Kylie & HAIM on Cheering For All The Kelces, Este-Jason Duel & Sisterhood Of The Stolen Jeans | Ep. 33

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Not gonna lie, Ellie calls ear wax ear whack.

That's W-H-A-C-K.

And

I'm never going to correct it.

Ever.

Let's get this podcast started.

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Shop back to school.

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I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey.

If a cup isn't dishwasher safe, get the fuck out of my house.

Apparently, my moon sign is Sagittarius.

What does that mean?

And I can rattle off animal facts off the top of my head.

We were just in a business meeting the other day for the podcast, and I had to explain to everyone the difference between an alligator and a crocodile.

And I'd do it again.

Coming up on today's episode, I'm going to get honest about a topic I get more intrigued by each time we add another muffin to our family.

It's birth order theory.

I really feel like Wyatt is

a firstborn through and through.

But we'll find out if that's the truth.

Plus, in Ask Me Some Things, I'm going to answer your most burning questions about important matters like pumpkin spice and Jason's beard.

After that, I'm going to be joined by the multi-platinum Grammy-nominated trio who are also honorary Philadelphians in my book, my friends Estee, Danielle, and Alana Heim.

But before we get to that, I'm going to return to my PA announcer roots with today's NGL announcements.

First NGL announcement next week, we're officially doing a back to school/slash NFL kickoff spectacular.

Woo!

And then I punched the mic.

It's gonna be my second.

My body doesn't even want to say it.

And it's gonna be my second ever solo episode.

Queen Emma did that.

This episode comes out the day of Eagles Cowboys kickoff.

So get your wooden spoons ready.

You can bet your bomb dollar.

I'm not going to be out here needing one because I'm going to be

dip, dodge, ducking all these jinxes.

It won't be me, guys.

It will not be me.

I'm going to knock on my head just to make sure that I cover that one.

Just to be clear, I can always also

still in the drawer.

Okay, moving on to some mentions from the real ones.

I got tagged at least a hundred times in the comments of Jason's new golf video, which had guest appearances from our tiny humans.

Most of you just wanted to remind me yet again that Ellie looks like her uncle.

At Kylie Kelsey, I'm so sorry, but Ellie does look just like Travis.

Someone else said even Ellie's expressions are just like Travis.

Someone else said Ellie fully stole Travis's entire face.

Someone else said, wow, exactly the same.

No more, no less.

And they put a screenshot of Ellie's face next to Travis's school photo.

Here's the deal.

The Kelseys,

they're a beautiful bunch.

Okay.

I'm not talking about the me, like my Kelseys.

I'm talking about the Kelseys I'm married into.

They're a beautiful bunch of human beings.

Okay.

We all have eyeballs.

I, thank you.

I don't know.

I just,

I just want, I feel like a lot of moms can relate to me when I say this.

I just want one child, one child that looks like me because

I don't know.

I grew grew them.

Like, you could, like, it could be like a slight dedication to, like, there's mom.

There she is.

Shout out to her.

You know, but on that same note,

some of you have started to change your tune on Wyatt.

So maybe I am getting one.

We have Wyatt is morphing into Kylie's twin.

Someone else said, Wyatt's looking more and more like Kylie.

They're all adorable.

I agree with you.

They are adorable, but they're mine.

So I'm biased.

The last time we talked about the girls'

lookalikes was in the first ever episode of NGL.

It's been nine months, and I think that Wyatt still looks exactly like Jason.

I think that Jason has ended up making a beautiful little girl,

but when they sit next to each other and they're both watching something or listening to someone talk and their faces are making the exact same expression directly next to each other, you can't deny it.

Also, her baby pictures look so much like Jason's baby pictures, it's actually mind-boggling.

And I don't think I'll ever get that image out of my head.

You know, like when you look at your five-year-old child and you still see them at like six months and their round little face and they're like all happy and everything,

she's really got to stop growing up.

This shit's fucked up.

I will say

I've gotten minimal but encouraging feedback that Finn may look like me.

So, jury's still out,

but

I'll take it.

Chat, it's not feeling more natural yet.

Chat, moving on.

The real ones sent in so many good questions for asking me some things.

I couldn't wait for the solo episode to answer them.

So I'll answer two right now.

Just two.

That's it.

Two.

First up.

It's just the perfect time of year to answer this one.

From Sam Wags88.

Are you a pumpkin pumpkin fan?

So, what's your favorite pumpkin-flavored food, drink, item for fall?

I can confirm I am a basic bitch.

I will say that.

I can confirm that, guys.

I wear athleisure almost every day of my life.

I don't find

cool, obscure things.

I am not a trendsetter, and I'm okay with that.

All of these things, I'm cool with.

But I don't lean into the pumpkin spice.

It's okay.

I am not the person that has a countdown in their phone until the day that it's released from coffee stores and is first in line to get themselves some pumpkin spice.

Because

first of all, butter pecan until I die.

Okay.

I don't, this isn't.

I literally Uber eats

this.

Butter pecan right there.

Okay.

I don't love that

you can't get it any other time of year.

That's weird.

Why can't we just like, if you like pumpkin spice, why can't you just have pumpkin spice all year loud, all year round?

I will tell you, I love a pumpkin cookie with some icing on it.

Queen Emma put in the rundown: when do you put up Halloween decorations?

My favorite part of this question is the fact that Queen Emma is assuming that I put up Halloween decorations.

We have

a couple things in the garage that we have put up, up, let's say every other year

for the last,

let's say, eight or nine years.

So

they come out sometimes, and I put them up,

let's say, a week before Halloween.

And a couple times I've left them up until, let's say, mid-November, maybe the end of November.

Oh, this is probably.

Let me circle back back because I will

go

in on some pumpkin pie.

I would like to put that out there.

I love a pumpkin pie, but I want an actual pumpkin pie.

I don't want pumpkin pie flavored shit.

I want pumpkin pie.

And specifically, I want it the morning after Thanksgiving with my coffee while everyone else is still sleeping.

Everybody knows morning pie, morning cake, that tastes the best.

Everybody knows that.

This next question I've been asked so many times, I'm just going to address it.

Why did Jason dye his beard and hair?

Just to be clear, my husband already answered this.

What I will say is, is that I think he looks fine as hell with his dyed hair, but I am very excited for the Silver Fox to return because I think he just looks like a distinguished fine-ass gentleman.

So there's that.

And that does it for Ask Me Some Things.

Stay tuned for next week.

I'm going to answer a lot more.

Oh, no.

Cha-cha-chat.

Next up, let's get to this week's edition of Can I Be Honest?

brought to you by Perplexity.

As you'll hear soon in my conversation with the Heim sisters, we talk a little bit about birth order theory.

So I figured I'd dive a little deeper to see how true it is for each of our tiny humans.

Now, for anyone unfamiliar with this topic, Queen Emma, can you please pull up Perplexity and ask it to explain birth order theory?

Okay, birth order theory proposes that the order in which a person is born within their family, such as being the oldest, middle, youngest, or an only child, shapes their personality behavior and even life outcomes due to differences in parenting and family dynamics.

First of all, that's true.

I know that we are parenting Benny differently than we parented Wyatt because Wyatt had my undivided attention.

Till she was 18 months old.

So I posted a while ago a TikTok of the girls decorating cookies.

And I asked if it was a good representation of birth order traits because Wyatt was going individual sprinkle onto her iced cookie.

And Ellie took both cups of sprinkles that were available to her for decorating, dumped them onto her cookie, patted them in, and then licked the extra sprinkles off of her hand.

And as a second child, yes.

So beyond how it applies to cookie decorating, let's see how else it fits my children.

Starting with Wyatt, core firstborn traits are listed as leadership and achievement.

We got responsibility, conscientiousness, rule-abiding, and conventional perfectionism.

I'd say all of those apply.

I would.

The rule-abiding and conventional really, the rule-abiding is funny to me because she herself wants to abide by the rules, but she will try to talk her sisters into doing shit that she would would like to do, which is funny to me.

I

kind of respect the hustle.

You want to see how it ends up?

So you talk your sister into it because you know it's a bad idea.

Now, middle children, aka Ellie, and against every fiber of her being, Benny, we've got adaptable and flexible, yes.

Independent, yes, diplomatic and peacemaking.

Oh my God, Ellie.

Social and loyal, yes, compromising and empathetic.

Yes.

That's outstanding.

Specifically, the independence, Ellie and Benny recently have been going and doing things by themselves.

Like I just asked Wyatt to close a door and Benny went and did it anyway because Wyatt was like, someone has to come with me.

Just last night, Wyatt woke up and was like, why do we have to sleep by ourselves?

And I was like, girl.

You literally share a room with your sister.

Ellie has also been trying to do the peacekeeping thing recently, where if Benny gets really, really upset because mom and dad have said no, which really ruins Benny's day, I will tell you, us saying no is just the fucking end, it's the end of the world.

But Ellie has been trying to make it better.

So she, for instance, Benny has been told, no, you may not have a sixth piece of chocolate today.

And Ellie will be like, I'll go get your passy, Benny.

And I'm like, no, no, Benny's not allowed to have her passy downstairs.

And Benny then gets even more pissed off because I've now said no to the sixth piece of chocolate and her passy.

But Ellie was really trying to make her better, which is so sweet.

And then we have the youngest child.

And since Finn is only five months, we're going to have to come back to this one

for her.

But I'm guessing Benny is going to fit this to a T.

So let's see what's going on here.

Here we go.

Accepting to according to birth order, the youngest child is charming and humorous.

Benny.

Holy shit, Benny.

Attention seeking.

Could go either way on Benny.

Creative and resilient.

Definitely resilient.

Less rule-oriented.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Wow.

It says under influencing factors, parental attitudes.

I literally had to have like a pep talk with myself and kind of Jason, but mostly with myself the other day of like, hey.

She's going to turn into a butt if you don't start cracking down.

And that's just because she's cute, and then you have this moment of you look at your five and your four-year-old, and you think to yourself, they're not always going to be that little.

And then you start to be like,

Maybe I can give her what she wants.

And then you end up with a kid who has a full fucking breakdown because you said no to the sixth piece of chocolate.

You get it?

Charming and humorous.

Benny is charming as can be.

When people come in our house, I literally say to them, watch out for that one because she will manipulate the absolute crap out of you.

She does it to Jason, she does it to my dad, she does it to literally anyone who will look in her direction.

If you are in our house for more than, let's say, 10 minutes, she is going to try and work you over for something.

And I guarantee you, you're not even going to know what happened.

And that,

that

is honestly impressive.

I've got to give her props.

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They're the multi-platinum Grammy nominated rock stars you know from hits like Relationships.

God, I love it so much.

Want You Back and The Wire.

Their iconic music videos and dance trends are some of the best things on the internet.

They just released their fourth album, I Quit, and are about to go on tour in a matter of days.

My favorite LA sisters who grew up going down the Jersey Shore.

Estee, Danielle, and Alanaheim.

Welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

This really does.

It feels like a party.

I love this.

Since we last talked, you guys have released a new album.

I quit.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Relationships was stuck in my head

for days.

Like, when I say days, I mean my kids were like,

we could listen to

this, like, we could listen to other songs.

I was like, no, no, when we get in the car, this is going on.

I just need to scratch the itch and then we can move on.

Right.

But every single time I started the car, I was like, whoop, here we go.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

The TikToks, the dance trends, all of it was just, it was hitting.

Now, these TikToks led me perfectly to a segment we like to do around here called Doom Scroll of the Week.

Now, Doom Scroll of the Week was was born because i love to just like turn my brain off and really lock in to this you know uh first up on doom scroll we got to talk about the viral dance trend you guys started for relationships queen emma roll the clip i don't even know where to start

first of all tell you shout out to nadia who created this

nadia created this she's on tick tock everybody follow her love her and give her kisses.

I've seen you guys interact with her stuff on TikTok.

She's the incredible

angel.

Love her more than anything.

But she created it.

And then the funniest thing about it is like people started doing it, which is so beautiful and amazing.

And then we were like, oh, we should do it.

But like, we love to dance.

I mean, I don't think it's like.

a secret how much we love to dance and we used to go to this well i i'm not as estie i think is the best dancer out of all three sisters esti would like choreograph dances for us when we were like children, and she would like make us do a lot of like

um there.

Essie made an amazing dance to the theme song of friends.

She made us perform it in front of my parents.

It was a

very,

but it was like we had costumes, we had like it was like Essie from soup to nuts, like a lot of this, a lot of this

was amazing, but we, so we, so we, we can move, but like learning the dance, it took us like a long time to get it down, but then we got it down.

But we are very grateful for, you know, having a fight.

I don't know that I've ever felt more compelled to consider

doing a TikTok dance myself because I am not a dancer.

I'm progressively not a dancer.

You feel like you are.

No, coordinated.

You're coordinated.

You can dance.

You're coordinated.

You can do it.

I don't think so.

I know you can do a body roll.

You can do a body roll.

I mean, I could try.

I know you can.

And sometimes that's all you need.

This is what led me to ending up in a multi-week need to scratch the itch of listening to relationships.

But also, I really thought about doing this TikTok dance.

And then I had a moment of like, you are too old to start TikTok dancing now.

No, we'll do it together.

When we're all together in the same maybe that, maybe that's what I need.

We'll do it too.

So, I'm gonna, I'm gonna study up now.

Yeah, yes, perfect.

Now, we'll do it together.

One of the things that led me, really, I think, to thinking about doing this is the fact that you guys end like this.

Yeah, because yeah,

who doesn't love to flip a good bird?

I know, do it all the time.

I know.

It's just it hits.

It hits.

It just, when you

it just hits so hard.

Cherry on top of the dance.

It's the cherry.

Isn't it?

I hit it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like a good flick, like a good, like, like

check in the box.

Yes.

Jack in the box.

Like jack in the box.

For emphasis.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Next up on Doom Scroll, you guys just put out your music video for all over me and address comments that called you out for casting attractive guys in your videos.

Queen Emma, the clip, please.

This feels like

a fuck around with the comment.

And then they found out, like, obviously, why would you cast someone who isn't good looking for a role of like a love interest?

I mean, it doesn't make any fucking sense when we have access to it.

Why not?

And every single person that we've had in our music videos has been the nicest person, like Drew Starkey, Logan Luhrmann, all the boys from

the all over me music video.

Like, they were all so nice.

And it was like, what we just are, we feel like we're in like middle school where like no one's going to show up to our birthdays still.

Like, that's like our biggest fear.

So, like, when we got the okay from like all these like extremely hot boys that probably would have never looked at us in high school, like, it was like the greatest.

And they were so nice.

And I was like, it was like inner child healing.

I was like, oh my God, wait.

No, we were convinced like on the days of shooting the videos that they weren't going to show up.

We're like,

we were like waiting in our cot, like in our like outfits, like with like snacks, like waiting for them to arrive.

Like, being like,

are you gonna be here?

Like, are we?

We would be asking everybody, like the director, like, do we have an ETA?

Like, are they coming?

Are they coming?

And then they're like, they're coming.

Like, it's fine.

That feels like a trauma response.

It is a full trauma response.

It is.

Last thing on Doom Scroll.

You guys mentioned your dance to the friends theme.

You also did a dance to the Law and Order theme song.

Queen Emma.

Este crushed.

Estee crushed.

Learned that dance in 0.2 seconds.

Crush.

You guys were perfectly in sync.

Like the hips going at the same, like you guys, that was unreal.

Now, are there any other

TV show theme songs that you guys would feel inclined to pop off on TikTok for?

Oh, my God.

I mean, we were, me, me, and Danielle and Essie loved Game of Thrones.

I feel like there's something in there.

Also, Mad Men.

The Mad Men is going to be good.

Something there.

If you guys feel so inclined,

the Bluey theme song is a banger.

Love.

Just a thought.

You could probably get some moms at home trying to recreate whatever dance you choreograph.

Okay.

I love.

I love it.

We don't have a lot of time on our hands, but when we do, it should be

filled with

exactly.

You get it.

So the one we've put out four albums, we've toured the world, and like we've done so many things.

The one thing that people talk about the most is us on Sesame Street.

It's true.

Like, when I tell you, I've never gotten so much love on anything.

I'm like, what?

Like, first of all, being on Sesame Street is like the biggest honor.

Like, that was like inner child healing when we were on, like, we met Big Bird.

I have met Big Bird mind-blowing.

Was it magical?

Like, the most magical Estee cried like 17 times.

14 times.

But you talk, like, we were talking to Big Bird.

We would call him Big Bird.

We were like, Big Bird, how are you?

Like, like, we were having conversations with Big Bird.

But I was a child.

Like, it was like.

We reverted back to being like three years old.

But it is the one thing.

This is how I interact with the Philly fanatic.

There you go.

It is my brain puts me back.

Like my kids, I like push them out of the way to get to him.

And I'm like, let me tell you about what's going on.

And then he does his little whistle and his kissy noise.

And I'm like, you get it.

I love you so much.

I missed you.

Years old again.

Yeah, that's it.

You do, you like can't help it.

No, I can't even imagine standing in front of Big Bird.

No, it was

wild.

It was wild.

Do you guys have an inn there now?

Like, are you allowed to vision me?

Can I come?

I think we can go.

I think we can go.

I think I know some people at Sesame street that i think will let us in perfect let's go actually on text with big birds he's now in a relationship i'm on text with big bird we love a tall man he's giant he's giant

he's anybody you got it he came to our show at the hall of the bowl oh that's lovely yeah i'd love to to be clear i want to visit leave the kids i want to go no you want you don't need to bring the kids no you can do it when they're older we're going to drink wine on Sesame Street.

Yeah, sit on the stoop and drink wine.

Sit on the stoop and drink wine at Sesame Street.

Like, I love this plan.

I'm gonna make

this plan so much.

Please.

Oh my gosh, this sounds so good.

That does it for Tomb Scroll of the Week.

Now, this is

another very important thing we're gonna move on to.

I'd love to talk to you guys more about the I Quit tour.

Yes, which you are, like I said, days away from leaving for.

I know.

More importantly, where's your first stop?

Philly!

Now, was that a strategic decision?

Did you just, yep, you were like, they'll bring it?

My mom, like for my mom, I mean, my mom, like, my mom is leaving for, like, she's going to spend three weeks in Philly, like waiting for us.

Like, she needs time.

with her gals.

She leaves tomorrow.

She leaves tomorrow just to like spend time with her dals, which I get.

Do you guys feel like honorary Philadelphians?

Because I do think that you should.

I do.

I love Philly.

I love that.

I love Philadelphia.

We have the best time when we're there.

We used to spend so much time there when we were kids.

Now we don't go enough.

So now when we go on tour, it's like we spend.

My mom is coming to the show on a party bus.

They've made merch.

We've made their own merch in neon shirts because they want her whole friend group.

They want us to see them where they are.

We made neon green shirts

in the crowd.

If you think I am not going to lock in and find them,

you can bet your bottom dollar.

I'm going to run up to some neon shirts and be like, Where the fuck is Donna?

Where's Donna?

Give me Donna.

I need Donna immediately.

Bring her to me.

Please.

Bring her.

Now,

I have to ask the question:

Are you guys Eagles fans?

I won't tell people.

We love all the Kelsey teams.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

We love everyone.

We share our love.

Let me be clear.

I cheer for the Chiefs.

I know.

Yes.

We've been there.

I've seen it.

We've seen it.

You get it.

Yes.

We love both.

We love both.

Perfect.

I can live with that.

I can live with that.

I always tell people, when people are fans of multiple teams, as long as you don't tell me that one of your teams is the Cowboys, we're good.

Yeah, no, I don't even

know her.

I don't know her.

You love Texas.

You love Texas.

Yeah, no, great.

Fine.

Dallas can kiss my ass.

Our lips are sealed.

She says what she said.

And we have something else in common because all four of us grew up going to

the Jersey Shore.

The Jersey Shore.

Jersey Shore.

When's the last time time you guys got back to the jersey shore oh so long which is so sad

it's been a minute when we were kids but our memories are fresh as the day is long

so maybe

like fudgie wudgies water ice water ice water ice water ice

i remember the the elephant Lucy.

Lucy.

Lucy the elephant.

Yep.

We had a house.

We, well, every, basically it was every summer we would just rent.

We wouldn't rent, but our grandpa would rent a house and we would come visit him at his house.

And we had, it was one year was like Ventner.

One year was Margate.

One year was Longport.

We kind of just like.

Your memory is amazing.

I'm like, I was like, I'm older than you.

So I mean, these are like very,

very fresh.

memories for me.

And they were like matched.

I learned how to like ride a bike in, well, I learned how to ride a bike in LA, but I could ride a bike by myself

in New Jersey.

It was like my parents, some reason were like, because I don't know, in LA, they were like, it's too dangerous, but when we were in New Jersey, they were like, she'll be fine.

Well, that's our oldest this year learned how to ride her bike on our driveway.

And then this was the first summer where she got to ride her bike at the shore.

And it's so common to ride bikes down there because people have their head on a swivel.

Everyone's walking.

Everyone's riding their bikes.

So it's just, it's a better place to, yeah.

So she finally got to ride her bike down the shore and she it's the best your girl was

it's the best i mean it was it you could see it all over her face yeah it's like a sense of freedom yes i i am autonomous oh yeah and she had a little basket so like she could like go places and get things

put them it was a big deal

of an across i'm living parallel lives i was gonna say now i it's very clear why that memory has ingrained itself in your head the way that it has because i just watched it become a a core memory for our oldest.

The oldest, always.

That's it.

That's it.

It's, I mean, guys, it's just the Jersey Shore is magical.

Everybody knows that.

Now, one more thing on your tour.

I just read a quote from you, Danielle, that you consider yourselves a live band first and foremost.

So what can Heim fans expect from the IQuit tour?

Is there anything you guys want to tease?

A lot of shredding.

Yeah.

Face melting.

Base melting.

Shredding.

Maybe some tapping.

Danielle might be doing tapping.

That might be Danielle's new.

I can kind of tap.

No, a lot of

shredding.

We're going to be.

Base melting, shredding.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Now,

I'd love to talk to you guys a little bit about your early career.

I was fascinated to learn this whole thing started as a family band.

Yes.

Rockenheim.

Rockenheim.

I have four daughters, as you guys know.

So there's six of us Kelseys.

Do you guys remember getting into the family band business?

It was like never,

it really happened naturally.

It was like our weird family version of like camping where like some people camped, some people started a family band.

Like in a weird way, I think it was my parents not wanting us to go out.

I

love the creativity.

Yeah.

My parents were just behind

just trying to get, keep you guys out of trouble.

Yeah, yeah.

Just just to fully not that we were even like troublesome kids i think my parents were like terrified of the outside world they were like this is scary

and the thing that was also like fun about it was we were i mean this was obviously before internet or we had internet not before internet internet's been around forever but when Before we got internet in our home, we would record the songs that were on the oldies radio because we only did covers of oldies.

And so we would like sit around as a family, we would record the songs off the radio, and then my mom would like pluck the chords out by ear, and then we would all write the lyrics together.

So, like, when we all got into our teen years, like now I look back at it and I'm like, oh my God, what a cherished time.

Like, it's such a beautiful thing that we did.

But there was like a funny,

like, right when we got into our teenage years, where we were like,

We want to make out with boys.

Being in a family band,

this is not conducive to that, so

like I kind of feel a little dorky, like being like, I'm gonna go play a street fair with my parents, and we're gonna go play these oldies.

Like, it got, but then we came back, we came back to be like, okay, but every teenage girl probably would have felt that way.

Now, we have a segment on here called Coach Me Up, where I ask my guests to give me advice on things that they're an expert on.

And I want to be abundantly clear: I am

not musically inclined.

That is my husband.

If our girls end up being talented in the music department, there will be zero credit going to mom, just to be abundantly clear.

But I'm guessing we'll get at least one

that is

that steers away from athletics and into the arts, if you will.

So is there an instrument that you'd recommend first?

What I have heard is piano.

I think drums.

Drummonds.

But it's like, make sure you get like a room away from where you need to do anything.

Electric drums with headphones.

Yeah.

Oh.

We love, we all started on drums first.

I love that.

Which was so fun because it also tires you out.

Again, everything was just to make my parents' life easier.

Life easier.

It was like, we're exhausted.

you guys need to get your energy out so drums is like a very physical

instrument so we would just be tired after playing it but should we have your parents on for uh parenting hacks 100 probably love it 100

they were they we love um but Yeah, drums was always super fun.

And then piano, the thing is, it's like I, we all naturally figured out what instrument we wanted to play.

Like the thing that was amazing about my parents is like, I started on piano and then I saw how much fun Danielle and Essie were having with playing like string instruments.

And so I remember being like, wait, I want to play guitar.

My parents were like, they just wanted creativity.

What type of music

should I play for them?

Because Jason and I

have very, Jason specifically has a very eclectic taste in music.

So he gives them a much broader spectrum of music.

And I feel like between the two of us, we cover a decent amount of time.

I think that's a good thing.

I think that's good.

I think broaden the horizons, everything.

Yes.

Everything.

Like, right?

Like, the more you're exposed.

Yes.

Yes.

To everything, classic, everything from classical, country,

classic rock, yacht rock,

pop, 90%.

And you just learned about that.

Hip-hop.

RB.

Wait, you just learned about Yacht Rock?

I shouldn't say it like that.

I just learned

about that.

Yes, yes, of that being a

kind of

name.

That was it.

Really, that that was a name.

It's a name.

We were like a huge yacht rock fan.

It turns out I like it too.

I just didn't know that's what we were calling it.

Yeah.

Again,

I am not the music one.

I am so simple when it comes to music.

I'm like, do I like it?

Yes.

Then I'm going to keep listening to it.

I don't, I'm so bad about like deep diving.

Like my husband will get to like the core of it.

He's like, I want to know why they wrote this, how they got there.

For almost everything he listens to.

And mine is like when something gets stuck or like if it comes up on my feed, I'll be like, ooh, I do want to know more about that.

And then I deep dive.

Right.

But my husband is like, no, no, no, you weren't listening.

I'm going to, I'm going to start it over.

Oh, is he like a lyrics guy?

He loves the lyrics.

He needs to play this game against Esti that's called beat the intro, where you can only have to guess the song before this, the lyrics come in.

Oh, and I feel like Esti's the reigning champion.

Esti can name a song in one second.

Like, it's crazy out.

And I feel like Jason can do the same.

Pretty good at it.

He would be able to do it for like just very out of the box.

Oh, let's play, Jason.

Let's go.

Perfect.

I love that I'm saying that.

I want you to a duel.

He does love competition, so he might be all over this.

So do I.

I only like competing in things that I know I'm good at, though.

And Essie's good at that.

Yeah, I'm not.

I don't want to like...

That's just rational thinking.

People are like, do you want to go play golf with me?

And I'm like, I don't want to golf.

No.

I don't want to golf.

No, but they're not going to be.

So I don't want to golf.

I don't want to like learn on the job.

I want to do things that I know I'm good at.

Okay.

Well,

I do have to get back to the music because I am curious about this.

You guys have collaborated and shared the stage with some all-time legends.

Is there one artist, one performance, or one moment that each of you have had on stage where you felt like, holy shit, is this actually happening right now?

Oh my God.

I mean, I have mine.

I have mine.

There's a few.

I'm going to say when we got to sing with Stevie Nicks, that was.

Yes.

Yes.

It was made.

And she gave us her shawls.

Yes.

She gave us her shawls.

When we got to perform with the shawls.

That was pretty incredible.

It was a big one.

That was a big one.

That is so awesome.

And that's for all three of you?

You all say that.

That was pretty crazy.

Because my, I mean, it was just like one of those, we, we grew up.

I mean, mean, when you were saying, like, what should we play for our daughters?

Like, Fleawood Mac and Stevie's music was like,

like, always on when we were growing up.

Like, Fleawood Mac was a huge band in our family.

And then to like make the connection that, like,

Stevie, our queen savior, even knew who we were.

Like, and also when we met her, she was playing, she had a boom box.

Like, she literally had a boom box.

And she walked into the room playing one of our songs.

And it was like one of those moments where entrance into like child mode of being like, Oh, singing like Silver Spring, and like

just being like, Wait, this person that I've idolized my whole life now knows who I am.

It was like a very

crazy scenario, it's just crazy.

It's just a crazy thing, like a full circle, like you've grown up

listening to this person to Fleetwood Mac and then just getting to experience also she like commands a room oh my gosh insane it is it's captivating in a way that like she walks in you're just like hanging on her every word

oh yeah um now I'd love to ask you guys some more about sisterhood because I have a sister and I'm also raising four of them

What would you guys say you argue about the most?

Clothing.

Clothing.

Isn't that always it?

I know.

Stealing.

That's really

clothing.

Stealing things.

Stealing things.

Who's the biggest culprit?

I already knew that.

I knew it the minute I asked that question.

I already knew.

It's always the youngest.

I'm stealth, and also I pick things strategically where it takes them months to figure it out.

So I can, and then like one day, like I'll get a text being like, does anyone know where this is?

And then, and then I have to think about how am I going to get it back into the house without them knowing.

So then it's like, it's like a game for me.

But I'm, I'm a, I'm a borrower.

I, I, I steal.

I would say that was the biggest argument between my sister and I, especially growing up.

Because when I was a freshman in high school and she was a senior, I still remember the day she walked up to me in the cafeteria and she said, take it off.

And I said, excuse me?

And she said, take it off right now.

And that's my shirt.

Take it off.

And I was like, we are in.

What are you supposed to do?

What are you supposed to put on?

That's what I said.

I said, we are in the cafeteria.

What do you mean?

And she was like, the minute we walk through that door, when you get home, take my shirt off.

I was like, that sounds better than in the cafeteria.

I'll take it.

It was always, and the best part was, is like, we would do it to each other.

Yeah.

Like, it was always like,

but I definitely stole more of her shit and was more inclined to stain it, which was really, I get it.

Hindsight's 2020, guys.

You have to be careful.

No, you do.

There were, there were, unfortunately, Danielle had, like, I don't even know if you even know this, Danielle, but Danielle had these cheap Monday jeans, cheap Monday that we got

like super, super, super discounted, like, because the cheap Monday is the skinniest of skinny jeans and I wore them and I got like some sort of like oil mixture with mustard like it was like a stain that was like a fucking stain like I think probably there was like a beat like beat something that would not come out and I like when it happened I was like oh we're good I'm just gonna wash them and it'll be fine.

And it didn't come.

I threw them away.

I fully just threw them away.

And I was like, I'm hooked.

I threw them away.

And the truth comes out.

See, she never knew.

I'm strategic.

That's a big yikes.

That's a big,

I

hid them for a while, but then, like, there were times where it was close calls where, like, I knew where they were.

And, like, she was looking around at that area.

And then at some point, I was like, I have to throw these away because if she finds them and knows that it's definitely my fault, I threw them away.

Sorry.

But this was also a very long time ago.

Sorry, I didn't died.

I threw them away.

Wow.

I think you owe her a pair of jeans.

Yeah.

You owe you a pair of jeans.

Monday, cheap Monday jeans.

Yep.

Now,

I would say the girls right now are not in the phase, obviously, of stealing clothes, but they are very much like the toy situation.

So we're currently handling like

full WWE SmackDowns in the living room because they took took the necklace or you took my dress-up shoe.

And how do you handle it?

What do you do?

It depends.

Okay.

It depends who started it

because certain kids will stand up for themselves and other ones will not.

From the second that I was like, I had my own thoughts, like, and I could communicate, Estee had us trained.

We would never, we never tattletailed because Estie knew like, if you tattletale, like, do you want the consequences?

Like, you're going to have to compare.

Essie was full older sister, like, kept us on lockdown.

Like, couldn't, she ruled us.

We were her, we were her.

I like that.

I like that.

I, um, when we registered Wyatt, our oldest, for preschool, I wrote in her description of her personality, strong leadership qualities.

AKA, she bossy.

Yeah, she bossy.

And like, I can only hope that she leads the pack for sure in like a strong, confident way that I truly believe she can.

Yes.

It's very indicative of an older sibling.

There's like a whole thing on birth order.

Like she's going to be your overall.

She is a firstborn daughter.

So Estie always had the front seat on lock.

Like if we were just going

with one parent and, you know, Estie automatically front seat.

every time could there was fair shotgun there was no shotgun in this family

it was, I'm sorry.

If we could roll out a red carpet, we would have.

Now, the last question

is something that I ask a lot of our guests sort of advice that they've gotten in their life.

So I will ask you guys, what sisterhood advice would you give me to make sure my girls grow up with?

a great bond like the three of you have.

Your sisters will be there for you till the day that you die.

Like you will have friends that come and go.

You will have, you know, boyfriends that come and go.

You will have all like people always are, it's, it's, it's a revolving door of people that will be in your life, but your sisters will always be there for you.

So you have to keep them close.

And I think that has really bonded us through our whole lives of like, I can say first and foremost, in a crisis, My sisters have always been there for me.

And there has been many a crisis where I'm like, you need to pick me up.

And it's like, no questions asked because, like, we all know that we would do it for each other.

So, like, we've been extremely bonded in the sense that, like, no matter what happens on this earth, I have my siblings forever because they'll always be in your life.

You can't get rid of them.

They're your blood.

I'm instilling that immediately.

Yes.

Although I have already told them, like, these, like, they've tried to tell occasionally when they're pissed off, like, no, you're not going to be my sister anymore.

I was like, oh, that's not how sisterhood works.

So it's going to be super fun when they get into the like pre-teen teen when they're all in that like weird awkward stage that's like where we really because like when we were babies like obviously we would fight with each other and like that like mantra didn't really kick in until Estee got her license and then it was like oh older sister has a car now we got to be like we really got to bond together because we got a ride now like we have a ride we have a sister that's going to drive us around and it was there's there's a deeper appreciation yes yes

She's our means of transportation.

We need to get out of here.

She's getting us the fuck out of this house, guys.

We're getting out.

We're getting out of this house.

All I was.

That's literally all.

I was Uber before Uber.

It sounds like you were the fearless leader.

She was.

Exactly.

I just wanted to get out of the valley.

That was all it was.

I just wanted to get out of the valley and like go see shows.

I don't know.

Deanna Lana wanted to do the same thing.

So I was like, just get in the car.

Let's go.

Get in the car

lovely it was very

lovely i hope our girls do that um now thank you guys so much again for coming on and once again heim's i quit tour starts this fall tickets are on sale now

you there

you're the best

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