"Kakuna Gay Harden" (w/ Richard Perez)

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Look, Matt.

Oh, my.

Bowen, look over there.

Wow, is that the culture?

Yes.

Goodness.

Wow.

Las culturistas.

Ding.

Ding-dong.

Las culturistas calling.

Matt, would you describe yourself at any point in your life as a princess?

Hmm.

There was one time I dressed up as a little princess, and actually it was pretty visceral because my younger, oh my God, this is like not me having a flashback to a traumatic memory.

You didn't know this was going to unlock something, but it did.

My cousin Megan dressed me up in a princess outfit and I went upstairs in the princess outfit and I can tell I could in the moment know that it was not the thing to do because my parents and all their friends were like, oh, it's a little boy dressed as a girl.

The first sign.

You can feel the adults sort of like,

like, oh.

They slurped.

That's what I meant to say the whole time.

Like slurped.

When I went upstairs dressed as the princess, they went, as Boa just went, they went,

every princess hasn't like an origin.

Are you already in?

Sorry, sorry.

But now, Bowen, was there ever a time when you felt like a princess?

I can't say, I've only really felt like a princess in the presence of another princess.

You know what I mean?

And there was something really important about our guest.

One time when we were hanging out,

I don't even think you like anointed me as such, but you were just like,

well, we're we're princesses.

And I went, you know what I mean?

You started your jaw drop.

So do you feel like we should start a queens of comedy, but it's the princesses of comedy?

Because I am like, here's the thing is like, it's a big joke, but I do say I'm the prince of Christmas once a year.

So when you say princess, that's hard because I've just branded as something else, but I could change my brand if you guys were like, we were the princesses of comedy, like the queens of comedy before us.

Yes.

Oh my God.

I think that's a really important discussion we should have.

So our guest is

fabulous comedian.

You might know him.

Princesses of Comedy is title of that, by the way.

Princesses of Comedy.

Oh my God.

Look at, he's being a princess right now.

Can we cut to him?

Well,

he's threatened to sort of spike the camera the whole time.

And I said, that's going to be tough for us.

Someone who's having a conversation with you.

It's going to be tough for us because we're over here, but the camera's over there.

But I mean, this person knows

his frame.

He knows how to work the camera in a way that I don't think I've ever

seen.

Here's the thing is it's like, I kind of want to be the camera now.

I know.

Wow.

We need to talk.

We need to talk about all things, princess, camera, everything.

Okay, if you're listening to this,

I think this might come out.

Before his show, July 12th.

We're crossing our fingers.

This comes out in time for the Union Hall show on July 12th.

Hopefully you guys hear this in time.

We'll hear this in time.

We'll cut this out.

We'll be able to get down there.

I've got to get to Brooklyn.

Bark Slope, July 12th, Union Hall.

How would you get to Bark Slope from here?

Bark Slope?

Yeah, Bark Slope.

I would hop on the F train.

And I think I would, maybe I'd transfer at Barclays.

And I don't know if it stops at...

The Union Station.

The Union Street station.

Oh, no, you have to transfer at Barclays Studio R.

Take that to Union Street.

Yeah, that's how we'd get there from here.

And we record this podcast from, what would you call this?

55th Street.

Yeah, we're at the iHeart offices in a studio that we found out was originally made for Ryan Seacrest.

Feels very like Coca-Cola Lounge, American Idol era.

Yeah, yeah.

And then our guests sang the theme song from American Idol.

Do you perform this in the show?

This other shares, Richard Perez!

And by the way, there's other shows that are going to happen later on.

September, you said?

September, September, more September.

I have a solo show called I Have to Do This.

Yeah.

Huge, huge, huge moment in comedy, I think.

I have to do this.

I think...

Richard really rocked the scene

with the with his sensuality.

We need to talk about sensuality.

We have to.

Explain what it is to us.

Yeah.

Well, you know, there's definitely camera work involved.

Yeah.

And just kind of like, don't be scared to like look at it.

Who do you think?

Do you pretend the camera is somebody that you know?

I pretend it's like a ref that it's like a mirror like i just i'm kind of just like well because you know when you like act in the mirror you know when you do that you're always better when you're acting in the mirror than when you have a

i know what this looks like Don't you think, though, like sometimes I'll be in the mirror just giving?

And we can be like transparent.

Come on, we got to talk about gay mirrors.

Let's really get into it because how many times have you looked into the mirror and been giving?

I really have all the time.

All the time.

All the time.

And then outside of the bathroom, it's you know impossible to get a good hard.

Yeah.

It's so hard to get in there.

Yeah.

I would push for mirrors,

mirrors on cameras on all sets.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like it's a shame that we don't have a mirror here today.

I know for me, I don't know about for y'all, but the work that you'd get out of me if I just could act with the mirror,

it would be crazy.

Yeah.

Emma Stone found

worse than dead.

Jealous.

Threatened.

Wait, it's actually really cool to number 13.

Jealous?

That's worse than dead, to be calm.

When you're jealous.

Oh, I mean, there's that saying about it.

What is?

Is a disease or whatever?

Yes.

Jealousy is a disease, so get well soon.

There's also jealousy is the green-eyed monster.

Get well soon.

Oh, envy is the green-eyed monster.

Envy is the green-eyed monster.

And jealousy is

a disease.

So get well.

So get well soon.

Do you know who first said that?

Who was Meredith Marks?

Oh,

really?

Yeah, from House.

Well, I don't, like, I don't watch Housewives.

Like, I don't know that universe at all.

I think you, out of anybody, would really love it.

Really?

I feel like you'd like old New York.

Don't you think that?

Yes.

Definitely.

I think, like, I don't know, of course, like, my friends love it.

And

it's just such a big universe.

We both leave.

We both leave.

Got him.

Richards lied to us.

And then we wear two big poofy dresses.

You hear little like

princess.

Princesses.

Princesses.

Very.

Princesses.

Yeah.

Who's the best princess in media?

Do we know?

I'd say like

when I was thinking about us or the princess discussion, I'm like.

Yeah, what'd you see in your mind's eye?

Like Mario Party.

Oh,

yeah.

There's Peach, Daisy, and then there's another one.

Rosalina.

The princess of where does she come from?

She is from Mario Galaxy.

Yeah.

And she has a really tragic story.

Okay.

And you find out about it as you go to visit the library, as you unlock more worlds.

You read about her.

It's very much like a little prince.

Her parents die.

And they based Mystic River on her.

Yeah.

Did you ever see Mystic River?

I think actually it was on TV once.

Emmy Rossum.

And I watched

her character.

It's based on Rosalina's sister.

Oh, it was horrible.

And her dad is Sean Penn.

Yeah.

And he was like, that's my daughter.

And then Marcia Gay Harden in Rosalina's universe turned a performance bitch.

I think Marcia Gay Hardin is a princess.

Off screen.

Yes.

Wait, wait, wait.

Is that the one that was...

Wait, wait, wait.

You came to Las Cultrist and you don't know Marcia Gay Harden at all.

I do.

I do.

Was she the person who tells us who that

Was she an urban legend?

My God, I don't know.

I don't know that.

I don't know that.

I might be thinking of someone else.

She got like light eyes.

She got light eyes.

Yeah, she's like.

She plays.

Have you ever seen the movie?

Have you ever seen the movie Mona Lisa Smile?

No.

God.

The thing about me is I've never seen a movie.

No, that's okay.

That's okay.

Me.

He's seen movies.

I haven't seen movies.

I'm trying to think of a monoculture piece of work that Marcia Gayharden was in.

And it's hard.

But even then, like those, some of those, I'm like, I missed it.

And it's, and you're never going to watch it.

One day I could.

Same with like housewives.

Like one day.

If I broke both my legs, I would watch it.

I'd be caught up on all movies.

Yes.

God forbid.

Yeah.

But absolutely.

I think that's kind of...

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to list some movies that Marsha Gay Harden has been in.

And you guys tell me if you've seen this movie and if you think this movie qualifies.

Can I see what she looks like?

Yes, you can see what she looks like.

This is Marcia Gay Harden.

So just another zoom in for everyone.

That's Marcia Gay Harden.

That's actually her at the premiere of Frozen 2.

Okay, okay.

So I don't know if she played a role in Frozen 2, but I'm going to imagine that she was there for some reason.

Yes.

So her acting credits include.

The First Wives Club.

She played into someone in Dr.

Leslie Rosen.

I don't remember her in that.

I don't remember.

I don't know.

Meet Joe Black?

That's the gorilla.

Allison Parrish.

I know.

No.

Again, Mona Lisa Smile.

Julia Roberts is in that.

That's amazing.

If you haven't seen that.

No.

All right.

Have you ever seen the movie The Mist?

No.

Okay.

You know what?

How about 50 Shades of Grave?

She played Grace Trevillion Gray, who I'm only going to imagine must be a Christian Grace

mother, rather.

Sometimes I joke around when someone asks me if I've seen a certain movie.

I'm like, is it like 40-year-old Virgin?

that's your North Star?

I guess.

Okay, and now I'm like, what about TV?

Do you watch The Morning Show on Apple TV?

I'm watching The Morning Show.

She plays like a county reporter who's like, I'll get you.

She's always telling, she's always telling, you know, the art on this.

Yes, of course.

It's like her adversary is Jennifer Anniston, who's like one of the top morning show hosts.

And she's very like, sorry, Rita Skeeter vibes where she's like, hmm.

Cute.

What can I report on?

Steve Corell's in it, too.

Diff Corell's in it.

Yeah, yeah.

Briefly.

Briefly.

Okay, I got you yeah his character drove off a cliff oh my god by accident well i think your vibe is very marsha

gay harden what do you mean what do you think of that name gay harden

i think that it's a great last name and i think gay harden

i think that

i relate to it yes something resonates do you harden

so i actually do quite a bit what's the name of the pokemon that has Harden as a move?

Medical.

So if Kakuna was part of the LGBTQ plus community, he would be Gay Harden.

Yeah.

Kakuna Gay Harden.

That actually might be title of matter.

Kakuna Gay Harden.

Wow.

That's such a joke for Bo and Yang.

Yes.

Maybe for you.

I also loved Pokemon.

Like I, at my dad's apartment, we like, he still has the binder.

I like left it there.

We had 150.

You all

got to get all of those.

It's time to sell.

Really?

They're up in market value.

Nick is nodding, our camera guy.

Are you serious?

Sell, sell, sell.

Yes.

People will buy them.

Yes.

For how much?

Yeah, like what would you say?

Charizards, if anyone's interested in

it, could go for, I think, like 5K.

You're fucking giving me.

No, Nick, what do you think?

Thousands.

Thousands?

That's what I'm saying.

5K?

I will never forget going to the Pokemon cart.

I called it the Pokemon card store, but on Tuesdays we would go every week.

And I could never buy a Charizard because it was $22.

But my mom was like, hopefully you'll find it in a pack because I'm not allowing you to pay $22 for a card.

And then one day.

And now she's eating her fucking hat.

I don't think she understood, nor did anyone, that it would be worth thousands.

But no one understood except us.

Do you know what that's true?

Yeah.

Like we, it was so like tremendously valuable.

Like the feeling of getting one of the cards you wanted and also you would trade for it there was such there was a bit of strategy to it of course as well and just trying to like yeah you know every card was so purposeful or something and the holographic of it all like that was just like yeah i remember those were like the first deals like i remember like i know like i got in a fight with my cousin and my aunt called our house because he regretted trading a Blastoise to me for a Venusaur.

And I was like, I'm sorry, but we did say no trade backs.

And that's a verbal contract.

You got the Blastoise.

I got the Blastoise.

That's a better card.

100%.

I remember, I don't remember which card it was, but there was someone from

like my, I think that was in fifth grade or something, or middle school.

That must have been hard.

And yeah, this is my princess origin story.

So what happened was there was this guy who was so sweet, very friendly guy.

Gay?

No, I don't know, but I don't think so.

That must have been really hard.

Yeah, and

he

basically what happened was he told me he had a card that I was looking for.

And he was like, yeah, I actually have three of them.

And I'm like, you have three of them.

He said, yeah, I do.

And so then I was like, well, I have this other one.

Like, I think I had two of like a rare one.

And I was like, what if we trade?

And he was like, yeah, absolutely.

Like, I can meet you or if you want to come after school.

Like, I forget what happened.

We somehow, basically what ended up happening was I had my mom drive me to his house.

Yeah.

But I feel like,

I don't think he actually explicitly was like, we are, you are meeting me at my home to exchange.

I think he was more like, like, sure, like, we could do it.

This is like when a guy on Grinder is like, yeah, I'm horny.

Yeah.

I'm down.

It's like, he's like, oh, I'm horny.

I'm horny.

You show up.

It's nothing.

It's like I get the childhood version of him.

You're like, come over.

I'll trade you like my Clefairy.

You shop and there's nothing of the sort.

He allowed

me to do that.

He didn't show me any cards.

He was just like,

he was like, oh, it's actually at my, it's at my dad's house.

Like, all the cards are something.

He just wanted to play with you.

He wanted to play with you, but he keep, he catfished you.

He meowthfished you.

Yeah.

Meowthfish.

He meowthfished.

Oh my god.

Remember,

what was the fucking deal?

Mew was sort of like Mew was like,

kind of like emo a little bit.

Misunderstood.

Do you think Mew is emo?

Mew is a little bit emo.

Oh, no, Mewtwo.

Mewtwo is emo too.

Yeah, Mewtwo is emo.

Mew was like, was like, this is fine.

Like, God is like,

and then it turns into like

he hardens.

Yeah.

He hardens.

He gay hardens.

He gay hardens.

Was that poor guy, Mewtwo?

And then there was that movie, the Pokemon movie.

No, I distinctly remember that because Mewtwo was very scary.

Yeah.

Because capable of anything.

I don't know what that song was.

I think it was Kitty Horace.

Well, not for nothing, but Dark Horus is kind of Mewtwo coded.

Like, it's scary as a song.

It's so scary.

Richard, I think you could, like...

Would you ever an a cappella?

No.

You have an ear.

You have an ear for like mimicking instruments.

You could be a mimic.

Oh my god, thank you so much.

Well, we have plans to do a singing show together at joe's pub oh that's amazing

i'm only remembering now in the moment that we did we decided we were going to do a cabaret night yeah what what what would it be we'd sit on two ends of the stage and we'd do stand up at the same time yeah do stand up at the same exact time yeah our own very different energetic sets and then meet i'm like so tops be like and bottoms be like i'm doing like physical comedy like to get away with not like having written material i'm like dropping it low and chicken mask.

Let him get away with it.

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What's it like to have like juicy asses?

Both of you are juicy ass queens.

Please, I don't know.

I mean, like, in a physical sense?

Yeah.

Or like the energy.

No, you answer that question.

So Matt could drop it to the floor and people would erupt and scream.

You can take a picture from behind.

You've done like the bunny feet.

The bunny feet.

The bunny feet.

So if you don't know, Richard is,

I think, also very famous for his bunny feet photos.

Yeah.

Right.

It's like the feet peeking.

It's like, it's like you're taking a photo above.

Yes.

You're kind of like on your knees, like on the ground.

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Am I making people uncomfortable by

more comfortable now that I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad you addressed it.

I'm happy that we're just breaking down the walls.

Like, dude, it was an elephant in in the room yeah because i gotta say i i i i i have i have hank hill ass you have hank hill ass you're having hank hill has nothing

that's not true the hill

family peggy hill is the only member of the of the hill family

the hill that has an ass dad ass dad ass

so i have hank hill ass and i but you have you have some of the most iconic legs i was gonna say

i'd rather have a good ass but having having such strong legs does make your ass sit higher Like, you don't have no ass.

That's not true.

I understand that that might be a lie you're telling yourself, but like that's not true.

Catfish.

Like, I feel like my ass isn't like, it's not actually real.

Richard, it's all an illusion.

Can we just like not see it?

But like, do you want to like...

Can you get up?

I'm sorry.

Unless you're uncomfortable.

Can you twirl for us?

You twirl?

I mean, like, what?

Don't do that.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

No, no, no, no.

Also, what I'm wearing, I like,

I wanted to keep the illusion of like, I don't know, maybe I'm like arcade fire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's arcade fire.

Yeah.

You want people at home to watch and say, that's arcade fire.

Oh, my God.

Should we say the episode is with arcade fire?

One person.

Gay Harden.

Gay Harden.

Gay Harden.

With Arcade Fire.

But if you would have to actually have hit the episode to know that it was Richard Perez.

We don't should do that.

We want everyone to know.

We want everyone to know.

Right when they see the social.

Is this Arcade Fire?

You know that song.

I don't know.

It's like

it was where the wild things are.

Yeah, where the wild things are.

I might like them then because I liked that.

You have such a good, easy tone.

And every time I do hear you singing, I'm always like so blown away by how easy your access is and your resonators.

Have you ever smoked a cigarette or had an octa-alcoholic beverage in your life?

I, um,

I've

smoking, I don't know how to do that.

Really?

Like, I tried, and it goes back.

Like, I bought a pack of cigarettes when I was like a freshman in college because you know, it's like how you meet people too.

Like, everyone's outside.

That's what they told you.

That must have been hard.

No, like, where I went to college, like, my freshman sophomore year, I was in Delaware first.

And there is my Princess Origin story.

Princess of Delaware.

That was the cards.

That's Ashley Biden's vibe.

Oh, oh, girl.

OMG.

Wait, so you grew up in Delaware?

No, no, no.

I grew up.

No, no, no.

So I'm the princess of New Jersey.

Right.

But I did take a little bit of time.

I spent some time in Delaware.

For the taxes?

For the taxes.

And

I got in trouble with some stuff in Jersey.

So my parents sent me to...

Delaware for two years.

And so then, like, I.

Wait, stop.

What's the trouble?

What was the trouble?

What was the trouble in the world?

The Princess Origins, Deer.

story

um

well

um this must have been hard whatever this is must

oh

that's fake

are you serious

it's really good this is what I'm saying is like literally really good vocal your vocal stylings are like

Liza Minelli yeah thank you so much well your comedy stylings are like Liza Minelli.

Thank you so much.

What was the trouble in Jersey?

I think I was just like, I was indie.

And so like.

Say no more.

Yeah.

I was just.

You were indie.

I was a bit mew at first, and then I got mew too.

Oh, okay.

And so then, like,

I went to Delaware.

I was like, I got to get away from here.

Okay, okay.

Like, indie emo.

Like, I was just like, I got to get away.

Like, this is like, you guys.

How old were you in Delaware?

I was 18.

It was a freshman year of college.

Okay.

Okay.

So was this UD?

No, no, no.

This was a school that doesn't exist anymore called Delaware College of Art and Design.

It closed down like a couple of years ago.

DCAD.

DCAD.

What did they call it DCAD?

Like SCAD.

Yeah.

Like SCAD.

And their sister schools, they were sister schools with Pratt and Corcoran.

Oh, wow.

And so, like.

People generally would go there and then transfer to either school.

And so that's what my mission was.

I was like, I'm going to go here and then I ultimately want to get to New York.

And then wait, wait, when did you move to New York again?

2011.

Right on time.

Right on time.

When did y'all move here?

Huh?

When did y'all move here?

2008.

2008.

So we got here and then sort of everything changed.

You know what I mean?

Oh my God.

Were you here when they got bin Laden?

Because that was 2011.

I don't actually, I think that was in the beginning of the year, right?

Bin Laden was May.

I remember that.

Do you really remember the donut?

Don't we all?

Like, where were you in Bin Laden?

To be honest with you, I don't remember where I was when they got bin Laden.

I feel like I was in my

sophomore year apartment when I found that.

So you were in Delaware, though.

Yeah.

But no, the Thailand is.

But

when I moved to New York, the next day the earthquake happened.

What earthquake?

Which one?

There was an earthquake here.

There was not.

Yes.

Now you're in.

In August 2011.

This is Mandela Effect.

Yeah.

So then you moved in August.

That's you know what the Mandela Effect is?

Yes, yes.

Well, explain it then.

Tell us what happened with that.

You guys, Mandela Effect is something that can happen when you start to think that things are going a certain way.

It was always different.

Yeah, well, that's a great way of putting it.

What is it, Berenstein Bears?

Berenstein or Berenstein.

Oh, yeah, Baron.

Yes.

And it's Baron Stain in this timeline.

Yes.

Got it.

But you all feel like...

Do you remember the earthquake?

Honestly, no, I don't remember the earthquake.

I think I remember one happening more recently.

There was, yeah, there was one last summer.

Yes,

there was one last summer, but then it hasn't happened since this one in 2011.

But you know, even when I'm in LA, I don't feel them.

My group chat will be like, earthquake, all caps.

And I'll be like, what?

Really?

And I'll be like, I didn't feel it.

I never feel them.

Wow.

I felt them maybe a couple times, one One time famously when we were in Palm Springs in a restaurant.

That was fun.

Not fun.

I'm sorry.

That was shocking.

That was shocking.

Woo!

When he's knocking down.

Cut, cut, cut, cat, cut, cat, cut, ow.

Me when the big one hits.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Just like tossing it and masking.

All right.

See, the vocal quality.

I'm telling you.

Well, I mean, listen,

I guess we just have to stop smoking.

We just have to stop smoking.

Well, okay, yeah.

So, okay, weed for me, cigarettes for Mo.

So my princess origins.

So, like, I

so I went to this very small art school and

just

there was basically two dorms, like, or an apartment building that, like, students lived in.

And then there was a dorm and then the school, which was, like, really small.

Okay.

And people would hang out outside the dorm just like smoking cigarettes and like whatever.

And so I was like trying to make friends.

And so this what I was, you know, 18.

So I was like, okay, I can buy cigarettes.

So I went for it.

And then I just, I don't know, anytime I've tried to smoke, I just like end up like coughing for like 30 minutes.

And I don't know how to like inhale.

Same with what

I'm saying.

Right.

You're not supposed to.

No, I'm sorry.

You are.

I will say this: like, it takes me at so.

When Bo and Yang whips out cigarettes, which is every day.

Not really, but sure.

Has it been more recently because we've been doing a lot and the sort of incredible way?

What is it with you in cigarettes?

Like when you whip out a cigarette, like why are you doing that physiologically?

Is it for stress?

Oral fixation and stress.

It's like,

let's say, I'm going to say it's like six a week.

Okay, and I do it for community, which is like I would never think to buy it by myself, but when there's one around, like I will have a cigarette with Bowen or a friend.

right um but it takes me a second every time

to not cough right i'm not because i smoke so much weed and that is of course a different mechanism even weed too like i tried to get into it and every time vaping is what i'm like oh vaping

over hookah bars like

well especially when you first moved to new york did you have the same experience when i first moved to new york I was going to hookah bars all the time.

Oh my God.

I'm like, I'm a fucking adult.

The hookah era of New York.

Remember Horace on Avenue A?

I actually do.

Yeah, I think it's still there.

Really?

I think it is.

It's a hookah bar.

Like, the theme is like

right by the bagel place.

Tom King

or whatever.

There's probably a lot of bagel places

in New York City, huh?

Anyway, we can't be sure.

Yeah.

You had a whistle tone.

Can you do a whistle tone?

Try a whistle tone.

Yes.

No, that wasn't.

Oh, God.

Oh, my God.

I feel scared.

Yeah, that's probably cool.

Spread your wings and fly.

Did you have a salt home when you were young?

I would have been a little bit more damaged.

I did, actually.

I used to listen to,

I would visit my dad on the weekends and he would buy me like Mariah, the Mariah Carrie.

Good dad.

He bought me like her greatest hits album, like the black and white one, the number ones.

And then he also bought me the Celine Dion one, um one of them the the one that's like all the way yes yeah yes all the way and then the same and then uh whitney whitney the greatest hits yeah

that was such a good cover the whitney one is great because the first one the red one is the ballads and the blue one was remix

yeah yeah so whitney had so many good ones yes she probably out of the three of them that was probably the best greatest hits yeah definitely takes you on such a journey

yeah it's such a journey there's a remix of queen of the night on that yes incredible

yeah see what i'm saying oh it's so good

so like my dad like on the weekends we would go i'd i'd visit him and he would

Bring me with like he cleaned offices on the weekends.

He cleaned offices and listened to divas?

No, no, no.

Like on the weekends, like he would like drive us there, like me and my brother, but then we would like hang out.

Sometimes we'd help him, but mostly we were just like, there were vending machines with free candy.

So we would just like hang out.

Such a thing is going to your dad's office where there's free soda free candy.

And I'm like, perfect.

And I'm like, I'm in hurry.

And so, would you invite me along the way?

I would have my headphones on blasting.

Addison Ray.

Yeah, literally.

You are Addison Ray Code.

You're the Addison Ray of Connie.

You really are.

That's the princess that you are.

Princess Addison.

Oh, my gosh.

That's a good title.

That's a good title.

Kakuna.

Princess,

Princess Addison.

Princess Addison, Arcade Fire.

Gay Harden.

Gay Hearted.

Kakuna.

Might be too many words.

No.

Oh, no.

Really?

But just make sure my name is first.

Okay.

Richard Perezza, Princess Addison, Arcade Fire.

Well, you're really quiet.

I can't really understand you.

Well, I bet.

Are you doing ASMR?

Just make sure you guys sing, include my name, please.

We'll include your name.

That was just a bit.

I think, on the subject of your voice,

unless this makes you uncomfortable, because I did earlier ask you to show your ass to everyone, which I don't know why.

But I think, I think,

what is it about your sensuality as a performer?

Because it's really magnetic.

You lead with it.

Oh my god, thank you.

What is it about my sensuality?

Well, because I think one of the things that shook

me, I'll always remember this, is just the moments of you

posting videos where it's it's you know pov of you of you getting

that was i think that was when it changed for me too i was like okay this is a comedy central comic to watch

yeah

and and which the companion piece to that is the album which i was trying to find the other day by the way and i couldn't was the alama draft house film

that gets interrupted because someone

because people are using their phones or something because people are using their phones and you you came on screen as the general manager of the Alma draft.

I was saying, guys, put your I was so serious, put your phones away.

But

it would be during these love-making scenes while you were in

the closet at work.

We were like, ah, ah!

See, I try to do it now.

And I felt self-conscious, and I was like, I can't totally tap into that.

Maybe I used to.

I mean...

I mean, I definitely am so self-conscious, like, sexually, but like,

I,

I don't know.

I think, maybe it's because

if the real thing is happening, I'm like,

what?

Yeah, so it's a place to externalize.

If it's just like, I'm like

the fantasy of it, then I'm like, I can totally just like.

I've been trying to merge the two a little bit.

Yeah, I'm trying to, too.

You know what I mean?

I recently had phone sex, which I've never done in my life.

And it was so just on the phone or like on the phone.

Okay, yeah.

Wow, that's a vintage phone call.

Yeah, just a regular phone call.

And it was spontaneous.

and like

um the we were on the phone for like an hour and a half hot it's like so

we were like building a scene and like we were we were like doing

a scene yeah it was so fun like and the and i was like getting used to like my voice earnestly saying things or whatever

and i'm just like i'm like this is my sexual like

self like my true like desire or something I'm like, let me like try to like own it right now.

Cause I hide behind it as like joking around and stuff, but you know, and being like, Yep.

You know, doing these bits and even like live performances and stuff like that.

But I was like, let me try to like express this in a true way.

And then after like 30 minutes of that, then we were like, so like, where did you grow up?

Yeah.

So it started in a sexual place.

Yeah, Pillow's okay.

Pillow's good.

You know, I actually think that people are onto something with this thing of like, if you like somebody really with gays, like

have sex first and then go to dinner and stuff, because then you don't have to like negotiate whatever the hell that all is.

You know what I mean?

Right, right.

If you, if you find that you can get on the same page as someone, like, oh, we like each other and we're sexually interested in each other, I've actually found that that's actually a nice way to date someone is to be like, okay, we're, we're not in our heads the entire time we're hanging out thinking about whether or not we're going to kiss, whether or not we're going to have sex, how far it's going to go.

Like you figure that out immediately.

If that part doesn't go great, then you kind of save the time.

Totally.

Not to say lead with sex and like, that's better, but I'm just saying as an option, it's been, I think,

especially if you get in your head, like to kind of like break the ice that way.

Exactly.

And then, especially because I feel like every date I'm getting better with it, but I feel like I'm like.

Performing a little.

Or I'm instant that.

And I'm also thinking like the whole time, it's like there's like an intrusive thought.

It's just like, he's on into.

He's on N2.

He's on N2.

he's not attracted to D, he's not attracted to those things.

I was like, he's looking at his eyes shifted.

He's like, yeah, like, oh, he's, he's disengaging.

For me, it's, I'm always fixated on whether, it's not about sex, it's whether or not we're going to kiss at the end of the day.

Yes.

Oh, my gosh.

I go crazy about

it.

But I can feel the dates ending.

Like, I'm like, what's going to happen?

When we say bye, what's going to happen?

And I'm just like, and then

on the outside, I'm just like, uh-huh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

To the point where I'm like, when the food comes, I actually get, I get upset.

Why do you get upset with the food?

Because when the food comes, it's like, oh my God, like we moved on to another stage of this.

We're getting closer to the moment where we're going to find out that part, right?

That's interesting.

That's entirely an anxious response.

You identify with that?

A thousand.

It's because we were actually just talking about this on the walk over here.

Like we have two very different responses to being

anxious.

Yeah.

Like I have like a very anxious response to things and he has like a more like, I guess what you call it like a depressive response.

Yeah, it goes down.

I go, okay.

Like, and then, and then it's just a downward slope.

But both of them.

Do you mean like, do you kind of withdraw or something?

Are you like, this is like close.

I withdraw.

And this is, to Matt's point about leading with sex or just starting with it being, I'm going to say, for me, it sounds like the better option because this is what happens.

I've been on either side of this where.

You go on dates, they're great.

And then for some reason, the anxiety of sex coming up is the thing that like, and if it doesn't go well, like, what does this mean?

Then people pull away or they pull away before the sex even happens.

So then, if you're ripping the seal off of sex, and then you're like, okay, pressure's off.

Let's just get to know each other, like, like the pillow talk after the phone sex.

Yeah, then it's like low stakes.

Right.

You're also a lot less likely to perform like, or like be fake or be a version of yourself that's not true if someone has already seen like

their hole up close.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that's true.

You know what I mean with balls, he went to a hole.

I mean, that says a lot too, Depressive, anxious.

You know what I mean?

That's just sort of the binary up and up in here.

Balls, hole.

Balls.

Balls is depression.

Balls is depressing.

For me, balls is depression.

Yeah, I was in hole is so anxious.

I just don't.

Balls, for me, maybe it's because mine are so sensitive.

And whenever guys are interacting with them, it's like hurt.

It's like painful.

When guys want me to like...

Lick their balls suck their balls like I'm always just like okay.

I mean, it's not my favorite.

I don't like balls, but I love balls.

Yeah, I don't crave it, but I'm like, this is cute.

Balls, balls like depression.

It's just something that's there.

Are you balls?

Do you like balls?

Balls, it depends.

Every now and then, I'm like, balls.

Are your balls resilient?

I would say they are.

I've got good balls.

Yeah, I think I do too.

I don't think so.

I think mine aren't good.

I mean, they certainly work.

It's just like I'm producing.

Yeah.

But I don't, but they are incredibly sensitive.

Holes are.

I am so

sensitive.

Hole Hole is anxiety because it is.

You should do an impression.

You should do that in the show.

This is my impression of a hole.

Yeah.

How do you know the teacher?

How are the hole?

Nice to meet you.

I feel insane.

Oh, my God.

Wait, that's she.

Yeah.

That's hole.

I'm so much more comfortable with my hole than my balls.

Like, my hole, please.

I want to get there so much.

Oh, golly.

I really want to get there.

I take it.

I got it.

Damn.

Damn.

I don't know what it is.

Like, but maybe it's because I, well, whatever.

Like, I was so, so, so not

okay with anyone like

doing whole stuff to me until later.

Yeah.

And then when I became that way, I was like, oh, my God.

It's like, that's the one of my life.

Yeah.

And you know what's crazy?

It's like, that's a Mandy Moore song.

And I think like, you know, she loves the podcast.

Like, she's probably going to hear me talk about like, oh,

my love.

I'm leaving it down.

So I lay my head back

down

and lift my

hands

and pray

to be only yours.

I pray.

To be only yours,

to be only yours, I know now.

You're my only

home.

You know, it's not the first time we've done that entire part of the song.

When was the last time?

2011, the earthquake.

I think it's happened since, but maybe.

Maybe we will have to do that.

I have to imagine I probably do.

I don't know about y'all, but probably that comes up as a thing to sing at least once a year.

Absolutely.

Oh, at least.

Yeah.

It's one of the great songs, actually.

It really is.

I would call it one of the great scenes in film.

Absolutely.

I also just love

our recently re-watched Laguna Beach, and there's that one.

Oh, my God, you did?

Did you see L Claw?

Kristen Cavallari's podcast?

No.

LC is on Kristen Cavallari's podcast.

It's huge.

This is recent?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have to.

That's culture.

I'm immediately going to watch that after this.

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Now tell us what that is in terms of

Kristen and LC.

Your recent viewing of Laguna Beach.

Yeah.

What was your take on Kristen and LC?

I would love to know in a 2025 lens.

I think, I mean,

okay, from mind you, I watched this five years ago.

Okay.

And a lot has happened since the day.

So you were watching A 2020.

Yeah.

So everything was all fucked up.

It's a blur.

Yeah.

I don't necessarily remember so the details of their dynamic, but I do feel like,

I mean, I don't know.

I relate to both of them.

I feel like L C was a bit more like

maybe insecure or something.

Like she seemed like she to me.

Like she was always L C was always, I mean, obviously, like, she's the iconic.

She's what?

She's bald.

Or she's bald.

No, Kristen Kyle is

definitely whole.

Kristen is whole.

Yeah.

No, for sure.

And this is a binary that makes perfect sense to me.

No, Elsie is balls.

For sure.

Yeah.

For sure.

Remember when Elsie didn't go to Paris?

Yes.

Which I think

every day.

I think about that every day.

What would you have done?

I would have gone to Paris.

Well, yes.

What was the name of the guy?

Justin Bobby.

No.

Jason Bobby.

Oh, that was Jason.

Jason.

Oh, my God.

Justin Bobby is Audrina's guy.

And what's your take on Audrina?

Audrina is

like, I love her.

I love her.

I love a person that's just like kind of like smiling and kind of like dead-eyed a little bit.

This is Audrey.

She's like, I don't see like what I did wrong.

Like, I don't know, but I feel for her.

Like, I feel like she is like put in these circumstances that are like stressful.

Right.

And she's kind of trying to like make

things.

I don't know.

She's trying to diffuse things.

Yeah, she's trying to diffuse.

You know, I really relate to that.

Is this anything that I'm doing right now?

Like, this is my Audrina impression.

That's Audrey.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

You know, I will never forget that.

When she's uncomfortable, when she's happy, like,

it's, and it's kind of like, like, I don't know, even like Corny Kardashian has that too.

I would agree.

Where there's always a smile while like.

They're the same tone.

I love that.

Yeah.

Like, I love that tone.

They're the same tone.

They're.

Wait.

What is that tone?

Audrina is pussy.

If

Lauren is balls.

You know, Audrina, this is my favorite Audrina Patrick fact.

and this is something that I think

only I know.

Okay, if any of you know this, please let me know.

Audrina Patridge won an award for acting in Sorority Row, it was called the Show West Female Star of Tomorrow Award that they gave to the entire cast of Sorority Row, which people forget that Audrina Patridge was in it, but so was Rumor Willis.

Oh my god, the entire cast won this award, and I swear to God, it was the same award that like Anne Hathaway had won when she was like a new star.

Oh my god, every I'm gonna look why don't we know this?

I'm gonna look up like the history of the female I don't know what sorority row is either, but I want to I want to share a quick thing about Audrina Patridge.

What?

You don't know Sorority Row?

No.

You're a horror girl.

Oh, no.

I'm not a horror girl.

Share this, share the Audrina story.

I will never forget my Audrina sort of thing that I will always associate with her is there was an Us Weekly, mind you, this was the mid-aughts, where they were doing celebrity diets.

And her quote, it's her in a bikini and then in a big burst in a bubble, it's her quote.

She says, sometimes you don't have to eat the whole burger.

I'll eat a burger and I'll have a couple bites and I'll put it down.

And I thought at the time, wow, that's so incredible.

The most, I'm sorry, ED thing.

Total.

Like these poor girls were fucking on TV, like in their, in their teens and 20s, like being like fucking like picked apart.

Like, I don't know if it, I don't know if the culture was ever good around reality TV, like in terms of the audience, but like, I feel like with those hills, with those Laguna Beach Beach Hills people, I'm like, oh my God, you, you were, you were put through the fucking ringer.

And I remember watching one episode of The City with Whitney and then being done.

Literally, I'm right.

Okay, wow.

In 2009, they won the female star of tomorrow.

And literally, so has Vanessa Hudgins.

So has Chris Pine,

Emil Hirsch,

Abigail Breslin, Child of Buff.

This goes all the way back to Mark Hamill won it.

But Audrey.

Emma Roberts in 2007.

Look, Brandon Ralph, Jennifer Hudson won in 2006.

Wait, what's this award called?

It's the show West Star of Tomorrow Award.

And they would pick a male and a female and they would give out the awards.

And Audrina Patridge, as part of the cast of Sorority Row, won this award.

Wow.

Who's the most recent person?

It was.

Yeah, they're still doing it.

I bet she's a fantastic actor.

I don't think I've seen her work.

I think you kind of have to be like a bit of a vessel.

A vessel.

Let's see.

I think LC was maybe had more like was too much had too much space in the vessel.

You know what I mean?

Like I was more

love Lauren Conrad for life.

Yeah, I love her.

I was watching for Spencer and Heidi.

Oh, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I mean, I could literally look at that list all day and see like

it's like it's like a best new artist thing.

It's like who actually made it?

Who didn't?

Like Haley Steinfeld 2013 made it.

Totally.

Anyway, yeah.

No, Justin, fucking Heidi and Spencer, like, they had staying power too.

They did.

And still, like, they're still in the culture in a way.

Absolutely.

You know what I mean?

Oh my gosh.

It makes news when she...

Didn't she?

Yeah, because her wig artist,

like, just popped off.

Kind of pulled a prank on her on a carpet recently.

Oh, really?

Pulled a prank on her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Put her in a bag.

Her hairline was low.

That's all.

That's all.

And it happened to me.

Oh, yeah.

Truly, truly.

It does.

It happened to me.

On SNL?

No, those hairlines are right.

No, Jodi, Queen.

Yeah.

Wait.

I want to know more about this.

Well, you don't have to go into it.

Here's a question.

Richard Prez, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

This is what we actually have to have answers to.

Right.

Okay.

By the way, I've listened to this podcast for years.

Stop.

Since, like, I got into it around like 2018.

Really?

Yeah.

And, like, I used to work like at an office job and I would just like listen.

This is before I was performing.

And I would just like listen to you guys and and like find out about like so many comedians I'm like now like such a big fan of and some I've become friends with and like you know

I didn't know that.

You didn't know that

you never told us that.

You never told us.

Thank you for that.

And so this like feels so surreal to be chatting with both of you

as a guest.

And we burst into tears.

But I've actually, and I remember one time I met you really briefly at Metro.

Uh-huh.

But it was like such a quick exchange.

And I was like, so starstruck.

And I was like, I was like, hi, Bowen.

I listened to your podcast.

I love it.

I was like, I can't see.

And you repeat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think you put your hand in my face.

And then you get a shot.

I'm trying to take my shot.

Yeah.

And then you took a shot of your approach.

You had a big, poofy dress.

Yeah.

You made your ass look fatch.

Oh, so you're gaslighting my ass now.

Well, no, you, you, you, it had the bounce.

Oh, my God.

That thing.

I always wondered what that that knew that was.

No, that's a gay thing.

It's like, we all want to know what that is.

We all wish we had.

I know.

I think of like Cinderella.

Yeah, like Cinderella's mother.

Like,

come, come, come, girls.

And they were leaving.

Yeah.

And they bounced.

Come, come.

Come, come, come, girls.

And they would say, and then they would snarl on the way out.

Because here's the thing about Cinderella's stepmother and the sisters.

They at least knew they were awful.

Yeah.

They knew they were rotted.

They never even tried to be nice.

They were never,

they lived it, snorted it, and fucked it.

Yeah, truly.

Yeah.

Truly.

So what was the culture that made you say culture?

All right, so sorry.

So sorry.

So funny enough that we're talking about the hills and all this stuff.

I wrote down in my notes that my

culture...

Okay, so this isn't.

Okay.

It's the year 2007

is what I will say is my answer for like

culture that made me say cultures for me.

Like I feel like it's such a big year in media culture, like the world, but

even just like personally for me, I feel like that was definitely like a time that I took things in in a different way and especially trying to visualize like what my life could look like and starting to have like really more vivid dreams of like, oh, like a city life of, you know, either LA or New York or, you know, Gossip Girl came out that year.

Like

there was, I don't know, even like the music, like getting more indie and stuff like that.

Like, I feel like that was around that time.

What were the touch points?

So, gossip girl, Brittany, VMAs.

Gossip Girl, um, Britney, Blackout.

Yeah, um, Blackout, of course.

Uh, I started working at Panera Bread.

Um, was this already so?

Panera Bread was already huge, though, right?

This actually,

Panera was.

Panera was like the new girl in 2007.

I literally, Panera Bread Bread will always live on the same byline to me as Kristen Cavillar.

I mean,

I do feel like they were both

at their imperial phase at the same time.

Panera Bread and Kristen Cavillari.

And by the way, I have Panera Bread like three times a week.

You know, I have the UPIC 2.

Yeah.

All the time.

But...

I can recognize that it was around that time that they were at their peak.

UPIC 2 is still to this day one of the the best food systems

series.

Absolutely.

100%.

Absolutely.

And you don't need more than that.

No, no.

Here's what I'd say: you get your half sandwich, and I always do get the bowl of soup.

Yeah.

I sometimes get a salad.

I get the Fuji chicken hook of salad.

Sure, sure, sure.

Once in a while.

But you started working at Panera in 2007.

So I worked at Panera Bread in 2007.

What were you doing?

You were doing all the tasks.

They would move us around.

So

I mostly did cashier or I'd clean the

dining room, like duty

or like

soda stream too.

The Panera bread, didn't you think?

Panara bread was one of the chains and Delta Work knows what I'm talking about.

Yeah, yeah.

Always their soda machines, I felt were some of the better quality.

Yeah.

Really?

Yes.

Good carbonation.

Yeah.

But also, okay, like when I started working there, they told us in training that,

you know, like their

ethos or I don't know, like they were kind of just like,

we're a break from the day-to-day like life you know like work and all this crazy commotion that we're an oasis from all of that Panera is an oasis so we would never

100 Panera is an oasis that was what you were told so but they were like we would never open in a major city lying yeah we would never do that that's capitalism for you so then like that's 2007

but then what's crazy is that when because then like i when i went to college like when i was in delaware i would work at, I would be home on the holidays or summer, and I would work at Panera in Jersey.

Yeah.

And so then I would work there again.

But then I was officially done with it when I moved to New York.

And then, guess

they opened in 2011 in Chelsea.

J Street.

J Street Metro.

Metro Tech.

Yeah.

Because I feel like I associate the New York Panera as you know what I'm going to say.

It's the Chelsea one.

I was going to say Union Square.

Oh, but then I got

it.

It's the Union Square one, of course.

What?

It's closed.

The Union Square one closed?

I think so.

And so did the TGI Fridays.

This city is going down.

Zoron, save us.

Zoron, Zoron.

Babe.

Why is that not the theme song?

You can use it.

Zoron,

babe.

Babe.

This is huge for his campaign.

We're going to play this for him.

Please send it to him.

He can use it.

For free?

That's so nice.

Free buses, free song.

You give me the free buses?

I'll give you a free song.

Yeah, a little tip.

Wow, and you had texture on that one.

That was giving.

That was giving like Springsteen.

Yeah.

Do you ever like to ever think about snowing on a

at the end, like Jennifer Holiday?

You know.

The road.

Yes.

Yeah, so I started working at Panera, Brad.

And then also

I started going to New York City

for the first time like alone

or with friends,

without my parents.

And so

like

one of my friends, like she

moved to our town a few years prior and she grew up in Brooklyn.

And so she moved to New Jersey from Brooklyn.

So she and she was like so stylish, so funny.

She knew something about it.

She just like had fantastic taste too and like music, like everything.

I just thought she was so cool.

And so

like

me, her and like my like bestie, like we would go, like she would be like, do you guys want to come with me to

Soho?

To Soho.

And, you know, we can go shopping.

And, you know, I was just starting to make money at Panera Bread.

So, like,

I would save some of that.

And then we'd go to Soho and go to like American Apparel and like Urban Outfitters.

And like, that was like couture.

And like, that was at first.

So like, no one, this isn't in our malls just yet.

Yeah.

Or if it is, it's like far away from the one that I

remember American Apparel being, I actually distinctly remember walking in there right across from NYU Tish.

There was one.

Yes.

And I remember being like, I'm going to buy something nice for myself.

myself i'm gonna really splurge and spend 50 bucks yeah yes yes i was like 50 forest green zip up hoodie and those 28

um t-shirts that we turned to send the first wash but the deep fees were you doing a deep fee yes we all were come on if you're out here saying i never wore a v-neck

Yes, you did.

Unless you were Mandela Affecting.

Unless you were on a different timeline that merged with ours.

Don't act like you're not.

Don't act like you're not a hole.

Don't act like you're not bald.

Okay.

Exactly.

Even if it wasn't like a deep V, you were doing a V.

You were doing a V.

Because they did give, there was different iterations of the V-neck there.

Yeah.

Remember, there was the one, because I remember for a reality show, we had to wear them.

A shallow V, there was a shallow V, which I chose, and then there was a deep V,

which some people were choosing.

And it was the very frosted tipped vibes at the time where I was like, I know that's not going to age well.

No one's going to like later the pictures of you in the deep V.

Oh, my God.

But a deep V on someone who had tits was so important.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

I need to see that.

I need to see that.

I miss cleavage.

Yeah.

Male cleavage?

Any cleavage.

Well, female cleavage is still around.

Not as much.

Yeah.

You remember a couple years ago when people were doing the thing, like male celebrities were doing the thing of like just a jacket, nothing underneath.

Right.

Yeah.

And then you knew it was over when the other two made fun of it.

I like it.

I was like, I dang it.

I beg my friend.

My best friend, Olivia, I like beg her like every other day.

I'm like, just please show them.

You're a boob gay, like me.

Yeah.

Aren't you a boob gay?

Yeah, totally.

I am.

We're out here.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And I'm just like, show it.

Come on.

What do you want to see?

Like, the whole thing?

Yeah, I don't know.

I'm always like joking with her.

I'm just like, she's like, what should I wear to like this event or whatever?

And I'm just like, well, I'd have to see

body con, like fucking like tits pouring out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, just like a really like body con, bring that back.

Yeah.

I want and she's like, no,

fuck her.

I want, I want body con for guys,

yeah, me too.

You know what I mean?

I would wear that.

Body stocking for guys.

They have it.

I know, but it's like, it's like, it's like a wrestling singlet.

You know what I mean?

Have you ever worn male spanks?

Yes, I have.

Kind of fun.

I was living.

I'm like,

yeah.

It's very amateur.

Diet Pepsi!

Zora!

They should collab.

Zoran and Addison, it would go off.

It would go off.

Honestly, Diet Pepsi with Zoran from back in the day rapping on a feature.

Oh, my God.

That's how you get elected this November.

Oh, my God.

That's how you get the people on the, that's how you get the homosexuals to come your way.

Oh, sure.

Yeah.

We got to get it.

Because the homosexuals are politically homeless now.

You know what I mean?

Right, right.

They don't know where to go.

They don't know where to go.

What's wrong?

Come here, baby.

Come here.

Come here.

Come here, baby.

Wait, so I think we need to really explore 2007 and depth.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

So.

Besides Panera, what was so great about it?

The Hills was peaking.

Yeah, Hills was peaking.

Gossip Girl just came out.

And like.

I also feel like, and this might be so dumb.

And I think maybe just like

growing up or something.

And also like things have changed tremendously, of course, since then, like in

the world.

But like I felt like at that time, like indie movies or indie music or something like felt like, oh, me and like five people in New Jersey know about this.

No one else.

Literally.

Like you truly

feel.

Yeah.

Like I'm like, no one else knows about passion pit.

But they were actually like huge.

They were very big.

And now things are just so much more broken down or something or much, much more.

It's ironic.

It's like things that you think would be more mainstream today are actually niche.

And then the things that you were like convinced that was, it was just really you and five other people were huge things.

Yeah, massive.

So like Rilo Kiley, like I remember like

VH1, like artists who ought to know or something.

That felt like a true, like, I'm like, oh, we're, we're stepping into this like

unknown territory or something.

Did you ever like, did you guys ever like go to like Borders or Barnes and Noble and like flip through like Spin magazine?

Yeah.

And you would be like, oh my God, Spin.

Oh my God.

Details.

Clap your hands.

Say, yeah.

Like, who are they?

Yeah, Sufion Stevens.

I'm specifically thinking of my friend Allison Guello, who was my bestie in high school.

And we would do these things together.

Passion Pit was huge for her.

And what you just said, which was Sufion Stevens, was huge for her.

And I remember we went to go see the movie 500 Days of Summer.

And I thought, it was like I thought I saw

Red Rocket.

I was like, I just saw the indie film of the year.

And it was literally like

a very successful movie

in 2007 juno came out yeah and that had a tremendous influence like what part on me just like the the tone of the movie the like the acting the music the soundtrack was just like oh i brought i used to bring a bag of cds with me everywhere i would i i oh i've always been headphones i've always been headphones i've always been headphones on yes my whole life like or at least like um

like the a few years leading into 2017 i get you know me too because i would always just like bring them with me and just kind of like and i brought a little bag with cds and and i would just like change them if i wanted to and uh kind of just like start living in my little world yeah um but also like it was a bit of a defense like or a protective thing because people definitely would shout things like from their car and something you know like say like unkind things and so i was just like okay like this i'm listening to you know cold play or like mariah why cold play or like vampire weekend like i'm like i'm good like i'm just like you know having a day right now and so do you know i felt like that just that soundtrack was just like really really influential and the i don't know that was like one of those projects that made me think like oh maybe i i don't know i want to in a real way i'm asking this did you feel like seen by the character I guess so.

Yeah.

I, I don't know.

Yeah, I get, I guess I did.

Yeah.

Because humor was a defense mechanism for her.

Totally.

Yeah.

Yes.

And

then also I just developed a massive crush on Michael Sarah.

Of course.

And that led me to like Arrested Development.

Oh, yeah.

And like Nick and Nora's Infinite Player.

Nick and Nora's a bit of the way.

And I was just like, okay, well, I got to move to New York.

That's beautiful.

Nick and Nora is such an underrated New York classa.

Yeah.

But Juno.

You know what scene I am like that Elliot Page doesn't get the credit for?

What?

Is when after like Jason Bateman like puts a move on Juno

and she, the character Juno, like gets in the van, drives, pulls over to the side of the road, and it's just that shot of Juno just being like,

like best car driving

so underrated.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's so heartbreaking.

Really good hands-on-the-wheel breakdown actor.

Yeah.

In a time when it wasn't a trope, right?

Not really, you know?

But also recently someone referenced this like as a joke, and I was like, it just like took me back because I haven't watched that movie in a while.

Right.

But the like part where they do a montage with like Sea of Love, like Hat Power.

I love that cover.

And she's like,

Juno is like,

I think he was always hers.

And then it cuts to like Jennifer Garner.

Jennifer Garner's so.

She framed the note that said, if you're in, I'm in.

Die out Juno wrote.

And I was like,

did you know that, not to interrupt, the jam sesh was an improvised line by Jennifer Garner.

Really?

I love that.

I love that.

Her read of.

You found us in the penny saver?

So

good.

Can you hear me, baby?

Jennifer Garner.

She was so good.

Jennifer Garner in that era was in her bag.

Oh, sorry.

By the way, 13 going on Thursday.

I saw that for the first time.

What did you think?

I was weeping.

I didn't expect it to be that.

oh, it's incredible.

Oh, she's so phenomenal.

By the way, like, also, all of alias.

Yeah, Jennifer Garner.

This was like what made JJ Abrams.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In many ways, whoa.

Like, this was like a spy.

Without Alias, there's certainly no loss.

There's no loss.

Because without Jennifer Garter, there's no alias popping off the way it did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They were in tandem.

No, Jennifer.

The pilot of Alias is one of the great pilots.

Like, it's just so good.

It's Jared Frieder's favorite show of all time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

He loves Alias.

Do you know, Jared?

No.

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I feel like we should just

like very intensely focus in on like

indie culture in that time because it did start to slowly fall apart.

I would say around 2013, 2012.

like that was we didn't we didn't know how good we had it back yeah a hundred is it because they started to say thing like the hipster thing like went out of control was that in was that in tandem with that

I don't know I don't I don't know like did your friend who lived who who came from Brooklyn did she like because we because we actually talked about this with Josh and Aaron on their episode a couple weeks ago where it was like behind every gay guy

like millennial gay guy is like a straight girl in honors English quote unquote who like told you like what to listen to, told you what to watch, told you what to do.

And so, this girl, Kayla Sterbach, one, uh, one year from my birthday, bought me the hipster handbook, which is like totally off of Urban Outfitters.

Go back when that was like the cool thing to do, buy books from urban.

Um, the whole thing was like hipsters don't call themselves hipsters, like, yes, like hipsters, like, just like move in silence and all these things.

And, like, yeah, I think it did like go out of control with, like,

I don't know, like, something,

you know what?

Something kind of like,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna put something out there.

Once like Solange came on the scene and like bridge the gap between like indie hipster music and like pop music in a way, like things started to like blend into one and then totally subsumed because Beyonce influenced Beyonce.

Solange doesn't get the credit for

it trickled up, you know what I mean?

I had literally just moved here and like losing you

came around and I was like in the music video Yeah, oh my god and same with like 212 like yeah Azilia Banks like

Dancing on my own like Robin.

I don't know like there was this like it did feel like there was there was like mainstream pop at the time and then there was like what the cool girls were doing, even in music at large, not to just say pop, because we actually in we were in Paris like a couple weeks ago because we were seeing Beyonce

and we were talking about Beyonce about how everything changed between I am Sasha Fierce and

Thor

and we were talking about like what it was and it was like obviously when she got rid of Matthew her dad as her manager but really I think it was Solange I think Solange being as cool and having less expectation than Beyonce

made Beyonce look at her sister and be like I want to do what my sister is doing or something closer to that.

Yep.

Because then was that, then after that was the digital title yeah the self-titled

man yeah because it was solange

and it was solange going to like a dirty projectors concert totally it was beyonc and jay-z going to a grizzly bear concert beach house beach house like that's that's when things started to sort of like blend yeah true you know what i mean yeah and i think i do think pop music swallowed a little bit of that up Totally.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

Yeah, because

it's, and now it just feels like

I can't tell if like how, what's where we're at now with like

pop music or like what would

be alternative or like well, because in that time I was like body.

Totally.

Like, right.

Like, I don't know.

My listening habits now are so weird where I'm like, I like 10 years ago, no, 12 years ago, 2013, I was like, you know what?

I am really going to curate these like, these like unknown artists, these like these like artists that feel very independent along with like my pop music.

And now it is all pop.

Yeah.

Like I've lost that like totally.

But also pop now means so many things as genre has broken down.

Like now it's like.

Like Addison, like,

you know, like she's pop.

She's

like so straightforward pop, but but that's because I think

And I think one of the reasons why she's like the pop girly of the moment is because it does, she's like weirdly playing with

a lot of retro-ness as well right

ray of light

that's what it feels like

and it and that what that's what makes it feel the most current like i feel like i have not kept up in the ways that i should when i'm like oh there's a great new like spoon album out right and i'm like and i don't know if i like gave them the regular listening that i

like since like 20

2011 2012 i don't even know what spoon is oh spoon oc coded soundtrack yes You know what I mean?

Oh, my God.

I had the soundtrack.

Yeah.

My bag of CDs.

That was in there.

Was it an actual bag or was it binder?

And then I had a binder too,

but I think I would have the binder home and then bring.

I forget.

It was too big.

It was too big.

So then I would just like bring a few CDs.

I would

select which ones I'm like, okay, I'm going to.

Was it Windows Media Player burning CDs or was it iTunes burning?

No, no, no.

These were, I bought oh you bought I'm sorry I was too scared to torrent I was way too scared to like down you thought of viruses or of getting either the cops getting down your door yeah I was literally like something will happen it did feel at the time on the internet too like it was like they'll come get me if I download something that's really yeah like the lawsuits that were happening in the news it was like oh that's like I'm next because I had a crazy napster like I was I was a thief I was like really really really downloading a lot of bad stuff

Not us.

The viruses that your computer would get to would be so crazy.

No, they'd be gnarly.

They'd be gnarly.

And then so much that the virus narrative really stayed with you for a while.

100%.

Like, I'm still

pretty scared of like downloading.

Well, then they said, oh, it's Apple.

You can't get viruses.

You really can't, but yeah.

You can't.

That's true.

You don't really get viruses on Apple stuff anymore.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Or do you list?

But I mean, who knows?

It seems like anything could happen.

Yeah.

This is the perfect device.

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That will be the

episode.

Oh my god.

Oh, Nick, you're not in it.

Isn't that cunchy to do?

You're going to break that.

Yeah, careful.

That is really cool.

I love it.

Make a play.

It's the new flip phone.

We were not working.

Hold on, I have to take this.

Whatever, bitch.

I love to be like such a little, like, a, it makes me feel like a little coquettish when I'm in my bathroom and I just like go do like that to the mirror and then I take a FaceTime while I'm like doing my shit.

What's up?

Talk to me.

What's going on?

Are you okay?

Yeah.

But I do feel bad whenever I do that in the mirror because that's what you see that you see the marks on it.

It's not a perfect science, but.

Right.

I need to get one.

I have two.

Do you have two?

But he's got two.

See, that's what he is doing.

Who's this?

This is balls.

Chiggly popped.

That's Chigglytop.

It's a fidget spinner on a Chigglytop.

This makes so much sense.

Yeah.

Balls, holes.

Balls, holes.

Yeah, literally.

Oh, my God.

I mean, this is sucking up.

Oh,

my God.

My phone broken because I would deserve it.

I think it's okay.

Oh my god, it's okay.

That's so pretty.

That is so pretty.

OMG.

So now you know it's really not yours.

Wait, and yours is like

for everyone at home that's just listening to this.

We are sort of looking at each other's phone gadgets.

And

I have something that like you can stick to the mirror and it keeps your phone up.

And Bowen has like.

gender Jigglypuff right now.

Yeah, what is

in the show?

What's the Jigglypuff's gender in the show?

Because Bowen thinks he knows, and I think I know.

I think Jigglypuff in the show

is he.

Okay.

That's not what Bowen thinks.

I think she.

She, her.

They, them.

They, them.

She, her.

I don't think any of the Pokemons have gender.

That's true.

They actually

don't.

They do.

They do.

Oh, actually, maybe some.

Is that actually true?

Yeah, of course.

Oh, you guys haven't played since Gen 1.

It's been so long.

So there's no female Pikachu.

There is a female Pikachu.

She looks the same as a male Pikachu.

There are certain Pokemon that appear different and evolve to branch out evolutionarily based on their gender.

So Nitoran.

goes to Nito

Nidorina or Nidorina and then Nito King, Nito Queen.

But then there are other things where like a female, you know,

a female, I think

Snorrunt goes into Frost Last.

So male snorland after the 150, and that means I should recognize that.

So, no.

This is the thing.

Some of them there's only one, right?

Like, there's only one of the three military.

There's one mew.

There's one legendary bird.

Yeah, of course.

Oh, legendary bird.

That's a mystic bird.

Jinx.

Jinx.

Yes, Jinx is.

There's some.

Miltank is always female.

Jinx is always female.

Yes.

You know what Pokemon I literally never got to fuck with because I didn't have the version of the game that they were in.

I think they were in blue version, and I only had red and then yellow.

Magmar.

Could never fuck with Magmar.

Never, don't even know her.

Never met her.

Him.

I don't know.

Yeah, it depends.

That one can be both genders.

There are, yes, most Pokémon are

any gender.

Yeah, they're all sexy.

Doesn't matter

if you love him or capital H-I-M-M.

put your paws up.

You were born to this point, baby.

My mother told me when I was young,

we were all both superstars.

We poor heavy money

on.

I'm on the right track, baby.

I was born this way.

Born this way.

When you first heard that song.

I was in Delaware.

And I,

yeah, that changed my life.

God got huge for you?

Yes.

Like,

that was like, because I also,

I wasn't, like, out necessarily to anyone.

I mean, in high school, there was a few people I would like talk to about it.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, there were.

Yeah, like, like, three or four friends.

Girlies?

Yeah.

And also, like, my best friend's also like a gay guy.

So, like, still to this day, same person?

No, but like, but we were, we like grew up together and like, and we had each other to like go through all that.

So that was like really, really, like, I was so lucky.

Yeah.

And, um,

yeah, like, I feel like in college, just going out and, you know, meeting new friends, like meeting new people, like, I was just so scared of like

that, like anyone finding out, even though I've always been exactly like this.

And so

like,

you know, but still, like, it was like, uh, you know, so then when that came out, like, I was kind of just like, I also had developed a crush on this guy that I became friends with.

It was my first, like,

crush on a guy.

And I got true.

Yeah, and I had feelings for him.

Yeah.

I had feelings.

So painful.

I was like,

did he never out?

I told him.

Eventually, I like broke down and I told him.

Was it that you broke down and told him that you were gay?

You broke down and told him that you were gay and had feelings for him.

Wow.

And

was he kind?

He was so kind about it.

I was like, I was very crazy about it.

And

yeah.

But that

came that.

That single came out in the beginning of that year, of like 2011, from my memory of it.

And then

that summer, like, that was the last time i saw him and i never saw him again but then that summer that album came out i think or something around that yeah 11 yeah bin laden right

is that true yes binladin and gaga and got and born this way so wait the same moment

skidmore

but born this way the single came out february of 2011 yes and yes yeah so wow so that was february and then that was when matt and i were like kind of like bonding for the first time, meaningfully.

We were like screaming it, singing it along, singing born this way.

And then I forget that that song was a part of that.

Yeah, I think

you know what?

This is famously, it took me a little bit longer to get fully on board.

Sure, but actually, it wasn't until art pop that I was like riding hard for Gagra.

Yeah, I definitely

also like I was for Halloween 2013.

I was like her VMA performance.

Ah, the mermaid or no, whiteboard.

Yeah, the whiteboard.

Oh, that was Jesus.

I can feel

your heart beating

in your hands.

My aura and yours

meeting in this

dance.

Hold on a trigger.

Ready?

It's show

time.

Just the teeth.

Oh, yeah, and everyone.

That is one of the best performances in BASIC.

I was like, into applause.

And then all those changes, the costume changes, like,

oh, my, I like, I re-watch that still when I need like inspiration.

It just feels like

Taylor Swift's favorite Lady Gaga song.

Really?

Applause?

She played.

Splamed before every Aerostor show.

Yes.

And Gaga says that Taylor Schwift came up to her at a party and was like, I love applause.

And she was at first like, okay, this girl coming up telling me she likes applause.

Why?

Because it's like the last single.

Yeah, yeah.

And then, like, legitimately, like, in private, people would be like, Taylor is blasting.

Applause right now.

She was like, okay, this girl's the real dude.

She actually loves applause.

It's

like, she plays it at the aerospace.

It's so good.

I'm actually, this is inspiring me.

And I'm going to go there for my own think so, honey.

And it's going to, look, it's, it's, I might be like

biting the hand what do you mean biting the hand uh just just you wait just you wait this makes me nervous no no no i'm not biting the hand i'm just saying like there's something that i want as as as a as a true little monster and we're all little monsters here definitely there's something that i think should happen but i you know i i say this as a as a fan of course yeah um but i just want to point out that born this way

People like you are you saying that there is a direct link between you coming out and that that album coming out?

Yeah.

Like, this is the thing that people don't realize.

That was like, that unleashed something in the world.

It gave permission to a lot of people.

Yeah.

Like, and you have, that's why people ride so fucking hard for Gaga.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Actually, found recently, I found, I have like a, a few bins of just like college, like, because I studied photography.

So like, I have like negatives and slot, like pictures, whatever, and, and like paperwork, notebooks.

And so, I found a little notebook, I guess, I used to bring around with me.

I don't really remember this, but I found a page that a loose page just like torn off.

And I wrote quotes that I guess I was inspired by.

I literally wrote, um,

like,

wait, what was it?

Like, born this way?

Yeah, it was born this way lyrics.

I forget exactly which one.

People don't really, I think it's so easy for people that have either been in cities for a long time or are exposed to, you know, more complex kinds of social dynamics and social scenes and

sexualities and things like that.

Like people take for granted how important it is to be explicit sometimes in messaging.

Yes.

Because I feel like, you know, before Gaga, obviously there was Madonna.

Madonna, like, was like...

you know, like her messaging was very explicit.

That's why people loved her.

And then, of course, like, she'd do so much work that was then more like, you know, for her experimental and things like that.

And then people were able to get on board with it, but only because she had been made an explicit connection with her fans and her messaging.

And so Gaga saying, you are born this way, and it doesn't matter what you are.

You're amazing.

Like that opens the door to then literally art pop, which was so many things hard to quantify, hard to boil down.

But it's like that with Chapel Rone, too.

You know what I mean?

Like Pink Pony Club.

This is a place that I'm explicitly

realizing for you where you belong.

And I think sometimes people, it's almost like why overcompensating, I think, is connecting so much too, because there is power and there is real like benefit to just being explicit and clear

because so many people need that, even if like...

We may not or you may not.

There was a time that you really did.

Right.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So.

Oh, that's so beautiful.

That's so true.

I think like it's so easy to to like, or not easy.

I don't, that's not the right word.

It's like we just take it for granted.

Yeah, absolutely.

We do.

We truly do.

And I think sometimes like to create things too,

and sometimes you want to hide behind the direct, the actual messaging of something, which totally makes sense sometimes as an artistic choice or an expression or something.

Like maybe sometimes you don't want to be so deliberately,

you know, whatever.

But like, and there's power in that too, and like people interpreting things for sure but but it is like

songs like that absolutely just like

enter your like heart and because they can come right to what it is it's like oh they're telling

me exactly what it is that i feel like that's exactly it like and i think sometimes there's like especially in 2011 like that whole because there was also so much like

you know, indie too, and this type of

that also had, like, was so expressive too and felt so like but also I felt like I was constantly on songmeetings.com like okay now what does this one mean?

I'm so stirred and like moved by these songs, but like what the hell does this mean?

Right.

You know, and I'm like I still look at genius.

Yeah, and I'm still

like kind of trying to

you know and I'm like well you know but but then at the same time something like that to come out and also to just like pierce through and and just like pull out your heart and just and just be like, you know, it's okay.

And yeah.

Cause it's funny how like

the lyrics to Born This Way are so straightforward and like the story of it is so straightforward, but she was doing such crazy stuff in terms of style and aesthetics and even sound

that it's like, it's like, it's, I remember when it came out, people were like, oh, this is like, like the cynical people were like, this is like more basic than something like bad romance or poker face that had like layers to it.

Like poker face is kind of like, when you read it on the page, you're kind of like, what is this?

Like it's, it's, it's dealing in metaphor.

Right, right, right.

Whereas like born this way wasn't.

And like there was this idea that like it was like more basic and that was bad.

But like, I don't think it's basic to be explicit.

I think,

you know, like you can, you just get away with other things and you find other ways to dynamicize, if that's a word, what you're doing.

Yeah.

Right.

That sounds like a word.

It does sound like a word, but I wonder if we go, if we looked it up, if it would be.

I think I actually have like

dynamicized.

Dynamicize Geharden.

Dynamicized.

I love it.

Dynamicism.

Can you do what you do?

You remember what you did during when we were doing the earthquake?

Oh, yeah.

When the earthquake happened, you guys liked it.

Yeah.

Wow, yeah.

We were like, whoa,

yeah, it was that.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Now we're getting started.

Oh, God.

Oh.

Oh!

This is the favorite.

This is the favorite bit.

Holy fuck!

Oh, baby!

Wait, this bit is my

second favorite bit that you do.

Do you know what the first one is?

I don't know what to do with it.

It's you on the roller coaster.

Oh, yeah.

Dude, because I've been part of my live show, which everyone should consider.

Have you ever seen anyone perform?

Being on a roller coaster?

Well, not only being on a roller coaster, being on a date.

Is it that you're on a date on a roller coaster and you're sort of pretending you're okay with what's happening, but you're very scared?

Yeah, I'm very scared to go on the ride.

I've never been on a roller coaster before.

Yeah.

And it builds up and it does.

One of the things he literally gets so right is the g-forces, like when it weighs on your body and you kind of pass out and you're kind of going.

I remember just, I forgot where you were doing it, but I was watching it, and I was just like feeling so seen because it reminded me of like Nitro, you know,

when you're going on the helix at the end, and you're like, oh, and you kind of pass out.

Oh my god, I remember Anna Gastier was there, too.

Oh my god, it was that show, it was the Chuck C music hall.

Yes, that was really Chuck She was so nervous.

Like, she was there in front of her.

Yeah, I know.

She was so, like, she was into it.

She was great, so like,

easy to talk to very warm whenever you whenever

because now we've been lucky enough to be around a lot of those women that like when we were coming which is like the ones oh my god and like it'll happen more and more but the thing is like you are nervous because you care so much what they think but then you realize they're just sketch comedians too right you know what i mean so it's it's so surprising how quickly it can go from like um

you know, the reverence to also being like,

like, there's that, there's that person making their noises and doing their things and doing their bits, which is really like who they are.

But yet, they are these ladies.

I just want to go up to Amy Poehler and be like, meep.

You could.

You could.

She would love it.

She would

tickle certain.

She would love it.

She's good.

We hope you're watching this, Amy.

Amy.

Amy, hi.

This is Richard.

You need to know Richard.

Lovely to meet you.

Thank you for listening this far.

If you have, and I hope you're having a good time.

I hope she didn't turn it off with the whole part.

Yeah, she's like,

hear this.

It's enough of this.

God damn it.

This is her.

Get this.

You know what's a good bit?

Remember when Rachel went to Speaker?

Do you used to do this bit?

No, it'd be Gru!

No, it'll be.

It would be.

It would be.

Have you been with us since Grue days?

Yeah.

I was telling you

back.

Guys, I think there's something

in this.

Hold on.

Be careful.

This is going to be crazy.

That was scary.

It was so scary.

Oh, my God.

I'm so serious.

Be careful.

I knew it.

What was that?

I liked it.

This is one of those episodes that people are going to be like, we can't see it.

We can't see it.

There's a YouTube channel.

I know.

YouTube, as you know.

Wait, is doing this and is the bunny feet?

That's photography major.

I do know.

That's part of my photographic practice that I feel like I don't know.

I don't take pictures a lot.

No.

But I do want to get back into it.

But you know how to present something visual or communicate something visually think compositionally a lot that's perfect and in terms of your comedy too maybe yeah of course

describe what you mean like um like even just like building up my show like i was like thinking in that like cinematically a little bit or just kind of like or when i'm envisioning myself in the scenes or something it's like i'm i'm thinking from a I'm like, oh, like this would be like here.

Yeah.

We got to get you a special or something.

Yeah.

Like this one you're working on now.

Would you hope to televise it?

I would, yeah.

And I hope to do like more.

More, yeah.

Yeah.

If it was really like one of those experiences, I was just like, I love acting.

Yeah, yeah.

And I really.

Well, you are an actor.

You are.

Like, you are.

Like, like, I feel like some people, this is not to say, but I feel like this.

Like, I did comedy because I wanted to act.

I don't know.

I think a lot of gay guys.

Yeah.

Queer people

out here, like, I, I,

I didn't see, like, doing comedy for myself.

Like, I never thought I'd be that person doing sets.

Like, it was all a means to an end.

I don't know how you guys feel.

I was weirdly like wanting to, yeah, I was wanting to act, but I was like, I didn't give myself the permission to.

So, I was like, I would be so happy in a writer's room, but there's like a staff job in a writer.

Because you in your head were like mitigating it to that to not like any expectations.

Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not going to be in, I'm not going to be in movies or anything.

Like, truly, honestly, I was like, I'm not going to, they're not, no one's going to want to do that.

Right.

So, it was like self-protection, but also

something you convinced yourself was true.

Yeah.

Like I would like

stop at like Simpsons episodes and be like, okay, who wrote that?

Okay.

Oh, this person, you know, like, I, like, I got really

just eye-rolly granular about that kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But do you know, do you know how, what that was for you?

Like, what, what compelled you to perform?

Um, I feel like ultimately, I mean, around this time, you know, 2007,

I feel like I

was thinking about going to like auditioning to like get into a program or something privately.

I didn't really, I talked to like maybe one or two friends about that in high school, but like

I was way too scared.

And I was just like, oh, like, I don't know, like people

will,

and it was more like, you know, just being closeted and being like, oh, like, I don't know, people will like.

sniff it out and make fun of me or I don't know like there was something like no one's gonna be rooting for me yeah and so I was just like, there's no way I'll ever do that.

But then I fell, I did fall in love with like photography, and that's a different perspective.

And like, and that was so thrilling.

And I love doing that.

And sometimes, like, when I just look at, you know, photo books or

like I'm at an art show or just even like just reminiscing, I'm just like, oh, yeah, I'm so like captivated by this.

But

I

feel like

comedy,

I love performing live.

Like, I have so much fun, but I don't know if like I see myself, yeah, like having like

a stand-up set or something like that.

What you do is so beyond that.

Like, that's when I feel, I feel like you're like Cape Berlin, you're like Colescola, like that's Richard, you know what I mean?

Like, I feel like you can do whatever you want to do because you're that good.

I really feel like so safe when you're performing.

Yeah, like, I really, and I really feel like what you do is like brand new and so specific to you that's like one of the reasons why like

i don't know it's it's like i haven't sometimes i'm like i haven't been around in a while i know i feel that way absolutely like like watching shows and stuff but you make me excited to go watch like live stuff again yeah

thank you so much thank you so people should be going to see yeah definitely guys

I haven't been to Union Hall in so many years.

I haven't been to Union Hall in a long time.

July 12th.

Come with me.

Oh.

Well, I'm going to be be in LA.

Oh, you'll be in the goddamn goddamn.

Just come back.

I'm coming.

Yeah, I know you're right.

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Well, time to do I don't think so, honey.

And my thing is, I don't have one yet.

So can you go first?

Because you definitely do.

Yeah, sure.

And maybe something in yours will inspire me.

Well,

I mean,

I have one.

No, no, no.

I'll go first.

I mean, I'm going to have one,

but, and it will happen.

Here we go.

So, all right.

I mean, should we be nervous?

No, I'm not nervous.

This is Belen Yang says, I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Please, please, I need an art pop song in the Mayhem Ball.

Just one.

Just one.

That would be good.

I understand,

gaga, that that was a very, very tumultuous time in your life.

But here we are talking about art pop.

in the way that we have the patina on that.

And now we say, if you gave us applause, hopefully you think that that is a song that has aged enough you have enough distance from that time in your life that you 20 seconds it is such a brilliant narrative if you're saving it for the narrative for i'm not going to do anything off of r pop for a decade now on we're on a decade of no art pop live anywhere it would be so major it would be such a euphoric

release for the little monsters out there i'm not saying i'm not telling you what to do gaga i love you i would die for you you don't have to say think about anything that I say.

Five seconds.

But I think I would weep, and I'm not a crier because I'm on SSRIs.

I would weep if you sang any song off art pop.

And that's one minute.

See, I'm not on an SSRI, and I feel that I'm confident you would cry.

I would, I know, I absolutely know for sure though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely.

Because I feel like I, what would happen to me if she performed from art pop is I would be on the floor in a fucking puddle, like dead, like not alive.

So the fractional, you have have to at least be crying.

Of course.

I think applause is sort of the safest choice for her and for us.

It's like people would get excited for applause.

She would sing applause and it's like, it's, it's so, it's so conceptually interesting.

It's obviously had a life of its own since era's tour.

Truly, it's like such a thing.

Like Eras tour, it's like, okay, the show is about to start.

Like they're playing applause.

Like it has lived on in

such a beautiful way.

Yeah.

You just got excited.

I have, I have my, I don't think so, honey, based on this question.

Okay.

And it's, it's, again, it's a roll of the dice, and I'm going to risk it because I really do believe this.

Risk it.

This is Matt Rodgers.

I don't think so, honey.

It's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Can we not?

I understand we're not supposed to use the term gypsy, but can we listen to and love the song Gypsy, please?

Like, I feel like sometimes there's like a little bit of angst around the song Gypsy because of the term gypsy.

Of course.

But I feel like that is a peak of that album.

Like, Gypsy is one of the great Lady Gaga songs.

And like,

it it also opens the door for so many other things.

I, I kind of believe it opens the door to, like, Babylon in a way.

Like, it's like

Gypsy is like a brand of Lady Gaga song that I don't want to forget.

No, like, and I really feel like it's an important installment and it's an important canon in Gaga culture.

I think it would tear if Gaga did Gypsy at the May Dog.

I really think that that

would be the one.

And I think it's going to hit everyone so much harder.

I think applause, obviously, G-U-Y-W, I'm a Donatella stand.

Yes.

I think it would go crazy.

Bashon.

Yeah, please.

I mean,

but Gypsy, and I don't want us to be afraid of it.

I think we all know the deal, but Gypsy, hey, I do think so, honey.

I'm Gypsy, Gypsy, Gypsy, hey.

Don't you know?

I feel like there was a little bit of a time there in that, like, sort of like, you know, like over-correcty time period where people were like, we can't do gypsy.

And I'm like, you guys, like, if we can, if we're going to comb through all of Gaga's lyrics, like, it's not, we're not gonna like it's just not just such a great the brand of song that you're talking about gaga song that you're talking about is like when she is doing when she's just at the piano doing her channeling maybe billy joel or elton like i love gaga at the piano germany in germany in germany like these odd mustache the mustache oh my god like our pop era when she was had the blonde bleach mustache and she had the contacts in yeah weeping

i mean i love that entire album gypsy like doing gypsy like that

Oh, my God.

The only way I can describe it is like, it's sort of, you know what else it speaks to, which also really should be performed more is Edge of Glory.

Oh, Edge of Glory is one of the great

pop songs ever,

ever.

Like, and so the fact that that, that's the same brand, though, same tone.

You know what I'm talking about?

I think, I think, and so far, like the Gaga Cella moments, Gaga Cabana, like all those Singapore, this like pre-mehimbal, like tour sheet, like the piano songs have been shallow.

Yeah, yeah and um i'm forgetting one other one i mean you wouldn't and you wouldn't want to yeah yeah

you wouldn't want to lose any of those that's the thing but we're now at this place with gaga where it's like you can watch even a two two and a half hour set of hers oh and three and a half four

but like you could have like a super long set and you'd still lose like

so many songs in the catalog that you would want to hear yes so many like even at the gaga cella I was like, oh, wow, she didn't do that one.

She didn't do that one.

She didn't do that one.

And you could just keep going.

Yeah.

And I don't want the narratives to be like, oh, she didn't do anything else Joey, she didn't do anything else from it.

It's like, I think it's totally at her discretion.

I do think the bubble's about to burst on.

We've been blueballed out of anything, anything art pop in like 12 years.

And it's out of love that we say.

It's out of love and enjoyment that we say.

And also, yeah, I mean, Venus, babe.

Oh, like, like, oh,

Venus.

Can you touch me?

I

This could be her.

This could be her.

I mean,

we've performed that live more than Gago.

It tears down everyone's lives.

I mean, fuck yes.

Self-produced.

She produced that song herself.

I mean, you should be so proud of Gago

of that entire album, but especially.

I saw her at Roseland Ballroom.

She closed it down.

Like, oh my God.

So, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah.

So, I saw, I saw Beyonce's four there.

She did four shows.

Four shows of the album.

Yes, it was 2011, the summer of 2011.

It was four.

She did four shows at Roseland Ballroom, and they were by far up till that point, because now I've seen her since, and obviously, so she's gotten even better.

We just saw her at the same time.

It's a fucking intimate venue.

At the time, I was like, that is the most special, intimate performance of something so big I had ever seen.

And that, and then the real gag was

like two months later or shortly after, she did the blue Ivy Carter baby bump reveal on the VMAs.

And I realized in that moment that she had been pregnant the entire time.

Holy shit.

Which was really crazy.

Yes.

That was crazy.

She knew she was pregnant.

Yes.

And I remember, and then it made me, because one of the most emotional moments of the whole thing was her doing OnePlus One.

Oh.

And because Jay was there, et cetera.

And I remember being like, wow, she really just like ripped a fucking hole into that song.

And I realized I was like, oh, it's because she knew she was pregnant with her first child.

Damn.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

And dancing, like

no, you've never seen.

Like, there's the end of time sort of like live music video.

That's just her at the Roseland doing an end of time.

I'm like, fuck, this rules.

That like little kick she was doing with her leg.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

So good.

We heard Girls Run the World in the Streets before the Paris show.

We were like this song, too.

I mean, her too, like her VMA Vanguard, like

everything of like the 13-minute or however long.

That was after the self-titled, right?

Yeah.

That is also something that I'm like, oh, just to watch to be like energized and invigorated.

Like, it's so, she's phenomenal.

We haven't even really gotten on the mic since then to really talk about the Cowboy Carter show.

But the part I was most excited for, but I went to see were the visuals.

Were the visuals?

The visuals were.

Speak on the visuals.

Well, the visuals were.

I mean, what I turned him out, I was like, this was a kajillion different setups and costumes and hair moments and like

lighting, gaffing moments.

And she, and they're so, and I say like thrown away because it was just like half second, half second, half second, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut.

I was like, they, this must have taken months, months to shoot.

Yeah.

And it's all for these interceptions.

We were like, she very easily could have done like a cow and may have done like a cowboy carter feature film because not only were there so many gorgeous, like high quality cinematic setups and costumes, whatever, but she was acting.

It's the best acting she's ever done in these Cowboy Card visuals.

There's a moment where she is like in a fight with a woman at a bar and she takes a beer bottle and just smashes it over her head.

Is it never breaks?

You know, what would you call it?

It's more vignettes.

It's vignettes.

It's vignettes that like really do an amazing job of like.

Of like, I did not realize that I was getting distracted so that she could quick change and then come out the other side of it.

You know what I mean?

No, anyone going to the bathroom during the visuals, like big mistakes.

It's hard to say you missed one of the best parts because the whole thing, but it was like, you could not pull away from that tour because there was always something cool happening.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Always the whole time.

Are you going?

No, no.

I know.

You came anywhere in this show.

I rarely go to concerts.

I just need to I need to literally be like sat like right next to them and I need them to personally invite me.

You'd prefer that Beyonce just sit you down.

She's like, Richard, I got a seat for you.

Enjoy the show.

Oh, yeah.

And then I'll be like, okay, fine.

Thank you so much.

Man.

Okay.

You ready for?

I don't think so, honey?

Oh, right.

Okay.

Okay.

Right, okay.

I've been listening since 2018.

Yeah, right, lying ass.

Are you serious?

Richard Perez, I don't think so, honey.

Your time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

I don't think so, honey.

Oh, my God.

The people who were unkind

when I was a little boy, walking the streets of New Jersey with my goddamn headphones on, bitch.

Okay?

Okay.

Life is no fun, Nuclear Waters, they say.

I try to have fun.

I'm listening with my bag of CDs

rumbling, rumbling around.

And you shout something unkind to me while I'm listening to Juno.

Do you know who the fuck you're talking to?

Rachel.

Do you know who the fuck you're talking to?

Let him know.

You know.

15.

But I thought that that was so uncalled for and very, very unkind to do to a young, young child.

But I wish you well and I hope that you're okay.

But never do that again.

And if you are doing that, if you are doing that, if I find out you are shouting unkind things to kids from your car,

I don't think so, honey.

I'm going to do something about it.

And that's one minute.

That must have been horrible.

That must have been hard.

That was my princess origin story.

Literally, period.

Yeah.

And also, can you imagine

shouting something at a child?

That's sick.

It's so truly fucking crazy that anyone would ever do that.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

From a car.

From a car.

Like you're in the most fucking cowardly position.

Yeah.

You pussy.

I'm sorry.

Literally.

You pussy.

I think that's what they were.

Yeah.

Stilettos

category.

I'm the bar.

My favorite, one of my favorite Beyoncé moments ever recorded,

the way she says, don't even waste your time trying to compete with me.

Like, are you kidding me?

Wait, what's that from?

I'm a superstar star.

Oh, okay.

Don't even.

We were laughing because, like, it's the Cowboy Carter World Tour, and then she does Renaissance for three songs.

She's like, Welcome to the Renaissance, but there's already been like kind of five songs from Renaissance, Strone Without, and it's Cozy Cuff It, and I Lily and Superstar.

She basically does, like, the first few songs of the album, and then she calls that the Renaissance section.

Um, but she also does thick.

So thick, to me, was the moment of the show.

America has a problem.

Oh, yeah, no.

America was a problem was everything.

Because that's when Beyonce is funny with her little.

i feel like beyonce is so hilarious she's hilarious i feel like she like oh my gosh y'all need to get her on here i feel like she would be like i feel like she just doesn't do this she doesn't do that kind of thing but i feel like if like you ever like i don't know i'm so curious like her just like backstage like with her people like i feel like she's like funny well you forget how many interviews she used to do but you know what and i feel like she's also i have a feeling she's really good at impressions interesting well remember like like during i think sasha fierce

she would do like these anecdotes she would like have banter on stage and there was one famous one she was like

one time i came home and my husband goes beyoncé have you gone swimming because

because your nose sounds all clogged up and like that's like that's like her

she was doing she was doing stand-up and she was like doing apt outs as jay-z yeah being like have you gone swimming she was

It was her JFL shoot at the time.

She wanted to go to Montreal.

Beyonce wanted an SNL audit show.

Well, she was famously in the single lady sketch.

She was really good for like

she knew exactly how to play it.

And she was very good at the sky.

It's clowns.

Clowns.

Well,

your princess origin story is something that we can all learn from.

Definitely.

What would you say to all the princesses out there?

Aw,

I would say to all the princesses out there to just follow your heart and stay true to who you are and have a drink a lot of water and have a really good day.

Put your best foot forward and take care of yourself.

I know.

Others.

Well, I know that everyone would benefit from going to see Richard perform live.

I love you.

You're one of my favorite live performers.

I think you're so good.

I know Bowen Pacular.

Of course.

We always talk about how funny you are.

We love you a lot.

September 2nd, September 7th, Joe's Pub.

And July 12th, because this is going to come out July July 9th.

We were deciding now.

It's going to be our head with our producers.

This is the theme song to the Hills.

We end every episode with a song, and this is one of the greatest songs of all time.

Bone, and I agree.

Let's go back to the Hills.

Back back

to Laguna Beach.

No.

This is the Hills.

The Hills is unwritten.

Oh, my God.

Oh, right.

Then this is Laguna Feach.

Mandela Fact.

Oh, sorry.

Which is the one.

Wait, this is the one.

The one you re-watched was Laguna Beach, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes.

Sorry, okay, great.

Sorry.

I'm not even going to have it cut out.

I'm just going to say that was my mistake.

No, no, no, it's okay.

I should have just, I should have just, oh, he meant Laguna Beach, and I should have.

I feel like I said, no, no, no, no, because I made a mistake.

Here we go.

Let's go back

to the beginning.

Back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all alight.

This is like an odyssey of its own.

Cause it's still perfect.

Didn't seem so perfect.

Trying to fit a square into a circle was no line.

I

defy.

Let the rain fall down and wake my dreams.

Let it wash away

my sanity.

Cause I wanna feel the thunder.

I wanna scream.

Let the rain fall down.

I'm coming clean.

Give it to the camera.

I'm coming clean.

What did you say, babe?

I said babe, like the way that the way that Richard did.

Zaram, babe.

Zara,

babe.

Fire.

That's so good.

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