"Me Rolling" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

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Why are we giggling?

I said, okay, me rolling.

Oh, yeah.

You know, I always say, I'm rolling.

And then Matt goes, okay, me rolling.

I don't ever say that, though, but this time I said, me rolling.

Well, no, I'm saying I usually say, okay, I'm rolling, or you say I'm rolling.

One of us says I'm rolling and the other one says me too.

And that's.

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Me rolling.

Well,

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When we're out at the club, at the party, you know, nightlife in New York City.

It's never been better.

It's never been better.

I mean,

you know, there's much written discourse about it.

We're getting right into it.

We're speaking about Stephen Phillips Horst wrote a piece on, I guess, gay partying and gay sex for New York magazine.

The headline was, have we reached peak gay sluttiness?

In an age when, you know, supposedly we're, you know, young people are having less sex than ever.

Seems like cis gay guys are doing plenty of it based on these advances in drug.

party drug technology.

Party drug technology, also a front runner, frontrunner for title of EP.

Yeah, it was really fascinating because I was reading this and I was seeing all the discourse about it online, which, you know, all credit to the piece, which I did feel was well written and accurate

to an extent.

We'll talk about it.

But the most interesting thing about the whole thing to me was the variety and intensity of reactions in the discourse about the piece.

I guess that's a six, that makes it a successful piece in terms of what it's trying to accomplish.

Sorry, I keep telling me to cut you off.

No, no, no, but it was fascinating because at the same time I was, you know, observing all of this and reading all this and internalizing all this, it feels like it hit the news extra hard just how little sex

Gen Z and Gen Alpha is having.

Like, I was watching this, the young Turks and Gen Alpha.

We can give them a little bit of sex.

Wait, Gen Alpha, they're too young to fuck, right?

Like, I actually don't know which is which.

I'm going to say, just to just to

air on safety, like, maybe, maybe, maybe we shouldn't think about Gen Alpha fucking just yet.

Okay, no, I guess let me just come out and say I don't know how old that is.

Like, so, so Gen Z, how old, how young is the youngest Gen Z?

Let's start there.

So, Gen Alpha, the cutoff for Gen Alpha is the current day, either 2010 to 2024 or 2013 to 2025.

So, so the oldest Gen Alpha person supposedly is 15 years old.

Okay, so never mind.

Take it out.

Take it out, take it out.

No, I don't even know if it needs to be edited out, but like, no, like, I'm just saying, like, take it out of the street.

Strike it from the record.

Strike it from the record, please.

Um, but I was, I was watching something on the Young Turks about how people across the board aged 18 to 21, like 48% of them had not had sex in the last

year or something.

Or it was like three months to a year.

There was like some metric that people can look it up, but suffice it to say, the big headline was, and this is something I observed.

you know, they were also, they were talking about it because they were talking about it on MSNBC.

Young people and people in general are having way less sex.

And then when I read this piece that Stephen wrote, it was all about, I mean, the literal aim to get people talking was gay community, everyone is having more sex than you and partying more than you and like going for it more.

We've reached peak.

And it was just fascinating the reactions that not only that headline generated, but then the specifics of the article generated.

Sure.

I mean, that thesis.

is I'm sort of the counterthetical person because I'm literally in that article because I saw him at a party and he was writing this and he asked me and I was like, and I'm quoted as saying I've never had less sex than now, but I'm also also not a G queen.

I guess I'm

tying it to the drug culture.

So for people who don't know, GHB,

a drug that must be taken in specific doses at specific times, cannot be mixed with alcohol, more commonly known in the past as the date rape drug.

Not a roofy, but lethal when combined with alcohol.

potentially lethal.

And

it kind of gets you in a fucked up place, quote unquote.

That's the qualitative, I guess, way to describe it, so that you can feel a certain kind of

feeling without drinking a certain amount of alcohol.

Like you, it's, it's a, you know, kind of takes away the caloric aspect of it.

Yeah, the caloric aspect goes away.

You also don't feel drunk the next day.

People come over, yeah.

And just transparently, Bone and I don't use G,

but

obviously, if you read this article and you know people in the gay community, it is quite popular and people have their reasons for doing it.

And I think that those reasons being explored in the article also made people feel a certain way.

It also, the article also touches a bit on like, you know, different variants of like, you know, cocaine and ketamine, et cetera, just like really kind of exhaustively goes through the behaviors and activities related to and regarding gay partying and gay sex, because obviously these types of party drugs do open the door to

more sex,

more partying, more energy, et cetera, everything in that regard.

So, what I thought was fascinating about it, like I said, was it felt like I actually wrote, I was taking notes on what people were kind of saying because there was also a lot of close friends going off.

I love picturing you on a notepad.

I just want to say.

Look,

my notes.

Bowen knows I take notes.

I'm taking notes culture.

One of your collectibles, which is something that I collect, but for your new apartment,

you should strew about the house, strewn, whatever.

Little notepads you collect from like hotels and stuff.

Anyway, I keep going.

These are some things I wrote down.

And then afterwards, I think we can talk about how it made us feel.

But one, feeling like as a result of reading the article, they're doing gay wrong for not engaging in this type of partying or feeling uncomfortable about this type of partying and this type of sex being this loose.

Like I saw a lot of people, and I talked to some people who were expressing discomfort with the idea that, yeah, I'm insecure in my place in the community because I don't do this.

So that was one.

Another was feeling unfairly exposed by the specifics in the article or like it was betraying something to people who this wasn't for.

So suffice it to say,

you know,

seeing themselves in the article,

feeling like perhaps it was not for the eyes of people that were not in these rooms and they felt a certain way about that.

Sure.

Then there is feeling like it's an accurate depiction of the culture and validates why you're not in this type of scene.

So basically it's like, yeah, that's, I'm not that type of person.

I see this.

I'm happy this was written because it just makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing by not being in that part of atmosphere.

And then finally, at least this is what I saw, feeling like it's accurate and potentially are, you know, not feeling sad about that behavior and not being like regretful about the behavior, but being ornery about what it reveals at a time when judgment, violence, negative action towards our community is at an all-time high.

So those were, so, and then, you know, general being like, yep, that's it.

Ha ha, like, well written.

This piece captures something.

So it was the intensity of all that and the surprising places where those reactions came from that to me was the most compelling.

And I'm wondering if you identified with any of those those subsects of reaction or if you have a different take.

I was going to say, most of those I think are valid.

Certainly the insecurity and doing gay wrong.

I feel like that is something that I think you and I constantly bump up against,

especially like in the moment, even, which I think is a good thing to like understand it presently.

Like while we are present in those situations, while we're adjacent to those, we'll say, because again, we've never, speaking as people who have like never partaken in those drugs, I think there's a limited scope in that maybe, but also, but suffice it to say, which you have been using a lot recently in our interpersonal communications.

I love

going with that.

I will, suffice it to say, I'll keep going.

It's like roaches sort of like fleeing the light.

It's like there's something,

the light should not be on this.

There's a reason why this is underground.

And

I don't think it has, I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with shame.

I think it more has to do with like,

oh, oh no like this is not meant for exposure like this is not meant to be i don't know like it certainly merits intellectualization which everything does but i think like there's something about the fact that there is something to protect there is and there's nothing wrong with protecting this facet of queer life and especially in these times when like you know you want to have some sort of like outlet like i i understand that

I think

I don't quite know where I fall on like demonizing gay people, queer people in general.

But I you're not sure if you want to demonize them.

Maybe they should be demonized a little bit.

Every day I wake up and I go, is this the day that I demonize?

It changes.

I got my favorite

wavering over the demonize button at all times.

But then I was going to say something else.

Like, my take is if it's fraying the community in any way, then that I sort of go, well,

and I don't know if that was like the intention.

I don't think so, but I think because the discourse is so split, like I'm like, oh, well, then I don't know if, I don't know if this is like healthy for us to all disagree.

I think it is healthy for us to disagree.

I actually think this is one of the healthiest conversations that we've had in a while.

I'm really grateful about the piece because I think we do need to talk about the way in which our community has changed.

And also, you know, Stephen, you know, makes a note of saying several times, I'm 37, I'm 37, I'm 37.

And I think that's something that maybe

this is intentional or maybe not, but he's specifically talking about an age.

Yes.

And he's revealing a self-consciousness about that age.

And I think that I applaud him for writing it because everyone's talking about it.

And I, yes, we're fans of Stephen, by the way,

fantastic writer, fantastic comedian.

Yeah.

Totally.

And I think if it's missing something,

because I do think it's, it's accurate.

And I do, by the way, and I say that also acknowledging, I think it's accurate for a part of the gay community.

This clearly is not everyone.

I will cop to, I've never used G.

I have used K.

I've done cocaine.

Like Bowen and I, like, we've not done G, but we do, you know, we are like.

in the community and have used these types of drugs.

Some of them, like the MMC3, I didn't even really know what that was.

So that's like a spectrum in and of itself.

Like you can be a part of the gay community and be on some spectrum here in terms of like, you're not a G queen, but you have recreationally like used ketemy and done these things and

like, you know, or are unaware of what that is, or I may not even have called it the right thing right now.

Like, I just know it's a bunch of letters and numbers.

But I think if something is missing from the article, and again, I think it's accurate.

I think it's funny.

I think compassion is missing because I think that something that I will peel back the curtain on for people who maybe aren't in the queer community, but especially in your mid-30s and you approach 40,

you're sad.

Because the fact is

when you're in the queer community, you don't get to start being yourself and enjoying community until you find community and until you understand who you are.

And that happens at really different rates for a lot of people.

And what is something that helps?

Drugs and alcohol.

And historically, I mean, this is going all the way back.

Like people convene and they imbibe and it helps them loosen up and it helps them open doors.

It helps them express themselves all sorts of ways.

Do I think that

some of this drug use is getting out of hand?

Has it changed relationships that I have had in my life in all different facets?

Have I seen like, you know, rationalizations for drug use increase,

unhealthy relationships, you know, personally and exterior?

I've seen that happen and I do associate it with getting older.

And I think that issues become more glaring as you get older.

So yes, I think this is all true, but I do think that it would have maybe been helpful and maybe been a good supplement to the article to just explore like

why these behaviors may be happening.

Because there there is a little bit of a panic and a sadness when you realize you're getting older and started late.

Yes.

And also having that coincide with a time when there is this ambient

political malaise and like a loss of will and power and all this stuff.

Totally.

Let's party, et cetera.

Because why the fuck not?

Because it doesn't look good.

Right.

I totally agree.

And there's also just like, I don't know, like a synthetic scientific aspect to this where it's it's like, it's, yeah, it's, it's being tweaked in a way that is meant to like optimize.

And that's why like a lot of like science workers, that's not the right term, but a lot of like people who work science workers, a lot of people who work in tech, science, medical field, a lot of gay men who have those jobs tend to, not to generalize, but they are the ones who tend to have knowledge, are literate in it, have access to it.

And,

you know,

with that knowledge and access, kind of can regulate it for themselves in the short term.

In the short term.

I'm going to go as far so far as to say that like, we don't know long term how you regulate this because

not that much time has passed.

Oh, no, I worry about the bladders of people who I see doing ketamine all the time.

And it's not a judgment.

It's the farthest thing from a judgment.

But when something becomes regular in a community, like it's it's worth looking at.

And we don't have the answers to all of it.

Gay UTI is skyrocketing, I think.

You think that's what it is?

I don't even know.

Like, I mean, and I think the thing too is just like

I see it get rationalized a lot in terms of like, oh, I'm not just using it for partying.

I'm using it for my depression.

And then suddenly everyone's their own physician in a way where I'm like, eh, I don't know.

Maybe it is worth looking at.

I don't think that anyone likes it when, and this is where the defensive reaction comes in for me.

I don't think anyone likes likes it when A, it's pointed out that they may have an unhealthy relationship with something.

Of course.

And B, vanity is pointed out.

And I think it's dishonest to say that it's not about that for a lot of people.

Does Steven make this connection in the article that like

a big reason for the popularity of G and a reason why people rationalize it is because there's like an aesthetic thing there.

Like

that plays into like the body fascism of the gay community, which is objectively present.

Like there's no way.

And it didn't.

It never went away.

In fact,

it got worse.

I mean,

it's the same as it's always been.

Like now we have the language for it and we're able to express that it's a thing, you know, because we've all been emboldened over the past 10, 15 years, it feels like now that we've gotten to a certain place to be like, hey, we all feel a certain way in these spaces, but that doesn't mean those spaces don't still have a stronghold.

Right.

I was going to say, I think New York Magazine, I think in like 2017, 2018, I remember reading, there was an article about how ketamine is the drug of this time

because of

this, these similar reasons.

It feels more pronounced now, obviously, of like losing your political will, losing power, only feeling empowered to make decisions in your consumer life, in your, in literally what you ingest or what you put into your body.

Like

ketamine is the dissociative thing, is the representative thing in terms of like this very dissociative time.

I feel like we're not necessarily in a dissociative time now.

I don't think we are in a time when people just want pure,

it's cynical and it's disconnected.

And therefore, like drugs that kind of push you all the way to one extreme seem appealing.

Yeah.

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In this last episode, it's one of the fathers, like the lead of the show that's the father with the mustache.

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I think you and I have both kind of like at different times just checked in with South Park.

Like it's, it's, I don't know.

There was a time when Billy and I, Billy Domino, my old roommate, our, our, our, our dear friend, um, and I would watch South Park as it was airing, like right after college and like Cartman like ingesting Vagicil, like in order to like get ahead in like women's sports.

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It's crazy that everyone feels like it's okay to say these words again, but we've been saying it this whole time.

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There's something really in terms of like a media sort of like story, like, it's pretty incredible.

I don't know.

I'm not saying anything.

I'm not adding anything to the conversation.

No, I think it's all a comment.

It's all a comment.

Yeah.

It's interesting, though, like, just speaking of like people being called certain things and having a reaction, you can tell in this article, just to return to this for a second, Stephen's sort of referring to people who aren't engaging in this type of drug behavior and wearing like black mesh shorts and a white tank and a gold chain and like going to these certain things, referring to anyone who's not like that, which he kind of does as like a Buddha judge.

He's also meant to poke at people.

Because that's like,

what exactly are you saying when you call someone a Buddha judge?

You're like, and this is, this has nothing to do with what Pete Buddha judge is actually like because we don't really know him.

But there's this idea that in order to get under people's skins reading it, which I think made people in column one, um, which I was saying earlier, like feeling that like they're doing gay wrong.

Like, if you're reading this and get the sense that you're Buddha Judge, you're kind of like, oh, am I basic?

Like, am I, am I sexless?

Am I

boring?

Am I, and it's, it, it is a way to like flick the FOMO of people reading this, which causes, you know, obviously a panic and an anxiety towards other people.

Like, and I don't know, it's just, which I don't think he needed to do necessarily, but like, I think was effective in getting people to discuss this because that's almost like the worst thing you could walk away feeling is like uncool for a lot of people.

That might be where I fall.

I had a little bit of panic reading this, like, because it is a little bit different now when we go in these spaces.

Sure, sure.

We can't really show up and be acting like that.

We can't get fucked up.

No, like, it's like,

even if we're with people that are super, duper, duper fucked up, I feel like a self-consciousness, you know, it's, it's just, I feel like I missed out on something or like, like, you read this kind of debauchery, you read this kind of like, like, it's been years since I've been in the dark room.

I think I went in the dark room once at Pegasus and like years ago in LA after we shot Fire Island because I thought I looked good and you know what I mean?

Like, I, whatever, that shoot had like messed with me a little bit so I went and like went off in the darkroom and I had fun and now it feels like that would be harder to do so for lots of reasons and so that was like it made me read it and be like oh man like this this culture this like bacchanal type vibe like maybe there is something to it that I'm not a part of and it did it it hit on something in in me Was the Bacchanal episode of Looking also something that really made you look inward?

I don't really think about looking anymore.

Maybe I should.

maybe i am kidding maybe it would be a good maybe that would be a good uh time like it might be a good rewatch looking is a great rewatch i've i started it did you do it i've not finished it but i i did it about like six months ago and i was like it's a great show like again like this is not this is not the gay

life that i live but

interesting little anthropological study um and and in terms of like steven

using or coining this Buddha Judge thing like because you felt that way too right sure sure.

But I'm not like, and like, there is something that, like, that agitates in that sense that, like, I think

on purpose is sure.

And so, but this is also a thing where, like, these distinctions and this kind of like, these separations have existed in the community for like it's already it's already there.

He's just kind of labeling that this phenomenon that's already happening has happened since the beginning of like gay tribalism in like this, like the 70s.

Like, like, i i do wonder like what life like right like as like the maddakeing society started or whatever like the time when like queer people were really together it seemed or no that's not even true because when we read marsh's biography um written by tourmaline it's like marsha b john's biography it's like oh no i guess back then there was there's still this like class divides and racial divides in in the gay community.

So I'm like, I was just, I was about to like wax fictional nostalgic on like, oh, there must have been a time when like we were all on the same level.

And no, I mean, that's just, that's just just the human condition.

It's like we can't ever totally congeal and coalesce.

It's like these ways of like differentiating ourselves from each other are just going to exist no matter what.

But like, I don't know.

I think I'm, I'm really cheesy and mushy lately where I'm like, other people are all we've got.

Not to be all fleabag, but it's like communities like the ale to like the nihilism that we feel these days.

It's like other people are all we've got, period.

Yeah, 100%.

And I guess in terms of this idea that maybe there was a time when the queer community was more whole and could, you know, directly collaborate with each other, I think we can, but it is through discourse like this.

It's less like we all can acknowledge that there's a problem and we're all going to move to fix it in a certain way.

I think the way that, and why I think this piece is net good, the way that we stay connected to each other and understand each other is by communicating.

And so in that way, I think the piece is a big win because we're talking about this thing that we can all agree exists.

And I think when people can start getting real about the way not only the article makes them feel because the article is a symptom of what's going on in the culture, but actually asking yourself

how you feel about this type of thing and why it makes you feel that way.

Maybe that's like an over-therapized way of going about it.

No, no.

Lately,

in my efforts to become a better communicator which i'm actively trying to do this year i'm always thinking like okay if i feel angry about something it probably means i feel like threatened sad like like there's there's another emotion here and so some of the angrier responses i saw one of which was like i didn't even understand one word of what this said it's like you did

you did understand what it was like like and so instead of dismissing it and acting like it's something, how does it make you feel?

Like, and that's, there's something useful in that.

I, I absolutely agree.

Sorry, I'm linejing on my lips.

But anyway, give it a read.

Have we reached peak gay sluttiness by Stephen Phillips Horst?

How did Man's Best Friend by Sabrina Carpenter make you feel?

It made me feel,

again, like ambiently

interesting.

Like I just put on the Blood Orange album.

This is, this is my general take with just music right now.

Yeah.

Where are the hooks?

I know who can save us.

Demetria Devon Lovato.

We know she's going to come save us.

Now, honestly, I do agree with you.

Like, when I was listening to the album, and I love Sabrina.

And

this is a Sabrina house

podcast.

I love Manchild.

I love the Manchild video.

Was super excited for this album.

And I enjoy the album.

I think it's a great album.

It felt to me like the creation of this was something different than the creation of short and sweet.

Like short and sweet

feels to me engineered for pop domination.

Like that to me feels like we created an album, all bangers, like, you know, there was something about Espresso that announced her and then please, please, please coming.

And it was just, to me, that album was, had the goal of making her the pop superstar that she is.

And then I feel,

yeah, absolutely.

And then I feel Man's Best Friend coming so soon on the heels of it did surprise me.

But I think that she is similar to Taylor Swift in that she comes from a school of thought, which is feed your audience.

And she's got a hungry audience.

And she was able to keep creating.

And so she did.

And she made what I feel is a very like sonically cohesive piece of work with,

you know, only a few people.

She said that it felt like they were writing it as a band.

I almost feel like it would have been cool for her to do like Sabrina Carpenter and the blank, blank, blanks and release it as an album, like as a band, because it does feel like it was made like.

in in a different capsule in like a capsule in like a different way and so when i'm listening to it i don't hear a lot of hits, but I do hear something that feels like a sonic step forward and a vocal step forward.

Lyrically, I think maybe I'm interested to see the next thing she wants to say, but I enjoy the album.

I think releasing this so soon after Short and Sweet, and even Short and Sweet had like a re-up with the extended version of it.

I think this is just part of the play where she is adding another dimension to her as an artist because I think

because this like ascent to pop superstardom was so quickly achieved,

even before Shorten Sweet came out, it was, it was done.

Like Espresso, like catapult.

Yeah.

I think Man's Best Friend, I think is just like adding another,

like I said, dimension to this, to the way like the public sees Sabrina Carpenter, which is this like, okay, like really complex songwriter, not always chasing the hook.

And then, and when I was saying, where are the hooks earlier?

I'm just saying, like, that's, this is what I miss currently.

I feel like we've been in a desert of hooks.

But I think I agree with you.

I think it's a great album.

I think I, my favorite right now is, um, Don't Worry, I'll Make You Worry, because it sounds like this Father John Misty song.

Like, she's, I think she's doing the thing that she was even doing in short and sweet, where it's like, let me put on different genre hats, inspiration influence hats.

And I think,

I think, I don't think she was setting out to do a short and sweet follow-up in the sense of like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Yeah, no, I think what, like, the positive reaction to coincidence on the first album seemed to open a door here for her.

Cause I remember she said coincidence almost didn't make the first album.

And then I think she said her mom liked it a lot and really fought for it.

And she had people on her team that were like fans of it.

And so it made it and then became such a fan favorite that I think it's like a super exciting direction for her to go.

And also Slim Pickens seems to be an impulse that she was following, which is this sort of like 70s sort of pop Dolly Parton with a little ABBA thrown in there, very retro.

I think my favorite track is

track five.

We almost broke up again last night.

Like, I just love her melody on this song.

And I do think her singing is the best it's ever been.

I also like Nobody's Son and Never Getting Laid.

There's like

moments in this where I'm like really blown away by what she's done.

And then there's moments where I'm like okay this feels just a little bit redundant from the first album and usually those moments are when we're making sex jokes that sure that's usually when I feel like that

I I keep going back and forth on the innuendo double entendre

thing with her because at the end of the day if you go back to the earliest comedy like earliest comedy like Aristophanes shit, like Greek old comedy, 5 BC,

They were just making sex jokes.

It's like, this is just a time, like there's no, there's no such thing as like, oh, like we're culturally derelict if all we're doing is like, you know,

innuendo.

It's like, that's not, I need to like, I think people should also maybe, I don't know, like figure that out.

Is this another article about PK sluttiness?

It's like, what, like, what is this?

I don't know.

Sex makes us feel.

very specific, complicated things.

And I think this is just a Rorschach test.

I'm going to say Sabrina Carpenter making little little jokes about like tears stream down my thighs is a rorschak test it's an ink blot i guess that's my thing too is i'm like the intense reaction towards it this time which does and by the way like it's crazy how quickly people can react to music.

I thought this about George and Poets.

I'm like, wow, people are really sure they don't like this.

And it just immediately happened.

Before it even came out on TikTok, when it like kind of leaked like an hour before, like the response from Stan accounts or like Sabrina Stan accounts were like, We don't like it.

It's like, well, wait a minute, this is your girl.

And also, give it a, give it a day or two.

Yeah, you haven't listened to it probably.

I mean, I even see it.

I, because I, we know some of these people who react quickly, and they'll listen to 30 seconds of a song and be like,

it's the flop era.

And I'm like, you have to stop.

Like, and so I do think that a lot of that is like

unfairly informing a lot of people's reactions and also the way they feel defensive about it.

Like, this is a great album.

It really is.

Like

I don't think that Sabrina and Ko, particularly this Ko, are capable of like bad work.

I will say I do understand

the reaction to some of the innuendos because I just don't think a lot of the innuendo here is as effective as as it was on the first album.

Like, I'm going to let you make me Juno

is one thing.

It makes me laugh.

It makes me think.

It surprises me.

Whereas tears run down my thighs is just a little bit more of a reach, you know?

So I also think it's like people reacted to that element of her album in a really enthusiastic, positive way the first time, because it's possible that just,

you know, maybe tears run down my thighs, it doesn't work as well as the other one.

I'm not saying tears run down my my thighs doesn't work.

I'm saying maybe the response to this is, as we can relate to, like this theory of the abject, like revulsion to like, don't talk about liquids and holes.

I think

I think that's what it, I think that is maybe what it also comes down to.

It's like, okay, people don't want to hear about butt sex when gay men allude to it.

Got it.

And I guess people don't want to hear about pussy juice or cum or whatever, you know?

Like, yeah.

For me, I can't get enough of quality pussy juice talk.

I just love this stuff.

I love, I love

I don't think either of us are shy at all when she gets super vulgar or, you know, she's making like these types of jokes.

I think it's funny.

People are allowed to think

the quality of this one just doesn't match the first one.

That can be their opinion.

For me, tears, it might just be lean a little too hard on the irony.

Sure.

In terms of the quality, though, and like whether or not people are allowed to think that, yes, I agree.

I think also,

and I, someone on TikTok, and this is not me making the comparison, someone on TikTok was making the comparison between Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets about how these are albums that didn't need to necessarily be

good

because they are, as you said earlier, feeding the audience.

And she was contrasting that with Conan Gray's album and with Audrey Hobart's album, where this is, these are two songwriters who, I think Conan wrote 300 songs for the album and it got pared down to 12.

And I think Audrey, no doubt, wrote some crazy, she's a songwriter.

Thirst Trap is the moment of that album for me.

Okay, are you, have you finally gotten down?

Gotten to sit down and hit it.

I think it's amazing.

And it's just like, I'm also so,

I'm realizing now more and more she is like a pioneer of a certain like style and songwriting.

And I, I'm super happy that she put out a solo record because she should get to be a part of this discussion, the caliber of songwriter and singer and performer and pop star.

Her videos are really good.

I think like we're not, we're not talking enough about like, talk about a cohesive vocabulary visually.

Like the clown is so, is so great.

Like the clown, the clown being everywhere, who's the clown?

Like you're like, I'm the clown, I guess.

Like all, all of these songs on this album are about her speaking and externalizing these thoughts that we all have, but can never really put put to words, much less to music, the way that she talks about like this feeling of,

should I go to the party?

Oh, I'm at the party and I don't really like it, but what if I did something like, you know, like, or like the Uber ride home from the party or like the feeling of like bumming into your act, like it's all these specific yet somewhat universal things that like, I don't know, she does what all great songwriters and writers do, which is just to like, capture it and like let the muse kind of move through her.

But it's thematically, it's all so sharp.

And like, I think this person on TikTok was making the distinction between those albums and an album like Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets.

Again, they're a comparison, not mine, where it's like, it gets to be, they have earned the privilege.

After the Imperial phase, I guess you could say the same for art pop maybe, where it's like, you get to, you know, an artist like that wants to be a little chaotic and a little.

a little like just afraid, a little bit like, I'm just throwing everything against the wall and it doesn't really matter if it sticks or not.

Because guess what this is this is just i've done the thing where i've put out all killer no filler yeah i i i think that's a little bit what it is and or at least i think and it would make sense to me like sabrina earned an album where it feels like you put it on front to back and it feels like it had the goal of like moving her forward musically really indulging in this genre Also, did you see, do you think it was a response to that idea when Taylor said on the New Heights podcast, my goals with tortured poets were strictly lyrical?

Oh, I don't know.

Like, you think like she's, that's her way of

first of all, I think tortured poets is what I said it was, which was a fantastic album at the beginning.

I do think people reacted to it quickly.

I do think that

you're now seeing people come around to it.

Like, I mean, reputation.

Yeah.

And so, and by the way, like, we've done this.

Like, we, we do this a lot, but I'm trying to be a little bit more patient in my first listens and not listen to the chorus of people 30 seconds into Fortnite being like, this is a flop.

It's like, it's just not.

It's just not that kind of song that's maybe going to hit for you right away.

And I do think we could have more patience when we first hear this stuff.

But I don't know.

It was just interesting to me that she went out of her way in teeing up the life of a showgirl to be like, my goals with tortured poets were lyrical.

Whereas this album is 12 tracks.

You're not getting any more.

It is 12 bangers and she literally goes it's like that you know she listed her songs that she's done with Max Martin it it made tears run down my thighs

and I basically was like yeah this is gonna be a fucking bang fest whereas tortured poets she seems to call out her own indulgence in the songwriting which I

don't know if it's like she's not calling out her indulgence she's just making the distinction that songwriters have where either I'm gonna focus it purely on the melodies and the hooks or,

and not that like these two things can't coincide, or I get to, as a songwriter, as someone who's put out great work, I get to have, I get to write 31 songs that are meandering.

And I don't even, and exactly.

And I don't even say indulgence in a negative way.

I guess I'm just saying like she's like, she's calling out there were 31 songs on that project.

She's like, I had a lot to say.

I was feeling a lot because of a situation where I was, you know, very aggressively love bombed and you know at a time when I was already feeling a lot I had to get out what I wanted to say and so my goals were that album which I feel I achieved were lyrical because as you know there were a lot of lyrics whereas this she seems to contrast the brevity

and I don't think it's dissimilar to Sabrina who I think was like, yeah, I was this pop hit girl on short and sweet and I proved that.

And now here's me me and my like

cool project that I did in a short period of time because I felt like I was on a roll it's classic thing one for you one for them and

guess what on the tortured poets note guess what I'm still waking up humming to myself the alchemist I love the alchemist people still sleep on the alchemist I'm telling you so don't be around me when I look through people's windows comes on

don't be around

me don't be around me.

It's not safe.

I'll be looking through people's windows.

You'd be looking.

And you know it.

Wait, you know, and you know, you know what?

You just occurred to me.

What?

To go back to the alchemist.

First of all, great hook on.

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Oh my God.

She just cleared fucking all of these British boys.

She cleared all of them.

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speaking of australia are you talking about survivor babe what i heard the gameplay is great last night wait what i'm i hear the gameplay is great i have not watched this season i'm gonna send you away you can watch it okay what people are not understanding right now is that you if you want

you can fully watch poverty and sari on on Survivor on a new season that you've never seen.

And it is just as good as you want.

It is Wish Fulfillment Peak Imperial Phase Survivor.

This is so for the fans, and it's extra good.

If you did watch the Australian Survivor, which is phenomenal, I hate to say it.

They're just, they're producing a much better show than they do here in America.

Much better.

Less, I hear less advantages, less.

Way less.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just idols and, and that's it, basically.

First of all, can I say two tribes, seven on each tribe.

So you're kind of immediately getting into it.

Way less advantages.

Certainly there's idols.

There are an advantage here and there, but you don't have to like,

oh, you don't have to like, it's not an arduous mental process to watch the show.

And you really care because this social gameplay is forefront.

Yeah.

And this is the way you do an all-star season.

You don't overwhelm from the top.

It's just, it's also, the episodes are a little, the thing is, they're not longer, though.

They just feel longer.

But in a good way, like it just feels.

you're just i don't know you're just able to marinate anymore and the challenges don't feel as repetitive like you recognize them but i don't know it just feels like we're we're too by the numbers in american survivor right now and too careful.

Well, there's just more numbers on Survivor.

Every season,

they just keep adding more numbers, maybe, in terms of the, shall I say, gimmicks of the show when

it does become perfect word you used, arduous to watch now.

I really enjoy the last season, by the way.

We always have fun.

It can be arduous because if I'm going to watch a show that's arduous, like that can be the one.

I like it.

It's just,

you know, it's borderline.

Right.

You're describing this, and it sounds so refreshing.

I must watch.

The fact that Parvati Shallow and Cerifiels are on TV together at the same time

is world news.

And why are we not talking about this?

And I also have to say, what's extra, like, I don't think jarring is the word.

It's more just, it's surreal.

They look the same.

Oh.

They look the same as they did in Micronesia.

I'm like, neither of them have aged.

And they're also competing at the challenges at a really high level.

Like these women are beasts.

Yes, they're so good at it.

The mix of characters is great.

It's shaping up to be, and I'm not alone in this.

Like a lot of people in the diehard, like international survivor community are watching this and feeling really excited because

suffice it to say, without

spoiling, you're not facing the problem that you face with like Winners at War or other all-star seasons where the obvious targets are out first.

That is happening, but in a season where everyone is clearly an obvious target, it kind of falls away.

And I'm just happy.

Last night it felt like

it felt like the pandemic again because I'm sitting on this couch in LA eating.

I ain't leaving.

Oh, bitch, I am a lump.

I ordered postmates three times.

You know how high I was.

Like

watching Parvity and Sari like

negotiate what the next move.

Like, I'm like, is it 2020?

What an amazing feeling to, to, to be transported for a new thing to transport you in time.

Like entertainment marketers take note.

This is the feeling you that can accomplish.

This is the thing that can accomplish that feeling rather than like a reboot of something.

It's like, which is, I guess we're we're saying like a reboot like bringing two alums back to survivor in a different setting is kind of a reboot, but like this is all you need.

I've got to tell you parvity is fascinating.

Like

when we met Parv like all those years ago, because we turned on the channel and she turned, by the way, you see that become a meme, like her turning around on the boat.

Like at the very first time she was ever on survivor and she was asked about it.

She was like, of course I knew I was on TV and I was going to give that look.

Like, of course.

But when we met her as like you know when she was on this podcast yes yeah it almost felt like a different total vibe of person now to see her like restore like a mature away to like who who she was back then it's thrilling well can we say so something happened quote unquote between her being on law's cultureistess where she acknowledged to us that we were and i'm gonna give a lot of credit to you that we were the people to bring her back into gay culture

But I'm giving, I'm giving you.

You know that.

And I'm, but I'm saying something happened between that episode and when she came and shot this promo for the culture awards for us last year,

where we did a whole traders tribute.

And she showed up.

And that was the first time I had met her in person.

And I turned to and was like, oh my God, I get it.

Like, I get

why she, I get why she is who she is and why she's so iconic.

She just has that like, oh my God, like, what's your, like, I'm obsessed with you.

Which makes you mutually,

which makes you mutually obsessed with her.

You're like, wait, I need her.

It's like, it's not a red flag in terms of like, and again, I'm not saying it's this.

It's not like a narcissistic behavior.

It's like a thing where it's like someone who's just pleasantly magnetic.

Like, that's all it is.

And then she and I went to Roscoe's in LA the night of the culture awards airing.

Oh my God, yes.

And like, we got to hang out.

I'm just like, her vibe is perfection.

She's great.

She's a good hang.

She was there with like one girl from Deal or No Deal Island.

Oh, fun.

Like, just, just like, just like just a fun group of like hot lesbians like just all there and just we were all having a blast and I was like Parvity Shallow again and not for nothing not that like whatever not to reinforce this but it's just crazy that she does not look different from 20 years ago.

She does not.

She does not.

And also you see it happening.

What's so great about the show is even

like her and Sari

truly are

rarefied air because even these people on the show that have like earned their spot on this international edition of Survivor, they are so gagged for Sari and Parv.

And you can see people who otherwise are playing good strategic games unencumbered and you know, untethered to other people.

The second Sari and Parv come in, they're like, well, obviously, I want to play with Sari and Parv.

So I'm going to do what they want to do.

And I'm just like,

you are giving away the agency immediately.

And they get it.

They don't have to do anything.

Nope.

It's like years ago when Boston Rob won the show.

Boston Rob won the show.

It was like, I think it was called Redemption Island or something or whatever.

Something.

It was like season 20-ish, 24, 23, whatever.

He came back, and the

way he was brought in and the way he

just has this sort of gilded energy

they just rolled over and he won and he won very handily it is not unlike the thing even someone like dylan efron who that's someone who walks into a room and people are like i'll do whatever that person wants literally for dylan efron some people have gabby But for Dylan to feel that way about Boston Robb on Traders is also like,

that tells you everything you need to know about Boston Robb.

And I think was Culture Words the night that Dylan and Parvity were in the same space for the first time.

Obviously, no, were they, was that, I don't know,

I've heard that before.

But certainly, certainly there were a lot of people in that room where I was like, okay, if we, if we got, if we got Andy on a camera right now, we can make something happen.

Look, not, not, not, not to, not to jerk ourselves off, but I'm still over here like a month later being like, I can't believe that happened that we did that.

And thank you to everyone who came and everyone who watched, period.

Okay, let's, let's go.

Moving on.

Okay, moving on.

We attended the mayhem ball.

Tony for Lady Gaga.

Now, let her cut the line.

No, no.

You know she's getting it eventually.

Like that was, I don't even mind the fact that it was like, okay, this is basically,

no, whatever.

No, that's the beauty of it.

The fact that she turned shallow into an Andrew Lloyd Weber song.

Just even in the arrangement and obviously in like the staging of it with where she's on like the gondola, the canoe, like incredible.

I mean, we're going again.

Well, already

thoughts going again.

Already, we had, I had seen the art of personal chaos twice at Coachella and from two different vantage points.

Going again, the improvements that she made, it really feels like she sat down and she was like, okay, how can we even further clarify this story and what I'm trying to say?

And she still was able to do some fan service with the songs that she brought in.

I mean, justice for art pop, obviously.

Obviously.

Maybe one of my favorite moments is now applause.

Even moving how bad do you want me to the encore that felt right?

Like all the change that she made from the original feels like it clarified what she was trying to say as a performer.

I don't know if the changes that she made made it easier for her or more difficult for her as a performer, but I think it didn't matter because all she wanted to do was find a way to tell this story she's telling better, this opera.

and she did that and just the way that she needn't had changed anything no and yet still wanted it to be better made this even better made it even better how bad do you want me rolling as the end credits really good for a show that is about like the

her own duality her interior sort of like struggle like between like the mayhem in her mind, like this chaos that she's been sort of, I don't know, like maybe she's like held her whole life, but now is finally like reckoning with, like, that versus the person that she is on the surface or to the public.

This is something I think that is extremely relatable to everyone.

Like, it makes you think about your own, let's say, mayhem.

And then for her to like triumphantly do a victory lap to a song that still puts it to the audience or to a second person, like, how bad do you want me?

Not, not like, how badly do you want me, but how bad, how about, how, like,

how edgy, evil, whatever do you want me to be?

That's such a fun play.

She was supposed to like, I mean, like by the end of the show, not to spoil it, but like, you know, these two things are reconciled in her, right?

And like they love each other.

Like the mayhem and like, and herself are like one.

They're loud.

My favorite part.

We are monsters and monsters never die.

Iconic!

She's my favorite girl.

Yeah, 100%.

I love her.

I would do anything for her.

I know, honey.

I love her so much.

I know.

Lady Gaga.

She is

forever.

She inspires me to this day.

I wrote down things in my notes.

I was like, okay, I want to do something at some point in my career where this happens, where this happens, where this happens.

Look at how she's still implanting ideas and concepts into everyone's minds here, both in the room at at Madison Square or across the world.

Everyone's watching.

I mean, this is, this is one of the best concerts I've ever been to, period.

I'm sorry.

And it is.

Absolutely.

Oh, without question.

Top, top three, top two, maybe number one.

Without question.

I mean, and so it's, it's, we've been so spoiled by the live experiences lately.

Yes.

And they're incomparable.

But that being said, this is the pop music moment of the year.

Like mayhem, et cetera, all of it.

1,000%.

You know, the Grammys voting window, not voting window, eligibility window just closed, in fact, two days ago.

So August 30th was the last day.

And looking at everything, you know, I don't think it's going to be as competitive and exciting a year as last year when you look at like the pop backs, but that doesn't matter because even in a crowded year, mayhem would stand out.

This is a fully committed to

no holds barred.

Look back and look forward for her.

You know, it's brought everything that has made her special and put it into one show.

It is the theatrics.

It is the daring.

It is the sheer excellence on stage when it comes to performance and execution.

It is a nod to what an icon she is and what a hero she remains.

Yes.

It is, it is her in conversation with herself.

The themes have remained not, you know, exclusively consistent, but you know, enough to call them themes in her career.

Obviously, the darkness and the light, the dance as salvation, you know, it is all

so beautifully realized, performed, executed.

Bus, another club, etc.

Yes.

Period.

Beautifully said.

And guess what?

If the category is dance or die, and if monsters never die, I guess there's only one choice, isn't there?

You have to dance.

What you've been saying.

What you've been saying.

I just, yes.

She just.

She fucking.

I say this literally.

She rules.

She rules.

She rules.

She does rule.

She rules me.

She rules.

I'm going to say she rules the culture.

This is.

We needed this.

We needed this.

Can you imagine if this, if this year had been without the mayhem era?

Can you imagine?

It would have really felt different.

And also, you know, I own what I almost did.

So Christmas is coming.

I'm not doing this.

So I feel like I can announce.

I almost did the Christmas ball.

And I almost did it like in a mayhem style.

I'm doing something else because I was like, no, I can't fully do that.

I've heard about the concept and I like it.

I didn't want to do it, but it was close because there's a part of me, and I feel like we did do this with the culture awards.

So I do feel like we've nodded to it enough, but there's a part of me.

That's why I get Sabrina with her references and her passion for what inspires her because there's a part of me that's just like, I want, and it's almost like in service to the artist herself.

It's like, you know, that we're, we're this obsessed with you, right?

Like, but I feel like we've made it clear enough.

She knows.

She knows.

I'm so excited for the tour.

Well, I can't say much more yet.

Yeah, maybe, maybe in a few weeks, it'll start feeling a little chillier in here.

Oh,

we can announce more.

Should we do, I don't think so, honey.

Do you have any other things that you absolutely have to get off your chest?

Or can we go?

Quick things that I must address.

Okay.

Great season in Miami.

And skip this if you hate housewives.

Great season in Miami.

I do want to say publicly, Stephanie Shojai, you are not for me.

Okay, I kind of resent that you are a center couch or center, um, that you were sitting center

that you have the Andy seat for the reunion.

I don't think what you and Alexia have going on this season is that compelling.

I think, like, for her to call you a chihuahua is not the same thing as you like dangling

around your private jet to girls.

And you, you were more disrespectful to Alexia.

We are a team Alexia house.

We are also

whatever team Larsa isn't on.

Larsa commented on the little reel that Watch What Happens Live posted of me, I don't think so, hunting her, which I stand by, but she was like, whatever.

She's just being a fucking loser, lame ass bitch.

She was like, I was watching Trump because I wanted to be in the know with the news.

Also, I hate your shirt.

I'm like, oh, you'll have to do better than that.

So, anyway, she's just

okay, sure, Larsa.

And then whatever.

Whatever.

But I will will say that Center Couch should have been Gritty and Julia, no?

Absolutely.

Gritty and Julia, 100%.

But also, I want to say that Potomac Trailer falls.

Oh,

I have to do it.

And so we have a tactical trailer.

By the way, you know who's out?

Karen Huger.

Karen Huger was actually released

early.

Oh, I thought you meant out of the show.

No, she was released early two hours ago.

What?

Yes.

Two hours ago, she was released early.

Karen Huger is out of prison.

Okay.

If you don't know, now you know, Karen Huger committed several.

She was driving under the influence.

It got bad.

It got dark.

She had a bad accident.

And this was not her first infraction in that regard.

And so she was sentenced to.

I believe it was a year in prison with a year suspended license.

She has served six months of that sentence and is now released, which we're thrilled for.

Yes.

Because, you know, obviously, you know, I don't play when it comes to driving under the influence, but, you know, Karen, well, I think I was like watching some interviews and the women were very concerned about how she would do in a setting like that.

It's really sad.

I'm happy that she's, you know, done her time and is free.

And now hopefully we can get Karen back because

I need

to tell this story.

We love Karen Huger, of course,

and everyone in her family.

But no, the Potomac season looks fabulous.

Stacey Rush is finally,

and her words, and still I rise.

And still I rise.

She looks like main antagonist.

I love it.

I love it.

No, please.

And like, Wendy looked amazing.

Even Kiarna was giving something.

And I tend to think Kiarna never really gives.

Right.

But look at she was giving in the trailer.

Monique Samuels is back.

My technical first watch what happens live

on Zoom.

You were.

And I was with Candace.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

On Zoom?

And I did watch.

My first Watch What Happens Live was with Karen Huger.

That's right.

Oh, my God.

My first Watch What Happens Live with Karen.

Then I did it again with Candace.

You had done it with Monique.

Bravo, please.

I beg you, watch what happens, live bookers.

I would love to be booked with Stacey Rush on the show.

No, please.

You have to

Bowen and Stacey.

That has to happen.

Oh, my God.

I would be so happy, but also, you don't have to.

I'm sure the calendar is full.

And

who knows what I have to do?

Honestly, listen,

I got a Christmas tour.

I'd love to come back.

Though I will say when I do go and watch What Happens Live, I do find that the

I don't think of my housewives' opinions as being controversial.

And then I look at like somehow that it gets interpreted that way or whatever.

Like people think I have the worst opinions.

I don't think I have bad opinions.

I just, I'm not a Teresa fan.

That's it.

I'm entitled to that opinion.

The internet, we're not on this internet, but the internet that certain,

whatever, like the Bravo fans are a wide breadth of people.

And you do get a lot of, a lot of interesting

sunken souls.

Sunken souls is a really good way to put it.

Like, what is so wrong about my opinions?

I don't like Teresa and I don't like Giselle.

Like, watch the shows.

Watch the shows.

What shows are you watching?

They're intolerable human beings.

It's the worst.

It's like clown parade.

Along with Stephanie Shojai, sorry.

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This is I Don't Think So, honey.

This is a one minute segment where we take a little bit of time to enjoy the view.

Yes.

Yeah, right.

What we do is we knock something down in culture that's standing upright and we don't like it.

So this, I guess I have an I don't think so, honey.

Okay.

This is Mana Rogers, I don't think so, honey.

It's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, that I'm I'm so late to enjoying the U.S.

Open.

I feel like this is something in my culture that's been missing and lacking.

I'm obsessed with the U.S.

Open this year.

I got to go.

I had between four and six honey juices.

Who can remember?

It's so good.

But just the attending U.S.

Open culture, the culture around tennis, like I don't.

give it enough year round.

And suddenly I turn around and people are like, oh, we know who Yannick Center is.

We knew that Venus was coming back in double.

30 seconds.

We have like, we know the lore of like Taylor Townsend, etc.

And I'm so into this cast of characters.

It feels like tennis, like modern professional tennis, gives us a cast of characters.

And I had forgotten about that.

So I don't think so, honey, me and the way I've been, but going forward in the future, I'm going to be like Lynn Manuel.

I'm going to try to be at as much as of everything as I can be.

I'm going to, it's going to be Lynn Manuel, Anna Wentor, and Matt Rogers at every match.

If they'll have me, please.

I'll suck dick for it.

I don't think so honey and that's one minute you heard it here first he'll suck dick to be at the open I was I got to go I took Melissa yes great reaction shots from you yeah we were living I need to ask you something sure

my biggest issue with going to Arthur Ashe during the open

how was it leaving fine really oh that's that's been hell for me I will say this we were at the night match and we shut it down like you stayed?

A lot of people leave, which felt disrespectful to me during the second match.

No, you stayed for the whole thing.

So we were watching Alcaraz one.

And by the way,

he is a fine specimen of my mind.

I made my pee-pee feel hard.

Pee pee?

Pee pee feel good.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

Anyway,

anyway, so then the second match was happening and everyone had left.

Melissa and I were just jamming.

We were having honey juices.

We were vibing.

And so then, because we were last to leave.

Um, so maybe that's why, but I had such an amazing time there.

No, it's so fun.

Um, my, my only complaint, and it's not a real one, is just leaving as hell.

But, um,

with anything.

Arthur Ashe, the first time I had ever heard about the psyop now known as the viral Dubai chocolate, it was Matt Whitaker and I were there last year for, I think, women's semifinals and the quarterfinals.

And then someone comes over.

Someone, a lovely gentleman comes over and goes, have you tried the viral Dubai chocolate yet?

And we're like, what's that?

Well, here.

And then we ate it.

We're like, oh, this is pretty good.

Well, it's the viral Dubai Chocolate.

Oh, okay.

I hadn't heard that before.

So it's, it's viral.

Yes.

It's the viral Dubai chocolate.

And now it's like a fucking like internet punchline, right?

It's like, viral Dubai Chocolate, laboo boo, bubble.

It's like, it's like, I didn't know about this.

The gibberish that is now occupying all of our collective consciousness.

Like, have you had the viral Dubai chocolate?

No, I've never had it.

Oh, it's a good idea.

I've just tried the viral Dubai Chocolate.

Yes.

Okay.

I have to try that on on air.

You will have to try the Viola D by Chocolate on air.

Are you going today?

I'm going, no, tomorrow and Thursday.

Greta's, you're going with Greta, right?

She's going to be.

I'm so excited.

I'm so excited.

Yeah, it was a total

blast.

I loved going and I love tennis.

And I might take a lesson.

Oh,

I think you absolutely should.

Let's move.

Okay.

This is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey.

Is he ready?

I think so.

This, yeah, I think.

Okay, this is Boen Yang's I don't think so, honey, as time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, mother goose.

Where are the geese in the stories and the rhymes?

You are weird for making your whole thing goose, goose, goose, when I don't see a goose show up.

Maybe there is the poem, Old Mother Goose, when she wanted to wander, would ride through the air on a very fine gander that doesn't rhyme with wander and also if you're riding on a gander does that mean you're the gander 30 seconds this is and this is getting weird mother goose like i don't know what your deal is and i don't know where you i don't know what you smoked or what shrooms you embodied you munched on to come up with three little pigs with puss and boots 16 seconds Little Red Riding Hood, a wolf dressing up in grandma's clothing, animal doing old woman drag.

No, ageist.

I don't like any of this.

I think he might be.

I think if the story is you're actually a goose hiding and pretending to be a human, that's a scandal and you should be more honest about that.

And that's one minute.

I think we can all agree that mother goose, it's getting weird.

Culture number 60.

Mother goose.

Mother goose.

It's getting weird.

Weird.

You know, I was today.

I just out of nowhere laughed at Sheree Wakefield's classic of whatever happened to customer service.

Customer service.

Hi.

My name is.

Whatever happened to.

Hello.

How are you?

How are you?

My name is.

My name is.

What did you think?

Of

the song.

Of the performance.

Definitely thought it was done.

It was fun.

I like the beat.

Like the beat.

She is.

Not on the show.

Not on the show.

We missed her.

I don't know.

I'm really excited about the upcoming Salt Lake and Potomac era because I feel like

at best, those are the best.

And I'm just not,

I'm not connecting with all of them.

It's okay.

It's okay.

But

we all give them a chance.

And we sure do.

Okay.

Well,

this is a fabulous episode, I feel.

This was a fabulous episode.

And we forgot to mention that your girl's going on tour.

That's going to be fun.

Is going on tour.

I said,

come over before or after Barclays.

I'm right over there.

You'd be really local.

No, she was like, I'm coming.

I was like, great.

I'm coming.

I'm coming.

Yeah,

I think that'll be really fun.

Well, in honor of that announcement, we end every episode with a song.

Baby, I'm a needle sleep that when I'm at it.

Well, you went 3435.

I've been obsessed with 3435.

It's a great song.

Because I will say, like, all the discourse about like Sabrina like being like the funny pop star, I'm like, yes, it's true, but you didn't listen to 3435 because there's been jokes.

Math class.

Never was a big night burst, yellow earthquake, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Also, that music video, she is doing like big, comfy couch style, like splits, choreography, shooting the legs, swinging it over one side.

I'm like, go off, bitch.

Yes, such a dream comes true.

Oh, back up.

Okay, bye.

I love Ariana.

Bye.

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