Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 40: Squad Gourds

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Speaker 1 Hello and welcome. To Rewind with Karen in Georgia.
It is Wednesday, which can only mean one thing.

Speaker 1 That means we're trapped in your phone, in your ears, and we're forced to recap our old shows with all new commentary, updates, and insights. Forced.
We have the privilege of being forced.

Speaker 1 Today we're recapping episode 40, which at the time we named Squad Gourds.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Iconic.
So iconic. Just FYI, this episode came out on October 26th, 2016.
That's the same day Marty McFly traveled back in time. That's fun, right?

Speaker 1 Because we're about to travel back in time, but although he traveled back to 1955, we're going back to 2016.

Speaker 1 And it also doesn't work because we're going back to October 26th and he was traveling from the you're overthinking. You're overthinking this.
Let's just listen to the intro of episode 40. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's start with a prayer. Yes.
Good idea.

Speaker 1 Dear Oprah, can you help us, please? Please. Oprah.
Oprah, we just need $10,000,000. What if we were like,

Speaker 1 Oprah's our guest at the Chicago Podcast Festival?

Speaker 1 Someone asked us that on Twitter. Right.
That's right. They were like, is the guest going to be Oprah? And I immediately wrote no, because I just didn't want her to be sad or have any big feelings.

Speaker 1 I wonder if she would talk about murder. I feel like like she's like not in that headspace anymore.
Oh, but I feel like that's what that show was.

Speaker 1 I mean, like in the beginning, that show was like, oh, Sam lit his child on fire. Like, they gave him a makeover.
For real, that show was like, oh, really, Sally Jesse, Raphael?

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to take it one step lower. Yeah.
However, there is one episode where club kids are on one of their shows and it's like fucking epic.

Speaker 1 On Sally Jesse? I think so.

Speaker 1 I feel like I've seen like screen grabs from that. Yeah.
Anyways.

Speaker 1 Like, go ahead. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No. I won't.
No, and.

Speaker 1 I just no anded you so hard. Okay.
The first thing I would like to talk about is how we, although it is not our birthday, nor is it yet Christmas. You and I? Yes.
We got a surprise gift from Stephen.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 And you guys,

Speaker 1 if you ever want to get me a gift, don't bother, Because this is the only gift I've ever wanted. Stephen brought Georgia and I the book Mysteries of the Unknown, the Time Life series we each had.

Speaker 1 That we talked about last week. And then he went on eBay.
He must have had to overnight these on eBay. I mean, here's the problem.
Spend all the money in the world.

Speaker 1 The problem is you're so like, he brought over a bot, like we were drinking, we drank my whiskey, and he brought over a bottle.

Speaker 1 And like, Stephen, no, you're like, we're supposed to be buying you all the shit.

Speaker 1 You're our unpaid intern.

Speaker 1 It's so thoughtful. But I I get college credit

Speaker 1 at Scientology. You got me Phantom Encounters.
I mean, we were going to co-own these, though, right? Because

Speaker 1 the second he handed you yours, I was like, but wait, what's that one? We share these with the universe. That's true.
Mine is, except for you guys can't borrow. Mine is Mystic Places.

Speaker 1 Which was the one in the Google image.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. With the pyramid in the eye and the Sphinx.
Some Illuminati shit. It is.
So crazy. This is beautiful.
I mean, I just can't stop staring at it. It's the best gift.
Here's one, one.

Speaker 1 Here's an article. Here's a page titled Banishing Baneful Ghosts.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Who came up with that? Just some bullshit time writer who was like... So unhappy.
Yeah. They were like, I'm so sick of talking writing about Nixon and Shakespeare's haunted stage.

Speaker 1 I'm getting a paycheck. Mine's tracking the Earth's energies.
And look at this guy who has like those crazy sticks that go in different directions.

Speaker 1 He looks like he has one of those hats on that have like a pinwheel at the head on the top. Oh, Stephen.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah, this is amazing.
Stephen Ray Morris from the Percast podcast. We should actually put these down because now we're reading books on our podcast.
Oh, my God. That's how good they are.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was

Speaker 1 terrifying. These are, I feel like these were on every coffee table in the 80s.
Yeah. Where like if you went to your boring aunt's house and got stuck,

Speaker 1 my mom's classic thing was, sorry, it's adult time. So we would get like banished into the TV room.
And then if nothing good was on TV, because there were only four channels, because I'm 67,

Speaker 1 God bless the house that you went to that had a Time Life series book on the coffee table.

Speaker 1 Do you remember those people's houses you used to go to, like friends or boyfriends' families when you're like staying for Christmas or whatever?

Speaker 1 And it was like you had memorized the one magazine that they had in the bathroom because you went to the toilet to fucking escape just family.

Speaker 1 And so you knew the fucking, the fucking Us Weekly from 10 years ago. Not 10, like it's more like four or so, but it's still somehow crazy outdated.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Like I would have memorized every word of these books as a kid because I would have just read them over and over again at my aunt's house. That's right.

Speaker 1 And nothing when I was a child was catered to us. There was a box of toys that were entertaining when we were under, three and under.

Speaker 1 And then it was like, and if something good's on TV, or even if something...

Speaker 1 My boyfriend's here.

Speaker 1 Bye. Cool writer.

Speaker 1 We played, I remember this as a kid. Like, here's what it was like.
We played with kitchen utensils under my grandma's grand piano. And you need to shut the fuck up and play with this ladle from 1960.

Speaker 1 And like pretend it's something. Yes.
Just use your imagination.

Speaker 1 Potato masher? Ours was always just go outside because we would like, we were on a farm.

Speaker 1 There was all kinds of shit you could be doing outside. Everyone has lime.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 God, these children are tired.

Speaker 1 So thank you, Stephen. You're the greatest.
Yeah, Stephen, we really appreciate it. You're an angel human.

Speaker 1 Couple, should I just do some Twitter corners? Hell yeah. Because there's been some great stuff happening on our Twitter page.

Speaker 1 First of all, Krista tweeted at us because Gary Condot is going to appear on Dr. Phil.
Shut up. Uh-huh.
He's going to discuss the Chandra Levy murder on Dr. Phil.

Speaker 1 It took me a minute because I'm so bad with names, but now that I'll make sense of it. Yeah, sorry, I should have included both.

Speaker 1 I'm just trying to open this link so I can tell you exactly what's going to happen. But I could also ask my friend

Speaker 1 because it may have already been taped.

Speaker 1 Well, so we know that now the person who got, who was suspected of killing Chandra Levy was let go. And so they're starting to open up that maybe it was Gary Condant, the former senator.

Speaker 1 Well, they're, they're basically, they exonerated the person who was in jail for the murder. Right.
And they're, they have reopened the investigation.

Speaker 1 No one's named Gary Condant specifically, but we do know that they've gone back in, they're looking into like basically people who gave him,

Speaker 1 what do you call that? Like, i was there alibis alibis alibis

Speaker 1 they're called the i was theres

Speaker 1 were the best i was there when he wasn't killing her i believe oh alibis man those things get shaky after fucking a couple of years that's right and it's been quite some time oh man and you know he's had another affair and so his wife is like you know what Fuck this.

Speaker 1 He wasn't at home with me watching fucking Matlock. Yeah, I feel that's kind of the

Speaker 1 key to like an old cold case. Totally.
Is you get those people who are like, oh, yeah, remember your awesome boyfriend that you would have done anything for in 1985, who is a murderer?

Speaker 1 And it turns out wasn't all that cold. He actually wasn't with me that night.
It turned out he also loved to give me the back of his hand across the face often.

Speaker 1 And he came home that night covered in blood. He was just, he looked like a tomato.

Speaker 1 So anyhow, that's going to be on Dr. Phil.
I can't find a date. No, that's exciting.
The link is on our Twitter feed. Also, the other thing I just wanted to give a shout out because

Speaker 1 we had been talking last week about how we hate carving pumpkins. Oh, no, what happened?

Speaker 1 Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect Halloween jack-o'-lantern goals for us. And this is it.
It's the tiniest face

Speaker 1 carved into a pumpkin. And it made, when I saw it, it made me laugh so hard.

Speaker 1 It's like an emo, it's like the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji, like the happy face emoji. That's all I want in life.
But then I'm on the hugest pumpkin.

Speaker 1 So it's basically like this person took a pen and stuck it into a pumpkin. It's so and then they were like, Where's my wine? And where are my Ritz crackers? I'm done.
You can laugh out loud, Stephen.

Speaker 1 That's good stuff. So

Speaker 1 thank you so much, Caroline, because I really loved that. Can I have a quick, um, I, quick pen corner? Please do.
Squad gourds. Set of calls.

Speaker 1 Squad gourds? Because a pumpkin is a gourd. Let me explain this.

Speaker 1 My comedy is like kind of, you know, like, it's intellectual. It's written.
It's squad gourds. It's written.

Speaker 1 It's a reader comedy. You gotta.
Squad gourds. That's really good.
Like, give me a hot minute. Mimi loves it.
No, my God, Mimi's crying, laughing right now. You can't see it, but try.

Speaker 1 She looks so bored. That's amazing.
It's really good. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Oh, and then the

Speaker 1 we got that super awesome

Speaker 1 for somebody. I'll find her name right now.

Speaker 1 Her name is Jessica Hullinger, and she wrote an article for the week called Why I Am a Murderino. That was, and I love when people write articles.

Speaker 1 It's been, you know, there hasn't been a lot, but when they write them and they post photos of other people of fan, like Murderino's fan art. Yes.

Speaker 1 Because that makes, it's so great to get other people's art out there. It's very cool.
It's like it's one huge communal effort, kind of. Yeah.
Also, the name of the article is I Am a Murderino.

Speaker 1 I added the why because I can't not do that. What did you say? Why I am a Murderino.
Oh, that's weird. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 So I want to go ahead and give someone that we need to find on the Facebook group credit for making up the word murderino. Yes.
Who is that person? It's a dude and he's like, hey, I came up with that.

Speaker 1 So we need to find him. Oh, someone.
People are like, not people. Some people are like, let's get that fucking word in Webster's dictionary.

Speaker 1 Okay. I mean, if.
Too much for you. I hate stuff like that.
But I don't mean for us. I mean that, I mean that the word, that that word means people who are really into true crime.

Speaker 1 I don't mean like from the my favorite murder podcast. I mean like the people who are into true crime.
Like who are who are you? What do you I'm a murdererna? I like that.

Speaker 1 I just feel like whenever we say the words like let's get this going then there's gonna be like

Speaker 1 you know, a bunch of people are like they want us to do it. So let's do it.
Which I could that's kind of stuff is

Speaker 1 of all the things we should be putting our effort behind. Let's get Trump in the White House.
That's the thing that I want everybody to really get feet on the sidewalks about.

Speaker 1 Karen, people are going to think you're talking. I posted something today of like, Hitler is Trump.
And like, look at all these photos.

Speaker 1 And someone was like, oh, thank God that I thought I heard you last week say that you were voting for Trump. And I got scared.
You know what?

Speaker 1 If you're scared, goodbye, because that means you don't have a sense of humor. Yeah.
Please.

Speaker 1 I would say 75% of the things I'm saying are either sarcastic or lying. It's that's the kind of the jungle of a personality that I have.
And that's why I love you, man. Squad gourds.

Speaker 1 Fucking squad gourds, girl.

Speaker 1 Okay, I have something to talk about. Okay.
From Instagram. You had Twitter corner.
I have Instagram corner. That's right.
All right.

Speaker 1 I'm sitting at a bar, as I do, on Saturday night, The Roost, which is one of my favorite bars in LA. Very cool place.
Divey as fuck.

Speaker 1 Hanging out with my friends. And then I like scroll to Instagram and someone tagged me in something.
And I opened it and almost started crying and just turned it to my friend and showed her.

Speaker 1 And she looked at me like

Speaker 1 you know like one of those dude looks yeah have you seen this

Speaker 1 oh yeah you sent that to me all right okay well so pill worm on instagram motherfucking got a gorgeous tattoo that says stay sexy don't get murdered and am i wrong to say that it looks like i'm assuming that's a woman Yeah, just because that's the usual.

Speaker 1 I think it's on her like back shoulder. Yeah, but it's like across her back shoulder.
Big.

Speaker 1 I just wonder like, what if it turns out, oh, yeah, no, we were serious about Trump. And she's like, oh, fuck, I have this tattoo on this person.
These awful people are like, oh, no, we're racist.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 She's like, wait a second. I just write as the tattoo machine is like,

Speaker 1 there you go. $75.
It's a beautiful tattoo. And it's by a girl named Her Under Jaw Tattoos, JIW Tattoos, made it.
It's like really well done and gorgeous tattoo. And I'm like in awe of it.

Speaker 1 It's beautiful. And I have to say you sent me that picture.
My sister sent it to me. Adrienne sent it to me and April sent it to me.
Like I got it was like ding ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 1 There's another one too that I just we can't I have I feel like we have to give credit to because it's like this tattoo that she that Pilworm got is me in my 20s.

Speaker 1 This tattoo that this other girl is me in my like

Speaker 1 teens. Yeah.
And it's a poke it's a pokey tattoo that you do when

Speaker 1 you just and I underneath this beautiful tattoo on my leg are the initials of my best friend from when I was 14 with Indian ink. Yeah.
And so this girl did that.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to keep talking until I find it. It says fuck politeness.
She and she said

Speaker 1 it's a stick and poke. Yeah.
I guess it's called. Yeah.
And she wrote, fuck politeness and stick and poke. And her name is Paulina with three A's and an underscore at the end.

Speaker 1 And you can see her tattoo. It's on our, it's on Twitter up here on Instagram.
Yeah, yeah. Man.
It's very cool. Fucking dig it.
I mean, it's nice that it's, there are things that people really

Speaker 1 are resonating and making people feel good and things that they like and that are enhancing their lives.

Speaker 1 Considering just the amount of shit that comes out of our mouth that we just don't think twice about, and then, like, you know what I'm saying? My Trump material.

Speaker 1 Is that what you're talking about again? That comes out of Karen's mouth. No, I started to start.
I was at that

Speaker 1 and I almost started crying, and I'm so fucking honored. And it's amazing.
It's awesome. Okay, this is

Speaker 1 like, we'll call this Laura Corner because my sister, the lurker,

Speaker 1 call it the other Kilgara.

Speaker 1 The other white Kilgara.

Speaker 1 She loves the Facebook page and goes on there all the time. She's so touched by the fact that there's all these rad people talking to each other, supporting each other, you know.
About her sister.

Speaker 1 What's that? About her sister. Right? No.
She's my sister. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, but yes, but also talking to you. She's like, they're all so nice.
They're so fucking nice.

Speaker 1 I mean, everyone's just cool and chill. So, but she found this, and it's her favorite.
It's a guy named Dylan who's in the Army.

Speaker 1 And he wrote and said, I'm in the Army, and I always give a short, semi-serious statement to the service personnel I supervise on Friday before we leave for the weekend.

Speaker 1 Usually, I end with something like, Be safe, don't die. But today, I said, Stay sexy, don't get murdered, and then just walked away to a bunch of guys in the military.

Speaker 1 The funny looks I got made it totally worth it. Just wanted to share that.
I love you. Oh, my God.
Thank you for your service. Oh, my God.
thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for all the people you freaked out for their service. But also the idea that we crossed over into a military.

Speaker 1 Oh, who you?

Speaker 1 What? Do you know me? Hey. Hey.
That is the coolest. It's so crazy.
And, oh, I also want to give a shout out.

Speaker 1 Speaking of everyone being cool and awesome on the Facebook group, the moderators are fucking, they're, you know, amazing. They best, they bust their asses.

Speaker 1 Getting school of everyone, and it's the best. Thank you guys.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else?

Speaker 1 Wow. Let me look at my list.
I made a list in a font that looks like it's, if there is a four or two font, that's what I did because it's tiny and I can't see it. You can't see anything.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Here it is. Go.
And we got lots of people reached out to tell us about this.

Speaker 1 Because it happened in Sacramento. The woman who was walking up the street with a head on a stick.
Did you hear about this story?

Speaker 1 You didn't? Am I the one telling you first? A head on a stick? Girl, fuck Sacramento. You guys have some fucking ether in it.
It's a floodplain, and no one has anything to do.

Speaker 1 Everyone's just huffing shit. They're just hot.
You know what I mean? It's like

Speaker 1 there's fumes coming up from melting acid. Do you know what else? Everyone has fucking lime there.
I promise you.

Speaker 1 Because you run through a full, you run through a field, a cornfield, lime, lime, lime, lime, lime. And then your brain goes crazy.

Speaker 1 It's true. I mean, I can't argue this.
Right. But then you put a fucking head on a stick.
So apparently this woman had found a dead body in an abandoned homeless encampment. What?

Speaker 1 Somewhere. And I actually looked it up on a map because I was like, where, where did this happen? Like,

Speaker 1 all I could picture was myself in the late 80s, early 90s, driving all hot and bummed out in Sacramento and then looking over on the sidewalk. And a woman with a head on it.

Speaker 1 Now, or would you, here's what my problem is, is I would be the person who would who would come upon that abandoned homeless encampment and want to search through it. Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, you would, if, if you're like out in the woods or something, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, people lived here, but they're not here anymore. Why? It's like detectiving.

Speaker 1 You're like, well, there's got to be a note. So seats that show when they were there, you know.

Speaker 1 The story, the article I read was limited information. I feel like more to come.
But it seems like this woman herself is homeless. And

Speaker 1 the first article I read said head on a stick. But then when I looked into it, it was a skull on a stick.
So it's not going to be

Speaker 1 as totally nightmare town as it seemed, like as they were kind of selling it. Yeah.
But still. The media was making something seem more.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 But in the picture, it was pixelated. So there's a chance that there was some bad action on that skull.
So anyway, I'm very interested to see what the next phase of like. So obviously they took her.

Speaker 1 Everybody saw her walking down the street. Why did she do that?

Speaker 1 Well, here's my theory is either maybe she was mute or she knew that there would be a communication problem if she said, I found a dead body. She wouldn't be able to express herself correctly.

Speaker 1 Do you think she was mentally disabled? Well, I don't know. I mean, she's a homeless person and her choice was to put a head on a stick and walk up the street with it.
Leave it there.

Speaker 1 But also.

Speaker 1 She decided to put a head on a stick and walk up the street with it. So I think she probably was like, this is going to be the quickest way to get health.
And I don't want to touch it.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to put it on a stick. I'm not going to put it on the top of my head.
I'm not going to put it on my fist and like use it as a puppet. Oh, no, I'm being distressed.
No, it's all so bad.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so we will, I'm going to keep my eye out for that story and what.

Speaker 1 even what all of that is. You know what's so bananas to me and like of these stories that you hear and then you'll never hear about it again.
I know.

Speaker 1 It's these like this person got killed in a hit and run accident and then you just never hear about it again.

Speaker 1 Well, the bummer, too, is like if this, this was an abandoned homeless encampment and somebody died there, and who knows what the circumstances were, but they said the body

Speaker 1 had been there for a while. So,

Speaker 1 you know, they probably won't be able to get a lot of information. And then it's just going to be like, yeah, and that's what happened.

Speaker 1 And like, someone hasn't heard from their brother in fucking 15 years. Oh, my God.
I'm making myself want to cry. I know.
So, anyway, there's crime all around us, but especially in Sacramento.

Speaker 1 Everything's the worst. Just look for the best things in life.
Get cats. Be snaphouses.

Speaker 1 Get a dog. Dogs are good too.

Speaker 1 Should we do our podcast?

Speaker 1 And we are back. Okay, can I explain squad gourds? Because I've been thinking about it since this episode.

Speaker 1 For eight or nine years. Yes.
Absolutely. I was thinking of squad goals, which was a big like hashtag saying at the time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I should and could have said squash goals which would have been i still am like why didn't you say well i made it harder for myself by saying squat instead of squash goals i said squad gourds yeah squad gourds which is just like how my like i think to me that's a great example of how my brain works because your brain doesn't work like the hashtag gals yes it's very different it's a little harder it's going to take a longer route and it's but it'll get there and then the people who are there when it gets there those are my people yes right Also, it's the thing, you always say a thing.

Speaker 1 As a stand-up comedian, you get trained to guess the joke, right? Right. So when someone is in a setup, you're like, I know what you're going to say.
Yeah. And that is basically what you do.

Speaker 1 And that's why comics are so insufferable because they always have that kind of attitude. Like, and you can't make me laugh because I already get the joke.
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 I just knew you were going to say that. And I never know what the fuck you're going to say.
And in the biggest compliment way.

Speaker 1 And same with my friend Kevin Christie one time texted me because he was like binging our show. And he goes, I swear to God, I just never know what she's going to say.
And I was like, I know.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. Oh, my God.
I might cry. You know, the thing,

Speaker 1 oh my God, that's really touching because as a kid, I was like that. And it made my life really fucking difficult and hard.
And like made me,

Speaker 1 I got get teased a lot and bullied because I was exactly like that. And I couldn't fucking control it.
No. And I still can't.

Speaker 1 But now it works. Exactly.
I'm so happy. That makes me so happy.
You found your people. Oh my God.
You found your calling, if I may. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also that is like a creative brain never works in fifth grade. A creative brain is despised in fifth grade

Speaker 1 because that's ultimately like when you're supposed to start really fitting in. Yeah.
And my brain always was like, Karen, stand over there and say this really loud. And it's like, no, quiet.

Speaker 1 We're trying to be shy. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 And it's like, nope you're not going to be oh my god yeah be like be cute and timid now just be weird not an option i love it i love it i'm so happy about that yeah um okay what else do we talk about i still have stephen's book that he gave me do you have yours oh yes and prominently displayed i mean that was

Speaker 1 first of all Stephen. Steven.
It's been so long.

Speaker 1 We miss him. But that was that kind of thing where I was like, this is the loveliest gift.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was, it was like a gift where someone like went into my mind and went, what do you want? You don't even know what you want. So thoughtful.
Totally. Like you wouldn't know that you want this.

Speaker 1 And I found it. I put effort and time into it.
And you're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Also, because when Stephen, and maybe even when you were growing up, did you see those infomercials for Mysteries of the Unknown? Oh, okay. Obsessed.
Oh, I thought we were going to get.

Speaker 1 abducted by aliens. I was so obsessed with that stuff.

Speaker 1 A woman in Ohio cuts her hand. And across the country, her twin sister

Speaker 1 starts to bleed or whatever. This truly was the monoculture back then.
It was like we all saw one commercial

Speaker 1 freaked out shit. Oh, they're bought.
The alien in the barn. Man, it's fucking happening.
It's happening right now. All over.
All right.

Speaker 1 Well, let's get into Karen's story, which is one I had never heard. This is so fascinating.
One I think about a lot. This is the My Way killings.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 All right. It's my turn to go first this week.
It's absolutely not. It is.
I know it isn't, but I don't care. No, no, no.
You went first last week. No, I didn't.
I went first.

Speaker 1 I had the eyeball killer.

Speaker 1 And you went. You're right.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Right up to the second. You were positive.
I'm telling you, man, I can argue anything, even though I don't know or believe it. I can just.
I was telling people, I was like, shit, okay.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 1 This is, this one.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, everybody calm down.

Speaker 1 The reason that I, this is my murder this week is because

Speaker 1 Guy Branham, a friend of the show, hilarious comedian,

Speaker 1 asked me if I'd heard of these killings.

Speaker 1 And he's good. He's so good.

Speaker 1 And when he said what they were, I was like, my brain wrote an entire thing of what it meant.

Speaker 1 That's one of those names. Yeah.
And then,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 it takes place in the Philippines. And they're called the My Way killings.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So let me paint the picture for you a little bit. It will be a little bit confusing at the beginning, but I'm just going to run down a little information for you and then it'll all become clear.

Speaker 1 Get at it.

Speaker 1 Get at it. Get out of that addict.

Speaker 1 Get up into that addict.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys know this. I didn't until I started looking into this.
That

Speaker 1 Filipinos love karaoke. They fucking love it.
As a nation,

Speaker 1 it's basically their national pastime. Okay.

Speaker 1 Almost every Philippine home has a karaoke machine. Whoa.

Speaker 1 They would hate me. It's

Speaker 1 why could you, why? Because I can't sing for shit and I'm scared of karaoke.

Speaker 1 I'm scared of karaoke. Well, we'll talk about that.
But it's so. Let's make this about us.
Me, me, me, me, me.

Speaker 1 So they, every, every birthday party, every holiday party,

Speaker 1 and they have so many karaoke and videokee, key, which is a different version of karaoke where you get scored against other people that are doing karaoke that night. Who scores you? The machine.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. So it's how many.

Speaker 1 There's another thing that's like that. Maybe it's banned.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I just hit my microphone. Man, machines are fucking taking over and judging us now.
They are scoring us. Oh, Guitar Hero.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit like Guitar Hero where it knows if you're hitting the right notes. Right.

Speaker 1 And so you get a score for video key.

Speaker 1 So it actually gets very competitive in the bar. So if you're singing, like it's whoever's getting the best score on their song.
Can we all just chill, please?

Speaker 1 I mean, so in the Philippines, there's KTVs, which stands for karaoke television, and that bar is wholesome. It's like your whole family can go there.
People have parties there or whatever.

Speaker 1 They cater to all ages. They serve food.
There's private rooms.

Speaker 1 Then there's regular karaoke bars that are laid back. You have a drink.
You embarrass yourself publicly. That's the whole idea of it.
Good times. Don't go there if you want to just chill.

Speaker 1 It's like there's people singing. It's fine.
Yeah, exactly. It's funny and you're going to get drunk and whatever.
Sometimes there's even a live band to do vocals with. That is awesome.

Speaker 1 But then there's nightclubs. And their nightclub, the thing that are called nightclubs in the Philippines are basically strip clubs with karaoke.

Speaker 1 And there's exotic dancing.

Speaker 1 There's back rooms that feature more than just singing. That's directly from an article.
What is more than just singing? Well, so basically they have

Speaker 1 women

Speaker 1 who work there that they're called guest service officers.

Speaker 1 I think guest service officers. And they're basically like strippers that are paid to sit with the guys at the tables.
They have those in Japan. They're not strippers for sure.

Speaker 1 They're, you know, but they sit and have a conversation. Like hosts.
Yes. They're hostesses.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to.

Speaker 1 I feel feel like basically they're trying to get a bunch of things done at once at their nightclub. So they kind of offer all these different things.
To get people in. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even in remote villages,

Speaker 1 families living in bamboo huts will have a karaoke machine in their house. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is, because it's amazing. And so the world's first karaoke machine was invented.
It was called the Juke 8, and it was built by a Japanese inventor and musician named Daisuki Inui in 1971.

Speaker 1 But the current patent holder is the Filipino inventor Roberto Del Rosario, and he developed the karaoke sing-along system in 1975. So it's basically like it's their hometown invention.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. So I was looking into like it's why is singing this popular in the Philippines?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 just a little background: nearly 50% of the people who live in the Philippines, and that's estimated at 87 million people, live on less than $2 a day. Wow.

Speaker 1 And many are forced to eke out a living selling scrap, brick-a-brack, or begging.

Speaker 1 A lot of impoverished neighborhoods, the karaoke machine is the one luxury that the whole community gets to enjoy and doesn't do without.

Speaker 1 So basically, that's their only entertainment, and

Speaker 1 it's the closest a lot of them get to come to escape, besides drinking and whatever. It's like you have a little moment where you know you can kind of be good.
And also I looked it up

Speaker 1 researchers there's a time medical Time magazine article that was written in 2013 about the positive effects of singing. No way.
And

Speaker 1 they reachers researchers just I'm just reading from this article thing, but they reachers researchers discovered singing is like an infusion of the perfect tranquilizer, the kind that both soothes your nerves and elevates your spirits.

Speaker 1 You feel elated when you sing, which comes from endorphins, a hormone released by singing, which is associated with feelings of pleasure. And

Speaker 1 you also release oxytocin, which is

Speaker 1 a chemical that's found to alleviate anxiety and stress.

Speaker 1 And it enhances feelings of trust and bonding, which explains why more studies have found that singing lessens feelings of depression and loneliness a very recent study even attempts to make the case that music evolved as a tool of social living

Speaker 1 and the pleasure that comes from singing together is our evolutionary reward for coming together cooperatively instead of hiding alone in a cave by yourself

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 That is fucking heavy and intense and crazy and like makes me want to sing a lot more to myself.

Speaker 1 It's also make me, when I read that, I was like, oh, that's why I immediately start crying when I hear like gospel music, when like

Speaker 1 amazing choral music or like musicals. Well, when I go to like a temple, the rare times I go to temple and we sing these songs in a language I don't understand, but I know what it means.

Speaker 1 And we all know the words in Hebrew, which is fucking crazy because I don't speak Hebrew. It's this beautiful,

Speaker 1 like it feels, yeah, it feels like community. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that feeling, it's like it's doing the work for you where being there and being submerged in that sound connection is bonding you to those people that you're doing it with.

Speaker 1 It's very cool. I'm gonna not, I'm gonna not hide my voice next time.
Vince and I are driving and he puts a song on that I know because I'm like, sing really quietly. No, go for it.
Yeah. Who cares?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, because that's the other thing is I, I've always been like a big loud, I came up on like the anni cast album.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So like just big loud nose singing has always been my thing um but it's very it's also i think part of for me singing is so embarrassing because it's so personal yeah that once you do it i think people respond to it because they know how hard it is it's like public speaking or anything else i'm amazed and i've seen you sing and i'm amazed i can't i'm so in awe of people who can draw things that don't look like the nothing close to what it's supposed to be and people who can sing it's just it's it's amazing to me yeah when i first started singing though, doing, like doing songs on stage, the for, I would say the first 15 times I did it, I, it was very quiet.

Speaker 1 Like I couldn't breathe very well. Yeah.
And I was just so, but I just kept doing it anyway, somehow. I don't know why.
It's life. Anyway, sorry.
Yeah. Off of me, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 I'm going to change the subject off of myself. And

Speaker 1 all these factors are

Speaker 1 part of that cultural phenomenon. It's basically these people are figuring figuring out how to self-soothe.
And it's like life is really hard.

Speaker 1 There's, you know, a lot of people like have it hard and, you know, live. It's also a very violent place.
There's a ton of illegal guns there. There's a lot of machismo culturally,

Speaker 1 a lot of fighting. And it's so, so there's the need for that kind of release valve.
Yeah. And that's where they find it, which is actually really beautiful.
Totally.

Speaker 1 So all of these factors

Speaker 1 contribute to a disturbing phenomenon that's taken place in the past decade. There have been over a dozen murders of people singing the song My Way.
Stop your fucking face. Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 I swear to God. To that song.
To that song. Losing my mind.
Like you said,

Speaker 1 everything leading up to this was beautiful.

Speaker 1 I really led you down the stony path. Really? I thought it was like, and the inventor got killed.
I do not expect the craziest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited. Isn't it so good? It's so good.
When Guy said that to me, he was like, have you heard of the Myway murders in the Philippines?

Speaker 1 I was just like, immediately like, please let there be a serial killer that goes around to karaoke bars and only kills people in their car after the thing. Whatever.
You know what I was going to say?

Speaker 1 I was going to say, I didn't know what it was going to be. And I was like, oh, Myway must be a place in fucking the Philippines.
My way, Philippine. You know, it's like, that's how you say it.

Speaker 1 M-E-I-A, MyWay, and it's going to be that.

Speaker 1 No, this is so much more intriguing. It's so good because so

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry for everyone you touched. Yeah, tell me everything.
It's rough.

Speaker 1 So on May 29th, 2007, a 29-year-old karaoke singer of the song My Way. And it's, if you haven't heard it, it's the Frank Sinatra hit from 1969.

Speaker 1 It was written by Paulenka, and it's basically a biographical song. It was written for Frank Sinatra.
It's just basically like, my career's been like this because I fucking did it my way.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's been hard, but also I kicked ass, and it's super braggy, braggadociate. It's basically a go fuck yourself.
It's a go fuck yourself, I did it my way, right? It's a bit self-explanatory.

Speaker 1 But also, fuck you. Frank Sinatre is a dick.
I hate that guy. Do you hate Frank Sinatre? I fucking hate.
I think he's a dick. Well, I love him.
And so now we're in a fight.

Speaker 1 Read what he did to fucking Mia Farrow. Oh, no, I know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's rough stuff. Okay, sorry.
No, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 So, a 29-year-old karaoke singer of the song My Way at a bar in San Mateo, Rizal, was shot dead as he sang the tune by the bar's security guard who was arrested after the incident.

Speaker 1 According to reports, the guard complained that the young man's rendition was off-key, and when the victim refused to stop singing, the guard pulled out a.38 caliber pistol and shot him dead.

Speaker 1 So this is the other thing about the song My Way. It's pretty hard to sing because it's in this weird key

Speaker 1 where it's low, it goes up high. But there's when you're in the low part, especially if you're drunk, it's like

Speaker 1 but there is a casual drunkness to it, too, the way Frank Snatcher sings it.

Speaker 1 That it's just like an I actually don't care that much about the, you know, yeah, it's almost talk singing in certain forms, yeah, and it's it's very dread, it's like a long song, yeah, it's draggy, and it's sad, it could be like depressing if you're in a bar drinking and you just want to fucking hang out, right?

Speaker 1 Exactly. So, uh,

Speaker 1 it's actually become such a problem that it, that song has been taken off of most karaoke bar song lists because people don't want the problem. They don't want already.
I'm freaked.

Speaker 1 I thought it was one guy who's going around doing this. It's just like a okay.
It's a, it's basically a thing that causes people to fight and murder. Dude, uh, dude, I'm gonna lose.
So fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Um,

Speaker 1 uh,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 there was actually an article in the New York Times about it, and the writer asked, are the killings the natural byproduct of the country's culture of violence, drinking, and machismo?

Speaker 1 Or is there something or is there something inherently sinister about the song? Which is kind of funny. Like, it's a cursed song that you will die at the end.

Speaker 1 It was one, the first person who is mentally unstable who brought a stir eight to work and killed a guy, and then everyone else is copying him. Yes.
So next, so anyways, moving. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Well, but no, that's it. I think it's a good theory.

Speaker 1 Most of those karaoke bars that I was describing to you earlier are really violent places anyway. It's like people are going there to blow off steam.
They're going there to get shit faced. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of steam to be blown off.

Speaker 1 And so there's lots of fights anyway. So there's nefarious people who are there anyways.
Yes, but they often fight over bad singing and the singing of boring songs. I could see that.
And

Speaker 1 so they're saying it could just reflect the popularity of the song combined with the popularity of karaoke combined with the violent and the competitive nature too of it. That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 Because that one video or whatever, it literally scores you. So you're in a bar, you're trying to have a good time on a Friday night.
You've got the hired gals here and the real gals over here.

Speaker 1 And you're going up there and you're trying to be cool. You don't want to suck.

Speaker 1 And in your drunk mind, I mean, how many times have you been to karaoke where someone's like, I'm going to sing like, what if God was one of us or something?

Speaker 1 Where you're like, please don't do that to us. Fuck you.
I know you're showing off. Sing something with your fucking friends.
Don't sing Nora Jones at a karaoke bar. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 You can't sing like Nora Jones. Yeah.
Just get some Should I Stay or Should I Go? Let people have a good time. The cars, always good.
Cars. Blondie's probably always good.
Blondie, cars.

Speaker 1 Just shut the fuck up. Don't do fucking Fiona Apple, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Don't bring that, that. Don't bring that sadness to your own door.
No, don't bring me down.

Speaker 1 No, another great song.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 I lost my spot.

Speaker 1 You can keep talking and naming songs people should sing if you want. No,

Speaker 1 shit, this is all repetitive.

Speaker 1 When was the second murder? Tell me the second murder.

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell everyone in the meantime. Yeah.
About

Speaker 1 I do the thing where I click and it flicks me back to the top, and then I lose my spot.

Speaker 1 The only time I've done karaoke where I was like, That was the fucking coolest, is I did it at a bowling alley in Eagle Rock, and they happened to fucking have Dead Kennedys on there.

Speaker 1 They happened, it was Kill the Poor, which is like not, it wasn't like

Speaker 1 guys. That sarcasm, just in case, yeah, it was no, no, no, it was a song called Kill the Poor.
No, I knew, okay. Uh, I'm sorry, fucking killed it.

Speaker 1 Like, I already knew those songs because I was 14 and obsessed with Dead Kennedys, and I

Speaker 1 just fucking, I had a couple beers already, But people went crazy. My three friends that were there and the rest of the empty bar, like, yeah.
They were already high five. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the opposite of the one of the few times I've done karaoke is my friend put my name in without telling me. Oh, fuck you.
And you know what song she picked for me? Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Nothing compares to you. That's kind of cute, though.
No, it isn't. Because talk about my way.
It's a dirge. It's just like, you're right.

Speaker 1 I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 1 No, how could you sound?

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't matter. I'm sorry.
Everyone's going to tweet at us right now and be like, yeah, but Karen, that was better than I've ever sounded in my life. Stop.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 You can, you can, I agree. You can have the best singing voice in the world.
Don't do it to us. It's that.
That was basically like a prank song.

Speaker 1 I am. You

Speaker 1 should be able to murder people if they put your name down without you knowing it. I'm not going.
That is

Speaker 1 unacceptable. Yeah.
That's. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually, I just shouldn't have gone but it was one of those things where there were so few people yeah they're like Karen Karen kill Karen Karen and then they're like

Speaker 1 get up there

Speaker 1 you're a comedian you're supposed to have a sense of humor

Speaker 1 we're not you can't trust us here's the thing there's such a problem with violence in karaoke bars that they actually hire gay men or transsexual men they call them baklas and they're They are there to diffuse the undercurrent of tension with the male patrons of karaoke bars because they're not seen as rivals for the women and they're not seen as rivals for the singing.

Speaker 1 So they're just and they're there and they it's basically like drag queen comedy. Like they come in and make jokes and like it all it basically keeps the tension down.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful. It really is nice.
But it also is kind of funny that that's the amount of

Speaker 1 competition and tension in those bars is so extreme that that happens. You know, in the very beginning of the story, they sounded so chill.
And it sounded like families were there.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but no. But there are places in this world.
There's got to be Chuck E. Cheeses that are fucking dangerous, man.

Speaker 1 That fucking, in somewhere in the Inland Empire, New Jersey or the Inland Empire.

Speaker 1 That's where mobsters meet. Yeah, you don't want to.

Speaker 1 One bad drunk dad near the pizza station, and you're like, oh, this is a ruined Saturday. And then he gets fucking cement shoes and gets thrown to the ball pit.

Speaker 1 Oh, the mafia guy? Yeah. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Here's a really good quote, and I will wrap it up here. No, I love it.
This guy

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 this guy that got interviewed for that New York Times article said, in the Philippines, life is difficult. And he is a man who repairs watches at a street kiosk.

Speaker 1 There's government corruption. It's a weak economy that's driven a lot of Filipinos to work overseas.
His own wife is a maid in Lebanon.

Speaker 1 And so he says, but you know, we have a saying, don't worry about your problems. Let your problems worry about you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's right. So that's they're just trying to deal.
I also, there's just a couple on the Wikipedia page. They had other

Speaker 1 karaoke rage incidents in other countries, which is kind of funny. Just saying it's not, some people get really competitive about karaoke.

Speaker 1 There have been several reported cases of singers being assaulted, shot, or stabbed mid-performance, usually over how the songs are sung.

Speaker 1 In Malaysia, a man in 2008 in a coffee shop was performing and he hogged the karaoke microphone so long that he was stabbed to death by other patrons, plural.

Speaker 1 Oh, and everyone had a knife on them. Yeah, what if it was like butter knives? Butter knives.
So it's like took forever to stab them.

Speaker 1 And this is rough. In Thailand, a man was arrested because he shot eight of his neighbors to death, one of whom was his own brother-in-law,

Speaker 1 because they were singing Take Me Home Country Roads

Speaker 1 repeatedly and terribly. We've talked about my ex-roommate who just sang Moonshadows.
I played the bass and sang Moonshadows just into the night. I'm being followed by a moonshadow, that song?

Speaker 1 Wait, what's the other one? Yeah, that one.

Speaker 1 That one. Over and

Speaker 1 she was a bass player, so she was playing it on bass. Like, it wasn't even guitar.
Oh, my God. So I get it.
Yeah. I murdered her.

Speaker 1 A man hacked two other men to death with a meat cleaver over a fight over a karaoke microphone in China one time. Who the fuck knew? I mean, it's pretty intense.
I mean, I get it.

Speaker 1 I get angry at karaoke when I get an Evite to a friend, a friend's birthday party at a karaoke like private room. Yes.
Like, I don't want to, I want to go sit at the bar and talk to you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you want to watch it. I don't want to watch you sing ABBA Bad.
And like drink so much sake that I have a headache. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And pay $18 for chicken wings. Well, be grateful that you live in a country where you basically don't have to sing karaoke all the time because it sounds like that's kind of just what people do.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's true. It's like you can't be like, no, I'd rather go bowling.
No. Everyone's like, bowling? That's not a thing here.
Are you crazy? We don't do that.

Speaker 1 I mean, can we start ski balling instead of karaoke? Do you know how happy that would make me? Do you know how shot you would get? I really, yeah. That's my murder.
I'm done. That

Speaker 1 I love that. It's pretty good, right? I would have never known about that.
I know me either.

Speaker 1 But I really, I have to admit, I really did want it to be just one guy in like a trench coat who would watch you sing my way and then kill you in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to write this, Nicholas Cage. Are you available? I feel like you might be.

Speaker 1 I have a sinking sensation. You're going to be a gritty cop, a gritty ex-cop hired as a security guard.
Where does Lum Default? bar? Where is Lilom DeFoe come in? Where is he?

Speaker 1 He's doing a lot of Snackers commercials right now, but I think we could get him on this project.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back. Wow.
Karen, any updates? I mean, not specifically.

Speaker 1 Just the update of me being reminded by going back to this story that when I first heard about the My Way killings, I truly thought there was a singular serial killer killing anyone at a karaoke bar that was singing that song.

Speaker 1 We still need to write it. I mean, we absolutely should.
It still needs to be written. But also the amount of work that would take.
Oh, yeah. It's so specific.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But we could get, we have our own media company now. We could fund it, film it.
Remember?

Speaker 1 We were getting screen. Oh my God.
We'd shoot it right in there. Yeah.
I thought you meant we could fund a person that would do that. I was like, I don't really want to invest in that.

Speaker 1 I think that's wrong. Here's the updates I can give you.
Since 2016, there have been no widely reported incidents specifically linked to the the singing of Frank Sinatra's My Way in karaoke settings.

Speaker 1 However, karaoke-related violence, of course, continues to occur globally, usually stemming from disputes over performances and then parenthetically, I would add, and too much liquor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they're one and the same.

Speaker 1 You know, you get there, you think you have it. You know, the pride, the beer,

Speaker 1 maybe a couple whiskey shots.

Speaker 1 Someone sings way better than you. You get up and your dream dies.
What was the last karaoke song you sang? It was the one my friend made me sing nothing compares to you. Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 It's just like never doing this again. No, I won't do it again.
I might. I won't.
I should. I should.
I mean, I feel like it would be really freeing.

Speaker 1 Depends on who you care. Yeah.
I won't ever do it in front of strangers again, like at a bar night, but I'll do it with friends if it struck me. You know what I mean? Yes.

Speaker 1 Because actually, the last time I really did karaoke, I just didn't think of it because it wasn't a karaoke bar. It was those individual booths.
And I was in New York City. Those are the the best.

Speaker 1 And this was my favorite because my friend Haley was kind of drunk and she kept, she wanted to do an entrance for her song.

Speaker 1 So she took the mic and the mic cord and walked out into the hallway and then kept missing the intro because she couldn't hear the beginning of the song.

Speaker 1 And such a drunk thing to do. Like four times where I was crying.
I was like, please stop. I'm laughing so hard.
Like it was the best bit. And she was not doing it on purpose at all.

Speaker 1 It reminds me of a cat, like something a cat would do. You know what I mean? Where they're just like, no, I've got this.
They're like, start it over. I'll do it this time.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if you can't hear it out there, you'll miss it every time. Always.
You can't knock to start.

Speaker 1 Whatever ABBA song she was trying to sing. Oh, my God.
So there have been, Alison Agassi, our writer, went through and found us some karaoke violence stories. Oh.

Speaker 1 They're notable.

Speaker 1 For example, in Parks, Australia, Elvis Presley impersonator Bernie Perry was found dead in his home after a karaoke night at the Royal Hotel, and a fellow musician was charged with his murder. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yes. So, you know, I think the

Speaker 1 drama around karaoke continues. Always will.
Tell us your karaoke stories for hometowns.

Speaker 1 Good one. We want to hear your fucking horrible, wonderful, worst, best karaoke stories.
Yes. Send them to my favorite murderer at Gmail, please.
Have you been discovered at karaoke?

Speaker 1 Did you get broken up with because of your karaoke performance? That would be amazing. Please let us know.
God, my fantasy is that I'm with friends, a karaoke night starts. I don't want to do it.

Speaker 1 Everyone makes me do it. And then I sing some awesome, like, Rihanna song,

Speaker 1 like something genuinely cool. Yeah.
And that's why it'll never happen. Right.
It's because that's not how karaoke works.

Speaker 1 Last time I thought about this when I was drunk and I'm like, what is going to be my karaoke song? I think it needs to be Doja Cat's Paint the Town Red, but I can't sing like her.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I like, I thought of that not even at karaoke. So that's like a terrible idea.
Right. But one time Vince and his friend Jesse did I Put Your Picture Away by Kid Rock and Cheryl Crowe,

Speaker 1 which I just think is the funniest. I don't think I could fucking, I think I would just piss myself laughing.
Also, those two dudes are the most dude-dude.

Speaker 1 They're some Midwestern dudes through and through. Just like beer in hand, how's it going? Types of dudes.
Cheryl Crowe and Kid Rock. God, that's funny.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 just hard workers it's your time to shine all right mine's um

Speaker 1 i think this this episode is a pop culture episode. Okay.

Speaker 1 And we actually touched on this and I didn't I didn't go as deep into this earlier as I wanted to because I was like, we're getting into my murder territory.

Speaker 1 All right, Karen. Yes.
1995.

Speaker 1 I remember. Do you remember what you used to do when you'd come home from school or when you'd wake up at 3 p.m.
and you'd sit down with a bowl of cereal?

Speaker 1 Karen, would you watch daytime talk shows like Maury Povich? Yes. And like

Speaker 1 Jenny Jones. Thank you.
Yeah. And for example,

Speaker 1 Jenny Jones.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So this was, I want to, I feel like we have a lot of young listeners who don't know what it was like

Speaker 1 back then. Before we had reality TV shows, we had

Speaker 1 daytime talk shows that were introducing us to interesting characters and fucked up things. And it was all salacious and shitty and tawdry, but it was fascinating and amazing and sometimes great.

Speaker 1 Some of the things. And then sometimes there'd just be makeovers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say, so there would be,

Speaker 1 I wrote like a couple things, lie detector cheating. So like a guy would come out and the magazine cheating on me, lie detector.
Yeah. Out of control teens.
Just awesome. I love that.

Speaker 1 Send him that boot camp. Send them

Speaker 1 right in their face. Yes.
Scream in their face. And then I wrote fucked up makeovers.
Yeah. Because they're always like, you don't dress like a mom because you're wrong.
And they always rhyme.

Speaker 1 They always rhyme.

Speaker 1 And then there would be a weird entrance where they would walk down like a fake catwalk at the end. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 But to me, I was always like, I liked you better when you had that weird leopard print tank top. You look so boring now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that. And then the audience would just scream shit.
It was just like a free-for-all. Yeah.
And it was fun. Good time.
And we watched the shit out of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So one of those people

Speaker 1 that had a show, because everyone was getting that at the time, but I actually liked the show a lot was the Jenny Jones show. And Jenny Jones had been, I don't know, an actual camera.

Speaker 1 She was a stand-up comic comer. Was she really? Jenny Jones was a stand-up comic.
I will just slide this one in. Please.

Speaker 1 Who was on,

Speaker 1 and she always wore a tiny blue sequin dress for her sets. She had really big blonde hair.

Speaker 1 She was basically kind of like the cheesecake stand-up comic girl that was like, I look like this, but no, I'm going to, no, I'm going to get real and tell you stuff like this.

Speaker 1 So it was like she would be quote unquote playing against her own type

Speaker 1 in her stand-up comedy. Well, thank you for doing my research because I totally meant to do that.
No problem. I also,

Speaker 1 all right.

Speaker 1 A lot of fucked up

Speaker 1 fucked up episodes. Let's get to March 6th, 1995,

Speaker 1 when an episode was taped that was the premise was people revealing their crushes.

Speaker 1 All right. So one guy named Jonathan Schmitz, who's 26, he's brought in under the guise of someone has a big secret crush on you and the crush will be revealed on stage.

Speaker 1 Okay, I just have to say, in a setup like this, I feel like this is everyone's dream come true. Like, isn't that...
We all wanted to be on the stage.

Speaker 1 It's the stuff of like, but even aside from being on TV,

Speaker 1 the idea of someone going, someone likes you. I've been obsessed with you, and I'm crazy about you.
Like, when your friend goes, oh my God, you know who likes you?

Speaker 1 Isn't that like basically a high point of life? That's kind of like

Speaker 1 what we all live for. When you find out and it's like, and I don't know, I feel like this is so 90s and such a like, we passed notes.
We didn't have writing on people's message boards and

Speaker 1 social media yeah we we passed notes and we passed rumors and gossip through our friends and there was no other way of fucking handling it exactly you couldn't find out what anybody was doing or where anyone was going was all gossip all gossip um what the producers didn't tell jonathan was that the actual name of the show was same sex crushes revealed

Speaker 1 They didn't tell him that Jonathan was straight. So he goes on the show, as he says, out of curiosity.
He later claims that the producers implied that the admirer was a woman. So

Speaker 1 they didn't keep him in the dark. They told him it was a woman.
Although they claim they didn't tell him that.

Speaker 1 And they told him that he would meet the girl of his dreams. Ugh.

Speaker 1 So he's on stage.

Speaker 1 And they're like building it up as they do. I mean, these shows were great at doing this kind of thing.
And the secret admirer comes out, and and it's Scott Bernard,

Speaker 1 oh God, I meant to look this up. And Dewar.

Speaker 1 And he was an acquaintance of Schmidt's. They had lived near each other in Lake Orion, Michigan.

Speaker 1 And when Scott comes out,

Speaker 1 he reveals his crush to Jonathan. Jonathan is visibly shaken and embarrassed, apparently.

Speaker 1 and states that he's heterosexual and but he laughs it off and he's amiable and then uh scott goes on to tell the audience about a fantasy that involved Jonathan and whipped cream and strawberries and champagne.

Speaker 1 And then that's when Jonathan becomes enraged.

Speaker 1 On camera?

Speaker 1 I think in his heart. Okay, okay.
Yeah, not on camera.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this and so another thing for like 1995 for people to understand is that

Speaker 1 homophobia was fucking, I know it seems like we're in a different place now, but homophobia was hard fucking core. Also, it was, it, it was completely okay culturally for people to be homophobic.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. Even if you weren't homophobic, making gay jokes was okay.
It happened constantly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there was no, um, there were no voices to say, hey, go fuck yourself or you're in the wrong or anything like that. Is that okay? This is the

Speaker 1 prevailing attitude was like,

Speaker 1 that's that's funny, or that's something to mock, or that's something disgusting.

Speaker 1 It's a very different time. And that's not that long ago, which is so troubling.
And so, you know, in 1991,

Speaker 1 Paul Broussard, who is a 27-year-old Houston-area banker, died after a gay bashing incident outside a Houston nightclub where nine high schoolers beat and stabbed him to death.

Speaker 1 And this was what life was like back then. You can't not mention Matthew Shepard in 98.
1998. That was 98.
98. He was beaten, tortured, and left to ultimately die in Laramie, Wyoming.
So

Speaker 1 this wasn't like, you know, we'll make fun of gay people time. This was a, if you're in certain parts of the country and certain people want to fuck with you and you're gay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, not to say that it doesn't happen now as well.
But there's such,

Speaker 1 it's just a totally different, there are people who will speak up against it everywhere you go. Yeah.
There's a shift of understanding that

Speaker 1 and a shift of identity, like of people that are saying all those, all the prevailing attitudes of like, this is a deviance, as opposed to, no, I am your relative. Yeah.
I'm your brother, your friend.

Speaker 1 It's people that you know. This isn't some aberration that it's like.
It's not an affliction. It's who it's a.
It's an identity. And also, it's the majority of the population.

Speaker 1 Not the majority of the population, but it's an even amount.

Speaker 1 There used to be a, like, there was a government, an old, old government projection that said 10% of the population was gay when it's way, way higher. So it's just that thing of like,

Speaker 1 you know, it's, it's an educational process that's taken us forever. And it's great.

Speaker 1 I mean, as much as I fucking hate the internet, it's like there's, you would never have known what a huge population of people who are way fucking different than you in every way are out there unless, you know, you had that, the internet.

Speaker 1 Right. And people have a voice now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let's cut back to three days after the taping.

Speaker 1 And Scott leaves a suggestive note on Jonathan's at Jonathan's house.

Speaker 1 Jonathan finds the note and withdraws money from the bank, purchases a shotgun, and then went over to Scott's mobile home.

Speaker 1 He questions

Speaker 1 Scott about the note, and then Jonathan goes back to his car, gets his gun, and goes back to the trailer.

Speaker 1 He shoots Scott twice in the chest with a 12-gauge buckshot at such close range that paper wadding from the shotgun shell ended up on Scott's heart.

Speaker 1 While a fragment of the other shell's casing entered his left lung. So, like, this is a look at me while I'm fucking killing you situation.

Speaker 1 After killing Scott, Jonathan leaves the residence and he calls 911 and confesses. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let's see. Okay, during the trial, he's arrested during the trial, it's stated that

Speaker 1 Scott's friend says that after the taping of the Jenny Jones show, Scott and Jonathan actually went out drinking together and had an alleged sexual encounter.

Speaker 1 So it's possible this whole thing, I mean,

Speaker 1 that's a weird element to it. They don't talk about a lot in a lot of these articles.
It's alleged. Because that's hearsay.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's total hearsay.

Speaker 1 That's hearsay that's,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 It kind of puts the it puts the level of anger into in it makes a little more sense to me, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, or it could be a lie. It could be a lie to justify.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. But

Speaker 1 this is Scott's friend. This is the guy who gets killed.
Friend said that, that they went out together that night. But you're

Speaker 1 okay. No, no, I'm just saying.
Alleged is a big word. Yeah.
So he's found guilty of second-degree murder in 1996, sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison. Convictions overturned.

Speaker 1 Upon retrial, found guilty of the same charge once again. Sentence reinstated.

Speaker 1 In 1999, Scott's family sues the Jenny Jones Show, Telepictures, and Warner Brothers for the ambush tactics and their negligent role that led to the death of Scott.

Speaker 1 The jury found that the Jenny Jones show was irresponsible and negligent, and that the show intentionally created an explosive situation without due concern for the possible consequences, which is like

Speaker 1 affecting every reality show right now, too.

Speaker 1 The Michigan jury found the Jenny Jones show negligent and responsible for the events. They gave Scott's family over $25 million,

Speaker 1 $6.5 million in funeral costs and burial, $5 million for

Speaker 1 the pain and suffering, and $10 million each for loss of

Speaker 1 companionship and compensation. But the judgment was later overturned by the Michigan Court of Appeals.
in a two-to-one judgment. And the Michigan Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

Speaker 1 So then they never had to pay that money? No, it wasn't Jenny Jones's and it wasn't their fault, you know?

Speaker 1 Although there was apparently a letter saying

Speaker 1 that that was,

Speaker 1 I don't know, it seems like they didn't fucking tell him what he was expecting.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, so it's so they're at fault. And the producers decided not to air the show, but you can see it on court TV's coverage coverage of the trial.

Speaker 1 And it's also featured in an HBO documentary called Talked to Death. Ooh.
But man.

Speaker 1 Wow. It's so fucking sad, isn't it? Well, also, it makes me think, because you said

Speaker 1 that it could happen again. But I bet you after that, a shit ton of rules were put into place

Speaker 1 by production companies that were like, and if you do this, you have to do this. Like,

Speaker 1 say something like on Maury Povich or whatever. Like, I'm sure all those other really exploitive Sally Jesse, like cheaters, recently.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cheaters was crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I used to watch that all the time. But I mean, that's like kind of stabbed.
Yeah. Yeah.
The host got stamped. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 You know what I've always had a problem with is so you when you're on a TV show or you're going to be in an area where there's taping, you have to sign a, you know, a waiver saying you're okay with your, your,

Speaker 1 you know, your image.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I bet they had him sign that before this happened. No, here's the thing.
Tell me everything.

Speaker 1 Here's what I know:

Speaker 1 is that it's only in certain states that you have to do that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 because there's certain states where, like, in New York City, you can film, you can walk down the street and film and

Speaker 1 you're fine. In California, you can't do that.
So in California, like when we would, like on jobs I've had, you have to stick signs up. Now, in New York, you have to do the same thing.

Speaker 1 You have to put up a sign that says you're about to walk past a rolling camera or whatever.

Speaker 1 Exactly. But in California, you have to have a waiver.

Speaker 1 So if you, if we would do man on the street stuff and there'd be a lady that would walk behind the interview and then go blah blah blah it was something great that you wanted to use you'd have to have PAs run down to get that lady to make sure she signed or you could not use the footage because basically the footage then becomes the proof You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like they have a open and shut case that like, yeah, you filmed me and I didn't say you could and I you don't have the paper that says I said you could so you can't use it.

Speaker 1 So what about when you worked on like talk shows and you had guests that would come in, like they signed shit beforehand, like that anything you say can be aired.

Speaker 1 You can't go back and be like, I didn't expect this question to be asked of me. And I don't want this on

Speaker 1 TV. Well, no, they do do that, like ask questions that they weren't either prepped for or whatever.
But that's more, that goes into like a more of a celebrity thing.

Speaker 1 They would, I don't think they do that to like human interest guests that much.

Speaker 1 But in the celebrity world where they're like, okay, this is the person that just had the affair and it's in the news and everyone knows this person just had the affair.

Speaker 1 And so the publicist is like, you will not be talking about the affair. And then you ask the question, we're fucking leaving.
Exactly. And then the producer goes, of course, we won't.

Speaker 1 Of course we will. And then when they're sitting there, everybody makes that call.
They literally make that call where they're just like, ask the question. The question gets asked.

Speaker 1 The celebrity answers the question because they're in that situation where

Speaker 1 what are they going to do? And they don't want to be rude. And the publicist goes, bat shit bananas backstage.
I've seen this.

Speaker 1 I mean, like that, I haven't, it's not like I've been in those gotcha situations. I've never worked on gotcha shows like that.

Speaker 1 But that is a thing that's done where then it becomes a political thing, but usually between the publicist and the show where it's like, I will never come back. None of my clients will come here.

Speaker 1 I will pull this.

Speaker 1 But they're like, is this worth? losing all those clients because Angelina Jolie said whatever the fuck about our marriage. It's worth it.
Let's just say it. It's worth it.
It's worth the ratings.

Speaker 1 We will be the first people to to have had the word on this and then the publicist sees that the movie that they're making gets way more fucking people watching because they saw this thing at the end which i can't deal with it it's crazy because that it it really is that thing where that whole world of like bad publicity is is there's no such thing as bad publicity because it really is true with the way social media is and the way the digital world has changing entertainment yeah that kind of stuff is like there are people that plant their own gotcha stuff because they know it's the same thing of like how the Kardashians call the paparazzi on themselves we're going to be here it's that thing where people when you that people have learned over time that being in that victim stance actually can be good for your career and so they'll do it or they'll set it up like if they feel that this is a question they weren't expecting and they're being suddenly open and honest when really they fucking knew it was going to happen and then they get played as the victim but they magically handle it so well that suddenly the public who you know it's kind of that thing

Speaker 1 i know it wasn't i don't think, I shouldn't say I know, I do not know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure when Hugh Grant went on Leno to talk about when he got caught with Divine Brown and he was married and all that stuff, the way he handled that.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to 95.

Speaker 1 Right? Was it around then? He handled that so beautifully.

Speaker 1 Because it was like, he basically went, ooh, I didn't say that. And did it blushing and like, yeah, I'm sorry and bad, whatever.

Speaker 1 And it's the thing that up until that point, any publicist would tell an actor in that position, you can't go on a talk show, or if you do, they will not talk about this, whatever.

Speaker 1 And instead, suddenly we see how this situation can be handled in a different way, and you can turn an entire culture back onto your side.

Speaker 1 And so, basically, this is just one more Karen ruining TV for everybody.

Speaker 1 But it's that thing, it's like these things are strategized and planned out so much more than anybody thinks. It makes me ill, and it's the reason why I

Speaker 1 yell at the TV all the time. I can't, I cannot watch

Speaker 1 late night talk shows. I can't watch those interviews.
It makes me want to scream. Hey, Karen, I heard you went to the fucking beach lately.
Oh my God. That's so funny you bring that up because

Speaker 1 it's weird. Yeah.
And the weirdest, creepiest part, I'm not acting anymore. Yeah, the weirdest, creepiest part is there are people that are so good.

Speaker 1 Like you, you can watch people who have done the same story on more than one. And they look like they're just like, oh my God, I'm just, I'm just remembering this.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 That birthday was so crazy. Where you're just like, oh, this is just what this is the completely orchestrated conversation.
Nothing is real. Nothing is real.
Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself.

Speaker 1 Question authority.

Speaker 1 I'm Timothy Larry. Goodbye.
No, I'm on acid right now. No, I just can't.
I just can't. It's not reality.
It's not real. And it scares me.
And like, it's not TV, it's HBO.

Speaker 1 What? 95. Why did they get a plug?

Speaker 1 We've been plugging so much shit that does like Time Magazine fucking books. Hey, check out Time Magazine, everybody.
Wards.

Speaker 1 They haven't paid us to plug them. Fucking pumpkins.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Guys, that was, you know what? I like that because it was like kind of different,

Speaker 1 still on theme, but then we both took it in a little bit of a different direction. No children got killed this episode.
That's right. That's rare.
Could we just aim for that once a month?

Speaker 1 Sorry. Yeah, just

Speaker 1 once a month and a fucking child.

Speaker 1 Did you see somebody made an I'm sorry where they made the I'm really small? It was basically like the visual.

Speaker 1 And it was perfect because that's exactly what. I'm

Speaker 1 sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's good stuff.

Speaker 1 All right. We've done it again.
We've done it? Yeah. Wait, this is episode 40.
Shut the fuck up, is it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Episode 40? Yeah. Oh my God.
Look at us go. That's crazy.
Karen, I'm proud of us. I'm proud of us too.
We've been friends for 40 weeks.

Speaker 1 Here's to 20 more. No, no, no, no, no.
There's the one week I got married and your mom died. Oh, that's right.
I'm sorry. So I'm sorry I got married.
We've been friends for 39 weeks.

Speaker 1 That was the realest week of all, though. And we were so casual about it.
Sorry, you guys. We're not, because we didn't have any, there was nobody.
March, man, nobody cared in March.

Speaker 1 And it was like, this is a thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no one cared. You're like, I like that girl from that thing and that girl from that thing.
Yeah. Oh, listen.

Speaker 1 We have to tell each other one good thing from this week. Oh, good idea.
You go first because I can't think of anything.

Speaker 1 We always forget that part.

Speaker 1 My thing

Speaker 1 is that

Speaker 1 I really reconnected with Mimi, my cat Mimi. What? I know.
It's so stupid, but like suddenly I, like, I'm obsessed with Elvis. He's my fucking.
Why are you laughing at me? It's true. Because

Speaker 1 as you're telling me, you're petting Mimi like an exit. But it's a little little Dr.
Evil-ee, or you're like, my cat.

Speaker 1 Mimi, we got eye to eye and brain to brain.

Speaker 1 Can I plug my, their Instagram? It's Elvis and Mimi

Speaker 1 on Instagram. And she's just, I, I've always been scared to love her because I thought Elvis wouldn't love me anymore for it.
Wow. I know.
I'm fucking insane. I have a, what's it called?

Speaker 1 That when your cats,

Speaker 1 I have worms in my head.

Speaker 1 Toxoplasma says, thank you, Stephen. Feline eight.

Speaker 1 And then suddenly I realized what a sweet angel she is. And Elvis gives zero shits about anything but cookies.
That's very true. We're good.

Speaker 1 So it was nice to, like, it's been nice to, I love cats. Go on.
They're pretty great. Yeah.
These ones are sweet. They like you guys, which is rare for them.

Speaker 1 Not for people to like you, but

Speaker 1 it's pretty rare. I'm sorry.
Okay.

Speaker 1 This whole time I've been scrambling in my head. Okay, this, fine.
I'll just do it.

Speaker 1 This is honest. This is, at least I'm being honest.
The shirt I'm wearing right now is my favorite shirt I've ever owned in my life. It looks amazing.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 It's just a salmon and navy striped shirt that I got at Crossroads, Stephen.

Speaker 1 You look like a hot pirate. Hey!

Speaker 1 There's something about it. It like reminds me of high school.
It reminds me of all these things. It's really weird.

Speaker 1 I appreciate the thinness of it. It's just super comfortable.
Substantial. Yeah.
And it's a little tiny bit blousy, but then it also, it's just working for me in every way to the point where I.

Speaker 1 I noticed your boobs earlier. It's a thing I do as an A-cupper.
Drapey. It's like, you know, it's like, oh, she's womanly, but she's not trying to throw it in my face.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I actually cover it up to make you want it more. It's a very Victorian effect.
The more layers you put on, the more I'm like, what could be under there?

Speaker 1 I'm going to start wrapping a scarf around my neck, and then you're going to be so into me. And then I'll be like, does her neck fall off when i unwrap that scarf

Speaker 1 you mean that halloween story scary stories to tell stephen what is it scary stories to tell in the dark

Speaker 1 sir's having a nervous breakdown you know what what stephen's saying right now to us with this laughing this hysterical laughing is end this fucking pod you guys are out of your mind stop talking about everything scary stories to tell in the dark don't even look it up steven again you take off the necklace and

Speaker 1 never take my scarf

Speaker 1 and then her head falls off and she says i told you not to take it and then he puts it on a stick And he walks down the street of Sacramento with it. You guys, thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 1 We love you. We're totally insane.
Stay sexy. Please.
Oh, don't get murdered. Great review.
Subscribe on Instagram. I mean, where? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Elvis. Elvis.
Save us. Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 1 Want cookie?

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Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 We both get shot.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So we're back. Do you have any updates on the story? I actually do.
So in August 2017, Jonathan Schmitz was granted parole and released from prison after serving 22 years of his sentence.

Speaker 1 Scott Amiger's brother, Frank Amiger, said to the Associated Press at the time,

Speaker 1 I'd like to know that he learned something, that he's a changed man, is no longer homophobic, and has gotten psychological care, end quote.

Speaker 1 A Michigan Department of Corrections spokesman told people he was released because of good behavior credit schmitz has kept a low profile since his release and is still in michigan so that's that i mean yeah it's such a sad story it's a terrible story yeah and i know a ton about it because my old boss was there when it happened so wild and they used to talk about how horrible it was all the time just like that thing of you go from that was very like 80s 90s television that they used to try to produce and the you know daytime wars and trying to get numbers and so shows like that, it was Ricky Lake and Jenny Jones and all the Sally Jesse Raphael.

Speaker 1 Like for some reason, they came on at like 3.30. So you'd get home from school.
Why did they come on when children got home from school? I was traumatized. We binged that shit.
It was like...

Speaker 1 There was an episode of Donahue where basically the KKK comes to like speak on their own behalf.

Speaker 1 And it is the most upsetting. I was just sitting there as a 12-year-old like bawling.

Speaker 1 And then this amazing black woman stood up and was like, y'all need to sit down. You're in New York City now.
And the whole audience is

Speaker 1 on Donahue. That's amazing.
It was great. Yeah.
Those, I mean, that, that transformed our childhoods somehow. And somehow we're still successful people.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's really, or maybe we're, maybe it's because of, I don't know. It opened the door to reality.

Speaker 1 I mean, that was like the beginning of true reality television, even though it was very produced and often fake. Yeah.
But it's, some of it started and was very real. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. so crazy.
The characters. Okay, just really quick.

Speaker 1 I forgot about that navy and salmon striped shirt that I was talking about was my favorite shirt.

Speaker 1 I would kill for that shirt these days. Oh, it's long gone.
I can't keep anything that I like is gone in like three months. Why? Because you wear it so much, it falls apart.
I know.

Speaker 1 It's like I bring it places and then, oh no, I've left it somewhere. Or I don't know.
It's so irritating. But like that shirt, when I was

Speaker 1 reading this, I was just like, oh, like, bring it back.

Speaker 1 So stupid. Someone find that shirt, please, on what's it called? One of those sites.
All right. So we would hate to change squad gourds as this moment of Georgia's organic and natural brain genius.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. But maybe we would call this episode, if we were to change the title today, we would call it Let's Start with a Prayer.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Oh, Georgia's always going religious at the beginning of the show. It's just me.
It's who I am. I'm weird like that.
And the beginning of my prayer was was dear Oprah, so we could name it dear Oprah.

Speaker 1 We should. We always should.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Yeah.
Good one. Episode 40.
Episode 40. We're really, we're really getting into our podcasting chops.
Just 900 more to go.

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