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and welcome to my favorite murder, The Mini Sode.

We read you any kind of story you send us.

You should see the shit we're looking at.

Oh my God.

You should see the shit we don't use.

Oh.

You should see the stories that go on for four pages about your grandma's clam chowder.

Make it three pages and we'll read it.

That's all we ask.

Yes.

You want to go first?

Sure.

Okay, this one's called My Kara Knott Legacy Story.

Ahoy hoy to the lovely people of the fuckword murder mystery show.

Hey.

Longtime listener, long time writer, eventually one of these will make it onto the show.

Could this be the one?

Let's find out.

It's happening.

Guess what?

When I was listening to episode 474, it cleans ducks.

I was so struck by George's telling of the story of the tragic murder of Kara Knott and the lasting legacy her family worked to protect.

Then I realized that her lasting legacy goes far beyond the memorial garden her father put so much work into.

Remember the story where she was parked with the, it was the cop.

Yeah.

In San Diego?

Yeah.

Oklahoma.

Yeah.

I'm a local prosecutor, and despite gains made by women in the legal field, it's still a bit of a good old boys' club.

Yeah.

I mean, that's renovating.

That's everywhere.

It's getting worse.

I cannot tell you how many cases I've been assigned to either file or prosecute that are sent in by male officers or filed by male colleagues where a woman is charged with resisting law enforcement in a vehicle, which is a felony here.

The facts are always somewhat similar.

Late at night, a solo female driver driving a little bit extra after the lights and sirens are activated to get to a gas station or other well-lit place.

Yeah.

Then a completely compliant woman.

And yet that extra tenth of a mile means this goes from a ticket for a broken taillight to a felony case.

Shit.

Every time one of these cases hits my desk, I have the same reaction: dismissal.

When I finally dismissed, quote, too many of these cases, my supervisor and a very angry male cop sat me down and asked why I kept doing this.

I explained that as women learning how to drive, we are frequently taught never to pull over on a dark road when we are alone.

They scoffed and said that was preposterous.

Women were safe to pull over anywhere.

Would you like to listen to our podcast or any of the other millions of true crime podcasts?

Yeah, filled with

women to do nothing.

It is a fantasy men have that women live the same lives as men.

Right.

And that just because they're not that kind of guy, there aren't any of that kind of guys.

Sir.

Sir.

Sir, sit down.

I recounted the story of Kara Knott and how her murderer was, in fact, a cop.

You could tell it was a story they had never heard of before and was something that surprised them.

I told them I had zero plans of changing my approach to these cases, but maybe they should change theirs.

Then I got up and walked out.

Good.

I've seen very few cases like this since, and I'd like to think I taught that smug cop a lesson.

Stay sexy and don't pull over until you are in a well-lit place, but maybe put your hazards on.

Hannah, she, her.

So the idea that it's a felony is very good information.

Yeah.

Because that's like the time I told the story of like the cops tried to pull me over when I was trying to get my drunk

friend from a wedding.

and it was like the hotel was right there and I'm like I'm I just got to get her to the front door yeah and they lost their minds but I mean

the idea that we don't know that we're playing with fire to keep ourselves safe yeah or to keep somebody else safe where it's like why in God's name would that be a felony right what's the problem they pulled over at the next exit that's what you're supposed to do.

That's what we were all taught to do.

Yeah.

But also, why wouldn't cops get trained that like, if it's a woman driving, pull her over at a gas station, like escort her to the place where there are people and lights.

What's the problem?

Well, that's what Hannah is trying to fucking teach everyone.

And she's doing the Lord's work.

Good job, Hannah.

Well, interestingly, my first email is from a story I covered.

Oh.

And the subject line is I worked with Bruce MacArthur from episode 475.

Hi, Georgia Karen and everyone else.

I am from a suburb of Toronto, Scarborough.

And I've had my fair share of, oh, Parl Bernardo lived in my parents' neighborhood, or my sister was friends with the happy face killer's son stories, and then in parentheses, both true.

But when I saw what Karen covered in episode 475, I knew exactly what I needed to write in.

When I was a preteen, I was offered a job that paid cash and that allowed me to bring a friend to work with me.

It was a no-brainer.

My friend and I took this job as Santa's elves for one of those pictures with Santa setups in a mall.

Fuck.

It was one of those malls that was one step ahead of a strip mall, but one step below a cool mall hangout spot.

I'm talking a Walmart, a cell phone prom dress store.

Oh, God.

That's the Burbank Mall.

Yes, it is.

Yep.

Where there's like, I've never heard of that chain of stores.

Totally.

Where's that from?

Wow, those are shiny shoes.

The country of Georgia.

Okay, that's cool.

Nail salon, bunch of places with for-rent signs up.

This Santa photo area was also less than ideal.

We took the pictures with a disposable camera.

And yes, I, a 13-year-old, took the pics.

Oh, God.

This is very low rent.

Yeah.

And we took the film to develop at Walmart's one-hour photo lab.

Oh, my God, BRV.

I'm going to go develop these pics.

Now I kind of love the hustle of this.

I'm just like, ugh, by any means necessary.

Every day we would go up to the mall management office to get into our elf clothes, and Santa would be sitting there waiting for showtime in his white tank top and Santa pants.

Super gross, bad Santa vibes.

He was a nice enough guy, but after a few weeks of working with him, I could not shake the creepy feeling.

It got to the point that I didn't come in to pick up my last paycheck at the end of Christmas season.

That's huge for a kid.

Yes, it is.

Fast forward to 2017.

I'm watching the news with my parents, and I hear that finally someone was arrested in relation to the missing persons that Toronto police completely gaslit the city about, but that's another story in the village.

Imagine my heart dropping and the blood draining from my face when the face of Bruce MacArthur is plastered across the TV screen.

Jesus.

All I could say was, holy shit, Santa.

Oh, God, that's so chilling.

I had no idea that my gut all those years before had been right, and this POS was a serial killer.

I want to acknowledge that while I use this story as my what was your worst job icebreaker answer, innocent and beautiful lives were lost.

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Thank you both for all you do for allyship, mental health, and generally making my commutes more enjoyable.

Stay sexy and don't take a job as an elf when you are far too young to get paid legally.

Haley, she, her.

Wow.

She worked with a serial killer.

That is wild.

Also, that thing of like, I think the reason I enjoy stories like that of like, and then we, I saw a face, is because it proves your gut is right.

Absolutely.

If you get a weird bad feeling, go get some frozen yogurt.

Get out of the place you're in.

Like, don't you just wonder, though, how many of those there are that you never find out that your gut was right?

You know what I mean?

Yes.

They either never got caught or you just missed the story or they just, they don't do anything that's like

newsworthy, but you're totally right.

Or you get gaslit and a bunch of people tell you you're just a bitch.

Right.

Where it's just like, well, okay.

Then I guess I have to be okay with that.

Yeah.

Because,

because

I got to go.

Yeah, because this isn't right.

Yeah.

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Okay, I'm not going to read you the title of this one.

Okay.

It's about her third grade pool party.

Okay.

Hi, here goes.

In third grade, I celebrated my birthday with a pool party at my childhood home in Southwest Florida.

Included on my exclusive list of invitees was my elementary school, quote, boyfriend, Austin, and his best friend, Justin.

It was kind of an early crush where I basically did not speak to Austin and instead got my friends to tell him that I liked him.

And so obviously we were dating.

You mean the way all first boyfriends are gotten?

Totally.

After an afternoon of playing sharks and minnows in the pool we toweled off for presents birthday cake my grandma had made one of those barbie doll cakes where the cake was her dress

classic and ginger ale punch the kind with an entire block of sherbet ice cream floating in the punch bowl this is a very set late 70s early 80s party yeah yeah i recall opening austin's present and it was a set of sequin earrings from claire's that's the boyfriend one pair for each day of the week i had never received jewelry from a and then it says like man squiggly man

before, and I was delighted, albeit embarrassed at such an obvious display of love.

I then opened Justin's present.

That's the best friend.

Yeah.

And he gave me, all caps, a diamond gold necklace.

Wait, what grade?

Third grade.

They're little babies.

Uh-oh.

Okay, it was probably not real gold, and it was definitely cubic zirconia.

But still, I was nearly nine years old and completely abashed that my list of suitors had doubled in a single humid afternoon.

According to my mom's memory, Austin was mortified and upset, and Justin was pretty smug.

The fallout was what you'd expect.

Austin broke up with me via a pass note shortly after my birthday party.

I think it was a combination of his gift being upstaged and the fact that I literally didn't talk to him.

My first boyfriend, Eagle, we never spoke.

We kissed one, said a truth or dare.

Yeah.

What are you supposed to say?

Never spoke.

Never.

And that the school year was almost over and he wanted to be another squiggly mark single for the summer.

Yeah, that summer of third grade that really changes your life.

You know what?

I got to get myself back out there.

He's single.

Austin also stopped being friends with Justin.

The rumor mill in the cafeteria confirmed that it was like the second time that school year that Justin tried to steal Austin's girlfriend.

Ew.

The third grade is just an episode of Love Island, apparently.

I wasn't too heartbroken.

Another friend at my party had gifted me a CD with Sierra and Missy Elliott's song, One Two Step.

So I was busy choreographing a dance in my free time.

We all eventually went to separate schools, and I hadn't thought about Justin until my sophomore year of high school when the local news reported on his arrest.

That's the best friend.

At the age of 17, Justin was arrested and convicted of a double homicide and armed robbery.

No.

Justin broke into the house of a fellow classmate where he shot and killed him and his mother.

Justin stole a safe containing cash and a gun from the house.

After selling the gun and pocketing the cash, he made a whopping $370.

Absolutely disgusting, and it gets worse.

A month or so prior to the murders, the mother and son had allowed Justin to stay with them for a couple days when Justin was kicked out of his house by his own mother.

Following the murders, Justin then expressed his condolences for them on a Facebook page memorializing their lives.

Must be before he got caught.

Yeah, absolutely disgusting.

But Justin is serving life in prison.

Fuck him.

Stay sexy.

And sometimes men display red flag behavior even in the third grade.

Kelsey.

Oh, Kelsey.

Kelsey.

God, that is

the idea.

I mean, it's the thing I was like, just for a little bit of money from the quote from Fargo, we're just like, what the fuck are you doing?

Heartbreak.

I'm out of comments about literally people just murdering other people kind of for no reason.

Yeah, we've said it all in the past nine years.

It's true.

Well, let's keep going.

Let's do it anyway.

Let's power through it.

Not going to read you the subject line of this because they tell me not to.

It says hide title in all caps.

Okay.

And it just starts.

I hope everyone is doing well.

I've been a murderino all my life.

I wrote my high school research paper on serial killers.

It's so intensely.

What if they don't mean it that intensely?

Okay.

I bet they do, though.

I hope everyone's doing well.

I've been a murderino all my life.

I wrote my high school research paper on serial killers in 1995.

It was my only A that semester.

Wait, this is from Karen Kilgara?

That's crazy.

Remember in school when you hated everything but what you were interested in and they never realized that maybe it was just that you were bored?

Yeah.

You know, I actually told the story in the kitchen the other day that my favorite thing in school was reading aloud.

Yeah.

And every time we do our podcast, I'm like,

it's happening.

Yeah.

It's happening to that.

All that practice.

And then it just says, okay, I'll get started.

Thank you.

Back in 2010, I was a new real estate agent living in Houston, Texas.

My broker sent me to show a potential buyer one of her condo listings.

It's a very nice building in central Houston, so he typically wouldn't show the unit unless the buyer was pre-qualified.

This individual claimed he would be paying cash, so she made an exception.

However, she sent me because she didn't believe him.

Lady.

Ma'am, I arrived at the condo and met a normal-looking man who was probably in his late 60s or so.

I showed him the amenities and the unit.

He was an odd guy, but I got a kick out of his quirkiness and even made him laugh once or twice.

That's the goal.

The showing went well, and I went back to the office to find my broker looking at Google images of a man in a courtroom.

She asked me if it was him, and I said, Yes, what is this?

Well, it was Robert Durst.

Holy

shit.

Well, it was Robert Durst.

It was Robert Durst.

The scariest man on the face of the planet.

Truly.

Okay.

Oh, my God.

Black Iris.

Killing in cold blood.

The next line is, I didn't recognize him because the Jinx hadn't come out and I'm not from Houston, so I didn't know the Morris Black case.

I was shocked.

I had just watched All Good Things, which is the scripted movie

about...

that relationship that he had.

So I knew who he was, but not what he looked like.

Fast forward to 2015 when the Jinx comes out.

I've watched it several times since then, and I remember the first time I saw the detectives interview his wife, Debbie Chartan, because that was the voice on his outgoing voicemail.

My broker had me call him several times after the showing to see if he was interested in making even though it was still Robert Durston, they knew it.

They're like, come on, his money's green

and a little bit red with blood.

Okay.

I mean, don't, I know.

That's they're in the don't you know that a serial killer is gonna do some complaining and maybe some dishonest shit?

100%.

His garbage disposal was not broken.

Right.

You paying with cash?

You're going to pay the rest of someday?

No, you're not.

You're fucking buried bodies in the walls this week.

That's all conjecture and allegations.

Good.

I can't believe I was all alone with him and shook his hand.

It's unbelievable how we cross paths with some people in life.

Yeah.

And then it just says, yuck.

Karen, I love your Live at the Bootleg album.

Aww.

My dad wants to listen to the album on repeat every road trip we take.

And then it says, Rex says hi.

Rex.

Hi Rex.

That's so nice.

Georgia, I think you're the coolest.

I still smile and laugh every time you ask Elvis if he wants a cookie.

It's the sweetest, most funny thing.

I wish Elvis could have met Cookie.

Thank you both for everything.

You know the list.

You guys really do add so much joy.

All the best, Erica.

Erica, thank you.

Erica, you brought a Robert Durst personal story.

You made Robert Durst laugh.

That's what I would start with at parties.

For real.

Okay, who's the craziest person you ever made laugh?

Robert Durst.

Is it two truths and a lie?

Two lies and a truth.

You would kill that game.

Absolutely.

You made

maybe more than a sociopath, maybe a psychopath laugh.

A serial killer, maybe?

Yeah.

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Okay, here's my last one.

I'm not going to read you the title.

Hola.

Cantell.

I've been listening to your podcast for years and always wanted to write in.

I'm from Spain, and here we don't get any murders.

Spain.

You're wrong.

You're wrong.

Have you heard of the Inquisition?

No.

And the ones we get are not Minnesota appropriate.

They're convoluted and very dark.

Oh, I see.

Spain.

Like the Inquisition.

I love that you pulled out the Inquisition.

When I heard this story, I knew my chance had finally come.

In April 2020, a brown bear named Cachu, C-A-H-O-U, Cachu, Cachu, Cachu, was found dead at the bottom of a ravine in the Pyrenees in northeastern Spain.

Pyrenees?

Yeah, Pyrenees, like the dog.

Yes.

It was first assumed that the bear had died fighting another animal, but soon the cause of death was revealed to be antifreeze poisoning.

Is this an RFK story?

No.

Did you ever hear that story about RFK finding a bear carcass and then taking it home for the meat?

This is not that.

Okay.

Because bears are protected species here.

Who knew they had bears in Spain?

I wouldn't have guessed that.

The police quickly opened an investigation on Cachu's death.

A judge allowed suspects' phones to be wiretapped for a dead bear.

Yes.

And in the process of finding the bear's killers, the police stumbled upon a drug trafficking ring.

It says, yup, they were smuggling cocaine paste from Colombia and refining it at a lab in a nearby town.

Ten people have been arrested so far, including the mayor of a village in the region.

Jesus.

As for Cachu, a forest ranger and formal local government official were arrested for his murder back in November.

Some people are saying that to thank investigators for their work in bringing him justice, Cashew led them to this major drug bust.

Holy shit.

I like to imagine him with little guardian angel wings, a guardian cocaine bear angel.

Yeah.

I don't know, like, they don't say exactly how it happened, but...

Bear obviously was like hanging out at a fucking meth lab.

Caught in the crossfire.

I mean, he could have been the Spanish version of our cocaine bear.

Yeah, but the antifreeze is like part of making, cutting the cocaine, probably, right?

Oh, is it?

It's got to be.

It's what makes cocaine so good.

It gives it effervescent bubbles.

You get.

It gives it its effervescence.

You just love it so much.

Gotten baby aspirin.

I hope you enjoyed the story.

I love your podcast.

My friend Katie introduced me when we first met three years ago, and it's only one of the many things she's done to keep me sane since.

She's a badass murderino who makes me proud to be her friend every single day.

Aw.

I hope to one day travel to the U.S.

so that we can go to an MFM live show together.

Maybe we'll come there and we'll cover the Inquisition.

Oh my God, we just thought entire Inquisition.

I think it was

a couple hundred years, 400?

We're starting here.

Karen in Georgia, you're the best company an anxious insomniac could ever hope for.

Thank you for everything you do.

SSTGM, Ana.

Ana, gracias, Ana.

Gracias.

Lo siento.

I don't speak Spanish.

But man.

Cocaine bear.

International cocaine bear.

If you've got a cocaine bear story from your city or country,

okay, well, we're just going to keep the hits coming.

Okay.

I'm not going to read you the subject line.

Karen Georgia and the beloved MFM crew, truly beloved.

Longtime listener here, I've been plotting to write in some of my Santa Cruz murder lore for ages.

But after listening to episode 475, I had to pause everything and tell Karen Colin.

Yes, I did see Steve-O at the Burbank Airport.

We got a Steve-O Steve-O story.

Steve-O!

Okay.

It was 2019.

I had just made it through TSA and was heading toward my gate when here comes Steve-O, casually walking through the terminal with his dog, Wendy.

Oh, come on.

That's the cutest.

Karen, he was wearing a hat,

but it was more of a dad trucker hat than a classic skater hat, just to set the record straight.

Thank you.

Although I don't know if I want to get that into like, I'm not going to keep my eye out for Steve-O at all times.

No.

Someday I'll just be sat on a plane next to him and then for real, though.

It's like the kind of thing where you like, I didn't realize that I loved pistachio so much until I was served up a big thing of pistachio gelato.

And I'm like, this is my favorite flavor.

That's my Steve O sitting next to me.

I get it.

I get it.

Okay.

Because I'm starting to feel like an absolute third grader about talking about it this much.

But then I'm also like.

This is literally the second time you've talked about it.

So I think we're good.

I'm just saying,

don't call him and tell him.

Okay.

It says, and yes, it was Wendy, the sweet, adorable street dog he rescued from Peru in 2018 while filming a web series.

Right.

He found her living on the streets completely alone, and the two instantly bonded.

He flew her back to the U.S., gave her the dream dog life, and even got her a pet passport.

And then in parentheses, it says, which is kind of the cutest sentence ever.

In 2019, they were traveling everywhere together for his bucket list tour.

She went on stage with him at comedy shows and was basically his VIP co-star.

did you know that no i i saw something about him finding the dog but not

very sweet yeah he looked so happy and healthy and it genuinely warmed my heart i grew up on jackass and seeing him with this sweet pup clearly thriving after everything he's been through was honestly kind of beautiful it is

anyway this memory

This memory has been living rent-free in my brain, and I knew y'all would appreciate the Steve-O dog dad content.

Stay sexy and always fly out of Burbank, Exo Sadie.

Perfection, Sadie.

Sadie, good one.

Girl, amazing.

Guys, those are a great batch.

Thank you so much.

So fun.

Send your story, whatever it is, to my favorite murder at Gmail.

Also, if you have a celebrity sighting you would like to tell us about that we've not talked about we love it we don't care yeah there was a stretch of celebrity sighting stories that were really good i think it's because it was colin farrell based and then it kind of went out from there but i think it's important to tell people it can be your favorite celebrity yeah we will like how much you liked it totally yeah that's all it is and like how how nervous you were or like how embarrassing it was and then we need a photo if you have one too all those things yeah okay stay sexy and don't get murdered

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