Episode 620: The Miseducation of Ed Larson - JFK & Government Conspiracies

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Man, I miss sliders.

The show?

No.

No, no.

I missed that show too.

That was great.

No.

henry and i had a bunch of great sliders in detroit and we missed those sliders

what i don't understand is why are there not more slider based restaurants we talked about this the whole time while we're eating those sliders i feel like sliders are being left behind i feel like that should be a new like you know because we had obviously fancy hot dogs then we had donuts and there was korean tacos sliders had their moment when oh and i would say like 2009 to 2015.

when was the great slider revolution when you didn't have any money.

Yeah, we were poor.

Yeah.

But sliders are for the people.

Yeah, I know.

I had a bunch of different sliders I would sell at the poorhouse.

That's different.

You, though, literally, you're the only man I know who was a chef that was at the very forefront of slider technology.

And you were doing sliders all the time.

I remember when you brought sliders to the poor household.

But you're the only place where I saw a lot of sliders.

I had a curry chicken slider that was fucking awesome.

I had sample slices on that bitch.

We went to Green Dot Stables in Detroit, and they had the fucking fish fry slider.

It was real good.

They did fried bologna sliders.

Fried bologna slider was really good.

That's what we need back.

It's like, why aren't the sliders everywhere?

Are you saying it's a conspiracy?

I think it's a government conspiracy.

It's a government conspiracy.

Welcome to Last Podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen.

My name is Marcus Parks.

I'm here with the skeptical Henry Zabrowski, skeptical as to why these sliders aren't all over the place at all times.

Who benefits?

Quibono.

I tell you who benefits?

The Mexican restaurants.

Don't forget the tacos.

They got the tacos and they know tacos and sliders are ass to ass

and they know that they are fighting for oxygen together and they just want to shut it down.

They want to shut the slider economy down because they know it's outside of the Fort Knox system.

I think tiny tacos should be on the rise.

Hate tiny tacos.

Whoa.

Love big tacos.

So hold on.

You like tiny burgers.

Yes.

But you don't like tiny tacos.

Correct.

This is a you problem.

no it's not no it's not there are many like me I am not the only one like me that's the only thing I have learned you wish that spaghetti was just one big piece yes

I would as if you would not eat an entire loaf of just pasta dough

it's called a lasagna ladies and gentlemen and with me of course with both of us is Ed Larson Ed do you think the slider conspiracy is related to the Federal Reserve no I think it's if it's related to anybody it's big Pharma.

Okay.

All right, Big Pharma.

All right.

All right, that's good.

I would think Big Pharma would be down with the sliders because that would increase diabetes and heart disease and such.

Yes, but I know that.

Oh, my God, there's a place called Rock House Sliders.

Yeah, you just have to look harder.

We live in Lost Canada.

I'm Googling.

Yeah, we live in one of the biggest cities in America.

You're going to be able to see the city of the United States.

No, this is Australian.

This is fucking Australian.

Sliders?

Yes.

Sliders.

Slidas.

No, man.

Slidas.

No.

What the fucking shit?

This is fucking, they're ahead of of us.

We're moving.

We're going.

I'm bombing Australia.

Don't bomb them.

These rolling people doing what you want.

No.

Because they did it first and I won't.

No one can have them if I can't.

Today,

we're here talking about conspiracies.

Of course, on our update show,

we started a little segment.

So it was more of a theme of Ed Larson Ask Questions.

Yes.

Yeah, no, it's basically, I mean, I know a lot of this stuff where I have like my own thought on it, Especially today because we're gonna center on government conspiracy There are other episodes just like this coming out down the road about serial killers and stuff like that Which we have already recorded, but this one is about government conspiracies And I know and we'll do what the next one I want to do is on aliens surement conspiracy, but What I would like to get art done where it says the education of miss Ed Lawrence.

Like in the very moment.

Like, yeah, yeah, no, Ed Lawrence.

I thought I would do a thing where it's him and that thing.

I think that'd be fun.

Yes, that'd be cute.

I think that is adorable.

Yeah, so we were, so today we wanted to talk about government's conspiracies, and I wanted to start with what I think is like the biggest, meatiest one, and of course, that's JFK.

Yeah.

The assassination, not his,

you know, his accidentally winning the presidency.

He didn't accidentally win.

It just is his older brother was supposed to be the president.

He was the shining light.

He was the one that everybody wanted to do something, but then he fucking died like a pussy.

Oh, I didn't actually know about this.

Kennedy's brother died?

Oh, John Kennedy's older brother was like the

one the family thought was going to go all the way, kind of like Jeb.

Uh-huh.

Like they thought that Jeb was going to be the one to take it.

And then when he died, it's like JFK essentially...

because his family was extremely competitive.

Like they would, the father would like make them all like do debates at the dining room table and do all this shit.

And he'd raise one in favor and knock one down.

And then JFK doubled down when he had realized, like, when he went to war, he became like twice the hero his brother was to get the same amount of love that his father gave his brother naturally.

Oh, and of course, he gained the injuries that possibly caused him to snap back and not be able to duck when he was shot.

Wow.

Because he was all metal.

Also, Rockhouse Sliders.

Rockhouse Sliders is in Kuwait.

Oh, is it?

This is a restaurant.

Somehow, my first, I typed in Slider's Restaurant.

This is a conspiracy.

I've typed in Slider's Restaurant, Los Angeles.

First thing that pops up is this Kuwait-y slider face.

Why did you think it was Australian?

Because it's Deliveroo.

Deliveroo is like, that's.

That's an app.

I know it's an Australian app, but it's more.

It's also British.

But I thought

British has something like Masher Dasher where they're going to be able to do it.

You can use Deliveroo.

Yeah, and something like Ass Grass and fuck shit.

Yeah, Assgrass, fuck shit.

Yeah, that's the British delivery ave.

Yeah.

They're pillars of the English language.

All right, so JFK,

we, you know, we, as a group here, I think the three of us, we all enjoy and almost lean towards the theory that Kennedy was accidentally shot by a hungover Secret Service agent.

Definitely.

That's my favorite theory.

It's not what I'll say happened, but it's my favorite one.

Well, I'll amend that, is that he wasn't hungover.

It's that everyone else in the Secret Service, all of the more experienced Secret Service agents, they were all hungover.

The guy who was actually holding the gun was brand new and extremely inexperienced and should not have been holding the gun.

He should not have been holding the AR-15 that day.

That's the whole thing, is that they were hungover.

He was not.

He was just new and scared.

And there's some pictures with him holding the AR-15, and then there's other pictures without him holding.

the AR-15.

Yes, where they said they might have old school airbrushed them out, the old way they used to do Photoshops, which is essentially they would take the photo,

they would re-fuck with the actual negative.

They'd actually scratch it out of the negative and then republish it.

Yeah, and they also like he could have just shot it and then put it down in their two separate photographs.

Yeah, he very much could have been.

But to catch everybody up, if you haven't listened to our JFK series,

it is personally what I think happened is that JFK was killed in the world's most infamous workplace accident.

Yeah.

Is that they were, when they got to Dallas the night before, all of the Secret Secret Service agents, the more experienced Secret Service agents, went out to a strip club and stayed there until like 5 a.m., something like that.

Stayed out very, very late.

And so the next day, when it was time for the motorcade, they gave the most inexperienced agent a top spot, prime spot, right up next to JFK.

And when they came around Dealey Plaza and Lee Harvey Oswald took the shot, took the first shot,

the Secret Service agent behind him, I know I'm skipping over a lot of stuff here.

Yes, yeah.

But basically, the Secret Service agent behind him got scared.

He fucked up, pulled the trigger, and shot JFK in the back of the head.

And it was actually the Secret Service agent

who accidentally killed JFK.

JFK would have survived the assassination with just a wound had it not been for the Secret Service agent.

He blew off the top of his fucking head.

And that's why.

Two different bullets.

Yeah.

And that's why there was so much,

that's why there was so much intrigue around his autopsy, why we didn't really ever get like a full report on that.

Well, the conspiracy theory then begins at the mortuary.

Like it begins after they're doing the medical examination.

And cover-up begins immediately.

Yes, because they lost the brain.

Well,

quote-unquote, lost the brain unless they did it on purpose.

So

you lose the president's brain.

Yeah, you'd be surprised.

We don't know where Einstein's brain is.

I saw a slice of it at the Moon Museum.

No, dude, that's just, you know what that turned out to be?

It's ham.

Sorry, buddy.

Straight up Virginia ham.

It's the shitty ham, too.

It's the processed ham.

But so one big kind of like major motif we have on last podcast on the left, which is which has kind of both made people happy with us and angry with us, which is awesome, which is we believe that most conspiracy theories hinge on human activities in very small juncture points in history.

I view things as happening way more subtly, not as much of a grand plan.

More things happen accidentally, either because of human error or just human agendas to begin with.

Well, one of the things that we like to say again and again is never confuse incompetence for malice.

And that, I believe, is one of the central questions or one of the central things to keep in mind when it comes to the JFK assassination.

Yeah, because a lot of people had motive to kill JFK.

When we did the series, you'd cover how, like, there was definitely a reason why you'd think that CIA might want to kill JFK.

She had total motive to do it.

Why there were the, obviously, the Cubans and the mafia and all these people that could all come together in one.

We, you know, we joked about how JFK was the most killed man ever.

There was so many people there to kill him.

But the actual mystery starts.

The city of Dallas didn't want him.

They put out a full-page article like, don't come here, go fuck yourself.

They hated him.

It was a vaunted poster that was circulated.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And Lee Harvey Oswald, though, did, in his own personal diaries wrote several entries pro-JFK because JFK was willing to speak to the Russian consulate during the whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing.

So he was like, he had little moments in there.

So that's why I believe there was a series of convoluted mistakes slash actual, what you'd call a cover-up, but they were very human.

So the first cover-up happened because they were.

Secret Service was fighting with the local Dallas doctor team, the medical team at the morgue, right, when they were working on his body, that's saying, we're going to take the body directly to Washington, D.C.

And the head of there, the coroner there was like, no, this is a homicide.

And it happened here in Dallas.

So this is my jurisdiction.

We're going to treat it like any other homicide.

And they said, no, you're fucking not.

That's the president's body.

We're going to do anything that we want with it, which is why they essentially stole the body.

They were fighting over it as they were getting it onto the plane.

But we now believe, that's why, why, but we think that the reason why the cover happened here is because the Secret Service were just covering their own ass to cover up the biggest workplace accident in American history.

In world history, I would say.

Yeah, and it was because it would have made America look so foolish.

You know, it's because, you know, we're in the Cold War.

You know, the Russians are looking for any reason to say, look at how incompetent America is.

Look at how awful America is.

Come on over to our side.

Like, they can't even keep their president alive.

It would have looked absolutely fucking fucking terrible for us to, you know, say, like, well, yeah, Ag, we actually,

sorry, we killed the president.

But if you've got a guy like Lee Harvey Oswald that's connected to the Soviets, then that keeps the Cold War going.

Because I also refuse to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was this, because everyone kind of says, oh, look, you see now like recent, the new dump of all the JFK documents.

But there's nothing in there.

No, but there's more.

The one thing that is in there is more corroboration that Eli Harvey Harvey Oswald was pinging these various

other communist consulates.

Like he tried to go to see the Russian consulate in Mexico, and then he went to Russia and he went back and forth.

And there's a lot of people that put this sinister...

filter on it saying you see here he might have been a double agent he was working both sides but if you then read the reports about Lee Harvey Oswald they all say the same thing this guy's a fucking idiot we don't he's unreliable and he's showing up drunkenly begging to be a communist and coming to Russia.

And then Russians are looking at this guy.

They put him in a little hotel room to watch him when he first comes because they're like, what this, what is this guy's fucking plan?

It seems like he works for our government.

Yes.

It's like, what is he doing?

He's he trying, what, who's he?

It's because.

What do we know about intelligence services?

They famously hire people that are out of pocket.

They hire people that have bad reputations so that you automatically mistrust anything coming out of their mouth, no matter what it is.

It's all sliding together, the truth and lies.

Now, he was, Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine, correct?

Yeah.

And he was a great marksman.

It's conflicting results.

Actually, it's very conflicting results again and again.

Yeah.

Like where some people say that he was, some people say that he wasn't.

It's hard to tell.

And it's also the idea of like the gun that he used was not like a very, you know, it wasn't a solid gun.

It was a cheap mail-order gun.

There's no way that he could have hit it.

It was a hard shot.

It was a hard shot.

It was a very hard shot oh yeah but that was just there it's very hard shot yeah you brought your rifle too and that was awesome too like that when we got surprised what they let you bring in there when we threw the watermelon on the x and you were just able to just pew pew pew i was first of all surprised yeah well because it's very interesting because you look at the window where he shot kennedy from there is a much better shot when kennedy's coming up the street right towards the window yeah that he didn't take and he took the harder shot as he turned and went down the street because he was not a trained assassin yes and he was just a man with normal boot camp training that also was not particularly good at that.

And when he got shot, I also, one of my big conspiracy theory beliefs is that he was not there to shoot JFK.

He was there to kill the governor.

And that when he shot, he missed the governor.

And why would he want to kill the governor?

Because the governor was,

he was, I forgot what it was.

He was, he was angry about something.

This is all from his journals where he was ranting about the governor.

He was ranting about all this shit, but he was like, he kind of did the whole like, and fuck you, and fuck you, JFK, you're cool.

Like, it's like this very strange, he pointedly was angry with the governor.

But then it depends on whether or not you believe that was placed by CIA.

Yeah, for sure.

All right.

So here's what I want to do.

Now, see, the Secret Service thing makes the most sense to me personally.

That's fun.

But there's no way for us to truly 100% know that's correct.

We'll never know.

Yes.

So what I want to do is I want to talk about some other options.

Okay.

Because I was just there.

I was, honestly.

Had a lovely afternoon.

Wasn't it nice?

Yes.

And

did you talk to any of the conspiracy theory buskers?

A little bit, but I didn't want to give them money.

Conspiracy theory buskers are my fucking favorite.

Me and Henry did actually give a guy 20 bucks once just to hear what he had to say.

Yeah.

And it was all nonsense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was all total nonsense, but it was entertaining nonsense.

Oh, very much so.

I was thankful.

It was worth the money.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He had a visual aid and everything.

Oh, I bet.

Visual aids.

You got to be careful.

Got to wear eyeball condoms.

So, all right.

So, here's the thing.

I'm there.

I'm walking around the grassy knoll.

I see the corner of the fence and I see the X.

I go behind the fence.

It's the perfect shot.

Yeah.

It is like the like.

Perfect fucking shot.

And we all know he was a very hated man.

We know that people claim that shots came from behind the fence.

We have people ducked because they were fucking heard bullets whizzing by them and shit, according to their testimonies.

So who would the other shooters have been?

There's a long list, buddy.

Very long list.

Could have been the CIA, could have been the mafia.

Those are the two most likely candidates.

If you wanted to get deep into the conspiracy,

if you have to put somebody behind that fence, I would say you'd put the CIA behind the fence.

Because Kennedy had recently fired Dulles.

Yeah.

Because he didn't like what Dulles was doing.

And he hired, was a guy's name, McCone, I think.

Was the guy was the head of the CIA that Kennedy hired?

I actually have the four names, right, of the guys that might have been a part of the team.

Okay, great.

Hermanio Diaz-Garcia, who was a Cuban exile, right?

There's another guy that was a shady, didn't know whether or not he worked for the U.S.

government or for the Cuban government.

John Soultre, who was a French assassin that was also, who had apparently also tried to kill President Charles de Guerre.

Back in France, right?

These are part of all.

I remember all this from back in the day, like all these people.

Because also, remember, yeah, our JFK series was what?

2020.

That was five, yeah, episode 400 or 500.

It was 400.

400.

It was the,

I remember going into it the February of COVID.

Yeah.

And then Jack Cannon is another guy and Charles Nicoletti.

These are all like shady guys that have all been sort of in and out of the JFK story that have either said that they were there planning to shoot JFK or have been blamed.

And a lot of them are just shady, weird, either assets or guys who wanted to be assets that have over time inserted themselves into the story do we know that they were in dallas there's a lot of stuff yes they were essentially uh there was a guy named bill harvey who worked with operation mongoose there's a cia dude who was another guy that said he was orchestrating it he was the one who put the four of those guys in town and he said that they were operation mongoose was the ongoing cia attempt to kill fidel castro okay so this guy was a guy who was in charge of that he said he was putting the team in place in Dallas and invited them all through separate means.

And one of the big theories is that they were all individually there to kill JFK without knowing.

Yeah.

That each one was set up to kill him without the other person knowing that they were all working as a team.

Fail-safe.

You know, it's like if one person doesn't get him, then another person will.

Yeah.

It's probably good planning.

Yeah.

Now, we know it.

So if the CIA is involved, we know that George Bush works with the CIA, later became the director in the 70s, and he worked with the CIA.

How do we, is there any chance that he was involved?

Well, Herman Walker, H.W.

Yeah, H.W.

Oh, you mean David Coppefield?

Well, those, I mean, the Bush family has been involved in conspiracies for decades.

Like, George Prescott Bush,

it goes way back to the.

With the Nazis and all that shit.

And Vanderbilt Bush, the other guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or Vandervoort.

Vander Vander Vander something.

He was one of those dudes that was a full-on.

They built the fucking country.

Yeah.

So I would say I don't think.

Vannever Bush.

Vannever, yeah.

Yeah.

Not Vandervoort.

Vandervoort.

I think

that was a street in Brooklyn.

I do think that was a street.

But yeah, I don't think George H.W.

Bush, I think he was more on the outskirts at that point.

I don't think he had anything directly to do with it, if there was something to be done.

Well, why would you want your future CIA liaison president to be remotely involved in something like this?

Yeah.

So if you are

13 years down the road, you don't even know that he's going to be the head of the CIA.

If they are thinking long-term like that, that's again, so it's, you have to think about it one way or the other.

So it's either there is a giant conspiracy embedded in the intelligence services and the military, right?

So let's say if that is real, then imagine that they have been planning the fallout from this since.

Because now you have to look at what are they trying to angle towards?

Like, mostly they didn't like that JFK told them no.

They don't like that JFK, the intelligence services didn't like the JFK was going to not allow them to do unfettered warfare in Cuba and across the world, no matter what it is that they wanted to do, right?

LBJ seemed, I guess, to be more amenable to that, but he wasn't necessarily like the guy either.

No, right?

So he wasn't real.

So he also was trying to get out of Vietnam.

Yeah, LBJ very reluctantly got into Vietnam.

That was the last thing LBJ wanted to do.

He wanted to focus on the great society.

Was Kennedy started Vietnam?

Yeah, well, Kennedy was the one who promised the first people.

Yeah, the first troops.

But it even went, there was even stuff involving Eisenhower when it came to Vietnam.

But yeah, Kennedy was the one who committed the first people.

And LBJ escalated it.

And then Nixon escalated it even more.

But yeah, LBJ very did not want to get into Vietnam at all.

But you're going this far.

So again, let's just say they know they don't want any players to be able to not step into place the second that they can get them properly going.

So I don't think anybody that would be able to make those calls would have done it or been involved because they would have been kept separate because that's how these

that's how they work.

CIA and NSA work so that the right hand and left hand don't know what it is that they're doing or what the other one's doing.

And that's also my problem with

sending all four of these guys as like fail safes because with these sorts of operations, like the less people know about it, the better.

Like you don't want a bunch of guys like that are all involved in this massive, gigantic conspiracy.

Like that's part of the reason why like 9-11 conspiracies don't really wash out is because in order for 9-11 as an inside job, in order for that to happen, it would take thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who have all kept quiet.

Yeah.

Like to this day.

And guess what people don't do?

Keep quiet.

They just don't.

I refuse to

disappear.

Well, they do, but still.

But who's doing the disappearing?

Like, that's the thing.

You got to get people to do the disappearing.

And if you're disappearing thousands of people, then that means that there are thousands more people.

Like, it's the, it mushrooms out into how many people, like, the sort of staff that you would need and the sort of people.

Of blind loyalty.

Blind loyalty.

Blind loyalty to this idea of.

You don't think do we have enough of that?

I think there's enough Americans that are blind loyal to do crazy shit.

I mean, look at the military.

But waivers, blind loyalty is also, loyalty is a very funny word.

It's like, it's like there's something about it.

Like we all want to bank on this.

We think of this.

It's actually a very toxic concept.

Like faith, where it's like, you want something without evidence.

You want prizes without work.

You want something without loyalty believes, oh, these people are going to adhere to me no matter what.

But you know what?

Loyalty is funny.

Loyalty shifts.

Things go back and forth because loyalty not deserving is something.

You're going to have a bunch of people who at first believe in this idea about JFK being eliminated and want them out of the way, think that the CIA is correct, think NSA is correct.

You want them to work.

You want to do all this stuff.

But then on some level, humans change.

Humans like, and if you have so many people in the mix, there's just not, I just cannot believe that there's not one of them that's going to want to spill the beans with the receipts.

Well, I think when you talk about loyalty in the military, I think if you look at Vietnam, to bring up Vietnam one more time,

how many guys went into Vietnam fully believing in what they were doing and came out the other end giving Senate testimony?

You know, it'd go like 20 years ago.

Well, when you burn a village, your opinion changes.

If you kill a bunch of whistleblowers, your opinion might change.

If you're asked to just kill a bunch of people, then your opinion might change.

And I think it's the same thing.

Like, people do have an upper limit for how much they can handle.

and how much they can do, you know, and I think that there's just too many people involved, or there would have to be too many people involved for the sorts of conspiracies uh that you know a sort of like jfk like you know get four people in there you know this massive government thing like within the government too many people involved for it to stay a secret this long yeah oswald so i'm pretty sure we all think that lee harvey oswald was involved like oh yeah he was

one of the guys that shot he's the one who he definitely took the shot and he i think he definitely hit the president yeah so

would that is he a patsy though No, I think I think that Lee Harvey Oswald was working entirely on his own as an agent of chaos.

What about that weird photograph?

The one with him holding the Russian document and the rifle in his backyard where the shadows don't line up?

Like, what's the deal?

Like, was that faked, or was it because he always claimed it was fake?

They had said that it was faked.

And I could see it possibly being faked again to muddy the waters.

Like, if you're going to fake it after the fact, it's really just to put more blame on him and more blame shifted over because the government is obviously very, if they do believe, if they are covering up a Secret Service fuck-up, having to be a lone gunman is what you want.

You wanted to be the lone gunman.

So I could see you pushing some information that way.

I just think that Lee Harvey Oswald was too much of a talentless fuck-up to make history purposefully.

Yeah.

And he probably was going to spill some beans.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, he was going to spill fuck.

He already was spilling beans.

Yeah.

But then, of course, like Jack Ruby, that's a fascinating side story in itself.

Well, that is my next question, actually.

How did Jack Ruby know Oswald?

We know he owned a nightclub and he had ties to organized crime.

Yeah.

But how did he know Oswald?

It seems like they knew each other personally, right?

Maybe.

That is

the real conspiracy theory.

That's real deep in about whether or not you believe that they had any sort of run-ins with each other.

It does sort of seem.

You could see how a local fat fuck might want to just be a part of the story.

Like, again, there's more.

I do think there's a lot of that that i do wish more was he a showman like that yes he was a very flashy guy he's a local known entity he was kind of he thought of himself but he's like as a mobster kind of guy and a patriot yeah and a patriot the idea that you're like being like you're gonna come into my town you're gonna come my town kill president my town i killed presidents in this town yeah you know well there's also some really there's some interesting stuff i i know we're gonna get to this subject later, but I definitely, I don't want to lose this.

I've learned this recently.

There is some some weird connections between Jack Ruby and MKUltra.

Yes.

Were you going to bring that up?

MK Ultra is next on my list.

So let's go for it.

Well,

the weird connection between Jack Ruby and MK Ultra is that, you know, Jack Ruby was supposedly going to, at one point, like kind of spill the beans and say, like, okay, here's what I had, like, here was my connection to it.

Here's what I was going to, like, he was going to go testify.

But right before he was about to testify, he was visited in prison.

And I learned this through that book, Operation Chaos, about the Manson family and the possible CIA connections, which is fucking fantastic.

It's both fantastic and frustrating all at the same time.

But the guy

just before Jack Ruby was about to testify, he was visited by a man named Jollion West.

Oh, wow.

Who was a massive part of MKUltra?

He was the guy that fed all the acid to the elephants.

He basically like pumped a bunch of acid or a bunch of acid in elephants until they shit themselves to death um but he visited jack ruby just before jack ruby was about to testify and then all of a sudden jack ruby's lost his mind like jack ruby he does not like he was not fit to testify after that after this visit from jollian west who was a central figure in mk ultra and also had connections to charles man

uh and the clinic that charles man went to in san francisco before charles man went to los angeles where he did everything that he did.

Can I ask you a question?

What do you think it was that he was going to say?

Jack Ruby, what would be a fucking clue?

I had no idea.

That's a part of me that I want to know.

There's a part of me that actually wonders if there's more.

When we

humans don't like an open loop.

Yeah.

An open loop is makes people crazy.

And so what they'll do is jam a bunch of stuff in there to make it like, I think that a sinister view on this is a much more comforting view than something

kind of dumber mixed with more human.

Where what if Jack Ruby is there to say,

I had heard about Lee Harvey, he was like a guy.

He was kind of in and around, right?

He was kind of a local scummy guy.

You know, who knows?

You could have come to his establishment a couple of times.

Kind of sort of.

Yeah.

But maybe Jack Ruby was even providing more evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a backwards fucking shithead that couldn't fucking nail a tin can from 25 feet away.

Maybe there's something like that.

I don't know.

Like, maybe the idea of

they all wanted to make sure that nobody talk, that nobody talked about it at all.

Because if you look at what Jollion West did to, I'm looking this up, what he did to Jack Ruby.

So he goes into, so Jack Ruby had attempted to commit suicide.

He's put back in this room.

Did he get cancer?

Yeah.

Yes.

He was like freaking out inside of his jail cell.

So they send in old cryptic Dr.

West to go talk to Jack Ruby.

He comes out saying, Jack Ruby is completely unreliable.

He believes that there is a massive Jewish genocide happening.

He is, he's in an acute psychotic state.

He says all this crazy shit, which we have not heard from Jack Ruby.

Yeah.

We had never heard.

He didn't talk about this before.

We didn't say this was, there was no manifesto.

There was nothing like him talking about what he was connected to before.

So I actually think that this is definitely some kind of hack job on Jack Ruby because he might have known just like he might have just been another person.

I mean, like, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald?

That's who you think's the master assassin?

Like, I could definitely see that.

Or if you want to get, if you do want to get a little bit deeper into conspiracy theory as far as like covering their tracks,

it is also possible that Jack Ruby was hired by intelligence services to take out Lee Harvey Oswald, that Jack Ruby was the real,

he was the real Patsy, because it might have been possible that they wanted to keep Lee Harvey Oswald from becoming any sort of like communist figurehead.

Oh, definitely.

You know, like that they wanted to keep him from like, you know, talking and, you know, and having a voice because people are going to want to hear from him.

He's the guy who killed the fucking president.

Everyone's going to want to hear what he has to say.

And

they might have wanted to just fucking nip that in the bud and close the loop.

wash their hands of the whole thing and say, hey, everybody, let's move on.

And so Jack Ruby, they're saying he had lung cancer that spread to his brain.

Yes.

Oh, it's very possible.

So that's why he had delusions.

He went crazy and had delusions.

So we, you know, we can believe that or we could say that was made up as well.

Well, I mean, it's that's the thing.

Just because he has brain cancer doesn't necessarily mean that what everything that he's saying is crazy.

But he did have chances to talk and it was just, he was silenced and he didn't get the chance.

Like, we never really heard the full story from Jack Ruby himself.

And he died within a year, right?

Something like that.

Yeah.

Do you think that it's possible he knew he had cancer and that's why he committed the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Maybe.

Maybe he was going to die and he's like, fuck it.

Let's just say that.

He never said anything about that, though.

You never,

we just didn't hear much from him.

Yeah.

All right.

So, we, CIA, major contender here on the murder of JFK.

Sure.

If anybody did it, it would have been the CIA.

They definitely wanted to, but I will say they're just not great at doing assassinations.

Yeah.

You know, they obviously tried to kill Castro hundreds of times and they didn't get him.

Yeah.

Now, do you think it was possibly Alan Dulles loyalists because Kennedy fired Dulles.

It's possible.

It could be.

I mean, I think that there were definitely people.

I mean, there were many, many people in the CIA that were very unhappy with the direction that Kennedy was taking things and with the power that Kennedy was trying to take away from them.

And God, if you would have,

the world would be an entirely different place.

Well, didn't technically, wasn't the one person who technically put a

leash on the intelligence services Gerald Ford.

I believe Gerald Ford was the first one that said, like, you need to report budgets.

Yeah.

You need to actually tell us what you're doing.

So, up until then, they were given kind of impunity to run.

I think that because

what we learned from World War II, CIA and the intelligence services and their win with the Manhattan Project gave them sort of a blank check to kind of do whatever they kind of let them do whatever they wanted when they were the OSS.

Yes.

And so now it's

killing a president

affects their job too.

So

an assassination is a lot more, like, you could get a lot more done with psychological use of information than with an assassination.

Yeah.

Because if you just shoot a president in the head, unfortunately, like it will also cascade into a bunch of reactions that you can't control.

But if you're looking to control reactions, you have to kind of, with the, you know, the Hegelian dialectic, the idea is you create a problem.

The same organization creates the problem that creates the solution so that you can kind of guide the response to both.

And so there's, to me, there is like they get a lot more leverage if they let some psycho-nut communist kill the president and then they ride that for informational psychological warfare.

It's a lot more effective than just straight up shooting him in the head.

And for me, but I think to that point, there was mountains of compromise on JFK.

Oh, he was the fucking person.

He was like, he was fucking everybody.

He was coming over at everything.

He was like, they said he'd get his medicine.

He was fucking three chicks a day.

Like,

he had an Epstein penis.

Like, JFK is a nice guy, I guess, but he had an Epstein penis where he had to be milked.

three or four times a day.

Now, do you think that maybe that's all things that discredit Kennedy and make him look like a bad person?

No.

Well, because you got the same thing with MLK.

All the women.

No, there's horny guys.

You think so?

No, that was very true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, because JFK was very much an adulterer, as was MLK.

They're horny guy.

Very horny guys.

They're stressed.

Yeah.

They're stressed.

They're stressed.

Definitely shouldn't be used against them, but that's the thing is that they did use, like, that's it.

They did use that shit against MLK.

And they could have used that stuff against JFK easily.

They could have easily used that to control them.

But that's the thing.

They did do it on an MLK.

They definitely already used that stuff.

And JFK, I feel like they were holding that in its pocket.

At the time, it was really the first time the United States of America, I believe, were like, I think our president's kind of hot and I like it.

It was like, that was before, like, you remember, there's the first optics president.

Well, it was the, what was it, the first televised debates.

Yeah, the first television.

And anyone who saw it said Kennedy won.

Anyone who listened said Nixon won.

And then Jackie was like, Jackie Jackie changed the idea of this idea of a of pop culture, like a pop culture edge to the popularity of the politician.

That was something that also never really kind of happened before.

I know that like technically, I guess

like Elizabeth Roosevelt, people liked her.

But it wasn't like

Elizabeth Roosevelt.

What's her name?

The other one.

Eleanor.

The other one.

But the thing with Eleanor is Eleanor was like an actual politician who was invaluable to the nation.

Jackie was just a hat.

She was beautiful.

But the hats and the fashion are like what we were talking about with Andrews Brevik and this kind of shit like that.

Fashion and that stuff actually moves way farther than your political actions, especially in the United States of America.

Putting the pop culture.

Shop with Eleanor Roosevelt.

Eleanor Roosevelt was like

Eleanor Roosevelt was a massive, massive political figure.

But then Jackie showed the power.

of that other side

and what that adds to your political power.

She did definitely show that.

No,

Jackie was beloved, you know, with the whole television special where she brought people into the White House.

Like, it was a, it was a big deal.

She just wasn't.

She was packing that booty.

Yeah, she was.

She was gorgeous.

Yeah, but she, she did make JFK far more popular by just her very presence.

Where, whereas, you know, Eleanor Roosevelt could sometimes make FDR less popular because of her more progressive views.

Yes, but also.

Man.

She was an actual politician.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What was I love my favorite?

I know she's the quote machine, Eleanor Roseno.

Oh, yeah.

You never know how a woman's like a tea bag.

You never know how strong she is until you put it in the hot water.

Yeah.

And then she would like everybody.

She remember that favorite quote.

She's like, get up.

Yeah.

My favorite.

Get up.

Stand up and just talk to me like a

my favorite Eleanor quote is that you can never you can't be intimidated without your own consent.

Yeah.

And I think that's one of the most beautiful things I love living by.

Life of North Grave.

All right.

So

MK Ultra, we know they're this is what they're they train assassins through mind control.

They wanted to.

That's what they wanted to.

Ostensibly, yeah.

That was one of many, many, many, many, many goals for MK Ultra.

So any chance that Sir Anne Sirhan, James Rolray, Lee Harvey Oswald were victims of MK Ultra?

Sir Han Sirhan.

Yeah.

Quite possibly.

You know, it's not victims, right?

There's...

Now that there's more evidence showing that Charles Manson might have been at one of these testing areas, and then you have Ted Kaczynski.

He was a part of some of this shit.

It seems that it's not almost there's a, there seems to be a lot of coincidence that when you fuck with somebody's brain, right?

When you when you drop a bunch of acid into their in their heads and they don't particularly understand that that it is what it is that they're going to be taking and it's not our fun acid.

It's not the stuff we take for fun.

It's the you it's like an IV.

Yeah.

That shit's fucking real good, damn.

Yeah, it's got to be crazy.

That I think that it it has a tendency to leave behind somebody who is shattered and violent.

And I think that it's not so much that MK Ultra caused these things as that if they were a part of these things, it might make somebody who wants to kill a public figure.

Well, at the end of the day, MK Ultra just didn't work.

No, so there's no proof that it worked.

No, it did.

Actually, all the proof is that it didn't work.

That's why they try to cover up.

Yeah,

that they just destroyed the lives of thousands upon thousands of people for no good reason based off of a rumor that came from the Soviet Union that the Soviets were doing the same thing.

But MKUltra,

it's the interesting thing about MKUltra as far as the sort of people that may have gained access to it is that Henry mentioned Charles Manson.

And it's not necessarily that Charles Manson was an MKUltra experiment so much as Charles Manson may have taken lessons from the MKUltra experiment that he was a part of and used those same techniques to get people to, you know, do his bidding, not necessarily to kill for him, because I am still somewhat on the fence as far as whether or not Charles Manson truly did say, like, okay, like go out and kill everyone at the Tate House, go out and kill everyone.

Because the Manson thing, like, that's still a knot that we're never going to untie completely as far as like what really...

happened with Charles Manson.

So he's trying to start a race war, right?

No, that was it.

No, no, no, absolutely not.

That's propaganda from Vince Bugliosi.

He wanted something that was a nice, tight story that he could sell in order to get Manson to the gas chamber.

That's what he wanted.

He wanted to make, to get, to tell a story, a very like a crazy story, to be sure, but

a clean story where he could tell a narrative.

But Manson did talk about the race war stuff with his followers, but it wasn't necessarily about

starting the race war.

There's a bunch of different theories as to exactly why, you know, you had the pig stuff and all that.

One of the theories is that it really is like a criminal, you know, it's just a criminal making bad decisions over and over and over again.

A couple of weeks before the tape murders, that's when Gary Hinman was murdered.

Gary Hinman was a

drug dealer

that,

what's his name?

Bobby Busole had kind of had gotten into an argument with, it got into like kind of a disagreement about payment for, I think, speed to some bikers.

Anyway, Bobby Busselt ended up killing Gary Hinman.

And a couple of weeks before that,

Manson had shot a drug dealer named, I can't remember his name, it was like Papa, like Papa, Papa Mooch or something like that.

He got that away, that dude.

Yeah, yeah, but like he shot this black guy that he assumed was a part of the Black Panthers, wasn't.

He was just a pimp.

He was just a black guy, but Manson was deathly afraid of the Black Panthers.

And he was also trying at the same time to get Bobby Bussole out of prison.

That's one of the theories

is

because they had written Pig at Gary Hinman's house to try to blame that murder on the Black Panthers because Manson had the Black Panthers.

Like, he thought he had the Black Panthers on his ass, but they weren't.

They didn't know who he was at all.

And then when Bobby Bussole was arrested, I believe like the day before the Tate murders, either the day before or a couple of days before,

the theory is that Manson told Tex Watson, go get Bobby out of prison.

Go do something to get Bobby out of prison.

And Tex Watson in his, you know, fucked up, like drug-addled brain.

What was the thing he ate?

Nightshade.

Yeah, he ate the whole fruit or whatever.

It's like a thing that you're, so you boil.

Like, apparently that was a big thing with Tex Watson was that they would regularly do hallucinogens.

And one-he was a garbage head.

he didn't take anything.

And they did like a thing, it was something like a peyote type thing where they boiled it.

They boil all the hallucinogenic tea out of it, but then he ate the stuff at the bottom of it.

And they said he was never the same, that he walked around on his hands and feet for a while, and then he came back and he literally was just a fucking psychopath.

Yeah, and Nitchate was like a bad form of acid.

I actually found out, we're researching, yeah, I found out that the New York dolls took it for a little while, too.

There we go.

Angel duster, like with angel trumpets.

Angel trumpets.

But Tex Watson went out and just, they just went way, way, way too far.

And it's possible that, you know, Manson, the next night, God, I can't remember exactly what the narrative was on the criminal stuff.

But it's basically it's

making, like, making these people complicit as well, making everyone complicit in the murder so they don't snitch on each other.

It's like kind of a jail tactic.

There was a really good documentary series, I think, on like Peacock recently about Manson.

Because when we did it,

when we did Manson, and I really want to redo Manson because I've learned so much about it since then.

Please.

We got you, man.

Come on, man.

Give another shot.

But we kind of looked at it, you know, from the perspective of like a failed musician, you know, a failed, you know, a guy who really just wanted, like, the whole reason why he talked about the race war was because he wanted to convince a bunch of 18-year-old girls to move to Death Valley and write doombuggies all day because that's what he wanted.

You just wanted to see him hang out for the most part, but then he, but he was a career criminal, too hot in Death Valley.

Yeah, but he loves it out there.

He loved the desert.

But he may have used like these MK Ultra techniques to kind of control these people, but things got way out of control, way, way, way out of control.

And there's also a conspiracy, government conspiracy convolving Charles Manson

that he may have been,

that he may have been pushed into it because it said that the asset that the Manson family had was Orange Sunshine, which was a government-made asset.

Yeah, that real, the real shit.

Yeah, and when he was going, when he was in San Francisco before they came to Los Angeles, because you know, the whole Manson thing, it's like a year and a half between him getting out of prison and them killing the Tates.

It's like a year and a half.

Okay.

It's fucking insane.

That's why.

But yeah, he shows up on the streets of San Francisco out of prison

and he

basically starts gathering followers, starts gathering girls, and he starts becoming

a pimp as well, and he starts turning out these girls.

All the girls ended up with venereal disease, so they show up at this free clinic in San Francisco that treats venereal disease.

But this free clinic is known to be, it is definitely connected with MK Ultra.

Like Jollyon West was there.

Yes.

Like they were doing, like, Jollyon West was like doing tests in San Francisco.

So Charles Manson Manson and Jollian West were probably there together.

Kissing.

You're kissing.

And one of the conspiracy theories is that they

used Charles Manson to effectively kill the 60s, to kill the hippie movement,

to make it look...

That's the whole thing about Operation Chaos.

It's like, let's make this thing eat itself from the inside and

make it implode, basically.

Because they don't like it when we come together.

Nope.

They didn't like electric guitar.

Nope.

They hated electric guitar.

But that's one of the, and then after, you know, Charles Manson was basically given these techniques or he was maybe pushed in the right direction, that's when he went down to Los Angeles and, you know, hooked up with Brian Wilson, and things just worked out the way they worked out.

I mean, it's a, it is definitely a long road to walk from that San Francisco clinic to, you know, them murdering, you know, five people at the Tate house or five or six, I can't remember, but to murdering all those people at the Tate house.

But there are other really interesting things about it when it comes to the conspiracy world in Charles Manson, where Manson was on parole.

He wasn't supposed to leave San Francisco.

He left San Francisco.

He went to Los Angeles and his parole officer was like, ah, let him go.

Let him go.

Let him go.

He got arrested multiple times every time.

Let him go.

Get him out.

Let him go.

He must have been so annoying.

That's the thing, though, man.

These are the human factors we're talking about.

He's a fucking pain in the ass, weirdo dude.

At the time, he was there for like drugs and pimp things.

He's so tiny, but you look at him, you're like, ah, he's harmless.

Who's

five kids?

He's crazy.

Get out of here.

They're like, get the fuck out of here.

But no, he was let go again.

His people were arrested and let go.

It was, there is a, you know, it does seem like there was a directive from somewhere, from someone, to say, this group of people, leave him be.

Let's see what he does.

But yeah, let's see it, like for no like, and no one can, like, and that's the thing about Operation Chaos, what makes it such a fascinating book and such a frustrating book.

And the author very much cops to this is that he just kept running into these dead ends where he would think that he would get on, you know, the right track, and then he just hit a dead end.

But there's just like so many questions of like, somebody on high, like, and he proved this with paperwork.

Somebody from on high did say, leave the Manson family alone.

Leave Charles Manson alone.

If you arrest him, let him go.

Anytime his name came up in the system, it was like, get him out of here.

So there was somebody that had a vested, in the government, that had a vested interest in what Charles Manson was doing.

We also now know for a fact that CIA definitely was plugged into the Laurel Canyon scene, was plugged into all these different areas, right?

They definitely were.

So then you partially kind of wonder,

was every member of the Manson family a genuine member of the Manson family?

Was anybody member like that's where a conspiracy theory could maybe come out?

Maybe part of the reason why he's saying leave them alone is because they're dead in the center of a bunch of essentially an intelligence op that they don't understand that they're in the center of.

Was there anyone that didn't go to prison?

Well, there was, was it Sandra Good, I believe?

Also, people come to me.

There was one that turned state, the one who told the whole Helter Skelter story.

I don't think, I think she may have gone free.

I think there was one of them that definitely, but that's the whole thing is like the Helter Skelter story.

Like, there's a whole part in the book where it kind of of talks about how the Helter Skelter story was created, where when she was first arrested, she wasn't talking about it at all.

And then

as time went on, the Helter Skelter story sort of became something

that was, it got put at the forefront of everything when, in fact, it was just something, it was just another crazy thing that Charles Manson was talking about to try to get people to do what he wanted them to do.

It was a control thing.

It wasn't necessarily, it wasn't about starting a race war at all.

And now the CIA and the U.S.

government doesn't need to do big ham-fisted, we're going to dump acid into the water.

We're going to do all these things to kind of fuck with people because now they have the total, complete control of the flow of information.

So now they can really fuck with us.

And what I think that that's kind of one of those things that I'm trying to explain more to people is that they don't need an MK Ultra 2 to fuck with us.

We are fucking with ourselves.

Look at at us reacting to the, you know, however you feel, like the idea that we had an objective reality five years ago.

We have a novel virus that is fucking with society.

And

no one's happy about it.

No one likes it.

And look at how we reacted to it.

They don't even, they don't need to fuck with us.

They don't need, they don't need to fuck with us from within.

Human beings' natural paranoia and lack of media literacy alone is enough to manipulate millions of people.

Oh, no.

I mean, they use

the stuff that's been coming up about Facebook, like especially recently with the release of that whistleblowers book, you know, the stuff that comes about how closely the Trump administration worked with Facebook to micro-target people, to micro-target like certain demographics.

Like the people who are now at the right hand of power, you know, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, like that, those are the true conspiracies.

That's the true stuff that is being used by the people in power to control us.

That is how they finally figured it out.

And they're really.

And the thing is, somebody, the wrong guy read Snow Crash a long time ago, is what we're seeing.

The thing is that they are so incredibly good at that.

And that's, and as far as governments go, like when you look at the United States government and when you also look at the Soviet government, or not, soviet, the Russian government and the Soviets back in the day, is that what, as far as conspiracies go, these people are masters at manipulating humans and masters at manipulating, like they understand human nature and they understand how to manipulate us to get what they want.

But when it comes to getting humans to actually do things and when it comes to getting, and when it comes to like putting them together in these like massive operations, that I don't think they're anywhere near as good at.

Like, I really don't.

But they are very good at whipping us up.

And they're really, because if you look again and again throughout history, when you look at people that are able to whip up big segments of the population, like they get into power, they get into control, but it always to a fucking letter ends in absolute and utter complete chaos.

Every single time it ends in chaos and it ends in death and it ends in massive disasters and massive destruction.

Like we saw it happen again and again throughout the 20th century.

It happens that they know how to whip us up.

They know how to manipulate us.

But when it comes to actual plans, no, they do not have that under control.

I was reading a really interesting book about how part of the reason why I think they can't directly control who we are is because we have this thing called consciousness.

So consciousness,

they don't really know.

The question always is,

where does consciousness come from?

But it's never been, the real question is, what is consciousness good for?

Why is it an evolutionary part of what humans have?

Why was it, what was it a thing about it that made us superior to the other animals in order to do this?

And that's why consciousness, because there's one side, it's like, we view it as a great gift, but what if actually it was actually a massive problem?

Human consciousness was a mistake.

It was.

It was.

And maybe that problem is that that eye, that personality, that thing that what we call the, you know, and when you do mindfulness, they talk about the observer, right?

So you, when you go away into mindfulness, when you go away into a meditative state, there is a, when you're deep, deep into it, the idea is that you're trying to get to this idea that you're looking at the observer of your own mind, which is there is that voice, the thing that talks about the thing that makes you Eddie are the things that

kind of makes us what you are.

But they also fuck, it deeply fucks up.

actually

good decision making.

Like consciousness is actually a massive hurdle.

It's a huge energy suck for our bodies and it really fucks up a quote quote-unquote, what's the best way to make a best decision?

Like, if you look at how our consciousness acts unconsciously, like, you know, the idea that we don't, your brain is making the move the half a second before your arm moves, your brain knows it's making a decision.

These are the types of things that make human beings' behavior extremely unpredictable.

And at the very bottom of that, that very, very bottom of that is why the state,

why the concept of a giant overarching conspiracy controlling human behavior will never shake out because humans are in you can throw game theory you could throw they try to do every time and they're always like huh but they you never you can never really expect you know like look at all the people polling all the politicians polling all this shit humans just make decisions in the moment yeah all the time well it's like people are predictable a person is unpredictable yes yes yeah no as a whole people yeah yeah and you know with consciousness and all that i mean like consciousness changes with a a brain injury yeah you know like it's like your personality can be one thing and then like you get zapped or you fucking get hit by a car and you're a different human being for the rest of your life oh yeah man you know oh yeah buddy and so that's what you know mk ultra was probably going for now i wanted to go back for two seconds i know i know we're uh we're getting down to the wire here but um now i would you know what because the 60s are the most interesting part to me okay i think i think they're they're they're so crazy everyone always talks about how like this is the worst time in history It's like, the 60s are pretty fucking bad.

They're crazy.

They were just very, very crazy.

They were nuts.

Yeah.

I actually, I learned

a term today that I'd never heard before.

It's called the cool zone,

where

you're living through a period of history that's very cool to read about in the future, but at the time, it really sucks.

Yes, yes.

And that we are at this moment, like, we're edging closer and closer towards the cool zone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, for sure.

Now,

how it's Suran Saran, James R.

O'Reilly, you know, obviously, you know, huge figures in changing history.

Yeah.

Are we, how certain are we that they worked alone?

We don't know.

Yeah, we don't know.

I mean, James Earl Ray, I would say probably.

He says he does.

He didn't, but, you know, how are you supposed to believe anything he says?

Yeah.

You know, you can't.

I mean, you know, killing Martin Luther King Jr.

at the time, again, I don't think it's as

I just don't think it's as effective as people think it is.

Yeah, and it's not like with Kennedy, there's not like a magic bullet.

There's nothing, you know, there's no crazy things like that.

It's pretty cut and dry, right?

Yes, he had a target on his back, and they went for it.

And when you kill those, but also, what the CIA knows and stuff is a lot of times, if you kill those guys, their move, look at what happened, their movement blows up, right?

So it's the same thing.

It's like it's there,

there is a there's way more nefarious, more capable things in assassination.

Yeah, all I know is that if RFK wouldn't have been killed, I don't know if we would be arguing over whether or not autistic people are persons right now.

Things might have been different.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

No,

they definitely changed it.

But again, it's coming against the, which is another example of, so you're big, the new government's conspiracy theory is that the weakest members of our society are the ones fucking it up.

Yeah.

Which I think is really interesting.

The idea that trans people and people with autism are the problem, which is literally they

are fucked.

Yeah.

They're fucked.

Notoriously peaceful.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, whatever.

It's more just they're fucked with them.

That's just the, that's the fascist playbook.

And it's been like that for forever.

It's like, it's, it goes all the way back, you know, to blaming Jewish people for conspiracies is that they're at the same time the most cunning, evil, you know, brilliant people in existence.

And they're also, you know, subhuman dogs that, you know, can't get anything right or ruining the entire planet.

Like that's, that's how, oh, that's always the fascist playbook, the doublethink.

Like, and it's, it's the exact same shit that we're seeing right now.

I'm just glad that we can tell our employees with autism they don't have to pay taxes.

Does that mean we don't have to pay them as well?

Do we have to pay taxes as well on that?

Yeah, we got to pay it.

Yeah.

All right.

Last one.

I just need to,

if it's too big, we can just tell me to go fuck myself.

But Marilyn Monroe, killed by the government?

Eh.

I don't think so.

You don't think so?

You think it's just a straight-up drug overdose?

I think that she was killed by the government and the fact that she fucked

the president of the United States of America and it did ruin her life.

I think that that's what you could mean by killed the government.

Killed by the government.

I don't think that they needed to whack her to ruin her life.

And I think that being involved with the Kennedys.

automatically ruined her life.

I think that everything that was attached to them became poisonous.

Everything changed.

They used her.

She was an innocent, she was an innocent woman that was attracted to these people.

I mean,

I never agree with, like, you shouldn't infant, like, we shouldn't infantilize Marilyn Monroe.

Marilyn Monroe was a brilliant woman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's a genius.

Yeah, yeah.

She was a great actress.

She was able to manipulate pretty much all of men.

She was not, but she was not.

When I read beautiful, I think Marilyn Monroe was an extremely missed, she's a misunderstood person.

And

she was not manipulative at all.

Like, she just

didn't know what to do with herself.

She was so smart, and she was very, and she's intense and beautiful and emotional, but she was attracted to a type.

Powerful, powerful.

And so those are types, and she had access to that.

And so she got access to it.

And I just think, again, I just think we put a lot of stank on this idea that these people need to be assassinated when it's like, I think they don't, they knew that she was cruising for a bruising anyway.

And if she needed to

If she was going to spill the beans, she was going to be dead one way or another.

I think, I think that she

legitimately was just really saddened by the shakeout of everything and committed suicide.

Any legitimacy to the theory that she was pregnant with JFK or RFK's child?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think so.

I think most, at the end of the day, most conspiracies are there because

we don't like

the reality.

Like, we don't like the reality of what happened.

Like,

we don't like the reality that like this this woman who supposedly had it all could still be

sad enough to kill themselves.

Yeah, sad enough to die by suicide.

Those are the realities we don't like to think about.

We don't like to think that one

crazy fucker, you know, one asshole, you know, with a vendetta or one asshole who wants to be famous can change the course of American history.

And we definitely don't like to think that it can be changed even further by complete and total happenstance.

We don't like to think that there was a group of people in a cave in Afghanistan that could bring America to its knees.

It's so incredibly easily.

We don't like to think about these things because it makes the world such a scarier place.

It makes it scarier to live in.

It makes it scarier to live in our own heads.

If you think that Marilyn Monroe, if you think like, well, if that woman can't, if she can't survive this life, how the fuck can I?

You know, like if you think like that, you know, these people in, and you know, in Afghanistan can bring the entire government, and honestly, they won.

I mean, they did it.

They wanted

every single fucking goal that they had.

Yeah, they destroyed American supremacy across the world.

They did everything that they were supposed to do.

We fell for it, hook line, and synchron.

And as soon as it happened, I was like, this was done.

This could have been done by five people.

Yeah.

You know, like, it's one of those things.

Again, just, it doesn't, that's why, like, on one hand, yes, a conspiracy does take a lot of people, but you know, think about it in the 9-11 conspiracy, they're all dead.

So, everybody that was involved in that side of it, in terms of the people that might have talked about who would have paid for it, they're all fucking dead.

We've never seen Osama bin Laden's buddy, we don't know any of this type of shit.

So, it's like there was

a couple of guys, we had like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

You know, like we did, there were definitely guys that we got that were like that we took alive, but I'm just saying

this is the next episode.

9-11's our next conspiracy episode.

Yay!

Yay!

Let's do it on

September.

Yeah, let's do it.

in September.

Oh, it's actually perfect for when we go on break.

Yep.

All right.

So next time, 9-11, after that, COVID.

Yay!

Perfect.

Yay!

Can we talk about it soon?

You know, we're getting there.

Yeah, we're back there.

We're really getting there.

That's ready to talk about it.

We're talking about our personal experiences.

Oh, I'm honestly, I am getting ready to talk about it.

Yeah.

Hell yeah, guys.

Well, thank you so much for talking to me about these things.

It's good to really bounce the ideas ideas off.

I still think our theory about the

workplace accident holds the most water.

It does.

I think it's just, I just think, to me, it's so funny because everybody thinks that the other way.

Like, I think it's so interesting.

Yeah, it's so much more interesting.

Yeah.

And it's the one that has actually the most evidence behind it.

There's a ton of evidence behind it.

I mean, I know there's some people that say that there's some contradictory evidence, but yeah, there's contradictory evidence for everything.

And this is the one for me that makes the most sense.

It makes more sense than Le Harvey Oswald.

Like, that's the thing.

Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone makes more sense than the CIA killing him, but the Secret Service agent accidentally shooting JFK in the back of the head makes more sense than Lee Harvey Oswald getting both shots off.

Yeah.

Three shots, right?

Total?

Yeah.

Bytecatering.net also has a slider bar option.

Oh, okay.

I'm looking at this.

It's in the LA area, so

I'll make you sliders.

All right.

If you would have came to Easter, I had ham sliders for everybody.

I was asleep.

Yeah, you fucked up.

I fucked up.

You could have had ham and cheese with mustard sliders yesterday, but you chose to stay home.

You know what's weird?

I say that a ham and cheese, that to me is just a little sandwich.

It's not a slider.

When you put it on a slider bun.

But I feel a slider is different than a little sandwich.

Yeah, I agree with Henry here.

That's a little sandwich.

Wow.

I think that's another fucking fool's.

No, I think that is.

I think I don't believe the whole episode now.

Well, I'll say everybody.

Thank you for being here.

And I know I definitely said some shit that was wrong.

I know I definitely said some shit that was wrong here and there.

But it's conspiracy.

But yeah, yeah, you know, it's just, we're having fun here.

Go check out Green Dot Stables, Detroit area.

It's one of my favorite slider restaurants I've ever been to.

I love that place.

God, that fish fry sandwich is so fucking good.

Still thinking about it.

And thanks to everyone out in Detroit who came out to our show.

It was such a fun fucking time.

I love Detroit so much.

Best record stores in the country.

The Motown Museum was a fucking blast.

Oh, my God.

We love Detroit so much.

It's unbelievable.

We know you're like, you're fucking, you're, you're pulling yourself up from the bootstraps.

We're here to fucking support you, Detroit.

We love you.

It's going to be a great city in like five to ten.

It's a great city now, but it's going to be like a truly like great, like current like mecca in America.

I love 10 years.

Totally love Detroit.

And it was just wonderful to be there.

And I just thank God we get to do shows there.

Free the Robocop statue.

I'm sick of this shit.

See it?

And if you want to see video episodes of this show or watch last stream on the left live go to patreon.com slash lastpodcast on the left to become a member uh check out all of our socials uh at lp on the left on tiktok and instagram and don't forget to come out to all the other shows we got going on this year go to lastpodcaston the left.com for all the dates but ed's going to tell you about a couple of them that's right well currently this is friday i'm in key west okay fucking get your ass to my show if you if there's happenstance that you are in key west i am there friday saturday sunday doing badass shows at comedy key Key West.

Come check it out.

But next month, oh my God, we are booked for the rest of the year.

We are.

All right.

June 28th, Atlanta, Georgia, the Coca-Cola Roxy.

July 12th, Salt Lake City, Sandy Amphitheater.

August 8th, Charlotte, North Carolina, the Night Theater.

August 9th, Durham, North Carolina, the Carolina Theater.

September 20th, St.

Paul, Minnesota, the Palace Theater.

October 11th, Paps Theater in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

October 25th, Oakland, California, the Fox Theater.

November 29th, Cleveland, Ohio, the Masonic Temple.

December 12th and 13th, we're in Portland, Oregon at Revolution Hall.

It is going to be amazing.

Also, cannot win.

Also, we got side story shows attached to Atlanta at Dad's Garage on June 29th.

And then, of course, Henry and I,

the beautiful, Crime Wave at Sea.

Go and see it.

CrimeWave at Sea.com slash last.

We're going to have so much fun.

You're going going to die out there.

That's right.

So come on a cruise.

Henry and I are doing side stories, three nights of shows.

It's going to be a blast.

So come check it out.

And we love you guys.

All right, you fuckers.

Hail, Sweet Satan.

Oh, Hagin.

Hail, Marilyn Monroe.

Yeah.

I love her.

I love to go watch some White It Hot.

Yeah.

And My Week with Marilyn was a really good movie.

I don't know if you guys checked it out or not.

I haven't seen it.

Yeah, it was very good.

Oh, well.

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