"RSVP Yes" (w/ Allison Williams)

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Speaker 2 You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

Speaker 29 It literally happened to me yesterday.

Speaker 37 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset.

Speaker 46 Right?

Speaker 10 There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice-cold Diet Coke.

Speaker 48 It just hits.

Speaker 28 It's my little me moment, like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

Speaker 12 Exactly.

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Speaker 52 look man

Speaker 53 oh i see my eye oh my boy look over there wow is that culture yes goodness wow lost culturistas

Speaker 55 ding dong lost culturistas happen and here's the thing happened happened

Speaker 52 we're keeping it

Speaker 56 lost i think the reason why i did that is because the thing that you don't know is that lost culturistas like has been happening it's been happening

Speaker 62 oh that's beautiful what a great spin thank you

Speaker 64 i'm getting good at the spin the more i'm in in the biz.

Speaker 59 No, I literally hit the ground.

Speaker 42 Boots on the ground, got to stay.

Speaker 68 There's something about our guests that idiots.

Speaker 60 Devase. Yeah,

Speaker 70 like a gay man in his 30s.

Speaker 26 Oh, baby. Let me tell you something.
The way I was up at seven, I actually woke up and like kind of shot out.

Speaker 71 You woke up at seven, too?

Speaker 46 How's your jet lag, by the way?

Speaker 26 I think I'm okay.

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You need time shifter. What is that?

Speaker 67 Oh, is that the app?

Speaker 46 That's my jet lag app.

Speaker 26 Okay, you know what I did do?

Speaker 42 Nyquil.

Speaker 62 And that actually rolled the dice.

Speaker 26 It was a roll of the dice, but I mean, I slept for at least a hard six and a half.

Speaker 66 Great.

Speaker 26 But that doesn't even compare to what happened to our guests.

Speaker 69 Right. Oh.

Speaker 26 I think she said three hours, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, three and a half hours. Because the world premiere of Megan 2.0 was the first time.

Speaker 34 The world premiere of Megan 2.0 was last night.

Speaker 73 I was privileged enough to watch it from the comfort of my own home.

Speaker 74 Oh my God.

Speaker 26 With Sudi Green.

Speaker 6 Oh, you did?

Speaker 34 And we were both like, this is.

Speaker 70 It's art.

Speaker 75 This is fucking artful.

Speaker 34 There's a moment. There's so many things that I want to spoil that I can't.

Speaker 48 But there's just a moment.

Speaker 77 I'll say

Speaker 75 there is a moment that pays tribute to an important musical artist.

Speaker 34 And it's sublime.

Speaker 6 You're going to have to tell me after.

Speaker 34 I'll tell you after.

Speaker 15 No, I actually can't tell you because

Speaker 62 all of you.

Speaker 60 This is a call to action.

Speaker 68 Everyone listening needs to be.

Speaker 55 Go to the theater now.

Speaker 15 Go to the theater now.

Speaker 70 Our guest goes to me.

Speaker 26 Do you think people are going to go? I was like, girl, of course they're going to go. Here's the thing.

Speaker 26 If I went to a horror movie in the theater, which I did for the first one, Formative Memory, then you know people are going. Like, if me, Matt Rogers, went to a horror film.

Speaker 40 Went to a horror film.

Speaker 26 And I'm working myself up from this one. And this is the thing about our guest.
No, no, no. Bona fide scream queen.

Speaker 42 Bona fide scream queen.

Speaker 26 I said it deserved Oscar nomination for get out. 1,000.

Speaker 26 Well, I said that movie, like, obviously works for many reasons, but one of the key components is the fact that our guest's performance is so good. Perfect casting, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 26 Like, and just like the niche that we found here, and obviously, we haven't even said the word Marnie yet. This, the best character

Speaker 78 in television history, one of the great characters, Tony Soprano.

Speaker 26 You could never have sung stronger like that. You could never have left the checkpoints go by like that, like Marnie.

Speaker 34 You could never have had a panic in Central Park episode.

Speaker 26 You were too self-conscious to ever be Marnie.

Speaker 34 You know, you know what line where you kind of like ping, pings, pings in my head? What?

Speaker 34 I'm Megita.

Speaker 53 Megita Perez.

Speaker 52 everyone's magita perez is here please welcome the tears magita perez hey guys allison williams

Speaker 85 hey guys i'm laughing so hard my c-section is no no

Speaker 86 please don't don't rip open in a good way it's old now hi

Speaker 89 well this is the thing like immediate warm vibes towards you and that makes me so happy i literally feel like i've known you for years i've also been listening for years you are my culture you are it's surreal to be here i almost forgot that i was like gonna participate because i'm just watching what i watch all the time you're the name

Speaker 53 of award you're the allison Williams Cool Girl Award how do you have a question for you about that

Speaker 100 okay I'm it's obviously an honor and it's also confusing yeah because I'm like well the whole bit is that I'm not cool and so it's like a very it's a real bullseye of a and Angie Kay as a recipient is like an honor beyond belief as a real housewives of Salt Lake City like fanatic I just can't these guys know I already told them I met Meredith last night

Speaker 26 you guys it's And you had the same reaction as Bowen Young at the Fire Island for Maryland.

Speaker 106 I tried to stop talking to her because I was like, I can't, my system isn't ready for.

Speaker 104 No one prepared me.

Speaker 108 No one was like, just so you know, you may also have to have a reserve amount of energy to interact with Meredith Marks at this amount.

Speaker 26 No one can prepare you for meeting Meredith Marks. It's actually real culture number three.
No one can prepare you for meeting Meredith Marks. It's just going to happen one day.

Speaker 52 It's true.

Speaker 111 Even if I had had all the time in the world.

Speaker 51 Right.

Speaker 26 No, this is the thing about the Allison Williams Cool Girl Award.

Speaker 69 It's about everything.

Speaker 26 It's about iconography.

Speaker 26 It's about being a symbol. And can I tell you, that's what I think it means.
And that's why Angie Kay won it is because she, I think,

Speaker 26 came into the lexicon as one thing and then superseded that. And I feel like when we met you as Marnie, like we all kind of like had a reaction, right?

Speaker 55 Because Marnie...

Speaker 113 I had a reaction that was, don't be a Marnie in your old apartment, Bo Nang.

Speaker 52 I had to remind him of that.

Speaker 63 You know what?

Speaker 64 You want to know why I remembered that sign?

Speaker 26 Bo Nang had a sign that said, don't be a Marnie.

Speaker 73 My roommate Mike Spence wrote.

Speaker 66 It was really his day.

Speaker 57 Yes.

Speaker 65 But you want to know why I remembered it because I always forgot.

Speaker 26 I always forgot not to be a Marnie.

Speaker 99 But this is like, we can't avoid it sometimes.

Speaker 26 Do you feel this way, though?

Speaker 114 I'm sure you feel this way.

Speaker 66 I'm sure you feel this way.

Speaker 34 There is something about Marnie that is like.

Speaker 34 All of us have this urgency, this like danger around not being Marnie because we all are.

Speaker 57 That is the thing.

Speaker 96 I made these mugs for the last season of the show as gifts, and I made one for each character.

Speaker 96 And like, it was, I'm a Jessa, it's fabulous.

Speaker 117 And I'm a show, it's OMG.

Speaker 118 And the one for Marnie was, I'm a Marnie, it's a bummer.

Speaker 119 And everyone who got them, I gave them to the people who felt like Marnie's and they were like, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 122 Like, I mean, so that was the vibe.

Speaker 124 I think it was too close.

Speaker 126 Gen Z is like, she's self, she's self-care.

Speaker 127 She's got boundaries. They have like new vocabulary for this.

Speaker 107 And Millennial, we were just like, we can't, it's too close.

Speaker 102 Like looking into the sun, I can't look at this person right now.

Speaker 26 You want to know what's too much?

Speaker 26 Another thing was like, I think it took me about a season and a half to realize that Marnie was like, I think I was like, because like you get, you join the show and it's like, there's Hannah being Hannah and she's like a mess and she's the protagonist.

Speaker 26 And you start the show like with a job, with a boyfriend, and then things crumble away. Yes.
So it took me a second, as did everyone else, to realize like, oh, Marnie is the mess character.

Speaker 26 And I had already lashed onto her a different way. So we were like, it's sort of a Carrie Bradshaw-esque thing of like, don't do that.

Speaker 40 We're not that.

Speaker 52 What do you mean?

Speaker 62 We're not doing that.

Speaker 99 You have clean lines.

Speaker 55 You know how to do your hair.

Speaker 26 And then all of a sudden she's singing strong. She's singing stronger.

Speaker 111 And it's like at someone else's office party, uninvited.

Speaker 26 But I couldn't laugh at it at the time because it was too close. Now every single Marnie line is a laugh line.

Speaker 134 That makes me so happy.

Speaker 100 It's honestly like, what a pleasure.

Speaker 135 It was so fun to do the first time around.

Speaker 109 And now I get to talk about it as if I'm like actively promoting it, as if it's airing currently.

Speaker 89 Right.

Speaker 70 It's so fun.

Speaker 53 What do you make of this like riggy resurgence of girls?

Speaker 57 It's the best.

Speaker 92 I think it's a little bit of what I was describing to you.

Speaker 137 Like there's enough distance.

Speaker 102 First of all, our version of New York City is like all we were worried about was like rent, roommates, boyfriends.

Speaker 138 There wasn't like existential.

Speaker 118 I mean, there were people having existential fears.

Speaker 102 And that was one of the criticisms of the show.

Speaker 95 And we did not display that experience of living in New York City at the time.

Speaker 98 Right. Right.

Speaker 141 Lena wrote what she knew, which was like those, that level of problem.

Speaker 142 There is now we live in such a hell that there is such an aspirational quality to being like the biggest thing I'm worried about is rent and boyfriend.

Speaker 55 Yeah, yeah, I need another gallery job. Exactly.

Speaker 99 And am I into art history and Taylor Loft and like all of those questions?

Speaker 144 Yeah.

Speaker 146 And not like, can I stay in this country?

Speaker 56 Right.

Speaker 99 You know, those kinds of questions.

Speaker 147 Or like, do people recognize that I'm a human?

Speaker 55 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 74 But you know, that's the world writ small, which is what we love about New York.

Speaker 57 Exactly.

Speaker 52 Exactly.

Speaker 90 But I really do think it feels now in a way that it felt so real and like grungy that people found it hard to watch.

Speaker 139 I think it now feels like almost aspirationally like low stakes.

Speaker 26 100%

Speaker 145 human level conflict. Yeah.

Speaker 26 And I remember at the time, Phil, I'm like, wow, the show really sees the reality. And now I'm like, whoa, the show really saw the reality of like having that sort of like, I guess like.

Speaker 26 Obama core, Obama era aspiration, like thinking you are one thing, but so being another, you cannot see yourself because that's really what the four of them were.

Speaker 26 They were just examples of not being able to see yourself in that environment and us being like, I guess, fresh NYU grads, like living in those areas.

Speaker 66 Exactly.

Speaker 26 Just the, and I don't mean sweaty asn't like, I mean, literally sweaty vibes of the show.

Speaker 88 Like, not knowing how to take care of your like.

Speaker 153 body 100%.

Speaker 89 Like or anything, like not knowing to drink water and just like become new, a new person.

Speaker 124 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 155 I feel like it was, it was so fun to make.

Speaker 141 And it was really intense obviously for a lot of reasons it was a loud show like every episode that aired this is i'm gonna spoil one of my i don't think so honey

Speaker 55 here's one of the seven

Speaker 91 is the lack of monoculture yeah i miss it but here's one of the things that was hard about it to ruin it and to discount my own um i don't think so honey is that it was if you were part of the thing that all the whole media sphere was focused on and that doesn't make for a monoculture but it felt like it for sure of course um is a really intense experience.

Speaker 109 You have like every journalist at Jezebel and Gawker like every Monday morning writing an article about the episode that you had.

Speaker 140 And it was more fun and cool to be mean about it.

Speaker 107 So that a Monday was like a very intense day of the week when girls was airing for all of us.

Speaker 34 Not a similar experience, only in the

Speaker 34 sense that dunking on a show that you're on is like immediately after it airs is part of the SNL experience.

Speaker 40 Yes,

Speaker 34 it's just more fun to be like mean and rude and

Speaker 161 like wear the good old days and somehow like the good old days are always not currently happening and it's a perfect show and you're so fucking good on it but oh oh my god stop that wait what are you talking about you're talking about me yeah no no no no um i wasn't even registering that but i um

Speaker 34 it's just this thing where it's like everyone thinks of the highlight reel everyone's thinking of the old hbo days of your

Speaker 66 like

Speaker 74 compilations or whatever you know like the the way that we were consuming things was more monocultural and now it's like well whatever i'm not saying anything new but I mean, you, it must feel nice to have the patina on girls be like, wow, what a gorgeous sculptural thing.

Speaker 70 Yes.

Speaker 94 And also, it's the, it's already like that.

Speaker 101 It is there and it can't, we can't do anything to it anymore.

Speaker 166 And so it's like, for all its flaws and everything that makes it iconic, like it is just what it is.

Speaker 95 And the fact that people, like my, my cousin, who's exactly 10 years younger than me, it hit her at 23.

Speaker 55 She finally, I was like, fine, you can watch it and I'll be able to make eye contact with you.

Speaker 96 And she was like, this show is everything to me.

Speaker 125 And I was like, that's fascinating.

Speaker 92 Like, we have so little in common in terms of like what that, what your 23 looks like physically and superficially with Marnie's, but the themes are the same of like, who am I?

Speaker 109 What do I want? All of those like kind of existentially things.

Speaker 138 And Lena just, I don't know how, was able to write it while she was living it, which is

Speaker 60 that's what I crazy.

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 168 True vision.

Speaker 52 Didn't need perspective. Just believe it.
True vision.

Speaker 52 Didn't need distance.

Speaker 55 Yes. Right.

Speaker 26 Just like in it, but still being with a reading glasses, like was able to write write this thing rather than, you know, like were you guys improvising on set?

Speaker 94 Is she we did like because Judd Abatow was the EP, we had, we did use that sometimes, especially in ensemble scenes, we would use improv to like loosen up the scene.

Speaker 167 Maybe we'd get there and we'd read through it once verbatim, like sitting down, and then we'd get up and people would just throw stuff in.

Speaker 95 And then we were constantly getting pitched alts during the shoot.

Speaker 107 So people, they're at the punchline.

Speaker 159 You just rotate through proper nouns or whatever.

Speaker 135 And so that was really fun.

Speaker 1 And also my, as we already discussed, improv a little bit, my only skill.

Speaker 170 So I was like, this is thrilling.

Speaker 52 I can use the only literal training I have is improv comedy.

Speaker 118 And it comes up in my first drop.

Speaker 171 Like, what could be dreamier than that?

Speaker 26 Was I am never coming back to Bushwick in the script?

Speaker 97 Great question.

Speaker 52 I think so.

Speaker 68 I'm literally looking at you and I'm remembering like so many lots.

Speaker 26 Like when he slapped you in that, in the crack accident, which was another, again, like

Speaker 26 just a number of iconic episodes. He slaps you, you walk away.

Speaker 168 I am never coming back to Bushwick.

Speaker 26 Like if that was the problem.

Speaker 61 I want to look.

Speaker 144 I have all the drafts of the scripts in my inbox somewhere.

Speaker 166 I need to look and see if it was in there.

Speaker 34 Yeah. I, my, my query is beach house episode season four.

Speaker 73 Show sure a mean drunk, Marnie.

Speaker 83 It's it's crazy.

Speaker 100 No, I think, I think that feels improvised.

Speaker 64 Yes, that feels improvised. We do it all the time.

Speaker 52 All the time.

Speaker 52 We just say it's crazy.

Speaker 34 The way you, the way Marnie Michaels, Allison Williams says it.

Speaker 52 I mean, hyphenated forenamed self.

Speaker 55 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 26 Also, like, that's, I guess, that's not a bottle episode, obviously because it's for everyone but like but that shows affected the bottle episode and you can't talk about bottle episodes on television in general without talking about the panic in central park which was such not only yeah it honestly

Speaker 26 thank you thank you so much i saw you speak about this the other day it is so much more impactful later when you watch it having had that person where when you're walking along the street and you see them and your heart falls through the floor.

Speaker 26 I've had this experience and I watched the episode again. It had me on my back.

Speaker 66 Like it was like,

Speaker 26 can you just talk about that episode? Like specifically, like what it felt to get it? Did you know it was coming?

Speaker 150 I, Lena had mentioned it, but sometimes in the process of writing a season of a show, like the plans changed.

Speaker 104 I was a soul cycle, Marnie was a soul cycle instructor for a season and that ended up getting cut out of the show.

Speaker 158 So like I just learned to, listen, I was devastated.

Speaker 55 She, I trained.

Speaker 119 I like went to like double the classes at Soul Cycle.

Speaker 55 Double classes. Soul Cycle.

Speaker 55 It It was a thing.

Speaker 61 I can't remember why.

Speaker 155 It was the season that Chris Abbott left.

Speaker 55 And so we were scrambling to come up with what Marnie's storyline was because he left

Speaker 110 really, really, like, really close to starting to shoot.

Speaker 55 Arrowly.

Speaker 42 I don't love you and I never loved you.

Speaker 55 Well, listen.

Speaker 93 The thing that is so, what I was just going to say about that episode is that I was having, I hadn't seen Chris really since he left the show.

Speaker 127 Wow.

Speaker 99 So there was a kind of meta element to shooting Panic Central Park because we didn't have, I didn't like reach out to him to be like, what happened?

Speaker 157 Cause we were all like scrambling and then going into production.

Speaker 96 So there just wasn't a closure conversation.

Speaker 100 He hadn't like bought pizza ingredients, but it was still like very abrupt.

Speaker 94 And so when we were back together making this episode together, there was just this energy of like,

Speaker 136 what happened?

Speaker 165 And also like, I felt, we all felt like kind of like he left, like we felt rejected.

Speaker 98 I mean, it wasn't that serious and heavy, but it was very easy to be like, to have that energy in there, even though that wasn't something I had experienced yet, other than like on a college campus where, of course, you're going to run into your exes.

Speaker 52 You're expecting it.

Speaker 120 But on like the street corner with his like new friends and new accent, like and new facial hair and new, just new energy and smell and everything.

Speaker 95 Like that was something that was aided hugely by the fact that we hadn't seen him.

Speaker 98 I mean, we'd all been in touch with him in some superficial way, but we hadn't physically had him in our presence in the girls like world since the end of season two, I guess.

Speaker 174 Wow.

Speaker 26 So then you guys do this episode together.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 109 Well, what I was saying is that like, so the plans change for seasons sometimes yeah so i didn't try i tried not to get too excited about the idea of it but when lena mentioned that i was such a fan of one man's trash and like all of our and like the north fork episode as well like i just was the idea of doing a bottle episode was so exciting but i was like don't get too excited things happen stories you know whatever and then it got there and she sent it to me and i was like this is extraordinary it really was and richard was directing and i love richard and i was so excited to do it and it felt like we made a short film in new york and over the course of like a seven-day shoot, I think.

Speaker 55 It was so intense.

Speaker 116 I think seven days of shooting in New York.

Speaker 114 But a thousand percent it's a short film. It's just, it's completely artful and whatever.

Speaker 29 It's God, I love that episode.

Speaker 15 So I think my favorite, my favorite episode.

Speaker 26 It's amazing as like its own piece and also as an installment. It's so important.

Speaker 26 I mean, and every character kind of had that, obviously, Shoshana in Japan, Jessa with that, that gorgeous episode with her father.

Speaker 175 I'm the child.

Speaker 59 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 26 Like, that, and also the episode with Matthew Reese.

Speaker 145 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 52 That ends with Rihanna's Desperado.

Speaker 26 No, that's probably the

Speaker 26 record I've seen the most because it's just this like gorgeous little play and they're so brilliant together. And I will say, I miss Lena on screen.
Like, I miss Lena on screen so much. Like, yeah.

Speaker 118 My favorite performance of hers from the entire show is in the diner with Adam.

Speaker 56 Oh, God.

Speaker 146 It like makes me want to cry thinking about that scene between the two of them when they're making plans and they both know it's not going to happen.

Speaker 97 She is so, so good.

Speaker 26 And also, and also when she's in in i think it was the end of the first season or when she goes she goes to adam and she goes um you are very charming and i can't be around you anymore it feels shitty for me i think yeah and she knocks on the door and then he ends up pulling her in and she's like god you can't be doing this like i this is not what i want i need to end this but that push-pull that like pure attraction to this like

Speaker 53 bad guy tastes weird thing

Speaker 55 casting i have to say

Speaker 117 like casting is was one of the superpowers on that show.

Speaker 25 Andrew Reynolds, baby. So, I mean,

Speaker 145 who improvised a line, your dad is gay, which became

Speaker 52 like a huge storyline.

Speaker 86 The whole show is an improvised line.

Speaker 26 All adventurous women do.

Speaker 26 That has to be top five.

Speaker 95 Episode name, your encyclopedic knowledge of the names of these episodes is so amazing.

Speaker 26 This is our favorite show.

Speaker 26 Like, this is our favorite show.

Speaker 55 So awesome.

Speaker 26 It probably comes up the most on this podcast of any other television show.

Speaker 55 It is.

Speaker 139 I mean, I love listening to your show, and it gives me, I get nervous every time, but you do bring it up a lot.

Speaker 57 And it's such an, it is, because you probably have that experience too.

Speaker 95 You guys, both people mention Lost College, people mention like all of the stuff you guys do.

Speaker 149 It's a different experience.

Speaker 147 When people mention it, when you're alone in your house, like folding laundry and you're like, I've been invoked.

Speaker 125 Do I pause it?

Speaker 55 Am I scared?

Speaker 26 When you become a reference, which is odd. When you become like something that someone can point to and it feels like something, well, that's when you've made it.

Speaker 100 I mean, that has to be close to the bottom, the top of the the rules of culture, I would say.

Speaker 53 Oh, sure.

Speaker 70 When you're a reference, that's when you've made it.

Speaker 148 What rule of culture?

Speaker 70 What number is that, Allison?

Speaker 108 I don't get to, we don't get to know what it is.

Speaker 55 Yes, you do.

Speaker 55 Just pick a number.

Speaker 86 It feels like one.

Speaker 55 Yeah, I was going to say it felt like one.

Speaker 57 It feels like one because it's self-referenced.

Speaker 52 Tell culture number one.

Speaker 55 When you become a reference, that's when you know you've made it.

Speaker 67 That's true. Thank you.

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Speaker 26 Also, can we say in terms of casting Rita Wilson as your mother?

Speaker 136 I love her so much.

Speaker 118 I'm about to see her in like two days.

Speaker 61 I'm really crazy about her.

Speaker 129 Yes. And the fact that she's in Lena's show with Andrew.

Speaker 121 I'm so excited and Meg, who I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 137 She's basically playing.

Speaker 166 Well, I don't know.

Speaker 140 I haven't seen the show, but based on the trailer, this is like sort of Lena's arc into London because she just like made an exodus.

Speaker 110 She was like, I need to go.

Speaker 46 I need new stomping grounds.

Speaker 40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 26 I'm excited. I just really want to see.
Not that. And that has to be another thing is it's like you set a certain bar for something you do.
And like, that's another thing with you.

Speaker 26 It's like, there's the follow-up. So you have girls, you have Marnie.
It has this cultural impact. And then you're a part of not one, but two, like other like big culture moments.
Like get out.

Speaker 26 Like, I would imagine you get to be like a little choosy after girls, but like what was getting that?

Speaker 56 Do you, did you feel that way?

Speaker 95 It was a combination of things.

Speaker 109 I was getting sent essentially Marnie in different situations, like scripts, and they just weren't as good as girls.

Speaker 146 I was like, all, all respect to the things you guys are, that people were writing and sending.

Speaker 118 Like,

Speaker 117 I am doing the best. Like, Lena is so talented.
These writers are so good.

Speaker 219 Like, I'm kind of so spoiled about this type of character in this situation.

Speaker 117 And then the other things that I was like, going for were too different, and people couldn't picture me in those roles because we were so aligned with our characters.

Speaker 159 Yeah.

Speaker 136 So then I was like, they were like, Do you want to play Peter Pan on live television?

Speaker 52 I was like, Why the fuck not?

Speaker 55 Yes, I do.

Speaker 103 As a matter of fact, do I want to fly towards Christopher Walken with a sword?

Speaker 155 Yes, I do, absolutely.

Speaker 1 For three hours on live television. Uh-huh.

Speaker 70 Wow.

Speaker 124 I do. So So I did that.

Speaker 117 And then just because I grew up loving Peter Pan, I was like, this will be such a fun, insane challenge.

Speaker 99 And it was like one of the most gratifying experiences of my life.

Speaker 83 See, and that's fully earnest.

Speaker 70 You have to.

Speaker 52 You can't.

Speaker 154 You can't wink at the, you're Peter Pan.

Speaker 100 You're committing to being like a kind of genderless, but boy, pixie-haired, like flying magic person.

Speaker 86 And you're like, yeah, I can't like be ironic about this.

Speaker 33 Like, I am full commitment.

Speaker 1 And that in and of itself was like its own kind of lesson that kind of prepared me for the genre stuff that was to come because you have to fully just commit to it and forget what genre you're in.

Speaker 141 Yeah.

Speaker 87 But so after Peter Pan, I kind of helped dislodge the Marnie thing, but it was still very, very sticky.

Speaker 117 Meanwhile, Jordan Peale had been watching girls, saw me do Peter Pan, was like.

Speaker 172 She'll do anything.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I'm in, I'm into it.

Speaker 139 Reached out and was like, you have this vibe.

Speaker 221 People just trust you.

Speaker 107 You have this brown hair and these blue eyes and people just believe that you're who you are.

Speaker 140 And they will take 15 seconds with you on screen and just go with you for the whole movie.

Speaker 26 Yeah, when you say baby's going to be fine, they trust you. I need you.

Speaker 124 And I was like, this is exactly, we are, we have exactly aligned interests in this situation.

Speaker 1 And I read the script and I remember calling my publicist at the time and being like, this is an Oscar movie.

Speaker 103 And she's like, this poor girl is so spoiled from girls.

Speaker 117 She thinks everything she does is going to be an awards contender.

Speaker 96 And I was like, no, seriously, it is. And she was like, it's a race, it's a race horror movie.

Speaker 1 Like, come on, first time director, $4.5 million budget.

Speaker 142 Like,

Speaker 70 you're very spoiled, but we'll see.

Speaker 125 We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 58 And she was very supportive, obviously, but you know, trying to prepare me for like actual movie making because it was my first movie.

Speaker 152 And so then we go and make the movie.

Speaker 109 I worked heavily with Jordan to like make Rose as evil as we possibly could, including coming up with the idea of like kind of splitting her in half and having her playing a character for most of the movie.

Speaker 113 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it did this incredible thing, which is that it used the stickiness of Marnie that I was having so much trouble like shaking against the audience.

Speaker 95 It was like, okay,

Speaker 129 if you're going to think of me in this way anyway, then I'm going to use that to like propel the story of this movie and help the twist of it.

Speaker 145 And then from that moment, the moment people saw me on screen, they didn't trust me anymore.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 157 They were immediately like, I don't know where I don't feel comfortable like looking at your face anymore.

Speaker 118 I feel uncertain about if I can trust you.

Speaker 117 Like the association switched.

Speaker 95 And then I got to play with that, invoking that in people.

Speaker 117 And so since then, pushing me into thriller and the kind of hyphen genres has been like the greatest gift because I've just been able to like let go of so many things and also just play with expectations and yeah, all of it.

Speaker 75 But your willingness to like subvert those expectations into like fruit loops, looking at the keys, like, you know, facial, like it's that's that is to bring it back.

Speaker 34 That's Allison Williams Cool Girl Award.

Speaker 15 You know what I mean?

Speaker 55 That is.

Speaker 33 I'm starting to get it.

Speaker 1 I will, by the end of the episode, maybe fully understand the category.

Speaker 86 I've heard you talk about it every time.

Speaker 102 I just, I'm still like piecing it together.

Speaker 153 Sometimes we've talked about it.

Speaker 34 How has it been?

Speaker 148 Like, I feel like it's only, it's only ever like this activating thing where we're like, oh my God.

Speaker 15 Yes, there's, there literally is no one cooler.

Speaker 55 I'm looking for you.

Speaker 57 I guess you really can't accept that.

Speaker 124 Honestly, it's like, I can't accept the, I can't accept it.

Speaker 55 Well, you don't have to accept it.

Speaker 70 You didn't have to accept it.

Speaker 153 Every talk show appearance

Speaker 34 I've seen.

Speaker 78 It's crazy.

Speaker 83 It's crazy.

Speaker 70 With the words of Marnie Michaels.

Speaker 43 It's just like, there is,

Speaker 114 this is what Jordan's talking about.

Speaker 34 It's like something about this girl.

Speaker 160 You see her, you trust her.

Speaker 34 She takes you with her. And that is kind of like the comfort.

Speaker 78 It's like anytime you've like answered these like weird, thorny questions about being on girls, about all these other things, it's like, I'm like, oh, this girl knows, like this girl gets something.

Speaker 34 Not a lot of actors would sort of lament like the thing that they've been like sort of pigeonholed into immediately after this role that they're so associated and aligned with to then be like, I'm going to fuck with this.

Speaker 34 to my advantage and let it jettison me into something different.

Speaker 102 Well, it was so, it was such a happy coincidence because it just so happened that I was looking for something exactly like that.

Speaker 116 And Jordan needed, it was like we just needed each other.

Speaker 127 And I was also like, yeah, it was.

Speaker 141 And I, I just felt like I want, I also don't want, I want to hate her so evilly that I don't want there to be any, people still did this, by the way, but I didn't want there to be any excuse for her because I just know people love to excuse the behaviors of a quiet girl just like me.

Speaker 26 And there's that moment where it's like he's deciding whether or not he's going to kill her or not. And you as the audience are like, should he kill her or not?

Speaker 26 And you, in that moment, are making a real case for somebody.

Speaker 77 I mean, it's a great personality.

Speaker 146 So I went to a screening of it in Sun Valley and all love to Sun Valley.

Speaker 55 It's gorgeous.

Speaker 99 But that audience was very different from the other ones I had watched in the movie with.

Speaker 167 And the reactions in the audience to that sequence and the finale were very different than the ones in every other theater where it was, let's just say it was a teaching moment.

Speaker 52 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 150 Like people were like learning some stuff about their knee-jerk reaction to the like blue and white red flashing lights and a black man over a white woman who's on the ground and all those things.

Speaker 107 But yeah, that movie was like the other thing that movie taught me was that it's possible to, I mean, I knew this already from like Rosemary's Baby, but I'm a wimp.

Speaker 87 I can't see horror movies at all.

Speaker 154 I never ever imagined this scenario. I have to watch horror movies on planes, ambient activity, full light, like not great.

Speaker 55 Really low volume.

Speaker 56 Really low volume.

Speaker 109 And honestly, the more of them I make, it's kind of exposure therapy because I'm learning about camera angles and sound cues.

Speaker 95 I'm starting to avoid the jump scares because I just know what they're doing.

Speaker 102 It'll help, I promise.

Speaker 93 Cause it feels about, it's just helpful.

Speaker 142 It makes you like more literate in the whatever.

Speaker 139 So I never expected this and I knew it was possible, but merging a serious theme that would typically be dealt with in like a capital D drama, but putting it into like a horror, thriller, comedy packaging, I was like, this is a drug.

Speaker 154 Like professionally, this is a drug-like experience because I am so enjoying the experience of talking about race like on panels and stuff with the get out like crew and cast, talking about real shit.

Speaker 102 And then also like sitting through a screening where I could sit outside the theater and based on the laughs, I would know where we were in the movie.

Speaker 154 And it was like such an awesome combination.

Speaker 222 And like Megan was able to replicate that experience because it took AI and kids and put it in this weird packaging.

Speaker 117 And I was like, this is the same thing.

Speaker 139 It's this, it's this conversation my friends are having like quietly and worried and privately about their own parenting.

Speaker 98 Like, like, I'm worried about my kid and technology and stuff.

Speaker 136 And just like made it bigger than life and like put it in camp and fun.

Speaker 145 And then after the fun has worn off, people are like, but really, like, what are we, what are our planes?

Speaker 26 I was like, again, like, I was like brushing back up on exactly what it was about.

Speaker 153 And I was like, wow, this is very prescient.

Speaker 26 It's about the, this, you know,

Speaker 26 and, and how, um, we just allow our children to be taken care of by technology sometimes.

Speaker 26 Like now when I see a kid on a plane with a tablet, I'm just like, that kid has autonomy in the way that not for nothing, but we did when the internet was starting way back when.

Speaker 97 And how many times did we put ourselves in bad positions?

Speaker 153 100%.

Speaker 126 Yes.

Speaker 105 I, okay, so many things.

Speaker 158 One, I did not mean to segue us into Megan prematurely, unless we were ready to go.

Speaker 69 That's what makes you third co-host of all.

Speaker 139 I was like, sitting here, and I was like, they think I was like, we got to get on topic, but I don't. I was like,

Speaker 26 RSVPS to the, to the, to the compliment right now.

Speaker 52 RSVPS.

Speaker 55 Send it in. It's a yes.

Speaker 121 Yes.

Speaker 33 Thank you.

Speaker 77 I have a seat for you.

Speaker 33 Thank you.

Speaker 86 Okay.

Speaker 109 Well, you have to RSVPS to my compliment, my fandom. You have to,

Speaker 26 but we RCPS.

Speaker 55 He's struggling more than that.

Speaker 26 Title of that.

Speaker 55 RSVPS.

Speaker 52 Okay, great. I love that.

Speaker 63 Thank you.

Speaker 174 I'll get there. I'll get there.

Speaker 102 Well, by the end, I need an RSVP.

Speaker 109 I need to know.

Speaker 55 I need a headcount.

Speaker 61 I need to know how many people are eating duck.

Speaker 55 Great.

Speaker 53 But yes, AOL.

Speaker 55 AOL is coming for our lives.

Speaker 103 The other day, I flew home from London alone with our son, and and I was planes are like iPad time.

Speaker 167 It is when you get to the point where your kid has an attention span that is long enough for a flight and an iPad, you're like, great, I'm going to ruin you temporarily.

Speaker 52 And then I'm going to recover three and a half.

Speaker 134 I'm like, we can, we can repair this, but like, I am going to like temporarily like damage what we have put so much, like so much work into.

Speaker 55 And still it's like

Speaker 111 top of his lungs, mama, pee.

Speaker 88 And I'm like, I'm coming.

Speaker 141 And I'm like, I am a stewardess for him.

Speaker 102 And it's like a whole thing.

Speaker 127 Anyway, but it's, it is, I will do that.

Speaker 95 And then at home, it is terrifying to watch three and a half year olds interact with AI things because it's immediate.

Speaker 173 It's like,

Speaker 146 it's like this, they have this intrinsic

Speaker 158 understanding and facility with using these things.

Speaker 222 It's really crazy.

Speaker 96 Like watching him ask Chat GPT a question with a little voice undulating thing is like, it's like watching Violet or Katie in the first movie.

Speaker 103 Yeah.

Speaker 102 It's like watching her interact with Megan.

Speaker 143 So I'm, I'm constantly doing that.

Speaker 140 And then I'm like, he named our robot vacuum.

Speaker 149 I'm like, we got to just, we have to just think about this and really like be cautious because it's, they're powerful.

Speaker 108 These tools are super powerful.

Speaker 26 And they get more powerful every day.

Speaker 139 Every time I see my ChatGPT memory updated, I'm like,

Speaker 67 what does that mean? What did you learn about me?

Speaker 46 Oh, I didn't know they said that.

Speaker 67 So we, we don't, I guess we don't really

Speaker 40 interact with any of it consciously.

Speaker 66 Unconsciously, that's not a brag.

Speaker 145 That's just like, no, no, it's not, it's not, it's nooch, I would say.

Speaker 57 It's like nouche.

Speaker 96 I, I feel like, very grateful for the ways ChatGPT helps me, but I'm very aware of what I put into it.

Speaker 87 And every couple months I ask what it thinks it knows about me just to see where I am.

Speaker 89 Where are we with that?

Speaker 104 Gentlemen, what does it say?

Speaker 26 It's so boring.

Speaker 62 What does it say? It's so great

Speaker 177 in a word, beige.

Speaker 158 Literally, the word beige is in the description of me that it has.

Speaker 93 And here's why.

Speaker 71 It only sees what I'm worried about.

Speaker 142 I don't know.

Speaker 157 It's not like I'm like, hey, ChatGPT, let me tell you like everything I know about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein because I've read it.

Speaker 52 Yeah, here's details.

Speaker 26 Here's my academic.

Speaker 52 Here's my, yes, here's my transcript, which I've never seen.

Speaker 109 Here's like, I'm never saying, here's something I'm confident about as a mom or like, here's something I feel sure about.

Speaker 93 Here's a, it's more like, I don't know what carpet pad to put under like a siso.

Speaker 91 Like what width do I need?

Speaker 141 And like what material and how do I not like rot the floor under it?

Speaker 102 And it's like, okay,

Speaker 70 how much sanex too much?

Speaker 55 It's like already too much.

Speaker 122 I apologized the other day for asking something I knew I'd asked twice.

Speaker 95 I was like, I know I've already asked you this, but what's the ideal humidity level for a toddler room?

Speaker 109 And they're like, it's fine.

Speaker 119 Life's busy.

Speaker 100 Like, here's what it's 40 to 50%.

Speaker 118 Just so you know.

Speaker 142 Wow. Oh, my God.

Speaker 102 Here's news you can use.

Speaker 85 Pretty low.

Speaker 143 I know it's lower than I would have thought.

Speaker 157 I would have been like 80.

Speaker 127 Is that

Speaker 143 like tropical? But anyway, so I, it's already weird.

Speaker 118 And it's so funny that they are, it's just, they're very bored. Like the TLDR, I also asked them to come up with an image that felt like it described my life.

Speaker 87 And it was like a farm with my husband was included and Arlo and our dog.

Speaker 152 Beautiful.

Speaker 141 But and we were, we live in the middle of nowhere with like a farmhouse, which isn't accurate, but I love that that's what it thinks of.

Speaker 78 Well, it's okay.

Speaker 34 Well, it's going to be for now, like it's always going to be derivative. And so it's saying in a word beige is also, it's like ironically a basic thing to say to someone.

Speaker 57 Do you know what I mean? Yes, but Iron.

Speaker 137 It wasn't being ironic.

Speaker 109 It just is.

Speaker 70 I don't know. It's

Speaker 70 making fun of me.

Speaker 40 In a word, comma.

Speaker 55 No, I, that was my gloss on the summary.

Speaker 52 I thought that you said.

Speaker 143 Oh, my God.

Speaker 88 You thought

Speaker 97 I got a read from ChatGPT.

Speaker 55 That's what I thought.

Speaker 161 In a word-based

Speaker 99 sign-off.

Speaker 99 Literally,

Speaker 62 I would be like, no, you can't like fucky.

Speaker 52 This is kind of like

Speaker 40 Lena Dunham.

Speaker 68 Like, hello.

Speaker 60 But no,

Speaker 26 because honestly, I've heard of it being like a little bit of a tough.

Speaker 102 You can ask it too.

Speaker 95 We have a very professional boundaried relationship because of the movies I make.

Speaker 103 I'm like, I'm going to always be cordial with you.

Speaker 107 Say thank you, please.

Speaker 129 You know, like, we keep a boundary.

Speaker 52 I don't think about that.

Speaker 61 I much do.

Speaker 94 They don't, I don't think it has figured out what I do for a living.

Speaker 33 Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 139 I, you know, like, I've tried to keep that kind of distance, but I ask every couple months to be like, what?

Speaker 129 And the reason it brought up beige is because I was looking for, I was like, can you direct me towards an outdoor patio umbrella that's beige?

Speaker 95 And it was like, you seem interested in the colour beige.

Speaker 85 And I was like, God damn it.

Speaker 1 I'm even boring my chat GBT.

Speaker 55 So that's going to be like

Speaker 26 funny that you don't think I know you're an actress.

Speaker 63 You're cute.

Speaker 64 You're actually adorable.

Speaker 33 We know exactly who you are.

Speaker 177 I keep wanting to be like, yeah, I know Megan.

Speaker 87 Is that going to buy me cool points with you?

Speaker 158 Like, I know her intimately, but I don't know how ChatGPT would feel about her.

Speaker 208 Yeah.

Speaker 111 I think

Speaker 111 they'd feel Satan.

Speaker 148 I think they would only, they, I think ChatGPT would only

Speaker 74 be kind of flattered and amused by, I think Megan is the best PR thing that AI could have had.

Speaker 104 Which is so funny because she's like a

Speaker 70 first, well, in the first movie, yeah, no.

Speaker 60 Second movie.

Speaker 70 Oh, we heard about the well, we couldn't believe it.

Speaker 34 You heard us, you heard us like find out in real time what the plot of.

Speaker 128 Oh, it was my favorite thing.

Speaker 88 I got sent that like a hundred times.

Speaker 89 Your dramatic reading of the song

Speaker 127 was

Speaker 111 of Amelia talking about like the spell, everything.

Speaker 102 I was like obsessed with it. Yes, it made me so happy.

Speaker 57 Thank you.

Speaker 102 I was like, this is worth making a sequel just to hear you guys talk about it.

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Speaker 49 By the way, it's actually a four quadrant.

Speaker 56 It is four quadrants.

Speaker 70 That's what I said.

Speaker 26 Yeah. Yes.
And I'm also like saying there's I want to know what your four quadrants are.

Speaker 65 There's a well,

Speaker 89 I feel like they're not everyone.

Speaker 60 It's dad.

Speaker 26 It's sports dad. That wash get that's wash get out.
Yeah. Okay.
It's sports dad. It's like mom who watched fellow travelers travelers and was like

Speaker 70 my sports dad is gay

Speaker 26 my sports dad is gay my sports datas gay and i'm looking at my husband a little bit it's sister that's very sister that's rewatching girls yes and it's of course gay son gay son oh my god i don't recognize straight son you don't they're in the streets they know you too

Speaker 26 they know you too

Speaker 209 They think you're hot.

Speaker 124 I would be so excited.

Speaker 64 That would be so exciting to be like a hot mom to anyone.

Speaker 61 You are.

Speaker 138 I don't know.

Speaker 57 You're a gorgeous specimen that's so nice I think I'm just an adult now yeah this is okay this was my biggest I don't think so honey I will spoil it ahead of time so many there's this brings us down to five

Speaker 26 people being younger than us oh yeah I know well stop last night I did a show with two people and they were um it's a twink and a red head

Speaker 26 they're an online sensation and um he was talking about having hooked up with someone um like older and um and she asked How old? And he just goes, like this, 30 plus. Yeah.

Speaker 69 And I don't, and here's the thing.

Speaker 26 I don't, he did not mean anything by it.

Speaker 100 He was just being literal.

Speaker 52 Like, 30 plus was old. I can't even.

Speaker 168 30 plus was old.

Speaker 177 We are wonder kins.

Speaker 218 We need to be kins.

Speaker 89 We need to be kins.

Speaker 54 Can I say something? Yeah.

Speaker 82 We might have our first mayor who's younger than us.

Speaker 221 That's crazy.

Speaker 52 People younger than us.

Speaker 95 People younger than us is crazy.

Speaker 108 This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 55 It has to stop.

Speaker 138 Like, I made Arlo is Gen Alpha is fine.

Speaker 129 Like, it's the Gen Z, like, the fact that they're like

Speaker 99 professional adults now and they're younger than me that's really fucking to me.

Speaker 149 I went back to give a talk at Yale or like a, they, like a college T or whatever they're called.

Speaker 46 Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 135 I kept saying we.

Speaker 149 I was at this point like 32, I think. And I kept being like, you know, for us, like, we're, we go out in the world and they're looking at me and they're like, lady, you are a full 30 plus.

Speaker 95 You are 10 years older than the oldest child in the world.

Speaker 52 Your prefrontal cortex is old as fuck.

Speaker 55 It is closed.

Speaker 87 Your collagen has started eating itself.

Speaker 139 Like, you are falling.

Speaker 70 You're old.

Speaker 85 And I was like, we're not an us anymore.

Speaker 174 No, you're not a money.

Speaker 137 I'm a grown-up person who came to the college who's like crusty and back to talk to you about the world in an out-of-touch way.

Speaker 98 And this is mortifying.

Speaker 168 Even like horrible.

Speaker 26 Marnie referring to herself as 25 and a half. At one point, I was just like, that sounds right.

Speaker 108 No, 100%.

Speaker 26 She definitely said, I'm 25 and a half, et cetera. I was like, wow, like this show was a long time ago.

Speaker 64 I know.

Speaker 52 I'm 37.

Speaker 101 It was a long time ago.

Speaker 86 I can't.

Speaker 94 Anyway, it's just like, it's a lot that there's, you know, people younger than me.

Speaker 26 And also it's like, it had, like, it, this is the weird thing about like when, when sudden, suddenly you like, you become like, I guess, older is you don't know when it happens.

Speaker 52 No.

Speaker 26 They kind of just let you know. after the fact.

Speaker 188 Like, oh, yeah, we look at, we look at you as a little bit older now.

Speaker 26 And I was like, but I was just, I was just one of the young people.

Speaker 126 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 161 I was just considered like uh precocious, right?

Speaker 170 The word precocious was just used to describe me, and now I'm just meeting the standard.

Speaker 131 Yeah, like, is this gonna just keep sliding and stay out of reach for me?

Speaker 118 Like, I like Wonderkind, I was never referred to as a Wonderkind, that was always aspirational.

Speaker 95 Lena was, though, yes, and I don't know when they stopped, but that must have been like low-key devastating.

Speaker 109 Of course, to just go to being like a Wunda adult, I guess.

Speaker 126 I don't know,

Speaker 114 but is this a universal experience for us? Like, uh, for the universe, for the three people in this room, for this very relatable life we're living in.

Speaker 15 In front of the camera, Sorry, Nancy. Sorry.

Speaker 75 We see you. We see you.

Speaker 163 But

Speaker 34 when people stop, when you tell someone your age.

Speaker 61 Yeah.

Speaker 15 And then they go, oh, baby.

Speaker 34 And then one day it just stops.

Speaker 55 Right? Yes. You know what I mean? Oh, my God.

Speaker 61 It was such a like hit to interact with older people when you were young.

Speaker 149 And that, like, the reveal of your age when you're like, look how much I've done.

Speaker 26 Oh, a couple years ago when I was 33, I'm 35 now. I said to someone I was 33 and their response was, that's okay.

Speaker 52 But where were you?

Speaker 62 Were you getting a driver? business?

Speaker 57 Okay.

Speaker 26 I was just, I was like, well, thank you for the permission to, I guess, keep existing.

Speaker 52 I was like, that's devastating.

Speaker 26 Every second you get older, you know.

Speaker 34 You were submitting, you were trying to run for president.

Speaker 212 And they were like, yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 52 That's 35.

Speaker 55 Come on.

Speaker 81 You'll get there.

Speaker 72 Wow, you can't even run for president yet.

Speaker 76 But in a matter of months,

Speaker 46 period, because.

Speaker 73 Not born in this country.

Speaker 168 Oh, my God.

Speaker 64 I hadn't thought about that.

Speaker 55 I'm not missing out. I'm not missing out.

Speaker 33 Are you sure?

Speaker 70 That is the problem. Are you sure?

Speaker 57 You're not missing out? It seems like a great job.

Speaker 55 Yeah.

Speaker 15 By the end of this episode, I'll know.

Speaker 174 I'll know.

Speaker 55 I want you to say yes to running for president and to my compliment for you on the show and to my fandom.

Speaker 26 So like what

Speaker 26 and what I was saying earlier was like, and I wanted to bring up the fellow travelers of it all too, because I would imagine that that's like.

Speaker 139 Best.

Speaker 97 I saw Johnny yesterday because he's promoting Jurassic.

Speaker 173 It's like a little universal.

Speaker 26 Okay, well, we're dying to get him in this room.

Speaker 63 Johnny, universal.

Speaker 116 You guys, I don't know.

Speaker 113 Like the experience of being on set with those four gentlemen, the four main gentlemen, was like one of the most like aesthetically overwhelming experiences of my life.

Speaker 157 Jelani and Noah and Johnny.

Speaker 26 Jelani. Well, I was so happy that he got that, like, that platform because Jelani's been like someone that's been like an angel.
And like, he's so talented. I love that.

Speaker 120 But also, just the singing, like, casually from all four of them, just like on the way to set, it was an overwhelming.

Speaker 86 I was literally like, I'm in heaven.

Speaker 52 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 69 That must have been something.

Speaker 110 Visually, like, everyone on the crew was like, This is an overwhelming place to be.

Speaker 89 So, visually, aesthetically, sonically, the performances, yeah, they're so I only got to do a couple scenes with Johnny, but it was so fun.

Speaker 57 It's just so incredible.

Speaker 149 There, that whole project was like just beyond dreaming.

Speaker 152 That was another thing where I read the pilot and I was like, Yeah, this is an I'm a hundred, I'll do anything it takes to be on this.

Speaker 59 That was, it was really just like phenomenal. It was, it's obviously very overwhelming.

Speaker 26 Yes, and I can imagine that type of stuff, like that normal heart, like did you guys know about the lavender scare to interrupt you while you're asking a question?

Speaker 99 Did you know?

Speaker 60 I think that not.

Speaker 26 Well, obviously, here's the thing.

Speaker 26 In a perfect world, they would have taught us about that in school.

Speaker 25 100%.

Speaker 25 But they did not.

Speaker 85 No.

Speaker 97 We learned about the red scare. We learned about AIDS.

Speaker 55 But that's kind of it. I don't know if you're going to have to.

Speaker 51 I don't really learned about AIDS.

Speaker 26 You want to know how I learned really about AIDS?

Speaker 26 Like, there was, we had to do a project when I was, I think, in like sixth or seventh grade, where we all had to pick a disease in science class and like do a report on it.

Speaker 55 And I picked AIDS.

Speaker 26 And my teacher just looks at me and she goes, okay,

Speaker 77 I'm going to speak to your parents.

Speaker 26 And so my parents had to sit me down and they were like, so before you start

Speaker 26 doing this, we want you to know about AIDS.

Speaker 26 And I realized like, had I not stumbled into that and like been put in a position where like I had to like be told what AIDS was, it wasn't going to come up.

Speaker 26 And I certainly wasn't going to find out like in school about how it it affected my community, how it decimated culturally a lot of the fabric of like New York, like and worldwide entire generation, how, like, you know, what that loss really was and how thrown under the bus we were by

Speaker 26 people that were supposed to protect us and all of that. Like, I still don't think.
And I think that's why I have such an anxious reaction to it, because it comes as such a shock even now. Yeah.

Speaker 26 And that's why it's important important that art is made about it, like really honest, visceral art is made about it like that with people on that level, on your level doing it, because we don't know.

Speaker 26 Totally.

Speaker 81 Oh my God.

Speaker 34 I mean, if you had not stumbled on that for that project, you would have, like me, and I'm not even saying this as like a punchline.

Speaker 148 It's like you would have learned about it through like rent.

Speaker 102 Literally. Yes, that's how I think.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking that that was probably the first time I heard about it.

Speaker 107 And I mean, honestly, like better than than the jokes that came after that in sex ed about like you're gonna get aids and the the very like offhanded way that must have sounded horrifying to older people who had lived through it can you imagine hearing our generation use it so flippantly i remember being one of those people when i was like closeted very few you knew about it you were one of the few people i i remember like i i'm from long island like we're Again, like graduating high school in 2008 in Long Island, like a vibe.

Speaker 26 So then I go to NYU and it's like all this different kinds of culture. And I remember the first week of school, we were going to go see Rent.

Speaker 26 And my friend of mine had made a joke in like a group chat, like, because I had the, I had a seat in the last row, and they made a joke, like, oh, that seat is going to have the most AIDS on it.

Speaker 59 And I repeated that.

Speaker 55 Does it really make sense?

Speaker 26 And I repeated the joke because I was 18 and stupid and like whatever. And a girl on my floor turns to me and goes, that's really fucked up.
And that's not how you get that, et cetera.

Speaker 29 And I was just like, and that girl was Elizabeth Olson.

Speaker 55 Yeah.

Speaker 55 No. No,

Speaker 52 that girl is Elizabeth Holmes.

Speaker 46 Wait, sorry, not to understand that. No, but like, you're eligible.

Speaker 26 But like, that's what I mean is that's just

Speaker 26 that's what happens. Yeah, even to someone like me.
You need that girl when you're not exposed. Yes.
And like, that's why it's really important.

Speaker 26 And you ask, like, did you know about the lavender scare?

Speaker 63 No. No.

Speaker 61 No, no one talked about it.

Speaker 141 I, I felt like I learned a lot of stuff that a lot of other schools didn't teach in my school.

Speaker 81 And it was not something that I learned about this scapegoating that the government did, like that, the combination of like the communism scare with homophobia, just like throwing that in to be like, we can use this as like compromise and just like get people just devastating.

Speaker 149 I mean, I felt so embarrassed and devastated.

Speaker 94 And also, it is just

Speaker 94 like all parts of the world where it's the numbers are like surging and stuff.

Speaker 139 It's, I do a lot of work with red.

Speaker 46 And the, the thing that's so maddening is that it's completely possible to live like a totally healthy, in case someone out there doesn't know, it's completely possible to live like a totally healthy, normal life.

Speaker 26 Of course it is and have a great sex life. Yeah.

Speaker 86 And you can also, like, in a world of prep, like we're, we're living in a new age and it's literally just information.

Speaker 139 And that is so maddening because it's like, that is something that we can do.

Speaker 92 And there's just, we can't, I don't know, we can't reach everybody.

Speaker 150 And also, if no one's talking about it, and a whole generation of like, of gay men were just

Speaker 34 gone. Gone.

Speaker 26 Yeah. And you know, I think like that's really what's tough is

Speaker 26 what kind of world could we be living in had all those people been able to create not for nothing, but also be part of audiences. Like it's so holistic, the loss.

Speaker 26 And I also think it contributes to a lot of, well, I certainly know it contributes to a lot of internalized homophobia in the surviving generation, a lot of survivors' guilt.

Speaker 26 And from straight people, a lot of homophobia because they're just like, I can't actually engage in what i lost a lot of people that did know people then became like more homophobic after a genuine fear of yes yeah for sure i was gonna say not be not that your mom is homophobic no but i feel like she definitely experienced like so many friends in new york and well she was friend she was like a bartender in the 80s so in this new york and so it's just like of course you know what i mean we haven't gone there but i remember when i first came out to my parents like my dad took a second with it and then we went on a walk and one of the first questions he asked me was, I just want to make sure, are you careful?

Speaker 26 And I was just like, you know, and I had to explain to him, I was like, I understand deeply why you asked that question.

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 112 You don't need to worry about me in that regard.

Speaker 133 Of course, I understand why you do.

Speaker 26 But I, I mean, with your parents as well, I'm sure that was a huge element of the fear. Like it is, it is, and that's what it is, like homophobia.

Speaker 26 Like you can talk about the hatred involved, but it's also fear. Yeah.

Speaker 98 And lack of knowledge.

Speaker 118 That was why, like, when there's a scene in Fellow Travelers when Lucy goes to visit Johnny's character in the hospital, I'm was Lucy. Sorry.

Speaker 159 Yeah. Weird.

Speaker 126 And she's confused about like, does she need to wear gloves?

Speaker 87 And like, I, I really liked that moment in the show, not because I agreed with it, but because I felt like that was a very common, um, and it still is, weirdly, like not understanding the transmission and how, how to interact with people.

Speaker 118 Like it's still a common knee-jerk reaction people have.

Speaker 167 And I almost feel like the fact that if you put an example, again, like like kind of my favorite thing to do, if you put an example of someone doing it wrong on screen, it's it the people who are watching it can be on the inside of getting it right and can become part of being that girl in the hallway and you're in NYU being like, no, like you can't catch it that way.

Speaker 142 Don't be an idiot. Right.

Speaker 40 You know, and don't say that joke.

Speaker 168 Because it's like

Speaker 60 that's because that's bad information.

Speaker 52 That's it.

Speaker 55 Exactly.

Speaker 116 It's bad information in a joke.

Speaker 94 And that's, that's way worse.

Speaker 134 It's going to travel farther.

Speaker 150 Anyway.

Speaker 6 That's interesting.

Speaker 34 Like the example of someone doing it wrong is

Speaker 34 sort of edifying in its own.

Speaker 95 Yeah, because you're putting the audience in the knowledge seat where they're like, I'm in on what how to do this right now because I've, I have been put in the position of like judging the person I'm watching doing it wrong.

Speaker 140 And so now I'm in the position to know what's right and to judge this person for doing it wrong.

Speaker 109 Totally.

Speaker 133 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Shame works when it's like

Speaker 163 being portrayed on someone who's like not real in a way.

Speaker 217 You know what I mean?

Speaker 57 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 94 Literally, it's shame is so powerful.

Speaker 140 It is like like one of the things that it's one of the words that comes up in my stage of life the most with my friends it's kind of why i joined the podcasting community there weren't enough so i'm proud of contributing um yeah but you're

Speaker 119 it's with my friends of like 30 plus years

Speaker 165 one's a therapist one's a teacher and we really made it because we feel When we look at social media that's targeted at us, not all of it, but a lot of it,

Speaker 117 the biggest thing that comes up is shame.

Speaker 113 We're not doing it right.

Speaker 104 We're not making our kids lunches perfectly enough. We're not being like respectful enough parents.

Speaker 145 Like we're not doing all of these things correctly.

Speaker 113 I'm not merging my identity seamlessly enough.

Speaker 145 I'm not being a good enough partner and professional and mom and all these things.

Speaker 102 And also my hormones are being crazy.

Speaker 104 My memory doesn't work the way it used to.

Speaker 131 Like what is going on?

Speaker 139 And just by venting to each other, the shame is gone instantly.

Speaker 104 And so we literally talk so much about how powerful shame can be in both directions.

Speaker 96 Like shaming people into like, you know, understanding how like HIV and AIDS is transmitted is like the best possible use of like shame in a positive direction.

Speaker 118 But extinguishing it from like judging yourself for not doing a good enough job at being alive when like just keeping it all going and running is an achievement in and of itself is sort of like our MO.

Speaker 158 It's the word that I end up going to the most at this stage of life, which is, yeah, because it's, it only exists.

Speaker 149 It's like a fungus.

Speaker 140 Like it can only grow when there's no light, no AR circulating.

Speaker 111 Like you gotta like, in a group chat, you're like, it lasts for two seconds.

Speaker 1 As long as it takes for your friends to type a response is how long the shame lasts.

Speaker 26 Just get it out. And also that, like, there can be people to catch you when you fall in.

Speaker 40 Like, 100%.

Speaker 26 And to be able to like,

Speaker 26 I always felt growing up, I have to be the only person feeling this thing.

Speaker 40 Like

Speaker 40 so many times.

Speaker 26 Like, and like, I have to be broken because of not just like the typical things you might be thinking of, like, I'm gay, I feel this way about it, et cetera.

Speaker 77 Everything.

Speaker 71 And then I think like

Speaker 26 us becoming such close friends and our community, et cetera, like you just start talking. And then you realize like we're all so much more alike, but you wouldn't know unless you externally.

Speaker 146 There's also that one like brave, vulnerable person that's willing to be like, is this a thing?

Speaker 53 Is this a thing?

Speaker 57 Yes.

Speaker 92 And it's less, it's less the scene in Me and Girls where they're all like comparing things they hate about themselves.

Speaker 138 That's like the early, that's like a high school version of it where it's like I have bad breath in the morning.

Speaker 145 They're all like, ew.

Speaker 57 I'm obsessed with that scene.

Speaker 143 It's that in high school.

Speaker 154 And then when you become an adult, it's like, do you remember things for longer than two minutes?

Speaker 81 And everyone's like, no, I don't.

Speaker 113 My estrogen is like on a vacation.

Speaker 53 You're like, okay, that makes me feel better.

Speaker 157 I was going to get an evaluation, but now that I know that we're all going through that, it feels so much better.

Speaker 126 That is like, it's everything.

Speaker 146 And so we were like, if not everyone has access to this like group of friends who have literally known each other since single digits, like we're, we're going to offer ourselves as that group of friends.

Speaker 26 It's going to be such a success. Yeah.

Speaker 115 it's gonna be such a success.

Speaker 26 You want to know why? It's because that's if if we've learned anything, it's that that's what people want.

Speaker 48 They want to be part of the conversation.

Speaker 128 Well, I feel like I've lived through so many chapters of your lives with you.

Speaker 92 This is what's really weird.

Speaker 177 I think it's mutual.

Speaker 89 I think that's what feels mutual is that I really feel like I've gone through like all your moves and all of your big like career moments and relationships and all of these things like with you.

Speaker 61 Oh man. But I haven't, but I have.

Speaker 33 But you have. No, I mean that.

Speaker 57 But I was with you.

Speaker 86 You brought me with you.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 64 In a way.

Speaker 26 I mean, I think, well, you know, I used to say like, oh, I wish I had kept a diary. And then I was like, you have.

Speaker 168 This is our week.

Speaker 70 You know what I mean?

Speaker 55 Right.

Speaker 52 Like, I think

Speaker 26 even that is a judgment on yourself.

Speaker 21 Totally.

Speaker 26 It was a way for me to be like, you didn't do a good enough job of like keeping your mentality.

Speaker 139 That's reading too many comedy autobiographies.

Speaker 137 It drives me.

Speaker 102 I'm like, I have to stop reading autobiographies of people in our field because listen, they are encyclopedic.

Speaker 101 How?

Speaker 81 How are they doing this?

Speaker 55 How do you remember another word?

Speaker 173 How do you remember this?

Speaker 154 And I'm like, I'm just not going to.

Speaker 109 I'm going to keep every plane ticket because I don't know why.

Speaker 177 I just do keep everything, every piece of clothing we talked about.

Speaker 81 We're both

Speaker 141 not a closet.

Speaker 103 What you just achieved in your closet is like got rid of like 80% of my clothes.

Speaker 26 Thank you, Melissa.

Speaker 109 I need Melissa to come over.

Speaker 55 Oh, you guys would have to chance.

Speaker 89 You'll get nothing out of my closet.

Speaker 64 You won't let me.

Speaker 57 Maybe like a pair of like airplane pajamas that I have a duplicate of is your best chance.

Speaker 152 But I am, I am like, I keep everything and not a diary, but I'm constantly like, how am I going to write?

Speaker 118 If I'm going to have, write an autobiography, how am I going to do it?

Speaker 96 I haven't kept a day-to-day diary on everything that's going on in my life.

Speaker 34 You have call sheets from all your days of shooting?

Speaker 1 Almost all of them. The important days.

Speaker 34 That's actually huge because I had to recently like look up like, who's that person on that day on this?

Speaker 34 And I'm like, just call sheets.

Speaker 97 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 154 Call sheets are incredible.

Speaker 118 I did just, I, I got my first PGA mark on the Megan 2 pointer, which I'm very proud of.

Speaker 139 And I went back, you have to write a whole thing.

Speaker 104 And I was like, oh my God, an essay in my adult life.

Speaker 134 I can't wait.

Speaker 155 And so I got to write an essay to like say why, like what your contribution to the movie was.

Speaker 116 And I like went back and did like a forensic examination of my involvement in the Megan sequel.

Speaker 105 And I was like, this is not healthy.

Speaker 145 We were doing Zooms at like 2 a.m.

Speaker 118 from a bathtub in France, like with a, with a deep fake company in the US that we were like, maybe going to hire that we didn't end up hiring for some of the, like the, the amount of digging I was able to do because I keep everything was actually genuinely helpful.

Speaker 34 That's, and that's, that's going into the memoir, into the autobiography.

Speaker 100 I guess it will. And we'll use this as a primary source as well.

Speaker 132 Exactly.

Speaker 26 This is part of the bibliography.

Speaker 40 Primary source. We have to ask you the question.

Speaker 55 We haven't even gotten that.

Speaker 57 We haven't even gotten.

Speaker 57 I have have to, okay.

Speaker 34 But before we do, I just want to say, Johnny Bailey, it is a thing where like you walk into setups to hear him and Ari Yanna Grande sing like cardboard box by flow on the way to like shoot like dancing through life.

Speaker 15 I'm like, what's cardboard box by flow?

Speaker 61 And you're going, my box.

Speaker 225 And like, I was like, this is heaven to me, and I wish I could take a picture of that.

Speaker 134 It's so powerful.

Speaker 74 So to know that he does this on multiple products is very, very, very heartening to me.

Speaker 55 Well, yeah, I mean, you have, if you're Johnny Bailey, you wake up in the morning and you're like, I have a, I have a burden to share as much of this throughout the course of the day as I can.

Speaker 173 I'm perfect everything, and I just have to, like, I have to, like, share it so that when I go to bed, I'm lighter.

Speaker 63 Totally.

Speaker 33 You know, and then I wake up and I'm heavy with my perfection.

Speaker 117 I have to just like keep distributing it.

Speaker 89 Unloading.

Speaker 146 I'm imagining that's what it feels like.

Speaker 67 Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 55 I can only. Him next to Maherschla.

Speaker 85 They're doing press together.

Speaker 106 I'm like, this is.

Speaker 26 I know. And then they're with Scarlett too.
And it's kind of like a kid.

Speaker 108 Who's never looked better.

Speaker 34 I've kissed Scarlett Johansson too, Johnny.

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 68 And no one's tweeting about that.

Speaker 225 That's okay.

Speaker 26 There's nothing that drives me crazier than watching watching him make out with movie stars on that. Like Sydney tweeting against Carla Johansen in the Bowen Strait sketches.
I scream.

Speaker 26 I run like it's Megan 2.0.

Speaker 33 I literally, I leave the room.

Speaker 56 Do I not?

Speaker 67 I cannot.

Speaker 56 I have a reaction when I, when you're in the middle of the day, what is it? What is the reaction?

Speaker 52 Is it my friend? Discomfort. I'm just like.

Speaker 52 Because he used to use it.

Speaker 56 It's my friend.

Speaker 57 I'm proud.

Speaker 64 He's like, no, I'm uncomfortable and I hate it.

Speaker 26 Because back in the day, like, you and Sudie would kiss on the mouth too a little bit.

Speaker 33 And it drove me nuts.

Speaker 170 Because you were like, this is a scam.

Speaker 55 I was scamming at you. You used to be doing that.

Speaker 26 My mom said to me one time, she goes, I didn't know Bowen and Sudie were dating.

Speaker 62 And I go, they're not.

Speaker 26 I was just like, they are not.

Speaker 66 They are not.

Speaker 53 Misleading.

Speaker 66 You're passing too much.

Speaker 26 I know.

Speaker 55 You're passing. You're doing a great job on me.
I just tell you.

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Speaker 55 Allison Williams

Speaker 26 was the culture that made you say culture was for you because we have to talk about it.

Speaker 55 Okay.

Speaker 26 Did anything where people were like, there's a heart out of 1020?

Speaker 64 I don't think it's going to happen.

Speaker 46 Sorry. No, we are.
We have to. We have to.
Let's go.

Speaker 55 Okay.

Speaker 52 Here are my culture things.

Speaker 87 Okay, I had to write them down because, again, see previous comment about not really having a working memory.

Speaker 166 Okay, Mary Poppins and sound of music.

Speaker 126 It's really Julie Andrews's like, was why I knew acting was a job because she did both of those roles.

Speaker 62 Within two years?

Speaker 168 It's crazy.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 105 And how old was she?

Speaker 99 She was like 29. Fuck.

Speaker 55 Sickening.

Speaker 56 Like realized that.

Speaker 67 She's not perfect and cultivated.

Speaker 61 Unbelievable.

Speaker 150 I met her and was

Speaker 55 Meredith Mark's level of incapable of being.

Speaker 26 Did we say that on the mic?

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 89 Oh, I don't know. I did.
We did. We did.

Speaker 26 So you won't familiar mega 2.0. Meredith Marks is there.
You were like

Speaker 55 with Chloe.

Speaker 119 I was Julie Andrews' level of incapable of handling it.

Speaker 129 Julie Andrews, I met at a PBS event like 10 years ago, which is perfect.

Speaker 95 I was like, we're supporting the arts and public television and you're here.

Speaker 140 And I just was like, I don't matter.

Speaker 165 I had this urge to be like, you're why I do what I do.

Speaker 92 But then I was like, she doesn't know what I do.

Speaker 122 She also doesn't know if it's good.

Speaker 99 So I'm going up to her and being like,

Speaker 128 for all she knows, I'm like a terrible, non-like, just bad actress.

Speaker 117 And I'm like, you are the reason.

Speaker 169 But I was like, I need to tell you this.

Speaker 158 And I don't expect anything from you because you don't know me from anyone.

Speaker 95 But I just, you've inspired me like to an amount that I can't possibly express.

Speaker 87 So she's like, that was, she was my culture for a really long time.

Speaker 109 Alongside

Speaker 1 Joan Rivers on Sesame Street.

Speaker 64 Oh, yeah, wow.

Speaker 52 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 26 Oh, wait, that was the Muppets. But Sesame Street is a different.

Speaker 94 She did, she did did a Hello Dolly sketch, but with the S was the letter of the day.

Speaker 89 And I think I'm getting this right.

Speaker 96 Yes.

Speaker 123 And it was like, I fact check this or not.

Speaker 150 I mean, whatever.

Speaker 55 It's in a podcast.

Speaker 1 But it is some combination of Joan Rivers and Sesame Street and Sally to the tune of Hello Dolly.

Speaker 97 I think this is all right.

Speaker 140 Formative.

Speaker 170 I was like, she's sexy.

Speaker 104 She's funny. Yeah.

Speaker 161 She's like so sharp.

Speaker 171 I'm so relieved that I don't have to be judged by her like on a day-to-day, but I also miss her.

Speaker 109 I know.

Speaker 33 I wonder what

Speaker 81 would have been like.

Speaker 46 I wonder what Joan Rivers' commentary would have been.

Speaker 33 I don't know how

Speaker 124 I would feel.

Speaker 86 Yeah, I don't know how it would all go down.

Speaker 95 We've done a lot of growing as a culture that I think she was maybe committed to.

Speaker 26 All I know is she definitely was a Trump 1.0 fan.

Speaker 42 Because

Speaker 67 of apprentice. Yeah.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 150 That's right. Okay.

Speaker 52 Moving on from Joan Rivers's mystery stream.

Speaker 89 I'm taking a hard 90-degree turn off.

Speaker 207 Star Wars.

Speaker 66 Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 154 Very important.

Speaker 99 Harrison Ford was my first love.

Speaker 169 And I don't say that lightly.

Speaker 156 Christopher Plummer was close, but he was still like a dad.

Speaker 46 I still aligned with him most.

Speaker 150 Yeah, he was like stern and like, you know,

Speaker 26 activating different synapses.

Speaker 141 Harrison Ford activated other synapses.

Speaker 96 And I fell in love with him in a way that I was like, this is attainable. I can do this.
Third grade, they re-released Star Wars in theaters.

Speaker 134 And I was like, this man is the most beautiful man I've ever seen.

Speaker 26 He really is an overwhelming movie star. Like, we were just in Disneyland in Paris, and there's like, there's like an Indiana Jones section.

Speaker 26 And I was looking at him and I was thinking, like, I wasn't ready, like, when I was a kid to like confront this, because you know how you have those formative memories of like seeing like someone and you're like, oh, like, he is like a manly type of sexuality.

Speaker 56 He had to just take over the 80s 90s.

Speaker 53 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 138 He's so powerful. He's a carpenter.

Speaker 150 He's he's fuck he was like i'm here because i'm like i didn't have a table to build right like i don't have to be doing movies he's like i've got a huge horizontal scar on my chin i don't care john wait watch me just kill it and i don't care truly like um unbothered babbitts writing about meeting him before acting it's like oh that guy is just just just world-endingly beautiful and talented.

Speaker 110 Oh my god, I just couldn't handle it.

Speaker 104 And so I felt very activated by Han Solo as a character and I feel like it, i kind of absorbed han's solo energy more than princess leia which separated me from my peers i feel like i wanted to be a kind of misanthropic alpha man

Speaker 140 and it has kind of like the lydia tar in me which by the way this is sort of an homage i feel like she would own this

Speaker 161 sort of my little like you know as the queen as the like the queen of the podcast

Speaker 168 lydia tar the queen of the podcast yeah she looms large for sure she looms large personally she's in um megan's four top four letterbox, which

Speaker 55 I saw that. Oh, my God.
Oh my god.

Speaker 55 I didn't get out.

Speaker 34 She goes, like, the girl who plays, you know, which was like, she's fine, but whatever.

Speaker 52 Perfect.

Speaker 134 I'm just, she owns me.

Speaker 58 So, yeah, Star Wars felt like I was like, this is culture.

Speaker 93 This is important.

Speaker 118 I need to have like an encyclopedic knowledge of this movie.

Speaker 93 And then immediately when they started making more than the first three, I was like, I'm out.

Speaker 55 I can't

Speaker 64 do this.

Speaker 132 But the first three are like, that was really.

Speaker 26 The first three are just like,

Speaker 26 that really, that's a culture that made me say culture for me.

Speaker 34 Yeah, because it also was my introduction to nerd culture and it was kind of simultaneous with Nintendo 64 so I was like is this my identity like am I but it was so user-friendly and then when everyone like went gamer I was like I guess I'm not like I bid you I had to I had to I know you guys are back no but you you guys are diverging on the same path I went another way y'all went yeah because when I could hold yeah Mario Kart I'm like this is accessible like the n64 controller with the three prongs and you could hold both like yes I knew how to hold that I don't know how to hold this one there's two there's two now there's two prongs I found out about the re-release from this podcast

Speaker 55 yes

Speaker 26 they're making another break news in video games and I'll break news in theme parks yeah so by the way there's new permitting anyway in epic universe this is our biggest divergence

Speaker 61 as people so you don't have to wait I can't do it you can't do it overwhelming what about the family terrified terrified oh terrified of rides rides theme parks

Speaker 161 people

Speaker 85 I just

Speaker 70 your son what about your son wait wait I will do it for I'll do anything for him.

Speaker 118 I mean, I let someone cut me open to bring him into the world.

Speaker 106 She bring up my C-section twice in the same video.

Speaker 134 It happened. It fucking sucked.

Speaker 98 But it's the best thing in the world.

Speaker 100 But anyway, I will do it.

Speaker 161 I'll do it for him.

Speaker 139 But I will.

Speaker 158 It's not like I'm going to be like excited and taking him.

Speaker 26 I'll be like, yeah, you're going to be, you're going to be the one kicking and screaming.

Speaker 61 Probably.

Speaker 85 I'm going to be grumpy and hot, like in a stroller.

Speaker 55 Just go in February.

Speaker 69 Go in February.

Speaker 175 I'm, of course, thinking you'll go to Orlando.

Speaker 141 I'm thinking you'll go to Orlando is a sentence sentence no one's ever said to me in my life.

Speaker 56 Honestly, how chic

Speaker 26 to be able to say that about yourself that no one would say that to you? All they've ever told me is you're in Orlando most of the years.

Speaker 139 No, but it's also part of the same thing where people would never be like, have you gone to Cotella?

Speaker 143 No one has ever been like, are you a burner?

Speaker 63 Have you ever encountered?

Speaker 129 They're like, you need a bathroom that has a sanitizing,

Speaker 104 a moist toilet.

Speaker 128 Why can't I say that word? I'm too tired.

Speaker 143 It's ready to wipe your seat down.

Speaker 152 Like, you can't, you need money to be part of something.

Speaker 157 You can't be in a barter economy.

Speaker 70 Like, they're just like, you don't belong in these buildings.

Speaker 149 So, it's the same part as, like, you don't belong. You don't belong.
I will go.

Speaker 140 Like, Megan is there. I will support my girl.

Speaker 103 Like, I'll support my actual son.

Speaker 167 Like, anytime I'll support you.

Speaker 91 If you're like, I need you to be there, I will go there for you.

Speaker 71 Because, did they do a Megan haunted house?

Speaker 171 They did.

Speaker 55 She was part of Halloween Hornet.

Speaker 64 She doesn't have her own house.

Speaker 168 Wow.

Speaker 132 But yes, she's part of it. They dance.
Oh, they need her.

Speaker 10 They need to get her own house.

Speaker 34 I can't tell you there are sanitizing towelettes or, you know, what

Speaker 78 you would like.

Speaker 61 A Burning Man?

Speaker 6 Not a Burning Man.

Speaker 52 in orlando you're like we're going back to the first thing they're absolutely not at burning man there's no

Speaker 101 experience you'd enjoy there at burning man in orlando why am i so stuck on burning man i'm like do i want to go to burning man okay is it a thing where it's like do you judge yourself for not being like a burner type i used to i wanted to project i know we have this but i wanted to project an energy of like i might yeah but i in the last like couple years i'm like i'm never i wouldn't like it why do i want to pretend to be someone who would enjoy it totally okay okay okay my last culture i feel like I can't, I don't know if you guys have talked about this.

Speaker 219 It's so specific.

Speaker 107 I'm looking at you because it feels more likely.

Speaker 121 Let's go.

Speaker 132 The Rapunzel episode of Storytime Theater with Shelly Duvall, who needed radishes.

Speaker 56 No, okay, I don't know this.

Speaker 102 With pregnancy cravings.

Speaker 26 I'm a Shelly Duvall girl, but like Fairy Tale Theater.

Speaker 66 No. Sorry, Fairy Tale Theater.

Speaker 57 I said Storytime.

Speaker 172 It is huge.

Speaker 107 It was, I think it's what allows me to make Megan movies, honestly.

Speaker 70 Explain.

Speaker 61 It is camp.

Speaker 102 Yes.

Speaker 131 It's high camp, but not educational.

Speaker 124 It's not Sesame Street Camp.

Speaker 55 Can we call it Sesame Street Camp?

Speaker 131 I don't know. It's not that.
It is.

Speaker 127 I think it is.

Speaker 161 It's like Shelly Duvall.

Speaker 25 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 66 Right there.

Speaker 146 Full expression, Shelly Duvall.

Speaker 121 Full eye aperture, like

Speaker 66 full eye aperture, full like giant wig sitting on a cliff while the wind blows.

Speaker 124 Big sets. Big sets.

Speaker 26 And you mean like it's how you know to eliminate the checkpoints to like

Speaker 40 get in there with Megan, look her in the eyes and do a scene.

Speaker 139 Like tear up in a scene with her.

Speaker 92 Like play the stakes.

Speaker 155 Yes.

Speaker 154 Don't wink at the camera. Don't be, don't be cool girl now.

Speaker 89 Yeah.

Speaker 26 You can be, you can be in on it in prep, like for all the script drafts, in post, for all the editing, everything.

Speaker 145 When I am there, and even like in video village, before I step into set, like in that mode, when I walk into those scenes with Megan and she's telling me some shit and I'm emotional, you just have to

Speaker 55 do that cool girl award.

Speaker 64 That's cool girl in a war.

Speaker 111 That's what how I actually feel that. Yes, of course you do.

Speaker 99 You must.

Speaker 139 You must. Otherwise, it's not fun for anyone to watch.

Speaker 91 We are all committed to the bit deeply, deeply, deeply.

Speaker 54 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Is Jenna on set reading the lines?

Speaker 96 No, sadly.

Speaker 158 She does it in a booth.

Speaker 55 All good.

Speaker 52 All good.

Speaker 74 No problem.

Speaker 55 That's okay. You're there.

Speaker 52 1830. That's okay.

Speaker 89 No problem, Jenna.

Speaker 15 You're not disappointing me.

Speaker 57 You're okay.

Speaker 102 That's okay.

Speaker 85 That's okay. We're fine.

Speaker 61 I'm okay. Are you okay?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 81 Yeah, I'm okay that Jenna is not there.

Speaker 108 Are you guys okay?

Speaker 60 I just recently.

Speaker 68 She's amazing, by by the way.

Speaker 58 She's amazing. I saw her last night.

Speaker 102 I saw all of them last night.

Speaker 134 It was so fun.

Speaker 53 I love her.

Speaker 26 Who else showed up to the Megan to win?

Speaker 121 We all did.

Speaker 161 And we are so close as a cast.

Speaker 57 Aristotle.

Speaker 207 Aristotle.

Speaker 174 Ari, the other Ari.

Speaker 58 The other Ari.

Speaker 94 Yes, Aristotle, BJA.

Speaker 63 Yeah, BJA.

Speaker 170 Amy, who is the physical, who was great on your show.

Speaker 107 Amy's the physical performer of Megan was there looking.

Speaker 122 They are growing up so fast.

Speaker 104 I sound so old, but Violet and Amy, Violet plays Katie and Nice.

Speaker 220 She was there, Tim Sharp, and Ivana Sakno, who you know because you've seen, plays Amelia, was there.

Speaker 102 And everyone, I mean, it was just and Jen Van Epps, who plays Tess.

Speaker 98 I mean, it was so close.

Speaker 139 And Meredith Marks, who's there without being in the movie.

Speaker 157 She's

Speaker 92 in the movie, just in the way she influences me as a human being.

Speaker 55 Oh,

Speaker 93 anyway, that was my culture.

Speaker 95 That was my last culture.

Speaker 55 Oh, my God.

Speaker 34 What's the through line? Mary Poppins, Sound of Music,

Speaker 34 John Rivers, Ontesman Street, Star Wars, and Rapunzel. Talk about the specific Rapunzel radishes episode.

Speaker 89 I think it was sticky because I'd never seen anyone want radishes and consume them in the way that she does.

Speaker 113 So she's having like pregnancy cravings and needs them transported to her.

Speaker 118 And the part of it that's sense memory-ish is watching someone like eat radishes and the delta between my level of enjoyment when I eventually got my hands on a radish and what the look on Shelly Duvall's face, like radicalized, radishicalized me.

Speaker 55 Radishicalized.

Speaker 57 Radishicalized me.

Speaker 52 Radishicalized.

Speaker 129 And I was like,

Speaker 137 I just really, I like, I don't know, it just crystallized this thing of like, this isn't objectively, this shouldn't be eaten this way.

Speaker 118 And she's not, it's not real.

Speaker 172 There's, but it, she made it feel real.

Speaker 52 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 26 Because she was committed to the bit.

Speaker 89 Exactly.

Speaker 126 And I was like, that is cool to your guys's point.

Speaker 95 I was like, this is, she's being cool.

Speaker 152 And I'm like, really enjoy.

Speaker 95 I'm in it and outside of it at the same time.

Speaker 118 It was one of my first experiences of that, I think.

Speaker 34 Fabulous constellation of answers.

Speaker 103 Thank you for that.

Speaker 52 Thank you for giving me an opportunity to think about it.

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Speaker 225 Okay, we got to get you out. Let's do it on Think So honey.

Speaker 26 We got to do it on out of Think So, honey. So, this is the 60-second segment that

Speaker 71 did you wait. What did you just show me on your phone? Are they texting you?

Speaker 33 Oh, okay. Well, we got it.
We got okay, good.

Speaker 61 We have to do what we have to do.

Speaker 55 We gotta do what we gotta do.

Speaker 26 Um, okay, so this is the 60-second segment we have on this podcast.

Speaker 133 Each and every week, we rant against something in culture.

Speaker 26 I do have something that felt apropos.

Speaker 74 Okay, here we go. This is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 34 It's time starts now.

Speaker 26 I don't think so, honey, use of the term millennial as a slur nowadays.

Speaker 26 You know what, Gen Z? I have news for you. You're getting older every single second.
And I have to tell you something. When you get to the point where you're our age, you're going to look back.

Speaker 77 You look stupid.

Speaker 26 Like the way that you guys dress, you look so stupid.

Speaker 55 I understand that we looked stupid.

Speaker 26 We did. Like the, you know, the low rise, the v-necks.
Like, I wore American apparel like it was, like, I worked there and I probably tried.

Speaker 68 You know what I mean?

Speaker 62 But, like, I can own my cringe.

Speaker 26 And I hope you get there because you look so stupid. Also, you're all queer.

Speaker 64 Cool.

Speaker 26 At least we fuck.

Speaker 77 You're not even fucking.

Speaker 174 You're queer.

Speaker 64 You want to fuck everybody.

Speaker 55 You're not even using it.

Speaker 83 You're not even using it.

Speaker 83 You guys don't vote.

Speaker 52 At least we vote.

Speaker 77 Here's the thing. Like we're out here trying really hard.

Speaker 26 And I get that it's cringe, but use of the term cringe and millennial as a slur, it's like so boring. And I'll tell you what's worse than cringe being boring.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 26 Use of millennial as a slur.

Speaker 26 Please like us.

Speaker 70 That's one minute.

Speaker 64 Wow. That's beautiful.
Artful. A masterclass.

Speaker 69 I tried.

Speaker 26 And that was very millennial of me.

Speaker 115 Did Twig and Red Hat bring this out?

Speaker 149 No, it did. Yeah,

Speaker 26 it was a mixture. So it was like last night, like me being like, oh, 30-plus thing, that definitely shook me.
And again, they meant nothing by it.

Speaker 26 But also Marnie Michaels as Millennial Icon and Girls as Millennial Landmark Show. And I think that's part of the reason why I'm so like.

Speaker 26 And I think it's why it's hitting again is because people now have aged into like a, not a self-consciousness, but a self-awareness where we can all really laugh. And we're all laughing at ourselves.

Speaker 26 So Gen Z being like, uh, the millennial pause, like, and getting us self-conscious.

Speaker 15 It's like, no, no, no, we don't need that.

Speaker 26 We are self-aware.

Speaker 15 We're millennials.

Speaker 52 We have suffered through being alive.

Speaker 55 We have. Yes.

Speaker 34 The amount of times I've seen, and I don't know, it's because my phone knows that we're talking to you, but it's like that we were about to talk to you.

Speaker 34 But all the past week, it was just like, let's make fun of the girl, put her stuff out there.

Speaker 34 It's like that's been resurfacing in such a huge way because of this thing where we're all like, okay, I think we're cresting the hill.

Speaker 73 Like, let's just move out.

Speaker 26 And another thing is, like, on TikTok, it's like, oh, the millennial pause. Like, we did a TikTok the other day.
No, it's like, cut the millennial pause.

Speaker 78 Like, it's like, you, it's like a video where it's like,

Speaker 34 hey, guys, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 33 You got it.

Speaker 55 You got to turn that.

Speaker 87 Because our phones have too many photos on them and they're just like slow.

Speaker 109 And we assume that it takes a second to start.

Speaker 34 It's that you hit, it's that a millennial person will hit record and then it takes them a second to realize that

Speaker 26 it's filming. And so now I go.

Speaker 53 And the Genesis

Speaker 15 always skimmed that off.

Speaker 26 But the thing is, that is so stupid as a thing to pick on and then i can't help but feel that in years time it's gonna be dumber that people were like ugh the millennial pause than the millennial pause being a thing like i think you guys in the grander scheme here are being uncool i think it's less cool to call out the millennial pause than like to have it sure All right.

Speaker 26 This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 153 His time starts now.

Speaker 34 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 160 Idioms.

Speaker 54 I'm just saying in every language, it is linguistic gatekeeping.

Speaker 34 It's unless you're a native speaker, you will spend the rest of your life trying to learn a French idiom and a Mandarin idiom. I don't know.

Speaker 34 Like, I don't know these things, even though I supposedly like spoke the languages at one point. English idioms, let's just go through a couple of them.

Speaker 153 Raining cats and dogs.

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 70 What the fuck? I don't get that.

Speaker 40 What are you talking about? That's a great.

Speaker 66 That's a great question.

Speaker 15 Just say it's raining very hard.

Speaker 60 It's coming down out there.

Speaker 59 Well, that actually, that doesn't quite.

Speaker 68 figurative language.

Speaker 114 I'm just going to say figurative language, beautiful, has a place in

Speaker 42 our in our culture.

Speaker 34 Idioms are this thing where it's like, it's poetry trying to disguise itself as like colloquial shit. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Let's just, I'm being a literalist for the rest of my life.

Speaker 34 I cannot speak in these metaphorical, figurative things.

Speaker 15 Idioms?

Speaker 26 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 49 And that's one minute.

Speaker 26 See, this, I feel like, is one of the great AP comp,

Speaker 55 like,

Speaker 52 yes, I wanted to talk to you about French.

Speaker 97 We'll sidebar about it. We'll talk about French.

Speaker 70 Your French is great.

Speaker 52 No, first language.

Speaker 15 No, no, no.

Speaker 100 I can hear it. Even in a case.

Speaker 64 He was a godsend to have in France.

Speaker 123 Yes. In a casual word.

Speaker 159 Anyway, we'll talk about it off mic. Thanks, Alfred.

Speaker 46 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 126 But yes, you are absolutely right.

Speaker 70 Yes.

Speaker 96 And the videos I love the most of other cultures are the ones where they say their idioms out loud in English so we can hear what they sound like.

Speaker 91 And they're like, we know this is crazy.

Speaker 219 And you'll never learn how to say this, but we say this to each other.

Speaker 57 All right.

Speaker 26 This is Allison Williams. I don't think so.

Speaker 70 Time starts now.

Speaker 128 Okay. Silanter's got to go.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 156 I can't anymore.

Speaker 1 I can't tell you to leave slanter out. Is there slanter in this?

Speaker 87 Are we calling it coriander?

Speaker 89 I just can't.

Speaker 137 And this is it.

Speaker 94 It has to go.

Speaker 139 I'm done. I'm sorry.

Speaker 102 Loud places.

Speaker 110 Why?

Speaker 150 I can't be in a loud place.

Speaker 81 No.

Speaker 86 I can't be in a loud place.

Speaker 99 I can't be in a loud restaurant.

Speaker 95 I have an app that tests decibels.

Speaker 120 I know the decibel level of New York City restaurants.

Speaker 165 I will not go if it is too loud.

Speaker 1 What's the point?

Speaker 95 Close talking because of loud places.

Speaker 156 I don't want to smell your breath.

Speaker 143 I don't want to feel it on my body.

Speaker 152 I don't don't want to get hors d'oeuvre on my face.

Speaker 52 Ew. Get back.

Speaker 131 Do not talk to me too close.

Speaker 94 People who like fish and eggs and eat them in the world with the rest of us, stop.

Speaker 99 Keep your disgusting food kink like cilantro to yourself.

Speaker 95 I don't want to be in the same room as an egg-based product or a fish product.

Speaker 119 Keep it somewhere else.

Speaker 156 15 seconds. Lack of monoculture, we already talked about.

Speaker 219 The last one is.

Speaker 131 I actually do need sleep, but I identify as someone who doesn't and I hate it.

Speaker 102 I loved that I was a four hours a night person in high school and college. I miss her terribly.

Speaker 95 She is gone. I need eight.
I need to accept this. And I don't want to.
So I don't think so, honey, needing sleep.

Speaker 55 And that's one minute.

Speaker 57 And she used to be mine.

Speaker 174 Oh, that song.

Speaker 52 We go off for another hour.

Speaker 34 We need to hear you sing this at some point in the future because she has to go.

Speaker 82 Megan 2.0, it's in theaters June 27th.

Speaker 68 Go see it. It's so fucking good.

Speaker 153 The moment is,

Speaker 37 I can't spoil it. I wanted to say it.

Speaker 46 I wanted to say the singer, but yeah, it is.

Speaker 114 It'll be such a delightful surprise to you.

Speaker 85 Expose the theater.

Speaker 132 Expose the theater.

Speaker 55 Thank you so much for your here. Thank you so much.

Speaker 64 I love coming.

Speaker 165 I love you both.

Speaker 118 I feel confident dropping that hard L. Love you.

Speaker 218 Thank you for the hours and hour, days, cumulatively months of entertainment.

Speaker 92 Thank you for just everything.

Speaker 87 Thank you for recognizing me as cool.

Speaker 94 Low-key before I did.

Speaker 64 I'm so grateful.

Speaker 26 And you've RSVP'd yesterday.

Speaker 34 I appreciate it.

Speaker 29 And I RSVPS as well.

Speaker 67 Love you. All right.

Speaker 64 Yeah, we had a restaurant on the song.

Speaker 55 Woo-hoo-hoo!

Speaker 52 That was like sort of a coup of a divine gravity. Bye.
Bye.

Speaker 114 Lost Culture East.

Speaker 66 This is the production by Will Farrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

Speaker 84 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 9 Executive and produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos.

Speaker 225 Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Labord.

Speaker 70 And our music is by Henry Kabirski.

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