464 - Dear Movies, I Love You

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Hello and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That is Georgia Hardstark.
And that is Karen Kilgareff. And today we are so thrilled to be talking to two people you might already know.
She is a film programmer and historian. He's a filmmaker.
And they just ended a critically acclaimed four-year run on the podcast, I Saw What You Did. And now they're back with a new show that premieres Tuesday, January 28th on the Exactly Right Network.
It's called Dear Movies, I Love You. Please welcome Millie DeCerico and Casey O'Brien.
Woo! Hello! Hi! Guys, could you tell we were reading off a teleprompter? Oh, it felt really good, though. Pros.
We're just pros at this. How would you guys synopsize what you're doing on your podcast? Or like what the, you know, what's your elevator pitch of the podcast? It's the vibe.
Yeah, well, you know, it's the name of the podcast is Dear Movies, I Love You. So it is kind of, you know, we say it's a, you know, having a crush on movies.
It's an infatuation with movies. It's a sincere celebration of film and film culture and we just want it to be accessible to people because you know Amelia and I we can get in the weeds about like art house bullshit but we like but we want to talk about it in a way that's like fun and we also we like highbrow we like really lowbrow too and so we want it to be like an inviting fun cute podcast um yeah millie anything to add to that well you know i think i'm gonna get deep perhaps a little deeper than casey's just revealed um i personally when i was i'm kidding you're not the himbo of the podcast, by the way.
You're fine. You're not a film himbo, as I've heard in the past.
I really, I think over the past couple years, especially during COVID, especially during, I don't know, just like living and life and bad news and, you know, things happening in the world. I started really thinking about like my relationship to movies because, you know, as a person who like lives alone and, um, you know, a lot of, uh, and has worked in movies for over 20 years.
I started thinking about like, what, like, do I have an emotional relationship with movies? Like, of course they're entertaining. Of course, it's my job job of course it's an intellectual pursuit i guess

but what's like my emotional relationship to it like do they do things for me are they my or comfort are they my partner for crying out loud i mean honestly and i started thinking about it in that way where i was like i don't know like i think they are like it's the one thing that has consistently stayed in my life that has been, like, my refuge from all the bullshit, right? And there's some kind of, I don't know, I have this, like, you know, deep feeling of appreciation for, like, what the art form, I guess, if you want to call it that, has done for my life in that emotional kind of way. And so that's why I think when we were like, how, what's the vibe? You know, I was like, I don't know.
We just love movies. We're like in love with movies.
We, we, we like have crushes on movies. And Casey like immediately was like, of course, like I get it, you know? And so I don't know.
I think that that's sort of, I think what the podcast is also about is it's about sort of like being in love with this wacky world that we're in and, you know, just sort of, I don't know, like being very earnest and sincere about it. So, yeah.
And I think there's a lot of like judgment about like what movies you like or like what movies affect you the most like it's very easy to be

like oh that's a you know people will throw you know i said this even earlier where i was like this is a stupid movie like i can't hardly wait or 10 things i had about you but those make me feel a certain way and that is meaningful to me and so i think our movie one our podcast wants to kind of you know why hold up all types of films and um make them you know celebrate them equally and they they're meaningful equally it's it's more about like how these movies make us feel rather than you know the the intellectual value that something has, if that makes sense. Yeah.
And what I love about that, too, is, I mean, it kind of reminds me of our podcast, and even though true crime has nothing to do with what you guys are doing, but it's finding your people, too, who can talk about this one movie for hours, even if they don't like it, with you. And, you know, yeah, like the two of you found each other and then your audience and your listeners are going to be like, absolutely, or no, you're wrong, but you're still connecting in a way that's hard to do these days.
It feels like everyone's just kind of having these, you know, superficial connections. But if you have this like interest that you're so passionate about, you can really connect with people.

Yeah, I feel like, and, you know, listeners, when you listen to episode one, like, you'll get that kind of, that party, it's like movie party vibe, where, like, the first time I listened to it, just your guys' chit-chat, where each topic and each movie and each thing that came up it was like all in like super interest super passion and but then also just like these different takes where it's like you know waxing poetic about the magic mic trilogy where it's like i never thought about that before that's really true like just that kind of thing where it's like you can be you can be deep and analytical kind of about anything you want as long as you like it enough. And it felt like that.
Well, thank you. There's also an episode that we have coming up that I really love because we're talking about a movie that Casey is extremely passionate about and is like a movie basically that the movie that radicalized him, that made him a film person, quote unquote.
And it was, we, and it was a movie that I had a very different opinion on. And we talk all that out in a way that I think is really cool.
Like just because there was something that he loves and connects with that didn't really get me in the same way. I was so, like, interested in just hearing him talk about it and hearing his relationship with it and sort of, like, what he liked about it.
And I don't know. I mean, I feel like that is something that our podcast is doing and will do really well is just having that mutual respect for each other's taste i mean honestly like and that's something that i think is a thing that makes uh film people so um annoying or intimidating is that you have like like he said like the wrong taste you have bad taste you don't like the right.
And I don't really see it that way ever. I don't ever see people having that.
I would rather listen and be fascinated by your passion for something than just shitting on you for liking a movie I don't like. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I love that.
So you guys on your podcast usually start by telling each other the movies that you've watched recently.

Yes.

What movies have you watched recently?

Millie, you go first.

Oh, God.

I got to pull out my phone.

Letterboxd.

Uh-oh.

She's going to go.

She has to be legit.

I got to be legit.

Did you watch a movie today?

I watched a movie last night in the past.

So it's been the past 24 hours.

I watched this movie called Better Man. Have you heard of this movie? Is this the Robbie Williams movie? It is the Robbie Williams animatronic monkey.
Where he's a monkey? Yes. What? Actually, it's not animatronic.
It's like weird CGI, right? Yeah. That movie to me was so much better than it had any right to be.

I don't know why I was like expecting to go at it being like,

this is going to be one of the most genuinely bizarre,

like weird outsider art things of our generation.

And I was like, it's actually kind of good.

Like legit good.

Wow.

Yeah.

Good for Robbie.

Yeah. I mean, he was a superstar.
Yeah. Well, that's what I think is so fascinating about it, to be honest, because I'm like, okay, they let this movie happen, like, now, where it's like, here's a star who was essentially not as famous here in America as he was, you know, in Europe, who hasn't really been around for like 20 years.

And he's a monkey.

And it's his life story.

I was like, wow, I can't believe that they let that happen.

I was actually really impressed that that happened.

So anyway.

Wow.

I feel like the whole narrative with Robbie Williams is like,

nobody knows about him in America. And then like this movie came out and it was like,

this movie is bombing in America. And it's like, we don't know who he is.
Why don't we go see this movie? Right. You've never seen this monkey.
We don't, we can't support this monkey. We don't know him.
Casey, what did you watch recently? Okay, so I watched this movie called, and I was really weeping during this movie. Truly Madly Deeply.
Have you ever seen this movie? Which one's that? It's like my favorite movie of all time oh it is what yes i had never i had like seen bits of it but i watched it the other night and it's so beautiful and touching it came out in like 1990 it's with alan rickman and yes you told me about it yeah juliet stevenson juliet stevenson and um basically the premise is uh her boyfriend alan rickman dies is dead this is you this is not a spoiler this happened this is the beginning of the movie but he comes back as a ghost and it's it's so romantic and sweet and silly and i was like this is like one of my new favorite movies of all time i'm not even kidding it was it was literally writing it down right now well also because it's so heavy like they do they don't try to clean anything up it's not the american version of if a girl's boyfriend died that she lived with and obviously is her life partner it is like there's a scene i think it begins with a scene where she's at the therapist sobbing and trying to explain how isolated she feels because he's gone and she's walking around and all these people are living life and whatever. And she's ugly crying to a degree where it is like, I was like, who is this woman? Yes, she's incredible.
She's such a good actress. It's like showing grief the way it really is, which is so hard for anyone to, like, do if you don't understand.
And the end, total no spoiler, but also be careful because of me. Because I don't keep my promises.
But essentially the reveal. Should I not say the reveal? Don't say the reveal.
I don't want to know. Okay, okay okay because that reveal when i first watched it and same casey where it was me my friend dave

messmer who we worked at the gap together and his friend and she's the one that was like we have to

watch this movie and all three of us were sobbing at the end like together sobbing it was crazy and

it was just one of those weird like it's just the perfect a perfect nineties, like real life. I don't know.
Yeah. I mean, I was immediately when the movie started and it's like happy tears.
I feel like I felt good at the end of it. It's not like a downer.
It's a happy movie. I think.
Okay. It's beautiful.
It's really beautiful. And I really, I truly madly, deeply loved it.
And who's the director? Do you remember our fans? Yes, it's Anthony Manguela who did The English Patient and The Talented Mr. Ripley.
It was his first movie. Oh, so good.
Wow. It's his first movie.
Yeah, really good. I'm saying how did I miss that as if I haven't missed every single fucking movie that has come out in the past.
You're not movie people, which I think is like, this would be a perfect

podcast for you because it's, I think,

Casey and Millie kind of pulling people

into the movie world like, it's going to be

okay. We're with you.
Come in.

You know what I am? I'm a,

I find a movie I like and I watch it

40 times and there's no other

and I don't watch any other movies. It's not like, I love

this director. I'm going to watch all their movies.
I don't do

that. I do that too.
I do no shame that's the thing with our podcast there's no shame yeah we are cringe but we are free we say that a lot all the time but we're free exactly yeah can you guys give individually or together as a as a team like three movies that you would recommend to people who love movies but are intimidated by by coming into like a cinema uh cinemagraphic world is that the right word like coming into the world of film people that's not so deep and like you have to understand the meaning of but it'll get you to those other movies that then you can appreciate because you, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, what do they call them? Like, um...
Gateway? Gateway. Gateway drugs.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I guess I have a question. How do you feel about subtitles? Because for some people, that's a big hurdle.
I don't mind it. Okay.
I think the gateway part, though, for, like, the masses,'t be. Maybe one out of three.
One out of three. Okay.
Whatever's needed. Millie, did any come to mind immediately? Yeah, I'm thinking on it.
Well, this might be actually an interesting exercise because Casey and I are, I'm a little older than casey and i feel like

this might be like it's gonna be showing our generational roots perhaps you know what i'm saying uh because i think about like what kind of got me into cinephilia if you will like what What was the movie that was the bridge between like,

I don't know,

six. if you will.
Like what was the movie that was the, the bridge between like, I don't know, 16 candles and I don't know, three colors red or something. I'm trying to think of something.
I mean, I think for me, she's speaking in kind of film gibberish language right now. Thank you for translating.

If you didn't understand that, don't worry, everybody.

Well, I mean, to me, I think when I first kind of was like in high school and in college and I was kind of making that jump. I mean, honestly, I think it was a lot of the American independent stuff from the 90s.
So like I'm thinking of things like, you know, Jim Jarmusch, Stranger stranger than paradise or down by law or, um, you know, Alison Anders, um, gas food lodging, you know, this kind of stuff that was sort of like in the kind of indie cinema stuff in the nineties. That's what I was kind of like, oh yeah, there was like, you know, SNL comedies and then there's this.
Right. And so that's kind of how i started kind of getting into like more of a kind of cinema world right um but then i also think too stuff like stanley kubrick's like the shining that those types of movies that are kind of like horror but then kind of what they would call maybe like elevated horror now, which drives me crazy.
But, you know, in a way, it's like, here's a horror movie, which is kind of traditionally a genre that brings in a lot of like young people. It's kind of broad audience stuff, but then like it's a little bit more stylish and is a little bit more open-ended in terms of themes.
So maybe something like that, like The Shining. And then for a third, I mean, I got to say, I mean, again, this is sort of like maybe for a little, people who are a little bit younger, but like those like early Wes Anderson movies, like Bob and Rocket or like, I mean, Rushmore was kind of my favorite out of that stuff.
But, you know, even like World Tenenbaums, I feel like that kind of stuff would take, would basically set you up in terms of, okay, so here's like an auteurist director who has, who's building a sort of cinema language for his work, you know what I mean? And that's kind of, I don't know, maybe if you're kind of getting into that kind of stuff, that would be like a good entry point that's perfect yeah actually my niece sophie texted me because she went and saw the shining at the theater and she was like hey i just saw the shiny you've seen that right and i was just like this is so weird of course i was like yes of course she's like it was so good it was crazy and i'm like yeah it was like the cutest kind of discovery moment that she wanted she brought to me because she was like i feel like you're the kind of person that would appreciate that movie and i'm like yes i do i really do yeah i would say i think that's right on i think there are some like gateway directors that are like kind of like how, my cinephiles sort of like found their way into, uh, movies. Um, for my age, you know, Millie mentioned I'm very young, um, that, uh, so like I would say Paul Thomas Anderson is a really good director to kind of follow his career.
he did like boogie nights which is uh

art house film i would say but also like a major uh studio film um but then you know he did like

there will be blood a few years later which is a lot i would say darker and weirder and um that

was like nominated for like best picture and stuff but it kind of is a good way to like get into um

I'm not sure. I would say darker and weirder.
And that was like nominated for like best picture and stuff,

but it kind of is a good way to like get into more of the like highbrow,

you know, cinephile movies.

And then, so that's like more on the easier end.

And I would say like, you know, we're recording this today.

One of the great film directors died. So sad.
David Lynch, my favorite director. And he's like a great, he's kind of, you have to, if you want to get into film, you have to see some of his movies.
And I would say the entry point for that, for him, would be Blue Velvet, I would say. Yes.
It it's a weird but it feels weird it feels like this is like no other movie i've ever seen but the plot makes sense and you can understand why things are happening where that cannot be said for most of his other movies so that's like a good if you want to get into david lynch i would say start with blue velvet You know i've got so true that's why mulholland drive is one of my favorite movies of all time is because the first time i watched it i was like there's no plot i don't get it totally like there's you know it's just a movie there's no plot and then i watched it again and i was like holy fuck like the way it blew my mind that when i could finally follow the plot blew it so hard that nothing has ever lived up to that again yeah I totally agree because we we did that uh movie for like one of the last episodes of I saw what you did and I had seen it like maybe twice in the past once when it came out which I was totally with you Georgia like was like I don't know what's going on whatever yeah it's a vibe I guess it's a Yeah. But I don't know anything.
And then the second time I watched it, I was, you know, like maybe sort of getting into it a little bit more. But then when we watched it for the episode, I had this like revelation.
And I was like, I know everything about this movie. And I wanted, like, I told Danielle, I was like, we're gonna have to really

watch the clock because I could talk about this movie for like four or five hours. I have so much to say.
It's like everything clicks together all of a sudden. I love it.
When I saw that movie, my friend Danny and I hated it so much that like five days later, we were at a barbecue together and a guy we did not know happened to nearby us say that he liked that movie. And we harangued him until he left the party.
What are you talking about? Which is, of course, our very they're very 90s personality, which was lauded back then when you were just like overtly hostile for no reason to every single person. but it was this thing of like, I don't know what you're talking about.
But it's like, of course, that's what David Lynch is trying to get you to do. He's like, do you like this or do you absolutely hate it? OK, here's a little more.
Like, I just think that part of it is making people who maybe wouldn't even think to do it suddenly talk about

movies,

know what they like about movies,

like know that their opinion counts about movies.

It's cool.

Yeah,

totally.

RIP to a great one.

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That was like his big message. And I think that a lot of people feel like when you make art or any sort of like project, you're like, you need to die for this.
You need to starve yourself, you know? And I feel like David Lynch was very much like, no, you need to be like, it's better to be a happy person making art. And you can still make art about dark things.
And God knows he did, but it's like, you still need to like take care of yourself. And I think that's a good message.
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Millie, did you say what your movie most recent was? Yeah. Better Man.
Oh, so sorry. I got so excited about Truly Madly Deeply because that's like, it's literally like I made that movie.
Nobody knows that movie ever. And like, I'm always telling people you got to watch it.
I was shocked. I looked on letterboxd and like no one I follow has watched it.
And I was surprised because I was like this, it's just, it's an incredible film. You Casey, you have like in the past have done this very similar thing where you have pulled out like this unknown rom-com and have become like it's number one fan think that's lovely about wow i'm like oh this is like fucking weird rom-com that no one's seen in like 30 years casey five stars i'll let her boxed now nobody else i know has seen it and i'm compelled to go watch it so i'm a lover i'm a feeler and i love digging up these these rom-coms no one's watching.
I love it. Casey, are you so excited to finally get some fucking attention in this podcasting world? No longer a producer.
Yeah, you've been behind the scenes now. Oh my God, finally.
Yes, I get to emerge from behind the, I don't know. The sweet spot.
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I'm thrilled. I mean, it was such an honor that Millie, you know, reached her hand down into the gutter and pulled me out of it and allowed me to be on this pod.
Yeah, like Pennywise, yeah. How did you guys, like, come to that idea that, like, this is a movie podcast? Like, what was the thinking behind all of that? Well, like I saw what you did was ending and Millie wanted to do an, another show.
And I was kind of like, well, I was like, please let me produce it. So that was sort of the impetus.
Just, you know, Millie making a new movie show. Yeah.
We joked about this. We joke about this in the pilot episode, actually.
I don't know if I should say it, but that I was like, basically like Bradley Cooper in A Star Is Born and I like found Casey, the Lady Gaga character, like doing a little burlesque in a shitty bar and I was like, come in my limo. I'm gonna make a star movie.
No, I was like, here's's the thing about casey like i have heard him on other podcasts before and he's so charismatic so funny knows a lot about movies like has well like you know when you have when you hear people or you meet people that have cut like you know you have like similar opinions about things and it's like yes they get they would get me oh yeah yeah very crucial yeah. Yeah.
Very crucial for me. I just have to say by personality, I need to be understood.
That is like my lot in life. And so I was like, oh, here's somebody who I think we line on a lot of similar stuff.
And we're not like the types to like the same things. That's what I'm saying, which I love.
I love that we don't like the same things necessarily, but our reasons for liking and hating things are the same. If that makes sense.
You respect that the other person's wrong, essentially. Or like the reason why you don't like something is the reason why I wouldn't like something.
Right. You know, even though those two things would probably were different, I guess.
Totally. Yeah.
But I would hear him on these other podcasts and yeah, I mean, it was just like, well, I want to do a show with him. Does he want to do a show with me? Yeah, the eternal question.
Totally. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it was just so funny, Millie. I feel like up until recently, you're like, just checking in, you want to do this show with me, right? And no, I mean, I feel like Millie and I always, like we always connected really well.
And I wanted to keep working with her if she wanted to keep making podcasts. So that was sort of the like the beginning of the show.
We want to get a sense of through the move. We're just trying to do the movie thing along with you.
We want to get a sense of who you are as people. What do you get when you go to the movie theater? What is your snack combination? This is a great question.
And actually, I feel like a lot of our show is about the movie watching ritual, too. Like what we do when we watch movies.
I always get popcorn and I always try to get a cherry Coke. Those are kind of my go-to.

It's hard for me to incorporate candy into it.

Cause I,

if I need the,

I need the pop and then I need,

but the candy in the pop is just too much sweetness.

So I don't know.

That's the popcorn and cherry Coke is my go-to.

That's lovely.

That's nice.

The popcorn thing is absolute.

Like I,

movie theater popcorn always gives me a stomach ache,

but I don't care.

Me too.

It's like the problem.

I'm not going to for like three days after this. I have to I have to eat it.
Like I don't know what it is. Yeah.
And then I'm with you Casey like what I started I was always for a very long time the peanut M&Ms on top of the popcorn. Yes.
Yes. i used to call like trail mix this is healthy right but then lately i've been because i yeah i don't want to get the soda if you're getting candy so i switch and now it's either that i get the popcorn in a Coke Icy.
Ooh.

Ooh.

You know?

Which is the only time I ever drink full flavor Coke.

I usually do not drink.

I usually do like Diet or Coke Zero or, you know.

Yeah.

But in an Icy, it's the most delicious thing of all time.

I have to.

So good.

So it's either that and then I alternate with the peanut M&Ms, but always popcorn. Can I ask you guys a question? You guys are all movie goers.
I don't go to the theater. And I've always wondered this.
Are you supposed to finish your snacks before the movie starts? That always blew my mind. It's like you have to save it and you're supposed to eat it before, right? I can't help myself sometimes.
You mean like in the 15 minutes of trailers and stuff? Yeah. And then everyone stops eating when the movie starts.
So I feel self-conscious chewing loudly. Wait, so you feel self-conscious chewing when the movie has started? You think you need to scarf the food? It seems like everyone else finishes their...
I don't know if it was like a rule that I just didn't fucking know.

I don't.

I've never finished my snacks before.

I mean, not to say...

It's not like I haven't put a serious dent in.

But to me, part of the joy of a big bucket of popcorn and watching a movie is this zone out and just insane.

Just like...

Okay.

Just shoveling it into your face in the dark. That's fun of it okay that's good to know i a lot of times i do i don't know if it's to completion but i i'm like 75 there me too that's exactly what i was gonna say i'm 75 there you know I'm peaking at the right when the movie starts and then I can pick my spots when I.
It's not out of respect, though. It's out of just me being gross and I'm like, I'm starving.
Yeah. And then sometimes I do a thing where I will, you know, go to that 75% and then save the 25 and then we'll dip in like an hour into the film.
So I'll just like pick it back up again. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. It's like, I remember I had this.
But yeah, I'm housing that shit. Like I'm like.
Hell yeah. Okay.
That's good to know. Honestly, I've like been worried.
Don't worry about those other people. I have a follow-up to that question, which is, who's the most famous person you've ever seen at the concession stand at the Arclight here in Los Angeles? Oh, shit! Oh, man.
Danielle and I saw somebody that was on Seinfeld, not as a main character, but some recurring, And now I can't remember who it was. Was it like a Patrick Warburton or something like that? Oh yeah.
Yeah. Or the guy with the white hair.
Yeah. It was definitely some beloved side character from Seinfeld.
We saw it at the Arclight. The Arclight was a good place to spot celebrities, I feel like.

Or like known people.

I don't know why this guy popped into my head,

but I was seeing Nope

at the Arclight.

I think it was Nope

or it was Us,

one of the Jordan Peele movies.

And Tom Morello

was getting popcorn.

Of Rage Against the Machine

guitarist was getting popcorn.

That is a good one.

I was always so jealous whenever I would hear the stories of Keanu Reeves going to the Arclight. And I was like, when does he go? And how come I'm not there at the same? I saw him at the Beverly Center.
You got to go to the mall too. I know.
The Beverly Center. I mean, the only reason I wrote that question in was because I saw Colin Farrell at the concession stand.
So I reverse engineered that entire thing simply to be able to tell that story again. Oh man, we're Farrell for Farrell.
We are. We're a pro Farrell podcast.
We know this. How could you be anti? I challenge you, but I swear to God, I felt him coming from like 500 paces.

I was just like, what's this?

There's electricity in the air down here in the lower concession area.

And then I looked over.

There he was.

Glasses, headband, weird workout clothes.

He absolutely was like, the aura was like 20 feet in front of him.

He knew it.

We all knew it. It was amazing.
It's like an angel. Yeah.
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Landed in like the first like five rows of seats and then everybody just jumped up. Yeah.
And every, like the whole theater, it was like we were in this like frozen moment of we were like waiting for an explosion or something. It was like really hard.
So everybody was like stood up and like kind of moving towards the emergency exits, but nobody was we were kind of like frozen waiting to see like what would happen with the fire. Like either it was going to just fizzle out, explode.
Somebody was going to like get burned. We were just waiting for something to happen.
And then by the by the time anything was supposed to happen, the fire alarm got pulled and they were like clearing people out. So we had to leave.
Anyway. You can't do that.
That's an 80s trick. And this movie theater, I'm going to call this movie theater out in Atlanta.
Chronically, there's always teenage antics at this Yeah. And if you every time, because this is not the first time there's been some malarkey here.
And like, this is the problem with the movies, is that it's not just teenagers running, you know, scams, but it's like the teenagers run the place. So they're in cahoots.
And so nothing gets done.

There's no policy that gets enacted because of this.

And so every time something has happened in this movie theater,

including the fireworks saga,

I have asked one of my friends that has kids.

I was like,

is it a school holiday?

And they were like,

yes.

And I'm like, so the messaging is that on on a school holiday the kids go to the movie theater and cause trouble so now I stay away yeah yeah they're like that's their way to party this is what I think every movie's like that's why I don't it's always firecrackers yeah especially that movie's it's it's already so tense and so much going on. Yeah.
And it was like, we had to get, we got a pass to come back to see the last hour of it. Like an hour into it.
It was so annoying, but I don't know. Casey, what about you? Do you have any memorable film or a movie theater experience? Well, well i mean i kind of talked about this on one of our episodes the where i had to like yell at those old people because they were in my seat i i've had a lot of issues with people sitting in my seat when it's a reserved seat i don't know how you both feel about uh the reserved seats in the movie theaters but i like it i like having a reserved seat reserved seat for myself.
And my wife and I were in the theater. It was like a sold out theater.
We were seeing the big short and we got there right when the movie started. And there were these, I go to the, this is at the Arclight and I go to like the guy working.
I'm like, where are our seats? I can't even see, it's so dark. And he's like, they're up there, but I can see that there's a guy sitting in your seat.
So you're going to have to ask him to move. And I'm like, oh God.
So basically it was this elderly couple and they're, imagine there are four seats and they own two of them, but they're sitting in the middle and we own two of them, but they're sitting in the middle too. And so they have to.
No, you can't do that. I'm sorry.
I'm angry. They have to scoot over one, you know, to make room for us.
And so I go up and I'm like, hi, sir, you are in my seat. And he's like, what? And I was like, and the movie has started.
And I was like, oh, you're in my seat. I paid for these seats.
And his wife is like, what's going on? And I'm like, oh my God. I was like, please.
And the movie has started. And I'm like, please move over one seat.
And then the people behind them are like, why are these people standing in the middle of the movie? And I was like, I was like, this is my ticket. Move over one.
And finally they did get the message and move over one. But that was a pretty harrowing experience.
Then you have to sit next to them. I have to sit next to them the whole time.
Hold on a second though. Just to devil's advocate.
Okay. Why were you so late? That's what my mom said to me too.
She was like, well, it's your fault. You were late to the movie.
So I mean, I, you know, I, that's true. I can't deny.
I was, I was wrong for being late to late to the movie but the last time we went to the movies it was a very similar situation except for I was the late one and the movie theater for some it was in my hometown it was so dark inside the movie theater that I couldn't find the rows walk like the letter row walking up and no idea what the number of seat so my cousin is up there somewhere and I walk halfway down and it's pitch black like I can't see anything and it's one of those ones where you know the newfangled movie theater seats where it's like a lazy boy recliner so I'm walking really slow because I don't want to slam my shins into a recliner thing and I just am like guessing as to where my seat would be or where my cousin is. And so I'm bending over and trying to look into people's faces.
I get like halfway down, walking really slow. And I just go like, Anna? And then this girl just goes, no.
Oh, no. And then I just so I keep going.
And then I just end up very slowly running into the wall because it was one of those small theaters that doesn't have stairs on either side. It was just like, I just got to the end by touching my nose to a carpeted wall.
That hurts me. It was so embarrassing.
That is just so scary though. It's so, it can be so dark in there and there's like, you know, there's like dozens of people sitting quietly and you're like trying to navigate them i mean it's like a horror movie and they can see you fine because their eyes are adjusted yes and it was the beginning of a complete unknown where it's so dark it's so dark and they're in a hospital while someone is dying of a degenerative disease and you're like so when i hit the wall, my cousin Sophie is the one that's there.
And she goes, did you just run into the wall? And I'm like, thanks for your help. And she goes, I couldn't see you.
I didn't know it was you until you started laughing. That's so funny you said that because I saw that movie in the theater too.
And the opening, the first like five minutes of A Complete Unknown is so dark that I thought I was about to go to the projection booth and be like could you like i don't know if the you know uh the movie's playing right or whatever and i because i there are people just like you who were like fumbling stumbling because it was so i was like why is this gonna be so dark i don't understand where we're at it's crazy yeah oh my gosh wild should we let you guys host a little bit what you know you guys host like it's your podcast you go yeah we have a few questions here lined up millie do you what what should we start with here um oh gosh i don't know you know this is we were talking about you know kind of're going to do for this podcast, like how we're going to set it up and what are these like questions that we want to ask our guests. Right.
And one of the things that came to mind, I mean, again, like this this podcast that we're doing is also about like movie culture. so you know we're talking about not just like movie theater going but like like video stores and, you know, just stuff that if you're into movies or there's like these little rituals, these little, you know, little things that we do.
And one of the questions that we like to ask is imagine that you're in a video store. and so if you're you you know, going through the video store, what's like the first VHS or DVD cover that comes to mind when you enter into a store? Do you have yours? I do.
Oh, good, good. It's not going to be the same for sure.
It'd be amazing if it was at the same time. One, two, three.
Twins. A fish called Wanda.
Oh, a fish called Wanda. I can see both of those perfectly in my head.
Oh, my God. So much.
Absolutely. Why is that? Twins.
For some reason, that's the one with Schwarzenegger. And Danny DeVito, yeah.
Danny DeVito, yeah. Now, what's your relationship with that movie, Georgia? Do you have a relationship? Yes.
I was the right age and every other weekend at my dad's house, my single dad. And so we had a we would have to rent a VCR from the video store.
We're going to do that. And so we just fucking love that movie and watch the shit out of it.
I'm sure it's so inappropriate for children. Yeah.
Okay. Very and karen what about a fish called wanda do you have any relationship with that movie well the first thing i saw was kevin klein with his like balancing on something which actually could be from a different movie but i'm picturing him like i feel like he had that spate this run of movies from like 84 to 95 where it was like that he would be Kevin Kline on the spine of a VHS tape like balancing on a chair or like having a mustache.
Both these movies are posing for the cover. Yeah.
Like they're not like take a clip from the movie. They're like the cast.
Yes. They're posing.
I totally see it. The visual part.
but i think the kevin klein i anything he was doing i wanted to be there for it and my family would be too like he a fish called wanda made my parents laugh so hard it was one of those kinds of um that and the four seasons like where you're like what's going on that they like this so much so then it made me pay more attention to like the actual comedy because I was interested in like what what what was everyone doing that was eliciting that response yeah they weren't because they were not easy laughers and they were like crying laughing so I think it was that piece of it where it's like kind of what the our family liked a little bit it is is funny because I feel like you mentioned that they like,

these are both like posing for the poster.

And I feel like that's such a lost art.

Everything's photoshopped now,

or it's like a still taken from the movie or something.

But like.

Very poorly too.

These weird, like, it looks like a Hallmark movie poster,

but it's like a big budget movie.

Yeah.

I don't know if people, they just can't be, you know,

these stars can't, don't want to get back together for a fun little shoot or something, but. Right.
Get in front of that white psychic pose. That's right.
Sell this thing. Well, very good.
That's, I love that. Millie, you know what? I don't feel like you have answered that question.
What, what, what's, what's like the VHS cover that comes to your mind? Well, I mean, I was such a video store loser as a kid. I mean, I was there constantly.
And it was just like, you know, well, first of all, my parents never let us go to the movie theater. They were too cheap to let us go to first run movies.
So we were at the video store constantly. And all of my good memories from video stores come from the horror movie section it's just what clicked in my brain and so I think for me the first one that comes to mind is the cover for a movie called happy birthday to me and it's a basically a shish kebab skewer going through a guy's mouth into the back of his head.

Happy birthday to me.

I have never even heard of this movie.

What?

Oh, my God.

It's a classic.

Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

It was in the solid horror section, which I wouldn't necessarily be that interested in. But you would kind of love the like i was thinking that would always be next to like christine and then like something else so you'd be like oh i would watch a stephen king oh my god happy birthday to me or like the one where the like she will have her revenge there was some really dark late 70s horror that would get mixed in there so then it would just be like well we can't rent that but what is it like what's happening over there there was another one that is in that era i think or around that era the movie was i think the movie is called phenomena by dario argento the um you know uh italian horror director but it was called creepers And it was basically, the cover was like an illustration of Jennifer Connelly, the actress Jennifer Connelly, with half of her face being ripped off by like insects.
There's a lot of bugs in phenomena. Yeah.
A.K.A. Creepers.
And this is just on a shelf at my height, which at the time I was probably like, what, three feet tall or something? I mean, I was like, and I'm going, yeah, this is like totally ruining my life. Like all of these little boxes, they were so evocative, so freaky.
And it just, you know, those are the things that I kind of gravitated towards, I think. Yeah, definitely.
And you were in there like staring at these boxes like you. It was quiet like the library.

And you were desperate to pick something that would actually entertain you because that was like your one chance where it's like, go find something.

And then it was like, well, will I pick that will actually make me happy?

And your sibling can't. So you have to you guys have to agree on it.
Yeah.

That's the worst part. Fabulous.
I love talking about VHS covers in the video store

because I just think it's like when you sort of start learning,

like movies become evocative to you at a very young age

where you're like, what is that?

I need to know what that is.

And I think that's sort of.

Well, you know, my sister and I snuck into the X-rated.

We pushed the curtain aside

and ran into the X-rated video store section.

Yes.

When no one was looking. How was it were i read about this in our book i was like you have i was so overwhelmed but i'm like you have to look at one and you have to pay attention you have to like focus on it or you're not going to see anything you know because i was so overwhelmed that's really good that's like a mature uh thought process going into this it's like circle circle circle just look at something and so i looked at it it was called naked with shoes on and it blew my mind interesting she had like tenny you know like la gear tennis shoes and like scrunch socks and was like clearly naked everywhere else naked with shoes on i was like oh my god that's a thing like i didn't realize adults were like into it naked with shoes on yeah that is so such a weird concept now that I think about it because like my local video

store had that section as well,

curtained off.

So you're predictably like in the family video store with like other people in

your community.

So you're seeing like neighbors,

you're seeing your pastor,

you're seeing your,

so it's like,

then all of a sudden it's like your friend's dad like disappears behind

I don't know if that would happen these days. Like nobody wants to be in the X rated video section while people are running twins.
Right. It's like a different vibe.
So it's like pervs go in the back yeah yeah they don't want that for themselves no but they all had that though they did it was like that it was always like beaded curtain kind of like here's the sexy area did you ever rent anything when you got older in the beaded sexy area no oh my god yeah me neither just i just watched the cook the thief his wife and her lover a bunch of times that's a great art house movie i love i don't know though it's very sexy and dirty and there's a lot of like pate on naked bodies i think helen mirren is like covered in rotting meat,

completely nude at some point in that film.

Sexy.

Yeah.

Excellent.

But does she have shoes on?

Wow.

The idea that they just named it what the thing is,

is the funniest.

Yeah.

I love it so much. Yeah.

And I tried to look it up and I can't find it.

Like it might not exist in real life.

It might just exist in my mind.

I want to ask one last question. Do you guys have a dream guest? David Lynch, RIP.
That would have been amazing. But do either of you have a dream guest? I mean, Keanu Reeves.
I say that every film podcast says we do. I always say Keanu Reeves.
Could happen. I'd love for that to happen.
He loves movies. Turns out.
Always loves movies I feel like one that I thought I was like if we had Martin Scorsese on our podcast I mean he's like such a movie lover that's why I feel like he would fit in well with our show but so he would be a dream guest of mine let's put those out into Listen, I'll appeal to him as a fellow Italian-American, and I will start talking about cannolis and other Italian things, and hopefully he'll come. I watched a documentary, Forrest, with my dad about the automat in New York City that he was in and talked very passionately about the automat and what theat was like.
It was hilarious. Yeah.
No, he would be awesome. Let's do it.
Yeah, that's a good one. We'll get on that here at Exactly Right.
We're going to do everything we can. All right.
Do you guys have, is there anything else you want to talk about or a plug or anything? No, we just really are so thankful for you both for, you vision and, and, and helping us get it going. And we're just so happy to be back doing film podcasts with exactly right.
I mean, I had such a great experience the first time. And like, when we were talking about ending, you know, I saw what you did.
I was like, no, I want to say don't pull me out of my dream so I was you know like really really excited that we kind of kept it in the fam you know with Casey and I don't know I'm just really really excited about what we can do and we hope that everybody enjoys it and takes a listen so yeah I mean it was an easy hell yes when we heard the pitch it was just like fucking absolutely. I can't wait to see what you guys do.
And yeah, it's great. It's exciting.
It's great. I will definitely miss I Saw What You Did because as a film historian and a great writer, Millie, you just would kind of present these the movies that you and Danielle would talk through.
and it would be like Danielle would just be kind of the person who's like, oh, I just saw this for the first time. And then you would be, you would present the kind of the other side of like, well, here are all the things I know about this.
And it's so deeply interesting to me because you are so good at that and you have been doing it for so long, but listening to the two of you guys talk and it's much more kind of like up-to-date conversational recommendations, what's going on. It's day and date.
It's almost like a little, it's like your movie newsletter as opposed to your movie thesis, which both so valid, but you guys as a combination is just like so charming and easy to listen to as a podcast. So great.
Thank you. Oh, one thing I want to pitch is, or a plug, I should say, is the Softies, the band The Softies, they do the theme song to our show.
And they're one of my favorite bands. And we're an inspiration to kind of the vibe of the podcast.
So it was like such a thrill to have them do the theme song. So if I'm plugging anything, they have a new album, The Bed I Made.
You can listen to that. I love it.
I love them. That's exciting.
Yeah, it's a perfect perfect their theme song is so perfect and lovely yeah i know it's so cute you guys congratulations uh we love your show we can't wait for everyone else to hear it it's so great dear movies i love you launches on january 28th and new episodes will air every tuesday also don't forget to listen subscribe and give that show a five star rating it really It really deserves it. And also stay sexy.
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