“Nota Bene” (w/ Mike Birbiglia)

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Speaker 62 Bowen, look over there.

Speaker 63 Wow, is that culture? Yes.

Speaker 61 Goodness.

Speaker 62 Wow.

Speaker 15 Las Culturistas.

Speaker 3 Ding-dong.

Speaker 64 Las Culturistas calling.

Speaker 66 I think we can switch the count of

Speaker 69 lovely, straight male guests that we've had on the show on two hands now.

Speaker 70 Skyrocketed with this one.

Speaker 51 I just wanted to handle a male.

Speaker 73 And I think that that warrants celebration.

Speaker 74 No, 100%.

Speaker 75 Like, well, by the way, you know, I have got my Coke Zero in front of me.

Speaker 77 And of course, it says bro.

Speaker 75 And that had to be cosmic.

Speaker 79 Absolutely.

Speaker 77 I have to tell you, I'm a little distracted because Bone and I were eating something spicy today and our stomachs are in a place.

Speaker 75 And I think it put me on a bad mood on a call we just had.

Speaker 74 And I'm concerned about the way that I.

Speaker 69 I actually admired you on that call.

Speaker 85 I mean, you were, you were sort of like.

Speaker 67 It wasn't directed at anyone.

Speaker 73 It was kind of a rallying cry to get the whole team, everyone on this Zoom on the same page about something.

Speaker 88 Readers, Katie's, publicists, finalists, Kyles, you know, like sometimes it's just like you get frustrated and it has to come out.

Speaker 83 Like, and I, I, I don't even,

Speaker 91 I don't like being like that.

Speaker 92 I had a moment like that this morning with you before we

Speaker 52 know with just the people in the room.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 95 And I was just like, I was just exasperated.

Speaker 97 I think sometimes you get to a certain point where you're just like, I have to vent frustrations.

Speaker 98 And it's, it's hard because like, I feel like my Motus Op brandy every day is like, cheerful.

Speaker 89 Want to leave places better than I, that I came in.

Speaker 101 Yes.

Speaker 77 And then, but sometimes you get a little human moment and your stomach is hurt from eating something spicy and things are kind of like getting to you and you express.

Speaker 104 Can I point out something else?

Speaker 68 Your MO lately has been to say the full modus operandi rather than abbreviating it to MO because this is, I think, the second time this week that you've said the full modus operandi.

Speaker 74 And can I tell you, every time I say the expression modus operandi, I'm like, I think this is right.

Speaker 109 It is.

Speaker 80 It is right.

Speaker 73 You know what it means.

Speaker 80 I actually didn't.

Speaker 111 I didn't know that M.O.

Speaker 3 meant modus operandi.

Speaker 60 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 98 I just, I've literally been thinking of them as two totally different things.

Speaker 60 I kind of love that, Free, that you're saying the full, that you're modus operandi.

Speaker 68 You're tripling the vowel, the syllable count.

Speaker 113 I think it's such a beautiful phrase.

Speaker 112 It is. Oh, it's.
Modus operandi.

Speaker 98 Think about like the peaks and valleys of that.

Speaker 107 Of course.

Speaker 25 You know what I want to kind of work in, which is so insufferable is NB or not de beneh.

Speaker 117 What does that mean?

Speaker 86 Like, you know, like when when like when someone writes something and they go NB, as in, as in, like, um, it's like a, it's like a PS, but it's like within the same paragraph.

Speaker 73 It's like, I went to the store today, NB, it was crowded.

Speaker 120 I don't know about NB.

Speaker 100 No one ever uses NB with me.

Speaker 86 Well, anyway, that's Latin/slash/Italian, and we have an Italian legend with us in the room too.

Speaker 23 Truly, it's a Roman Catholic, Italian legend.

Speaker 65 We've got to talk about the Pope.

Speaker 116 The Pope.

Speaker 70 The conclave.

Speaker 59 This fate and karma in the air, because we have one of the, we have a we have a scholar on the Catholic Church here met a pope met a pope maybe met the last great one can i now that now that more and more comes out about leo i also i know that i'm saying this from like a place of like having an upset stomach and also like a little bit ornery because of your ornery i had a thing today but like what the fuck did people expect with no i know no i'm not surprised it's just like it's so funny it's so funny the way that like popes are like ripe for like literal adulation from like internet people like oh my god that the new pope It's like let's all get together and watch the conclave and like what then be immediately

Speaker 94 It's like you're you're can I be real like this never gonna change like you're never gonna the pope is never gonna be like yeah, I think gay guys should rock the fuck on That's never what the pope is gonna say no, but we liked we liked Francis because he was kind of like gay guys should rock the fuck on and then still used slurs in a fun way literally in in a way that made me go i like him really frociine made me go that is hilarious frogine

Speaker 86 okay i thought i forgot about that that's like almost as beautiful as modus operandi absolutely well anyway our guest is a real legend truly truly this is his fourth netflix special the good life the good life it's really sublime

Speaker 8 might have shed a tear but that's because i was at serotonin zero when I watched it.

Speaker 72 And that's exactly where I,

Speaker 94 the state in which I should have watched it.

Speaker 132 I probably was like, my serotonin probably was a little bit higher than that, but I also cried.

Speaker 124 Oh, I mean, like, it's, yeah, this is an incredible storyteller.

Speaker 76 It was a sensitive, amazing man.

Speaker 78 Cute guy, too.

Speaker 60 Cute guy.

Speaker 3 Not bad.

Speaker 60 Not bad to look at either.

Speaker 70 Well, don't make his head explode.

Speaker 23 Everyone, please welcome

Speaker 59 Mike Vervegia.

Speaker 110 This is the best introduction to a podcast I've ever received.

Speaker 137 Was it? Cute guy.

Speaker 138 Not bad.

Speaker 60 Not bad.

Speaker 90 No, that's a, hey, hey, hey, you guys.

Speaker 139 Nice man.

Speaker 108 Man's a man.

Speaker 64 Well, it's great to have a front runner for a title of app.

Speaker 140 What is his modus operandi?

Speaker 143 Operand die.

Speaker 121 Do you see die or d I guess Latin?

Speaker 23 It's die.

Speaker 144 Die. I think die.

Speaker 142 I like getting the Latin in.

Speaker 146 I like that modus operandi.

Speaker 87 Can you talk to us about your current modus operandi?

Speaker 148 My current modus operandi is

Speaker 150 mode of working, I guess, is

Speaker 151 I'm in a writer space right now.

Speaker 152 I'm writing my next movie.

Speaker 59 Great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 94 How is, okay, and can you share what stage you're at with it?

Speaker 146 I'm at the stage of like, I want to film it next spring and I've written drafts of it and I just want to get it to a point where it's an ensemble where all eight characters are like lovely and it's very like don't think twice.

Speaker 3 And we've all talked about don't think twice a bit because it mirrored the NYU improv

Speaker 121 life. It did.

Speaker 100 I mean, that movie, I remember, I told you this one I came on the podcast.

Speaker 157 I'm sure you guys spoke about it.

Speaker 158 Don't think twice as well.

Speaker 132 Like, it shook me to my core when I first watched it because I was like, I remember it was like, I don't know how you felt.

Speaker 60 We've never really talked about that.

Speaker 25 We hadn't really talked about Don't Think Twice.

Speaker 58 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 75 Maybe because it was a sensitive subject at the time.

Speaker 77 But like it really scared me.

Speaker 111 I was like, oh, there's no way I'd be that much of a dick to my friends as the character you play in that movie.

Speaker 162 I was like, I don't know if this is like a depiction of what our community is really like.

Speaker 124 And then you go through that experience and you're like, oh, yeah, all sorts of humanity can come out of this.

Speaker 164 You know? Yeah.

Speaker 147 It's like an interesting life experience of like that first time for me it was like in my 30s when you realized like life isn't fair

Speaker 2 and like not everyone gets the same thing in your group of best friends from college exactly

Speaker 69 but then is this new film

Speaker 171 a lovelier bunch than the don't think twice group you would say it's a it's a i think mixed bag okay i think it's it's a fun ensemble film i'm really excited about i don't even know if i'm gonna be in it like i'm i'm excited to just write and direct that sucks

Speaker 174 Well, making movies is so fun.

Speaker 140 Yeah. And I just love it.

Speaker 136 I love, I'm obsessed with movies.

Speaker 175 I think that's my, my Las Culturistas kind of like

Speaker 156 way in.

Speaker 105 I love movies.

Speaker 165 We watch, for example, like we watch Wicked probably Seven or Eight Times.

Speaker 107 Did you know Una?

Speaker 84 Una loved it.

Speaker 62 She's a Wicked Head.

Speaker 152 She would lose her mind if she knew I was here right now.

Speaker 127 I don't think the kids care about me.

Speaker 139 No,

Speaker 176 she cares and she watches SNL.

Speaker 135 And I think maybe you've been on it as a cake.

Speaker 72 Is it possible? I have not been on it as a cake.

Speaker 59 A lot of the SNL is a huge heart.

Speaker 165 That's not folks crossover to.

Speaker 60 That's huge for her. Yeah.

Speaker 104 In the same way that it's huge for me.

Speaker 23 Because, and can I tell you, the thing that breaks my heart about my summer is that I can't line up with the shooting dates.

Speaker 59 Oh, bumming.

Speaker 3 I'm like, damn it. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 58 So I guess I got to, whatever.

Speaker 25 It's got to wait.

Speaker 134 But it's coming back.

Speaker 83 Oh, it's fun.

Speaker 102 There's something, you know, who I feel like would connect with kids, and I clearly he has is Mikey.

Speaker 146 There's something very like infectious about his energy and childlike about it that i think like to my daughter mikey is like my steve martin oh i love that i love that yeah like sometimes i'll explain to her i'll be like so the way you see mikey is like how i see steve martin

Speaker 23 and she kind of gets it i think you have this joke in the special where when people stop you on the street when she's with you they're like a big fan of your comedy whatever when they like when they like throw praise at you in passing you know you finally asked her her one day, like, how does that make you feel when that happens?

Speaker 65 And to spoil it?

Speaker 80 And she said, well, you, you, you say it.

Speaker 146 She goes, it's a waste of my time.

Speaker 33 Right.

Speaker 66 But then.

Speaker 184 And I go, that's the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. And I know Bill Burr.

Speaker 61 You know Bill Burr. I love Burr.

Speaker 60 Great joke.

Speaker 152 But then someone called me the other day and they go, who's like a friend of Bill Burr?

Speaker 122 And they're like, hey.

Speaker 152 I think Bill Burr might have some concerns about that.

Speaker 135 I'm like, it's a compliment.

Speaker 142 It's like a great compliment.

Speaker 3 It's a compliment. Does he think he's a sweetheart? I don't know.

Speaker 143 The reality is he's.

Speaker 163 His persona is like, you know, he's a ball buster.

Speaker 78 Right.

Speaker 157 That's the way it read to me in this.

Speaker 178 I misunderstood.

Speaker 185 No, no.

Speaker 159 I think let's just, okay, we can just address this here and now.

Speaker 152 Let's address it here and now.

Speaker 52 Bilber is one of the great sweethearts of the industry.

Speaker 25 So lovely. Your persona is ballbuster.

Speaker 135 I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 147 Unless I misunderstood all the specials.

Speaker 3 No, no.

Speaker 96 Well, I think that it's like to an audience watching your special, like I would imagine they watch his specials as well.

Speaker 186 And the persona is ballbuster.

Speaker 87 So you're speaking to the persona.

Speaker 187 You're speaking about this person with the, you know,

Speaker 120 well, of course, I overthink everything.

Speaker 173 So this person says this to me and I go, well, what do you think he'll say?

Speaker 152 They go, well, he might call you.

Speaker 184 I go, well, if he calls me, here's what I would say.

Speaker 145 I would go, if it wasn't your name, it wouldn't get a laugh.

Speaker 3 Exactly. It's like,

Speaker 177 that's the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me.

Speaker 145 And I know Chris Rock.

Speaker 3 No one would laugh.

Speaker 176 He doesn't have that persona.

Speaker 62 He'd be like, what do you mean is he mean?

Speaker 98 Whereas other,

Speaker 128 yeah.

Speaker 121 And there's something about the ear hit of Bill Burr that the sound of nice that pop, pop, pop, pop.

Speaker 25 But then you say that your daughter, okay, and I believe that your daughter has said to you that that is a waste of, it's a waste of her time whenever that happens.

Speaker 129 But does she understand that, you know,

Speaker 25 her dad

Speaker 51 being

Speaker 94 who he is and doing what he does ends up, like, is the reason why she gets to go to Rome or that he gets to be in a Taylor Swift music video or something like that?

Speaker 179 Does she, she can connect to it on that level?

Speaker 136 I'd like to think so, but you know, it's like you, you, and I make the joke in this special, it's like like we're my parents were not physically affectionate with me and like jenny and i are the opposite which i'm gonna we'll find out what problem that creates

Speaker 95 when she's a grown-up right it's like you know you're messing up something and you just try to do your best i'm starting to see like a micro generation under us like we know people okay perfect example friend of the show natalie rodder lateman and then another friend of the show celeste yim says The reason they love Natalie so much is because Natalie is someone who is a product of their parents loving them so much, and she's just this wonderful, chill, like, just like carefree kind of person, yeah, and in a way that is like so

Speaker 68 unfettered.

Speaker 23 And I feel like hopefully that's where Una ends up.

Speaker 120 I think so.

Speaker 196 Yeah, I'd like to think about it for her to be able to say it's a waste of my time, hilarious.

Speaker 147 Yeah, I showed her the trailer the other day, and then this week I'm going to show her some clips and kind of easy.

Speaker 167 Some of this stuff is a little over the age 10.

Speaker 148 Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 104 In terms of

Speaker 23 like heaviness or in terms of heaviness, I think.

Speaker 190 Yes, The stroke stuff is pretty heavy.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 175 For people listening, like, it's about my dad having a stroke and kind of dealing with that.

Speaker 178 And yeah, it's pretty heavy.

Speaker 119 Would it play the same in every iteration that you would do the show where like there are there are these really quick shifts in room tone, even not even just like your tone as a performer, but like the room, a hush falls in the room so quickly.

Speaker 129 And then you immediately break that and it picks back up.

Speaker 67 But like, would it, did you see the peaks and valleys every time in the same way?

Speaker 173 It definitely varied and over

Speaker 180 you know over time it's like calibrating how do you signal to the audience and quickly yeah that i'm gonna say something serious we're dragging yeah yeah and a lot of it is like honestly just silence like there'll be moments where like i'll just walk stage right and just not say anything for a second.

Speaker 152 I think at this point, my audience is like, they kind of know from the old man in the pool and the new one that like that's in there.

Speaker 147 Yeah.

Speaker 152 And that's like, actually, like, one of the coolest things about making these shows now is that, like, it's not out of nowhere that there's drama.

Speaker 66 I feel like the drama in the past was always,

Speaker 66 I don't know, maybe my memory's bad, but it felt like it like lived a little bit longer.

Speaker 80 And in this one, it feels like in the good life, it feels like it's the rhythm, the cadence is like a little bit more contracted in a way that I'm like, oh, this is really interesting.

Speaker 169 Like you kind of like toggle between them in a quicker way.

Speaker 119 Thank you.

Speaker 60 Does it feel like that?

Speaker 130 Yeah, I think part of it is

Speaker 146 my other shows were about kind of pain that I experienced in the past.

Speaker 147 And this one for the first time is about pain I'm experiencing in my present.

Speaker 140 My dad is like still hanging on after having a stroke 15 months ago.

Speaker 193 It's like, it's devastating.

Speaker 184 Like it's like every week, it's just really, really hard.

Speaker 201 And we have moments, right?

Speaker 154 It's like, and I talk about that in special.

Speaker 175 It's like going to celebrate his 84th birthday was beautiful.

Speaker 164 He's surrounded by his children and his grandchildren.

Speaker 147 And like, I gave him rosary beads from the Vatican that the last Pope blessed.

Speaker 201 And it's like, I mean, I'm hoping that that's the rawness of it

Speaker 175 is what connects with people.

Speaker 152 And you guys were saying, like, you're a little choked up from this.

Speaker 175 Like, I want that to be the case.

Speaker 146 Yeah.

Speaker 147 I think, like, I think the, for me, like, the, the comedy that I connect to most, and that's why I was saying, like, like, movies is my like love language of like my culturista is like, it's like movies i think do that really well when they like james l brooks movies or like like even this weekend like we were watching because it's on netflix now because four seasons tina faye's great series the original one we watched the original this weekend i'm just so choked up yeah something about those 70s movies that like wrecks me yeah what's your favorite james l brooks um broadcast news absolutely and then in terms of endearment oh terms of december two terms is wild so i have a question though because you talk about like how there wasn't a lot of affection from your parents.

Speaker 202 Like, were you always someone?

Speaker 70 I have two questions.

Speaker 74 One, you went to Georgetown, right?

Speaker 142 Yeah.

Speaker 113 Do you think if your parents had hugged you more, you still would have gone to Georgetown?

Speaker 84 No. Probably not, right?

Speaker 128 Right.

Speaker 64 So, that, thank you for asking that question so in such a short way.

Speaker 64 Um, food for thought out there.

Speaker 100 And um, the other thing is, were you always seeking out

Speaker 124 emotional outlets as a kid?

Speaker 132 Or is that, did you arrive at wanting connections with emotional films and media a little bit later because you felt maybe delayed or lacking in that?

Speaker 147 I think I found it when I was a kid, I would write like poems and songs.

Speaker 190 Like, I have these ridiculous, like a joke book, a poem book, a songbook.

Speaker 140 And then my, you know, I still have them all.

Speaker 193 And they're ridiculous.

Speaker 140 And I had no real outlet for it.

Speaker 173 I did a little theater in high school.

Speaker 175 And when I went to college, I auditioned for the improv group and I didn't know what improv was.

Speaker 152 And then I was like, I'm all in on this.

Speaker 147 And so that became my entire existence.

Speaker 89 And that was, that was, yeah.

Speaker 174 And it kind of weirdly still is.

Speaker 173 Yes.

Speaker 140 Like lately, I've been improvising with the PVD boys

Speaker 165 over at UCB.

Speaker 173 And like, it's my most joy outside of being with my family.

Speaker 152 Yeah.

Speaker 121 They love it.

Speaker 3 I have so fun.

Speaker 67 I'm, I'm a bad friend, and I have yet to be at one of those, but they've asked me multiple times.

Speaker 3 Let's do it.

Speaker 116 We would love both of you to come.

Speaker 3 Let's do it. Oh, you guys got to come improvise it's so funny we've been doing it we've been doing recently with josh sharp and aaron jackson it's been it's been like it's i saw that yeah

Speaker 142 i'm afraid of that one no no it's a little bit

Speaker 204 but it's too i feel like the bell house is it's too big it's a great

Speaker 3 too so it's like

Speaker 207 you and that feels weird for a second but then it comes kind of becomes part of the bit the thing with them and the thing with like i feel like it's got to be with pdd too because they're such little joy bubbles i feel like is it's like you immediately feel so comfortable and taken care of.

Speaker 100 And I think that what was stressing me out when I was like doing improv and even doing comedy at large when I was younger is I always felt like I had something to prove.

Speaker 137 And I was incapable of clearing the mind and just saying yes and listening.

Speaker 115 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 77 Because you're so concerned about what you say being funny or good or smart or worthwhile

Speaker 70 that like you need to be, you either need time to understand how to do that or you need to be comfortable right at the jump.

Speaker 70 And they make, now that I think time time has passed and i understand what comedy is and they make me so comfortable it's like a perfect situation yeah i think part of it is well first of all i love those guys i love dixon music all the best

Speaker 211 you're great thank you second of all i think part of it is you're right like i think when you get older you start to trust what the wisdom of the art form is or anything like literally like i played tennis recently i'm like i think i'm better than i was like in high school when i played you give less of a fuck yeah because it because do you want to know why there's nothing there's no one that's going to tell you hey that you did a bad job and we were counting on you that's right because like it's so true I mean it's literally it's like it's funny because I did a lot of team sports when I was growing up I was a big athlete and then I didn't want to do that anymore and so I went to college and all of a sudden it was like oh get on the improv or sketch team or like take classes at UCB where it was unfortunately a team sport

Speaker 138 and you could disappoint people and when you're like yeah when you're at that age and you've got your hangups and stuff disappointing people is the top of the list that would suck.

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 104 Even, cause in high school, was it like a team structure?

Speaker 23 Was it like a ladder or something in tennis?

Speaker 80 Cause you had, cause you had like a wrestling thing too, where wrestling, tennis, and soccer.

Speaker 116 Those are my high school sports.

Speaker 94 And in all of those situations, it's just, there are so many opportunities for someone to be like, hey, you're not good at this or something.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 3 just make me feel like 100%.

Speaker 147 And also, I think you, most people, me, I didn't have the presence of mind in high school to be like, they're right.

Speaker 60 I should relax.

Speaker 183 You know what I mean?

Speaker 91 Like when you get older, you're like, no, no, you should relax.

Speaker 60 Yeah. Like, that's how you do things well.

Speaker 80 You can't tell a teenager or a young person to chill out.

Speaker 106 No, they don't have to be.

Speaker 196 They can't do it. Yeah.

Speaker 76 It's like they haven't experienced enough life to not know that it's end-all, be-all.

Speaker 191 Right.

Speaker 147 That's why it's so weird when you see someone who's like 15 years old and they're like amazing at a thing.

Speaker 143 Yes.

Speaker 60 And you're like, who told you?

Speaker 112 But you know, they don't.

Speaker 189 How do you know?

Speaker 3 They're so fucked up later in life, though.

Speaker 64 That's why I love Queen's Gambit, though.

Speaker 147 Like, I was watching that recently for the first time late to the party.

Speaker 107 It's like,

Speaker 204 it's fun to watch a prodigy.

Speaker 113 Yeah.

Speaker 188 Even though it's fake.

Speaker 204 It's fun to watch.

Speaker 33 Like, oh, what would that be like if you were a prodigy?

Speaker 64 You'd get addicted to drugs.

Speaker 123 That's one of the few pieces of media where it does depict the full arc of prodigy, and then it all falls apart later in life.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 164 And then comes together.

Speaker 121 And then comes together, which is, yeah, which is best case thing.

Speaker 184 Thank God.

Speaker 178 Thank God.

Speaker 74 It's also really interesting because

Speaker 75 adults' relationship to her power and success, it really is really, it's very good at exploring that as well.

Speaker 74 You know what I mean? Like her adopted mother and then, you know, like all the things that go on with that.

Speaker 189 Yes. It's

Speaker 89 really, that actually was

Speaker 111 way better at.

Speaker 128 It was about so much more than that one situation.

Speaker 210 Work on great art.

Speaker 165 Well, that made me think to watch my daughter searching for Bobby Fisher the other day.

Speaker 3 I've never seen. Oh, wow.

Speaker 142 That's a great one.

Speaker 203 Yeah.

Speaker 152 And then the other day for my daughter's 10th birthday, five person sleepover and they watch Clueless.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's

Speaker 139 more.

Speaker 2 Had they never seen it?

Speaker 175 No, some of them had, some of them hadn't.

Speaker 21 Did they like it? What do they think?

Speaker 116 I think they loved it.

Speaker 192 Oh, good.

Speaker 85 Oh, that makes me so happy to hear because I'm like, does this, will that?

Speaker 195 Because one of my curiosities is, will this work on a younger, a way younger generation?

Speaker 215 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I'm so glad to hear that it has or that it might.

Speaker 168 Yeah, they seem pretty happy.

Speaker 185 I think it will.

Speaker 87 We want to know why. Because

Speaker 212 what makes that movie work so well is that it's a shared language in the movie that you may not understand, but they understand it so well.

Speaker 67 Fantasy is so fun.

Speaker 83 It's such a fun world.

Speaker 75 Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 191 There's definitely some things over the kids' heads.

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 106 I remember watching it the first time and being like, I remember the moment.

Speaker 206 I was in an astro van on a road trip with my parents.

Speaker 75 And you know how they put the like big TV in the back of the Astro van?

Speaker 131 So me and my sister, I was, I think I was nine and she was six.

Speaker 2 And we watched Clueless and it ended.

Speaker 98 And we both just stared at the screen. And I I said, I don't know if I vocalized this, but I was like, it was something to the effect of like, I think I loved that.

Speaker 115 And my sister, who's six, goes, me too.

Speaker 106 I want to watch it again right now.

Speaker 61 Oh, wow.

Speaker 102 You know what?

Speaker 98 And it's speaking to what you just said about it's visually so fun.

Speaker 87 They're so confident doing it.

Speaker 115 It's, it feels like.

Speaker 74 It still feels after it's tried to be copied so many times, it feels like it's doing its own thing.

Speaker 217 And also Alicia Silverstone, just in like a magical period.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 90 Like something, sometimes stars are having it.

Speaker 168 Like Val Kilmer is a good example.

Speaker 184 He passed away recently.

Speaker 91 You look at like real genius.

Speaker 106 You just go, I don't know what was going on.

Speaker 142 But something was.

Speaker 218 Something was happening.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Val Kilmer in that movie is like magic.
Who is that person?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 83 It's so aligned with the era.

Speaker 67 Yeah. It's when it's, yeah, it's when a performer is aligned with the era, but I mean.

Speaker 168 Well, it's like Tom Cruise like risky business.

Speaker 140 She's like, I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 112 But I would say Lindsey Lohan, too.

Speaker 109 I was going to say, I was just like, Lindsey Lohan.

Speaker 61 Yeah.

Speaker 104 And like, who else?

Speaker 61 Like, Winona Ryder.

Speaker 66 Winona.

Speaker 128 For like, a, for like a longer period.

Speaker 147 That was like a five, six year period, but I was just so trap Lindsey Lohan is fantastic. My daughter loves Lindsay's.

Speaker 63 Oh my God. The best.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 223 Have you seen this play?

Speaker 162 John Proctor is the villain.

Speaker 106 I've I've heard this is wonderful.

Speaker 75 I wanted to make sure I brought it in today and they can even use this.

Speaker 77 It's about a classroom in high school in 2018 who is reading The Crucible Under New Eyes, Amidst Me Too, and everything.

Speaker 184 It's fantastic. Oh, we'll go see it for sure.

Speaker 111 But it got me in a Winona Ryder worm.

Speaker 59 Oh, shit.

Speaker 75 Because she was one of the best Abigail Williamses in The Crucible.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 201 Winona Ryder is another one.

Speaker 90 Yes.

Speaker 152 Magical in that era.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like

Speaker 61 Beetlejuice. Yeah.

Speaker 51 Heathers. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 76 Age of Innocence.

Speaker 116 this is the thing i always have to remind myself about living in new york sometimes you with new york you're like all right it's too many people this is just too many people but then you go see a

Speaker 147 show like that and you go oh right like we we went for una's birthday to see wicked after she's in the movie seven times and i'm just losing it crying like dancing through life just like

Speaker 85 that ending unbelievable gets me gets me but wait you're saying there's too many people in new york and therefore you don't want to you want to go and do it

Speaker 192 exactly we want to take advantage of what we have

Speaker 210 to do it because honestly i i'm on my kick again right now obviously it's like it's like tony sees it well now you have more time soon but and i'm seeing a lot and i try to only come here with like the highlights because i see a lot so i just saw maybe happy ending which was amazing and this john proctor is the villain is my favorite thing i've seen in quite some time

Speaker 70 yeah it's it's and sadie sink is the star and i'm like really excited that she used her star power from stranger things to highlight something like this oh that's great the the playwright is Kimberly Bellflower.

Speaker 75 She's amazing.

Speaker 109 Josh Shreppener and Jackson.

Speaker 60 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 117 And the whole cast is fantastic.

Speaker 187 It's just, it's really, I thought like at first, like when I saw like it marketed, it looked like Girl Boss the Crucible.

Speaker 113 Right.

Speaker 70 And I was like, okay, interesting. But it's like

Speaker 143 which we would still gladly see.

Speaker 112 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 114 But you never know what like mainstream theater is going to do.

Speaker 209 But they've been impressing me every time I've gone out lately.

Speaker 99 I'm just like really excited about what's on stage.

Speaker 145 I love Good Night and Good Luck.

Speaker 108 Have a good day. I'm going to go see that one.

Speaker 184 George, what else? What else is up right now? We should see.

Speaker 179 I'm not the person to ask. This is your guy.

Speaker 23 But now that I've got time.

Speaker 70 I've said the things I love.

Speaker 106 Okay.

Speaker 59 I get you.

Speaker 193 Read the subtext.

Speaker 110 Read the subtext.

Speaker 60 Are you pre-dreading the questions you'll be asked about the Pope and about how this special kind of presciently focuses on the Pope pre-Conclave, pre-election?

Speaker 173 Yeah, it's like it was like a year ago.

Speaker 146 Jim Gaffigan calls me, who was on behalf of Stephen Colbert, asking me to go meet the public.

Speaker 184 And I was very torn.

Speaker 156 I was alter boy as a kid.

Speaker 152 And, you know,

Speaker 200 in the 80s, like Spotlight, you know, what Spotlight was about.

Speaker 105 Literally in Boston.

Speaker 59 In Massachusetts.

Speaker 93 Massachusetts, Massachusetts.

Speaker 146 That was a movie that.

Speaker 116 It's Tom McCarthy's movie, Spotlight, that hit me so hard.

Speaker 122 It was an incredible movie. Wow.

Speaker 170 But like, yeah, so I've always had like deep concerns about the Catholic Church.

Speaker 147 And, and I've thought about it and ultimately it was just like, this is very important to my parents.

Speaker 173 Like they raised me Catholic.

Speaker 170 My mom went to Latin Mass when she was a kid, like pre-Vatican II Catholic Church.

Speaker 175 And so I knew like, and they were going through a hard time and I was just like, okay, I'm going to go.

Speaker 177 And there's an odd synchronicity.

Speaker 146 Pope Francis' real name was Beragoglio.

Speaker 147 My last name is Beragilia.

Speaker 152 And

Speaker 266 yeah, so you make a joke that's like he just, he just kind of like

Speaker 143 kind of like googled himself or something or no, he just looked at himself as though he like looked, yeah, he's just googled comedian.

Speaker 183 He's like, he's a Birbivia, I'm a Birbagorio.

Speaker 112 It's my longest. He's got cousins.

Speaker 131 He's got to be here.

Speaker 181 We got to make sure he's in the room.

Speaker 61 But, you know,

Speaker 122 as far as popes go, he was pretty good.

Speaker 61 I thought so. Right.

Speaker 193 And yeah, he busted gay couples and he was open.

Speaker 165 This is what Whoopi Goldberg pointed out because she was one of the people who was there with us.

Speaker 184 She was a big fan of Pope Francis.

Speaker 173 He welcomed divorced couples back into the church.

Speaker 122 I was like, we weren't welcoming divorced couples.

Speaker 108 Like, Like, why?

Speaker 106 I did not get the memo on that one.

Speaker 173 But then when I was there, there was a lot of talk with the insiders of like, we're a little worried that it might be a conservative pope

Speaker 152 because the international side of the church is sometimes very, much more conservative than Pope Francis was.

Speaker 146 And so to your point earlier, of like this new pope, Leo, it's like,

Speaker 184 it's like, yes, there's, there's things you can criticize, but also we dodged a bullet of like, yeah, that we got the Trump of popes.

Speaker 60 Right, right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 It could have been that.

Speaker 145 It could have been like, could have been worse.

Speaker 142 Bananas.

Speaker 93 Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 25 Then we retract what we, what we've said about Pope Leo.

Speaker 178 That was the first thing I was going to ask you to do. Please retract.

Speaker 150 I have really strong feelings with this.

Speaker 147 No, I know almost nothing about the Pope Leo guy.

Speaker 53 I mean, all I know is with the way that queer media was up in arms about him being, not up in arms, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 77 Like people had something to say and expressing disappointment about him saying that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Speaker 70 And unfortunately, I would, I would remind those people, this is the Catholic Church.

Speaker 75 Like, it's kind of, that's, that's what, that's their modus operandi.

Speaker 176 It's their modus operandi.

Speaker 134 So it's, it's like, I don't know.

Speaker 126 Maybe I was more irritated at it being like a news item.

Speaker 60 Yeah. Here's my take on the headline.

Speaker 140 Here's my take on all major world religions, because I like to disrespect.

Speaker 173 I disrespect all religions equally.

Speaker 142 Yeah.

Speaker 151 Is I think a summit.

Speaker 112 We could have it. The three of us could call a summit.

Speaker 200 Let's do it.

Speaker 140 All the major world religions.

Speaker 184 We go, we'd like to talk about sexuality and gender.

Speaker 146 How do you feel about gay people? How do you feel about women?

Speaker 138 Yeah. Just like open, open forum.

Speaker 142 Let's talk about it.

Speaker 61 Make it reality.

Speaker 116 Put it on a fucking record.

Speaker 142 But if that's how you feel, put it on the record in front of all these people and we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 191 Because I think it's weird that we have this vague thing like, this is kind of homophobic.

Speaker 130 This is, you know, this is sexist.

Speaker 166 They don't let women be priests. They kind of do, but only sometimes.

Speaker 130 Sometimes in Europe, it's okay, whatever and i'm like no no no let's have a summit yeah let's all put it in the record

Speaker 178 and then put that on a one sheet you know what i mean put it on a google doc put it on a google doc and then have lead pr and idpr send that out yeah idpr get involved and get involved and send that out to conde nast and hurst yeah no because i'm sick of people who are religious of any religion yeah like no no we're all are our religions okay with women i'm like well i've heard some things yeah

Speaker 3 you know what i mean it's like we're okay with gay well if it's in face,

Speaker 96 I guess it's like if anyone did gymnastics, you know, enough, like, you could, you could justify anything.

Speaker 76 Like, I understand that people find, you know, a lot of peace and solace and, you know, community and these types of things, but it's like, let's just not pretend they're not what they are.

Speaker 104 Yeah, I mean, every religion is a structure of, is structured meaning.

Speaker 169 And then people like seek out meaning in religion.

Speaker 68 And then they just have to like reconcile how much of themselves is compatible with with like that meaning. I'm being so general, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 116 There actually is a good, there's a really good documentary about the Pope Francis who passed away called Pope Francis A Man of His Word.

Speaker 156 And it's interesting because he actually did like meet with a lot of different religious world leaders of other religions.

Speaker 145 And I do think that that is at the moment we're in in world history.

Speaker 122 Like I never talk about this shit, but like, no, no, no.

Speaker 203 But like, that's what we should do.

Speaker 140 I think the religion should be that because it's like they have more in, in common than not.

Speaker 142 Yeah.

Speaker 90 Yeah.

Speaker 167 It's like you look at all the religions that that are arguing with each other.

Speaker 120 It's like, no, no, no, you all believe the same kind of fake thing.

Speaker 90 Totally.

Speaker 176 Like, and no, no offense, like, maybe it's fake, maybe it's not.

Speaker 64 Who cares?

Speaker 218 But it's very similar.

Speaker 106 What you guys believe in is very similar.

Speaker 120 Right.

Speaker 106 Maybe we'll get on the same page about like human rights.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh.

Speaker 59 Uh-huh.

Speaker 64 I don't know, just an idea.

Speaker 178 With love and Mike for Biggalia and Lost Culture Reasons.

Speaker 134 We have to ask you the question of our podcast.

Speaker 186 We've sort of been dancing around it in several ways, I think. But Mike, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 63 Since I already covered my epiphany of auditioning for an impromptu,

Speaker 149 it's the movie Jerry Maguire.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow.

Speaker 152 Because when it came out, loved it.

Speaker 191 And it made me feel a thing.

Speaker 147 And then I went and studied screenwriting at Georgetown.

Speaker 147 My professor, John Glavin, taught it like it was a text.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 140 Like it was a book in a a class.

Speaker 62 We read the script.

Speaker 173 We watched the movie.

Speaker 266 We broke down the beats.

Speaker 91 And I started to understand, like, oh, this is not magic.

Speaker 192 And this is not just a popcorn movie.

Speaker 21 No.

Speaker 91 Like, that's the thing is, like, even Wicked is another example.

Speaker 191 It's like, it's a popcorn movie.

Speaker 147 A lot of people pop tickets to it, but it's really meaningful.

Speaker 61 Like, I cried during it.

Speaker 156 I cried during Jerry Maguire.

Speaker 173 Like, I take the stigma away from movies that are popular, but make you feel something.

Speaker 3 Like, that's a great feat.

Speaker 121 I'm so glad you said that.

Speaker 89 Yeah, he has, he has formative stuff.

Speaker 134 I have formative stuff with Jerry Maguire.

Speaker 80 One of the first movies we got from Blockbuster, I think.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 67 Way too young to be watching it.

Speaker 25 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 179 Because watching Tom Cruise fuck Kelly

Speaker 61 Preston's brain.

Speaker 150 Oh my God, yes.

Speaker 135 I was like, don't ever stop fucking me.

Speaker 59 Don't ever stop fucking me.

Speaker 226 And then, and then later, and then later, they're just like, post-Coordis eat, like, no, no, no.

Speaker 138 Like, she's like eating something.

Speaker 112 She's like eating strawberries. No, no, no.
She like discounts them.

Speaker 80 She goes, I'm gonna get some fruit.

Speaker 64 It's like a tight close-up, tight single on Kelly Preston.

Speaker 143 So crazy.

Speaker 190 Wait, yeah, but that movie made me

Speaker 167 kind of a perfect movie.

Speaker 131 A perfect movie.

Speaker 187 And in many ways, and also, you know what?

Speaker 75 I was just thinking so many elements come together to make it good.

Speaker 74 Like the song Secret Garden by Bruce McClure.

Speaker 3 My gosh.

Speaker 59 Fuck off. I know.
That song is. No, I know.

Speaker 59 Jesus.

Speaker 108 You're right.

Speaker 188 How about when on the radio, they would play that song with clips of dialogue from the movie.

Speaker 131 oh you had me at hello come on literally i would be listening to like whatever radio station 106.1 be li

Speaker 157 when i was younger and like they would play secret garden with renee doing it and they also did that for sometimes my heart will go on in titanium yes yes yeah there was certain movies they did this with and it was always always those like emotional peaks of the movie yeah that created lore yeah and this is a time too when i feel like soundtracking was speaking to movies in such a specific way you know what i mean like it would like i remember having like the city of angels soundtrack because yeah don't want to yeah

Speaker 60 you remember the image of her meg ryan riding the bike with her arms out like this it's like there was that you kind of need music to evoke you know like do they still do that i would still do barbie barbie was the most significant oh yes barbie did that i think oh that song's great so good so many of the songs were great but i was gonna say the last time that like like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm misremembering this, but I feel like with Starsborn, when they would play either Shallow or like Always Remember Us this way, they would cut in some bits from Starsborn.

Speaker 98 It was like there was a, you could listen to like the radio version of Shallow, or there was like a movie version.

Speaker 77 And you know what you're thinking of is at the end when it's I'll Never Fall.

Speaker 74 I'll never follow

Speaker 99 at the end, she's like singing the last chorus and then they'll cut to him doing it from the movie.

Speaker 157 Yeah. And that was

Speaker 106 what it is in the movie.

Speaker 131 She doesn't, because there's a version of that song where she literally just belts her tits off for the last remainder of it and it ends like one of those ballads does.

Speaker 99 But then the movie just literally cuts to him finishing the song and then it's back with her crying.

Speaker 60 Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 32 The other thing about Jerry McGuire is like it has a love story that's not perfect.

Speaker 3 Right. It's kind of beautiful.

Speaker 60 It is beautiful.

Speaker 142 Because you're just like, at the end, you go, well, maybe they shouldn't be together.

Speaker 121 I don't even know.

Speaker 112 Yeah.

Speaker 192 And you're like, that's kind of sweet.

Speaker 198 Like they're taking the leap together.

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Speaker 195 No one can resist a rule of culture.

Speaker 52 So here's one for the dating files.

Speaker 267 Rule of culture number 72.

Speaker 268 Chemistry isn't just vibes, it's values.

Speaker 29 Because what's the point of matching with someone if you can't talk about the shows you binge, the books you dog ear, or all the hot takes you'll defend at brunch?

Speaker 196 I mean you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble and it makes sense.

Speaker 254 It's not just about matching with someone, it's about finding someone who gets your references, your obsessions, your whole vibe.

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Speaker 207 Plus, with photo and ID verification, you can trust that the person you're talking to is real.

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Speaker 270 Download Bumble and start your love story.

Speaker 32 Who decides what you can do?

Speaker 235 Who gets to decide what you're capable of?

Speaker 144 Your boss? Your friends?

Speaker 215 Some stranger on the internet?

Speaker 271 No, no, and absolutely no. You decide.

Speaker 215 Only you.

Speaker 44 Ford shares that belief.

Speaker 272 It's like engineered into into their vehicles.

Speaker 273 An F-150 is all steel, sweat, and dreams.

Speaker 10 Right? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 274 A Ford Bronco is built for adventure, but you've got to get behind the wheel.

Speaker 215 Can you?

Speaker 18 Yeah, you can, but you have to first.

Speaker 273 You have to.

Speaker 275 And a Mustang, the Mustang that conquers curves.

Speaker 277 You are more capable than you know.

Speaker 37 Like, for example, I never thought I could parallel park.

Speaker 232 I just thought it wasn't something that was going to happen for me in my life.

Speaker 236 And not everyone gets to have every experience, you know?

Speaker 278 But then suddenly I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did Parallel Park.

Speaker 279 Sometimes you just need to push.

Speaker 225 What is it that they say?

Speaker 223 Whether you think you can or you think you can't?

Speaker 273 Ready, set

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Speaker 9 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset.

Speaker 11 Right?

Speaker 15 Exactly.

Speaker 199 Talk about the other kind of, unless it's hard to capture with language, like talk about the magic that you felt watching watching it growing up that like was dispelled once you got to college.

Speaker 136 The magic was

Speaker 120 I'm laughing.

Speaker 135 It's the thing that I try to achieve in my shows.

Speaker 120 It's like, I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm feeling emotions.

Speaker 122 And then somehow you just think because it's a quote unquote popular movie, popcorn movie, you're just like, well, that's not important.

Speaker 178 Oh, it's so important.

Speaker 60 I know.

Speaker 166 It drives me crazy

Speaker 184 when cultural things that are great are viewed as not important.

Speaker 174 Because snobs come in.

Speaker 138 Well, yeah.

Speaker 193 And you know, a great example of Wicked, the original Broadway production.

Speaker 116 People always say this.

Speaker 147 They're like, you know, it's been running for what, 20 years or whatever.

Speaker 198 It's like the first reviews were like snobby.

Speaker 201 They're like, it's not that good.

Speaker 190 And it's like, well, actually, let the audiences decide.

Speaker 136 Yeah. Yeah.
Because audiences are crushed by it.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 181 I am crushed at the production of Wicked.

Speaker 184 I'm just like crying.

Speaker 142 My wife and I were crying.

Speaker 140 And our, you know, our daughter was just like, great.

Speaker 100 You know what I mean? Like, I'll never forget that.

Speaker 157 She loved it.

Speaker 59 She loved it, but it's not like that.

Speaker 98 Well, also because not for nothing, but she doesn't understand.

Speaker 98 She's not old enough yet to understand maybe

Speaker 191 why it's like, I think that young girls obviously respond to that movie because of friendship and because of, you know,

Speaker 162 what it feels like to feel outcast or to accept someone and to really work hard on, you know, proving loyalty.

Speaker 131 And like that, all those things are really beautiful. And I think that's why young girls love it.

Speaker 74 But also like when I saw it with my parents, I took my dad and my mom into it.

Speaker 60 I saw it five times as well.

Speaker 2 Like a daughter.

Speaker 124 You know, bias aside, like I also fucking love the movie.

Speaker 100 Yeah.

Speaker 124 And I turned to my dad and I was like, well, it's about fascism.

Speaker 223 And he was like, and he just sat there and he was like,

Speaker 143 yeah, it is.

Speaker 87 And I think that that.

Speaker 89 is something that's like, oh, I love that. Also part of it for an adult man is it's like, wow, like this movie is literally about speaking truth to power and paying for it.

Speaker 101 She's just an example of someone who is not strong enough and is not willing to make the sacrifice.

Speaker 60 Right.

Speaker 23 But then she does in the end.

Speaker 112 She does in the end.

Speaker 100 But we're in specifically talking about that movement, that moment of defying gravity, it's like, I'm sorry. I cannot give up all the things that make me me to join you, even if I know it's right.

Speaker 212 Right.

Speaker 131 And that's, that she is in process because she's been so protected and privileged.

Speaker 3 And it's going to take a while and she's going to have to lose real stuff.

Speaker 128 Yes.

Speaker 89 Spoiler alert for act two for her to do those things.

Speaker 191 And even then, she doesn't really do it publicly.

Speaker 3 Puddle of course.

Speaker 128 So it's that is complicated shit for an adult.

Speaker 60 And it's, it is very moving.

Speaker 166 And it's, and it's not.

Speaker 147 And by the way, it's not dissimilar to the thing I'm saying.

Speaker 154 It connects me with Jerry Maguire, the imperfection.

Speaker 143 Yes.

Speaker 168 The drawing out of the imperfection of just being alive.

Speaker 60 Right.

Speaker 146 And how nothing is cut and dry.

Speaker 92 And Tom Cruise has never looked better.

Speaker 134 Never looked better.

Speaker 265 Also, yeah. I mean, here's what I'll say.

Speaker 3 Fucking Renee.

Speaker 59 Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 Renee is.

Speaker 113 Unbelievable. I think Renee is the reason why it's like

Speaker 98 not even just because of her line deliveries, which are spectacular. It's just, it's an example of...

Speaker 162 Perfect casting.

Speaker 198 Yeah.

Speaker 198 The first kiss thing, and he's like snaps her bra by accident.

Speaker 149 Yeah.

Speaker 198 He laughs in this charming Tom Cruise way.

Speaker 51 Yeah.

Speaker 104 I'm going to watch that tonight.

Speaker 65 It's perfect.

Speaker 6 You've really enjoyed it.

Speaker 136 Jenny and I have, my wife and I, Jen's a poet, and we both have this obsessive thing with movies, which is great movies are like songs.

Speaker 173 You just watch, you can watch them over and over again, and there's something peaceful about it.

Speaker 94 Yeah. It changes your parameters as you're consuming this.

Speaker 119 Yeah.

Speaker 64 Thelma and Louise.

Speaker 3 It's not Lost Time I'm wearing Thelma Louise shirt that I got at Vinter.

Speaker 132 This is my favorite movie, Thelma and Louise.

Speaker 162 And it's the same thing. Same thing.

Speaker 82 It's this, it's, it's, and also there's this, which they don't do in movies that much anymore, where they'll end it on a real curveball that's like, yeah, makes it art.

Speaker 87 Like, I feel like there's something non-traditional and weird about her stopping him in the middle of his sentence to be like, stop doing the proclamation.

Speaker 214 You had me at hello.

Speaker 234 Right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 163 And also, like you said, maybe they shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 96 Like their relationship's been a little toxic.

Speaker 131 But it's like, but they're going to try anyway.

Speaker 134 And in this movie, Thelma and Louise, obviously spoilers, but if you're listening to this podcast, you probably understand they choose to die.

Speaker 64 They would rather drive off a cliff together than get caught.

Speaker 131 And so I remember when the movie punk rock.

Speaker 162 It's punk.

Speaker 89 It is.

Speaker 77 And also, it's just, it's not, it's clearly ignoring what I'm sure our studio knows.

Speaker 204 100%.

Speaker 64 And by the way, they probably shot it both ways.

Speaker 218 They probably shot it without them going off the cliff.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 78 That's a good question.

Speaker 134 We should find that out.

Speaker 107 Yeah.

Speaker 131 But, you know, this is making me realize is like, you're saying, like what's the epiphany thing for me in culture the other one was maybe say anything which is another cameron crow movie because i saw say anything when i was a kid and i remember quoting it yeah with michael kavanaugh my best friend like back and forth and doing the this you know the boom box in the air yep and we were like 10.

Speaker 60 yeah i mean cameron crow was i'm gonna come up here and say elizabeth town underrated movie i love elizabeth can i say i love this i love that i think it's so i think elizabeth town's great i think almost famous is fantastic of course of course that's that's just that's really that's quite a good and also he wrote uh fast times oh he did he wrote didn't direct it oh god i gotta go and i think fast times is classic classic there's something oh wasn't fast times amy heckerling i think she directed it yeah

Speaker 103 there you go yeah so that all these movies it's like there's stuff about them that bone uses this wonderful word serrates them that makes them memorable like a little bit just literally just referencing the Andres, you know what I mean?

Speaker 158 Just like a little bit askew.

Speaker 23 Totally. Slightly off.

Speaker 3 No, completely.

Speaker 98 Like, even, like, for example, like, even in Clueless, like

Speaker 89 you watch that movie and you see the way they're dressed and you think, oh, the early 90s.

Speaker 163 No, they were dressed like badly and stupidly, even for that time.

Speaker 188 But, but, but it's like, it's like, that's not how they dressed at Beverly Hills High School, I don't think.

Speaker 113 But, like, but it's, it's overdrawn and makes you remember.

Speaker 100 You'll you'll never forget seeing her in that yellow

Speaker 123 it wasn't Vivian West, but it couldn't have failed.

Speaker 112 But it feels like it might have.

Speaker 134 It feels like it speaks in that world.

Speaker 107 I can't say what designer it was.

Speaker 216 But there's this stuff that you go out of your way.

Speaker 132 You have to go out of your way to make it memorable and iconic.

Speaker 89 This, the say anything thing,

Speaker 61 it's like, who holds a box like that doesn't move?

Speaker 163 No one, but it made it iconic.

Speaker 60 Drama. That's so good.

Speaker 190 It's crazy.

Speaker 177 And then the other ones, I mean, like, I'm obsessed with that whole 70s, 80s movies, E.T.

Speaker 89 is like that.

Speaker 140 Just like I could watch it over and over again.

Speaker 204 It's super emotional. You watch E.T.

Speaker 168 now, it's like it's an indie film.

Speaker 90 Right. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 It was like the biggest blockbuster.

Speaker 143 Jaws feels like an indie film.

Speaker 112 Oh, Jaws is, it's unbelievable that that's as huge of a blockbuster as it is because of how slow moving it is.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 170 There's this great story about the

Speaker 156 director who

Speaker 184 did Paper Moon, Bogdanovich.

Speaker 148 Peter Boganovich

Speaker 200 runs into Spielberg at like the Boston, like Logan airport.

Speaker 184 And Spielberg had just shot

Speaker 147 on Martha's Vineyard and shot Jaws. And he's like, how did it go?

Speaker 198 And he was just like, there's a shark.

Speaker 184 It's a disaster.

Speaker 173 We don't have the movie.

Speaker 173 It's just like one of those funny stories where like, they leave the movie set thinking they don't have it.

Speaker 111 Yeah, right, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 163 They were like, well, this was a huge catastrophe.

Speaker 147 And And I think they found it a lot in post.

Speaker 74 In editing.

Speaker 68 And then it changed the movie industry.

Speaker 190 Yeah. I mean, we had that with Don't Think Twice to some degree.

Speaker 175 You know, there's that speech where Chris Gathering goes, I think your 20s are about hope and your 30s are about realizing how dumb it was to hope.

Speaker 198 We added that in post because.

Speaker 135 Ira Glass, one of our producers, we were watching the movie and he goes, the audience doesn't get when we show cuts to people, they don't get that they know they're losers or they're, they know they're underdogs.

Speaker 121 The characters do.

Speaker 184 The characters know their underdogs.

Speaker 151 And so we would have a, we showed it, we did a screening at NPR downtown and these two, this, these two ladies got up and they were like, I, it was a feedback screening in the early cut.

Speaker 120 And they go, we don't like it.

Speaker 172 And we go, why don't you like it? Ira goes, why don't you like it?

Speaker 91 They're losing.

Speaker 198 And what was so funny, we went back to the edit and we're like, they're losers, they're losers.

Speaker 64 But like,

Speaker 151 how come we think it's funny that they're losers, but they know it.

Speaker 146 And it's like, oh, we haven't haven't the characters haven't acknowledged it they know what they are yeah and so we're like what if we shot a scene where they're packing up and they're moving out of the theater and chris gethard goes your 20s are about hope and your 30s are about realizing how dumb it was to hope change the whole screening everybody's like isn't great yeah but also such a smart way to convey all of that that's a lot to communicate and you did it all in that one in that one scene Thanks.

Speaker 91 It's a funny thing.

Speaker 193 Like even writing my movie right now that I'm writing, it's like, you really have to toe the line between how much do the characters get what's funny about them

Speaker 178 that's a really interesting idea yeah yeah because like Gilmore Girls is like that super witty right like they're in on it

Speaker 95 but they're almost not exactly they like they they know that they're codependent or whatever but yeah and yet to what extent yes or something it's like a really interesting um thing that you bring up that these women were like, we don't like the movie because they're losers.

Speaker 96 Because I actually think one of the things about Don't Think Twice that shook me to my core so much when I watched it.

Speaker 74 And now I see it, I see it now looking back and I fucking love the movie and appreciate it in a way I didn't at the time because I felt so defensive.

Speaker 102 Because I think your movie, Don't Think Twice, it really makes you think about yourself.

Speaker 86 Especially if you were doing comedy in that time. Yeah.

Speaker 25 Doing improv. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 128 Like I just remember thinking like,

Speaker 113 this is a mean depiction of our community.

Speaker 54 And I couldn't believe that your character, I'm going to use an explicit word that upsets people but your character calls tammy sager's character a cunt and i remember i was just like i can't believe but now i think that that was such a brave bold thing to to do weirdly enough because it really showed

Speaker 202 ugliness and envy and in like a very abject painful personal way yeah and i'm not saying that like anyone that we knew or even us went as far or as you know shallow as any of this i'm just saying that like it's an incredibly intense situation that you're depicting because it's kind of like being a kid and not knowing that the world is bigger when you are confronted with what you assume is the only job in the world for you and it doesn't go that well it's about everything else everything else breaks down yeah and friendship's so intense like when i was writing that movie i was hosting a q a with noah bomb back

Speaker 142 for the movie while we're young i think it was or maybe he was fans as high i forget.

Speaker 149 And I said to him, I go, I'm writing this movie about an improv group and they're best friends.

Speaker 153 And one of them gets on SNL and the rest of them don't.

Speaker 147 And I go, but the people giving me notes are like, the stakes aren't high enough.

Speaker 59 What are they talking about?

Speaker 3 Talking to him.

Speaker 178 He goes, and that was the funny thing because it's depicted, you know, indicative of all of his movies.

Speaker 193 He goes, there's no stakes higher than friendship.

Speaker 51 Yeah. Wow, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 110 That's great.

Speaker 112 Yeah.

Speaker 74 As we just sit here and say the word yeah 50 times.

Speaker 189 But it's, I want this to be our engagement of a deeper friendship between the three of us, yes, because I feel like whenever I see you guys, whenever we run into each other, it's like I think there's love,

Speaker 136 there is love, but I'm like, we should spend more time together.

Speaker 77 Well, you are, you are good with the gays, oh, yeah, love the gays, you know, he is old friends with Jordan Ardino, really?

Speaker 3 You know, for Gilmore girls, yeah,

Speaker 3 closest high school and college friends, yeah, really, wait, Massachusetts, yeah, Jordan, California, California to Massachusetts, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 62 Jordan's amazing.

Speaker 33 Jordan's a great writer. He's a great writer.

Speaker 59 He's a great writer.

Speaker 149 Yeah.

Speaker 147 He and I were in that same screenwriting class in college.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 106 We were close friends in high school.

Speaker 147 And then he came to visit me when I was in college. He was at Tufts, and then he was just like, I just want to go here.
Yeah.

Speaker 164 And so he transferred.

Speaker 61 We went to college together.

Speaker 63 Yeah.

Speaker 214 Well, we wanted to go to Georgetown.

Speaker 123 That's a lot of not hugs.

Speaker 59 That's a lot of not hugs.

Speaker 4 That's a real question.

Speaker 59 I don't want to go to Georgetown. That's a lot of knot hugs.

Speaker 3 I would say you...

Speaker 130 I don't want to speak for Jordan, but I think I can say

Speaker 59 that. He'll chime in.

Speaker 72 He'll chime in.

Speaker 178 It's a lot of not hugs.

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Speaker 272 It's like engineered into their vehicles.

Speaker 122 Yeah, you can.

Speaker 18 But you have to first.

Speaker 275 And a Mustang?

Speaker 276 The Mustang that conquers curves.

Speaker 278 But then, suddenly, I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.

Speaker 223 Whether you think you can or you think you can't?

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Speaker 122 Ford.

Speaker 5 Visit forward.com to learn You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

Speaker 11 Right?

Speaker 15 Exactly.

Speaker 61 You and I both. Well, we don't have to bring NYU with us.

Speaker 179 Another thing.

Speaker 116 I don't want to talk about NYU necessarily.

Speaker 112 I was going to say, you and I both.

Speaker 69 You and I, you and I got very different amounts of hugs growing up, I would say.

Speaker 265 Well,

Speaker 113 it's funny that.

Speaker 60 We both ended up at the same school.

Speaker 33 At the same school.

Speaker 106 Yeah.

Speaker 157 NYU was different, but I think we were both there for different traumas.

Speaker 106 That's right.

Speaker 74 Not related to hugging or not hugging.

Speaker 70 But I think that something that's... so clear is like it's good that you hug your daughter a lot and i don't want you to think about that

Speaker 212 because i think what you're doing is you're teaching her what real love is right and a lot of people have and something i don't think i understand because i'm privileged to genuinely know what real love is because my parents have always shown me real love and have always been very good with me in terms of that is a lot of people just don't baseline know that

Speaker 87 they don't baseline know what it really is to be cared for and to have someone at the end of the day that's going to say i love you yeah and i think that I didn't realize that was such a privilege.

Speaker 60 Yeah, it's crucial.

Speaker 187 Like until until I was, you know, having like conflicts with people later in life or, you know, things work out, don't work out, whatever with different people.

Speaker 74 And you're just realizing, oh, I'm operating with a different emotional deck.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 124 And thank God.

Speaker 190 No, you're right.

Speaker 142 It's funny when you, yeah, if you get into like a petty disagreement with somebody and sometimes they go so hard on it and you, and you have to step back and just be like, no, no, no, we're all just doing our best.

Speaker 136 Right.

Speaker 152 You know, but yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 Like, it's, yeah, no, it's definitely more, better to love more than less.

Speaker 148 Right.

Speaker 67 And even in the moments in the special, I'll say, where you're like, a huge part of my life is going to children's birthday parties, like 200 to 300 a minute.

Speaker 60 It's like, Una can grow up and hear that and think, oh, like my dad is making, is like exasperated by this thing that he had to do for me.

Speaker 80 And he's like, Is that something resentful?

Speaker 182 But no, even in that, you're like, I do this thing, I show up for my daughter.

Speaker 116 Right.

Speaker 73 And it's this thing that I can joke about hating because it'll make this room full of people and adults laugh.

Speaker 119 Yeah. But she can, I think it is so clear what that message is to her, which is, my dad loves me.

Speaker 94 He takes me to these birthday parties.

Speaker 60 Yeah,

Speaker 165 I had to talk through a joke with her the other day that was in the special because it's going to be seen by a lot of people.

Speaker 146 And, you know, I had to be like, because there's this joke where I say, she doesn't have it.

Speaker 64 Explain that. Explain that to them.

Speaker 3 Because I remember listening to it, I was like, oh, that's a, that's a, that's a pretty rough joke for my daughter.

Speaker 193 So I said to her, I go, there's this joke.

Speaker 146 And I say, we went, my wife and I went to our daughter's ballet recital and we're in the audience crying and crying because she doesn't have it.

Speaker 61 You know,

Speaker 176 and then I go, no, we're crying because she's not going to have to go thousands of dollars on the lessons and hundreds of hours going to the rehearsal and she's not going prop.

Speaker 33 And then I go, I go, no, no, no, we're crying for the right reasons.

Speaker 266 And then afterwards, I'm squeezing her.

Speaker 157 I go, Una, you are so fantastic.

Speaker 280 And she said to me, It's true to life.

Speaker 175 She goes, Dad, you would say I was fantastic, even if I wasn't fantastic.

Speaker 193 And I said, That is so true. You are so much better at logic than you are at ballet.

Speaker 61 Right.

Speaker 138 I go, I didn't, I left out that last part.

Speaker 147 I'm going to say that to when she's 15, and she tells me I'm garbage.

Speaker 147 And I'm going to say, I had some candid thoughts about you as well when you were seven that I withheld out of respect, but I did share with a group of strangers at the Beacon Theater.

Speaker 176 But I explained it to Una in relation to,

Speaker 170 I go, sometimes jokes are something that is true, and then something that is the opposite of true or completely not true or a variation on true.

Speaker 168 And the show, the special that I wrote is a series of things where it's like, true, not true, true, not true, true, silly, true, silly.

Speaker 175 And then at the end of the movie, or at the end, I have sometimes I call my show movies.

Speaker 140 At the end of the show, it lands on true.

Speaker 149 And because it lands on true, I think the audience knows, oh, okay, this person's in earnest.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 26 And the true thing about this special is the way a parent loves their child.

Speaker 60 Yes.

Speaker 151 Yeah.

Speaker 171 And understanding my dad after he's had a stroke and realizing when his defenses are down and he doesn't have the anger that he had before the stroke, that

Speaker 135 I do think like he meant well.

Speaker 191 That is.

Speaker 60 a whole can of worms.

Speaker 79 Especially because, you know, men, as they get older and the estrogen creep up, you know what I mean?

Speaker 76 Like it's, they get more emotional.

Speaker 74 I think they get more contemplative. And I think it's just harder for men to look back on

Speaker 83 being men.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 90 Like, because so much of it is just not cruel, but it's rough and it's speaking to this idea of what a man is, which can never really.

Speaker 96 be justified in the way that we accepted it for such a long time.

Speaker 236 But I think that's really hard for men as they get older as they look back and they, they have regrets about

Speaker 123 trying to attain that idea of what it means to be a man.

Speaker 60 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 160 And all those things.

Speaker 77 And I've had a couple emotional conversations with my dad about, you know, one time it was after we taped my special and he was expressing, I think we had had a few drinks and he was expressing some regrets about, you know, whatever, like having, like having a gay son and not feeling like he didn't get it right.

Speaker 60 And I had to like tell him, I was like, you got to let yourself off the hook because nothing you ever did was because you didn't love me.

Speaker 82 You were trying your best.

Speaker 124 That's beautiful.

Speaker 208 And like, and it is a moment that I think I'm, I'm obviously very happy I had and I, and I will have, can continue to have because of that moment.

Speaker 158 Yeah.

Speaker 124 But it's really hard, like men relating to each other in that type of way.

Speaker 96 That's why I think it's so beautiful that like, you have that like.

Speaker 208 open channel with your with your child because it's like it takes some people a really long time.

Speaker 158 And I always heard I love you from my dad. I always heard proud of you, always heard those things, but it's just, it's just interesting.

Speaker 103 Like

Speaker 103 as men get older, like it can be uncomfortable to have those types of conversations.

Speaker 106 Like even just when you put your hand on his shoulder and rub his shoulder, like that probably took a lot.

Speaker 208 Took a lot. Yeah, but those are really,

Speaker 99 those are so important because what if you because what if you didn't?

Speaker 122 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 173 We talked about that when you were on my podcast a lot with your parents because you had the challenging stuff with you, which I really hope you should do a solo show someday.

Speaker 60 We'll see.

Speaker 143 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think there's something there.

Speaker 185 There's, there's definitely, I mean, I did even do

Speaker 107 it underground.

Speaker 94 So, such a jumbled mess of a show. I don't even know what I was trying to do with it.

Speaker 67 But

Speaker 179 there's something there for sure.

Speaker 121 Yeah.

Speaker 182 I just am still making sense of it.

Speaker 195 And we're still talking about it as a family.

Speaker 240 And

Speaker 195 it's all, it's all okay.

Speaker 60 It's all, it's all true.

Speaker 141 Do they say I'm proud of you?

Speaker 68 Now they do. Do they?

Speaker 221 Now they do, but it took them a while.

Speaker 67 And they came to the show a few weeks ago and

Speaker 93 just, I took them out for Mother's Day.

Speaker 23 We have a lovely time now.

Speaker 77 I also want to say your show was not a mess.

Speaker 131 You were just, it was not a mess.

Speaker 162 You were just in process on, you were so in process in the feelings.

Speaker 75 It's kind of like what we were saying last week about like Marsha P.

Speaker 90 Johnson not having correct recollection of stonewall because she was stonewall it's like you were literally going i was that pit you were the i was the pit underburger you were all those experiences and emotions at the time so it's of course you weren't going to create like you know what especially you with a high bar for yourself feels like cohesive salient art about this thing that you were like enduring that was me squarely in the zone of what Ira Glass talks about, which is there's that gap between

Speaker 68 like the taste that you have and like what you can accomplish as someone who makes things.

Speaker 184 And so, anyway, when I remember doing a completely messy version of Sleepwalk With Me, my first solo show, which eventually years later was on off Broadway, and Nathan Lane presented it, and it was just a really beautiful thing that I was lucky enough to do.

Speaker 140 I made the movie and I remade the movie, and it was, it was, but the first versions of it at UCB were so rough because it was like me just being like, here, here's this breakup I had, and like, like the emotions are so raw, and I've been sleepwalking, and it's a metaphor for this.

Speaker 140 Like, I was so on the nose.

Speaker 175 And then I remember, like, um, the artistic director at the time pulled me aside, and he was like, Hey, um,

Speaker 168 I think you should see Dimitri Martin's show.

Speaker 140 Like, you should do more, like, jokes.

Speaker 138 Was this Anthony King who was this?

Speaker 138 I can say he's a great guy, Owen Burke.

Speaker 130 And I feel like we've talked about it since then.

Speaker 3 He's like, you figured it out.

Speaker 154 Yeah.

Speaker 266 But it was funny, like, sometimes when you're in the wilderness artistically, like, it's not because you're not going at the right thing.

Speaker 143 No.

Speaker 106 Like, I was going at, like, I want to make an emotional show, but also I hadn't figured out the joke side of it.

Speaker 147 I haven't figured to your nice thing you were saying about my shows, how it's like.

Speaker 140 silences and then jokes and then serious moments and then jokes.

Speaker 116 I was like, I hadn't figured that out yet.

Speaker 87 Sure. It's, it's just, I'm also like, I'm really feeling very seen by you talking about like, and like true, false, true, false, true, false.

Speaker 162 And then it ends on a a false or a true like my special the one I've done ends on a false and I think it's and I'm so happy about it yeah that being said like I do think that that's one extension of myself and I want so badly to say something real and true about myself yeah but it's the hardest thing to do I think that's why you had strife with it all those years ago like doing that because you were deeply trying to say something true about yourself which is fucking hard, especially when you're at like a comedy festival, but yet also tasked tasked with like this thing of like, this is a solo show and opportunity that you're being given.

Speaker 74 Right. And it's like, I think we all want to be poignant, but it doesn't always happen.

Speaker 103 Right.

Speaker 79 But if there's a question here that I'm saying is it's like, how uncomfortable is your process?

Speaker 142 Very uncomfortable.

Speaker 189 Yeah.

Speaker 146 Like, like every step of the way, like some nights I'm on stage and I'm like, like, there's that moment in the show where I go, I didn't have a sex talk when I was a kid, but when I was 12, I had hard nipples.

Speaker 180 Yeah.

Speaker 98 And suddenly you're exposed out there with with your hard nipples again.

Speaker 183 Yeah, and then I go, exactly.

Speaker 176 Right.

Speaker 193 And so I go, I tell my dad, because I thought I was a hypochondriac as a kid.

Speaker 280 And so I told my dad, like, I think I have cancer.

Speaker 175 Right.

Speaker 198 He's like, take your shirt off.

Speaker 106 We're in like my living room.

Speaker 4 It's like a true, completely true story.

Speaker 150 What's weird?

Speaker 183 Actually, I'll tell you the variation.

Speaker 193 I'll tell you the variation on it.

Speaker 165 It's like, I had to take this part out.

Speaker 148 It wasn't in the living room.

Speaker 152 It was in his bedroom.

Speaker 174 But it was so weird because the audience was reading. It's like, oh, we've got to get fucking molested in the scenes.

Speaker 78 You had to walk them away from that.

Speaker 106 Right.

Speaker 147 I got, so he was like, take your shirt off in the living room, take my shirt off. And he felt my hard, hard nipples.

Speaker 153 And I got, and I go, and it was nice.

Speaker 178 You know, I go, there wasn't a lot of physical affection in the family.

Speaker 162 But you were being reassured by a doctor and your father.

Speaker 142 So the first few times, exactly, the first few times I said it, first fucking 40 times I said it, I was just like, this is so uncomfortable.

Speaker 122 Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 152 And I even had people like in my inner circle creatively be like, take out the nipples part.

Speaker 69 Because you do get that sometimes where even people who are close to what your process is are like, i think the audience is not here for that but then you got sometimes you just gotta be like no this is like this has happened yes fully happened and it's like part of the story i'm telling but what you're saying with like sleepwalk with me like you were you were in the wilderness it's like well process in general for anybody is just it's in the wilderness yeah yeah the movie i'm writing right now i'm in the wilderness great yeah it's all part of it yeah i think something too and i think i i often when we have like music artists in this chair too this question comes up and also with even reality stars or anyone that's like exposing the part of themselves, which is obviously anyone in that chair probably is.

Speaker 76 I don't think I ever really understood the stakes of what happens when you involve a depiction of someone else in your life, in your work.

Speaker 70 And that is what trips me up sometimes.

Speaker 87 It is really hard for me to think, if I say this thing about myself, I'm saying this thing about someone else.

Speaker 100 No, I know.

Speaker 117 And I feel like that's unfortunately, if you're someone that wants to create work and art, like

Speaker 209 it's probably the ugly stuff.

Speaker 223 Like, and that's not just ugly stuff about you.

Speaker 3 It's ugly stuff about people you probably care about or don't ever want to talk to again.

Speaker 98 So it's like, it's never someone in the middle.

Speaker 131 It's either like, I either really care about this person and therefore they're worthwhile including, or this person has hurt me and it has

Speaker 142 even fictional is that.

Speaker 153 Like I had people in my life come up to me and be like,

Speaker 175 I'm the character and don't think twice, who's the rich girl.

Speaker 3 And you were like, Yeah.

Speaker 142 No, I was like, No, you're the Gillian.

Speaker 178 Sometimes they wrong, they're wrong.

Speaker 150 Sometimes they guess wrong.

Speaker 59 That's humiliating, too.

Speaker 190 My parents saw Sleepwalk With Me, the movie.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 218 And Carol Cain and James Rebhorn, as my parents, say these lines that literally my parents said in real life. And my, and I was worried about my parents seeing it.

Speaker 153 And they came out of the movie and they go, they're nothing like us.

Speaker 151 Somehow, like we can't even see ourselves.

Speaker 77 Well, yeah, you never can.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 111 Only you have the real bibliography on your experiences with them because you saw it.

Speaker 264 They didn't see it.

Speaker 3 They were it.

Speaker 65 Right. Right.

Speaker 68 But either, like, someone comes up to you and like.

Speaker 119 validates or like, I don't know, like entrenches those things even more where you're like, oh, I like had, it was a huge decision to include you in some way in this like depiction of reality.

Speaker 67 Or it's your parents being like,

Speaker 50 that was enough.

Speaker 80 It's like, it's, it's, it's, like, you can't really even win with that.

Speaker 129 It never goes the way you want it to.

Speaker 121 You guys have a lucky thing, I think, which is

Speaker 154 you're close friends and you have like a creative partnership with this show, which I think is so lovely because you get to share that people.

Speaker 145 Like, I love the show.

Speaker 172 Like, everyone, like, I know tons of people love this show.

Speaker 121 It's like, you guys get that together, which I think is not less lonely, I think.

Speaker 60 We're very fortunate.

Speaker 151 Than being a lone wolf.

Speaker 60 I couldn't do it.

Speaker 61 Really? I couldn't do it alone.

Speaker 107 What do you mean?

Speaker 169 Like, like uh i couldn't hope i couldn't like have my own podcast where i was just kind of riffing on culture and then like commenting on things and then like like i like you're always my gut check in terms of like do i share this little anecdote yeah it is it's it's kind of nice to like um

Speaker 70 it it it it's it's really interesting because

Speaker 98 Because we're also so close, like that we, we have this, we protect the same things pretty much, but also like in terms of like the sharing of it all, like, you know what i mean like it's also like you can never i we can never give everything about like

Speaker 90 about everything yeah but you know what i'm saying because it's like it's that's i think that's like why they don't think twice of it all it just recalls such a specific era yes that like it it it's it's drama yeah totally of course it is um but i think that's why i love it now meanwhile like i wanted to live your life like i when i was at georgetown i was like saying to my parents i want to transfer to nyu and be a theater kid.

Speaker 60 And they're like, no.

Speaker 3 You know what?

Speaker 106 I got a full no.

Speaker 118 You got a full no. Well, good.

Speaker 72 I mean, I know, it's good.

Speaker 131 Everyone wanted to be someone else in that.

Speaker 60 Exactly.

Speaker 78 It still does.

Speaker 78 Literally.

Speaker 3 It still does.

Speaker 74 But I remember I was in school at NYU and I wanted to be doing something else in the school.

Speaker 98 Everyone's always like, I'm sure you.

Speaker 78 I was pre-med.

Speaker 118 But I was doing improv.

Speaker 196 You know what I mean? Like, I wanted to be something else.

Speaker 182 You're not entirely.

Speaker 157 I knew that. You talked about that, of course.

Speaker 112 When I was a kid, I wanted to be, like, I would, I would be like, I want to go to Boston and audition for commercials. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, fuck no.

Speaker 205 You dream of going to Boston to audition for commercials. What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 206 To aspire to commercial auditioning is such a

Speaker 206 tell that you don't know what the fuck it is.

Speaker 128 It's like he looks at the camera and half smirks.

Speaker 3 It's like, that's the audition.

Speaker 179 I would just go into rooms and do Biton smiles. Exactly.

Speaker 108 Yeah.

Speaker 189 Bite and smile.

Speaker 3 Have you ever done a Biton smile?

Speaker 142 No, never done one.

Speaker 106 Oh, we've had to do a Biton smile.

Speaker 112 You want to see a sip and smile?

Speaker 97 And that was probably too big.

Speaker 143 It's a skill to be noted.

Speaker 64 Is that it?

Speaker 139 That was something else.

Speaker 108 Okay, okay.

Speaker 61 Mike Brabbit.

Speaker 3 I feel like Duncan Zona.

Speaker 3 Did you ever book a commercial?

Speaker 120 I'm trying to think.

Speaker 147 I think I was a spokesperson for like a cable and internet company in the South for a while.

Speaker 59 That's cool.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're not. I don't love it.

Speaker 61 I don't love it.

Speaker 59 I don't love it.

Speaker 183 I kind of wish it didn't.

Speaker 62 That one.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 60 It's fine. Did you ever do straight-up commercials?

Speaker 229 I never did a straight-up commercial.

Speaker 119 No.

Speaker 105 I went to one commercial audition because like someone at UCB was like, yeah, I'm going.

Speaker 92 I'm going on this thing if you want to come.

Speaker 67 And it was so humiliating.

Speaker 214 It was really impossible to leave feeling good.

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Speaker 233 What?

Speaker 196 I mean, you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble, and it makes sense.

Speaker 239 So whether your rule of culture is the best first date, start with the shared hot take on renaissance or compatibility is having the same hometown bodega order, download Bumble and turn those connections into something bigger.

Speaker 272 It's like engineered into their vehicles.

Speaker 122 Yeah, you can.

Speaker 18 But you have to first.

Speaker 275 And a Mustang?

Speaker 276 The Mustang that conquers curves.

Speaker 278 But then, suddenly, I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.

Speaker 223 Whether you think you can or you think you can't.

Speaker 273 Ready, set,

Speaker 122 Ford.

Speaker 11 Right?

Speaker 15 Exactly.

Speaker 152 And you've become straight.

Speaker 196 And I become straight.

Speaker 72 And I never thought that would happen.

Speaker 146 Jordan Nardino texted me last night, just crying, laughing at the vote and straight.

Speaker 106 It's the only one I can barely watch.

Speaker 209 For some reason, when I watch him make out with women,

Speaker 3 I have an outrage. Why are you outraged?

Speaker 134 I don't like it. I want you.

Speaker 147 The thing that gets me is

Speaker 170 her showing up at your place and you're playing video games at two in the morning.

Speaker 140 It's so fucking good.

Speaker 3 Well, by the way, that's him.

Speaker 109 And then Heidi in the Lost Cool Teresa shirt.

Speaker 90 And honestly,

Speaker 265 it is my favorite sketch because it's clearly, it's like it realistically.

Speaker 131 But it's just like we were watching it.

Speaker 75 We were in his dressing room for the finale and you were watching it with us in the room.

Speaker 95 I wanted to surprise Matt with the Lost Cold Terista shirt. I wanted to see it.

Speaker 90 It's so fun.

Speaker 128 And then he comes in making out with...

Speaker 204 Sorry, Chex notes, Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 268 And I just go, ah, like I scream like it's a horror movie. I'm like, I I can't believe it.

Speaker 98 Like, maybe it's because Culture's going to have a 2025 because it's Lost Culture Awards, too.

Speaker 60 That's right.

Speaker 184 So it's in that sketch.

Speaker 165 It's Lost Culture Awards.

Speaker 108 It's going to be huge.

Speaker 107 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 74 we're putting it together now, and it's going to be something.

Speaker 184 It is. Yeah.
Lost Culture uses awards.

Speaker 3 I'm going to campaign.

Speaker 59 What can I do?

Speaker 149 What can I do to campaign?

Speaker 138 Do you guys have a strategy?

Speaker 142 Can you strategize with me?

Speaker 78 We can strategize with you. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 150 What are we going to do as step one?

Speaker 25 Best dad Award.

Speaker 109 Oh, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 104 I'm just brainstorming category.

Speaker 83 Daddy Award.

Speaker 205 Well, there's a daddy awarded.

Speaker 60 There's a daddy awarded father award. Oh, okay.

Speaker 131 And the daddy award was won by Pedro Pascal.

Speaker 60 Wow. And the father award was,

Speaker 83 who won the father award last year?

Speaker 210 Anyway, it wasn't Seth Meyers. It wasn't John.

Speaker 182 I don't think you have to campaign necessarily.

Speaker 179 I think you being on this episode is a campaign.

Speaker 33 This is big.

Speaker 95 You're absolutely top of mind with the special and with the listeners being like Mike Bruce.

Speaker 83 And then you're in the mix.

Speaker 82 I just feel like this was an amazing six straight man to have

Speaker 90 absolutely this is this

Speaker 60 straight male guest six straight mail guest huge it's an honor it's a deep honor it's six or eight it's six or seven

Speaker 67 it's not eight yeah it's not eight it's six or seven and we're not listening we don't want to make a big thing out of this but um but it's a big deal

Speaker 3 do gays do you feel like gays come up to you on the street yeah they're like hey girl i think i get a lot of gays My gay guy impression.

Speaker 138 I think, like,

Speaker 155 the thing that's hilarious about my audience is sometimes when people come up to me,

Speaker 193 and it's like, it's like some pear-shaped middle-aged ogre dad who's just like, I totally relate to everything you say.

Speaker 59 Come on.

Speaker 59 I want the dad. I want the dad.

Speaker 193 I know, but sometimes, wouldn't it be great if someone came up to you and they're so hot and they're like, I totally relate to everything you say.

Speaker 147 It's just like my Pilates class.

Speaker 112 That's why we have the Kyles now.

Speaker 108 That's why we have the Kyles.

Speaker 74 We have a new subsect of a fan community called the Kyles.

Speaker 77 And sometimes a Kyle will come up and I just can't believe that they almost dropped their weight to the gym.

Speaker 123 They laughed so hard, which is what they say.

Speaker 83 That's what they say sometimes. That's nice.

Speaker 26 You should come up with your own buckets of your fans.

Speaker 94 Like really visualize the person, give them a name, and then you will start to see them.

Speaker 191 But you know what it is? It is Katie.

Speaker 74 You have a ton of Katie's.

Speaker 60 Yes.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 209 Katie's is 28-year-old, 28 to 35-year-old communications major from the Midwest, named Katie.

Speaker 74 They're all named Katie. Okay.

Speaker 3 Start asking them their names for that.

Speaker 193 The thing I'm most proud of with my audience is: I always say, like, it's age 12 through 112.

Speaker 109 Like, when I see the spectrum, that's beautiful.

Speaker 143 I was going to say, you are really for a quadrant, whereas we are people who are constantly approached by men and go, my girlfriend loves you.

Speaker 68 Which is so sweet, but also it's never like, I'm a fan, which is okay.

Speaker 166 You know what, though?

Speaker 98 A lot of them I've been noticing because they're excited to initiate the conversation because their girlfriends are nervous.

Speaker 79 But they come up and they initiate the conversation and i can tell it gets them laid so they're so excited and that i think will make them listen yeah because i think and you know some of them they want to be shy about how much they know because as i said masculinity is hard to deal with when you're still i guess like you know contending when it's all ahead of you still sure i'm just saying don't be shy boys it's okay to like lost culture it's okay that's right look look who's here you know who's great at um a great straight male who will all often say how much he loves the show john Hamm.

Speaker 23 John Hamm.

Speaker 67 Will Steven, writer of Bonus Straight, both times with August White.

Speaker 60 That's a real ally.

Speaker 61 That's a real ally.

Speaker 180 We love you well. Okay.

Speaker 60 It's time for I don't think so.

Speaker 134 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 163 We're going to go first.

Speaker 112 Did you type it out?

Speaker 181 He's a writer.

Speaker 61 Yeah.

Speaker 64 So he's in the world.

Speaker 61 So we wing it here.

Speaker 89 I have something that, you know, I didn't realize was a thing until last night.

Speaker 43 I was at dinner and I was made aware.

Speaker 90 And this has rocked my world.

Speaker 134 I can't wait to go after restaurant culture here.

Speaker 92 This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey is time starts.

Speaker 124 Yeah. I don't think so, honey, when mocktails are almost as expensive or as expensive as cocktails.

Speaker 70 I am not even a part of the sober community, and I am outraged on behalf of the sober community because let me tell you what the expensive part of a cocktail is, the alcohol.

Speaker 90 So why for grenadine, orange juice, bitters, maybe, and like a little bit of soda water, am I paying $12?

Speaker 128 I don't think it's fair. I don't think so, honey.
I also want to directly say where this is happening, which is where I have my new home, lower Manhattan.

Speaker 112 This is a lot of you guys.

Speaker 128 I'm telling you, you throw a rock, you hit a $14

Speaker 59 mock tail.

Speaker 113 And I don't care how big the orange is.

Speaker 128 No, because I'll tell you what, it's only a couple bucks in an orange, a whole thing.

Speaker 188 So, I don't care that the slice is that big.

Speaker 128 Yes, you made it look expensive. That's so different than being expensive.
I mean, for example, I could walk in here wearing a white suit. I'm not Zendaya or Anna Sawai at the Med Gala.

Speaker 216 They cost a million dollars.

Speaker 128 I cast six.

Speaker 104 I don't think so, homie.

Speaker 67 And that's woman. You are more than six dogs.

Speaker 264 Yeah, but you know what, though?

Speaker 106 Not really.

Speaker 100 And I'm saying that, like, these, these cocktails and mock-ups.

Speaker 80 It's infuriating. It's infuriating.

Speaker 85 Well, I mean, I feel like they are maybe offsetting that by like.

Speaker 23 No, actually, there's no explanation.

Speaker 80 I'm just going to try to display it.

Speaker 75 And you know what?

Speaker 131 It's like, it's like, I'll tell you what, the alcoholics don't miss paying for the alcohol, right?

Speaker 157 Okay.

Speaker 98 So it's like they might miss the alcohol.

Speaker 97 They can't have it.

Speaker 210 They're not missing the prices.

Speaker 114 It's not like, oh, you know what I really miss?

Speaker 101 Hitting it hard and paying $9 for a Heineken.

Speaker 114 You know what would be great?

Speaker 134 Nine bucks for a Heineken zero, which is essentially piss.

Speaker 177 They should be like, here's an orange juice and an edible.

Speaker 143 Honestly. It's $15.
$15.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 191 Really good idea.

Speaker 148 It's going to be something else. Yeah.

Speaker 59 Yeah.

Speaker 113 And or it's, but you know what?

Speaker 180 It's like, what would that even be?

Speaker 87 I mean, you know, it's like, they also, I guess, you know what they try to get away with?

Speaker 124 They're using the nice glassware, too.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but but you don't pay for that.

Speaker 68 No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not part of the experience.

Speaker 60 But you get to keep it.

Speaker 247 You should get to keep it.

Speaker 157 Like a souvenir glass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 75 I used to be big into souvenir glass culture, and then I'll tell you what, you have a lot of huge cups you never drink out of.

Speaker 97 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 150 Because that's really what they are.

Speaker 148 My maroonug.

Speaker 60 That's totally that.

Speaker 59 That's really good, by the way.

Speaker 143 I wanted to tell you this.

Speaker 84 Maroo mug, and you're talking about LA.

Speaker 159 Like, you always struck me as pure New York, but I just, I am.

Speaker 26 But you do have this, this really good worldliness about Los Angeles that I like.

Speaker 217 I've been in show business for like, what, 23 years?

Speaker 66 You just, you know where.

Speaker 192 I go back and forth. And, you know, I have my spots I like.

Speaker 188 Los Filos, Maru.

Speaker 184 I mean, I have places I really like.

Speaker 116 It's aspirational. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 61 It's aspirational.

Speaker 106 It is. But you are in New York.
Yeah.

Speaker 155 No, I'm through and through New York.

Speaker 116 I can't imagine living anywhere else.

Speaker 33 I saw this Adam Gopnik solo show the other day, and he has this beautiful piece where he talks about how his favorite place on the planet is Central Park because it's just this place where everyone is in like a social pact to be like, we're going to come to this place that's completely manufactured and completely fake, but there's beautiful trees and beautiful statues and everyone, there's no premium pricing for a different part of the park.

Speaker 121 We're all just at the goddamn Central Park and it's great.

Speaker 112 It's like, I love New York.

Speaker 138 It's like, it's like, and I have frustrations with it, of course.

Speaker 150 But also,

Speaker 33 you know, look, we're all in it.

Speaker 70 It's so funny coming back to New York and being like a New Yorker again, too, because the first thing that happens is you start to be real opinionated about New York shit.

Speaker 70 I am ready to crack skulls about the subway.

Speaker 75 By the way, like, I'll get my one time, I'll get political.

Speaker 206 I can't believe Cuomo is this far ahead.

Speaker 90 It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 It's fucking insane.

Speaker 189 Not even following that race.

Speaker 60 Is he ahead? Oh.

Speaker 121 It's 60-40 with him.

Speaker 200 Oh, really?

Speaker 275 Yeah, but like, I think it's just, it's just name recognition is what's kind of,

Speaker 138 I've got it, I've got a frivolous one.

Speaker 68 Frivola.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 125 Maybe that's a good dragon. That's a great drag name.

Speaker 3 No, no.

Speaker 185 This is what I wanted to say.

Speaker 95 The only good drag name that I've come up with, and this is what I wanted to say, the most annoying sentence in the world.

Speaker 67 This is what I wanted to say at the end of my Criterion Closet video.

Speaker 86 My drag name would be Janice Films. Okay.

Speaker 106 Oh, Janice Films is great.

Speaker 3 I just opened my calculator instead of my timer.

Speaker 3 10 million. 10 million.

Speaker 3 I just opened up.

Speaker 64 That's aspirational.

Speaker 3 That's aspirational.

Speaker 51 How much money do I want?

Speaker 226 That's how much.

Speaker 131 Or, like, I just added 5 million to 5 million.

Speaker 193 You were just brainstorming what Kevin Hart makes per movie.

Speaker 3 Seven figures.

Speaker 64 I was like, it's probably.

Speaker 128 This is Bowen Yang's.

Speaker 134 His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 68 Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 121 Plastic hooks on gift bags that you purchase at the gift store.

Speaker 118 You buy a little paper gift bag and there's a plastic thing to make it hook.

Speaker 119 Yep.

Speaker 85 You cannot take that off, even with all the gorilla strength in the world, even when there's a perforated little thing there that mocks you because you try to tear it off, it's not coming off.

Speaker 85 Now you got to get a a damn pair of scissors. Like I have the time and money.

Speaker 60 30 seconds to find scissors to trim off this little plastic hook thing so that I can actually make it presentable to you so that you don't receive my gift and see the plastic hook.

Speaker 67 And the first thought you have is of me sliding it off a little rat

Speaker 25 a paper source.

Speaker 68 Please find a better way to hang gift bags, maybe, I don't know, by the string handles that are already on them rather than put a useless, single use plastic

Speaker 84 might I add element to these things.

Speaker 60 And that's one minute. Wow, really clean.

Speaker 142 Oh my God. You know what I mean?

Speaker 112 Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? No, of course we do.

Speaker 101 I don't, I didn't even know

Speaker 3 it was possible to rip off.

Speaker 264 I didn't know that they were forehanging, really.

Speaker 54 I kind of thought it was one of those just annoying things about like...

Speaker 3 No, there's no room for

Speaker 3 a single use

Speaker 204 plastic sneak attack.

Speaker 147 Because it doesn't even seem like it's part of it.

Speaker 191 Nothing.

Speaker 149 It's like that thing is going to go in a landfill forever.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 80 It's never.

Speaker 195 Or it'll go to our brains. I don't know.

Speaker 96 Like, you know what's also crazy when you go to CVS and get a receipt?

Speaker 115 Like, just talk, just talk about

Speaker 163 how much room it takes off or like how much you don't need it.

Speaker 130 It's like those receipts are so

Speaker 113 they don't even give you the option to not have the receipt.

Speaker 91 And I feel like with these things, it's like, what is the, what is it?

Speaker 178 It's weird.

Speaker 152 Like, I think in our lifetime, it has been this thing where we're like, we're going to recycle.

Speaker 147 We're going to save the planet to like the planet's fucked.

Speaker 157 Yeah.

Speaker 112 We're not going to even try.

Speaker 167 And it's such a bummer.

Speaker 100 I've never been angrier than a few.

Speaker 137 I feel comfortable saying this a few years ago we were on fire island and a friend of ours had a new boyfriend and this boy and he walks back to us we're sitting at the canteen and he comes back and he goes

Speaker 74 the gaze at the at the at the um the docks were so annoying guess what just happened and we go what he goes i threw my plastic cup in the bay and they yelled at me

Speaker 59 we were like

Speaker 59 excuse me the bed

Speaker 98 excuse me and the guy goes yeah like i was done with my drink and I threw my plastic cup in the bay and they all yelled at me.

Speaker 87 It's like, okay, the planet is dying already.

Speaker 74 And then our friend goes, yeah, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 19 And I had to walk away.

Speaker 75 I was like, I know love is blind.

Speaker 206 I know dick feel good and whole, but no.

Speaker 2 Not no.

Speaker 60 They did break up, thank God.

Speaker 106 But

Speaker 75 that was a moment where I had to check my respect for the door.

Speaker 22 Proudly being a litter bug is nuts to me.

Speaker 65 I hate littering.

Speaker 87 It drives me nuts.

Speaker 120 And also, like,

Speaker 143 you know, there's the fish in there. The fish.

Speaker 185 You know there's the fish in there.

Speaker 90 Well, it's what he said.

Speaker 98 They're going to die anyway.

Speaker 65 Oh, God.

Speaker 205 It's like, okay, kill me then.

Speaker 264 I'm on my way out at some point.

Speaker 25 That is actually textbook.

Speaker 23 I'm sorry to get a little academic here.

Speaker 69 This is NYU.

Speaker 95 Maybe, and I think they taught this at Georgetown as well.

Speaker 104 Metabolic rift theory, where it's the human disconnect between, the disconnect between man and nature.

Speaker 213 And it makes you, it makes it so that you don't understand that this came from something and that you throwing it out the window or throwing it into the water is actually the reason why you are broken as a person and why literally the phrase touch grass is important.

Speaker 69 You need to connect to that.

Speaker 69 Anyway, Mike Berbiglia.

Speaker 67 You have a written, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 182 And we are very, and there's a reason for this, but it's typed out.

Speaker 106 You'll see it at the end.

Speaker 163 You'll see it at the end. Okay.

Speaker 179 Because it could have been on your phone. Yeah.

Speaker 68 This is Mike Berbiglia's, I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now.

Speaker 135 Hating on people who try hard.

Speaker 193 Literally, everyone good at anything tries hard.

Speaker 204 You know who tries hard? Taylor.

Speaker 143 You know who else?

Speaker 149 Beyonce. You know who else?

Speaker 147 Ray Gunn, the breakdancer.

Speaker 135 I'm more suspicious of people who don't try hard or people who lie and say they're not trying hard when they are.

Speaker 177 If someone does something amazing and they say it was easy, be suspicious.

Speaker 161 Not only are they lying about it, they also committed crime.

Speaker 176 Remember when Anna Hathaway and James Franco bombed so hard hosting the Oscars?

Speaker 188 James Franco just left.

Speaker 166 He's a loser and I'm hashtag team Ann Hathaway.

Speaker 206 You know who tries hard?

Speaker 188 Han Hathaway.

Speaker 218 You know who else tries hard?

Speaker 190 Fantine and Le May.

Speaker 64 She tries so hard. You know who else?

Speaker 188 Andrea Sachs.

Speaker 64 The devil wears popular.

Speaker 59 Oh my god, 50%.

Speaker 64 Working from Miranda Priest is hard.

Speaker 188 She has to show up to work every day, sacrificing her relationship with Adrian Grania's character, Nate, who I think is a chef, but never has to go to work for a reason that's never explained.

Speaker 204 I'm reaching the end of my minute, but I want you to know this is my fifth draft of this.

Speaker 218 You know what I'm telling you?

Speaker 204 Because if you're a fellow tryhard, you deserve to know.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 71 Oh, that's one minute.

Speaker 112 Really good.

Speaker 190 And you know what? You're right.

Speaker 212 And I never liked Nate and Devil Wars.

Speaker 77 I never liked Nate.

Speaker 189 It's ridiculous. Adrian.

Speaker 33 Outrageous character. Outrageous.

Speaker 104 And this is the thing.

Speaker 67 I'm going to misquote Dorian Gray, but the people.

Speaker 204 Who are not in the arena don't know the pleasures of don't don't know the the the triumphs and so therefore how could they know anything about defeat or something like that it's just you know what it is yes and also it's just like it's like you talking about your hard nipples on stage or having strife emotional strife about being vulnerable it's like it's because you know it's going to take work to get there and then you are exposed yeah and it's like it's so easy for people to be like heh fuck her about someone who tried because they're trying i know it's like i'm so over that um and it also takes so much effort to hate on people yeah especially online you got to create a login yeah you know who's a workaholic charlie xcx oh literally noted admitted workaholic always has to work and it's just like maybe that can help like people stop being such assholes it's like someone who's effortless and cool looking is working to be that you know what i mean like i can't stand that because i am a tryhard and a type a millennial and it's like for that to be uncool it's like okay ridiculous yeah that was a wonderful wonderful i don't think so honey fifth draft Well, I do have to ask,

Speaker 22 why print it?

Speaker 198 Print it just because it's like draft over draft over draft. And then I like the paper.

Speaker 171 It's like a touchgrass thing.

Speaker 189 I like the paper.

Speaker 108 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 227 You're in a way touching tree.

Speaker 280 Yeah, I'm touching tree.

Speaker 61 You're touching tree.

Speaker 157 Oh, touching tree.

Speaker 136 But I wanted to get it right a little bit because I'm a huge fan of the segment, and I just wanted to lay something down.

Speaker 184 that felt that felt true to me.

Speaker 70 That was really,

Speaker 125 I feel like

Speaker 88 we're taking it back, the narrative.

Speaker 3 I really do.

Speaker 74 Because the thing about people that don't try hard having the narrative for a second, they didn't work hard enough to keep the narrative.

Speaker 23 So now it's just like, it's gone.

Speaker 133 You know, power can be wrestled very easily from those who wield power carelessly and thoughtlessly.

Speaker 26 Yes. What is that from?

Speaker 76 That actually was our guest last week, Tormaline.

Speaker 238 Tourmaline.

Speaker 60 That's from an incredible biography on Marsha P.

Speaker 96 Johnson.

Speaker 132 And that was the educational moment of our episode.

Speaker 142 Also, if we try harder, maybe we'll win the next election.

Speaker 83 Interesting.

Speaker 61 I think maybe we need to go to the next one.

Speaker 108 Do you think we need to try hard enough? Yeah.

Speaker 26 I think it's part of it. That's probably part of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 116 It's in the mix.

Speaker 65 Yeah. It's in the mix.

Speaker 229 I think it's in the mix.

Speaker 77 Do you think AOC will win the presidency?

Speaker 60 I think it's possible.

Speaker 204 AOC's fire. Pretty cool.

Speaker 78 Could be pretty cool. She has a message that hits.

Speaker 190 I also think Buddha Ja is great.

Speaker 218 I mean, it might be controversial.

Speaker 142 I love him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I know it's not controversial.

Speaker 3 No, sometimes people...

Speaker 60 Oh, whatever.

Speaker 91 They think he's too moderate, this, that, whatever.

Speaker 159 They think he's trying too hard.

Speaker 172 They think he's trying too hard.

Speaker 3 But man, I like how he mixes it up on fox stuff like that i know like he's willing to he's willing to go there willing to go there and so is aoc by the way and bernie and bernie and bernie's obviously right kind of a legend but like yeah i think both of those people are phenomenal yeah yeah it is interesting i hope they can catch a catch a wave yeah i i think they are catching waves it's just like i i think after everything that's gone on it's like I don't want to be that person that's like, oh, I'm nervous to put up a gay guy or I'm nervous to put up like a young Latino woman.

Speaker 159 Yeah, I agree. You can't be the, you can't be the nervous person.

Speaker 3 You can't be the nervous person.

Speaker 89 I, I, I, I refuse to be, but it's like, there's truly people out there who just solely think Kamala lost because she's a black woman or black Indian woman.

Speaker 70 And it's just like, I feel like we need to, I don't think that's why she lost.

Speaker 212 And I do think we need to stop saying that because if that's the ideology that we go down, like we're just going to end up with Cuomos forever.

Speaker 173 I also, I think if we knew for a year out.

Speaker 3 The whole thing of people Googling day of who's running.

Speaker 172 Yeah.

Speaker 60 That's real. Oh, like

Speaker 61 really real?

Speaker 142 Millions of people Googling who's running.

Speaker 66 And some of us didn't know.

Speaker 74 Okay.

Speaker 159 And some of us just had to

Speaker 64 remind him. Do you know how busy he is?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 147 I don't want to hit Biden while he's down because I'm sympathetic to the health.

Speaker 130 It's like, yeah, I think there's a lot of things he could have done for the four years also to safeguard democracy. Yeah.

Speaker 60 Like, there's a lot.

Speaker 59 That's a lot.

Speaker 120 I mean, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 3 It's pandemic.

Speaker 138 There's a lot going on.

Speaker 168 But still, and just introducing Kamala to everyone.

Speaker 59 Hey. Yeah.
Hey. Hey.
Hey.

Speaker 112 I don't think he knew she was there.

Speaker 109 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 150 I'm 100 years old.

Speaker 188 There's this other lady who's fantastic.

Speaker 98 Anyway, go pick up Jake Tapper's book, everybody.

Speaker 64 It's a normal episode

Speaker 70 who, by the way, was shaming people for suggesting that there was something wrong, maybe not, or maybe not right with Biden for a while.

Speaker 3 And now all of a sudden, there's a book.

Speaker 51 So

Speaker 123 anyway, love that. Love that guy.

Speaker 111 Love that dude.

Speaker 116 Well, I love that we added on Jake Tapper.

Speaker 3 This whole thing.

Speaker 59 This love for Jake Tapper's book.

Speaker 71 The good life is on Netflix, May 26th.

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Speaker 96 You feel so safe when you watch you.

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Speaker 147 This is such an honor to be here.

Speaker 173 If I could only be on one podcast, it would be this and this whole thing.

Speaker 147 But this has been so beautiful for me because I love bonding also on all of these movies.

Speaker 2 I know.

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Speaker 102 Yeah, Jeremy McGlaire is going to be a good watch for you later.

Speaker 179 Yes, I can't wait.

Speaker 169 Thank you for bringing that in.

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Speaker 90 Yes.

Speaker 108 Returned. Returned.

Speaker 175 When Bowen wrote an email to me about the night special last night, it made me careless.

Speaker 152 And I wrote about it in my journal. Oh.

Speaker 108 The email that we were all on?

Speaker 61 Yeah.

Speaker 74 I'm sorry I didn't email. I watched it this morning.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 83 It's okay. I'll send you an email.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I'll write about my journal tonight. Yeah.

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Speaker 59 When everything's made to be broken,

Speaker 51 I just want you to know who I am.

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