like incredibly well done and executed, but it's also like, you know, they take a potion and they, you know, Death Becomes Her.

But it lives alongside like a Paul Tazwell, like

highly elevated departments.

Yes.

Like it lives alongside Paul Tazwell.

It lives alongside Christopher Gatelli directing this.

Like everybody is at the top of their game.

Chris Sieber, I thought was amazing.

No, he was so good.

I loved his number.

Jennifer samard

megan hilty yeah some like our two funniest motherfuckers yeah that was crazy i mean like just the duet that's happening on stage between them the whole time to speak to say nothing of the songs that they actually do share which are so great but they are so perfect in this and I know we've been fans of both of them for such a long time, but you know, even in that like crazy ass, like best actress in a musical Tony race, like I was like, you know, part of me is not going to be upset at all if one of them just sneaks from behind and takes it because...

I mean, that was a stacked.

This is a stacked.

It was.

It was truly stacked.

Truly.

Like, Nicole, Audra, Megan,

and Jennifer.

And then Ms.

Jasmine Amy Ross.

And of course, I've been together.

To be honest with you, like, could have been the best.

Of course.

It was five great nominees.

Yeah.

Samard, like, just like how confident you have to be to, like, of course, be performing out on a Broadway stage, but also throwing it away.

And in contrast to the bombast that is Megan Hilty, who, by the way,

reputation like precedes her in many ways and still blows it away.

I know.

Still blows it away.

You know, I wonder how she feels about this because I think it's so fucking cool and I think it's very aspirational and I wish like more actors could be identified this way.

So many of the things that she's done, two-handers.

Yep.

Like between Wicked and Smash and this and like, and of course she has a huge array of other work that is singular and

it showcases her but i i think that's so amazing that she she's so comfortable sharing the bill in the space with another actor who's on the like horizontal to like lateral in terms of that kind of whatever positioning it's like i i respect the fuck out of that yeah absolutely i mean she i think i you probably first became aware of her when i did which was as like a young gay boy youtubing glinda yes and then like seeing what she was capable of then and it felt like when she booked Smash when we were, I guess, like in college,

it kind of felt like I remember like reaching back to my younger gay self and being like, oh my God, Megan Hilty is on a big television show.

Like, we won.

We're kicking ass.

And then, even on that show, she was so fucking good, but so underappreciated.

I know.

Like, Ivy.

In terms of like giving a performance in a musical show, like, no one was doing it like that.

No.

And also, not that anyone was getting opportunities to do it like that, but nobody

could do it like that.

There was a few numbers that she did on that show.

One called Let's Be Bad.

Let's Be Bad.

Which also was then in Some Like It Hot, the musical.

Yes, yes, yes.

But she crushed that.

All the big musical theater set pieces, she always crushed.

And in Death Becomes Her, like, there's that scene where she first, like, kind of realizes that he's moved on and she's old.

Right, right.

I'm like, just like the way she was tearing it up and belting to God.

Like, but the whole thing was so stupid.

I was like, is this what made me want to do comedy in the first place?

I think kind of.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like that sort of stupid, gay, over-the-top, very knowing.

You know what I mean?

Right on the nose, but like deliciously so.

But it hits the same nerve as like a Jenna Maroney.

Like there's something like gay men go crazy for that.

You know what I mean?

And she

totally, totally does that.

20th century fox mambo.

That's also.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20th century fox mambo.

Yep, I remember the whole thing.

So good.

But then Smash was also so dumb sometimes.

Remember when they'd even

sing cheers, I'll drink to that in Times Square?

I do.

Like, it was like the two characters like hated each other.

Hated.

And they were like, well, I guess we're just...

out in New York tonight.

And then they went and sang cheers, drink to that by Rihanna.

Because this show, lest we forget, was airing at the same time as Glee.

And so like, they were like,

it was all over the place.

I'm sure in the Raiders where they were like, what the fuck do we do?

Yeah, what are we?

Do we just do the, can we just try the glee thing and see if that works?

Even though, even though it makes no fucking sound, like sing just like a pop cover.

Can you imagine getting the scripts?

I'm like, they're really working hard.

I'm like, we're building our dynamic.

It's really tense.

We both want this job.

And they flip the page and it's like, oh, in this scene, we get rum drunk in Times Square.

And we are singing Rihanna cheers, drink to that.

Like, like, okay.

Let's just try.

I mean, that's network.

That is network TV, baby.

I love it from a different era.

And

God bless.

Bring it back.

Bring it back.

But I, but, but I went to go see it with Gina Gershon.

Yes.

We had a long, lovely night together.

And also there at that night, we got to go say hi backstage, Jinx Monsoon and Jen Harris, this the weekend before their last girls date before.

This is tonight.

Tonight's the first night of their Amir.

They were like, Camille's amazing.

Michael Urey's amazing.

Of course.

Like, it's a great, I can't wait to see this new new cast.

But it was just so fun.

Like, Jinx and Megan go way back.

And Megan saw Gina when she did cabaret.

And like, early two, in the early two, in the early aughts.

Had you met Megan Hildy before?

No, that was my first time.

And I really fangirled hard.

I was like, well, yeah.

And I caught myself.

I wanted to be like, I want to be like.

Little gay, little gay boy.

Yep.

Like going on Broadway.com every day.

Like that was when I first found out about you.

Like, I really had to contain myself.

And I wanted to be like, you're the reason why like i started researching like carnegie mellon when i thought like that was like a pathway and i'm like obviously i'm like it all worked out and i would not have done well in in a musical theater program

but i'm like but she would like she open like her oh she opened up the door to all these things for me and she's just so fucking good and great just chill good vibe i could tell good vibe she want like she like brought us out the stage George was like, I'll be your cover.

Like you guys run past all.

Oh my god, you're a fucking legend.

I feel like I could ever have the opportunity to like be myself now and visit my little gay self as a ghost, what I would just say from the corner of a room is Megan Hilty.

And I know that little gay me would be, what?

Who said that?

Who said that?

How do you know I'm gay?

How do you know I would know that name?

That would be me.

Just like Megan Hilty.

Yes.

I know it's me from the future.

She slays even in 2025.

Don't worry.

There should be a gay

discovery satellite.

Wow.

Yeah, there should.

Do you know what I mean?

Because you know, the discovery satellite is like, it's just like, there's a vinyl on it.

There's a golden vinyl on it.

There's all these different things from human culture.

From like, they like sent it up in the 70s.

Oh, yeah, we got to do that.

We have to do that for gay culture.

All right.

That'll be the next, that'll be the next thing we do.

Cause now the culture awards are out.

We have a little bit more free time.

And you have reminded the group.

the producers and the editors of Las Culturistas, the award-winning podcast on iHeartRadio,

Jim, and Big Money Players.

We are approaching 500.

We are approaching our 500th episode, you guys.

I believe this is like 485.

It really doesn't feel right, but I have to tell you, remember, we absolutely blew past the 400th.

We didn't do our 400th until 440.

And again, we don't take breaks.

No.

And we just had a one-week break, which honestly felt good.

It feels great.

But here's the thing.

It's like when we do episodes like this, I do kind of feel like we're on a break.

Totally.

You know what I'm saying?

And just to let everybody know, Nana are going to just be sort of like orbiting around each other, not necessarily in the same place all the time.

So it will be more just

culture catch-ups.

We're going to backlog some guest episodes in September.

Yes.

That's right.

But those will be evergreen by design.

We're not going to talk about any topical stuff on those.

Can I maybe pitch something for the 500?

Of course.

What's your pitch?

In the vein of like gay satellite, the 500 things?

The 500 things.

Las Culturistas, 500.

It could be really good.

It will be.

Banana is on there.

Banana?

Banana might be a huge thing.

Banana is top ton.

Can I start an FYC for one of the things?

Of course it's your podcast.

It's Jenna Bush Hager today.

Of course it's your podcast.

It's actually Roller Culture Number Nine.

Of course it's your podcast.

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I'm just saying, if

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Do you know what I just realized in you saying, of course, it's your podcast?

I can kind of use this for anything, huh?

So what I'm going to use it for in this moment is I need my

New York and LA readers, Katie's, Publicists, Finalists, and Kyle's, which, by the way, congratulations, Kyle's, you remain.

Congratulations.

A lot of fan community.

Really wonderful messages.

I want to know where in where I can find an apple cinnamon muffin.

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All right.

Let's get the get the thing.

Do you have anything else to say about Death Becomes her?

Because you haven't mentioned two words yet, Michelle Williams.

Michelle Williams?

That voice, that look.

I just went, that is amuse in every way.

Do you know what I mean?

Did you hear about the rumor?

What's the rumor?

The rumor is.

I took one hit and I'm being conspiratorial.

The rumor is act three

is

definitely rock and

Destiny's Child is Coming.

That's that last part feels too good to be true.

But why would it be too good to be true?

You know what I mean?

Because it's like, what else?

Not to say that Kelly and Michelle aren't booked and busy as we're literally talking about Michelle.

I'm sure there will be Kelly and Michelle features on Act Three.

You're saying the rumor is that they're the whole album?

No.

Well, then I'll come on tour with her.

That's great.

Sorry, I was not specific in that.

Yeah, I think Act Three is a rock album.

Yes.

Perchance, the girls are featured on it.

Yes.

But that the Act Three tour.

It's going to be all three of them.

What I had heard, and mind you, we hear so many things about Beontre.

Half end up being true, half end up being not.

Like the sphere of it all was not true.

The visuals, I mean, kind of came, kind of didn't.

Also, there was that crazy thing about them being stolen from the car

that is true that's crazy

that is the truth i still don't i still haven't we haven't talked about that that's like the mona list of being stolen you don't take that that's actually real culture number 90.

that's like the mona lista being stolen you don't take that

By the way, we should just pause here and say, I know we're going to get to the culture awards later, but Mary M.

Cosby came to it, essentially came to a party that we threw and loved a role.

And we met her.

and this is what she said do you remember what she said all i remember is vaguely her saying who are you guys

this is what it was we came around the corner mary cosby i turned to ball and i was like the look that mary cosby pulled for our show she's in a red becloaked gown yeah and with a red bag and a red gloves and she turned to us and she said i had the most amazing time and we said mary thank you for being here you elevated the whole thing.

And she goes, my husband said, you better know who they are.

And she goes, and I do know Matt and Bowen.

And I was like, you are.

She was amazed at that.

She was like, we need to get a picture.

And so I think we should just post that picture.

There's going to be a lot of things posted online.

That needs its place.

That needs its own grid.

That's how I knew.

Us and Mary Cosby.

Yeah.

The fact that we

she enjoyed her time there.

So I give you a huge badge of honor.

Quickly before Death Becomes Her, yeah, we've been very much a Broadway episode, and there's so much to get to.

Warren Yang, he's the one who does the tumble down the stairs.

Yes.

And spoiler.

Okay, well, that's a spoiler.

That's a spoiler, but it's been many months.

Please go see it.

I did not ruin anything.

Trust me.

Michelle ate them up.

Michelle ate them up.

The singing.

The like riff she is doing at the top of her belt.

I love it.

Absurd.

And she, I love that she kind of comes in sort of laughing the whole time.

She's like, I'm having fun doing this.

She stands, delivers, absolutely belts these songs like you've never heard and then leaves being like, I killed it.

She had exit applause every time.

Our audience uphold, we had a respectful audience.

See, that's what I'm saying.

Is it's like they showed up.

And also Death Becomes Her is quite loud.

Yeah.

So it's like you can't always hear everything going on.

If it's a play.

That's the thing.

It was a play.

And it was a play where you really needed to listen.

As with most plays, you really got to engage.

You can't be coming to the theater like cracking, popping, coughing, like chewing, gnawing, ripping.

There was a lot of dialing.

Where we're browbeating a lot.

But it's, it's just.

It's

crazy.

Does this make us like the old faggots in the chair in the basically?

Basically, no, because they were insulted.

No, they're actually the problem.

No, you're right.

If Statler and Waldorf were still going to the theater today, their phones would be ringing.

They'd be canceled.

That's not what I said.

To speak more in things that have happened on stages, have you seen the clips of Cynthia giving what looked to be the performance of a lifetime in Jesus Christ superstar?

Yeah, I mean, it looks sacred.

It looks religious.

Remember when she was on and I was like, wow, so you've played Aretha.

You've played Harriet Tubman.

You've played alphabet you've played celebrity now she's played jesus christ you can't she can't play a normal woman unlimited

whoa

i hadn't even thought of that alphabet

oh my god life imitates art life imitates art yet again i saw josh sharp ta-da oh my god have you talked about it yet on the pod um not really i guess i guess i was waiting for you i'm so proud of josh he's just he's so great and honestly i'm sitting sitting there watching the show.

And

the way it was just unraveling, it just, it's, it's one of those.

It's like, it gets better every second because you realize what the no pun intended purpose of the slides are.

And, you know, he goes through 2,000 slides in the show and is like perfectly exactly on it and ends up telling, you know,

a really beautiful story.

And

I just love him so much.

It's just life-affirming.

Literally, it's a life-affirming show and

hilarious.

Sam Pinkleton.

Yeah, heard of Wanna Tony.

Wanna Tony, that guy.

And

yeah, I mean, we wouldn't, we don't want to give anything away.

That's the thing is, it's like, you can't really give it, like, you got to go.

You know what, guys?

Sounds like you're hitting the block.

Sounds like you guys have shows to go see.

And that's good.

Yeah.

That's a good thing.

Today ticks.

And you know what?

I'm being really earnest when I say that.

Oh, yeah.

And a lot of times on this podcast, when we say today ticks, peek behind the curtain, it's an ad.

It's an ad and we're getting paid for it in some way, in a way that we don't always see.

You know what?

We know that someone is making money.

Someone is making money somewhere.

We hope so.

That's all that matters.

But yeah, no, get on Today Tix.

And I wonder if Tadal is on Today Ticks.

It is on Today Tix.

It is.

It is definitely on Today Ticks.

And use code whatever the code is.

Just put, just might be Ding Dong

for today.

Use code Ding Dong or it's Culturistas or just do monkeys at a Typewriter until you get it.

The way we were laughing in the theater, not just Broadway varietal, but the cinema varietal.

My favorite varietal theater.

Is movies your favorite?

Actually, theater is always my favorite.

Theater is always your favorite.

And I said that to Celestium at Wicked in the West End.

I said, theater's my favorite medium.

And they were like, well, yeah.

But I was saying this to them as a playwright.

And they were like, well, yeah, I mean, it's.

The fact that you're sharing space with them makes it the most immediate thing.

I was like, that's it.

To me, it's like this.

Number three,

film.

Okay.

Number two, theater,

theatrical RE.

Yeah.

Theater R.

E.

And then number one.

Number one, of course, haunted house, escape room.

That is interesting.

Is it interesting or is it not?

If it's not, that's okay too.

I don't say it because it's interesting.

I just say it because I like to run around and be chased.

Are you saying that?

I want the boys trying to come and get trying to come and get you you don't well i guess you do but you no remember that one we went to with the polka nose

what you remember the one we went to with the polka nose but that's interesting though like you want to run around and be chased but like don't you feel don't you get that same sensation of running like running around and being chased while you're watching a horror film like it's the same oh my god i can't really litigate this with you i would rather do a haunted house than a scary movie because in a haunted house

Things make sense.

It's like, okay, that is flying out of that door.

Okay, that beast is coming at me with that knife.

In a film, you can edit it to make it crazy.

But it gives you that same thrill of like, oh my God, like, I'm terrified.

I have to just go along for the ride, I suppose, which is what you do in every haunted house.

Honestly, if we were to actually unpack this,

I want to know.

I want to know too.

Should I get breached subject with my therapist?

Yes.

And be like, hi, every time I sit down for like a scary movie or even a suspenseful movie, I have dread.

What is this?

That something happened to me at the theater.

Right.

Well, Hugo.

Right.

Well, I'm saying like, there's something about like,

I'm learning a lot about my, the reasons for my anxiety.

Really?

Yes.

I feel like I shared them with you the other night.

Like things, I'm really breaking open new ground.

Mercury is coming out of retrograde.

It was a rhetorical.

Really?

Really?

I think you figuring this out will unlock so many other doors.

Treasures untold.

Treasures Untold.

All right.

Stacy, I'm coming back to therapy on Friday, babe.

She doesn't listen to this.

Actually, my therapist did tell me.

She's like, I purposefully, if I see you in something, I turn it off.

Right, right.

No, that's.

I was like, well, that sucks.

You can't like see some cool stuff.

That's fair, though, right?

I guess so.

I had.

So remember that period of time, like a couple years ago, where I had two therapists?

Yes.

One of them was like, I'm a fan of what you do.

And the other one was like, I turn off everything.

I see you in and I make a point.

If you say you're going to be in it, I don't watch it.

And I was like, I have to stay with you.

I must stick with you.

That's like that.

It's like that riddle of you run into

a town where there's only one barbershop

and there's two barbers.

There's a riddle.

You need, you need a haircut.

For some reason in this riddle, you dress and need a haircut.

Okay.

And you go into a barbershop and and there's two barbers oh my god this is my nightmare one of them has an amazing haircut and one of them has an awful haircut which one do you go to

is there a right answer yes if you want to if you want a good haircut which barber do you pick

okay in this world

this is simple i i if someone has a good haircut and they're like i'll cut your hair well and someone has a bad haircut and they're like i'll cut your hair to be honest with you i would go with the person with the bad haircut.

That makes sense because they got the haircut from the person with the good haircut.

No, no, no, no, no.

Was I supposed to have like known that?

That's like part of the reasoning.

I'm sorry, I maybe didn't set it up correctly because it's like because I think you said it was a riddle.

It's a riddle.

You think that's a riddle?

A riddle is like, fiddle me, thee, fiddle me this.

Nope, no, that's a riddle that doesn't have to riddle so that it's not an enigma wrapped in a riddle in cash.

Fucking Erica.

Fucking Erica.

Wait, what were we talking about earlier?

We were talking about the- Oh, the therapist.

It's like you chose the therapist.

You picked the therapist who doesn't see you and stuff.

So you were like, it was like the barber with the bad haircut.

Yeah.

Like the one who is,

who understands what she does on a more deeper level.

Honestly, just on a more deeper.

It was weird.

It was like...

I was like, well, I cut.

Because back in the day, that girl

has me flying.

Back in the day, my therapist was like, we were dealing with stuff around the shooting of Fire Island.

And I was like, I think I want you to watch the movie because it's relevant to the issues that I

did the same with my therapist.

I gave them homework.

Yes.

And she was like, I watched it.

I enjoyed it.

And I was like, okay.

And then we talked about it like as it related to things coming up.

I'm like, I'm not going to be shooting the movie.

This is Stacey.

So I think my therapist is the same.

I think he does not really.

You have a gay man.

And so it makes it even weirder, I guess.

But like, I, but the only time I've ever told him to watch something that I've done with Spire Hound, I was like, I was like, this is going to explain a lot.

Yeah.

I think it was really important of it.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Agree.

Also, because like, I think probably a lot of us were talking about each other.

Bro.

Well, no, I think we were just like, like, this movie is like something.

This is our first time doing this.

Like, this

is kind of about us.

Yeah.

Anyway,

give me that lighter.

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Okay, so wait, I have one thing I wanted to say as we move into as because the reason we even started talking about this is because I was bringing up that we saw a movie which is Naked Gun.

You have to go see this, everybody.

Oh, God.

It's so good it's so fucking stupid i need to see it three more times because it really is that kind of movie where like the comedy comes at you from every which angle and you're just like okay i i need to process that joke in about like two weeks because i need to focus on this other joke that's coming up do you know what i mean yeah there was there was like it was you really it was blink and you miss it in terms of just how many jokes there were.

And I love Liam Neeson.

I love Liam Neeson.

I have to say i was kind of liam neeson agnostic before this because i'm not like a taken girl right right

all respect to maggie grace always and she will always be shannon and lost but i could not make the leap to to the maggie grace vehicle taken just because again like didn't seem like a movie i was going to be like bit for b pound for pound i enjoy this this pace of film and liam kind of to me is wrapped up in the taken of it all so to see him in this he's got a fan for life now i love that I love Pam.

I love Pam so much.

I love

the guy who played the villain.

Oh, we were saying his line reads were everything.

There is a run about the black-eyed peas in this, which was really, really, really one for the books.

It's really good.

And then Fergalicious comes in as a drop at one point.

It's like a great needle drop.

The movie knew something.

Akiva Shaffer, you know something.

You know something about filmmaking.

You know something the other girls don't, which is that you, if you can do the Fergalicious drop, you do do the furgalicious drop.

It is

stupid comedy.

It is really, see, yeah, the original movie, we need to go, we need to move in this direction.

Yes, absolutely.

The original movie I re-watched just in the lead up to this new one, and I was just like, the original and the first in the original trilogy.

I didn't watch it, and I was like, I mean, a lot of this just still holds up.

Yeah, like this kind of humor, it's just like, I mean, it'll never go out of style.

Some of it is like, okay, like that's there's a slight patina on that, but everything else, it's like

hilarious sight.

First one had a lot more sight gags.

And just for some reason, like, I love that they kept in this updated version, like, you know,

just these two people like running over everybody, like, crashing into things all the time.

So a little bit different on 70s cameras or 80s cameras.

I mean, yeah, like, cause,

yeah, I will say, because now we know,

like, how

intense.

I don't know how to, how, this is what I think it is.

Comedy has, for a while now, actually asked a lot of the audience.

Yes.

And I think watching something done that is just literally so much time had to be put into this, but it doesn't feel like it.

Like every

hard joke is what matters and what's important.

And I love the sketch way that the scenes are all set up.

It obviously made me miss Austin Powers.

We were even talking after the day.

I'm like, could there be another Austin Powers now after this

but that is i think the difference is it's like even when i saw superman i was like yeah

in this superhero movie like one of the gags is lois puts sugar in her coffee for like approximately 15 seconds and then just drinks the coffee like it's normal and it's just it's just a joke in the movie and i'm like hmm even superhero movies took themselves so fucking seriously there for a while.

So to see that gag happen, I was like, huh.

And then with Naked Gun, it's all just so stupid.

And I was like, well, I'm having a bigger reaction than I've had in a long time.

And that's not to say that comedy can't be meaningful or shouldn't be meaningful or isn't meaningful in this new way I'm like exalting, but it is

really nice to just drop your shoulders, not take anything too fucking seriously and just rip.

100%.

Because I don't know what you were thinking in the theater yesterday or two days ago.

I was just like, this feeling of laughing in a theater feels so foreign.

Yeah, and also so good.

So good.

But I'm like, it's been way too long since I've done it.

100%.

You used to reliably be able to go to the movie theaters and like laugh at something like bridesmaids.

Yes.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

Like those are formative memories.

And honestly.

This is this is, I think, a real thing.

Like horrors continued to do fine at the box office, but comedy's not actually drives away a whole kind of person that goes to the movies.

When the only thing you can really reliably go to the movies for is like shock or wonder, it's like a lot of people aren't interested in that.

A lot of people are interested in a different kind of reaction and going to the movies.

And I get that like, you know, because of streaming, you can, it's easier to provide that sort of comfort viewing or it's more acceptable to get away with it going straight to people's homes.

But we're really missing out on putting hard comedies in theaters because those are some of the most formative experiences of my life.

Of my life.

And we don't have that.

And I'm sorry, but that type of human that would enjoy that is still fucking out there.

And there's still that age.

And there's still, you know, I get that the world has changed, but like, I just don't believe that there's no desire for people to go see good comedy at the theaters.

I just don't.

Because as you're saying this, it's like that does drive away a whole kind of people who go to the movies.

And so the way that we, you and I, and a whole generation of people defines comedies now is that, like, okay, we still, we're still attached to this thing of going to the theater and laughing with everybody.

It's just a different sensation.

You're just aware of the people around you.

Anyway, obviously.

But I'm just saying, like, it then defines what comedy is for a generation of people growing up who all they think comedy is is like some person on TikTok

doing

a very like refracted kind of meme-y thing.

Right.

Which, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which it is, but it's just like, that's not all of comedy.

It's not direct, hard comedy.

Exactly.

It is in reference to something where there's almost no like proof that exists at all.

Or this generation thinks comedy is like someone, a stand-up comedian, quote-unquote, going up on a mic and just saying whatever slurs they want, like Kill Tony.

It's like, that's not comedy either, but they think that's comedy.

And it's like, you need movies like this that reach every audience.

And that is what the example should be.

This is not going to be to everyone's taste, but what I am saying is, you can be any kind of person and think this movie is fun.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

And that's important.

You might not love it.

Like, I even in a group thread where a couple people were like, I thought the movie actually could have been funny.

Not everything landed.

No, it doesn't have to be.

But that's, there's almost a different thing about that, too.

Is it's like, okay, that bit went by, and maybe it didn't work for me as much as the last half.

But the fact is, like, your batting average can be a little bit lower when you're taking a lot of swings.

You know what I mean?

This movie is constantly jam-packed with the goal of every single fucking thing being funny.

So yeah, if its batting average is like a 760 instead of a 990, that's pretty fucking good.

Either way, it's great.

Yeah, because there's some quote-unquote comedy out here, which are taking no swings out of comedy.

And I'm sorry, but when you, when everything is comedy, you do dilute things out of that.

Like, I don't know.

Moratorium on what is comedy.

And I think everyone.

But I think you and I just figured it out for real.

The way

we,

for a second, there were number three on the comedy podcast list.

Behind

it.

And Rogan.

Eat it.

Alex Cooper.

Eat it.

Eat it.

We went right below her right away.

Of course.

That's okay.

We respect all these girls.

No.

We just think.

But for a second, we had the number three spot and i think we just proved why

absolutely right now we are wearing all

white we are in an all white room and we're like little angels and that's how i want you guys to think of us whenever we don't have a visual aid just like two little angels in like a white room like it's like it's um heaven or something

just talking to each other floating around like little heads and we're wearing white

button-downs with like a chiffon

with a chiffon pant.

Speaking of music and pants.

Oh, you know who's wearing the pants

in terms of my Spotify most streamed lately?

Interesting expression.

Sometimes I really segues in me.

go great and then other times it goes like that i love it who's wearing the pants

have you been streaming the subway Absolutely.

So good.

So good.

I just, and I love that it is so different from what, like the version of song she's been performing at the concerts.

Cause it feels like it's more like acoustic and like not quite as lush and like,

I don't know.

I feel like when she was doing it live only at her concert before she released it and recorded it, like recorded and released it, it just felt like a different song.

And this just feels like it's, it gives it a whole new life.

Yeah, I mean, My confession is I actually wasn't very familiar with the live version because I just really wanted to at the time I remember being like I really want to wait because I'm sure that this is coming soon yeah and then it just kind of never came so I didn't really have like much of a vocabulary for it so I'm kind of experiencing it as an oh that's great then that's a great of course I had listened to it like when it came out at first and then a couple times when she was coming on but like it hasn't been in rotation I fucking love this

like

and

Just how grand it is and how long it is.

I just love that she feels like she can get away with something like this because she can.

She doesn't feel emboldened.

I mean, she doesn't feel encumbered by any expectation about like what a pop song is.

I think because like everything she's done has been on her own terms anyway.

I love that like casual has like this little sister song.

I do think ultimately it is the best song on casual or something.

100% agree.

I mean, when you see her do it live and you feel that song live and it is the song that made me first really turn turn my head to her, there's just something so special about it.

Are you kidding me?

Like that whole fucking thing.

Anyway, yeah, Subway.

And this feels like that song.

I need to give the music video another.

But just the shot of her, of like those butterflies like flying around her as it pans up.

Like, she's a great actor.

I'm just like, this is an incredible visual.

Just period.

I think it's, I think that the Subway video and the Manchild video both were

feats in pop girly music video history, recent history.

I love the man child video.

I love that every single shot is different.

I love that, like literally.

Right.

I love this choice with the hair in the subway.

Like, she serrated it.

She serrated it.

These girls are serrating.

I think we have to, we all have to serrate.

We all have to serrate better.

Oh, it's not the butterfly.

Sorry.

It's the garbage when she's, yeah, in the intersection.

Fuck.

I'm just, God, that's, that's amazing.

Yeah.

Her being dragged by the car.

Oh Like, are you kidding me?

You can do that in a music video.

I'm so happy that they're being intentional about music videos.

I know, I know

that's another thing that's gone the way of the dodo is sort of the music video.

Like, you know, you're right.

It's only the girls.

The girls who are like, Ariana is always really, really good about.

But I was saying that I was like, were you going to say it's always the girls?

I'm sorry.

Yes, I agree with you.

I didn't mean to interrupt you.

No, you didn't at all.

But are you saying that it's the girls who like have the studio backing?

Because it's just like some of these girls just don't have the money.

It's the ones that have like the big guns i think that can crank out these videos and then it's the girls who like don't get the money from the label yeah but you know what though like i said studios i meant label you don't need that much money to do something like cute and interesting yeah and i just don't think you do like i think you just pick something that's like you're being so michelle visage right now i love it

you don't need you don't need i'm telling them i'm refusing to give them a budget girls i'm not giving you a budget

no make your own videos.

I'm not giving you a budget, you're not getting a budget for the season.

I also,

speaking of Dan Nigro, yes, his other song that's Conan Gray's Bodka,

I am supporting this young girl, Conan Gray.

I am supporting, I think,

very bright.

We need to really be listening to this one.

Bright star.

I'm only streaming this.

That's so cute.

I love it.

I love it.

I love that we, I love that, like.

There's a singer like that.

Yeah, I mean, the belt at the end of

the bridge.

I love it.

That's crazy.

And then he puts together a cute little video, too, where the boyfriend leaves him.

Sorry.

No, he

gets to he gets to put together a saucy little video where he's got like his like little gay love interest.

Then there's like a, you know, an errant single tier at the end when they know it's not working.

They break up.

Oh, we love it.

Punch in the gut.

Punch in the gut.

little gay singer little gay singers everywhere conan's one to watch have you listened to the demi lobato i wanna go fast i wanna go fast and it's like giving it home it's like locked and loaded for the gay guy of course demi lobato is it uh is the music video out i'm sure no but she's been doing a lot of like visual walking through she's sort of giving this Describe to everyone what I'm doing.

I've seen videos walking through a claw.

I want to go fast.

Yeah, yeah my answer's kind of posing seductively i look like jinx from pokemon yes yes you know what i mean like you just give them a little reference of a wiggle i want to go fast this she demi

i i want a big demi moment cool for the summer was one of the great peaks of my life It continues to reappear in beautiful ways.

Cool for the summer.

Should we just like really, we're going to Pete P-Town.

Um, should we make cool for the summer a big thing in P-Town?

Yes,

absolutely.

Just like whenever we get ready, like, it's always cool for the summer.

Like, we can't leave any place

without playing it as we leave.

This is how I feel about apple cinnamon muffin, which I was going to say is your beef stew.

How'd you feel?

Huh?

How'd you feel?

Good,

yeah.

I'm but cool for the summer is like apple cinnamon and muffin.

I will never mind it.

Yep, you're edged.

How about that?

You thought we were actually going to play it?

No, it was right.

You're edged.

You're not getting it.

See, and this is what we've been saying.

for a really long time.

Our grandparents will have someone over the rainbow.

Our grandchildren will have Cool for the Summer.

And we have been saying this.

It is number one on the great global songbook.

I don't think you're hearing me.

I really don't think you're hearing me correctly.

Cool for the summer.

Cool for the summer is number one

on the great, not American.

Global

songbook.

This song stands tall with other winners of our lists.

the iconic 400 the number one person on the list is mariah carry

the top 200 moments in culture the number one moment in culture was adelezim do you understand it is the song equivalent of to those to the to those oh my god i still don't think they get it is the sick part

you will get it even more there are a lot of people that are just like

you know like demi levano fast comes out and they don't remember what a demi era can give.

And that's the one

is going to give it.

It chokes me up.

It chokes me up.

Cool for the summer.

You will understand even more when we release the 500 Objects of Culture.

Yeah.

You will.

It'll be the equivalent to the number one of that.

How about that?

Let's just say Demi Lovato's top in that music video is on it.

Okay.

The top that she wore in that music video is on the list of 500 things of culture.

Should we drink Flowerboy?

Yes.

Okay.

So happy birthday, Kyle Cook.

Happy birthday, Kyle.

Is it his birthday to you?

Yes, actually, it is.

Mr.

Batula, we are, so we're going to have.

So did Kyle send you this?

Yes.

I'm sorry.

Kyle, you're in the doghouse with me because Kyle Cook, I was supposed to get some Flowerboy, and you know, I'm a little stoner.

Amanda, Mr.

Get Mr.

Betula

on the horn.

Can I say, can I say something?

What?

I texted Amanda Batoula happy birthday.

And i did not get a response i think she's like that cool 1000 wait what do you mean she loves you she was she's gonna text back happy birthday no she no i'm saying she doesn't have to and i'm saying that that these people that kyle and amanda while we love them

maybe and maybe it's not meant to be that we're friends with them you know what i mean as much as we would like to maybe it's not for maybe they're not ready for us you think you think that our our expectations were too high.

I thought we made a real connection with we thought we made a real connection with you guys.

And we're sitting here, we're drinking Flowerboy, and we're just kind of despondent.

We're just kind of

miss you guys.

We love you.

We're going to drink Flowerboy.

Happy birthday, Kyle Cook.

DJ Calton.

Kyle Cook.

Watch what happens, Live.

They asked us if we'd rather fuck you or who was the other person.

Oh, Jesse?

Jesse.

And I said you.

For so many reasons.

Yeah.

No, but your type is Jesse, though.

And even on the show, I believe that you said your type was Jesse.

Oh, no, so it wasn't Kyle and Jesse.

It was.

Who was it?

It was like, who would you rather bang?

Kyle?

But But it was Kyle's was with someone else, and Jesse was with someone else.

Well, clearly, you ran away with this one, Kyle.

Anyway, cheers to you.

Happy 43rd.

Your skin looks better than ours.

I literally said to him, I was like, I turned to him at one point.

I think, oh, is this grape?

Yeah.

Did you give me the grape one?

Is that okay?

What is that?

Orange.

We can trade.

I like the grape one.

Can I at least try the sip?

Yeah, you don't like a grape one.

Well, this is an ad for Flowerboy.

I'll take the grape one.

I'm just to think how heartbroken we just were.

I know.

I like the grape.

Do you like the orange?

I want the orange.

Okay, you like the grape.

Yes, there's something about grape,

the kid grape juice feeling that like.

I got to tell you something.

This is actually really fucking good.

And I was drinking Lover Boy when I was...

Where was I just?

Where was that?

I guess it was

Memorial Day weekend.

Oh, it was 4th of July.

4th of July.

And Loverboy was slapping.

Yeah.

I was drinking Flowerboy during 4th of July as well.

You were doing Lover.

I was doing Flower.

You were on your Flower, I was on my Lover.

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Okay, should we finally talk about culture rewards?

Or do we have other things to say?

Okay, so this is, I just want to, just because I think it's funny,

this is the rest of the stuff that I wrote down as potential topics.

And I almost never do this, you guys, but this time I was like, yeah, you know, like, let's have a proper culture catch-up and talk about all the things.

Can you imagine if we commented on Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau's date?

I was like, I, I, what would, what is there even to be said?

Two people connected, okay?

Can't people just fall in love?

Yeah,

leave them alone.

Can't people just have a fairy tale romance romance anymore?

Leave them alone.

Leave it be.

And just like that ended.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's sad.

I think that we will always have Sex in the City and Carrie Bradshaw and watching Sarah Jessica's reel

about.

Did you watch this?

I did, of course.

I was so emotional.

It was so moving.

I was just like, wow.

That's one of the best characters in TV.

Honestly, here's what I'll remember about it just like that.

How hard Sarah Jessica Parker tore,

especially in that first season, yeah, when she ran in and she discovered big in that first episode.

I'll remember, I remember that gagged me.

Yep, that they did that.

So, respect on the show's name for that.

I will remember Chadia's.

I will remember Miranda as lesbian in this time capsule.

You will, you, I, you will not only remember, you will cherish it.

And I will remember Seema.

Yeah, I will remember her.

I will remember her.

LTW, I won't.

But I will remember Seema.

I'll remember.

Yeah.

I'll remember Kristen Davis

through a lot of work opposite animals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, because remember we remember, remember when we were like positing, like, okay, if you watch Kristen Davis and LTW's scene like it's the Muppets,

it's actually really good.

But then that just wasn't the same show as the other characters.

Can I say, like,

we have not talked enough about Charlotte and in just like that as a culture.

No.

Because I think sometimes it's hard.

Well, but there's such a reality distortion around

Charlotte and in just like that specifically, where like you have

LTW like forgetting that her dad died or having two separate fathers who passed away or just whatever like the whole dad then.

Oh my god.

But then remember in season one, like I took a screen grab of like LTW like holding a phone the wrong way as she was speaking on it.

Then there's just like a bunch of there's just something bizarre.

I will just I just will just come out and say

there's something bizarre in any of the storylines involving her child, her children.

Yeah.

Just something.

I was like, I don't know what's going on.

It happened in another dimension.

This is what I'm saying.

It's in another dimension.

This is the thing with the LT, when with LTW and sometimes when LTW is with Charlotte.

And this is my opinion.

And listen, I'm on the record as saying

lots of things about this show, but this is what I want to leave with.

The number one best thing that this show could have done.

When it was revealed that LTW had said her father died twice,

the number one thing they should have done absolutely immediately, and I'm disappointed that they didn't, because these are not the third graders that I remember.

The third graders that I remember would have made Charlotte wake up in the cold dark of night.

She shoots up in bed.

She goes, oh my God.

Harry says, what?

What's the matter?

She goes, I think.

I think Lisa Todd has been lying to me.

She said her father died two years ago, but she just said he died again.

It can't be right, right?

Well, I don't know.

Why don't you just talk to her?

Okay.

She wakes up in the morning.

She actually goes over LTW's house.

She goes, hey, I just wanted to check in because you said your father died twice.

Lisa Todd waxed and goes, oh, did I?

Excuse me a second.

Leaves the room, comes back with a knife.

It's like,

like, full LTW psycho reveal.

Kristen Davis goes, and at this point, it's like she is, it's an action film.

She does a dive roll because LTW is throwing the knife, she gets a gun, a bazooka.

You, you can't expose me.

LTW reveals she's a psychopath.

This, if you better not be eating on this mic, you're gonna give the Mystophonia girlies

a nightmare and a half.

Cover your mouth.

And I, and you did get too high.

Full psychopath LTW reveal is the only way that that show.

And I'm sorry, it could have kept going.

It could.

But I'm not seeing the third graders I remember.

Should we literally just have this episode be the culture catch-up and then do another one that we put out, which is the culture awards recap?

Like, no, literally, like, do it like right after this.

Like, if, because I don't have that much on here, we did a whole culture catch-up.

We could in a couple days do the lost culture recap.

We're in an hour, 17 minutes.

Okay, yeah.

Let's, let's do it.

Maybe should we do it next week?

Should we do what?

The culture culture

recap.

Because maybe we should do that because it gives more people

more time to watch it.

Exactly.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

We're not going to do the culture awards recap this time.

Guess you'll have to.

I guess you'll have to really watch it now.

Ooh.

This is going to be a rip roaring rollicking one.

Yes.

All I have left on my list is two things.

Okay.

I watched the hunting wives on Netflix.

Perfect.

It's has the, I've only watched one episode so far.

It has the potential to go full crazy town.

And so I think I'm going to keep going.

I think people are, this is what people are saying.

I have not watched it.

I will get to it at some point.

Malin Ackerman's character, it's

in my laundry.

I'm sorry.

Oh my God.

That beautiful song.

It's really good.

Malin Ackerman's character, I can tell, is going to be some sort of femme fatale,

really sort of eating and chewing the scenery.

You can tell she fucks everybody.

And what's Brittany Snow giving?

Brittany Snow right now is giving, I'm a little bit nervous to be here.

And you can tell I have a little bit of an anxiety problem.

And

it's a little bit like meep.

You know what I mean?

Like, but, but I think what's coming is going to be a full opposite of meep situation.

You guys know what meep means, right?

Like, meep.

You know what?

Imagine the face that Bowen and I are making when we do this.

Like, that, you know what I mean?

Like, the least horny thing in the world is to be meep.

It's actually like there's a there's like a one through ten scale and at a zero is meep and out of ten is horny.

Right.

Meep.

Um, so that's sort of like Britney Snow's vibe in the first episode, but she's absolutely licking her chops at Malin Ackerman, who's sort of this like sexy va-va-vum.

Like, so they're gonna get together.

I'm gonna get dressed in front of you.

Like, sorry, babe, like that kind of vibe.

And we've already seen Malin Ackerman teach Britney Snow how to drive and how how to shoot a gun.

So her fingers are basically already inside her.

And I can't wait to see this pop off.

And I think it's really going to pop off.

I didn't realize that's what it was about.

Oh, yeah.

It's like it's, I think it's about to be giving like psychosexual lesbian cult.

Crazy.

That's at least what the first episode is giving.

Because Melan Ackerman has like another female friend that you can tell is like obsessed with her.

And so she's like, I'm going to go hang out with Britney Snow now.

See you later.

And the other one is like,

but wait, I was supposed to go with you tonight.

And she's like, whatever.

I'm gonna go hang out with Britney Snow.

But Malin,

Malon,

Malon Ackerman,

stop.

Stop.

Stop being so uncool.

I'm gonna go hang out with Britney Snow and drive and do donuts in a parking lot in my truck.

Mallon.

And they're there.

And where does the hunting and the wives come in?

Girl, that has yet to be seen.

What are they?

They're all like,

they're like, they're like,

it's more politics.

Like,

Dylan McDermott, not Dylan McDermott, Dr.

Dermot Mulroney

is like a, he's like a guy in Texas who might be thinking of running for governor.

And like, this is like his wife is Malin Ackerman and all her friends.

So like, we're the wives.

I see.

And Brittany Snow is like, hi, me, I'm you.

But do not eat on that mic.

You're expecting, I'm sorry.

You're expecting a flip.

Like, Britney Snow is going to be like, on that bitch.

I think Britney Snow is going to get, to be quite frank with you, her pussy eaten by Malon Ackerman.

That book.

And I think that's the thing that's shocking.

I think that that is going to unlock Treasures Untold.

It's Treasures Untold.

It's the second time it's come up.

So yes.

Treasures Untold.

I'm sure.

I'm sure we've used that title in the past.

Treasures Untold.

We have high potential now of just repeating a title without being.

I don't think Treasures Untold has been a title.

I'm saying it.

I think it sounds like one, which means it's a good idea.

I feel like it sounds

so wonderfully nonspecific to any other time in our life when we were recording.

The middle of the podcast.

I think maybe the word untold.

I'm sure untold and the word treasures separately.

Lost Culturistas.

Treasures Untold.

Treasures.

Like we really could.

Untold.

Okay, let's see.

I don't think so.

Treasures.

No, but there's another podcast called Treasures Untold.

Well, it's something to think about.

What our title of episode is going to be.

I think Treasures Untold, maybe exclamation point.

Okay.

I love that.

Treasures Untold.

Treasures Untold.

What else is on the list?

The Valley on Bravo.

I said so dark.

And this actually does lead into my I don't think so, honey.

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Okay, I have my I Don't Think So, honey, and this is I don't Think So Honey.

It's our segment on the podcast where we take one minute to rant rail and more against something in culture that's been really bad towards us, its own community.

And I think in kind of this case, it's both.

I think it's bad for the world.

Okay, here we go.

This is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so, honey is 10 starts down.

I don't think so, honey.

Jax Taylor, Jax Taylor discourse, Jax Taylor on television.

It isn't done.

It's a wrap.

I know that like it's pretty much already out there, like that it is officially a wrap on the Jax Taylor of It All, but my God, I think it's actually like just hurting our spirits and souls to watch this.

In this world where we have to really take stock of how we spend every minute of our life because nothing is promised, like you can't spend it watching the valley

if Jax Taylor is going to be the center of it.

Like I like a lot of those people.

I enjoyed the show the first season a lot.

The second season just like got so dark with Jax.

He's really, really, really brutal towards his wife.

And it's just sad because there's kids involved and just like yikes.

And then elsewhere, you look elsewhere and like Jesse and Michelle just trying to ruin each other.

Like really, it's Jesse.

I second,

but like Jesse is awful.

It's just the whole thing wolf.

I can't with Jax anymore.

Wait a minute.

No, there's just

secondary.

I was holding the Jax thing.

Obviously, the Jax thing is, as you are saying, much darker, but the Jesse Michelle thing grated on me in such a crazy way.

It was like watching the two of them argue or the way they were acting individually or together, I was like, this is

empty on television.

It's like there's nothing,

there's no caloric entertainment value there.

It only just makes you feel like empty and bad.

Like, and also it's like, it's a shame because the first season, I don't know what it is sometimes because it's like, it might be be something with that group in particular.

Because like, it feels like nothing can be light.

Like Vanderpump rules had to end.

The Valley.

I don't know how that continues.

It's just like, we don't have fun together.

Something about that group of people.

Something I'm going to keep, I'm going to like excise Kristen Doty in a way.

Really?

Yeah.

I really missed her when she was not on my TV.

Or like, just like gone from Vanderpump.

But like that, like, I don't know.

There's just something about her that's just like, oh, that's, that's, that, that vibration is bringing in

other, other, other, like, behavior like that, other bad behavior.

There's, there's people on the show that feel low vibration.

Yes.

Like, and Jack's the energy is so darkening.

I'm just like, ooh.

And then there are people on the show that I really like individually.

And like,

you know, like, we love Sheena Shea in this house, but also it's like when, when certain people are mixed together, together, like, but we also love like Arianomatics.

I'm like, why?

It's like we watch the show, and it's just like, maybe this group of people

is too triggered by each other because all they know is this reality TV experience of like trying to fuck each other up.

So it's like, I'm not saying they're not all individually like, you know,

in most cases, certainly not Jax's, but like,

you know,

should be on television in some way.

But I think just this configuration is

feeling like it's done.

Agree.

Yeah, I just, I really gave up a long time ago and I feel bad about it.

Don't feel bad because you chose you.

Yes.

Do you have that on Think So, honey?

I do.

Well,

fabulous because I know everyone's chomming at the bits of here.

This is Boeing.

I don't think so, honey, as time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Email.

There have been no real meaningful advancements in you for many, many years.

The language around you has gotten only worse.

Per my last,

I'm not going to like rattle off office speaking, I'm just saying the way that we as human beings have learned to speak to each other through, because of the formal limitations of email is actually really scary to me.

30 seconds.

Like,

why do I have to type two full paragraphs of like fluff before I get to the meat to the to the meat or the marrow or the bone or whatever of why I'm communicating with you.

Like other forms of communication are so much more direct, so much faster.

There's an expectation of when someone responds to you.

There's none of that in email.

It is lawless and it is not advanced.

As I've said, meaningfully, there was a time when Google was trying to do Google Wave, and that was their answer to innovating on the way email should work.

Threads and docs and all these things.

It was a huge failure, but email is the canker in the state.

And that is one minute.

Okay, so

I'm bad at it.

And I ain't going to own that.

Why do you think you're bad at it?

Because it is a bad medium.

Okay, but when you, can I ask about your thing that you said about two paragraphs or semi-paragraphs of fluff before you get to the marrow or the meat of your email?

That's like a lot of initial emails, right?

Like especially in our industry.

You got to get right to the chase.

I do.

You see me emailing.

And I was saying, why do I have to do that in a way that is actually not something that i do i'm saying like i'm used i'm swapping myself in as a way to soften the argument because you're capitalizing accusatory yeah like so many emails that i get

are like big chunks of

you know just like introductory lovely pleasantries which i appreciate and it is a thing that you have to do but we all feel like it's compulsory because that's that's what the rules the quote-unquote rules of email are i'm sick of them do you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah it's like like you're you're talking about the the pageantry of

hi bowen hope you're well hope you're well and that everything is yep yep has been amazing this holiday

amidst all this i hope you're not holding up okay amidst all this is so

real looping following up

adding this person to revisit they're just there are these just bullshit sentences that float around in our brains now because email is dusty so what how would you prefer we act on email like if i if i was to add someone to

we don't have to change anything about email there's no getting out there's no changing it i'm just saying i prefer you prefer texts you know matt's asking matt's acting like i like raised a hand to slap him but i'm just i'm just gesticulating

scares me he scares me

do you know what i'm saying yeah text is just so much more direct there's an expectation like within if I don't respond to you in 24 hours, then something's wrong.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Okay.

People can hide in the bushes of emails or strike from the bushes of emails.

They're metabolizing these things differently.

I feel like if I don't get back to your text, it's like easier for me to get away with that than it is for me to not respond to your email.

I feel like an email, I feel like an email is like

an official correspondence.

It's like I sent you an email.

There's like an intention with you.

I'm with you.

Whereas with text, maybe this is just the way I am about it, but it feels a lot more casual.

If I miss your text, if I don't get back to you on your text, a million other things could have happened.

If I don't get back to you on email,

even more million things could have happened.

This is what I'm saying.

Like, yeah, I don't know why I'm separating these two things.

I kind of see where you're going with this.

Because text is more casual, I guess, more person-to-person direct.

I was saying, I would say text is less casual.

It's more emotional, it has a different emotional register for people as they communicate through it because having someone's number is a different thing than having someone's email

that's interesting you know what i mean so

like if i have someone's if i have this person's number that it's like oh we're we're

this is where this is where i'm separating from you in the woods i believe okay because for me email is professional and text is personal.

So if you have my phone number, I see, I'm with you.

And you reach out to me and you text me, that to me does not fall under professional.

It's if you were to be professional with me over text that that would be not inappropriate but like i'm not taking things over text as seriously as i am over email so maybe that's the separation interesting because

and i think where the separation is because i i'm with you the whole the the whole way i'm like if you reach out to me over email with an official kind of correspondence that i have to like that wade through that I have to wait through and that is actionable for me in some way where I have to like respond.

I'm like

I'm just gonna let this sit here because I've got like more of these coming from people that I don't know from fucking Adam you know what I mean and then like I like I'm sure like it's the same for you like a lot of these official correspondences

if they do have to do with work and our jobs and like other people mediate that for us yeah you know what I mean yeah so that's why I'm like email is so like low stakes in terms of responses like it you communicate on email in a way you never would

You're just talking about me.

No, no, no, no, generally.

Generally, yeah, the world.

The world acts on email like crazy fools.

Like crazy fools.

Like, this is ours.

Hope you're well.

The rules of people.

If you come to you and said, hope you're well, you'd be like, where's the

hey, or you say, hey, robot, where's Stepford wives?

What'd you do with my best friend?

Where did he

go?

What did you do with him?

And then you see me in the corner.

Oh, please.

You rip off the duct tape.

I go, ah.

I'm sorry.

That's an important thing.

He went that way.

Your mouth hurts so bad, but you can't touch it because you're still

gagged from behind.

Not gagged from behind.

I guess gagged.

Tied up.

Being tied up is being gagged from behind.

It's actually Riller Culture Number 59.

Being tied up is being gagged from behind.

Kind of hot and horny

so listen we've all done i don't think so honeys we've talked about everything in culture i think if we missed something quite honestly what i would say to you is fuck off because we really tried very hard today and you broke ass we broke ass

okay well stay tuned for our recap episode yeah

stay tuned for that um because the thing is like there was actually too much pop culture to get to and i do think it's a good idea to encourage people to still stream the show i think so i don't i think let's not

spoil the soup.

No, we'll spoil the soup next week.

This is a reference to

the winner of the Matt Rogers, most Matt Rogers coded award and a nominee for record of the year.

And one thing I will say is that Remy Wolf absolutely destroyed her performance.

And I'm sure that's no surprise.

So we'll talk about this next week when the discourse has settled.

For now, just discourse about everything else.

Bye.

Oh, we don't, we have

to

so right.

What the fuck?

It's okay.

It's okay.

Why did you forget?

I'm sorry.

It's because you're high.

And I want you to know how many times I've had to stop him from eating on the mic.

No, no, don't.

I don't hear.

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