"Locked In" (w/ Tate McRae)

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Speaker 1 ding dong las culturistas calling it's a big day we've sang our guest song in front of her already well because i first heard about the truly seminal, superb, I was going to say superior single two hands through you because you were saying in the group chat, oh, two hands just came on in the coffee shop, and I couldn't help it.

Speaker 1 It was a shoulder shaker in the coffee shop. What did you say? Like, you caught yourself, like, just gyrating.
You were gyrating.

Speaker 1 You were giving Tate in the coffee shop. I mean, listen, it's one of those.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really matter who's around. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Just to, we haven't acknowledged this. This is, um,

Speaker 1 and we're not like big dogging in front of our guests or anything, but we, this is our first time we've seen our Webby Award. 2024 Webby Award winner, Best Podcast, Individual Episodes, Comedy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is really good. So we were thinking that maybe our guests could present us with the award.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Table Cray, would you give us our Webby Award? Yeah, of course. What's a Webby award? Okay, so my

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Speaker 1 Anyone with any online activity is sort of up for this. Wow.
I mean,

Speaker 1 this is an individual episodic comedy episode. Congratulations.
Thank you so much. And so

Speaker 1 we're just kind of in our chairs. Yeah.
So I guess

Speaker 1 just pretend you open an envelope.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 we're nervous. The 2024 Webby Award winner goes to Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. To get this from Tate McRae.
Thank you, Tate. Congratulations, guys.
Oh, my God. Do you have a speech prepared? No, you guys.
I just want to thank Tate McRae for gifting us with this.

Speaker 1 We couldn't have got it from someone that's more important to culture at this moment. And this is going to dovetail into our intro.

Speaker 1 So close to what? We are in the so close to what era? We're in the so close to what we're in the mispossessive era, mispossessive tour era, as it were. And we've been in the era.

Speaker 1 We've been in the era. Okay.
I think by the time this episode comes out, we've gotten to listen to the album early.

Speaker 1 Album comes out February 21st. Hitting.
Hitting. Tour starts March 18th.

Speaker 1 Even Pisces season tour. It's a Pisces season tour.
No, I think it's just right after Pisces.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about it. Yeah, right after.
We got to talk about your signs. And

Speaker 1 please. We got to talk about your signs.

Speaker 1 There's some stuff to that too.

Speaker 1 We bring out the tarot cards. We don't know shit.

Speaker 1 She is

Speaker 1 someone who we've spoken about on this podcast as an equally balanced three-header.

Speaker 1 Just three hyphen it. I guess it's it's two hyphens, but it's three titles.
Singer, songwriter, dancer, all three.

Speaker 1 She's truly incredible. The album hadn't come out.
Thank later it hadn't come out when you were on SNL, right? No, I was still making it. You were still making it.
Yeah. I'd heard greedy,

Speaker 1 obviously, had heard you broke me first. I was like, I like this take.
Oh, the first time I heard Tate was on you was on Troy's track. Great song.

Speaker 1 Great song. And then she comes on SNL.
And then it's whatever.

Speaker 1 We'll bring her her in first and then I want to just want to tell you about this moment because it was truly an earth-shaking moment for everybody at SNL. Okay.
But we love her so much.

Speaker 1 Listen to the album out February 21st. Please welcome into your ears.
Tama Craig.

Speaker 1 Thank you for putting up with our bullshit and giving us our award. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 I didn't know when to come in. I was like, should I sit back? We actually do, we do that intro for everyone.

Speaker 1 And it's actually since we've started doing video, people get really upset because they see the person sitting there. It's sort of like, it's not just like usual.

Speaker 1 I thought it was like a closed conversation. It was a closed conversation.
Everyone, the tots are going to be out there being like, why the fuck are they wasting her time? But never

Speaker 1 to like sort of create a really nice fan community has to feel good. It does.
Yeah. Yeah, they're great.
They're not an exception to the rule. Feels like every fandom is like a little bit mean.

Speaker 1 They're terrifying. All stands, I think, are a little terrifying.
Yeah. How do we get here? Were you ever a terrifying stand for someone?

Speaker 1 When did you get closest?

Speaker 1 Honestly, I think the closest like fangirl i've been is like to ariana grande yeah like i've just been obsessed with her for a very long time

Speaker 1 and i yeah she's like the closest i think i've gotten and then maybe like rihan like yeah i feel like those two are like the girls that i'll like die for sorry nator and navy but like because this is the thing like i'm sure the britany comparisons are like flattering but at the same time you were like a zygote when she was like out there like already very popular i was thinking about that how like a lot of the millennial gays are like it's britney 2.0 like get on board and i'm like i wonder how you feel about that because she wasn't it wasn't like us where it was like we remember when britney came out yeah i think comparisons are just hard because yeah like obviously every person that comes onto the scene they instantly get a comparison these people just like familiarity yeah but i think it it's just hard because like you can't create like recreate great art like that like it's a new thing i bring this up not to like reiterate this but I'm just saying like you stand R because that is your generation of like coming up watching Nickelodeon being like, oh my God, I love her.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And it wasn't necessarily Britney at the time because you were like

Speaker 1 still like

Speaker 1 a baby, like zero. A true baby.
Totally. Literally.
Zero years old.

Speaker 1 Baby vibes. Yeah.
Yeah. Do you miss being a baby? A little bit.
I want a baby baby. I want to be baby.
I'm not that naive as like being that naive is. is a nice feeling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of want to be an iPad baby more than anything else. But I don't.
Why is that? Just a baby that's on the iPad. Right.
And they're in heaven, but their brains are crying. They are frying.

Speaker 1 They're frying.

Speaker 1 Like a baby that just can absolutely slay a device.

Speaker 1 I think that's most babies nowadays. It's crazy, really.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tate, do you think the slutty glasses are the accessory of the year?

Speaker 1 The little, these will be the same.

Speaker 1 Like everyone wears, and as someone who's not wearing the bags. I'm calling these the slutty glasses.
These are not the slutty glasses, but I'm saying everyone's wearing the slutty glasses now.

Speaker 1 And I feel like you really pushed that forward in a huge way and be so proud. Yes, thank you.
I love the slutty glass, I think it's really nice. Right.
Um, why are you wearing them now?

Speaker 1 Um, I didn't think it really fit the

Speaker 1 fit.

Speaker 1 Today's a classy day. Wow.

Speaker 1 Today's not a slutty day. Did I say that to you? Today's not a slutty day.
Yeah. It's a classy day.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you for classing it up. Of course.

Speaker 1 Have you met Ariana yet? No, I haven't. Really?

Speaker 1 Okay, let's look at her. Look how it Please, is, please.

Speaker 1 Great. Do you have a favorite Ari era? I mean, Dangerous Woman was like, Yeah, it was like my shit.
I just think that Intu is like the best pop song ever created.

Speaker 1 Have you gone on record to say this before? Because I actually don't think so. This is this can unite, this can heal the nation's wounds.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Because we can all agree across generations that Intu is one of the best pop songs ever written. I truly think it is one of the best of all time.

Speaker 1 And I think it like didn't at first get the recognition that it deserves. No, I do think it was actually pop perfection.

Speaker 1 And I remember talking to Ely about it, who produced the song, and he was like, We crafted it over such a long time. And that was like, oh, it's perfect.
The perfect chorus is insane. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's, it's a, it's a perfect song. So I think Dangerous Woman was like my favorite.
There's also just like little album cuts that when I was younger were just like my shit. Like

Speaker 1 just like in the car, like really feeling them, like thinking about you. And I tossed my love thinking about you.
And touch it are just like

Speaker 1 touch it.

Speaker 1 I almost feel like because into you looms so large and people talk about that song, even though it like was a single and people agree it didn't get the shine, the song that gets lost is touch it.

Speaker 1 I fully agree. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like

Speaker 1 so good. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Wait, Ilya was, it's okay, I'm okay.

Speaker 1 So talk about that. This is the first time working with him, right? I've worked with him a couple.
No, no, he did stuff on the last album.

Speaker 1 He, I've worked with him like a couple times, but we haven't released that many records together. I write all the time.
Yeah. Yeah.
But this was like one of my first first ones I wrote with him.

Speaker 1 When I first became like super aware of you was You Broke Me First. And do you want to know why? It's because I was scrolling and Kelly Clarkson had covered You Broke Me First on her show.

Speaker 1 And I remember she did like a different arrangement of it. Like she did like a more like, I guess.
Kelly Clarkson rendered it.

Speaker 1 But the lyrics were jumping out. And I was like, I I get why she picked this song because

Speaker 1 the lyrics are great. And you're such a great writer.

Speaker 1 And I feel like sometimes in the dance of it all, like when you see someone like slaying as hard and executing on such a level as you are, people aren't realizing that there's like real writing going on.

Speaker 1 Have you been doing that since before you started like taking dance as seriously? Or was it always like an equal passion?

Speaker 1 Or is that something that you discovered when you realized like recorded music could be a thing? Well, I started off as a dancer.

Speaker 1 So trained super intensely since I was eight years old, like 40 hours a week. Like I was at a ballet school.
I was going to say, you're ballet trained. That's intense.

Speaker 1 Like six hours of ballet a day, like very intense. At one point, I like literally went to Berlin to become a ballerina.
Like,

Speaker 1 and then I was like, this isn't for me. Yeah.
Because it was so difficult. Yeah.
I mean, I was 12 at the time. I was like competing in ballet.
Like, I was just like, I need to, I was so creative.

Speaker 1 I just needed to like not do the same thing every day. Yeah.
And then it was there, you think you could dance after that? Yeah, I did. So you think you can dance at age 13.

Speaker 1 And then when I was 13, so yeah, I was competing my whole life. Dance was like everything to me.
I was like, there's, this is the only thing I'm going to do in my life is dance.

Speaker 1 And then I went on, so you think you can dance and moved to LA for two and a half months. And then got back home to Calgary.
And I was, I was just like, I am so bored. Like, I was just on TV, right?

Speaker 1 You came third place? Yeah, it was, it was a really crazy two and a half months. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you were in it till the bitter end. We were in it to the end.
And I was like the only Canadian on this like American voted show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, which is kind of impressive to place third. Yeah, it was, it was weird.
Like none of my friends or family could like vote in the show. Like, wow.

Speaker 1 I'm like, well, fuck, this sucks.

Speaker 1 But yeah, so I got home and I started this YouTube channel and I was like, I'm going to choreograph dances every week and post them every Friday and post them on YouTube.

Speaker 1 And then one day my camera broke and I was like, fuck, my camera broke. Like, this is ruined.
Like, my Friday posting isn't happening. So then I locked myself in my bedroom.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, I'm just going to write a song.

Speaker 1 And so I taught myself how to play the chords of tequila by Dan and Shea. Wow, great work.

Speaker 1 Great song. Wow.

Speaker 1 And I started playing these like C chords and then wrote this song in like two hours and then showed my parents and they were like, absolutely not. You cannot like put this on.

Speaker 1 Why? Why? What was that? Because there was like, this is like not good. Like, they didn't get it at the time.
But you were in this zone. You were locked the fuck in.
I was locked in. Two hours.

Speaker 1 You wrote a song. I was locked in.
They were like, can you please shut up? I was singing so much. And then

Speaker 1 blew up overnight and just became that song. That song blew up overnight, like, got called by like 14 record labels within like two weeks.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, like, I was like, like, okay, maybe I should like start songwriting more.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.
But I feel like there was a time when

Speaker 1 dance got kind of compartmentalized into something else. And then you merged the two, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so then after, eventually when I released You Broke Me First at age 16, I was still in high school finishing homeschooling and finishing everything and then doing dance on one side and then singing on the other side.

Speaker 1 My career started to like pick up a little bit. And, but I was stuck at home in COVID.

Speaker 1 So I started this like singing career, but I was like, dance is just so separate. Like this isn't a thing that should be mixed.

Speaker 1 Like, and so I just never knew how to connect the dots. I was just like, this will be the one side of me.
And then the other side of me is just a thing of the past. Right.

Speaker 1 Um, and then obviously as I grew up, like 17, 18, 19, I was just like, something is like really missing. And then I ended up like

Speaker 1 being like, I want to do pop more intensely. And yeah.

Speaker 1 And so then I feel like I've like finally found a perfect mesh of like dance and singing so what happened at snl was you came in on thursday yeah what happened i want to know your perspective it's just we because we get the feed the camera feed upstairs on the 17th floor as we're writing and doing rewrites for the week it was jason mamo as your host yeah that was a fun show it was fun he was like giving everybody his like new vodka did he give you a bottle of vodka by home okay thank god because you were a minor yeah um but you were on the bleachers you were doing greedy yeah and everyone was like, it reminded me of when we, when BTS came and like they were doing their dances and everyone was like, ah, but something's happening.

Speaker 1 Like something about dance on that stage is really, really powerful. Right.
And you were doing it like throwing.

Speaker 1 I love. I was going crazy.

Speaker 1 Because,

Speaker 1 and this is a crazy comparison, but I've been watching like old Jackie Chan movies and like that man uses his body like a fucking Swiss army knife and you were doing the same. I was like, you were

Speaker 1 going off and we were all screaming and with joy being like, this girl is amazing.

Speaker 1 And it was this moment in the writer's room where we were all like, we're just freaking out over you. Really? I was so nervous.
I would imagine. It also just feels like on that stage is so small.

Speaker 1 So tiny. That like doing a dance break, I was like, is this kind of weird?

Speaker 1 I didn't know. No.

Speaker 1 I really didn't know because I was just like, oh my God, is this like a little extra to like be doing a full dance break on like a little box?

Speaker 1 But I get, because it is so much smaller than you think. When you go in there, you're like, wait, this is the whole asset.

Speaker 1 And also the sound in there is very like, it's weird. The weird.

Speaker 1 It's just a little empty sounding. Totally.
Like it's like full, but then also empty in a way. Like I could hear every sneaker like,

Speaker 1 that's so cool.

Speaker 1 This sounds like crazy. Well, because it's like basically like, we call them the bleachers, as it were, but it's like a mezzanine and it's wide.
And then the floor audience is like to your left. Yes.

Speaker 1 And so you're performing this way, but most of the audience is like in this concentration. And it's just.
You're not really performing to the audience. No.
And or to the cameras in a way.

Speaker 1 It's hard to parse it out. But like

Speaker 1 did like the experience on like a show, like on TV show help with that before or no? I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The weird part about dancing and singing is when I was a dancer, I used to like hold all my nerves in my throat. Uh-huh.
Oh, right.

Speaker 1 And then I could just cough on stage and like no one would hear me because the music was loud.

Speaker 1 You're an asthma legend. I'm an asthma legend.
So that's a crazy

Speaker 1 title of an asthma legend. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Did you embrace it or

Speaker 1 did I say something insane? No, I do embrace it. Thank you.
Yeah. I mean, it stuck with me.
You've had to embrace it. I had to, yes.
Of course. Because I just heard you talk about your inhaler.

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Speaker 1 Is greedy the song that changed everything? Yes. Yeah, I think you broke me first changed like a little bit.
And then Greedy, I think, changed just like the way people like maybe looked at me. Right.

Speaker 1 Just because they didn't know I danced.

Speaker 1 That part, that's, I guess, what I mean is it's like, when I say changed everything, I'm specifically talking about like the way that you fuse both sides of your creativity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because honestly, when I heard you broke me first, it would never have crossed my mind that you were not only a dancer, but the best dancer.

Speaker 1 Then when I found out, you know, she came from So You Think You Could Dance, I was like, huh? Because it really is. It's a polar opposite.
It's so polar opposite. And so then you make this decision.

Speaker 1 And is it greedy a song that unlocked things? Or was it like that just the single and that group of things? I think it unlocked a lot for me.

Speaker 1 I think figuring out how to write over a beat that I would actually dance to was like

Speaker 1 mission impossible for me. Like I was just like, I write ballads and I know how to write over piano and chords and things things that make me feel things.

Speaker 1 And then I basically just had to train myself to write over beats. Yeah.
And it's hard. It's just like learning how to do something.

Speaker 1 Even the style of songwriting is changing because you've also said that like you like doing your set of chords, but now it's like songwriting now is like, it's got to take a weird little turn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's unpredictable. Yeah.
Is it hard to keep up with? I mean, yeah, I think you're. It's just times are different now.
Like I used to write songs for my middle school and high school emotional self.

Speaker 1 And that was just like my form of expression and very therapeutic for me. And now it's like my career.
So it feels like now I envision it on tour.

Speaker 1 I envision it like, I think there's just like way more components that come into the songwriting room that just change it for me.

Speaker 1 And that's like very inspiring thinking about tour and thinking about performances while you're writing. It has to be different.
It has to be different.

Speaker 1 Because I would imagine like, will you, will you break it down and like do like an not to reveal what you're going to be doing, but like, will you give an acoustic set?

Speaker 1 Like, is that something that excites you? Yeah, I love acoustic sets too. Yeah, because then it feels like that full side of me that you know isn't like the right one I usually do on stage.

Speaker 1 Because you would imagine that it's like, like, I'm someone that knew you from You Broke Me First, and what struck me at first, because I wasn't even hearing you sing it, I was hearing Kelly sing it.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, these lyrics are great. And also, for that to be one of your early songs, it's kind of complicated that like,

Speaker 1 it's like, it's kind of like complicated. It is complicated.
And so, the songwriting jumped out to me first. And then,

Speaker 1 but, but probably the world first like heard you on greedy and like knows you as a dancer.

Speaker 1 So this probably people, most people don't know that you're going to give the songwriting depth that you're going to give. So that's going to be exciting for people to discover at the show.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think my, my real fans know that. Sometimes it is difficult because people only see like me doing a dance break online and they'll be like, she never sings.

Speaker 1 Me, I'm singing this whole show. Yeah, I've been singing.
I've been singing.

Speaker 1 And some of them they just like they only see the dance break. So then I'm just like, oh, like, oh, it's sometimes like, you need to watch the whole show.
You don't know.

Speaker 1 You don't know the whole picture. I think, I think the rollout for this album has been like

Speaker 1 mission accomplished. It's like, it's like, it is all living in the same space.
Thank you. Because like, it's okay.
I'm okay. Like, the first time I saw it, I was like, oh my God, she's

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 she's Tets out getting arrested.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 it's a pop moment. It's a pop moment.
And then

Speaker 1 we went there. And then

Speaker 1 two hands. I'm like, this is, this is the best thing I've ever seen.
Yeah, it's really great. Thank you.
Do you have a car thing?

Speaker 1 It was mostly just because I feel like the album was like a lot of it just was around like these road visuals.

Speaker 1 Every time that I would like write a song, I would just envision like a never-ending road. And maybe that was because I was literally on the road all year and like felt like things were never ending.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I had that like constant visual in my head.
So when I heard two hands, I was like, we could do a video like this. That could be really sick.
It's gas station.

Speaker 1 And then sports car just happened to be named sports car. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. You literally, you're saying tour felt never ending.
You just finished. Yeah.
You're, you're about to go back. Yeah.
How does that sit with you?

Speaker 1 I mean, luckily, I love tour. Yeah.
I think it's very fun. This is also my first time doing arenas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, which has been like a lifelong dream of mine so i'm very like excited for that you have to be it's like feels like a new chapter i also as a dancer i feel like you are just used to just like never stopping oh i get that so yeah the pace of life is is it will be daunting for anyone but it's something that you're accustomed to yeah i think so as a dancer because the ballet training is like you might as well be living in like a nunnery that's like so

Speaker 1 disciplined it is it's crazy it's exhausting.

Speaker 1 Honestly, that ballerinas, I think, have like one of the hardest jobs in the world. Right.
Yeah. This is easier to do.
Sometimes being a pop star feels a little easier in some way.

Speaker 1 Like a little bit. Oh, yeah.
Like a little more relaxing.

Speaker 1 Do you find that you can connect with like other pop girls? Because I would have like, because it sounds like, of course, for fans being like, oh, like they think about the pop girly thing.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, there's that discussion, obviously, about like Charlie and Lorde and like them bridging the gap and everything. How have you felt it's been like entering that lexicon of people?

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Of like pop girls. Yeah.
Do you feel like there's like support and it's cool? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, we luckily, I think right now are in a time of just like, there's so much hate on the internet and so much hate in the world that like internally, it's just like very supportive, the most supportive.

Speaker 1 And all we want to do is see each other win. Yeah.
Like all my friends and I, we just have very wholesome relationships. Like anytime we hang out, it's just very wholesome.

Speaker 1 And I think that's very lucky right now because it is like, we all know how much we get like beat up on the internet.

Speaker 1 So it's like nice to have friends that like are actually real and that's demonic outside of your like little cookie circle. Yeah.
So literally you're like, oh, what should we do? Should we knit?

Speaker 1 Like, it's literally like very sweet. Because the only thing you guys have in common is that you are getting insane energy from the internet.
Yeah. That is the only thing you guys

Speaker 1 music

Speaker 1 in that circumstance, you know what I mean? Like that is like that's the thing. Yeah, it is, it is weird.
It is weird because sometimes like you're just like, I just started writing for fun and then

Speaker 1 it becomes this fucking thing. It becomes huge.

Speaker 1 You're like, whoa, like you don't expect to get, we know that you're like meant to be judged and music is subjective, but you never expect like the personal attacks.

Speaker 1 The war that breaks out. You're like, oh, this is a huge deal for no reason.
Right. And that is crazy.

Speaker 1 Was Amy Allen,

Speaker 1 she was, she was, she was on Think Later too? Or you guys were working together even before that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I started working with her on Think Later and this album. And this album.
I feel like she's getting this like shine now because of the Grammy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She just won and like working through you and like Sabrina. It's like, talk about that process because it seems like you two are very keyed into each other in terms of like the work ethic.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, Amy Allen is one of the most talented songwriters I've ever met in my life. She's so incredible, such a badass girl.
I worked with her and Julia Michaels a lot on this album.

Speaker 1 I think it's just interesting. Like, no one understands a girl perspective quite like another girl.
So, like, you can like have other producers in the room, but it's just like, she gets it.

Speaker 1 Like, I can kind of just like say, this is happening with my boyfriend. I'm like,

Speaker 1 and she'll be like, oh my God, exactly the same. And it's easier to like put into words.
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 But it is, it's very inspiring.

Speaker 1 We have two different like processes in songwriting and obviously different perspectives cuz we're just have grown up differently so it's it's been really fun I just feel like I get new knowledge every time I work with her so when you guys are together is it like she hops on the keys and like wait what is it like

Speaker 1 a jam

Speaker 1 literally like sometimes when I see these people like I just wonder like who actually plays in the room you know I mean the process to me is what's so

Speaker 1 interesting. Okay, well, it kind of depends.

Speaker 1 So if I'm in the studio alone and I'm just writing on my own, someone will play chords or whatever, and I'll like sit in the corner for like a couple hours, right, go into the studio track, and that's it.

Speaker 1 If I'm with like a co-writer, like an Amy or a Julia or a Ryan, usually we'll start a beat or whatever. We'll kind of get like the vibe for the song.
Then we'll discuss what the song is about. I see.

Speaker 1 Because you both need to be on the same page. Right.
You're working towards the same goal. Right.

Speaker 1 And then it usually just becomes like this, like, you find the magic at some point of what the song is and what you both relate relate on.

Speaker 1 And then you kind of just like spit back and forth, like different lyrics back and forth and until the song is like built.

Speaker 1 But a lot of times it like starting with a beat and a track and then like a feeling develops around it. For sure.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there a preference on a style? Is it like, is solo? Because speaking, I mean, this is not quite the same thing. Like I always prefer writing with people.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When it comes to like, you know, comedy or show or scripts or whatever. It's like, I've learned to like not feel so bad about like, oh, I don't do so well on my own.

Speaker 1 But like, like, do you have one preference?

Speaker 1 It's honestly just different. Like

Speaker 1 you, other people have different strengths. Like Ryan Tedder is so good at a pop chorus.
Like,

Speaker 1 and that is his strength.

Speaker 1 So I'm just like, God, if I'm talking about like melodically? Yeah. Like, if I want to walk into a room and I want to write a pop song, like Ryan, Amy, those are like.

Speaker 1 pop choruses that like yes usually write the first thing they sing is like feels really good.

Speaker 1 But if I'm writing something that I feel like is hard to communicate, like sometimes I feel like I can't really, I have a hard time discussing my emotions. Totally.

Speaker 1 So explaining it to someone is really even more complicated. So what I do is I need to be alone.
I need to like have my subconscious thoughts like spit it out for me.

Speaker 1 And then I can like find perspective on the situation, the relationship. Because I just really am not great at communicating.
And that's like why I started writing in the first place.

Speaker 1 So, but if I have like a concept it's less deep deep deep in the back of your head then it's it's fine with another person. Yeah, because either way you're just making sense of what the song is about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Whether it's just you needing to like spill it out, like spill for a couple hours, or that you're like reconvening with Ryan and Amy and Julia to be like, what is this going to be?

Speaker 1 It's the same destination. And there's a lot of times where concepts are really obvious and they're like, oh, this is what I need to write about, whatever.

Speaker 1 And then there's a lot of times where you can only find perspective at the end of the process because then you figure out what you actually meant.

Speaker 1 And that just takes a lot of digging. Like, and that's where I need to be alone.

Speaker 1 But, but, like, if it is an obvious like concept and it's just like a something that is happening in my everyday life, there's some things that are sometimes like buried so deep that you're just like, I don't even know where this came from.

Speaker 1 What's an example of an obvious concept on the album? I would say an obvious concept,

Speaker 1 like a song called Signs. I love

Speaker 1 that. We both said that was one of our favorites.
Signs is like the most obvious because I'm like, okay, you can you please fucking read my mind.

Speaker 1 Like, this is you know, you need to just like do better. Yeah, you need to be able to read me.
Yes, if this is gonna move forward, I shouldn't have to do anything.

Speaker 1 No, literally, like you should just know I get it. Yeah, you should know already.
So, this was me and Amy walking in. It was a five-minute combo being like, literally, read my mind.

Speaker 1 And then we started writing the song. So, that was very obvious.
Right. Yes.
Quick conversation, nothing too deep. I would say a song like purple lace bra

Speaker 1 took a second to like, it was me writing some concepts on my own and then came into the room and I cracked it with Amy because I had an idea and she helped me like shape it a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that one was like a little less obvious.

Speaker 1 So just like connect all this to when you were younger, because like songwriter is something you find out of like the camera breaking.

Speaker 1 But before that, like, you're doing dance, and we'll ask you, like, the

Speaker 1 central question of the podcast in a second.

Speaker 1 But I just wonder, like, as someone who was around, you know, girls doing dance contests all the time, and like, that was such a fun thing that we all did with each other as kids. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, did you have a long period of dance being really fun for you before it became like a job? And if so, or if not, how did you find the fun in it again?

Speaker 1 Um, I've always just been obsessed with dance. Yeah.
So it never got like, it's too much on the schedule. Like I'm hating dance right now.
It's not really.

Speaker 1 It only started to get ugly at like age 16, 17, where I was like, I want to go to high school. I hear you.
And I want to be a kid.

Speaker 1 And I remember feeling that was like, I want to go to school with my brother. I want to go to a party.
Yeah. I want to drink alcohol.

Speaker 1 I want to like, it was just like that feeling of like, I need to be normal. Right.

Speaker 1 And yet you have this extraordinary gift and opportunity. Yeah, it was like, it was a catch-22 because I felt like the coolest I ever felt was when I was like in my element.

Speaker 1 Like I didn't feel like cool in school or like my personality always felt like a little awkward. And so I was like, oh, I'll feel myself when I am in my art and in my craft.

Speaker 1 And that's when people will like fully understand me. So it was weird because then I went to high school and I was like, oh my God, like now I have even more feelings because I feel so out of place.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was like, I'm not at ballet school anymore.
And so then it drove me after that to like, you know, I think really get into it again. Like to go back to it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because high school is a fucking beast. Beast.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I still think looking back, it was the hardest time. Yeah.
And they tried to, they've really tried to make you think this is the best four years ever. You're always going to want to be that.

Speaker 1 You couldn't pay me. To go back.
No. No, I felt the same.
High school was interesting. Calgary high school was interesting.
Like, like, what's the vibe in Calgary high school

Speaker 1 probably the same

Speaker 1 like jay come

Speaker 1 no honestly it was like i don't it was like normal it was just like the vibe okay because i grew up in a first a quick little second i grew up in brossard and in mon in quebec oh whoa okay and maybe it's a french canadian thing but it's like it always seemed a little bit ironically it seemed a little bit grittier Okay.

Speaker 1 Like more in your face, but that's maybe the French, the French Canada thing. Like probably Calgary.
i don't know but calgary feels like

Speaker 1 it's like it's not it's not bc

Speaker 1 it's like

Speaker 1 it feels like for real canada it's like real canada you know what i mean it is the streets

Speaker 1 it's the streets of canada

Speaker 1 yeah the one street the one street wait so okay so but it just it was rough it was just hard it was it made you feel like it made us feel like crazy yeah it did it does did make me feel a little crazy because i was just like oh i feel really out of place yeah and i

Speaker 1 I feel so,

Speaker 1 I thought I like overthought and overanalyzed myself before this. Now I'm like, my personality is like the biggest problem in the world.

Speaker 1 So but would you say like, did that feed the songwriting at all? Yeah. So that, that's when I like really started to, I mean, I loved writing since I was a little kid.

Speaker 1 I'd write short stories and poems all the time, but that's when I really started to get into songwriting because I felt so fucking crazy. And I was just like, people need to understand me.

Speaker 1 It's like the second or third time you've said that. It's like about being understood.

Speaker 1 It's not about being like impressive or anything, which I think is so interesting because your skills are so impressive, but it's not about that.

Speaker 1 It's about more you getting yourself across and being understood. For sure.

Speaker 1 That's what it has always been for me is just like literally not being able to explain myself and then being able to explain myself fully through dance and singing and feeling so seen exactly how I want.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's weird.
You feel like when you listen to your albums, like, is that the number one thing you want?

Speaker 1 It's like, I feel like I got myself across there like or what is it that's the goal yeah i think it's hard to do that because sometimes you're so locked in a bubble that of perfecting songs that you're just like whoa what was that yeah but that's i think at the end of the day the goal out of every album i think last album you were like i have a harder time writing from a place of like joy and happiness because i is that still true yeah i think

Speaker 1 you need

Speaker 1 to hurt no no no no

Speaker 1 no no no no no

Speaker 1 and i asked that in such a crazy way i'm just saying like because you do write from this place of like, I need to get these emotions out. I need to process in this way.

Speaker 1 And I don't need to process happiness because I'm feeling happy. It's hard to be driven by

Speaker 1 express. You know, I am a, I think I'm a pretty happy person.
Like, I,

Speaker 1 I asked that in such a crazy way. I'm just like, no, no, it was a great way.
I mean, it's exactly what it is. I feel like I'm a very normally happy and like stable person.

Speaker 1 But then there's like one little hole inside of me that's so fucking sad. Yeah.
And I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, that's what I write from. Do you get closer to figuring it out? Like, is it like, what is it? Is it men?

Speaker 1 Has it been men? Well, it's not now. The answer is always yes.

Speaker 1 No, I really don't know what it is. It's always like, it's been since I was like a little, little kid.
It might be because I'm a cancer. Yeah.
Okay. I am

Speaker 1 cancer, Pisces, Scorpio.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're a Pisces. Yeah, Scorpio.
Okay. Yeah.
What? I know more about Pisces than I do Scorpio.

Speaker 1 Scorpio is the dark Pisces. Whoa.
And I say that

Speaker 1 in like all positive ways.

Speaker 1 Like Scorpio has the edge that Pisces can't muster up. And I feel that way about cancer, too.
That we don't have the edge. No, no, no, no, no.
You guys do have the edge. You are eight cancer queens.

Speaker 1 Right. We're like a little spicy, but really sensitive.
But mostly protective. Right.
Like, so that's the hard shell. Whereas like Scorpio, it's more of the stinger.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's like, Scorpio, don't cross because, I mean, I always say about him, he doesn't doesn't suffer fools. Right.

Speaker 1 Whereas I'm like, I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt until, and blame myself until I'm like a puddle. Right.
But Cancer and Pisces get along really well. Same with Scorpio.

Speaker 1 We all get along really well.

Speaker 1 We're the three water signs. Yeah.
Kind of cool. We all belong splashing around together.
We do in the ocean. And we can protect each other, but also open each other up.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I feel like when you do write from a place of joy and happiness, it like, it is a huge sort of success because like two hands, I feel like is so joyful. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Well, I think then that clicks into my like performer side.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it feels like my alter ego feels like my side on tour, feels like the mode that isn't my like sensitive self is like what I turn on when it's time to perform. Yes.

Speaker 1 And that's if I'm going to write that kind of song, I have to be in that headspace.

Speaker 1 So my question is, like, when, when you are like creating a record that like pretty much already beforehand, because you've had such huge success on streaming and radio and everything and you're such an exciting artist and you're creating a new album is there the pressure every time to go in there and like write a hit or is it more just about like today we're writing a single or like today we're writing we're trying to fill out like something that i want to explore like i guess how intentional is the process of writing something that's meant to catch i mean it's so hard because I try not to approach it that way because you just want to like go in and experiment for like months.

Speaker 1 And then there hits a point where your label's like, okay. Where's the single though? Experimentation is done.
Like,

Speaker 1 where's the single? And then it becomes really fucking stressful because then you're just like, oh my God, what's the song? And this is where I become the most indecisive person. Of course.

Speaker 1 Like my team wants to shoot me when I'm picking a single because I can't decide.

Speaker 1 But isn't it so crazy though that like that they do turn to you and then they're like, I mean, even for me in my like comedy album I'm like what do I know?

Speaker 1 They turned to me and they were like so what's the single and I was like, oh, I was supposed to pick

Speaker 1 like isn't that don't you feel like

Speaker 1 it's kind of nice that it's your responsibility, but also you're like, oh gosh, you're so close to it. You can't see it.
It's like you can't see your own work when you're in the middle of creating it.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 many words and jumbles and you're like hearing yourself talk and sing back. That's like you can't pick

Speaker 1 you can't pick from it. It's also like such a ready-made drag from the fan community.
Like, oh, she picked the wrong single. You know what I mean? That's the worst fear.

Speaker 1 And we, we, as like people that talk about pop culture like all the time, like, we're guilty of it. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, when our fave, like, in retrospect, like, clearly should have picked something else as the first single. It's like, you know, you, you're like, it's like a thing, but

Speaker 1 it's not as easy as

Speaker 1 hearing the hit. You can't read people's minds.
It's a special skill, and I don't have it. I like you have it.
I literally cannot pick a single. It's so not obvious to me.
It all sounds the same.

Speaker 1 But that shouldn't be part of your job. No,

Speaker 1 that sucks. It is literally part of my job.
Yeah. And a very important part.
Yeah. How have you felt about the singles this go-round? Like, are you excited about the ones you picked? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think everything happens for a reason.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what's the reason? The reason is, like, I think you can always have doubts about songs, not like things about some songs, like things about other songs, and wish.

Speaker 1 The worst worst part is like, you love things, and then it's like the week to release, you know, this is the worst fucking song I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 Just because you've listened to it too much at that point? Yes. And now you're just like processing it too much.
But

Speaker 1 I think singles have it for a reason. I think they've like, they make sense and the album will make it all come together.
Yeah. Yeah.
Do you have a favorite song? Off the album? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, what's the one you can't wait for everyone to get to? Okay, I'm excited for Blood on My Hands. Yeah.
And I'm excited for like I do because I feel like it's a little different.

Speaker 1 Like I do is great. Flow Millie, I've loved forever.
Yeah, she's great. She's got like,

Speaker 1 she does sound great. I've just also never done a song like that with a rapper.
Right. Yeah, that's really good.
Is it your first time with like a hip-hop feature?

Speaker 1 Oh, great. I know.
That's

Speaker 1 fun. Major.
Yeah. Major laser.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I want to shout out Green Light because the bridge on that,

Speaker 1 is it a vocal effect? Because there's like a,

Speaker 1 like, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Sick.

Speaker 1 thank you I love green light too I think that was another one of our favorites signs and green light were the ones we shouted out green light was one that I wrote on my own that was a hidden one where I was like I don't know how I feel right now in this relationship and not in a not in a bad way not in like I don't know how I feel it was more or less just being like what am I feeling and what I had felt was I was like still hurt from a past relationship yeah and then I was like fuck I feel like I'm like waiting at a a green light and I literally just can't press the gas gas.

Speaker 1 Wow. And I thought that was such a weird feeling.
And that was like the road metaphor. But that one was, that one was much right.
I like that one too.

Speaker 1 There's like, there's, wow, like the poetry in that is like huge. Thank you.
Yeah. I feel that way so many times.
Yeah. It's just, it's hard to believe in yourself.

Speaker 1 Like it's hard to believe that you're like, yeah, sure, you're giving me the go-ahead, but is it going to be worth it once you like really get on the ride with me? Totally. That's, and it's scary.

Speaker 1 Of course. Yeah.
And also, you just like can't unhear or undo things that have happened to you in the past. No, you can't.
They're just stuck with you. Like you are now just a reflection of your past.

Speaker 1 And you have to learn how to like have a better experience and overshadow that or, you know, fall in love again and feel the good things again. But you have to like.

Speaker 1 jump off first before you fall in love. I think the scary thing is it's like when you see how much you can give and how much it can go away, it's like, why would you ever do that again? I know.

Speaker 1 And also knowing that the people who give you the most, also, you lose the most from them because they gave the most it's so weird like you never do this with friendships or with things in life where

Speaker 1 you are the closest person and then it's all of a sudden just like nothing yeah like that is so shocking to the system it's a death like it is a death it's heartbreak is so awful yeah there's like oh i was talking about this the other day and i was just like that was one of the like worst feelings ever like any type of heartbreaks you're just like what is this

Speaker 1 i shouldn't care this much but i care so much you care care so much because also it's like, because it's not actually a death,

Speaker 1 then people come in with their opinions on like, you know, how much, what you should be doing to get over it, how much time is okay, but it's literally grief. It is the loss of a person.

Speaker 1 And you wouldn't talk about someone's grief about an actual like loss to death in that way. So I don't think people should necessarily be judging it.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, like every time I think of myself in my past being like, girl, come on, move on. Like, you know what it is.
It's like now that I've been through stuff, like, you can't. You can't.

Speaker 1 I've never gotten into like the, it takes this long to get over something this. What do they say? Like, half the duration of what it was.
It's like, really? That's wrong. It's just wrong.
It is wrong.

Speaker 1 Don't listen to people who tell you that. I agree.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so it's time for us to ask the question that we ask of all of our guests. This is, Tate McRae, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is when you can pinpoint.

Speaker 1 I think I started to become myself when that moment of pop culture like entered my life. Okay, I've thought long and hard about this because I'm really not like that into pop culture.

Speaker 1 Okay, but I will say like one moment, I was like a big Disney channel kid when I was younger.

Speaker 1 And I really do think that that shaped my personality. And I remember that Hannah Montana was life-changing for me.
For sure.

Speaker 1 Just like me being like, well, I have to become a pop girl now.

Speaker 1 I have no other option. Like, I have to become a pop star now because that is so sick.

Speaker 1 I will have a place where I can put that version of me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She kind of was doing what you talked about, which is like, I do want to be a kid, but also I know I'm a superstar and that's how they'll understand me. Totally.

Speaker 1 So yeah, no, that's how I kind of felt like in high school. Like not to that extent, of course, but like a little bit.
Did that open up like country music for you too in a way or no?

Speaker 1 Like, did it make me want to do country music? Or just like, did it give you an appreciation?

Speaker 1 Like, you're like, Billy Ray, like, who's this man who's this man i can see doing country i would you know what i can too because calgary for some reason is kind of country like we have like this one month in the summertime where literally the whole place is like haystacks

Speaker 1 cowboy hats

Speaker 1 only country music isn't there a festival yeah stampede yeah so weird like it's just for one month like awesome the whole town goes like goes country straight country there's yeah whatever so i'm like actually into country music yeah but i did feel that like coming home, like when Miley would come home and she'd sing the climb and she'd

Speaker 1 take off her wings. She'd be like, it's just me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just like remember being like, this is going to be me one day. Like,

Speaker 1 but literally, look. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's having Hannah Montana. Right.

Speaker 1 Honestly. Yeah, for sure.
Was it also a little bit like seeing Miley and also seeing her as someone that was

Speaker 1 because I would imagine that it's like the Disney star thing looms so much around the Disney Channel and like Hannah Montana.

Speaker 1 It's like you see kids that are your age or kids that you could identify with like in the industry proving that it's somehow possible. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that was really shoved in our faces at that age of like Disney Channel was glamorizing pop stars. Yeah.
I remember every show, like Camp Rock even. Like that was our era.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Of like, oh my gosh,

Speaker 1 they were singing. Yes.
Yes, exactly. Just being like, whoa, like this is legit.
Like, you want to be a star.

Speaker 1 You want to to sing like yes right i just remember that feeling like this is the shit this is the only thing in life is music so miley and hannah are like the locust and does it then bring in like selena and zendaya and ari and yes i think that's the whole lore i think that's what i wish i could like go back and be like oh it was an earlier pinpoint but really it was disney channel

Speaker 1 that was when it like my brain was forming and i was

Speaker 1 That was, I was watching that every day being like, Alex and Wizard of Waverly Place is my personality.

Speaker 1 Tana Montana is my life.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to go do Camp Rock with Joe Jonas. Like, that was like my whole, like, this is going to be my life.
Yeah. That's powerful.
Right. That's like, no, I'm, it's powerful.

Speaker 1 By the way, did we get Disney Channel in Canada? Yeah. Really? When I grew up there, it was like YTV was.
We didn't get it. Oh, YTV is like a.
But YTV was like Canada's Nickelodeon?

Speaker 1 We had, my family had Disney Channel.

Speaker 1 You didn't have cable. I didn't even have cable, but like you would go to school and you would stay after school and you would watch YTV and there was a show called Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 And like, you get stuck in the middle of the day. Can I tell you? I remember YTV.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 We had different versions of it. Can I tell you what you would have been absolutely obsessed with? Because we're obviously the same age.
You would have rode so hard for Lizzie McGuire. I know I know.

Speaker 1 I know I would have. Yeah.
Yeah. Lizzie McGuire was,

Speaker 1 she was everything. Yeah, she was.
She was. Sleepover in the fifth grade.
It was all boys, mind you. Okay.
And for some reason, it was like midnight.

Speaker 1 One of the boys, straight as an arrow, allegedly, decides to put on Lizzie Maguire. The movie or the just

Speaker 1 the show. And then it's all of these boys talking about how hot Hillary Duff is.
Yeah. Whoa.
And I was just like, but she's being funny. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 1 you can't see her talent. I'm like, but she's so, but first and foremost, she's a talent.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 And they were all like, yeah.

Speaker 1 But all these guys were like

Speaker 1 yanking it to. They were your name, man.

Speaker 1 It's so weird to think about the concept of teen idol because that's essentially what that is. It's like

Speaker 1 all the girls wanting to like, for example, it's like someone like Hillary Duff. She's so famous at a time when everyone is going through puberty.
Yes. And that's weird.
I know. It is weird.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 Very formative years in your life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I remember my friend, my friend, my friend, my friend's older brother had a life-size cutout of Hillary Duff.

Speaker 1 no and I was like now looking back I'm like what happened there no red flag red flag but then it's like it's

Speaker 1 you I was so into her music too right come clean I still think come clean is one of the great songs the club remix of that so we're just seeing the talent we're just seeing the talent

Speaker 1 literally okay how did you meet current boyfriend How did I meet current boyfriend? I have known him for three years. We've been friends.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't until last year i was in cabo and he happened to be in cabo at the same time and we have never had one good interaction we're in the same friend group so we have the same like

Speaker 1 and we hang out all the time and we had never had one non-awkward experience like really like the rivals to romance kind of thing like a little bit he's like we weren't enemies i'm like yes we were like wow we just had this feeling where like every time we would say something to each other it was just like not what we planned to say yeah like the most social suicide moments of all time like i would trip every time i'd see him or i'd like try to dap him up i'm like why the did i just dap him up like

Speaker 1 so weird now you know anyone else

Speaker 1 yeah literally i'm like what was that like i was so out of character and i remember he used to be like why do my why do these friends like like tate and i'd be like why do my friends like leroy and how do we all get along And then Kabo,

Speaker 1 we became. You just happened to be in Kabo at the same time? Yeah.
That's amazing. And he texted me and he was like, are you here? And I was like, yes.
And then we

Speaker 1 got together. Got together.
He's now great on the album, too. Yeah, he's so great.
Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will say, do you think looking back now, you like, it was a subconscious, you liked him the whole time? No.

Speaker 1 I think I'm so about personality. Like, if we have like a funny connection or like you like get me, that's when I'll really get a crush on someone.
Okay.

Speaker 1 it's never from like first glance yeah like ever and so he like got you eventually yeah cuz we actually had good conversations that trip and like yeah

Speaker 1 it felt like we finally clicked we finally got each other was this after SNL yes okay because I remember at SNL the afterbird do you remember this you and I were like in the room trying to like scope out you were like the most single you were like he was single

Speaker 1 I was like I was like well I was really in my single era well yeah but there's a lot of eligible bachelors around there what I told Tate was I don't think think there are a lot of options.

Speaker 1 No, no one at that balloon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was sitting beside some people and I was like,

Speaker 1 we are not hitting it off.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite stories is it was like the SNL after party. It was the Lizzo episode.
And you remember this? We were all at the after party and Lizzo came in ready to party.

Speaker 1 She had changed her dress. She came in ready to slay.
20 minutes later, she leaves going, guess not. The party was dead.

Speaker 1 Sometimes

Speaker 1 alchemy just isn't happening in a galaxy. I've heard it's like can be the craziest thing on earth.
That night it was like

Speaker 1 it was like mid-level.

Speaker 1 Your words. Right? Yeah, yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 It's like any party. It's like if there's an alchemy, there's an alchemy.
Totally. I can't speak ill of the SNL After Party because it's, you know, this hallowed thing.

Speaker 1 Well, you were, you were, you were supposed to come with the bird's eye view on the actual eligible guys there. But apparently you weren't.
And I pitched a few, but I was like, but no, like, Tate.

Speaker 1 They weren't working. They weren't working.
Like, Tate needs something special. And then, look, now you're with.
Now I have a boyfriend. Yeah.
But that was tough. I really don't like looking for guys.

Speaker 1 Like, it's so it's the worst. You would rather be pursued.
I'd much rather be. I'd much rather be like natural.
Like, it just happens. Yeah.
Totally. Like, friends to lovers.
Like, that.

Speaker 1 I'm like that, that vibe. But that's, that's the Roy in a way.
That was that vibe for sure, which felt way more natural. Totally.
I'm not like a big, like,

Speaker 1 like flirt up front.

Speaker 1 That's not the cancer vibe anyway. No.
Is that you flirt?

Speaker 1 Like, that's not me. So this hate on stage is not this tate flirt game.
It is so funny. The tate on stage is like so polar opposite to my actual personality.
Yeah. Okay.
Hannah Montana.

Speaker 1 Hannah Montana. I'm going to get dragged for compared.

Speaker 1 Why would you say

Speaker 1 we all wanted to be her? We all wanted to be here and she's an icon. But

Speaker 1 yeah, so I don't know. This like person that I am on stage, my mom is always just like,

Speaker 1 what? Who is this? Like, I'm like, I don't know. She's like, you're too sexy or you're too, like, it's too much.
Like,

Speaker 1 the eyes are too intense. Like, that's not me, like, because I have like these like lock-in eyes.
You're galvanized. Like, when you're on stage, it's just like, it's happening.
Yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 No time. But it's just like very different from my actual personality.
So it's like shocking sometimes to my family. Well, because you're so, you are very like chill and mellow in conversation.

Speaker 1 And then like in the videos on stage, it's like you are, it's the eyes. You're right.
You're locked in. We're locked in.
But like, two hands, it's okay. I'm okay.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, even like Run for the Hills. I'm just like, you are,

Speaker 1 you are dialed in

Speaker 1 in an amazing way. And I'm like, thank you.
It's so interesting to hear you say that, like, it literally is Hannah, Montana.

Speaker 1 Train conclusion. Well, imagine you like went on stage for the first time you ever performed, like locked in, were galvanized, and came off, and it never went away.

Speaker 1 Like, your mom would be really freaked out then. That's terrifying.

Speaker 1 My daughter's locked in. Right.

Speaker 1 Can you please help? My daughter's locked in. She's so locked up.
My daughter's too locked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Describe the persona.
Who is she?

Speaker 1 What's she about?

Speaker 1 My alter ego, guys. Yeah, yeah.
Sasha Fierce.

Speaker 1 Literally.

Speaker 1 I've made it into like a joke, so I talk about it way too much, like probably way more than I should. But it's, I call her Tatiana.
Tatiana is a really good name for her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tatiana. And it's just, when I go on stage, I black out.
Like, I don't actually remember that much. You just like perform.

Speaker 1 You know what you're saying? Cause I've leave. We leave our bodies sometimes.
Like you feel this way. Yes.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like you feel like you're, it's now just like a thing with your body and God, like in the universe. And it's just like, you get possessed.
And that's the best performance.

Speaker 1 When I become too aware of like, I always say, this is like the craziest example. When you're on stage and you become too aware and too in your body, it feels like you're like manually breathing.

Speaker 1 You know, when you're in bed and you're like,

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you like remember that you have to breathe.
Yes. And then you stop breathing because you're like, this is really, this is an automatic thing.
Yeah. Wait, you know?

Speaker 1 I've never heard someone describe it this way. This is, this is huge.
Okay, don't think about it before bed. If you'll die.
Because you'll die.

Speaker 1 If you think about breathing before bed, you will stop breathing. Right.
Oh, shit. Because it is so automatic.

Speaker 1 When you become aware of yourself, it's over. Yeah.
So like, that's, I mean, that's, that's just it.

Speaker 1 You're just, it's, and then when you're on stage and you have people watching you and you're like, you forget how to like walk and move. So you have to turn into someone else.
I have to.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, I become way too aware.

Speaker 1 And then I could like do nothing normal. Like nothing is, it's just like, you have to be in a different body or a different space.

Speaker 1 Like, it's crazy conceptually to think about the fact that you wrote a song for two hours in your room. And then weeks later, it was like, okay, like.

Speaker 1 a bunch of people saw this and now they're knocking on my door to like get me to sign. Yeah.
And then that's the kind of the same thing where it's like you wrote it. First song she ever wrote.

Speaker 1 First song you ever wrote, but it's like there's just like it kind of like translates to this idea of like you wrote something and you like it's a very intimate interior experience and then you're doing an arena tour with all these songs that you wrote in the privacy of your own studio you know yeah

Speaker 1 it's it's bizarre i don't know i said it's like a stoner thought but you know what i mean it's like it's crazy

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 exactly you wrote a song and then you had to perform it

Speaker 1 so crazy it's really crazy yeah it is um

Speaker 1 no but that's where i get like all like the that's where i feel like the the universe is just like planning everything out because I'm like

Speaker 1 these coincidences and these things happening like aren't aren't just like random isolated like they're just meant to happen like and I think that like yeah I feel like I feel like you like know that from a young age you kind of like know what you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 So what's the venue that you're most gagged about performing like that you can't really believe is happening? Well the forum will be fun. The forum is gonna be great.

Speaker 1 I'm doing a couple nights there which will be fun and MSG again. Yes.

Speaker 1 I love. That's wild.
I know. MSG is just special.

Speaker 1 New York. I just bought a place in New York.
Girl, thank you. New York is just like my place.
Yes.

Speaker 1 It's so magical there. I love to hear it.
Yeah. Honestly, oh, God, just that there is nothing like it.
Did you, do you see a lot of live shows too? Do you go a lot of stuff? I try.

Speaker 1 I'm just like on tour a lot. Did you see the sweat tour? Yes, I did.
Did you see that at Madison Square Garden? I saw that at the forum. Okay, so

Speaker 1 I don't believe believe it. The forum was great.
Madison Square Garden, I thought it was going to flip over. Really? Yes, it was so crazy.
Charlie's,

Speaker 1 I mean, Troy's music just sounds different in there because like it's more of a vibe. Like it was kind of breathing.

Speaker 1 I love like the Charlie and Troy show because it was like when Troy was out there, it was like cool and like pillowy and gorgeous. And then Charlie came out and just like punched you in the face.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was rotating between that.
But when she was in that venue, I thought it was going to flip over. That was one of the best shows I've seen in a very long time.
Absolutely. It was so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So well, I loved the two of them flipping on and off.
I haven't seen a show like that before. That needs to happen more often.
I think so, too. Not since Justified Stripped.

Speaker 1 Or the then scrapped Kanye Gaga tour. Oh, wow.
2009. It's crazy to think about that as a reality.

Speaker 1 It was going to happen. And then it got canceled after the VMAs after I'm going to let you finish.
Something split in the fabric of culture at that night. We were just talking about that.

Speaker 1 That was so consequential for all of pop culture history history that night in 20 years yeah that was wild yeah yeah yeah wait you did tokyo for the last tour yes i did yeah everything what'd you think we just went to tokyo for the first time we ate so much steak

Speaker 1 i turned into a grain of rice i ate so much

Speaker 1 i love rice like we just like but we had like the best time ever like tokyo is one of my favorite places it's magical it's crazy yeah it's i've never seen we we played with pigs yes you went to a micro pig cafe

Speaker 1 That was like number one. Micro pig? Yeah, they're like, well, they're maybe not micro.

Speaker 1 There's a big one. They're micro pigs.
They're macro pigs. They're macro pigs.
That sounds hard. There's like a straightened Harajuku.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is the one you went on, but there's like multiple places in Tokyo where it's like the puppy cafe, no problem.

Speaker 1 The kitten cafe, no problem. Yeah.
The new animal is the micro pigs. Yes.
And then the even newer one is otter cafe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those are crazy. Those are crazy.
Yeah. It's a cafe with otters? You eat, you pay, you like order some food, you eat, you sip your tea, and then they run around and they come up to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they like sit in your lap.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is so precious. No, it was perfect.
And then they all stack on top of each other. So there's like eight in your lap at once.
So what animal are you? You can't say micro pig.

Speaker 1 Because I'll fight you. I don't know, but

Speaker 1 that's fine.

Speaker 1 Yours is a micro pig. I'm so not a micro pig.
What do you think yours is? What are your guys? People that wanted to really drag me to hell would be like, I'm some sort of reptile. Okay.

Speaker 1 But I don't think I am. I don't really see that.
I would like to be some sort of crazy bird. Okay.
I could see that. You can? Yeah.
Why are you laughing? I'm not laughing. I'm just like picturing it.

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm a bird. I feel like definitely giving

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 they don't even fly, bitch. They don't have to fly.
I was going to say eagle.

Speaker 1 I don't think you're a nostril. I was going to say falcon.
I'm a falcon. Yeah, okay.
You're a falcon. So with that, what are you?

Speaker 1 I might be a pig. I might be a pig of some kind.
Okay. I don't know.
I feel like you're more of like a koala or something. Oh, that's so nice.
Yeah, I'll take koala. Chlamydia down.

Speaker 1 That's so good. You know, they all have chlamydia up there.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll be koala. I feel like I would be a...

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 Don't look at him. I feel like you're...

Speaker 1 I want to be a cheetah, but I'm not a cheetah. You are a

Speaker 1 cheetah. I don't want to be a cheetah.
What are you talking about? You You don't think you're a cheetah? I don't think I'm that fast. It's not about speed.
It's just about the demeanor. Right.

Speaker 1 You have a cheetah energy. Julie.
Yeah. Like when you're on stage, like that's that girl, who that girl becomes.
Tatiana is a cheetah. Tatiana is a cheetah.
She's a leopard.

Speaker 1 I could be more of like a rhino or something. Rhino? Rhino?

Speaker 1 Have some respect for yourself.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're like,

Speaker 1 you're. I love that we're asking her what she thinks she is.
Every time she says,

Speaker 1 no, I think you are a cheetah. I think you should be a cheetah.
Okay. I'll take it.
It's Tate and Tatiana. You know what I mean? Yeah, together.
Yeah, a cheetah. Because a cheetah writes, too.

Speaker 1 Just a little slower. Yeah.
Take a little slower than a cheetah. So maybe Mountain Lion.
Okay. I like that.
Mountain Lion is good. Stands above, sees the world for what it is.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You call her Tati sometimes, or is it full-on Tatiana? I call her Tatiana. Yeah, don't say Tati to her.
Yeah. Tatiana will fuck you up.
Yeah, she will. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Was Tatiana getting arrested or was that Tate? That was Tatiana for sure. Tatiana's taxi.
That was an arrest. You would never get arrested.
No. What are your crimes that you've committed?

Speaker 1 I've actually never committed a crime.

Speaker 1 I'm a big goodie two-shoes. Really? Yeah, I don't.
I really do not cause any trouble, I will say. That's good.
Disney channel vibes. Yeah.
Like, I'm one of those good kids. I am good.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty wholesome. Team, is this true? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, I think

Speaker 1 I'm pretty good at two-shoes. So, like, that arrest scene was funny.
My parents were on set too. Oh, they were?

Speaker 1 But, but, was it getting a pasty vibe i don't know it wasn't even naked was it too tall it was okay yeah let me say this set the record straight this like got like the editing was so good that it looked like i was super naked i was in like full on like a workout set just beige yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 so i was sitting there and i'm just doing my acting yeah like whatever So it wasn't even that intense. And so my parents were like, woo! Like, yeah.
So they were like, we're so down. We're so down.

Speaker 1 That's Tatiana out there getting these topless arrests.

Speaker 1 This is pop like yeah this is pop my dad was like yes like like they were just like this is really cool um and then the editing came back right and it looked so realistic it was giving girls gone wild it was giving like whoa like they did too good

Speaker 1 sure they did too good and the final edit wasn't until like two days before oh so we had been all the edits everyone was like oh this is great it was like beige and the final edit was like so realistic

Speaker 1 that all of us were kind of numb to it so when i was like when the internet became like shocked i was was like, oh, like, I didn't really like think too hard about this.

Speaker 1 Are you, but they'll, the internet will always think too hard. Of course.
That's their job. So that was, that was funny because it wasn't actually like, it wasn't that like

Speaker 1 on set.

Speaker 1 Shit, I'm sorry that I said tits out earlier. It's okay.
I was disrespectful. I'm apologizing all throughout this episode.
I didn't take any offense to it. Okay.
No, she was cool as a cucumber.

Speaker 1 I have a question. How long does Choreo live in you? Like, could you, like,

Speaker 1 do you need to be refreshed? How, How, how much do you need to be refreshed? Okay, so I can pick up pretty fast, I would say. Like, I can learn it right before, memorize it, and perform it.

Speaker 1 Like, like, for when we premiered, it's okay. I'm okay.
Like, we learned it the day before. Wow.
Um, and then did it. Once I do the performance, it's out of my head.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, I don't remember unless we rehearse it for weeks and then it like sticks because something else has to go up in the brain. Yeah, I have like no memory.

Speaker 1 So, but for sure, like, what are we now? I was going to ask if you have a favorite dance break of all time. Like, if you have a favorite pop music dance break.
Of all time.

Speaker 1 Like, what's one that you're like, that she or he shredded that? Ah, I need to think. I know, because now it's going to, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 It's like, whatever you say is going to have weight because now you're the queen of the dance break. That's a hard question.

Speaker 1 And to think on that for a second. Yeah, no, think on that.
Because that's a big one. That is a big one.
There's so much. You know what jumps to mind for me? What?

Speaker 1 This isn't probably it, but I think one that because it was so dance contest, me, the gay, little gay boy, and my girlfriend's culture, Janet Jackson, all for you. Oh, Janet Jackson, all for you.

Speaker 1 Like, that was a song that probably was a hit primarily because of groups of little girls and gay boys doing dance contests. Remember when she's in the train station?

Speaker 1 Just now that's what I call music. I don't know, let's call it four.
Yeah. Like, just track one, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
That was a deep. I'm going to agree with my sister.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a huge one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm still thinking. I'm still thinking.
No, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 It's a commitment when she's thinking. It is a big commitment.
I know. That's a huge.
I mean, I would say like single ladies by Beyoncé. Yes.
Like, I just think that that was big for me.

Speaker 1 Did you learn it immediately?

Speaker 1 I don't think I did. Yeah.
But I just remember watching. She just appreciated it.
Yeah. Okay, but I'm saying like for tour, like I was this close to trying to learn the dance break for two hands.

Speaker 1 Okay. Because I was trying to do like the

Speaker 1 like.

Speaker 1 Okay. But like you're literally like upside down, like across the windshield.
Wait, what? What do it again? I don't know what movie you're referring to. I'm 12.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 She didn't even know what you were referring to. I didn't do that.
She's like, I never fucking because you went like this. Well, she, I'm like, which is kind of like kind of cool.

Speaker 1 When you sing the word two, I'm trying to remember the choreo. I want you to.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Wow, I can't believe we're watching. Wow, we're, oh my god, it's cool.
This one? Yes!

Speaker 1 Wait, do that. Do that.
Do it again. It's like the light.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's hard. It's a dancer's hand.
It's like the hand wave. And then you you like drive the car.
Yeah, that's so, I'm obsessed because it's like it's hand, it's giving car.

Speaker 1 It is, it's like giving like hip wave and then car. So what would happen if, would you be proud of us if, let's say, we did the two hands choreo? Yes!

Speaker 1 Yes, we're gonna do it. We might do it.
You should.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna tell you my idea for later. Okay.
Okay, maybe you can be involved. Okay.
What are you guys gonna do? You'll be on tour. You'll be on tour.
Okay.

Speaker 1 When is tour until for for now?

Speaker 1 Many send.

Speaker 1 They laugh. The team laughs because it's going for four years.

Speaker 1 October. October.
Because you want to have a Halloween.

Speaker 1 Of course I want to have a Halloween.

Speaker 1 By the time it announces, we'll have announced Halloween. So November, because we just announced new dates.
Wow. Congratulate.
And that's why I said for now. For now.

Speaker 1 I knew y'all had a trick up your team. We knew the team was going to push it.
Yeah. So now it's November and I don't get a Halloween.
No,

Speaker 1 thanks. You'll get a Christmas.
I'll get a Christmas. You need to spend Halloween in New York and then you're going to sell your house and be like, I never want to live here.
Why? It gets hard.

Speaker 1 No, you're going to be so obsessed. By the time you get to like actually, well, you spent time in New York.
You've been home and you get to like acclimate it and make it your home.

Speaker 1 I actually haven't moved in yet. Oh, okay.
I put the offer in like two days ago. Congrats.
Oh, nice. And so it's going to happen.
I hope so. Yeah.
Sometimes they pull out. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 New York real estate is gnarly and nasty. But when you finally finish tour in November, like then you're going to move.

Speaker 1 And I think that November, December, actually, actually September, October, November, December, that

Speaker 1 quadrant. Yeah, the fall months.
Thank you. Is the best time to be in New York? Yes.
I think so, too. I think I'm going to really enjoy it there in the next year in New York.

Speaker 1 And you do have a place here, too? Yes. You got to.
Yeah. You got it.
I got it. Favorite dance break of all time.
Wait, didn't I say single ladies?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. Okay.
So didn't I answer this hard question that's going to cause me to get dragged online because now I didn't say these other girls? Yeah, exactly. Hello.
Can't win in this town.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize that that's what we were putting you through.

Speaker 1 That was a very Bowen response.

Speaker 1 Cancer vibes. Cancer vibes.
Well, I think

Speaker 1 your hand in this award right now. I know.
Can you believe?

Speaker 1 Well, okay. So we're going to do this episode's winning a Webby.
This episode is winning a Webby, by the way. We're going to do the choreo of two hands.
Uh-huh. Where? We'll tell you later.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not to brag. There might be eyes on it.
Like, people are going to be able to do it. No, there's going to be eyes on it.
We're just saying, we hope we don't disappoint you.

Speaker 1 Well, do you need some help, like, how to learn it? Yeah. Are you going to teach us? Yeah, I can help.
If you're going to, if it's like. We should learn from you.

Speaker 1 Excuse you.

Speaker 1 This is so ambiguous. Like, this.

Speaker 1 We'll be in touch. We just told Tate the idea and we had to skip past it and cut that out.
And she approves. I approve.
Yeah, that's going to be good.

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Speaker 1 Okay, well, this has been, you know, very sweet time, but now we have to get a little standard ready with I Don't Think So Honey. That's right.
This is I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 This is our segment where we each take one minute to rail against something in culture. Um, Matt, do you have something? You know what? I do have something.
It's time. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Is it in culture? It can just be it can be anything. And mine is very much in life.
I'm not doing it on Thanksgiving. Okay, mine's going to be in life too.
In life. Okay.
Well, we'll all do life.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. This is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, man bun.
I still see some of you doing it. And can I say, like,

Speaker 1 it's, it was never it. Right.
It was never it. The tiny little man bun was never it.
And I'm looking around. I don't think I see anyone here that's giving a man bun.

Speaker 1 I see potential on a couple people. I see potential hair length where you could give that.
As someone who is starting to wade into the might grow my hair out community.

Speaker 1 I have a buzz right now for people that are only listening. I may grow my hair out.

Speaker 1 I'm committed to 30 seconds. No little bun because I'm going to show you a video of me with long hair and it actually looks good.
I put a wig on. Okay.

Speaker 1 If you're going to grow your hair out, just give it a style. Give it something.
Just the tossing it up into a messy bun, you are not iconic girls from my high school. 13 seconds.
You're not.

Speaker 1 Like the only way you can toss your hair up into a messy bun and come out and have it be slay is if you are an iconic girl from my high school. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Speaker 1 These girls that came in like the sweatpants with the the top rolled down on the slides and the messy, messy button on the lacrosse sweatshirt. Only you with the messy button.

Speaker 1 Everyone else, especially you gentlemen, it's got to stop. And that's one minute.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's where I'm at on that. And you know what has really pushed me over the edge? It's, you know, the old photos of Justin Daldoni?

Speaker 1 I don't. Like when he had the hair out there.
When he was in Jane the Virgin. When he was in Jane the Virgin, yes.
And he would do that. And when he would know about pop culture.

Speaker 1 When he would serve a bun, I was like, see, I can't believe we ever did this. Right.
But you're, and you are thinking about growing your hair out right now. I'm thinking about growing my hair out.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, if it ever gets to the point where you see me and I have long hair and I'm like, you know what, guys, hold on a second.

Speaker 1 And you see me toss it up into a bun, please stop me and remind me of this.

Speaker 1 I like your hair right now. I think it's cute.
You thought you like to buzz? Yeah, it looks really good. Thank you.
It compliments your skull shape. It does.

Speaker 1 You have a good skull shape. You have a really good skull shape.
You have a great bone structure. That's how you wish you're a bad one.

Speaker 1 That's hard because a lot of people don't have a naturally good skull shape. Could you buzz? No.
I don't think so. Well, you have straight hair.
Why would you? I don't think I could buzz. No.

Speaker 1 I feel like I have a strange head shape.

Speaker 1 Did you get a tummy time as a child? Yeah, you must have gotten it. It was tummy time.
Tummy time is when

Speaker 1 you're a baby, they flip you over on your tummy so that you're not lying on the back of your head the whole time. Oh, I didn't get it.
I don't know. I feel like they must have forgot.

Speaker 1 Mine feels a little flat.

Speaker 1 I have a little bit of a flat head too. Want to tell you about that? You know, what's a tip for babies?

Speaker 1 My mom says that your hips form before you're two years old. So if you stretch your baby's hips before you're two years old, she did this to me.
She would stretch my splits before I was two. Wow.

Speaker 1 And so my hips are naturally open because she formed my hips that way. Whoa.

Speaker 1 So that's the trick. If you want to have a- So you got it from your mama.
I did get it from my mom. You got it from your mom.
Put me on the clock. I've got something.
Okay. Wow.
Wait, hold on.

Speaker 1 He's about to go against his mother. I know this.
No. He's about to drag.

Speaker 1 Okay, wait, hold on. Okay.
This is Bowen. Why don't I have my thing? This is Bowen Yangs.
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 Not my mom, but just the hip architecture in human beings in general. Did you know we have our hip flexors go from back to front and we have side to like side, like going across the pelvis?

Speaker 1 It's it's crazy. It's the, I think it's where I'm going to go.
It's how I'm going to die. Something's going to happen to me in the hips.

Speaker 1 Like I'm trying to use them in dance settings and maybe a sexual setting and it's just not it's not 30 seconds. It's not, I'm not executing the way I want to execute on the hips.
Your hips do lie.

Speaker 1 I've been doing the same split stretch routine for the past two years. I'm no closer to getting into the splits.
My mom should have done this, what your mom did. 15 seconds.
What Tatiana's mom did.

Speaker 1 And I meng flop. And I can't believe I, I, listen, it's, it's, it's like the one childhood school trauma that stays with me.
I'm like, is your hips?

Speaker 1 Well, all these girls and boys were doing the splits in front of me. And I was like, I want to to do that.
And I still, after a lifetime of stretching, can't. That's what I'm can't do the splits.

Speaker 1 That's that's really how I can't do it either. Well, I guess, I guess you can't answer how you got to do it because your mom kind of did the work for you.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Well, but then I, you, you just stretch. I did rhythmic gymnastics when I was younger, too.

Speaker 1 I was gonna say, so they would, they would take your like first leg on a chair, your back leg on a chair, and they'd sit on your knees. It's no, that's crazy, and you'd just be sobbing for like

Speaker 1 just like, why is this happening? And they're like, so you can one day

Speaker 1 become the queen of the dance break. Literally.
Yeah. Like, actually, this is for your own good, Tate McRae.
Yeah, maybe that hole of pain is from this.

Speaker 1 That

Speaker 1 is from the gear. From this thing sitting on you.
So you were that girl who could just whip out a cartwheel. Yeah.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I was so jealous of you growing up. I was that bitch.
Yeah, you were that bitch. You're like Tate flipping in the back.
Yeah. You were always upside down.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, for greedy, you literally shot your leg up like a full 180, like straight straight line up and down. And I was like, how do you do this? Right.
It's that. It's that.

Speaker 1 After you slay so hard, do you just laugh? Because you're like, oh, did it again?

Speaker 1 Is that a weird question? I wish it was that easy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Watch where the control.

Speaker 1 Because if I, if, if I, all I'm saying is if I was you and I just tore it up. Could you imagine me just like, yes! That's what we're saying.
If I was you and I just came out and was like, do that so

Speaker 1 and just like ate, I would be like, whatever. Like, I'm not a bitch.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what I should start doing. You have a very high degree of that girl ability.
Thank you. Yeah.
That's a word I made. A little giggle at the end.
That girlable. That girlable.
Like,

Speaker 1 all your music videos are very that girlable.

Speaker 1 Thank you. All the songs have a high degree of that girl ability.
Jennifer Harris, I think you should consider like the long black middle part like you have in sports car. Really?

Speaker 1 That looked incredible. Really? Yes.
I think it made my face look a little long.

Speaker 1 Wasn't thinking that

Speaker 1 no one was thinking that's the voice in your head. That's the voice in my head.
I felt like I needed like a layer or something.

Speaker 1 We didn't have enough time to cut a layer, though. Really? Oh, it looked perfect because we, because that was you next to the horse.
Yep. How was that? Horse looked scary.
He was super nice, actually.

Speaker 1 He was really cute and sweet.

Speaker 1 You're a horse girl. I'm allergic to horses, but I do love them.

Speaker 1 I love that interaction. You're a horse girl.
I'm allergic to horses. But I do love them.

Speaker 1 i just can't help but feel like

Speaker 1 i i always when i was little my sister did gymnastics and so all of her friends did gymnastics and they were flipping turning screaming through the skies like i was just like why can't i move yeah it's because my mom didn't sit on my hips yeah

Speaker 1 which is not what i don't think that's what you did so not you did rhythmic gymnastics not like competitive gymnastics with the ribbon and i i had i had a a ball routine yes where you like put the ball in between your back and you've like

Speaker 1 you've like literally like certain like do a somersault with it yeah do you ever think about like who thought of that who thought to do that i have no idea and i also have don't understand the reason for it like i don't understand why i trained that hard to like fit a ball between my back and do a somersault crazy can we for a second think about every gymnastics event it's all insane

Speaker 1 uneven bars it's like what it's like someone's one someone one day was like,

Speaker 1 you know what it's going to be? Girls are going to run as fast as they can towards a brick.

Speaker 1 They're going to fly off the brick hands first, flip in the air and land on their feet. And if they don't, it's flop.

Speaker 1 It is, but it is, it's such an interesting thing because it's the same with dance. Like, I did a music video yesterday.
I'm like, I am literally dying for dance right now. And then dance.
Category 2.

Speaker 1 exhausted, bruised, like, like literally killing myself and just for a dance break. Yeah.
I'm like, that is such a weird concept. One day shoot.
Yep. Well, that's

Speaker 1 you got it knocked. Yeah, I have bruises everywhere.

Speaker 1 Yep. I can't believe you came here.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What you didn't see is she had to drag herself to the seat. I did.
And we didn't help. We sat here.
We were like, yeah, it was cold.

Speaker 1 Cold as hell. Okay, it is your opportunity and time to do it.
I'll take some honey. Okay.
And I can tell that you're going to tear. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is Tate McRae's, I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
Okay, so I'm only doing this because my mom just came into town and it's just a frustration I've had with car play in my

Speaker 1 car.

Speaker 1 So whenever my parents, so it's a little finicky, like the USB and the Bluetooth switches on and off a little bit, but then I get to a point where it's pretty consistent and I walk in, it clicks, whatever.

Speaker 1 My parents come into town and every single phone hooks up all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 And they're like, I'm like, guys, turn off your Bluetooth and they have no idea how to turn off the Bluetooth 30 seconds so it's just like swipes I'm like mom dad I like grab their phones and like it is the most frustrating speak on it and I'm just like why does the why does the car have to click to their phones they don't live here this isn't their car why is it connecting to this 15 and it's just really hard because I feel like I lose ownership of my car when they come into town because I can't listen to my music I can't my navigation is off and it's just really frustrating so And that's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey.
There we go. CarPlay.
Now it's officially Etchen time. Now it's Etching time.
CarPlay should know that it's a dad phone or a mom phone.

Speaker 1 It also should just be better. I don't understand why it's not better.
No, it's going to kill us. CarPlay is going to kill us because when it starts to act up and you're driving and you kind of

Speaker 1 stop yourself from being like, oh, my turn is it? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, for me, it's like, I need music to be playing in the car. Like, I'm not,

Speaker 1 and maybe a podcast, but usually, no, usually music.

Speaker 1 And when, and for, to say nothing of directions, which is also a thing with CarPlay, it's like, you cut off my music and directions. Why am I in the car to begin with? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 And now I'm on the road, like, uh, hello, doing surgery

Speaker 1 on my car. And I'm like, this was supposed to be easier.
Yeah, it's not. Like everything they say that makes things easier.
That's why I don't trust the self-driving cars.

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's scary.
Like, that is really scary. It's crazy.
Every time they have made an advancement in cars, I'm like, I feel as though we can go back to basics.

Speaker 1 I think so, too. Are you doing Google Maps or Apple Maps for directions? Apple Maps.
Don't say that. Why are you guys Google Maps? No, no, we're not.

Speaker 1 You're so sweet about that.

Speaker 1 Are you guys Google Maps? No, we all have Google Maps, but I just feel like Apple Maps is so tough. Actually,

Speaker 1 we did the complete opposite. Really? Sometimes Apple Maps is really, really good.
I think it's just a cleaner layout.

Speaker 1 I think that when you, it's just like less like clunky. All right.
Like you have to like zoom in on Google. Yes.

Speaker 1 Apple Maps are just automatic. Yeah.
You know what came and went? Waze. Oh, it's still going strong.
People still use it. Waze is still Waze is still out there.
We just lost a huge Waze

Speaker 1 sponsorship. Big chunk of the podcast.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Turned it off. And we were struggling.
So

Speaker 1 they're going to ask for a Webby back. Damn it.
We needed that. Here, take our Webby back.
Okay. Do you want it? Sure.
Tate McRae accepts this Webby on our behalf. Thank you.
You know,

Speaker 1 if you flick it, it springs. Look, see that.
Doesn't it feel kind of good to put your hand in it?

Speaker 1 See? Like this? Is that what you're trying to make me do? Doesn't it feel kind of good to put your hand in it to justify that he was doing it? It does. It just feels great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 This has been such a nice time getting to know you. You're fucking cool as hell.
You're so talented. Thanks, guys.
And we're going to come see you. Please.
Can we? Would love.

Speaker 1 We want to come see you at MSG. Please come.
Yes. That would be so fun.
And maybe even by then we'll have the two hands choreo down. I think we will.
I'm going to do that.

Speaker 1 You'll see us in the crowd, like literally hurting everyone around us.

Speaker 1 I think that's going to... We're going to start up the TikTok trend.
Okay. We're going to do it.
Perfect. Has there not been a TikTok trend started at this point? I think there is for that dance.

Speaker 1 Probably. Do you dictate what the trend is? I don't think you really can.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can do like just post stuff. Yeah.
And if it trends, it trends. Because like, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 There wasn't Charlie.

Speaker 1 Someone else made the app. Someone else.
Someone else did the album. Yeah.
Okay. That was good.
It was so good. That was good.
That's what you want. I mean, we'll be that girl for you, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what you want.

Speaker 1 That's what you want. To have someone else create this thing.
This is a marketing meeting.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Team's all here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, so close to what is out right now. Please.
Listen to it. Have some fun for once in your life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Go listen to Flo Millie.

Speaker 1 Spit bar.

Speaker 1 Have a glass of wine. listen to the album, sit back.

Speaker 1 Is that your optimal vibe for it? Like, have a glass of wine, listen to the hardships. I think so.
And like a chill. Yeah.
Don't think too hard. I mean, but think harder.

Speaker 1 Don't think too hard.

Speaker 1 Think harder and then

Speaker 1 don't think too hard. Don't think too hard.

Speaker 1 We're getting mixed messaging from tape.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just completely contradicting myself every album.

Speaker 1 Okay, we end every episode with a song. August the apples are

Speaker 1 really good.

Speaker 1 We already messed up. It's this.
I the apples back. You started it.

Speaker 1 N1.

Speaker 1 That's the best part of the day. That's the best part of the video.
That was the N1. I do love the N1.
Yeah. So that's for you to do at home.
Bye. Bye.

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Speaker 1 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too. Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743.
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