Kylie & Ciara on Super Bowl Bathroom Meetups, New York New Chapter & Embracing Stretch Marks | Ep. 31

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Not gonna lie, I was a little confused.

Ellie told me that her toe had a headache.

I'm still not sure what it meant,

but it has gone away.

So

let's get this podcast started.

Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, A Wave Original, brought to you by Toyota.

Let's go places.

I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, 33-year-old teen mom, Gotham FC women's soccer fan.

Until Philadelphia gets a team.

And officially no longer the record holder for the most watched episode of the other podcast.

And there's no way it's even close.

And I love that for me.

Full disclosure, we're taping this episode on Tuesday morning.

So new h this week has, oh, I shouldn't say new h.

That felt weird.

We're taping this episode on Tuesday morning.

So the other podcast, we all know what's about to happen.

And I love it so much.

It is very entertaining to watch the internet break.

It's just crumbling apart.

And I love it.

I love that

a day before it releases, we know at not gonna lie that

my interview on the other podcast is about to

lose its long tenured reign as top-watched episode.

And I welcome that wholeheartedly.

Let's drop that sucker all the way down.

It's just boop boop.

But also, I'm also excited to watch the episode.

Very much so.

I want to find out all the things because I don't know what

they're saying.

Anyway.

A lot of real ones and people in my real life have been asking me if I knew this was happening.

And to that I say

we also got this question from Real One Grace Davis.

Orange album.

Question mark.

Jason Kelsey, in honor of the new album you should buy at Kylie Kelsey at NGL with Kylie an orange tabby cat.

I'm just saying your girls will love it.

Great idea.

Let's slide the cat in there.

We'll bait and switch Jason.

We'll show him like, oh my gosh, whoa, you guys are breaking the internet with your podcast.

Boom.

Cat in the house.

He'll never know.

Outstanding.

No notes.

I don't think the cat dream is any closer to coming true.

I do have to break that to you.

I think we're probably a little ways out from the cat.

But like I've said before, we're in this for the long game.

There will be a cat in our future.

Now that that's been addressed, coming up on today's episode, there is nothing I love more in this world than being a mom, but occasionally I do miss a few small luxuries from my pre-parenting life, like not having to schedule my showers.

Yeah.

So I'm going to get honest about that and some other simple joys that are currently, we'll call it on hold.

After that, I'm going to be joined by Grammy winning singer, songwriter, and dancer.

She's a 2000s RB icon and someone I have,

you guessed it, zero business speaking to.

Guys, we got Sierra.

I'm so excited.

We had the pleasure of meeting this past weekend at Gotham FC, which you'll hear about in our interview.

but I have to tell you guys something

because you know I always want to give you unfiltered truth.

She's even prettier in person.

It is,

she floats like she glided into the room.

Stunning.

But first,

let's get right into Doom Scroll of the Week.

This week, I found myself Doom Scrolling our own mentions because they were absolutely glazing glazing since I did our Gen Z slang pop quiz.

Chat, did I use glazing right?

You clock that?

Nailed it.

First up, there was even more new slang you guys wanted me to know about.

Real one, Liz's New Beginning, commented on our slang clip.

Please do part two with the Gen Z term cracked slash got cracked because because it's not what you think at all.

According to Urban Dictionary, cracked means

internet gaming term used for people who are insanely good at something.

Okay, that's not the cracked that I looked up.

I believe I looked up got cracked,

which

is very different.

This we should put a parental warning on this one.

I hope

that

there aren't kids listening.

Queen Emma, roll the clip.

It says, got, quote, cracked last night.

Everyone's packages will be delivered on time today.

That's what the UPS man is saying.

And for those of you who are our listening audience, he puts his foot up on the front seat and gyrates a little bit.

Well done, sir.

A user on the What Does This Mean subreddit defines got cracked very eloquently.

It means she received a respectable romp between the sheets with a partner of her choosing.

Okay.

Got it.

I think we can all agree.

The day.

I think that does it for got cracked.

Chat!

Next up, can I be honest?

I was down the shore over the weekend, and as I was sitting there, absolutely covered in sand, trying to keep my eyes on all four children as three of them are running in opposite directions.

Trying to build a sand castle from my chair because I'm holding the four-month-old, but also trying to stay in the shade, trying to sunscreen them so that we don't end up with sunburn on tiny humans, opening snack bags, but also trying to get the sand off of their hands while their hands are still wet.

And then they try to get up off the sand with their hands in the sand.

I looked out to the water and realized I miss swimming in the ocean.

There are so many things

as a parent that you take for granted.

You think to yourself, it's not going to be that different.

I just have to take care of this tiny human.

And then it's the little things,

these teeny, tiny, little things that pop up, and you're just like,

well, damn.

So I want to preface this by explaining that I love being a mom.

And I've said this a number of times: that I am unbelievably grateful to have my tiny humans.

It is a privilege.

And I recognize that.

But

I'm going to get real honest about this.

So I already said swimming in the ocean.

Here's the rest of my list of the top 10 things I miss most as a mom.

And by that, I mean recently.

Because I guarantee you, two months from now, it's going to be a different list.

Number one, I miss sitting down for extended periods of time.

I don't want to come wipe your butt.

I want to sit my butt in a spot and I want to stay there.

Okay.

Two, I miss wearing two AirPods

because I put one in

to hear

a text message, a phone call.

This is actually, this is a little bit of a life hack.

If you are doing things with your children, if you put an AirPod in,

you will be able to hear your phone dictate your text messages.

You'll know that you got a phone call.

The important things will still happen, but you can leave your phone in the other room so that your tiny humans don't steal it.

Number three,

I miss showering whenever I want, for however long I want.

Now,

I, of course,

if at any point needed to shower, could tell my husband or whoever is with the kids, hey, I'm going to go shower, right?

But

it's not that simple.

I need to plan it around when I work out.

I need to plan it on

feeds for the child.

I need to plan around the tiny humans having eyes on them.

I just want to, I just want to take a shower.

I want to take an everything shower

on a more regular basis.

Number four, I miss giving people my undivided attention.

I want to have a conversation

with another grown adult in my house without having mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mommy, mom, mom, mommy, mom, mom, excuse me, mom, excuse me, excuse me, mom, excuse me, mom, excuse me, mom, mom, mom, excuse me.

It's that bad.

And the worst part is, is that now that I've, now that we've arrived at the destination of understanding that you need to say excuse me,

it's unbelievably cute.

And

they're being polite.

So I feel like I then have to, even if I'm like, hey, I appreciate that you said excuse me, but mom's in the middle of a conversation.

As soon as I'm done, I will ask you what you needed from me.

Okay.

But mom, just real quick,

I just want to, I just want to, I just want to talk to someone and be able to walk in.

Number five, I miss leaving the house with at most my phone and my keys.

I don't want to have to have diapers, wipes, hand sanitizer,

an outfit for every single person in the car.

Number six, I miss not having to plan aggressively around outside temperatures.

Do you know what I personally wear when it's raining?

Exactly what I wear when it's not fucking raining.

Number seven, I miss watching movies and TV shows that I want to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I give a lot of love to a lot of kids' shows on here, and there are certain ones that I truly, I'm okay watching.

Like, I enjoy it.

But sometimes you just want to re-watch New Girl for the 72nd time

and not be argued with.

Number eight, I miss getting to actually play games at an arcade.

So this one, this one is a little niche,

but we have an arcade that we go to at the shore.

And

I love arcade games.

I am a competitive human being.

And do I want any of the prizes?

Not really.

Do I want to win?

You're fucking right I do.

But But I can't do that if I have a child hanging on my leg and another one in my right arm.

We kind of cracked the code last summer because I had a sitter so that we could go to the arcade after our kids went to sleep.

I did that.

Don't tell them.

I swear to God, if you tell them, I'll never hear the end of it.

Don't tell them.

Number nine, I miss sitting down to an uninterrupted meal.

If I'm lucky, you want to go a step further doing that with my husband.

Number 10, I miss getting a full eight hours of sleep.

This is the most self-explanatory.

I miss it.

When I didn't have tiny human feeding overnight,

I swear they take turns.

They have a little meeting right before bedtime.

They're like, hey, I'm actually really tired tonight.

Anyone else want to take this shift?

And one of the other ones is going to be like, I got this.

I'm going to have a nightmare about a spider.

I'm going to scream my fucking head off.

And then guess what they do?

2.15.

Mm!

That does it for my list.

And for can I be honest, let me know what's on your list by tagging us at NGL with Kylie.

Coming up, Sierra is about to join the show right after my brand new minivan mini update brought to you by Toyota.

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I have no one to blame for this change of heart besides my Sienna herself.

She's simply making it way too easy for me to embrace minivan life.

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She's the iconic Grammy Award-winning singer, songwriter, and dancer who brought us such classic bangers like one, two-step, goodies, and like a boy which i jammed out hard to this morning uh she's got eight studio albums including her newest one cece out august 22nd she's also a fellow mom of four a wife of an nfl player i can't believe i'm saying this sierra welcome to not gonna lie

hi kylie good morning how are you

i am so excited to talk to you we just had the pleasure of running into each other at the FC, Gotham FC game this past weekend.

Did you enjoy the game?

Did you get to watch?

I did.

I enjoyed the game.

I had such a great time.

I went there to help light the torch,

which is a very special tradition that they have there at FC Gotham.

And meeting all the girls as well, you know, the whole team was really cool.

You know, it's funny because Russ and I are proud

part owners of the Seattle Sounders.

soccer team and obviously they're Seattle Rain and we just understand the significance of women and sports in general.

And so, you know, while I represent another club in Seattle that is, you know, the home team for me, it still was important to be there for a day like that, which was so important.

I know Dove had the Keeper in the Game,

you know, movement going.

And I think it's important for us to be there for as many people as possible to show up for girls all over.

So I'm like, this is the one day I'll break the rule because, you know, I want to be there.

I'll cross the team lines.

That's it.

Step into enemy territory.

Yeah.

I had a great time.

Did you have a good time as well?

It was incredible and such an honor to be there, like you said, supporting women, supporting women because we need it.

And it's such, such a great example.

They had so many initiatives of bringing in young athletes to see these women showing them exactly what they can strive to be.

So

it was a really cool day.

Now, before we go any further, I actually have to start with my own not gonna lie.

we met before.

This is such an embarrassing story.

We did, we haven't, we've met one time, and I took this experience with me afterwards and was just like, you know, like when you talk to someone

and you just have this moment afterwards, and you're like, you moron, you're a moron.

Uh, because

we were, I was in the bathroom at the Super Bowl in Miami, I believe it was, feeding our oldest, who's now five.

So, So this was five years ago.

And

I, uh, I was feeding her in the bathroom, and you had just announced, I believe it is your third

that you were pregnant with.

Yeah, when?

And

I said, oh, congratulations.

And you said, you were so gracious, of course.

You were like, thank you so much.

And I was like, oh, by the way, my husband loves your husband.

And you, of course, again, so sweet.

We're like, oh, that's so nice.

Thank you.

And in my head, I was like, oh, wait,

you think my husband is a fan of your husband, which he is, but like he also knows him.

So then I was like, in a panic to be like, oh, well, they were just at Pro Bowl together last week.

I was like, gosh, this is not, it's not getting any better.

So then I was just like, okay.

And I was like,

there wasn't an there wasn't a nice way to say that just a couple of days ago, your husband was behind my husband, you know.

That just snaps.

Exactly.

I was like, gosh, you just made it sound like your husband.

And he is, like I said, a fan of your husband.

But it was just so funny that in the moment, I was just like, oh, I never thought of it that way.

It's so funny.

Yes.

That is comedy.

Well, my husband's also a fan of your husband and his legacy that he built.

And, you know, so there's love both ways.

We'll circle back to football, but right now I'd love to talk to you about some of your music.

Like I said, I'm a big fan and I'm so excited about your new album, Cece, which comes out August 22nd.

What's your favorite song from the new album?

Oh man, let me tell you, I'm so excited for this album, Kylie.

This is, this album is a labor of love because it's literally been almost like five years and some change since I've been working on it.

And I've also been releasing songs in real time.

And I'll tell you, this is the first time I think I will be saying this on an interview.

As you know, the 22nd is the big day that my fans finally get to unlock the album.

And when I say unlock because it started out as an EP, and then I shared that EP with the world.

And there's like six or seven songs on there.

And then I was just creating along the way.

And I'm like, I'm going to stop sitting on these songs.

Like, my fans deserve to have these records.

Don't overthink it.

They say thank long, thank wrong.

I'm like, I want to tell my fans, thank you for their support.

Why hold back the music?

Give it to them.

So the 22nd, as you know, is the release date.

And then fast forward to three days later, the deluxe album unlocks as well.

So if you've already pre-saved and you order the album on the 22nd, you're going to automatically get that.

So this is my first time sharing that.

And the reason I'm saying that because one of my favorite songs is on that, on the deluxe album.

And it's called Low.

And it's featuring an artist named Diamond platinums and he's um from tanzania and i'm just i'm just in my africa bag right now and so the energy that comes from that song is so exciting and so um

refreshing for me from creatively it's so melodic is it's so feel-good it's like everything I could want in a song is in that song.

And it's the perfect,

it's like the perfect production of what I was hoping to make when I went in the studio to finish that record and to make it all come to life.

So that's one of my favorites.

No, I'd love to throw this conversation back to 2004, which was when your first album came out, as well as the beginning of my personal love for hip hop and R B.

I was raised on like good,

sort of that like soulful music.

My dad loved to listen to it.

So that's like what we listened to in the car.

And then it just led me right into that early 2000s, like the late 90s, early 2000s, hip-hop and RB is still to this day my go-to in the car.

Like

when it's just me, I'm like, that's it.

I also read that your song, Goodies, was originally called Cookies.

Yeah, it was.

Now,

what went into the decision of switching that name?

Well, back in the days and that time, there was cookies was a hot word.

There was was a song, I think, from an artist in Miami.

I don't remember the name of the artist at that time.

And cookies was a word that they were kind of coining like at that moment, right?

And

I liked it, but I was like, that's just not broad enough, right?

I'm like,

I think this is fun because, you know, you'd like to tap into like what's happening in urban pop culture.

Like, that's always a ways of like making music.

Like sometimes you have that influence of what's happening in the streets.

And I'm like, I like this, but

this is not like allowing me to stretch as far as I want to.

Like cookies is too limiting.

Because the whole idea behind the song, I was this little girl jumping on this sofa in the studio.

And I was like, who put their hands in the cookie jar?

Who, me, yes, you couldn't be, then who?

I was playing with that whole thing.

And the analogy was like, your love, your cookies, the cookie jar, your love.

But it's like, no,

it's got to be broader than that.

And so I literally rode around for like a month to like, I would ride in my car and just sing every line of a song, like every line of the hook, like, cause I wanted to get every line right.

Every line mattered to me.

It's always a case in, in most cases.

And I'm like,

I just took my time and landed on the word goodies.

You'll have to excuse my, how naive I am about musical.

topics because I am not a musician and I own that fully.

But I do think like the sort of quiet build of like my goodies and the G sound just it like hits like in a way that's so smooth.

It cuts through.

Yes.

It like it feels good when it when you hear it.

Think about this.

My cookies, my cookies.

See, that feels choppy.

It's like nice and smooth.

Yes.

Yeah.

So you nailed that decision.

Thank you.

I recently watched a clip of your daughter interviewing you.

And when she said, she called Missy Elliot Auntie Missy.

Yes.

I could not stop smiling.

I told you at the Gotham FC game that I saw you guys perform when you guys were in Philly.

Yeah.

What is your friendship like with Missy Elliott?

How does it feel to have someone like that who's so close to you in the industry with you?

Missy is really one of a kind.

You know, she, I'm so glad that I met her in my career when I did because she was one of those people that with all the success that she had and which I was so inspired from, she was never stingy with her wisdom.

You know, she's always been a person that's been the same person since day one.

And I think that was just a great example to see, you know, how you have to be.

You've got to be like confident in who you are, especially in this industry, because if you're not, it will eat you a lot.

I mean, that is the epitome of women supporting women, right?

That you guys, there's space for everyone.

There's room for both of you to exist and be successful, but also while lifting each other up.

It's such a great example of that.

I'd love to switch gears and talk to you about some football because we have that in common as well.

For anyone listening who might live under a rock, your husband, Russell Wilson, is now with the Giants.

I'll tell you the same thing I always tell Giants fans.

We can see eye to eye because we can collectively dislike the Cowboys together.

that's big facts.

I know.

I was like, I was going to open up with you.

I was going to be like, because we know, I mean, I'm learning the territory of where I am.

And obviously the, the, you know, that blue and silver and white team is definitely a,

you know, it's a, it's a good history.

A nemesis.

Yep.

Yeah, we got a good history there.

And then we also know, too, the

Eagles, you know, there's, it's like the whole history runs thick in this division.

It does.

Right.

So I was like, you know listen on this podcast you and i we cool but you don't yeah that's how it would be right because i mean listen everybody in this this region like is our diehard like i've never seen it this thick where there's more than one

yeah not really where you see more than one black this close together well yeah i mean

for the most part.

I think it's more so the energy of like this region, right?

You know, like when we were in Seattle, we didn't have, yeah, when we were in Seattle, we didn't have like multiples.

It was us and the Niners, like that was more like defined, you know,

you know, and I'll just talk about that time period and skip to now.

Um, but you know, it's um, yeah, no, it's good stuff, though.

It's, it's, I, I'm, we're locked in in this case for sure.

Are you guys moved to New York?

Are you guys enjoying the transition?

Yeah,

how's it been?

We are in New York and it's been so amazing.

It's honestly been,

you know, my dad's from New York, so I kind of got a little, I got a little New York in my blood already, you know?

But no, but being here has been amazing because

the culture, the community, like I've never seen this many playgrounds in a city.

No, it's insane.

Like it's so joyful.

And seeing the lens, seeing things from our kids' lens is really fun.

So like our daughter, Sienna, she um

she was packing, we were packing all their stuff and then she pulls out this shiny shiny pink outfit.

And I'm like, Cece, we don't need all that.

And she's like, mom, we're going to New York.

And I was like, oh, okay.

Like,

you know, she had her perspective on the moment.

Sure.

Like, it's exciting.

And I'm excited for the opportunity of diversity as well.

You know, I'm excited for,

you know, for Russ with football.

You know how this thing is.

Like, this is his life is my life.

You know, like, we're connected.

When he's on the field, I'm on the field.

Oh, yeah.

I I say all this to say it's a super exciting time.

The Giants, you know,

franchise is,

you know, is such a historic, iconic franchise.

And so

I'm very excited for us to be a part of that and what their mission is to build there.

And, you know, just as you know, it all starts there and just trickles down to what we do as a family.

And I couldn't be more pumped and optimistic about this time in our lives.

Now, I have, I'm on record referring to football season as what I like to call single parent season,

just because the schedule is so,

it's, it is hardy.

It's beast, isn't it?

Yeah.

It's beast.

How do you guys manage that?

Oh, yeah.

So I like to do what we call organized chaos, right?

I call my life organized chaos.

It really is that way, as you know, and especially with the fella's schedule.

So we're really big on being intentional with our schedule.

And it's, it's really that simple from my perspective is that the schedule really is the,

you know, the blueprint, right?

It helps us to keep things in line.

Like, and the cool thing is with his schedule, I can maneuver my world around his more

because their schedule is locked.

You know, there's Monday night football, Thursday night football, Sunday.

You know, you know what to expect.

And we see that schedule far in advance.

So then I go, all right, like, for example, this is the craziest time.

Originally, I had my album coming out in July because I was trying to beat everything before training camp and all that stuff.

And then, unfortunately, but fortunately for my fans, and I'll say for me creatively, I got to finish things up more.

You know, now I'm falling in the thick of everything preseason, which is like, I've never really done it that way before.

And you know, like I know, we have our four precious babies.

Oh, yeah.

The husband is the biggest baby to me.

Like, that's my,

that is my fifth baby right there.

Right.

So it's like, I'm like, I'm all in on every aspect and the schedule is what really helps make it make sense.

And then, you know, add this in there, Kylie, as you know, because I'm also like, I'm very hands-on.

So I feel like an octopus most of my life.

Like, I really do.

I feel like my arms are like this, my feet.

And then I'm like, it's never enough of me.

Like,

I've talked about this thing called the mommy choir.

And it's literally mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, like all the kids.

And I'm like, oh my gosh,

it's just not enough of me.

Like, I feel like that more often than not.

So I'm going from basically from a stage to the classroom to a doctor's appointment or to Russ's practice.

Like that's a cycle of my life.

But if I didn't have a schedule, I don't even know.

When Jason retired, we very much ended up in like a.

We will now figure out our new norm.

And it was so much more fluid that we had to be so intentional.

And like you're saying about like your fifth baby like you you chose your husband because you love him you want to make sure that you still get that time to support each other to be with each other and now we've just had to get so intentional about it so the idea of like making sure that you carve out that time time yeah it's it's really is so important

It is, you know, we also, what we've done traditionally since day one, since, you know, we were in each other's lives is every Friday night we do date night.

It's so cute because we were like talking like, about how many date nights have we had?

You know, we read a date night talking about it.

I was like, this is sweet because you think about like that intentionality, right?

Like you have to, and I'll be honest, I'm one of those moms, like when I hear my baby's voices, my heart gets sweet because they, like, if I'm around the corner, I'm like, oh, I need to go like touch them or hold them or feel them.

And then I'm also like,

We have to take care of us, right?

As women and moms, because literally you are like an octopus every day of your life.

yes, but also, like you said, the husband and wife, like the mommy and daddy time is important too, right?

And there's something really magical about taking care of that part, you know, being able to just be with each other, not forgetting to do that.

Yep, because it's easy to forget to do that with our precious babies, but there's something really magical about going top down with that and how it just pours into the house so beautifully.

That's why you mentioned Sienna doing her interview, you know, with me was so cute because she was like, What's this album about love, romance?

And I'm like, you know, because she sees, she witnesses, she sees the, yeah, she sees the love, right?

And I was like, oh, well, that's so touching from, you know, when you step back and look at them, like, this is a really cute and funny moment.

This, my young daughter is having.

But I'm like, that's so sweet.

And they always, she gave me the eye roll when it's time for date night.

She's like, you're going on a date night.

And I'm like,

yes.

It is funny what they catch.

It's funny what they like catch on to or latch on to because our second, a few weeks ago, Jason went to walk out of the house and she goes, you didn't give mom a smoochie kiss.

And I was like, yup.

Get him.

Get him.

Get him back here.

So cute.

But like, it's one of those where like it's, it's such like a routine and like a normal that that's her example that is set for her that she was like, oh.

you forgot something.

And I was like, yes, thank you so much.

My little sidekick.

Now, the one thing that I am absolutely fascinated about just circling back to the NFL one more time, because

you guys, you and your husband have kind of become matchmakers.

Is that right?

You posted a photo on TikTok of you and your husband FaceTiming DK Matcalf and Normani,

who just got engaged with the caption at Russell Wilson.

And I knew when we introd y'all three years ago, love was truly in the air.

Yeah, so sweet.

First First of all, I have to shout the both of them out.

We love them so dearly.

Obviously, Russ and DK, they're like brothers.

And DK is like my brother.

I'll be like, what up, broski?

Like when they're faced, I'm like, what up, bro?

And our kids love them.

He's Uncle DK in our house.

And then obviously Normani is like a sister to me.

And I think that.

You know, when you see an opportunity for someone to experience love, especially in the way that you know it to be, why not?

You know, and so it was love at a game of cards for those two, but I'll let them tell their story.

But let's just say Russ and I were definitely, we were like, we need to make sure that these two get together and we'll let them take it away.

You know, and so

that is a beauty.

It's a beautiful thing when that happens like that.

And so, yeah, we love, we love seeing people experience love.

Like, we actually, it's really a fun thing for us.

Like, it's, you know, we'll be talking to someone.

They'll be like, babe, you know, we'll be good for her.

They'll be like, you know, it'll be good for him.

Like, we, do like that.

Like, we love it, though.

So, give me some tips because I have had

some guests on the show.

I've had some people in my everyday life who will say to me, like, I'm looking, like, if you think of anyone, what are the things that you sort of like lock in on other than the obvious, like, complementary personality traits?

Yeah, I think it's like how a person carries themselves.

Okay.

Right?

It's like, how do they,

you know, who, what's, what's the, what, what's the vibes, right?

Because you got to have a vibe match.

We need, We got to have a vibe check.

Vibes got to be like parallel.

Um, I think, too, you kind of like hear in conversation, people often say what they're looking for.

And there's nothing better than when someone's intentional, right?

Like when, like, DK was saying what he like wanted in a, in his woman, and, and he was intentional.

I'll just say that.

So I'll leave it there.

Cause again, I don't want to tell their story, but let's just say like it made sense.

Like, okay, you know, and my friend Normani also knew what she wanted in her life and they were at the perfect time in their lives.

So I think that you've got to,

it's compatibility is everything, right?

And I think that it's important to like

know like the traits of people and know like what their desires are.

And then you just start to go, it starts, the wires start to go,

something starts to happen.

Then all of a sudden you're like, all right.

You guys take it away.

So you're just offering the opportunity for them to let sparks fly.

It's like, for example, example, when you want, when you want love in your life, I'm assuming, you know, before you and Jason met, you know, I'm not sure how you guys met.

On Tinder.

Oh, did you really meet on Tinder?

Yes.

Did you really?

Yes.

Oh, my gosh.

But okay, wait, wait, wait.

This is...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay, listen, I don't know how all these apps work.

I don't know if Tinder was, Tinder was one of those, was that one of those spicy ones?

Tinder was when we met on Tinder, it was like the bare minimum.

you swipe left for no you swipe right for yes like that's it you don't you don't get to backtrack you never see those people again it is it was as simple as like yes or no yeah

that's good yes or no and four cares four kids later right it's all right that was a good yes that was a perfect yes in your lives but you know it's like um you know i think that you have to like be clear though i'm sure at that time you guys are both putting yourself in a place where you were looking for love right you were you were in that space fell face first into it we were it was like one of those where we were just like we were both just having fun and then it was just like oh oh wait i like talking to you you like this fun yeah can you guys believe i'm talking to sierra right now aka cc well it turns out i coincidentally have another cc in my life cc as in sienna

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We're both moms of four.

How old are yours now?

Crazy.

I have all of our babies are, they're spread apart three years in time.

So that's very nice.

Yeah.

Amor is one, soon to be two in December.

Wynn just turned five.

CN is eight.

And then future is 11.

What's your age gap?

We have two years.

We have 17 months in between the first two and then just about two years for the other one.

So we have five soon to be six, four,

two,

and four months.

God bless you.

Thank you.

God bless you because that's like having twins at some point when you have that small gap like that.

Yes.

Right?

Yeah, it is very much so.

Oh my gosh.

Now, one of the things that I get asked as a mama for often is for like motherhood advice.

For some reason, people think that because I have four children, that I know what I'm doing.

And I have said countless times, I don't.

I am winging it as hard as I was winging it when I had our first.

Yeah.

So do people lean on you and sort of come to you seeking advice because you are a an experienced a more experienced mom yeah you know i do get questions questions sometimes.

And I think to your point, you know, listen, there's no perfect way to parent.

To me, the most perfect way is just like in all the imperfections.

Like that's in love, you know, as well.

But yeah, I definitely get asked,

you know, my thoughts on it.

And I'm honestly, like, as much for as long as I've been doing this mama thing, I'm still finding my way.

I'm like, what are we going to do today?

Like, and then plus my age gaps are so significant.

So then you have the eldest who wants to play a certain way.

And then the youngest, you know, wants to just be in Google Ganga land.

It's like, what the heck?

No, I have talked a lot about the reality of postpartum on the show, calling out stuff like bouncing back after pregnancy and things that I just

think are a little dated.

I recently saw the clip that you posted where you said, My four babies bless me with these stretch marks.

Why am I going to cover them up?

Yeah.

I cannot even begin to tell you how much I love that.

Have you always embraced sort of the changes of motherhood?

You know, I had to find my way in it, especially like the beginning with the stomach stretching.

Like that's something that's like, my gosh, like my stomach will never be the same.

Isn't that a moment?

That was

a moment for me where I was like, oh,

okay.

Yeah.

We're here now.

Yeah, we're here.

Oh, we're here.

And let's embrace it.

Yeah.

And I have diastas recti.

So, you know, that's where the ab muscle split.

For those that don't know, they're watching, the ab muscles split.

And there's a disconnection from like the muscle and the tissue and everything in your belly.

So like, if I lean forward, it's like everything's going forward with me, you know, it's like all that.

And then to your point with the stretch marks, it's funny because Years ago, I, you know, I always would get stretch marks, or not years ago, but in pretty much every pregnancy, I would get stretch marks.

And this last time I didn't do this one thing I tried, I used to get stretch mark removal.

Okay.

And so not all your stretch marks go away, but it did help me out a good bit with some spots.

But I'm like, you know what?

These are my beauty marks.

Like that's where my whole inspiration from beauty marks came from.

So yes, you know, I finally have turned the corner on embracing those imperfect marks on my body because they do tell a story.

They are part of like, you know, who I am.

Like, and I can't change those things.

Like, those things actually like have like depth to them, like, in reference to where the marks come from.

There is honestly something so beautiful in that progression.

Like, you're like, you sharing that you previously have tried to remove them or lessen them a little bit that

I think it's really important to recognize that, like, nobody expects you to push out a baby and have these physical changes and look at yourself in the mirror, especially postpartum bodies are so,

it's, to me, I find it jarring.

And I've done it four times every single time.

I'm like, getting dressed postpartum is an absolute nightmare.

It is because you're like, oh, the baby is out.

Like, I should be able to fit in my jeans again.

And you just, you don't.

And I truly think like it is not

when

we talk about like getting to a point where you can appreciate the way your body has changed, the stretch marks that you now have.

It is so important to recognize that it's not that you pushed the baby out and you looked at your body and you were like, you know what?

I still got it.

Because I don't think if you had that experience, amazing.

That was not mine.

It took me until probably after my third baby to be like, you know what?

My stomach is never going to look the same.

And that's okay.

Because

the tiny humans.

that I have created with my body,

you just have to sit and like have an amazing gratitude, right?

Like my gosh, 100% wouldn't have it any other way.

But it is a built-like, you might not have that the moment that you realize your body has changed,

but you can get there.

Now, speaking of our postpartum bodies as women, I read that you put a lot of thought into what your first drink would be when you were done breastfeeding.

Yes, I know.

And to that point, it led you to co-owning your own rum brand 10 to 1.

Yeah.

Tell me more about that.

Yeah, no.

So, back in the pandemic um

i it's funny because i just thinking about this whole my album process i've realized that i've now had two babies in the process of making this album i just thought about that but back in the pandemic it was crazy as you know especially with guys playing football like it was the schedule was all kind of weird like it was wonky just everywhere And I will say one of the greatest blessings was being able to have a healthy baby during that time.

And I was able to have more time than normal with my babies and my family.

And that's the part that I really, really appreciated the most.

But I also breastfed 10 months long enough.

And so it was time for your girl to celebrate that moment.

Yes.

Okay.

And I actually had my first drink post-pregnancy, sorry, post-pregnancy and breastfeeding.

And it was a mojito with 10-to-1 white rum in it.

And when I tell you, this mojito was hitting.

It was hitting.

Now, I

do not often drink because I swear that some, like I'm a Shirley Temple girl.

Okay, I love Shirley Temples.

And like, every time I go to the bar and I order a Shirley Temple, they're like a dirty Shirley.

I'm like, no, no, don't, don't put anything, like, don't ruin it with, but that.

Don't mess it up.

So classic.

So maybe a mojito is where I need to lean in here.

Mojito is fire.

Okay.

A ramarita.

Okay.

Thank me later.

Just call me.

Here's the deal.

I've tasted tequila maybe twice, and it was not for me.

It was not for me.

Okay, so this is a good idea.

So this could be it.

I could try it.

No, no additives also.

No additives in the rum as well.

It's so smooth.

I promise you, you're in love.

Yeah.

Okay.

I will give it a try.

I cannot thank you enough for coming.

I'm not going to lie today.

You are such an incredible example of a strong, powerful businesswoman, a mom.

Like you said, the octopus with the tentacles out every direction, juggling everything.

It is so incredible.

And like I said, such a fan of you for such a long time.

This is incredible.

Oh, thank you so much, Kylie.

I mean, this is really, this has been a treat for me too.

And, you know, from one football mom or, you know, wife or whatever you want to call it to another, very proud of you.

um and your journey as well in this space.

I think it's so great when us women are out here figuring it all out.

We don't have the perfect code or, you know, way to do things, but we make it happen.

And you're a solid and clear representation of that.

And, you know, Jason's got a real one in his house.

So

thank you so, so much for having me.

This is really fun.

And yeah, I look forward to just watching you keep doing your thing, keep shining.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.

You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Sierra on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

Her new album, CC, is officially out August 22nd.

I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode.

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