Kylie & Ms. Rachel on Surprising Celeb DMs, Spelling Out Swears & Teen Slang Pop Quiz | Ep. 30

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I'm not going to lie, before we started recording, I had both an everything bagel and a gooey chocolate chip cookie.

So I was really living life on the edge.

I did check for seeds in my teeth and chocolate on my face, though.

So hopefully I got all of it.

Let's get this podcast started.

Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original brought to you by Lululemon.

I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey.

I'm permanently late.

I famously do not lie, except to my children.

And I sent Queen Emma no less than seven photos of turtles when we went to the zoo the other day.

I didn't want her to miss out.

Look at how lovely these photos are.

Well, now that that's been addressed, coming up on today's episode, I'm about to start coaching high school field hockey again very soon.

Yes, that's right.

I haven't let it go and I won't.

I haven't had a fall without field hockey since seventh grade, either coaching or playing myself.

We have actually a segment today to catch us up on the latest Gen Z terms terms because I can't keep up with the slang that they use and I need to know what the hell my players are saying.

Also, a lot of you have tagged me in the announcement of Love is Blind casting in Philly.

And I've got a lot of thoughts and a few tips for anyone auditioning.

After that, I'm going to be joined by the Kids TV phenomenon in my house and likely all of yours.

She has 16 million YouTube subscribers, the most streamed kids series on Netflix, and a pair of overalls you'd recognize anywhere.

The one and only Miss Rachel.

Moving on, let's get into a brand new edition of, can I be honest?

My high school field hockey preseason is about to start very soon.

People are extremely surprised by the fact that I still coach high school field hockey, but I love it.

I love my athletes.

I love still getting to be around the sport of field hockey.

I love the fact that all of my girls who are seniors I have been with for all four years because I've been there that that long.

And

I

feel very honored and privileged to be able to spend time with them and help them understand why I love the sport the way I do and also teach them something, I hope.

I hope.

Now, I do like to take some time to prep before the season starts and I figured I'd start right now by catching up on the latest Gen Z and Gen Alpha slang.

I didn't even know we were.

Have we moved on from Gen Z?

We're on to Gen Alpha.

Kiss my ass.

Wait.

The children that are in high school were born

after I graduated high school.

Let's have a moment of silence for this realization, please.

That sucks.

Wow, this is not a moment I was prepared to handle this morning.

Okay.

Wow.

Woo!

Okay.

Now, I will put it out there that my players are typically very kind in that they do not throw too much slang at me because they know I have a very

limited capacity for this type of thing.

But we're going to try our best.

In past seasons, I've learned all types of new phrases.

Sus,

bet, riz, cap.

I'm still not sure about cap.

It's a brand new year with brand new slang.

The slang I've never heard.

So let's change that right now.

I have a stack of note cards right here

with official definitions from parents.com.

So it's, that means it's something that a millennial mom can hopefully follow.

I'll take a guess on what they mean and then I'll read you the actual definitions so that we can both learn together.

Cause I just,

just even

glancing at what's coming up, I am certain I have no freaking idea.

So number one is chat.

There's no way this means anything

more than

we're gonna sit down and have a chat.

We're gonna chit chat.

Oh my god, this is so bad.

What?

A term of address that refers to an audience or group of people.

The term chat is similar to bruh or dude.

No, that's not a thing.

Chat, what's up?

Or chat, is this real?

Oh, so you're text, you're addressing the whole group chat.

Okay,

okay, Okay.

I got this.

That's, that's dumb.

Just going to throw that one out there.

Sorry, that was mean, but I stand by it.

Number two, clock it.

Another way to say it is clock that T.

What?

Clock it is like,

I'm going to assume it has to be something related to like you're timing it, clock it.

Let's see.

Used to call out hidden truth or expose someone's real motive in a playful or knowing way.

It's a way of saying, I see what's really going on.

I can get down with that.

I like that.

I like to clock things.

So clock it.

That's nice.

I like that.

I'm going to keep that one.

Number three is aura farming.

What?

Maybe it's when you take from someone's positive energy and like turn it into your own positive energy.

I don't know.

That's wow.

Oh,

no, that's not what it is.

Used to describe someone who is trying to project a certain self-image to avoid being judged, similar to a try-hard.

Okay,

bro, is aura farming.

What the fuck is happening?

Number four is glazing.

I'm hoping this isn't something out of the.

oh God.

In my head, it just went to like

glazing has to be what happens after glazing.

Maybe it's

maybe it's wearing a lot of jewelry.

Maybe it's like we've all seen how to lose a guy in 10 days.

Maybe this is like a ice yourself, frost yourself situation.

Maybe it's glazing.

Maybe we're we've moved on from frosting.

Now we're glazing.

Is that what it is?

No, of course not.

Why would that be what it is?

Over-the-top flattery to the point of being kind of embarrassing.

It's when someone hypes up a person so much that it starts to feel performative or fake.

Use in a sentence, bro is glazing.

Okay.

I did not know what a single one of these things meant, but now I know.

So clock it.

That wasn't right either.

The article from parents.com also lists some terms to watch for.

Good God.

Oh,

my ball.

My ball, unk, and buns.

Okay, I can't.

I don't have any guesses on my.

Queen Emma's asking in the rundown if I have any guesses on my ball.

No, I do not have guesses on my ball.

Is buns really Gen Z slang?

No, buns is always if buns is exactly what i think it is like that's buns like that's ass cheeks like that's terrible that's what it means and if it's not that i don't want it okay there are some things that we should just let be and buns is one of them so if you're trying to make buns into your own thing gen z gen alpha you can kiss my buns because no Okay, that's it for can I be honest?

Let me know what I missed at NGL with Kylie.

Feel free to send in any other terms that maybe your kids are using that you would like to educate me on

because I do feel a little lost, but I think we can get through this together.

Next up, let's move on.

It's Doom Scroll the Week.

First up on Doom Scroll, I scrolled my way through my mentions to find that you all tagged me, a lot of you tagged me, in the announcement for Love is Blind because it's officially casting in Philadelphia.

They

are looking for a dumpster fire, and you you know what they're going to do?

Find one.

Okay.

At Alicia Maguire quoted Fox 29 Philly's announcement with:

I'm going to need Kylie and Jason to co-host this at Jason Kelsey, at NGL with Kylie.

First of all, shout out to Nick and Vanessa Lachey, who host the show.

We are not coming for your jobs.

We actually, I'm, I'm going to speak for both of us when I say we don't want it.

I don't watch this show.

Shocker.

But what I will say is, is there is a small chance that I watch the Philadelphia edition because there is something

about when a show

is related to or based in Philadelphia.

We can't get enough of it.

It's like the most self-centered, self-serving.

We're like, yeah, let's watch it and enjoy it and then feed off of the comments of people who are watching it and like, wow, this is, this is terrible or this is a dumpster fire or did you hear their accents?

That sounds, they don't even know how to say the word water.

It's fun.

It feeds us.

I'm not kidding.

I really think it like excites the masses in Philadelphia.

When Mayor of East Town came out, that was like.

That was incredible.

Some Philly dating red flags that we can put out there for contestants.

Queen Emma put a couple on the rundown.

We,

she absolutely nailed this one, okay?

Being from the Philadelphia area, but rooting for the Cowboys.

You're just trying to piss people off.

And it's working.

Fuck the Cowboys.

Calling pork roll Taylor Ham.

Run.

Do you want to know why you should run?

If they're calling pork roll Taylor Ham, they're trying to coax your ass across the bridge to Jersey.

Don't do it.

Run.

If someone doesn't care about the 2008 World series

no you're done

you

you're done we don't have anything else to talk about there um

philly area dating green flags um

if they grew up going to the shore specifically saying we go down the shore in the summer uh

saying words like hoagie

Maybe they frequent frequent a wawa,

maybe has a cat named Chase Utley.

That call is coming from inside the house for sure, because that was our cat's name.

That's it for Doom Scroll of the Week.

Miss Rachel is coming up soon.

Again, no business, none whatsoever.

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Whether you're a parent, grandparent, an aunt, an uncle, or simply just a person, honestly, you've heard of her wildly successful YouTube channel, Netflix Show, Hit Songs, and Kids' Toys.

And there's no mistaking that iconic voice, pink shirt, and overalls.

She's also a New York Times best-selling author, an educator, a fellow mom, and now she's officially not gonna lie, Rachel, aka Miss Rachel, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm a big fan.

Oh, thank you so much for being here.

I'm not going to lie, this episode has been a long time in the making.

We're huge fans of you in our house.

Big, big fans.

That's so sweet.

Now, the girls first started watching, obviously, on YouTube.

They were big music kids.

Like, they had moms singing songs, specifically Hop Little Bunnies is a big hit in our house.

I love Hop Little Bunnies so much.

It's so good.

and everyone lays down and they're sleeping, you know, the whole thing.

We do the whole thing.

I love, yeah, Susie, my new little baby, she's

almost six months, and we were hopping like bunnies together this morning.

And she doesn't even understand what a bunny is or sleeping, but she loves it.

Yes.

Because it's just a good time, and they know it.

I did tell the girls that I was meeting you today.

Well, I told our

third, Benny, that I was meeting you today.

And I asked if she wanted me to tell you anything.

And she said she wanted me to tell you that Ellie broke the cup.

So she's using this opportunity to rat out her circuit.

Yep.

It's okay to accidentally break things, right?

Yes.

Yes.

We love mistakes.

I'm still unsure what cup she was talking about, but she felt strongly about that's what you needed to know.

I appreciate that.

We are, of course, far from alone in our love of your show.

Miss Rachel is officially the number one kids' show on Netflix so far this year.

Congratulations.

Thank you so much.

How cool was that to see?

Everything surprises me.

I guess we're kind of in denial about that, but it's nice because we're like, wow, yeah, I appreciate it so much.

It makes me so happy, and I feel so grateful that so many families enjoy it and find those moments of joy singing together and bonding.

And I just feel like the luckiest person ever.

I have the best job in the world.

Now, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Robert De Niro is is saying Miss Rachel

and that you sent a video for his daughter to Drew Barrymore's show.

Oh, yeah.

We actually have the clip right here for our viewers, Queen Emma.

Hi, Gia.

It's Miss Rachel.

What's that?

It's a taxi.

What does a taxi driver say?

Are you talking to

who has been the person who is a fan of you that was the most surprising?

Because I feel like

Robert De Niro.

Yeah.

So I am elderly.

And so I don't

know.

I'm an elderly millennial or elder millennial.

Okay.

It's called.

Okay.

So I'm not amazing with Instagram.

So I didn't know about the requests and top requests.

So I ghosted some people for like months.

Anyway, so I'm not a like cool person who like knows a lot about celebrities.

Um,

so when I saw a

um bad girl re-re, I was like, wow, this person has so many followers.

And then I was like, this is such a cute little profile picture because it's a drawing.

No idea.

Asked some, but I asked people who were around.

I was like, do you know who this is?

And then, yeah, I realized it was Riotta.

Small flex, tiny little flex that that

did you like gasping I did I did I was like wow

and um

yeah that was crazy I'm trying to think of who else um I don't know if you can talk can you talk Rihanna oh you know um I did I did get to sing with John Legend that was so cool I was a fan of him way back in high school um I loved piano pop and I love all the pianos like Sarah Barelles and

throwback to like Billy Joel Stevie Wonder.

And so,

yeah, I was like, whoa, that's so cool.

And I knew an album that he was like, nobody knows that album, and it's not even available anymore.

And I was like, I can sing every song on that album.

I'm barely a fan, but I can sing you every song from an album that no longer is available.

That's awesome.

For anyone listening who isn't familiar with your background, you're very open to what led to your first YouTube channel.

And that was your son's speech delay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He had a severe speech delay.

And he didn't talk till he was about three.

Really?

Yeah, I think the first word was two years and nine months.

Okay.

Yeah.

So

he's so bright and

just the sweetest, most wonderful little guy.

And as a mom, when you see them struggle with something, I mean, I know, you know, like it just breaks your heart because you're like, oh my gosh, how do I, how do I fix this?

And I feel like a lot of moms will, you know, I would stay up all night and learn about speech.

I got a mouth puppet that I don't use on the show, but I like literally got a mouth puppet and would do like tongue-mouth, huge puppet things to him to try and help him.

I was telling your producers that, um,

when he was little, I used to put on like some paw patrol and then I would edit and interrupt it and be like, it's mommy.

And I'd do like a few speech things with him.

Yeah.

I'd be like, same me.

And then I'd be like, back to Paw Patrol.

Oh, like a little speech commercial.

His own thing.

yeah

um because i was telling them that he watched it and he didn't really get that like it wasn't like entertaining and cool i mean he didn't get that it was like me making him watch it and then once he could talk he was like no mommy show

oh yeah because he was like i think i can just hang out with you and like do things with you and like then watch Yeah, my shows.

Yes.

So use the TV for things that I don't get to see face to face.

Yeah.

Sure.

Like I mentioned before, the music from your show is a hit in our house, but you just mentioned how your husband, Aaron, is a Broadway composer.

Have you guys ever talked about doing a Miss Rachel Broadway musical?

We would love to do a live show.

That would be very cool.

And thank you for noticing the music.

I really appreciate that because

Aaron

He does a lot of like underscoring, which not everyone appreciates.

But if you don't have it, it's like, where's that

underscoring?

He's just a brilliant pianist.

And then we write a lot of songs together.

And then he writes songs and himself.

And then he has like live instruments play on the track sometimes, which

I really appreciate.

And he has Broadway friends he has on.

And yeah, we actually co-create the show completely together.

And I have to give him a shout out because people usually say just the music.

But

it's like, yeah, it's equal and I kind of get all the credit.

So I love you, Aaron.

Love you, babe.

Good job, Aaron.

Yeah.

Couldn't do it.

Keep going.

Wait, what's the go, Mr.

Aaron?

Yeah.

Stop, Mr.

Aaron.

Well, in addition to your music, I love how educational your show is, especially when it comes to language development.

And your voice and the way you speak is a huge part of that, right?

And I believe that I'm not sure that if it was you or someone else was explaining because someone had made a comment about your voice, like a parent.

And I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but I remember seeing someone sort of do the breakdown breakdown of like that sing song voice

is actually a tactic in sort of like speech pathology and trying to get kids to sort of sing it back to you almost.

What do you say to people who like comment on your voice in the show?

Because obviously it is not your everyday voice.

You know, so

I, well, in all cultures, naturally, people raise their voice talking to babies.

And now that I know that science, I always watch it and it's so interesting to watch like a guy be like hey how are you

like hi and I'm like wow you really like yes really cute

so something I do that I had heard mr.

Rogers does is I imagine one kid

often like a kid I work I worked with before or like just saw doing make a wish or just a kid that like you know, pulled my heartstrings and

fills my heart with joy.

And so I imagine them and then that voice just comes out yes um my voice has always been high like um since I am an elder millennial I remember in high school being like hello and people be like is your mommy there and I'd be like I'm 15

so I've always had a high voice yes um naturally a soprano but um yeah so it's it's interesting too like when you talk to a baby you elongate it like hello yes and it sings songy and that's kind of just like my personality too so it it works out that it works for the show really well and it's it's backed by science now when you first meet parents who have watched the show how often do you have to politely ask them to call you rachel and not

miss rachel um

my friends that i've known for 20 years will

a miss rachel will come out and i'm like You cannot call me Miss Rachel.

You knew me as Rachel before I was Miss Rachel.

Yeah.

I'm like, what are you doing?

So, no, right away, if people message me and they're like, hey, Miss Rachel, I'm like, oh, you can call me Rachel.

My name's actually Rachel.

So weird.

And when I taught, I was Miss Ocurso.

So,

I'm like, oh.

So it is very much tied to

the current phenomenon.

Yes.

I love that.

Now, Miss Rachel's also got a signature look.

Kids recognize your pink shirt, your overalls, and your headbands anywhere.

And one of my favorite TikToks of yours is explaining the origin story of the pink headband.

Queen Emma's gonna play it for us.

Yay!

Why did you decide to wear a headband for the Miss Rachel outfit?

As someone who has

flyaways myself,

I love that.

Has Jason ever just talked to you normally when your hair is

like Aaron has talked to me normally when there's like a huge thing and then those

and I'm like hey babe and he's like hey

and he doesn't say anything yes a number of times where I've ended up back in front of a mirror and been like

how did you keep a straight face how did you not say like it will be like

so and he doesn't it's screaming and it's nearly touching their nose and you're like you didn't want to tell me my flyaways were so out of control he doesn't care it's cute though that they're just like it's very sweet right

um now we've been talking about Miss Rachel and your on-screen persona.

I'd love to ask you more about yourself.

Great.

That's so kind.

There's something I've really wanted to ask when you are fully able to be Rachel.

You're at home with your friends.

Do you swear?

Oh, my goodness.

So.

I feel like you just answered my question.

I was just wondering, like, I was like, am I going to come on?

There's going to be a lot of swearing because I noticed it in the other episodes.

Yes.

But I was like, you totally can.

Yes.

But okay, so my new thing is spelling swears.

Oh, perfect.

I say holy S-H-I-T.

Love it.

And Thomas fell.

So he's like, why are you spelling shit?

So it's not useful, but I keep spelling it.

Yeah.

And it doesn't help him.

I mean,

it lands it a little lighter.

I feel like that's like as if when we were younger and I'd be like, H-E-double hockey stick because I wasn't allowed to say hell, you know?

Yeah.

I feel like it lands it a little softer.

I like that.

Yeah.

No, I like that.

Okay.

Yeah.

No, I do, especially like when I used to play Super Mario Bros.

That's when it would come out.

Okay.

Yeah.

Are you competitive?

No, but with Super Mario Brothers, it's just like you fall into that hole and you're just like.

Yeah.

I love that that.

I feel like swears don't sound right coming out of my voice, though.

That's part of it.

That's okay.

I feel like with small kids it lessens your ability to have the time to like it's you you decrease sometimes the availability of your swears like you're saying you spell them out every so often one will pop out and they really do not happen often which is hilarious considering how often i use them

but every so often one will happen and i have a moment of Yeah, I'm just not going to acknowledge that one because I do think it feeds it a little bit.

Like I think when you acknowledge...

Thomas is a detector.

Okay.

He roams away and he's like, did I hear shit?

What happened?

What'd you do?

What'd you mess up?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, ours, ours are funny because they will pick out words that are not typical swears in other houses.

So like, we're not allowed to say shut up in our house.

Even the suggestion of it makes me like itchy.

We don't say a few things.

Yeah.

Stupid.

Yeah, we don't say stupid either.

And once in a while, I'll be like, that's stupid.

And Thomas is like we don't say stupid so that's where they if anyone in the house says the word stupid someone in the house is going to be like did you just say yeah who said stupid and you're like wasn't me it was her like just

because that's the words they latch on to but they will not latch on to the grown-up words the same way anymore which i think i i don't know if it's a a brag or what, but they've been so desensitized by the usage of them in our house that they're just like, that's not exciting anymore.

Oh, that's a good tip.

Try it at home.

Do not try that at home.

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Mom, Dad, you should shop Amazon for back to school and save some money.

See, I'm currently obsessed with superheroes and need all the superhero stuff.

Superhero launch box, superhero backpack.

But next year, it'll be something else.

Maybe dinosaurs?

I don't know.

I'm not a fortune teller.

But I can tell you not to spend a fortune and shop low prices for school on Amazon.

Okay, good chat.

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Hope that helps.

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Well, I'd love to play a quick game if you're up for it.

I am.

We sometimes do a segment on here called Coach Me Up, where I have guests coach me up on something they're an expert on.

But this time I'm wondering if you, as Miss Rachel, can coach up regular adults who could use some Miss Rachel style pointers on basic social decency.

So I'll give you the scenario and you as Miss Rachel can tell us hypothetically, tell the hypothetical adult what they could maybe do differently.

Okay, great.

Okay, so the first one is

you're on a plane and the person sitting next to you is blasting music from their laptop with no headphones And people around you are pissed.

And the music isn't even good.

Oh, man.

I think Miss Rachel would

say,

is there any way possible you could use headphones?

That's such a gentle way.

Oh, I love that.

Okay.

Number two, you're out with your friend.

You're out with them and their new boyfriend.

They have a new boyfriend.

He won't stop staring at his phone.

He's not engaged in the conversation.

He's not asking any questions.

He's just doom scrolling.

First of all, I'm going to give you some advice.

Dump him.

What would Miss Rachel say?

Well, she'd probably ask him a question to try and get involved in the conversation.

Perfect.

And then she'd probably wait till after and be like, I noticed that

Bobby

was on his phone a lot.

And, you know, what do we think about that?

I don't know.

Yes, no, that's good.

I like it.

Okay,

this is the last one, and it's totally, definitely hypothetical.

Okay.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

You're out on your first date with a guy you met on Tinder.

And he drank too many beers.

Really weird.

And he fell asleep at the table.

And his friend had to fireman carry him home.

What would Miss Rachel say to him?

I would say,

I would say to you, you should marry him.

Great foreshadow.

Because I've seen your show.

But I wish I didn't know that story, but I do.

That does it for Coach Me Up.

Thank you for playing.

That was fun.

Now, something else I've been so excited to talk to you about is motherhood.

You're a mom of two now.

Congratulations on your little girl.

And on your new one.

Thank you.

Now, I've said this before on the show, but people will often say that

because I have four kids,

I know what I'm doing,

which

I do not.

Because you are Miss Rachel, do people assume that you have some achieved some level of like expert parent?

Yes.

And I like to be like, I'm just a regular mom.

Yes.

Yes.

And

something that I think about all the time is this quote, there's no way to be a perfect mom, but there's a million ways to be a good mom.

And so I go for the good mom.

That feels good.

Yeah.

It feels attainable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I don't need to be the best mom.

I need to be a loving mom.

Yes.

And I have a lot of unconditional love.

But I also have those boundaries

and rules.

But no, so I was staring at Susie.

And, you know, okay, she's like, she was around like three months and we're staring at each other.

And, you know, you do all the things they need.

And she's not sleeping.

And she's just like looking at me.

And I was like, this is my time to shine.

I miss Rachel.

It's time for a song.

And then I was just like, I couldn't think of any

and i'm like baby learning one baby learning two they're hours long

and i was just like i got nothing nothing i went blank yeah what you got

stage fright in front of your own

just them and then i did like the miss rachel live show perfect but yeah i went blank

Did you like have a good laugh about that?

No, I was like, I talked to myself.

I was like, you're Miss Rachel.

You're trying to give yourself a pep talk.

Yeah.

You've got this.

Yeah.

This is your thing.

You've made a million kids smile.

Yeah.

More than that.

No.

You can make your own baby smile.

Yeah.

And she sometimes is, she's a tough audience sometimes.

If she wakes up from a nap and you're like, open, shut them, she's like, mm-mm.

No.

No, I'd like to shut them again because it's time to go back to sleep.

Yeah.

Our most recent is also a tough audience.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's, she makes you work for a smile.

Yes.

Well, I'd love to circle back to a topic I've been excited to get your take on, which is screen time, which we touched on briefly, but I've heard you say the quote, all screen time is not created equal.

Can you explain that a little bit more?

Yes.

So I think that some screen time is faster paced.

And I like for little ones the slow pace.

I love the interaction.

So the pausing for a response, encouraging imaginative play,

what else?

I think what's great about PBS and

our show as well is there's a lot of research behind it.

So if you think about a show, you want to know like who's behind the show,

who's working on it,

and where are they getting their research.

So yeah, it's not all equal.

And yeah, I'm obsessed with like PBS.

So are we.

We're a big Sesame Street household.

We love Wildcats and Zabumafu.

As someone who loves PBS and works in the world of kids programming,

why do you think it's so important to make sure that everyone has access to these types of shows?

Well, like I said, they're backed by research and you can trust them.

You can put them on and do the dishes and you're not going to come running back hearing something.

And

yeah, they've been around so long.

So you just, they're trustworthy.

And they're also shows that we very much, I am a very much like screen time is great for dishes to do something that, yep, to do something that I don't necessarily want

three ducklings, right?

Three ducklings following me around the house to do these things.

It's easier to just like quick get it done.

I think it can be beneficial.

I think what's important for the really little ones is that you balance it with

what Harvard calls like serve and return interactions.

So just like we said with the babbling or like they're looking at a toy and you're like, wow, that is a red tractor.

You know, just like those nice interactions.

And then they say vroom, vroom, and you're like, where's the tractor going?

Like you're just having back and forth interactions.

because if those are missing you can't you can't get that same quality from TV yep so but um you know as someone who grew up with a single mom I know that

like this the recommendations can be really unrealistic and that there are shows that are beneficial it also I've found that the PBS shows like specifically wildcrafts like I was a sucker for Animal Planet when I was growing up and I loved watching Zabooma Fu and I feel like it's fun to sit down and watch it with them as well Yeah, and co-viewing is really beneficial.

Because we talk about it while it's happening.

When we watch your show, we sing the songs together.

It gives them a moment of like, did you see that?

And you get to sort of validate their excitement in what they're watching.

Yeah.

And you can extend it to like an art project or like you can pretend to be hermit crabs outside or find like a shell and it's a box.

It's so much fun.

Yeah.

Speaking of PBS, the headline of your new profile in the Washington Post is Miss Rachel grew up on Mr.

Rogers and now she's carrying on his legacy.

You've been compared to him for a while now.

How do you feel about that?

I can't accept it.

I mean, he's a saint to me.

And he's just, yeah, he's, I've admired him and he's been my hero for so long.

I read his, like in my 20s, I would just like read books about him.

I think like maybe seven years ago, I

read his whole whole biography and decided I was going to write a musical about him.

And it's just, it's just funny that I ended up going into kids' media because I didn't, even at like 30, I just, I didn't see that happening.

And it's so funny because I applied to be an intern on Sesame Street when I was in my 20s.

I was like, I want to work on Sesame Street.

So it's just funny that everyone was like, this is obvious, Rachel, because you like had a Sesame Street backpack as like a 25-year-old.

And like, why is this new to you?

You have like a Mr.

Rogers book like on your coffee table.

I do like the idea that you were more surprised than the people around you.

Yeah.

That it was so obvious that you're in the right field of work.

Yeah, no, totally.

That's so interesting.

Yeah.

That means you were really meant for it.

Thank you.

Like, like you, Mr.

Rogers also advocated for children as well as human rights and equality.

How has he been an inspiration for you in that capacity?

Yeah, so I've watched all his documentaries and I knew that his kids' show, I think, was the first or one of the first to have a lot of black characters on.

I heard recently that TV shows for kids should be a window and a mirror.

So a mirror, they can see themselves in a window.

They can see like outward impossibilities, what they can do, what they can be.

And

I think that must have been really important to him and it's really important to us.

And

so when we decided to have Rahoff on the show, who's from Gaza, I actually took a screenshot of his pool scene when he had,

at that time,

pools had been segregated.

So people even threw chemicals into pools that black people were swimming in

to try and get them out.

And he, that makes me emotional,

he decided to have this kiddie pool.

And oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cry.

He decided to have this kiddie pool and sit with the

Officer Clemens and invite him to put his feet in together.

And then he like shared his towel.

And actually, I saw that

some people who wanted things to say segregated, that that scene ended up being like a conversation in their home.

Like, wow, Mr.

Rogers was comfortable sharing his pool.

And

I thought

that I wanted people to see Rahaf and her joy and see her.

There's so much dehumanization that goes on with

kids.

And, you know, it happens with

kids from different parts of the world, kids who have disabilities.

And just to see

her joy and see her as somebody who loves Hop Little Bunnies.

And it was cool when I posted it that people.

It was sad and beautiful that people said comments like, oh, this made me realize that she's just like my child.

So hadn't seen her as

like their child until that moment, but

it's great that people can change in that way.

And

yeah, I just,

I think

I knew that that wasn't easy for him and that he got a lot of hate mail about that.

But it was the right thing to do.

And so

I would look at that screenshot when,

I had a lot of backlash about it.

And it was funny because I was really had a bad day about some backlash and was so down.

And Aaron brought in a present and

it was wrapped and everything.

And I was like, sometimes it's funny, people will like project or call me like a saint.

And it was funny.

Aaron and I were watching the news once and they were like, she really is a saint.

And he like did the slow look to me like, because he knows me when I'm like hangry.

I'm like, I can be a real baby.

He was like, oh,

he loves me and adores me, but it was just funny because he knows if I haven't eaten in the morning and I've had like two cups of coffee.

And he's like, have you had breakfast?

He tries to say it in like a nice way.

I was like, I think, do you know?

Gently, you seem hanging out.

Yeah, I do want toast.

So

he brought me this gift.

And

I was like, I don't want it unless it's a Mr.

Rogers autograph.

Like, that was so mean.

Like, he had a gift for me.

And then he's like, I think you should open it.

And

why did I say that?

That was so mean.

But it was, Mr.

Rogers had handwritten part of It's a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, the music.

You manifested it.

It was really sweet.

That's great.

And yeah, and he had, I kind of knew Aaron.

was on the lookout.

Sure.

I probably had like mentioned that that would be something I would really love.

You know how that is.

So

a gentle suggestion.

Yeah, yeah.

A few suggestions.

Yeah, a few times.

Yeah.

Like, yeah.

So I

opened it and I started bawling because I was just like, it was such a nice sign.

I feel like there's been a lot of signs that I'm doing the right thing.

And that's really cool.

And I know in my heart.

That's amazing.

Thank you.

The last thing is something that I like to ask all of my fellow mom guests.

How have your kids humbled you?

So I've worked with kids for a long time and they're so honest.

They're so honest.

They're so honest.

They're so beautiful.

Yeah.

They don't know yet about like not being so honest.

I had a talk with Thomas about this just last night.

So he was looking at me like I was so beautiful.

Yes.

And he was like, mommy, what are those lines on your forehead?

And

I didn't know I had any lines on my forehead because like we talked about prior to taping, I lose everything and I lose it over and over.

So I lose my glasses so much that I just don't wear them and I don't have good vision.

So everything looked really smooth to me.

It's like a nice blur.

Yeah.

And I was surprised.

I didn't know.

I was like, lines?

And then I had to do some inner work on that.

Because I like to do this thing where you flip things.

Sure.

So I was like, kind of, I was bummed about that.

And of course, I get the online comments like, time for Botox.

Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I

changed it in my mind from wrinkles to gratitude lines because I was like, I'm grateful.

Like not everyone gets to grow old.

And I'm so grateful for all that I've learned because in my 20s, I was a disaster.

I meet 20-year-olds that have it all together.

And I'm like, no.

Yeah.

I'm like, why?

It couldn't be me.

Yeah, I was just a hot mess.

And so I don't want to go back to that time when I didn't, I had a smooth face and I was a disaster.

No, these lines.

These lines come with wisdom.

Yeah.

So I'm grateful for them.

I cannot thank you enough for coming on, not going to lie.

Thank you so much.

We are so excited to have gotten the chance to talk to you.

I cannot wait to go home and tell my kids I met Miss Rachel.

Oh my gosh.

But more importantly, I'm so excited that I got the chance to sit down here with Rachel.

I'm so honored.

And can I just say thank you so much for all you do for the Eagles Autism Foundation.

And Mr.

Rogers said, anyone who does anything for a child is a hero to me.

And thank you for all you do for the children.

It means so much.

Happy to.

Thank you for everything that you do.

And

like I said, huge fans of you in our house.

And

I so appreciate that you are offering programming to kids that is both enriching and helpful and something that I think all parents can be proud to put on in their house.

That's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie.

You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Miss Rachel on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday.

Her new picture book, Miss Rachel and Bean and the Bedtime Routine is out this October.

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