"Kakuna Gay Harden" (w/ Richard Perez)

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Speaker 2 oh i see my eye oh my boy look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow las culturistas ding ding dong las culturistas calling matt would you describe yourself at any point in your life as a princess hmm

Speaker 2 there was one time i dressed up as a little princess and actually it was pretty visceral because my younger oh my god this is like not me having a flashback to a traumatic memory you didn't know this was going to unlock something but it did my cousin megan dressed me up in a princess outfit and i went upstairs in the princess outfit and i can tell i could in the moment know that it was not the thing to do because my parents and all their friends were like oh it's a little boy dressed as a girl the first sign

Speaker 2 you can feel the adults sort of like

Speaker 2 like oh They slurped.

Speaker 2 That's what I meant to say the whole time.

Speaker 2 When I went upstairs dressed as the princess, they went, as Bowen just went, they went,

Speaker 2 every princess hasn't like an origin. Are you already in? Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 But every princess, now, Bowen, was there ever a time when you felt like a princess? I, I can't say, I've only really felt like a princess in the presence of another princess. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And there was something really important about our guest one time when we were hanging out.

Speaker 2 I don't even think you like anointed me as such, but you were just like,

Speaker 2 well, we're princesses. And I went, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 you started doing your jaw drop so do you feel like we should start a queens of comedy but it's the princesses of comedy

Speaker 2 because i am like here's the thing is like it's a big joke but i do say i'm the prince of christmas once a year so when you say princess that's hard because i've just branded as something else but i could change my brand if you guys were like we were the princesses of comedy like the queens of comedy before us yes oh my god i think that's a really important discussion we should have so our guest is

Speaker 2 fabulous comedian. You might know him.
Princesses of Comedy is title event, by the way. Princesses of Comedy.
Oh my God, look at it. He's being a princess right now.
Can we cut to him?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 he's threatened to sort of spike the camera the whole time. And I said, that's going to be tough for us.
Someone who's having a conversation with you.

Speaker 2 It's going to be tough for us because we're over here, but the camera's over there. But I mean, this person knows his...

Speaker 2 his frame. He knows how to work the camera in a way that I don't think I've ever

Speaker 2 seen.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing is it's like, I kind of want to be the camera now. I know.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 We need to talk. We need to talk about all things, princess, camera, everything.

Speaker 2 Okay, if you're listening to this,

Speaker 2 I think this might come out. Before his show, July 12th.
We're crossing our fingers.

Speaker 2 This comes out in time for the Union Hall show on July 12th. Hopefully you guys hear this in time.
We're going to hear this in time. We'll cut this out.
We'll be able to get down there.

Speaker 2 I've got to get to Brooklyn. Park Slope, July 12th, Union Hall.

Speaker 2 How did you get to Bark Slope from here? Bark Slope? Yeah, Bark Slope.

Speaker 2 I would hop on the F train.

Speaker 2 And I think maybe I'd transfer to Barclays. And I don't know if it stops at

Speaker 2 the Union Street station. Oh, no, you could transfer at Barclays to the R, take that to Union Street.
Yeah, that's how we'd get there from here.

Speaker 2 And we record this podcast from, what would you call this? 55th Street.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're at the iHeart offices a studio that we found out was originally made for Ryan Seacrest feels very like Coca-Cola Lounge American Idol era yeah yeah and then our guests sang the theme song from American Idol

Speaker 2 do you perform this in the show

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 please hold us to your ears Richard Perez

Speaker 2 and by the way there's other shows that are gonna happen later on September you said September more September September September have a solo show called I Have to Do This. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Huge, huge, huge moment in comedy, I think. I have to do this.
I think Richard really rocked the scene

Speaker 2 with his sensuality. We need to talk about sensuality.
We have to. Explain what it is to us.
Yeah. Well, you know, there's definitely camera work involved.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And just kind of like, don't be scared to like look at it. Who do you think, do you pretend the camera is somebody that you know?

Speaker 2 I pretend it's like a reflect that it's like a mirror.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of just like, well, because you know, when you like act in the mirror, you know, when you do that, you're always better when you're acting in the mirror than when you have to do it.

Speaker 2 So, I just pretend that I'm like, I know what this looks like.

Speaker 2 Don't you think, though, like, sometimes I'll be in the mirror just giving?

Speaker 2 And we can be like transparent. Come on, we got to talk about gay mirrors.
Let's really get into it because how many times have you looked into the mirror and been giving? I really have all the time.

Speaker 2 All the time. And then outside of the bathroom, it's you know impossible to get a good mirror.
It's hard, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's so hard to get in there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I would push for mirrors.

Speaker 2 Mirrors on cameras on all sets. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Like it's a shame that we don't have a mirror here today.

Speaker 2 I know for me, I don't know about for y'all, but the work that you'd get out of me if I just could act with the mirror,

Speaker 2 it would be crazy. Yeah.
Emma Stone found

Speaker 2 worse than dead. Jealous.

Speaker 2 Threatened.

Speaker 2 Wait, it's actually really cool to number 13. Jealous? That's what I'm saying.
That's worse than dead to be caught.

Speaker 2 When you're jealous. Oh.
I mean, there's that saying about it. What is? Is it a disease or whatever? Yes.
Jealousy is a disease, so get well soon. There's also jealousy is the green-eyed monster.

Speaker 2 Get well soon. Oh, envy is the green-eyed monster.
Envy is the green-eyed monster.

Speaker 2 And jealousy is. Jealousy is...
A disease.

Speaker 2 So get well soon. Do you know who first said that? Who was Meredith Marks?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 really? Yeah, for you like her.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't, like, I don't watch Housewives. Like, I don't know that universe, like, at all.
I think you out of anybody would really love it. Really? I feel like you'd like old New York.

Speaker 2 Don't you think that? Yes.

Speaker 2 Definitely. I think, like, I don't know, of course, like my friends love it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's just such a big universe.

Speaker 2 We both leave. We both leave.
Got him. Richards lied to us.
And then we wear two big poofy dresses.

Speaker 2 You hear little like

Speaker 2 princesses. Princesses.
The princesses. Very.

Speaker 2 Princesses.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Who's the best princess in media? Do we know? I'd say like

Speaker 2 when I was thinking about us or the princess discussion, I'm like, Yeah, what'd you see in your mind's eye? Like Mario Party.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 yeah. There's Peach, Daisy, and then there's another one.
Rosalina. Rosalina.
The princess of, where does she come from? She is from Mario Galaxy. Yeah.
And she has a really tragic story. Okay.

Speaker 2 And you find out about it as you go to visit the library, as you unlock more worlds. You read, you read about her.
It's very much like a little prince.

Speaker 2 Her parents die. They based Mystic River on her.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Did you ever see Mystic River? I think actually, it was on TV once.
Emmy Rostom. And I watched some of her character.
It's based on Rosalina's sister. Oh, it was horrible.

Speaker 2 And her dad is Sean pen yeah and he was like that's my daughter

Speaker 2 and then marcia gay harden in in rosalina's universe turned a performance bitch i think marcia gay harden is a princess up screen

Speaker 2 yes wait wait wait is that the one that was wait wait wait you came to last cultural

Speaker 2 i do i do um was she

Speaker 2 was she was she in was she an urban legend My God, I don't know. I don't know that.
I don't know that. I might be thinking of someone else.
She got like light eyes and like. She got light eyes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's like.

Speaker 2 She plays. Don't get me.
Have you ever seen the movie?

Speaker 2 Have you ever seen the movie Mona Lisa Smile? No. God.
The thing about me is I've never seen a movie. No, that's okay.
That's okay. Me died.
He's seen movies. I haven't seen movies.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think of a monoculture piece of work that Marcia Gay Harden was in. And it's hard.
But even then, like those, some of those, I'm like, I missed it.

Speaker 2 And it's, and you're, you're never going to watch it. One day I could.
Same with like housewives. Like one day.
If I broke both my legs, I would be able to watch it. I'd be caught up on all these.

Speaker 2 Yes. God forbid that.
Yeah. But absolutely.
I think that's kind of, yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to list some movies that Marcia Gay Harden has been in.

Speaker 2 And you guys tell me if you've seen this movie and if you think this movie qualifies as

Speaker 2 a music.

Speaker 2 Yes. You can see what she looks like.
This is Marsha Gay Harden. So, just another zoom in for everyone.
That's Marcia Gay Harden. That's actually her.
She's like the premiere of Frozen 2. Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 So, I don't know if she played a role in Frozen 2, but I'm going to imagine that she was there for some reason. Yes.
So, her acting credits include The First Wives Club. She played someone in Dr.

Speaker 2 Leslie Rosen. I don't remember her in that.
I don't remember. I don't know.
Meet Joe Black?

Speaker 2 That's the gorilla. Allison Parrish.
I know.

Speaker 2 No. Again, Mona Lisa Smile.
Julia Roberts Roberts is in that.

Speaker 2 Amazing.

Speaker 2 If you haven't seen that. No.

Speaker 2 All right. Have you ever seen the movie The Mist?

Speaker 2 No. Okay.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 2 How about Fifty Shades of Grave? She played Grace Trevelyan Gray, who I'm only going to imagine must be Christian Gray's mother, rather.

Speaker 2 Sometimes I look around when someone asks me if I've seen a certain movie. I'm like, is it like 40-year-old Virgin?

Speaker 2 That's that's your like your North Star? I guess. Okay, and now I'm like, what about TV? You know, do you watch the morning show on Apple TV? I'm watching the morning show.

Speaker 2 She plays like a county reporter who's like, I'll get you.

Speaker 2 She's always talking, she's always telling, you know, there are old names. Yes, of course.
It's like her adversary is Jennifer Anniston, who's like one of the top morning show hosts.

Speaker 2 And she's very like, sorry, read a skeeter vibes where she's like, hmm, cute. What can I report on? Steve Corell's in it, too, right? Steve Corell's in it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Briefly. Briefly.
Okay, I got you. His character drove off a cliff.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 By accident. Well, I think your vibe is very Marsha.

Speaker 2 Gay Hardin.

Speaker 2 What do you think of that name? Gay Hardin.

Speaker 2 I think that it's a great last name. And I think Gay Harden.

Speaker 2 I think that

Speaker 2 I relate to it. Yeah.
Something that resonates. Do you Harden?

Speaker 2 I actually do quite a bit.

Speaker 2 What's the name of the Pokemon that has Harden as a move? Metapod.

Speaker 2 Kakuna.

Speaker 2 So if Kakuna wasn't part of the LGBTQ plus community, he would be Gay Harden. Yeah.
Kakuna Gay Harden.

Speaker 2 That actually might be title of Metapard. Kakuna Gay Harden.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's such a joke for Bo and Yang.

Speaker 2 But maybe for you guys. I loved Pokemon.
Like, at my dad's apartment,

Speaker 2 he still has the binder. I like left it there.
We had 150. You call it 150.
All those.

Speaker 2 It's time to sell. Really? They're up in market value.
Nick is nodding, our camera guy. Are you serious? Sell, sell, sell.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 people will buy them. Yes.
For how much?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, what would you say? Yeah, like, Charizard, if anyone's interested in that. A Charizard.

Speaker 2 I could go for, I think, like, 5K. You're fucking giving.
No, Nick, what do you think? Thousands. Thousands?

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. 5K? I will never forget going to the Pokemon cart.
I called it the Pokemon card store, but on Tuesdays, we would go every week.

Speaker 2 And I could never buy a Charizard because it was $22.

Speaker 2 But my mom was like, hopefully you'll find it in a pack because I'm not allowing you to pay $22 for a card. And then one day.

Speaker 2 And now she's eating her fucking hat.

Speaker 2 I don't think she understood, nor did anyone, that it would be worth thousands. But no one understood except us.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like we, it was so.

Speaker 2 like tremendously valuable like the feeling of getting one of the cards you wanted and also you would trade for it there was such, there was a bit of strategy to it

Speaker 2 as well. And just trying to like,

Speaker 2 you know, every card was so purposeful or something.

Speaker 2 And the holographic of it all, like, that was just like, yeah, I remember those were like the first deals. Like, I remember, like,

Speaker 2 I got in a fight with my cousin, and my aunt called our house because he regretted trading a Blastoise to me for a Venusaur. And I was like, I'm sorry, but we did say no trade backs.

Speaker 2 And that's a verbal contract. You got the Blastoise? I got the Blastoise.
That's a better card. 100%.

Speaker 2 I remember, I don't remember which card it was, but there was someone from

Speaker 2 like my, I think that was in fifth grade or something, or middle school. That must have been hard.
And yeah, this is my Princess Origin story.

Speaker 2 So what happened was there was this guy who was so sweet, very friendly guy. Gay? No, I don't know, but I don't think so.

Speaker 2 That must have been really hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 2 he

Speaker 2 basically what happened was he told me he had a card that I was looking for. And he was like, yeah, I actually have three of them.
And I'm like, you have three of them. He said, yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 And so then I was like, well, I have this other one.

Speaker 2 Like, I think I had two of like a rare one. And I was like, what if we trade? And he was like, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Like, I can meet you. Or if you want to come after school, like, I forget what happened.
We somehow, basically what ended up happening was I had my mom drive me to his house. Yeah.
But I feel like,

Speaker 2 like, I don't think he actually explicitly was like, we are, you are meeting me at my home to exchange. I think he was more like,

Speaker 2 like, sure, like, we could do it. This is like when a guy on Grinder is like,

Speaker 2 yeah, I'm horny. Yeah.
I'm down. It's like, he's like, oh, I'm horny.
I'm horny. You show up.
It's nothing. It's like, this is like the childhood version of him.
You're like, come over.

Speaker 2 I'll trade you like my Clefairy. You show up and there's there's nothing of the sort.
He didn't know that was a cocoon. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 He didn't show me any cards. He was just like,

Speaker 2 he was like, oh, it's actually at my, it's at my dad's house. Like, all the cards are something that's.
He just wanted to play with you. He wanted to play with you, but he keep, he, he catfished you.

Speaker 2 He meowthfished you. Yeah.
Meowthfish. He meowthfished.
Oh my God. Remember Mew? What was the fucking deal? Mew was sort of like.
Mew was like, um,

Speaker 2 kind of like emo a little bit. and was just understood.
Yeah

Speaker 2 you think Mew is emo Mew is a little bit emo oh no Mewtwo Mewtwo is emo too yeah Mewtwo is emo Mew was like was like this is fine like

Speaker 2 and then this it turns into like

Speaker 2 he hardens yeah he hardens he gay hardens he gay hardens the poor guy Mewtwo and then there was that movie the Pokemon movie no I distinctly remember that because he Mewtwo was very scary yeah because capable of anything I don't know what that song was.

Speaker 2 I think it was Kitty Horace.

Speaker 2 Well, not for nothing, but Dark Horse is kind of Mewtwo coded.

Speaker 2 Like, it's scary as a song. It's so scary.

Speaker 2 Richard, I think you could, like,

Speaker 2 you, would you ever in an a cappella? No.

Speaker 2 You have an ear. You have an ear for like mimicking instruments.
You could be a mimic.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. Well, we have plans to do a singing show together at Joe's Pub.

Speaker 2 I'm only remembering now in the moment that we decided we were going to do a cabaret night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What would it be? We'd sit on two ends of the stage and we'd have stand-ups at the same time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, do stand up at the same exact time. Yeah.
Our own very different energetic sets. And then me.
I'm like, so tops be like and bottoms be like.

Speaker 2 I'm doing like physical comedy to get away with not like having written material. I'm like dropping it low and shaking my ass.
People like, ha, ha, ha, ha, let him get away with it.

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Speaker 2 What's it like to have like juicy asses? Both of you are juicy ass queens. Please.

Speaker 2 You mean like in a physical sense? Yeah. Or like the energy.
No, you answer that question. So Matt could drop it to the floor and people would erupt and scream.
You can take a picture from behind.

Speaker 2 You've done like the bunny feet.

Speaker 2 The bunny feet. So if you don't know, Richard is, I think, also very famous for his bunny feet photos.
Yeah. It's like the feet peeking.

Speaker 2 It's like you're taking a photo above. Yes.

Speaker 2 You're kind of like on your knees, like on the ground, and like your feet, you're like sitting on your feet. You're sitting on your toes are kind of poking out of your bums.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 But you're taking a photo from above. So it just looks like a little like...
Rabbit. Yeah, like a little, I they call it bunny feet.

Speaker 2 Am I making people uncomfortable by

Speaker 2 I'm more comfortable now than I was?

Speaker 2 I'm glad you addressed it. I'm happy that we're just breaking down the walls.

Speaker 2 It was an elephant in the room. Yeah, because I got to say,

Speaker 2 I have Hank Hill ass. You have Hank Hill ass.
You're having Hank Hill has nothing.

Speaker 2 That's not

Speaker 2 the Hill family. Peggy Hill is the only member of the...
of the Hill family

Speaker 2 the Hill that has an ass. Dadass.
Dadass.

Speaker 2 So I have Hank Hill ass.

Speaker 2 But you have some of the most iconic legs. I was going to say that.

Speaker 2 I'd rather have a good ass. But having such strong legs does make your ass sit higher.
Like, you don't have no ass. That's not true.

Speaker 2 I understand that that might be a lie you're telling yourself, but like that's not true.

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like my ass isn't like, it's not actually real. Richard, it's all an illusion.

Speaker 2 Can we just not see it? But like, do you want to like... Can you get up? I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Unless you're uncomfortable. Can you twirl for us? You twirl.

Speaker 2 I mean, let up. Like,

Speaker 2 don't do that.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Also, what I'm wearing, I like

Speaker 2 wanted to keep the illusion of like, I don't know, maybe I'm like arcade fire. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah. That's arcade fire.
Yeah. You want people at home and watch and say, that's arcade fire.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Should we say the episode is with arcade fire?

Speaker 2 One per Gay Harden. Gay Harden.
With Arcade. Gay Harden.
With Arcade Fire. But you would have to actually have hit the episode to know that it was Richard Ferez.
We don't should do that.

Speaker 2 We want everyone to know. We want everyone to know.
Right when they see the social.

Speaker 2 Is this Arcade Fire?

Speaker 2 You know that song. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's like.

Speaker 2 It was Where the Wild Things are.

Speaker 2 Oh, I might like them then because I like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You have such a good, easy tone. And every time I do hear you singing, I'm always like so blown away by how easy your access is and your resonators.

Speaker 2 Have you ever smoked a cigarette or had an octa-alcoholic beverage in your life?

Speaker 2 I've

Speaker 2 smoking, I don't know how to do that. Really? I tried.
And it goes back. Like, I bought a pack of cigarettes when I was like a freshman in college.

Speaker 2 Because, you know, it's like how you meet people too. Like, everyone's outside.
Is that what they told you? That must have been hard.

Speaker 2 No, like where I went to college, like my freshman sophomore year i was in delaware first

Speaker 2 and it was there was my princess origin story princess of delawa was the cards that's ashley biden's vibe oh oh girl

Speaker 2 omg wait so you grew up in delaw no no no i grew up

Speaker 2 no no no so i'm the princess of new jersey right but i i did take a little bit of time um i spent some time in in delaware

Speaker 2 and then for the taxes for the taxes And I was getting, I got in trouble with some stuff in Jersey. So my parents sent me to Delaware for two years.
And so then, like, I

Speaker 2 wait, stop. What's the trouble? What was the trouble? What was the trouble with the Princess Origin story?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 this must have been hard. Whatever this is, must have been hard.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 that's fake.

Speaker 2 Are you serious?

Speaker 2 Love that. It's really good.
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Really, really good.

Speaker 2 Your vocal stylings are like

Speaker 2 Liza Minelli. Yeah.
Thank you so much. Well, your holiday stylings are like Liza Minelli.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 What was the trouble in Jersey? I think I was just like, I was indie, and so like,

Speaker 2 say no more. Yeah.
I was, I was just, you're indie.

Speaker 2 I was a bit mew at first, and then I got mew too. Oh, okay.
And so then, like,

Speaker 2 I went to Delaware. I was like, I got to get away from here.
Okay, okay, like, indie emo. Like, I was just like, I got to get away.
Like, this is like, you guys. Like, how old were you in Delaware?

Speaker 2 I was 18. It was a freshman year of college.
Okay. Okay.
So, was this UD?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. This was a school that doesn't exist anymore called Delaware College of Art and Design.
It closed down like a couple of years ago. Decad.
Decad. What did they call it DCAD?

Speaker 2 Like SCAD. Yeah.
Like SCAD. And their sister schools, they were sister schools with Pratt and Corcoran.
Oh, wow. And so, like,

Speaker 2 people generally would go there and then transfer to either school. And so that's what my mission was.
I was like, I'm going to go here and then I ultimately want to get to New York.

Speaker 2 And then, wait, wait, when did you move to New York again? 2011.

Speaker 2 Right on time. Right on time.
When did y'all move here?

Speaker 2 Huh? When did y'all move here? 2008.

Speaker 2 2008. So we got here and then sort of everything changed.
You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Were you here when when they got bin Laden? Because that was 2011.

Speaker 2 I don't actually, I think that was in the beginning of the year. Right? Bin Laden was May.
I remember that was. Do you really remember the don't we?

Speaker 2 Like where were you in bin Laden? To be honest with you, I don't remember where I was when they got bin Laden. I feel like I was in my like

Speaker 2 sophomore year like apartment when I found so you were in Delaware still. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But no, the Thailand is

Speaker 2 but the when I when I moved to New York the next day the earthquake happened. What earthquake? Which one? There was an earthquake here.
There was not. Yes.

Speaker 2 Now you're

Speaker 2 in August 2011. This is Mandela Effect.
Yeah. So then you moved in August.
That's

Speaker 2 you know what the Mandela Effect is?

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 Well, explain it then.

Speaker 2 You guys, Mandela Effect is something that can happen when you start to think that things are going a certain way.

Speaker 2 It was always different. Yeah, well, that's a great way of putting it.

Speaker 2 What is it? Berenstein Bears? Berenstain or Berenstein? Oh, yeah, Baron. Yes.
And it's been, and it's Berenstain in this timeline. Yes.
Got it. But you don't.
Do you remember the earthquake?

Speaker 2 Honestly, no, I don't remember the earthquake. I think I remember one happening more recently.
There was

Speaker 2 one last summer. Yes,

Speaker 2 there was one last summer, but then it hasn't happened since this one in 2011. But you know, even when I'm in LA, I don't feel them.
My group chat will be like, earthquake, all caps.

Speaker 2 And I'll be like, what? Really? And like, and I'll be like, I didn't feel it. I never feel them.
Wow. I felt them maybe a couple times, one time famously, we were in Palm Springs in a restaurant.

Speaker 2 That was fun.

Speaker 2 Not fun. I'm sorry.
That was shocking.

Speaker 2 That was shocking.

Speaker 2 Everything's knocking down.

Speaker 2 Me when the big one hits. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Just like Thomas and a mask.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 See, the vocal quality.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you. Well, I mean, listen,

Speaker 2 I guess we just have to stop smoking. We just have to stop smoking.
Well, okay, yeah. So, okay, weed for me, cigarettes for Moe.
And also weed. So my princess origin.
So, like, I

Speaker 2 so I went to this very small art school and

Speaker 2 just

Speaker 2 there was basically two dorms like or an apartment building that, like, students lived in, and then there was a dorm and then the school, which was like really small. Okay.

Speaker 2 And people would hang out outside the dorm, just like smoking cigarettes and like whatever. And so I was like trying to make friends.
And so this, what I, I was, you know, 18.

Speaker 2 So I was like, okay, I can buy cigarettes. So I went for it.
And then I just, I don't know, anytime I've tried to smoke, I just like end up like coughing for like 30 minutes.

Speaker 2 And I don't know how to like inhale. Same with

Speaker 2 right, you're not supposed to. No, I'm sorry, you are

Speaker 2 you

Speaker 2 I will say this, like it takes me it. So when Bo and Yang whips out cigarettes, which is every day,

Speaker 2 uh, not really, but sure

Speaker 2 is, has it been more recently because we've been doing a lot and the sort of becomes

Speaker 2 what is it with you in cigarettes? Like when you whip out a cigarette, like, why are you doing that physiologically? Except for stress, oral fixation and stress.

Speaker 2 It's like, well, let's say, I'm going to say it's like six a week. Okay.

Speaker 2 And I do it for community, which is like, I would never think to buy it by myself, but when there's one around, like I will have a cigarette with Bowen or a friend. Right.

Speaker 2 But it takes me a second every time

Speaker 2 to not cough. Right.
I'm not, because I smoke so much weed and that is, of course, a different mechanism. Even weed too.
Like I tried to get into it and every time vaping is what I'm like,

Speaker 2 I like hookah bars.

Speaker 2 Well, especially when you first moved to New York. Did you have the same experience? When I first moved to New York, I was going to hookah bars all the time.
Oh my god,

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm a fucking adult. The hookah era of New York.
Remember Horace on Avenue A? I actually do. Yeah.
I think it's still there. Really? I think it is.
It's a hookah bar. Like the theme is like

Speaker 2 right by the bagel place. Tom Jones or whatever.
There's probably a lot of bagel places.

Speaker 2 New York City, huh? Anyway, we can't be sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 How did you know you had a whistle tone?

Speaker 2 Can you do a whistle tone?

Speaker 2 Try whistletone.

Speaker 2 Yes!

Speaker 2 No, that wasn't a whistle tone. Oh, God.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I feel scared.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's probably cool. Spread your wings and fly.

Speaker 2 Did you have whistletone when you were young? I would admit that. I did, actually.

Speaker 2 I used to listen to,

Speaker 2 my I would visit my dad on the weekends, and he would buy me like Mariah, the Mariah Carey, like

Speaker 2 he bought me like her greatest hits album, like the black and white one, the number ones.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and then he also bought me the Celine Dion one, one of them, yeah, the one that's like all the way, yes, yeah, yes, all the way, and then we have the same and then uh, Whitney Whitney, the greatest hits album too.

Speaker 2 That is such a good cover. The Whitney one is great because the first one, the red one, is the ballads, and the blue one was

Speaker 2 remixed.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
So Whitney had so many good ones. Yes.
She probably edited three of them. That was probably the best, greatest hits.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It takes you on such a journey.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's such a journey.
There's a remix of Queen of the Night on that. Yes.
Incredible.

Speaker 2 Julia. Julia.
Julia.

Speaker 2 Yes. See what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 It's so good.

Speaker 2 So, like, my dad, like, on the weekends, we would go,

Speaker 2 I'd visit him, and he would

Speaker 2 bring me with, like, he cleaned offices on the weekends. He cleaned offices and listened to divas? No, no, no.
Like, on the weekends, like, he would, like, drive us there, like, me and my brother.

Speaker 2 But then we would, like, hang out. Sometimes we'd help him, but mostly we were just, like, there were vending machines with like free candy.
So we would just, like, hang out.

Speaker 2 That's such a thing as going to your dad's office where there's free soda, free candy. Perfect.
And then me and

Speaker 2 so would you invite me. On the way, I would have my headphones on blasting.
Addison Ray. Yeah, literally.

Speaker 2 You are Addison Ray.

Speaker 2 You are the Addison Ray of Hunter. You really are.

Speaker 2 That's the princess that you are. Princess Addison.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 That's a good title. That's a good title.

Speaker 2 Kakuna. Princess Harden.

Speaker 2 Princess Addison Arcade Fire.

Speaker 2 Gay Harden. Gay Harden.
Kakuna. Might be too many words.
No.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Really? But just make sure my name is first.

Speaker 2 Okay. Richard Perez, Princess Addison, Arcade Fire.
Well, you're really quiet.

Speaker 2 I can't really understand you. Well, I bet.

Speaker 2 Are you doing ASMR? Just make sure you guys sing, include my name, please. We'll include your name.
It was just a bit. I think on the subject of your voice,

Speaker 2 unless this makes you uncomfortable, because I did earlier ask you to show your ass to everyone, which I don't know why.

Speaker 2 But I think, I think,

Speaker 2 what is it about your sensuality as a performer? Because it's really magnetic. You lead with it.
Oh my God, thank you.

Speaker 2 What is it about my sensuality? Well, because like, I think one of the things that

Speaker 2 shook me, I'll always remember this, is just, it's just the moments of you

Speaker 2 posting videos where it's, it's, you know, POV of you getting fucked up.

Speaker 2 I think that was when it changed for me, too. I was like, okay, this is a Comedy Central comic to watch.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure. And

Speaker 2 the companion piece to that is the album, which I was trying to find the other day, by the the way, and I couldn't, was the Alamo Draft House film

Speaker 2 that gets interrupted because someone

Speaker 2 because people are using their phones or something. Because people were using their phones.

Speaker 2 And you came on screen as the general manager of the Alamo Draft House saying, guys, put your, I was so scared, put your phones away. But it would be during these lovemaking scenes while you were in

Speaker 2 the closet at work. You were like, ah, ah.

Speaker 2 See, I try to do it now. And I felt self-conscious.
And I was like, I can't totally tap into that. Maybe I used to.

Speaker 2 I mean, I mean, I could, I definitely am so self-conscious, like, sexually, but like,

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 don't know. I think maybe it's because

Speaker 2 if the real thing is happening, I'm like,

Speaker 2 what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a place to externalize.
If it's just like, I'm like, and the fantasy of it, then I'm like, I can totally just like.

Speaker 2 I've been trying to merge the two a little bit. Yeah, I'm trying to, too.

Speaker 2 you know what i mean i recently had phone sex which i've never done in my life and it was so just on the phone or like on the phone okay yeah wow that's a vintage phone call yeah just a regular phone call and it was spontaneous and like

Speaker 2 um the we were on the phone for like an hour and a half hot it's like so

Speaker 2 we were like building a scene and like we were

Speaker 2 like doing a scene yeah it was so fun like and the and i was like getting used to like my voice earnestly saying things or whatever it's And I'm just like, I'm like, this is my sexual

Speaker 2 self, like my true like desire or something. I'm like, let me like try to like own it right now.
Cause I hide behind it as like joking around and stuff, but you know, and being like,

Speaker 2 you know, doing these bits and even like live performances and stuff like that. But I was like, let me try to like express this in a true way.

Speaker 2 And then after like 30 minutes of that, then we were like, so like, where did you grow up? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it started in a sexual place.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Pillow.

Speaker 2 You know, I actually think that people are on to something with this thing of like, if you like somebody really with gays, like

Speaker 2 have sex first and then go to dinner and stuff because then you don't have to like negotiate whatever the hell that all is. You know what I mean? Right, right.

Speaker 2 If you, if you find that you can get on the same page as someone, like, oh, we like each other and we're sexually interested in each other.

Speaker 2 I've actually found that that's actually actually a nice way to date someone is to be like, okay, we're not in our heads the entire time we're hanging out thinking about whether or not we're going to kiss, whether or not we're going to have sex, how far it's going to go.

Speaker 2 Like you figure that out immediately. If that part doesn't go great, then you kind of save the time.
Totally.

Speaker 2 Not to say lead with sex and like that's better, but I'm just saying as an option, it's been, I think,

Speaker 2 especially if you get in your head, like to kind of like break the ice that way. Exactly.
And then, especially because I feel like every date

Speaker 2 getting better with it but i feel like i'm like performing a little or i'm instant that and i'm also thinking like the whole time it's like there's like a intrusive thought it's just like he's he's not into he's not into he's not talking

Speaker 2 to those things

Speaker 2 he's looking his eyes shifted he's like yeah like oh he's he's disengaging for me it's i'm always fixated on whether it's not about sex it's whether or not we're gonna kiss at the end yes oh my gosh

Speaker 2 i am

Speaker 2 crazy

Speaker 2 when i can feel the dates ending like i'm like what's gonna happen How do we say bye-bye? What's going to happen?

Speaker 2 And I'm just like, and then

Speaker 2 on the outside, I'm just like, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
To the point where I'm like, when the food comes, I actually get, I get upset.

Speaker 2 Why did you get upset with the food? Because when the food comes, it's like, oh, my God, like we moved on to another stage of this. We're getting closer to the moment where we're going to find out

Speaker 2 that part, right?

Speaker 2 That's interesting.

Speaker 2 That's entirely an anxious response. You identify with that? A thousand.

Speaker 2 It's because we were actually just talking about this on the walk over here. Like we have two very different responses to being

Speaker 2 anxious. Yeah.
Like I have like a very anxious response to things and he has like a more like, I guess what you call it, like a depressive response. Yeah, it goes down.

Speaker 2 I go, okay. Like, and then it's just a downward slope.
But both of them.

Speaker 2 Do you mean like, do you kind of withdraw or something? Are you like this is like close? I withdraw and this is.

Speaker 2 To Matt's point about leading with sex or just starting with it being, I'm going say for me, it sounds like the better option because this is what happens.

Speaker 2 I've been on either side of this where you go on dates, they're great.

Speaker 2 And then for some reason, the anxiety of sex coming up is the thing that, like, and if it doesn't go well, like, what does this mean?

Speaker 2 Then people pull away, or they pull away before the sex even happens. So then, if you're ripping the seal off of sex, and then you're like, okay, pressure's off.
Let's just get to know each other.

Speaker 2 Like, like the pillow talk after the phone sex. Yeah.
Then it's like low stakes. Right.

Speaker 2 You're also a lot less likely to perform like or like be fake or be a version of yourself that's not true if someone has already seen like your balls your hole up close. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's why I went to balls. He went to a hole.
Well, I mean, that says a lot too. Depressive, anxious.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 That's just sort of the binary up and up in here. Balls, hole.

Speaker 2 Balls is depression. Balls is depressive.

Speaker 2 Balls is depression. Yeah, honestly, the hole is so anxious.
I just don't. Balls for me, maybe it's because mine are so sensitive.

Speaker 2 And whenever guys are interacting with them it's like hurt it's like painful when guys want me to like lick their balls suck their balls like i'm always just like okay i mean it's not my favorite i don't like balls but i love yeah i don't crave it but i'm like this is cute balls balls like depression it's just something that's there are you balls

Speaker 2 do you like

Speaker 2 balls it depends every now and then i'm like balls are your balls resilient

Speaker 2 i would say they are i i've got i've got good balls yeah i think i do too. I don't think so.
I think mine aren't good. I mean, they certainly work.
It's just like I'm producing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I don't, but they are incredibly sensitive. Holes are

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 sensitive. Hole is anxiety because it is.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to do this.

Speaker 2 You should do an impression. You should do that in the show.
This is my impression of a hole. Yeah.

Speaker 2 How are we going to do this? Hi, the teacher.

Speaker 2 Nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 I feel insane. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Wait, that's she.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's whole.
I'm so much more comfortable with my hole than my balls. Like, my hole, please.
I want to get there soon.

Speaker 2 Oh, golly. I really want to get there.
I took it.

Speaker 2 I got it going.

Speaker 2 Damn. Damn.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 But maybe it's because, well, whatever. Like, I was so, so, so not

Speaker 2 okay with anyone, like,

Speaker 2 doing whole stuff to me until later.

Speaker 2 And then when I I became that way, I was like, oh my god, it's like that's the end of my life.

Speaker 2 And you know what's crazy is like, that's a Mandy Morris song. And I think, like, you know, she loves the podcast.
Like, she's probably going to hear me talk about

Speaker 2 comfort with hole.

Speaker 2 I'm never going to die.

Speaker 2 So I lay my head back

Speaker 2 down

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 my

Speaker 2 hands

Speaker 2 and pray

Speaker 2 to be only yours. I pray

Speaker 2 to be only yours.

Speaker 2 To be only yours, I know now.

Speaker 2 You know, it's not the first time we've done that entire part of the song. When was the last time? 2011, the earthquake.

Speaker 2 I think it's happened since, but maybe. Maybe.

Speaker 2 I have to imagine I probably do.

Speaker 2 I don't know about y'all, but probably that comes up as a thing to sing at least once a year. Absolutely.
Oh, at least.

Speaker 2 It's one of the great songs, actually. It really is.
I would call it one of the great scenes in film. Absolutely.
I also just love

Speaker 2 our recently re-watched Laguna Beach, and there's that. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Did you see L Covalari's podcast?

Speaker 2 No. LC is on Kristen Cavallari's podcast.

Speaker 2 It's huge. This is recent? Yeah.
Yeah. I have to.
That's culture. I'm immediately going to watch that after this.
Of course.

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You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break. It literally happened to me yesterday.

Speaker 2 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset. Right? There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice-cold Diet Coke.
It just hits.

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Speaker 2 Now tell us what that is

Speaker 2 in terms of Kristen and L C in terms of your recent viewing of Laguna Beach. Yeah.
What was your take on Kristen and L C? I would love to know in a 2025 lens.

Speaker 2 I think, I mean,

Speaker 2 okay, from mind you, I watched this five years ago. Okay.
And a lot has happened since. So you were watching it in 2020.
Yeah. So everything was all fucked up.
It's a blur. Yeah.
That was such a blur.

Speaker 2 I don't necessarily remember so the details of of their dynamic, but I do feel like

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know, I relate to both of them. I feel like Elsie was a bit more like

Speaker 2 maybe insecure or something. Like, she seemed like she was poorish to me.
Like, she was always Elsie was always, I mean, obviously, like, she's the iconic.

Speaker 2 She's what? She's balls. I think she's balls.

Speaker 2 No, Chris and Kyle are

Speaker 2 definitely whole.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, for sure.

Speaker 2 And this is a binary that makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 2 No, L C is balls. For sure.
Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Speaker 2 Remember when Elsie didn't go to Paris? Yes.

Speaker 2 Which I think about it every day. I think about that every day.
What would you have done? I would have gone to Paris. Well, yes.
What was the name of the guy? Justin Bobby? No. Jason Baby.

Speaker 2 Oh, that was Jason. Jason.
Oh, my God. Justin Bobby is Audrina's guy.
And what's your take on Audrina? Audrina is

Speaker 2 like, I love her. I love her.
I love a person person that's just like kind of like smiling and kind of like dead-eyed a little bit.

Speaker 2 She's like, I don't see like what I did wrong. Like, I don't know, but I feel for her.
Like, I feel like she is like put in these circumstances that are like stressful. Right.

Speaker 2 And she's kind of trying to, like, make

Speaker 2 things.

Speaker 2 I don't know. She's trying to diffuse things.
Yeah, she's trying to diffuse. You know, I want to.
I don't really relate to that. Is this anything that I'm doing right now?

Speaker 2 Like, this is my Audrey impression. That's Audrey.
Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely. You know, I will never forget.
When she's uncomfortable, when she's like happy like

Speaker 2 it's and it's kind of like like i don't know even like corny kardashian has that too i would agree where there's always a smile while like they're the same tone i love that yeah like i love that they're the same tone they're waiting

Speaker 2 audrina is

Speaker 2 pussy if

Speaker 2 lauren is balls

Speaker 2 you know audrina want like this is my favorite audrina patridge fact and this is something that i think to the best only i know okay If any of you know this, please let me know.

Speaker 2 Audrina Patridge won an award for acting in Sorority Row.

Speaker 2 It was called the Show West Female Star of Tomorrow Award that they gave to the entire cast of Sorority Row, which people forget that Audrina Patridge was in it, but so was Rumor Willis. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 The entire cast won this award. And I swear to God, it was the same award that like Anne Hathaway had won when she was like a new star.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 I'm going to look this up. Why don't we know this? I'm going to look up the history of the female.
I don't know what Sorority Row is either, but I want to share a quick thing about Audrina Patridge.

Speaker 2 What? You don't know Sorority Row? No. You're a horror girl.
Oh, no. Oh, it's a whole horror girl.
Share this, share the Audrina story.

Speaker 2 I will never forget my Audrina sort of thing that I will always associate with her. Is there was an Us Weekly, mind you, this was the mid-aughts where they were doing celebrity diets.

Speaker 2 And her quote, it's her in a bikini. And then in a big burst in a bubble, it's her quote.
She says, Sometimes you don't have to eat the whole burger.

Speaker 2 I'll eat a burger and I'll have a couple bites and I'll put it down. And I thought at the time, wow, that's so incredible.
The most, I'm sorry, ED thing. Totally possible.

Speaker 2 Like these poor girls were fucking on TV, like in their, in their teens and 20s, like being like fucking like picked apart.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know if it, I don't know if the culture was ever good around reality TV, like in terms of the audience, but like, I feel like with those hills, with those Laguna Beach Hills people, I'm like, oh my God, you, you were, you were put through the fucking ringer and i remember watching one episode of the city with whitney and then being done literally i'm right okay in 2009 they won the female star of tomorrow and literally so is vanessa hudgens so as chris pine

Speaker 2 emil hirsh wow abigail breslin child

Speaker 2 this goes all the way back to mark hamill won it but emma roberts in 2007 look brandon ralph uh Jennifer Hudson won in 2006. Wait, what's this award called?

Speaker 2 It's the Show West Star of Tomorrow Tomorrow Award. And they would pick a male and a female, and they would give out the awards.

Speaker 2 And Audrina Patridge, as part of the cast of Sorority Row, won this award. Wow.
Who's the most recent person tomorrow? Let's see. It was.
Yeah, they're still doing it. I bet she's a fantastic actor.

Speaker 2 I don't think I've seen her work. I think you kind of have to be like a bit of a vessel.
A vessel. Let's see.

Speaker 2 I think L C was maybe had more like was too much, had too much space in the vessel. You know what I mean? like i was more

Speaker 2 i love lauren conrad for life yeah i love her i was watching for spencer and heidi oh you know what i mean yeah yeah you know what i mean i mean i i could literally look at that list all day and see like it's like it's like it's like a best new artist thing it's like who actually made it who didn't like haley steinfeld 2013 made it totally anyway yeah no just uh fucking heidi and spencer like they had staying power too they did and still like they're still in the culture in a way absolutely you know what i mean oh my my gosh, it makes news when she didn't she's her wig artist her wig artist like kind of

Speaker 2 kind of pulled a prank on her on a carpet recently. Oh, really? Pulled a prank on her, yeah, meaning yeah, put her in a bag where her hairline was low.

Speaker 2 That's all. That's odd, it happened to me.
Oh, yeah, truly, truly. It does, it happened to me

Speaker 2 on SNL.

Speaker 2 No, those hairlines are right. No, Jodi Queen.
Um, yeah, wait, I want to know more about this. Well, you don't have to go into it.

Speaker 2 Here's a question. Richard Prez, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 2 This is what we actually have to have answers. We have to have.
Right.

Speaker 2 Okay. By the way, I've listened to this podcast for years.
Stop. Since like, I got into it around like 2018.
Really? Yeah. And like, I used to work like at an office job and I would just like listen.

Speaker 2 This is before I was performing and I would just like listen to you guys and like find out about like so many comedians I'm like now like such a big fan of and some I've become friends with.

Speaker 2 And like, you know,

Speaker 2 I didn't know that. You didn't know that.
No, I'm like, you never told us that. You never told us.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 And so this like feels so surreal to be chatting with both of you

Speaker 2 as a guest. And we burst into tears.
But I've actually, and I remember one time I met you really briefly at Metro.

Speaker 2 But it was like such a quick exchange. And I was like, so starstruck.
And I was like, I was like, hi, Bowen. I listen to your podcast.
I love it. I was like, I had to do it.
And you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I think you put your hand in my face

Speaker 2 and then you get a shot.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to take my shot. Yeah.
And then you took a shot at the pitch. You had a big poofy dress.
Yeah. You made your ass look.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you're gaslighting my ass now. Well, no,

Speaker 2 it had the bounce. Oh, my God.
That thing.

Speaker 2 I always wondered what that was. I knew that was.
No, that's a gay thing. It's It's like, we all want to know what that is.
We all wish we had. I know.
I think of like Cinderella.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like Cinderella's mother. Like,

Speaker 2 come, come, come, girls. And they would leave.
And they bounced.

Speaker 2 Come, come, come, girls. And they would say, and then they would snarl on the way out.
Because here's the thing about Cinderella's stepmother and the sisters.

Speaker 2 They at least knew they were awful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They knew they were rotted. They never even tried to be nice.
They were never.

Speaker 2 They lived it, snorted it, and fucked it. Yeah, truly.

Speaker 2 Truly. So what was the culture that made you say culture? All right, so sorry.
So sorry.

Speaker 2 So funny enough that we're talking about the hills and all this stuff. I wrote down in my notes that my

Speaker 2 culture... Okay, so this isn't.
Okay. It's the year 2007

Speaker 2 is what I will say is my answer for like

Speaker 2 culture that made me say cultures for me. Like, I feel like it's such a big year in media, culture like the world but

Speaker 2 but even just like personally for me i feel like that was definitely like a time that i took things in in a different way and especially trying to visualize like what my life could look like and starting to have like really more vivid dreams of like oh like a city life of you know either la or new york or you know gossip girl came out that year like

Speaker 2 there was i don't know even like the music like getting like more like indie and stuff like that like i feel like that was around that time.

Speaker 2 What were the touch points? So, gossip girl, Brittany, VMAs. Gossip Girl, Britney, Blackout.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Blackout, of course.

Speaker 2 I started working at Panera Bread.

Speaker 2 Was this already? So Panera Bread was already huge, though, right? This actually...

Speaker 2 Panera was

Speaker 2 like...

Speaker 2 The new girl in 2007.

Speaker 2 Literally, Panera. Panera Bread will always live on the same byline to me as Kristen Cavalari.

Speaker 2 I mean, I do, I do feel like

Speaker 2 I do feel like they were both

Speaker 2 at their imperial phase at the same time. Panera bread and Kristen Cavillari.
And by the way, I have Panera bread like three times a week.

Speaker 2 You know, I have the U Pick 2. Yeah.
All the time.

Speaker 2 But I can recognize that it was around that time that they were at their peak. Upick 2 is still to this day one of the best food systems

Speaker 2 series. Absolutely.
100%.

Speaker 2 absolutely and you don't need more than that no no here's what i'd say you get your half sandwich and i always do get the bowl of soup yeah i sometimes get a salad i get the fuji chicken hook sure

Speaker 2 once in a while but you start working at panera in 2007 so i started i worked at panera bread in 2007 so what were you doing

Speaker 2 they would like move us around so like I mostly did like cashier or like I'd clean the

Speaker 2 like dining room like duty

Speaker 2 or like

Speaker 2 soda stream, too. The Panera bread, didn't you think? Panera bread was one of the chains, and Delta Work knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, always their soda machines, I felt, were some of the better quality, yeah. Really? Yes,

Speaker 2 good carbonation, yeah,

Speaker 2 but also, okay, like when I started working there, they told us in training that,

Speaker 2 you know, like their

Speaker 2 ethos or I don't know, like they were kind of just like,

Speaker 2 we're a break from the day-to-day, like, life, you know, like work and all this crazy commotion that we're an oasis from all of that

Speaker 2 so we would never culture number 100 panera is an oasis that was what you were told so but they were like we would never open in a major city lying yeah we would never do that that's capitalism for you so then like that's 2007

Speaker 2 but then what's crazy is that when because then like i when i went to college like when i was in delaware i would work at i would be home on the holidays or summer and i would work at Panera and Jersey.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and so then I would work there again, but then I was officially done with it when I moved to New York. And then, guess they opened, they opened in 2011 in Chelsea.
J Street. J Street Metro.

Speaker 2 Metro Tech. Yeah, because I feel like I associate the New York Panera as you know what I'm going to say.
Yeah, the Chelsea one. I was going to say Union Square.
Oh, but the Chelsea Square

Speaker 2 one is the one. It's the Union Square one, of course.
What? It's closed. The Union Square one closed? I think so.
And so did the TGI Fridays. This city is going down.
Zoron, save us. Zoron, Yoron.

Speaker 2 Why is that not the theme song?

Speaker 2 You can use it.

Speaker 2 This is huge for his campaign. We're going to play this for him.
Please send it to him. He can use it.

Speaker 2 For free? That's so nice. Free buses, free song.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You give me the free buses?

Speaker 2 Yeah, a little tip.

Speaker 2 Wow, and you had texture on that one. That was giving.

Speaker 2 Sarah!

Speaker 2 That was giving like Springsteen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Zara!

Speaker 2 Do you ever like to do you ever think about throwing on a

Speaker 2 at the end, like Jennifer Holiday? You know.

Speaker 2 Zara.

Speaker 2 Yay!

Speaker 2 Wait, so Pinner. Yeah, so I started working at Panera, Brad.
And then also

Speaker 2 I started going to New York City

Speaker 2 for the first time alone

Speaker 2 or with friends,

Speaker 2 without my parents. And so

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 one of my friends, like she

Speaker 2 moved to our

Speaker 2 town a few years prior and she grew up in Brooklyn. And so she moved to New Jersey from Brooklyn.
So she, and she was like so stylish, so funny.

Speaker 2 She knew something.

Speaker 2 She just like had fantastic taste too and like music, like everything. I just thought she was so cool.
And so

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 me, her and like my like bestie, like we would go, like she would be like, do you guys want to come with me to

Speaker 2 Soho? To Soho. And, you know, we can go shopping.
And, you know, I was just starting to make money at Panera Bread. So like,

Speaker 2 I would save some of that. And then we'd go to Soho and go to like American Apparel and like Urban Outfitters.
And like, that was like couture. And, like, that was at first.

Speaker 2 So, like, no one, this isn't in our malls just yet. Yeah.
Or if it is, it's like far away from the one that I grew up.

Speaker 2 I remember American Apparel being, I actually distinctly remember walking in there right across from. NYU Tish.
There was one. Yes.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, I'm going to buy something nice for myself. I'm going to really splurge and spend 50 bucks.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 I was like, 50 forest green zip-up hoodie. And those $28

Speaker 2 t-shirts that we turned to send the first wash. But the deep fees.
Were you doing a deep fee? Yes. We all were.
Come on.

Speaker 2 If you're out here saying, I never wore a V-neck. Yes, you did.
Unless you were Mandela affecting. Unless you were on a different timeline that merged with ours.
Don't act like you're not a hard.

Speaker 2 Don't act a hole. Don't act like you're not a hole.
Don't act like you're not bald.

Speaker 2 Okay. Exactly.
Even if it wasn't like a deep V, you were doing a v you were doing

Speaker 2 because they did give there was different iterations of the v-neck there yeah remember there was the one because i remember for reality show we had to wear them a shallow v there was a shallow v which i chose and then there was a deep v

Speaker 2 which some people were choosing and it was the very frosted tipped vibes at the time where I was like, I know that's not going to age well.

Speaker 2 No one's going to like later the pictures of you in the deep V. Oh my god.
A deep V on someone who had like tits was so important. Yeah.
Do you know what I mean? I need to see that.

Speaker 2 I need to see that. I miss cleavage.
Yeah, male cleavage? Any cleavage? Well, female cleavage is still around. Not as much.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You remember a couple years ago when people were doing the thing, like male celebrities were doing the thing of like

Speaker 2 just a jacket, nothing underneath. Right.

Speaker 2 And then you knew it was over when the other two made fun of it. I like it.
I was like,

Speaker 2 I beg my friend.

Speaker 2 My best friend, Olivia, I like beg her like every other day. I'm like, just please show them.
You're a boob gay like me. Yeah.
Are you a boob gay? just wear it. Yeah, totally.
I am. We're out here.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, show it.
Come on. What do you want to see? Like, the whole thing? Yeah, I don't know.
I'm always like joking with her.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, she's like, what should I wear to like this event or whatever? And I'm just like, well, I'd have to see you.

Speaker 2 Body con, like fucking like tits pouring out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just like a really like body con, bring that back. Yeah.
I want. And she's like, no.

Speaker 2 Fuck her. I want

Speaker 2 body con for guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? I would wear that.
Body stocking for guys. They have it.
I know, but it's like, it's like, it's like a wrestling singlet. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Have you ever worn male spanks? Yes, I have. Kind of fun.
I was living. I'm like,

Speaker 2 yeah. It's very amateur.

Speaker 2 Diet Pepsi!

Speaker 2 Zora!

Speaker 2 They should collab. Zoran and Addison, it would go off.
It would go off. Honestly, Diet Pepsi with Zoran from back in the day rapping on a future.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 That's how you get elected this November. Oh, my God.
That's how you get the people on the, that's how you get the homosexuals to come your way. Oh, sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 We got to get it. Because the homosexuals are politically homeless now.
You know what I mean? Right, right. They don't know where to go.
They don't know where to get.

Speaker 2 Come here, baby. Come here.
Come here. Come here, baby.
Wait, so I think we need to really explore 2007 in depth. Yes, yes.
Okay. So besides Panera, what was so great about it?

Speaker 2 The Hills was peaking. Yeah, Hills was peaking.
Gossip Girl just came out.

Speaker 2 And like,

Speaker 2 I also feel like, and this might be so dumb. And I think maybe just like

Speaker 2 growing up or something. And also like things have changed tremendously, of course, since then, like in

Speaker 2 the world.

Speaker 2 But like, I felt like at that time like indie movies or indie music or something like felt like oh me and like five people in New Jersey know about this no one else literally like you truly passion pit feel yeah like I'm like no one else knows about passion pit but they were actually like huge they were very big and now things are just so much more broken down or something or much much more

Speaker 2 it's ironic it's like things that you think would be more mainstream today are actually niche and then the things that you were like convinced that was it was just purely you and five other people were huge things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, massive. So, like, Rilo Kiley, like, like, I remember, like, um, VH1, like, Artists You Ought to Know, or something.

Speaker 2 That felt like a true, like, I'm like, oh, we're, we're stepping into this, like,

Speaker 2 unknown territory or something. Did you ever like, did you guys ever like go to like Borders or Barnes and Noble and like flip through like Spin magazine? Yeah, and you would be like, oh my God, Spin.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Details.
Clap your hands. Say, yeah.
Like, who, who are they? Like,

Speaker 2 Sufion Stevens.

Speaker 2 I'm specifically thinking of my friend Allison Coelho, who was my bestie in high school. And we would do these things together.
Passion Pit was huge for her.

Speaker 2 And what you just said, which was Sufion Stevens, was huge for her. And I remember we went to go see the movie 500 Days of Summer.
And I thought, it was like I thought I saw like Red Rocket.

Speaker 2 I was like, I just saw the indie film of the year. And it was literally like, well, in 2007.
Very successful movie.

Speaker 2 In 2007, Juno came out. Yeah.
And that had a tremendous influence. Like

Speaker 2 on me. Just like the

Speaker 2 tone of the movie,

Speaker 2 the acting, the music, the soundtrack was just like,

Speaker 2 I brought, I used to bring a bag of CDs with me everywhere. I would, I, I, oh, I've always been headphones.
I've always been headphones. I've always been headphones on my whole life.

Speaker 2 Like, or at least like

Speaker 2 the, a few years leading into 2007. I get, you know, me too.

Speaker 2 Because I would always just like bring them with me and just kind of like, and I brought a little bag with CDs and I would just like change them if I wanted to and

Speaker 2 kind of just like start living in my little world. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But also like it was a bit of a defense like or a protective thing because people definitely would shout things like from their car and something you know like say like unkind things.

Speaker 2 And so I was just like, okay, like this, I'm listening to, you know, Cold Play or like Mariah. Why Cold Play or like Vampire Weekend? Like, I'm like, I'm good.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm just like, you know, having a day right now. And so, Juno, I felt like that just, that soundtrack was just like really, really influential.

Speaker 2 And, I don't know, that was like one of those projects that made me think, like, oh, maybe I, I don't know, I want to like in a real way, I'm asking this. Did you feel like seen by the character?

Speaker 2 I guess so. Yeah.
I, I don't know. Yeah, I get, I guess I did, yeah.
Because humor was a defense mechanism for her. Totally.
Yeah. Yes.
And, um,

Speaker 2 then also I just developed a massive crush on Michael Sarah, of course. And that led me to like arrested development.
Oh, yeah. And like, and Nick Enora's Infinite Play.

Speaker 2 Nick and Nora's been in the sweet. And I was just like, okay, well, I got to move to New York.
That's beautiful. Nick Enora is such an underrated New York capacity.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But Juno, you know what scene I am like. that Elliot Page doesn't get the credit for? What? Is when after like Jason Bateman like puts a move on Juno

Speaker 2 and she, the character Juno, like gets in the van, drives, pulls over to the side of the road, and it's just that shot of Juno just being like,

Speaker 2 like, best car crying,

Speaker 2 so underrated. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So heartbreaking. Really good hands-on-the-wheel breakdown actor.
Yeah. In a time when it wasn't a trope, right? Not really, you know? But also, recently someone

Speaker 2 referenced this like as a joke, and I was like, it just like took me back because I haven't watched that movie in a while, right?

Speaker 2 But the like part where they do a montage with like Sea of Love, like Hat Power, I love that cover, and she's like, Um

Speaker 2 like Juno is like, I think, I think he was always hers, and then it cuts to like Jennifer Garner. Jennifer Garner's so she like framed the note that said, If you're in, I'm in,

Speaker 2 and I was like,

Speaker 2 Did you know that not to interrupt the jam sesh was an improvised line by Jennifer Garner.

Speaker 2 Really? I love that.

Speaker 2 I love that. Her read of.
You found us in the penny saver? Oh my god.

Speaker 2 Can you hear me, baby? Jennifer Garner was so.

Speaker 2 Jennifer Garner in that era was in her bag.

Speaker 2 By the way, 13 going on 30. I saw that for the first time.

Speaker 2 What did you think?

Speaker 2 I was weeping. I didn't expect it to be that.
Oh, it's incredible. Oh, shit.
It's so phenomenal. By the way, like, also all of Alias.
Yeah. Jennifer Garner.
I never watched Alias.

Speaker 2 This was like what made J.J. Abrams.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In many ways.
Whoa. Like, this was like.
She's like a spy. Without Alias, there's certainly no loss.
There's no loss.

Speaker 2 Because without Jennifer Garter, there's no alias popping off the way it did. Yeah.
Yeah. They were in tandem.
No, Jennifer. The pilot of Alias is one of the great pilots.

Speaker 2 Like, it's just so good. It's Jared Frieder's favorite show of all time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, my god.
He loves Alias. Do you know Jared?

Speaker 2 No. Okay, guys.

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You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break. It literally happened to me yesterday.

Speaker 2 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset. Right? There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice-cold Diet Coke.
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Speaker 2 I feel like we should just

Speaker 2 very intensely focus in on like

Speaker 2 indie culture in that time because it did start to slowly fall apart. I would say around 2013, 2012.

Speaker 2 We didn't know how good we had it back. Yeah, a hundred years ago.
Is it because they started to say thing, like the hipster thing went out of control? Was that in, was that in tandem with that?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Like, did your friend who lived, who came from Brooklyn, did she like...

Speaker 2 Because we actually talked about this with Josh and Aaron on their episode a couple weeks ago, where it was like, behind every gay guy, like millennial gay guy is like a straight girl in honors English, quote unquote, who like told you like what to listen to, told you what to watch, told you what to do.

Speaker 2 And so this girl, Kayla Sterbach, one year from my birthday, bought me the hipster handbook, which is like totally off of Urban Outfitters.

Speaker 2 But back when that was like the cool thing to do, buy books from urban,

Speaker 2 the whole thing was like, hipsters don't call themselves hipsters. Like,

Speaker 2 like hipsters, like, just like move in silence and all these things. And, like, yeah, I think it did like go out of control with, like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, like, something,

Speaker 2 you know what? Something kind of like,

Speaker 2 I'm gonna, I'm gonna put something out there.

Speaker 2 Once, like, Solange came on the scene and, like, bridge the gap between like indie hipster music and like pop music in a way, like, things started to like blend into one and then then it got subsumed because Beyonce influenced Beyonce.

Speaker 2 Solana doesn't get the credit for

Speaker 2 it. It trickled up.
You know what I mean? I had literally just moved here and like Losing You

Speaker 2 came around and I was like in the music video. Yeah.
Oh my God. And same with like 212, like Azilia Banks, like

Speaker 2 Dancing on My Own, like Robin. I don't know.
Like there was this like.

Speaker 2 It did feel like there was

Speaker 2 like mainstream pop at the time, and then there was like what the cool girls were doing, even in music at large, not to just say pop, because we actually in we were in Paris like a couple weeks ago because we were seeing Beyonce

Speaker 2 and we were talking about Beyonce about how everything changed between I am Sasha Fierce and

Speaker 2 Thor.

Speaker 2 And we were talking about like what it was, and it was like obviously when she got rid of Matthew, her dad as her manager, but really, I think it was Solange.

Speaker 2 I think Solange being as cool and having less expectation than Beyonce

Speaker 2 made Beyonce look at her sister and be like, I want to do what my sister is doing or something closer to that. Some like, yep.
Because then was that, then after that was the digital title.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the self-touching as she speak with man. Yep.
Because it was Solange

Speaker 2 and it was Solange going to like a dirty projectors concert. Totally.
It was Beyonce and Jay-Z going to a grizzly bear concert. Beach house.
Beach house.

Speaker 2 Like that's that's when things started to sort of like blend. Yeah, true.
You know what I mean? Yeah. and I think, I do think pop music swallowed a little bit of that up.
Totally.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because

Speaker 2 it's, and now it just feels like

Speaker 2 I can't tell if like how, what's where we're at now with, like,

Speaker 2 pop music or, like, what would

Speaker 2 be alternative or like, well, because in that time, I was like,

Speaker 2 totally. Like, right.
Like, I don't know. My listening habits now are so weird where I'm like, I like 10 years ago, no, 12 years ago, 2013, I was like, you know what?

Speaker 2 I am really going to curate these like, these like unknown artists, these, like, these like artists that feel very independent along with like my pop music. And now it is all pop.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like, I've lost that like totally. But also, pop now means so many things as genre has broken down.
Like, now it's like, like, Addison, like, yep, I was gonna, you know, like, she's pop. She's

Speaker 2 she's like so straightforward pop, but but that's because I think

Speaker 2 and I think one of the reasons why she's like the pop girly of the moment is because it does, she's like weirdly playing with

Speaker 2 a lot of retro-ness as well, right?

Speaker 2 Ray of life.

Speaker 2 That's what it feels like.

Speaker 2 And it, and that, what, that's what makes it feel the most current. Like, I feel like I've not kept up in the ways that I should when I'm like, oh, there's a great new like spoon album out.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, and I don't know if I like gave them the regular listening that i

Speaker 2 like since like 20

Speaker 2 2011 2012.

Speaker 2 i don't even know what spoon is oh spoon oc coded soundtrack yes you know what i mean ocon i had the soundtrack yeah i used to my bag of cds that was in there was it okay was it an actual bag or was it binder bag like

Speaker 2 then i had a binder too

Speaker 2 But I think I would like have the binder home and then bring

Speaker 2 it

Speaker 2 too big. So then I would just like bring a few CDs.
I would like make a

Speaker 2 select which ones I'm like, okay, I'm going to.

Speaker 2 Was it Windows Media Player burning CDs or was it iTunes burning?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. These were, I bought the

Speaker 2 scared torrent. I was way too scared to download.
So you thought of viruses or of getting

Speaker 2 the cops getting down your door. Yeah, I was literally like, something will happen.
It did feel at the time on the internet, too. Like, it was like, they'll come get me if I download something.
Truly.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like the lawsuits that were happening in the news it was like oh that's like i'm next because i had a crazy napster like i i was i was a thief i was like really really really downloading a lot of bad stuff

Speaker 2 not us the viruses that your computer would get to would be so crazy no they'd be gnarly they'd be gnarly and then there's so much that the virus narrative really stayed with you for a while 100 like i'm still pretty scared pretty scared of like download well then they said oh it's apple you can't get viruses you really can't but yeah you can't is that true

Speaker 2 You don't really get viruses on Apple stuff anymore. Yeah, I don't think so.
Are you a list? But I mean, who knows? It seems like anything could happen.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is the perfect device.

Speaker 2 You don't know. You have so much to learn.

Speaker 2 See this? Yeah, what is that? Watch this. No.

Speaker 2 Did you get that?

Speaker 2 Break the glass.

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 2 It's called Octo Something.

Speaker 2 It's so good. You can think of it.

Speaker 2 It's selfie.

Speaker 2 Wait, hold on. Wait, get in.

Speaker 2 Come over here. This isn't going to be the photo of the episode, Ready?

Speaker 2 Hold on. Get in.
One, two.

Speaker 2 It has to be that.

Speaker 2 That will be the photo.

Speaker 2 Oh my god. Oh, Nick.

Speaker 2 Isn't that cunchy to do?

Speaker 2 You're going to break that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, careful.

Speaker 2 Isn't that cute? That is really cool.

Speaker 2 I love it. Make a punch.
It's the new flip phone.

Speaker 2 We weren't working. Hold on, I have to take this.

Speaker 2 Whatever, bitch.

Speaker 2 I love to be like such a little, like a, it makes me feel like a little coquettish when I'm in my bathroom and I just like go do like that to the mirror and then I take a FaceTime while I'm like doing my shit.

Speaker 2 What's up? Talk to me. What's going on?

Speaker 2 Are you okay? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I do feel bad whenever I do that in the mirror because that's

Speaker 2 the market on it.

Speaker 2 It's not a perfect science, but

Speaker 2 I need to get one.

Speaker 2 I have two.

Speaker 2 Do you have two? But he's got two. See, this is what he is designed.
Who is this? This is balls. Jigglypuff.
That's Jigglytop.

Speaker 2 It's a fidget spinner on a Jigglytop. This makes so much sense.
Yeah. Balls, holes.
Balls, holes. Yeah, literally.
Oh, my God. I mean, this is sucking up.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 my God.

Speaker 2 Was my phone broken because I would deserve it. I think it's okay.
Oh my god, it's so big. It's so pretty.

Speaker 2 That is so pretty.

Speaker 2 OMG.

Speaker 2 So now you know it's really not yours. Wait, and yours is like

Speaker 2 for everyone at home that's just listening to this, we are sort of looking at each other's phone gadgets. And

Speaker 2 I have something that, like, you can stick to the mirror and it keeps your phone up. And Bowen has like...

Speaker 2 Gender, Jigglypuff, right now. Yeah, what is

Speaker 2 in the show? What's the Jigglypuff's gender in the show? Because Bowen thinks he knows, and I think I know. I think Jigglypuff in the show

Speaker 2 is he. Okay.

Speaker 2 That's not what Bowen thinks. I think she.
She, her.

Speaker 2 They, them.

Speaker 2 They, them. She, him.

Speaker 2 I don't think any of the Pokemons have gender. That's true.
They actually have. They really don't.
They do.

Speaker 2 Oh, actually, maybe some.

Speaker 2 Is that actually true? Yeah, of course. Oh, you guys haven't played since Gen 1.
It's been so long. So there's no female Pikachu.
There is a female Pikachu.

Speaker 2 She looks the same as a male Pikachu.

Speaker 2 There are certain Pokemon that appear different and evolve to branch out evolutionarily based on their gender. So Nidoran goes to Nido.
Oh, right. Nidorina or Nidorina and then Nito King, Nito Queen.

Speaker 2 But then there are other things where like a female, you know,

Speaker 2 a female, I think,

Speaker 2 Snorunt goes into Frost Last. So a male Snowless in the 150, and that means I should recognize that.
So, no. This is the thing.
So some of them there's only one, right?

Speaker 2 Like there's only one of the three mysterious.

Speaker 2 There's one Mew.

Speaker 2 There's one legendary bird. Yeah, of course.
Oh, legendary bird. That's a mystic bird.
Jinx. Jinx.
Yes, Jinx is. There's some.
Miltank is always female. Jinx is always female.
Yes.

Speaker 2 You know what Pokemon I literally never got to fuck with because I didn't have the version of the game that they were in. I think they were in blue version and I only had red and then yellow? Magmar.

Speaker 2 Could never fuck with Magmar. Never.
Don't even know her. Never met her.
Him. I don't know.
Yeah, it depends.

Speaker 2 That one can be both gender.

Speaker 2 There are. Yes, most Pokemon

Speaker 2 are any gender. Yeah, they're all sexy.

Speaker 2 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 No, okay, if you love him or capital H I M

Speaker 2 M

Speaker 2 Put your paws.

Speaker 2 You were born this way, baby.

Speaker 2 My mother told me when I was young, we were all both superstars.

Speaker 2 We poetry old.

Speaker 2 There's nothing wrong with loving who you are. She said, Cause it made you perfect, babe.

Speaker 2 The road

Speaker 2 you go far.

Speaker 2 Listen to me, what I'll say.

Speaker 2 I'm beautiful in my way. Cause God makes no mistake.
I'm on the right track, baby. I was born this way.

Speaker 2 We want to sing.

Speaker 2 Don't add yourself.

Speaker 2 I'm on the right track, baby. I was born this way.

Speaker 2 When you first heard that song, I was in Delaware.

Speaker 2 And I,

Speaker 2 yeah, that changed my life. Dog guys huge for you? Yes.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 that was like... Because I also,

Speaker 2 I wasn't like out necessarily to anyone. I mean, I in high school, there was a few people I would like talk to about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh yeah, there were, yeah, like three or four friends, girlies, yeah, and also like my best friend's also like a gay guy, so like still to this day, same person, no, but like, but we were, we like grew up together and like, and we had each other to like go through all that, so that was like really, really like, I was so lucky, yeah,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 yeah, like, I feel like in college, just going out and, you know, meeting new friends, like meeting new people, like, I was just so scared of like

Speaker 2 that, like, anyone finding out, even though I've always been exactly like this. And so,

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 you know, but still, like, it was like a, you know, so then when that came out, like, I was kind of just like,

Speaker 2 I also developed a crush on this guy that I became friends with. It was my first

Speaker 2 crush on a guy. And I got true.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I had feelings for him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I had feelings.
So painful. I was like,

Speaker 2 did he

Speaker 2 find out? I told him. Eventually, I broke down and I told him.
Was it that you broke down and told him that you were gay? You broke down and told him that you were gay and had feelings for him. Wow.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 was he kind? He was so kind about it. I was like, I was very crazy about it.
And

Speaker 2 yeah. But,

Speaker 2 that single came out in the beginning of that year, of like 2011, from my memory of it. And then

Speaker 2 that summer, like, that was the last time I saw him and I never saw him again. But then that summer, that album came out, I think, or something around that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Bin Laden. Right.

Speaker 2 Is that true? Yes. Bin Laden and Gaga.
And Ga, and Born This Way. So wait, what a mama Skidmore?

Speaker 2 But Born This Way, the single came out in February of 2011. Yes.
And yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, wow. So that was February.
And then that was when Matt and I were like kind of like bonding for the first time, meaningfully. We were like screaming it.
Singing it along. Singing Born This Way.

Speaker 2 And then... I forget that that song was a part of that.
Yeah. I think

Speaker 2 you know what? This is famously. It took me a little bit longer.
to get fully on board. Sure.
Actually, it was not until art pop that I was like riding hard for Gog Rock, yeah, I definitely

Speaker 2 hard also. Like, I was um, for Halloween 2013, I was like her VMA performance

Speaker 2 with the mermaid, or no, the whiteboard, yeah, the whiteboard. No, that was Jesus.

Speaker 2 I feel your heart beating

Speaker 2 in your hands,

Speaker 2 my

Speaker 2 dance

Speaker 2 pull on the a trigger.

Speaker 2 Ready?

Speaker 2 Ready?

Speaker 2 It's show

Speaker 2 time.

Speaker 2 Just a teeth. Oh, yeah, and everyone.

Speaker 2 That is one of the best performances in

Speaker 2 the eyes. I was like...
Into applause.

Speaker 2 And then all those changes, the costume changes, like,

Speaker 2 oh, my, I like, I re-watch that still when I need like inspiration, which is

Speaker 2 Taylor Swift's favorite Lady Gaga song. Really? Applause?

Speaker 2 She played before every Aerostor show. Yes.

Speaker 2 And Gaga says that Taylor Swift came up to her at a party and was like, I love applause. And she was at first like, okay, this girl coming up telling me she likes applause.
Why?

Speaker 2 Because it's like the last single. Yeah, yeah.
And then like. legitimately like in private people would be like taylor is blasting

Speaker 2 applause right now she was like okay this girl's the real dude she actually loves applause it's uh like she plays it at the aerospace it's so good i'm actually this is inspiring me and i'm gonna i'm gonna go there for my i don't think so honey oh and it's it's gonna

Speaker 2 look it's it's i might be like

Speaker 2 biting the hand what do you mean biting the hand uh just just you wait just you wait this makes me nervous no no no i'm not biting the hand i'm just saying like there's something that i want as as as a as a true little monster and we're all little monsters here definitely there's something that i think should happen but i you know i i i say this as a as a fan, of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I just want to point out that Born This Way,

Speaker 2 people like, are you saying that there is a direct link between you coming out and that, that, that album coming out?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like, this is the thing that people don't realize.
That was like. That unleashed something in the world.
It gave permission to a lot of people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, and you have, that's why people ride so fucking hard for Gaga. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Actually, found recently, I found, I have like a few bins of just like college, like, because I studied photography.

Speaker 2 So, like, I have like negatives and slots, like pictures, whatever, and, and, like, paperwork notebooks. And so, I found a little notebook, I guess, I used to bring around with me.

Speaker 2 I don't really remember this, but I found a page that a loose page just like torn off. And I wrote quotes that I guess I was inspired by.
I literally wrote, um,

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 wait, what was it? Like, born this way? Yeah, it was born this way lyrics. I forget exactly which one.
People don't really.

Speaker 2 I think it's so easy for people that have either been in cities for a long time or are exposed to, you know, more complex kinds of social dynamics and social scenes and

Speaker 2 sexualities and things like that. Like, people take for granted how important it is to be explicit sometimes in messaging.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Because I feel like, you know, before Gaga, obviously, there was Madonna. madonna like was like you know like her messaging was very explicit

Speaker 2 people loved her and then of course like she'd do so much work that was then more like you know for her experimental and things like that and then people were able to get on board with it but only because she had been made an explicit connection with her fans and her messaging and so Gaga saying you are born this way and it doesn't matter what you are you're amazing yeah like that opens the door to then literally art pop which was so many many things hard to quantify, hard to boil down.

Speaker 2 But it's like that with Chapel Rone, too. You know what I mean? Like Pink Pony Club.
This is a place that I'm explicitly

Speaker 2 realizing for you where you belong.

Speaker 2 And I think sometimes people, it's almost like why overcompensating, I think, is connecting so much too, because

Speaker 2 there is power and there is real like benefit to just being explicit and clear

Speaker 2 because so many people need that, even if if like we may not or you may not there was a time that you really did right absolutely yeah so oh that's so beautiful that's so true i think like it's so easy to like or not easy i don't that's not the right word it's like we just take it for granted yeah absolutely we do we truly do and i think sometimes like to create things too and sometimes you want to hide behind

Speaker 2 the direct the actual messaging of something which totally makes sense sometimes as an artistic choice or an expression or something like maybe sometimes you don't want to be so deliberately of course you know like this is what this is you know whatever but like and there's power in that too and like people interpreting things for sure but but it is like

Speaker 2 songs like that absolutely just like

Speaker 2 enter your like

Speaker 2 heart and

Speaker 2 what it is it's like oh they're telling

Speaker 2 me exactly what it is that I feel like that's exactly it like and I think sometimes there's like especially in 2011, like that whole because there was also so much like

Speaker 2 you know, indie too, and this type of

Speaker 2 that also had, like, was so expressive too, and felt so like, but also I felt like I was constantly on songmeetings.com, like, okay, now what does this one mean?

Speaker 2 I'm so stirred and like moved by these songs, but like, what the hell does this mean?

Speaker 2 Right, you know, and I'm like, I still look at GM, yeah, and I'm still, I'm still, like, kind of trying to, like, what are they, you know, and I'm like, well, you know, but but then at the same time something like that to come out and also to just like pierce through and and just like pull out your heart and just and just be like you know it's okay and yeah because it's funny how like

Speaker 2 the lyrics to Born This Way are so straightforward and like the story of it is so straightforward But she was doing such crazy stuff in terms of style and aesthetics and even sound

Speaker 2 that it's like it's like it's I remember when it came out people were like oh this is like like like the cynical people were like this is like more basic than something like bad romance or poker face that had like layers to it like poker face is kind of like when you read it on the page you're kind of like what is what is this yeah like what it's it's it's dealing in metaphor right right right whereas like born this way wasn't and like there was this idea that like it was like more basic and that was bad but like i don't think it's basic to be explicit i think you know like you can you just get away with other things and you find other ways to dynamicize if that's a word what you're doing yeah right that sounds like a word

Speaker 2 it does sound like a word but i wonder if we go if we looked it up if it would be dynamic i think i actually have like dynamicize dynamicize dynamicize geharden

Speaker 2 dynamic

Speaker 2 kakon

Speaker 2 i love dynamicism can you can you do what you do you remember what you did during when we were doing the earthquake like oh yeah

Speaker 2 what were you when the earthquake happened when you guys liked it?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wow, yeah.
We were like, whoa, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was that. Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God. Now we're getting started.
Oh, God.

Speaker 2 This is the thing of the screen. This is the favorite.

Speaker 2 Holy fuck.

Speaker 2 Oh, baby.

Speaker 2 Wait.

Speaker 2 This bit is my

Speaker 2 this actually is my second favorite bit that you do. Do you know what the first one is? I don't know what to do with it.
It's you on the roller coaster. Oh, yeah.
Because I've been doing it.

Speaker 2 Which is part of my live show, which everyone should consider. Have you ever seen anyone perform? Being on a roller coaster?

Speaker 2 Well, not only being on a roller coaster, being on a is it that you're on a date on a roller coaster and you're sort of pretending you're okay with what's happening, but you're very scared.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm very scared to go on the ride. I've never been on a roller coaster before.
Yeah. And it builds up and it does.

Speaker 2 One one of the things he literally gets so right is the g-forces like when it weighs on your butt and you kind of pass out and you're kind of going

Speaker 2 i remember just i forgot where you were doing it but i was watching it and i was just like feeling so seen because it reminded me of like nitro you know it's twice

Speaker 2 when you're going on the helix at the end and you're like oh and you kind of pass out oh my god i remember anna gastyre was there too oh my god it was that that show.

Speaker 2 It was the Chuck C music hall.

Speaker 2 Yes, that was really Chuck C. So nervous.
She was there. She was so warm in front of her.
Yeah. I know.
She was so, like, she was into it. She was great.
So

Speaker 2 easy to talk to, very warm. Whenever you, whenever,

Speaker 2 because now we've been lucky enough to be around a lot of those women that like when we were coming

Speaker 2 the ones. Oh, my God.
And like, it'll happen more and more. But the thing is, like, you are nervous because you care so much what they think, but then you realize they're just sketch comedians too.

Speaker 2 Right. You know what I mean? So it's so surprising how quickly it can go from like, um,

Speaker 2 you know, the reverence to also being like,

Speaker 2 like, there's that, there's that person making their noises and doing their things and doing their bits, which is really like who they are. But yet, they are these like.

Speaker 2 I just want to go up to Amy Poehler and be like, meep. You could.
You could. She would love it.
She would

Speaker 2 start.

Speaker 2 She would love it.

Speaker 2 We hope you're watching this, Amy. Amy.
Amy, hi. This is Richard.
You need to know, Richard. It's so lovely to meet you.

Speaker 2 Thank you for listening this far if you have. And I hope you're having a good time.
I hope she didn't turn it off with the whole part. Yeah, she's like,

Speaker 2 I don't want to hear this.

Speaker 2 Enough of this. God damn it.

Speaker 2 This is her.

Speaker 2 Get this.

Speaker 2 You know what's a good bit? I remember when Rachel went to Spi and I used to do this bit.

Speaker 2 No, it'd be

Speaker 2 No, it'll be

Speaker 2 it would be

Speaker 2 have you made it with us since groove days?

Speaker 2 I was telling you

Speaker 2 back. I would have been groove back.

Speaker 2 It'd be like, guys, I think there's something there's something in this. Hold on, be careful.
This is gonna be crazy.

Speaker 2 That was scary. It was so scary.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 I'm so serious.

Speaker 2 Be careful.

Speaker 2 Fuck. I knew it.
What was that?

Speaker 2 Fucking god.

Speaker 2 I liked it.

Speaker 2 This is one of those episodes that people are going to be like, we can't see it. We can't see it.

Speaker 2 We have a YouTube channel. There's a YouTube channel.
I know. YouTube, as you know.
Wait, is doing this and is the bunny feet? That's photography major.

Speaker 2 I do know that's part of my photographic practice that I feel like I don't think. I don't take pictures a lot? No.
But I do want to get back into it.

Speaker 2 But you know how to present something visual or communicate something visually. I think compositionally a lot.
That's perfect. And in terms of your comedy, too? Maybe, yeah.
Of course.

Speaker 2 Describe what you mean. Like,

Speaker 2 even just like building up my show, like, I was like, thinking in that like cinematically a little bit or just kind of like, or when I'm envisioning myself myself in the scenes or something, it's like I'm thinking from a, I'm like, oh, like, this would be like here.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We got to get you a special or something.
Yeah. Like this one you're working on now, would you hope to televise it? I would, yeah.

Speaker 2 And I hope to do like more. More, yeah.
Yeah. You force me.

Speaker 2 If it was really like one of those experiences, I was just like, I love acting. Yeah, yeah.
And I really. Well, you are an actor.
You are. Like, you are.

Speaker 2 Like, like, I feel like some people, this is not to say, but I feel like this. Like, I did comedy because I wanted to act.
I don't know. I think a lot of gay guys,

Speaker 2 queer people

Speaker 2 out here, like, I definitely, I didn't see, like, doing comedy for myself. Like, I never thought I'd be that person like doing sets.
Like, it was all a means to an end. I don't know how you guys feel.

Speaker 2 I was weirdly like wanting to. Yeah, I was wanting to act, but I was like, I didn't give myself the permission to.

Speaker 2 So I was like, I would be so happy in like a writer's room, but there's like a staff job in a writer. Because you in your head were like mitigating it to that to not like any expectations.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not gonna be in, I'm not gonna be in movies or anything. Like, truly honesty.
I was like, I'm not gonna, they're not, no one's gonna want to do that.

Speaker 2 Right, so it was like self-protection, but also

Speaker 2 something you convinced yourself was true. Yeah, like I would like

Speaker 2 stop at like Simpsons episodes and be like, okay, who wrote that? Okay, oh, this person, you know, like, I, like, I got really

Speaker 2 just eye-rolly granular about that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, but, do you know, do you know how what that was for you? Like what what compelled you to perform?

Speaker 2 Um, I feel like ultimately, I mean, around this time, you know, 2007,

Speaker 2 I feel like I

Speaker 2 was thinking about going to like auditioning to like get into a program or something privately. I didn't really, I talked to like maybe one or two friends about that in high school, but like

Speaker 2 I was way too scared. And I was just like, oh, like, I don't know, like, people

Speaker 2 will

Speaker 2 and it was more like, you know, just being closeted and being like, oh, like, I don't know, people will like sniff it out and make fun of me, or I don't know, like, there was something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, no one's gonna be rooting for me. Yeah, and so I was just like, there's no way I'll ever do that.

Speaker 2 But then I fell, I did fall in love with like photography, and that's a different perspective. And, like, and that was so thrilling, and I loved doing that.

Speaker 2 And sometimes, like, when I just like look at, you know, photo books or like I'm at an art show, or just even like just reminiscing i'm just like oh yeah i'm so like captivated by this

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 i

Speaker 2 feel like

Speaker 2 comedy uh

Speaker 2 i love performing live like i have so much fun but i don't know if like i see myself yeah like having like

Speaker 2 like stand-up set or or something like that what you do is so beyond that like i that's when i feel i feel like you're like cape brillant you're like cola scola like that's richard you know what i mean like i feel like you can do whatever you want to do because you're that good i really feel like so safe when you're performing yeah like i really and i really feel like what you do is like brand new and so specific to you that's like one of the reasons why like

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's like I haven't, sometimes I'm like, I haven't been around in a while. I know.
I feel that way. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Like watching shows and stuff, but you make me excited to go watch like live stuff again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. Thank you.
So people should be going to see. Yeah, definitely, guys.

Speaker 2 I haven't been to Union Hall in so many years.

Speaker 2 July 12th. Come with me.
Oh. I'm going to be in God.
Well, I'm going to be in LA. Oh, you'll be in London.
Just come back. I'm coming.

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Speaker 2 Well, time to do it. I don't think so, honey.
And my thing is, I don't have one yet. So can you go first? Because you definitely do.
Yeah, sure. And maybe something in yours will inspire me.
Well,

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I have one. No, no, no.
I'll go first.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm going to have one,

Speaker 2 but, and it will will happen. Here we go.
So, all right. I mean, should we be nervous? No, I'm not nervous.
This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. Please, please, I need an art pop song in the Mayhem Ball.
Just one.

Speaker 2 Just one. That would be good.
I understand,

Speaker 2 gaga, that that was a very, very tumultuous time in your life, but here we are talking about art pop in the way that we have the patina on that.

Speaker 2 And now we say, if you gave gave us applause, hopefully you think that that is a song that has aged enough. You have enough distance from that time in your life that you

Speaker 2 it is such a brilliant narrative. If you're saving it for the narrative for I'm not going to do anything off of R Pop for a decade now, we're on a decade of no R pop live anywhere.

Speaker 2 It would be so major. It would be such a euphoric

Speaker 2 release for the little monsters out there. I'm not saying, I'm not telling you what to do, Gaga.
I love you. I would die for you.

Speaker 2 You don't have to say think about anything that I say. Five seconds.
But I think I would weep, and I'm not a crier because I'm on SSRIs.

Speaker 2 I would weep if you sang any song off art pop. And that's one minute.

Speaker 2 See, I'm not on an SSRI and I feel that I'm confident you would cry. I would, I know, I absolutely know for sure that I would.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Cause I feel like I, what would happen to me if she performed from art pop is I would be on the floor in a fucking puddle, like dead, like not alive.

Speaker 2 So the fractional you have to at least be crying of course I think applause is sort of the the the safest choice for her and for us it's like people would get excited for applause she would sing applause and it's like it's it's so it's so conceptually interesting it's obviously had a life of its own since era's tour truly it's like such a thing like era's tour it's like okay the show is about to start like they're playing applause like it has lived on in such a such a beautiful way yeah you just got excited i have i have my i don't think so honey based on this question okay.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's again, it's a roll of the dice, and I'm gonna risk it because I really do believe this. Risk it.
This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. Can we not,

Speaker 2 I understand we're not supposed to use the term gypsy, but can we listen to and love the song gypsy, please?

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like sometimes there's like a little bit of angst around the song Gypsy because of the term gypsy, of course. Like, but I feel like that is a peak of that album.

Speaker 2 Like, Gypsy is one of the great Lady Gaga songs. And, like,

Speaker 2 it also opens the door for so many other things. I kind of believe it opens the door to, like, Babylon in a way.
Like, it's like

Speaker 2 Gypsy is like a brand of Lady Gaga song that I don't want to forget. No.
Like, and I really feel like it's an important installment and it's an important canon in Gaga culture.

Speaker 2 I think it would tear if Gaga did Gypsy at the May Don.

Speaker 2 I really think that that could be a die between someone. And I think it's going to hit everyone so much harder.
I think applause, obviously, G-U-Y-W, I'm a Donatella stand. I think it would go crazy.

Speaker 2 Spash on. Yeah, oh, please.
I mean, audience. But gypsy, and I don't want us to be afraid of it.
I think we all know the deal, but gypsy, hey, I do think so, honey.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna see gypsy gypsy. Hey.

Speaker 2 Don't you know?

Speaker 2 I feel like there was a little bit of a time there in that, like, sort of like, you know, like over-correcty time period where people were like, we can't do gypsy.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you guys, like, if we can, if we're going to comb through all of Gaga's lyrics, like, it's not, we're not going to, like, it's just not just such a great.

Speaker 2 The brand of song that you're talking about, that Gaga song that you're talking about, is like when she is doing, when she's just at the piano, doing her channeling maybe Billy Joel or Elton.

Speaker 2 Like, I love Gaga at the piano

Speaker 2 in Germany. In Germany.
Like, these odds.

Speaker 2 The mustache. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Our pop era, which she had the blonde, bleached mustache and she had the contacts in. Yeah.
Weeping.

Speaker 2 I mean, I love that.

Speaker 2 Gypsy, like her daddy gypsy like that.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. The only way I can describe it is like, it's sort of, you know what else it speaks to, which also really should be performed more, is Edge of Glory.

Speaker 2 Oh, Edge of Glory is one of the greatest

Speaker 2 pop songs ever,

Speaker 2 ever.

Speaker 2 And so, the fact that that's the same brand, though, same tone. You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 I think, I think, and so far, like the Gaga Cello moments, Gaga Cabana, like all those Singapore, this like pre-mei Himbalt, like tour sheet, like the piano songs have been shallow, yeah and

Speaker 2 I'm forgetting one other one I mean you wouldn't and you wouldn't want to yeah yeah Spanish and you wouldn't want to lose any of those that's the thing but we're now at this place with gaga where it's like you can watch even a two two and a half hour set of hers oh

Speaker 2 three and a half four no way

Speaker 2 but like you could have like a super long set and you'd still

Speaker 2 lose like oh my gosh so many songs on the catalog that you would want to hear yes so many like even at the Gagacella, gaga

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, wow, she didn't do that one. She didn't do that one.
She didn't do that one. And you could just keep going.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I don't want the narratives to be like, oh, she didn't do anything else Joe Wayne. She didn't do anything else chromatic.
It's like, I think it's totally at her discretion.

Speaker 2 I do think the bubble is about to burst on. We've been blueballed out of anything, anything art pop in 12 years.

Speaker 2 And it's out of love that we say. It's out of love and enjoyment that we say.
And also, yeah, I mean, Venus, babe. Oh, like

Speaker 2 Venus. Can you touch me?

Speaker 2 Just a little inside.

Speaker 2 I wonder if this could be her. This could be love.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 we've performed that live more than Gaga.

Speaker 2 It tears down everyone's

Speaker 2 fuck. Yes.
Self-produced.

Speaker 2 She produced that song herself.

Speaker 2 I mean, she should be so proud of Gagoon of that entire album, but especially. I saw her at Roseland Ballroom.
She closed it down.

Speaker 2 oh my god so yeah yeah oh yeah so i saw i saw beyonce four there she did four shows

Speaker 2 four shows of the album yes it was 2011 the summer of 2011.

Speaker 2 it was four she did four shows at roseland ballroom and they were by far up till that point because now i've seen her since and obviously so she it's gotten even better we just saw her at the intimate venue at the time i was like that is the most special intimate performance of something so big I had ever seen.

Speaker 2 And that, and then the real gag was

Speaker 2 like two months later, or shortly after, she did the blue Ivy Carter baby bump reveal on the VMAs.

Speaker 2 And I realized in that moment that she had been pregnant the entire time. Holy shit.
Which was really crazy. Yes.
That was crazy. She knew she was pregnant.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And I remember, and then it made me, because one of the most emotional moments of the whole thing was her doing OnePlus One. Oh.
And because Jay was there, et cetera.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, wow, she really just like ripped a fucking hole into that song. And I realized I was like, oh, it's because she knew she was pregnant with her first child.
Damn. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 And dancing, like

Speaker 2 no, you've never seen.

Speaker 2 There's the end of time, sort of like live music video. That's just her at the Roseland doing an end of time.
I'm like, fuck, just rules. Got like little kicks she was doing with her legs.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 So good. We heard Girls Run the World in the Streets before the Paris show.
We were like, this song, too. I mean, her too, like her VMA Vanguard, like

Speaker 2 everything of like the 13-minute or however long. That was after the self-titled, right? Yeah,

Speaker 2 that is also something that I'm like, oh, just to watch to be like energized and invigorated. Like, it's so, she's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 We haven't even really gotten on the mic since then to really talk about the Cowboy Carter show. But the part I was most excited for, but I went to see were the visuals.
Were the visuals?

Speaker 2 The visuals were.

Speaker 2 Speak on the visuals. Well, the visuals were.
I mean, when I turned him out, I was like, this was a kajillion different setups and costumes and hair moments and like

Speaker 2 lighting, gaffing moments. And she, and they're so, and I say like thrown away because it was just like half second, half second, half second, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut.

Speaker 2 I was like, they, this must have taken months, months to shoot.

Speaker 2 And it's all for these interstellars.

Speaker 2 We were like, she very easily could have done like a cow and may have done like a cowboy carter feature film because not only were there so many gorgeous, like high-quality cinematic setups and costumes, whatever, but she was acting.

Speaker 2 It's the best acting she's ever done in these Cowboy Card visuals.

Speaker 2 There's a moment where she is like in a fight with a woman at a bar and she takes a beer bottle and just smashes it over her visit and she never breaks.

Speaker 2 You know, what would you call it? It's more vignettes. It's vignettes.
It's vignettes that like really do an amazing job of like.

Speaker 2 I did not realize that I was getting distracted so that she could quick change and then come out the other side of it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 No, anyone going to the bathroom during the visuals, like big mistakes.

Speaker 2 It's hard to say you missed one of the best parts because the whole thing, but it was like you could not pull away from that tour because there was always something cool happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah, always the whole time.

Speaker 2 Are you going?

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 You came anywhere in this show.

Speaker 2 I rarely go to concerts. It's because we like them.
I just need to, I need to literally be like sat like right next to them. And I need them to personally invite me.

Speaker 2 You'd prefer that Beyoncé just sit you down. She's like, Richard, I got a seat for you.
Enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, and then I'll be like, okay, fine.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much. Man,

Speaker 2 okay. You ready for? I don't think so, honey.
Oh, right. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. Right, okay.

Speaker 2 I've been listening since 2018. Yeah, right, lying ass.

Speaker 2 Are you serious? Richard Perez, I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 The people who were unkind

Speaker 2 when I was a little boy, walking the streets of New Jersey with my goddamn headphones on, bitch.

Speaker 2 Okay?

Speaker 2 Okay. Life is no fun, Nuclear Waters, they say.

Speaker 2 I try to have fun. I'm listening with my bag of CDs

Speaker 2 rumbling, rumbling around. And you shout something unkind to me while I'm listening to Juno.
Do you know who the fuck you're talking to? Rachel.

Speaker 2 Do you know who the fuck you're talking to? Let him know.

Speaker 2 You know.

Speaker 2 15. But I thought that that was so uncalled for and very, very unkind to do to a young, young child.
But I wish you well, and I hope that you're okay. But never do that again.

Speaker 2 And if you are doing that, if you are doing that, if I find out you are shouting unkind things to kids from your car,

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. I'm going to do something about it, and that's one minute.
That must have been horrible. That must have been hard.
That was my princess origin story,

Speaker 2 literally, period. Yeah, and also, can you imagine

Speaker 2 shouting something at a child? That's sick. It's so truly fucking crazy that anyone would ever do that.
Yeah, it's crazy from a car. From a car, like you're in the most fucking cowardly position.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You pussy. I'm sorry.
Literally,

Speaker 2 You pussy. I think that's what they were.
Yeah. Stilettos

Speaker 2 category.

Speaker 2 I'm the bar.

Speaker 2 My favorite, one of my favorite Beyoncé moments ever recorded,

Speaker 2 the way she says, don't even waste your time trying to compete with me. Like, are you kidding me? Wait, what's that from? I'm a superstar star.
Oh, okay. Don't even.

Speaker 2 We were laughing because, like, it's the Cowboy Carter World Tour, and then she does Renaissance for three songs. She's like, Welcome to the Renaissance.

Speaker 2 But there's already been, like, kind of five songs from Renaissance, Strone Without, and it's Cozy Cuff It and I Lillian Superstar.

Speaker 2 She basically does, like, the first few songs of the album, and then she calls that the Renaissance section.

Speaker 2 But she also does thick.

Speaker 2 Thick, to me, was the moment of the show. America has a problem.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, no. America Was a Problem was everything.
Because that's when Beyonce is funny. With her little

Speaker 2 I feel like Beyonce is so hilarious. She's hilarious.
I feel like she, like, oh my gosh, y'all need to get her on here. I feel like she would be like...
I feel like she just doesn't do this.

Speaker 2 She doesn't do that kind of thing. But I feel like if, like, you ever, like, I don't know.
I'm so curious, like, her, just, like, backstage, like, with her people. Like, I feel like she's like funny.

Speaker 2 Well, you forget how many interviews she used to do. But you know what? And I feel like she's also, I have a feeling she's really good at impressions.

Speaker 2 Interesting. Well, remember, like, like, during, I think, Sasha Fierce,

Speaker 2 she would do like these anecdotes. She would have banter on stage.
And there was one famous one. She was like,

Speaker 2 one time I came home. My husband goes, Beyonce, have you gone swimming?

Speaker 2 Because your nose sounds all clogged up. And like, that's like...
That's like a bunch of people. She was doing stand-up.

Speaker 2 She was doing stand-up and she was like doing act outs as Jay-Z. Yeah.
Being like, have you gone swimming?

Speaker 2 It was her JFL showcase at the time.

Speaker 2 She wanted to go to Montreal. Beyonce wanted an SNL on the show.
Well, she was famously in the single lady sketch. She was really different.

Speaker 2 She knew exactly how to play it. And she was very good.
It was clowns. Clowns.
Well,

Speaker 2 your princess origin story is something that we can all learn from. Definitely.
What would you say to all the princesses out there?

Speaker 2 I would say to all the princesses out there there to just follow your heart and stay true to who you are and have a drink a lot of water and have a really good day.

Speaker 2 Put your best foot forward and take care of yourself. I know.
Others. Well, I know that everyone would benefit from going to see Richard perform live.
I love you.

Speaker 2 You're one of my favorite live performers. I think you're so good.
I know Bowen. I'm spectacular.
Of course. We always talk about how funny you are.
We love you a lot.

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Speaker 2 This is the theme song to the Hills. We end every episode with a song, and this is one of the greatest songs of all time.
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Speaker 2 Let's go back

Speaker 2 to the Guda Beach.

Speaker 2 No. This is the Hills.
The Hills is unwritten. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Oh, why?

Speaker 2 Then this is Laguna Beach.

Speaker 2 The Della Facts. Oh, sorry.
Which is the one. Wait, wait, this is the one.
The one you re-watched was Laguna Beach, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.
Sorry, okay, great. Sorry.

Speaker 2 I'm not even going to have it cut out. I'm just going to say that was my mistake.
No, no, no. It's okay.

Speaker 2 I should have just, I should have just. Oh, he meant Laguna Beach.
And I should have. I feel like I said, no, no, no, no, because I made a mistake.
Here we go.

Speaker 2 Let's go back

Speaker 2 to the beginning.

Speaker 2 Back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all alight.

Speaker 2 This is like an odyssey of its own.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 Didn't seem so perfect.

Speaker 2 Trying to fit a square into a circle was no line.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 defy.

Speaker 2 Let the rain fall down and wake my dreams. Let it wall show away my sanity.

Speaker 2 Cause I wanna feel the thunder. I wanna scream, let the rain fall down,

Speaker 2 I'm coming clean. Give it to the camera,

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Speaker 2 What did you say, babe? I said babe, like the way that the way that Richard did. Zaram, babe, Zara,

Speaker 2 oh

Speaker 2 no,

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