Ep 240: Killer Mike

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Welcome to the Off-Menu podcast, taking the onion of humor, mixing it with the batter of friendship and the spices of conversation and deep frying it in the oil of

the

World Wide Web.

James,

onion bargee.

An onion bargee of a podcast.

Yeah.

That is a gamble.

My name is James A.

Castle.

Bargecast.

Together we own a dream restaurant and every single week we invite in a guest.

We ask them their favourite ever start and main course dessert, side dish and drink.

And this week, our guest is

killer Mike from Run the Jewels and a wonderful solo artist one of the greatest rappers oh yeah he's probably my favorite probably my favorite james yeah i mean we're beyond excited for this yes it's a bit ridiculous you know obviously we're currently recording it in the podcast studio waiting for killer mike to arrive and we didn't think uh we'd ever say that when we started this podcast no we didn't think that um also nerves

just bit nervous because he's we really like killer mike and we don't want to seem like idiots in front of killer mike yeah which is

a tricky one because our stock in trade is being idiots.

Yes.

So

that's going to be quite hard.

He's a clever guy.

He's a clever guy.

But that would be difficult.

And it would also be very awkward if we had to kick Killer Mike out of the dream restaurant because there's a secret ingredient, an ingredient which we have deemed to be unacceptable.

But those are the rules of the podcast.

I'd rather kick myself out of the dream restaurant.

I'd rather kick you out of the dream restaurant too.

I'm happy to fall on that sword.

But the secret ingredient, James, this is one that you've come up with, actually, because I just went to the toilet and I I came back and you said you thought of it.

Yep, this week, the secret ingredient is a cheesy rat.

A cheesy rat.

Now, explain this a little bit for everyone.

Ron the Jewels get their name from a lyric from another rap song by LL Cool J, Cheesy Rat Blues.

Yes.

So it's associated with Killer Mike.

Yeah.

But most likely won't come up.

No.

So we won't kick him out of the restaurant, which is like, you know, there are a few...

you know, food references in Killer Mike songs and song titles, but stuff like, you know, Southern Fried.

Yeah.

i don't want to go oh yeah we'll choose southern fried chicken because he's rapping about things that he likes rapping about things that he likes and like you know i mean i think southern fried is mainly about being from the south yeah i was gonna say and also

these rappers sometimes they use double meanings which is not our stocking trade no we're very single meaning guys yeah yeah we're very just we say what we mean will you be telling killer mike about your album No, no, no, no, no.

Don't worry, man.

Too intimidated.

Don't worry, man.

I'll bring it up for you.

I'll say, have you heard of Temp's Killer Mike?

Killer Michael.

One of the hottest hip-hop outfits on the scene?

Yes, but then Killer Michael says, nope.

Yeah.

And I'll say, they're one of the hottest hip-hop outfits on the scene.

And if I do that, will you tell Killer Mike about my book, Glutton?

Yeah, okay.

I'll say, have you heard about Glutton, The Multi-Course Life of a Very Greedy Boy, Killer Mike?

This is so weird.

It's one of the hottest books on the scene.

Yeah, one of the hottest ones.

And we're lucky if we even get through.

It's also for the listener.

We've told our friend and and comedian Nish Kumar to meet us.

We haven't told him who we're interviewing.

Nish is a massive Run the Jewels fan.

And we've just been like, come and meet us at the studio at five.

And he was like, I've got an appointment at five.

Very important appointment.

Yeah.

We're like, move it.

It's like,

tell me what it is.

Tell me what is going on at five.

We were like, no.

You ought to come.

It's a surprise.

You come and we don't tell you or nothing.

Yeah.

So he's done it.

He's moved his very important appointment.

Yeah.

He's covered at five.

so that's going to be that's going to be mad when that happens.

Well, also, um, Killer Mike's got a busy day, yeah, um, so he's going to be late, so Nish is going to be here for hours, yeah.

So, Killer Mike's getting here at like half four, yeah, so we're supposed to be finishing at five, yeah.

So, now Nish is going to get here, and he'll be waiting for quite a while, yeah.

And we've told all the people who work here at Plosive, yeah, not to tell Nish who we're interviewing, so he will be.

But he will know because he'll walk through here and he'll look, he'll look, and then we'll hear him go,

and Killer Mike will be like, who's that?

Yeah, that's Nish killer.

Or what's going to happen is Killer Mike's day is going to get later and later and he does have a gig tonight.

Yes.

So

he might just cancel and then Nish will just be here.

Oh, that would be funny.

Yeah, that would be funny too.

We will interview Nish.

If Nish turns up and Killer Mike doesn't, we'll interview Nish.

Yeah.

We'll get him to imagine the menu of Killer Mike.

But also, I can't stress this enough.

If Killer Mike doesn't show up and can't make it, you won't be hearing this now.

You won't hear this.

No, this is for us.

no uh rtj motherfuckers rtj motherfuckers this is the off menu menu of killer mike killer mike

welcome michael to the dream restaurants yeah thanks ed

welcome killer mike to the dream restaurant i've been expecting you for some time man thank you guys i appreciate you for waiting me out man i'm glad to be here we're very very excited to have you here they tricked me i'm a i'm a um if you guys may not know who nights i'm a chubby guy that was like mike it involves food i'm like hell yeah and then we were coming they said well they don't actually serve food you just talk about it yeah i was like fair enough that's the hustle yeah i mean a lot of people leave this podcast very hungry yeah and uh frustrated so sorry about that on show days i don't eat too much before i took my but i did take my whole production team and my choir and dj and everybody i took them to breakfast this morning i grew up eating an English style breakfast and didn't know what I was I just taught my grandpa liked beans in the morning but I'm assuming whoever owned this family over 100 years ago were probably people from this side because we ate fucking pork and beans, blood pudding or blood pie, you know, two

different meats.

And I didn't know until my first trip here years ago that that was just actually a thing here.

And then I felt normal again because kids thought I was weird eating beans and for breakfast in the morning when I was a child.

That must have been mad.

So it's coming here for the first time and seeing that breakfast again and putting two and two together.

Yep.

I literally jumped off the plane and saw it every time the airport was like, what the fuck?

And then by the time I got to the the airport, I mean, by the time I got to the hotel, I was like, oh, I'm eating this.

Yeah.

And it was as good.

It was as good as my grandmother's.

Every hotel here as well, you're going to get that.

You're going to get that for breakfast.

And so that's what my wife and I eight beans this morning and, you know, nice.

And bacon and sausage.

And that's, it's good.

It's, but I realized that it probably worked great for them back in the days because they actually went and did work after they ate it.

We just went back to sleep.

There's so much British food as well that is like clearly designed for people who are going to go and do manual labor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can tell working-class folks, you know what I mean?

They're going to work it off during the day.

We're just sitting around watching fucking reality TV now.

Going sitting there, listening to podcasts,

smoking weed and shit.

You got a whole choir to feed as well.

That's a lot of people.

Yeah, the Midnight Revival, man.

I got a five-person choir on there.

Shout out to Jory, Jordan,

Adonica, Troy, and Alicia.

And my DJ, of course, track starter DJ.

Thanks for them.

And then I just got a great production team, too.

And Connor, you know, my man Pinner.

I got my camera guy here, Mike, and my man Baron, my assistant Rhonda, and my A ⁇ R cousin, like you're just cuz, I didn't make any money out here.

I just took a big loss to come here and promote.

And I don't have any regrets.

I really love coming over here for the enthusiasm of the crowds and doing cool stuff like this.

All we've got is the great Benito.

That's Benito.

You got a name that says, like, I'm going to have sex with you.

Like, you know, there's no way woman or man could refuse Benito.

What's your name?

Benito.

Yeah.

Well, you're a man of mystery.

Yeah, he is.

Yeah.

Like, Benito, that's like a rapper would choose your name as their name.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I'm Benito.

You me for Nito.

You know, I'm not Caucasian.

My name is Negro.

You know what I'm saying?

Don't say that, Benito.

I wouldn't mind.

I wouldn't let anybody jump you, Benito.

He's with me.

He'd be like a mob move.

He's one of my guys.

So how's the response to the album been in the UK then and the live shows?

Man, the live shows sold out in a day.

Amazing.

And I was leaving to start doing interviews today, and this Peck will be well-dressed man.

I'm in the financial district, great haircuts.

I know this motherfucker's rich.

He runs up to me and says, Are you a big Mike?

And I'm like,

I'm like, I'm killing my.

He says, man, that album is mad, man.

You got to take a picture with me.

I'm like, fucking A.

And we take a picture.

So

I was pleasantly surprised.

You know what I mean?

Especially since the night before security didn't know who the fuck I was and tried to put me out of the lobby.

Oh, good fun.

I didn't know you could do an English accent.

And I'm really glad.

I was fantastic.

hearing you do that.

The South, and what's crazy is, so, you know, originally, you know, America, at some point, they get over there, whoever their first Americans were, and they were like.

You know what?

Fuck that.

We ain't got to send tax money back.

We could just stay.

And those cities were, of course, like Boston, Philadelphia, New York, you know,

and they are, they are, they would tell us in the South, you guys don't use proper English shit like that.

But when I start coming over here, I started realizing, no, we do.

You know, we don't say watch your step.

We say mind your step.

Yeah.

You know, we don't, we don't say either.

We say neither of you, you know, know, the stuff like that.

So, what I realized is a lot of the colloquial terms that I grew up thinking was not good English is actually proper English.

So, I grew up saying that.

Yeah, I grew up going back.

You know, I grew up going home like southerners, we know what we know what we're talking about.

Yeah, you New Yorkers, you don't know what the hell you're doing.

So,

I feel a weird kinship to the UK.

And, and again, I just, the people here are always kind and nice.

And whether we're doing Kingston or whether we've done Birmingham, what's called Birmingham, you know, in America, just it's incredibly similar at different points.

So I'm always comfortable here.

Now, we always ask at the top of the podcast, if someone is a foodie.

You've already told us before the podcast that you're focused on.

Well, I'm fat.

I think that explains it to me.

I've lost some weight, though.

I'm 47 pounds now trying to lose some more.

So I'm still eating food, just eating a little differently, you know?

Yeah.

What's that change been then?

Just, you know, going, honestly, man, just more toward, I've always been a little chubby kid, but...

But I've always moved around a lot, but just honestly, more like my grandpa, my grand, I realized my grandparents gave me all the answers you know my grandpa had to lose weight in 87 had a mild heart attack had to lose weight starts telling my grandmother feed me out of a saucer instead of a plate so you know when they say portion control and stuff like that no one had to tell him to do portion control he'd just say instead of doing a plate yeah he'd just eat out of a saucer and the next thing you know he plays down and we ate a lot of game meat so we ate deer you know we we ate wild hog we did a lot of lake fishing so we ate a lot of lake fish and um my grandma was big on she preserved her own vegetables and stuff like that so our cupboard was full of jars and stuff from vegetables.

She had thirst.

So I just started just doing back to shit that they did.

You know, less breads and sugars and stuff.

And just, you know, drink ice water.

If you, you know, if you do drink something that's sweet, just drink one of it, drink it at the end, you know, versus, versus that.

So just very simple stuff like that and just moving around more.

Like I say, my grandfather leave the English style breakfast, but he'd go work 12 hours.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

I'd do it, smoke 12 joints.

So I'm learning, you know, eat off the saucer, only smoke one joint, take a 10-minute walk to it.

So you cut cut down on it on everything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It must be nice doing stuff that, like, you know, your grandparents did as well to make you feel more connected to them as well.

It does.

They raised me and my sisters.

So my middle sister, who's the wilder one, who liked clubs and shit like that, she now gardens, helps feed six or seven families from a garden.

So she was, I was like, shit, I wasn't paying attention to grandma like this, but she paid attention.

So she gardens, she knows how to can her own food and stuff.

My younger sister's in a counsel, so she doesn't have to do shit.

She's rich.

You know what I'm saying?

But I, yeah, and I, and I, you know, I haven't been in a while, but fishing is something I still enjoy because you just get to talk shit, smoke a joint, you know, until the gang board comes by.

You got to hide your weed.

Like, why isn't you can't smoke weed on a lake?

You know what I mean?

Like, how are you policing me on a fucking lake?

I'm just trying to catch a bass.

You just sat there with a rock.

Like, it feels like that feels like the perfect time.

It is.

Yeah.

And then the gang warden comes along.

I smell marijuana.

Like, how the fuck do you know what marijuana smells like?

You know,

well, we always start the dream meal with still or sparkling water, Mike.

I'm a still water guy.

I like ice water.

So I like, that's just fun.

That's the only funky thing about Europe for me.

You guys are not as ice-heavy, but I'm a big fan of ice water and just lemons in my ice water.

Sparkling water, if I'm on a date with my wife and I want to feel, because she drinks, I'm not as much of a drinker.

I have like, you know, maybe a whiskey three, four times a year, but you know, I like still water and just a lot of ice in it.

And with her, if I want to look fancy, I'll get a sparkling water.

You know, are we talking crushed ice, big cubes of ice?

I like any ice.

In my whiskey, I like when they give you the one big cube.

Yeah, because it never melts.

But the crushed ice melts quick.

I want to know what's the difference.

I got an ice conspiracy.

I think rich people have better ice.

Yeah.

You know, when you go to those whiskey bars and shit, their ice never melts.

When you go to TGI Friday, that ice is gone

before it even hits the cup good.

But those, those posh bars, like they, they have ice shipped in, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And they get huge blocks of shit.

And they chop the blocks off.

And they're making a whole thing of it.

It's amazing i love watching those videos of them shaping the ice yeah me too it's pretty credible yeah it's pretty cool yeah

i definitely feel one of those big but you can't have a big those big whiskey cubes if i saw that in any other drink i wouldn't be able to take it seriously

someone gave me like a coke and it's got that in it are you kidding me i can't

cokes i i've broken an addiction to i literally just loved coca-cola and i'm from atlanta yeah home of coca-cola so i haven't had a coke since when since december 31st last year wow yeah i haven't had a coke was it so it was a new year's resolution was it well i just i just was like man you gotta you gotta break the coke you know you gotta break the coke addiction so not even resolutions just like let me see how long i can go i did i did cheat once i had a float so i do like vanilla ice cream so i did i did do that well that's that that's difficult to resist yeah so the fact that you do not have together yeah that's real also then it's a it's a dessert right yeah i did it as a dessert i did that's the equivalent of like one big ice cube yeah it's a scoop of ice cream that's as close as you'll get

that's it that's fine i don't think that even counts as cheating on.

Yeah, I did that.

I felt my stomach hadn't had a Coke or ice cream in a minute, so I spent the rest of the day in the bathroom.

Worth it.

Yeah, I was literally just looking like this, like, damn, it was worth it, though.

Smoking a joint on the toilet in a hotel, hoping I don't get charged, brother.

The same guy from the lake.

Yeah, hey, I go to the front.

I know Benito.

You want problems with me and Benito?

I once

didn't have a Coke for five years.

And then I started drinking Diet Coke.

And now Diet Coke tastes exactly like Coke.

I won't do Coke, Diet Coke, or Coke Zero.

Coke Zero, I will say, got the taste of Coke better.

But when it's like, it's like, okay, Coke is sugar, shroud toast is not.

But then

you'll be on the internet and they'll say, Diet Coke, even worse than Coke, it makes your balls fall off.

And I'm just like, what?

Like, why does diet soda kill us quicker than regular soda?

People get weird about artificial sweeteners, right?

Yeah, they do.

I've never heard the theory that it makes your balls fall off.

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, basically that's what this one said.

And I was just like, well, I want my balls, so I'll probably just drink more water, eat watermelon.

You think your balls fall off, and then rich people use them as ice cubes.

Yeah, that's usually how I would imagine.

I would imagine.

Evil bastards.

Pot-dobs or bread.

Pot-dobs or bread, killer, Mike.

Pop and observe or bread.

None of that for me to start because...

My wife's a bread eater to start.

I like to start with a meat.

So

there's a Florida hole-in-the-wall style bar when you land in Atlanta.

It's called Spondivits.

It's built like a, there's this, there's this strip right by the airport called Virginia Avenue.

And if you want great Louisiana style food, there's a place called Louisiana Bistro that's right in front of a dive hotel.

But the food outside of Louisiana is a great Creo and French-based food and it's a great place to go, but it's in front of a Motel 6.

There's a Spondivits, which is a Florida dive bar style, terribly overpriced on some items, but they have a Cajun shrimp appetizer that's amazing.

So I like, I like meat in the beginning.

So the Cajun shrimp is what I, and I get them done extra, a little crispy.

I get those.

Are these big shrimps?

No, not the big ones, not the big ones.

The big shrimps I get to feeling weird about after so long.

Yeah.

I'm like, this shit's as big as my fucking thumb.

You know what I'm saying?

So

it's not too small, but it's, you know,

it's a good go between between the small and the big.

Are you suspicious of the big shrimps, son?

I don't know if I'm suspicious, just they're so fucking big.

Like, you're like, how long has this shrimp been here?

What foul shit is this shrimp done?

Because they always give you, you know what I mean?

Shrimps and obstructs, the cockroaches of the sea.

That's what my cinematographer guy always says to me.

I'm like, shut up.

You grew up eating a wild hog.

You know, I like the idea.

So, yeah, but I just think they're so goddamn big.

And they've been around, like, lobsters are like, they've been around for ages.

Yeah, lobsters used to be served to prisons.

They thought it was, you know, just, it's like chitlins, right?

I'm not a big chitlin eater, but I'm from the South.

So chitlins are a thing.

Chitlins are essentially the intestines of a hog that are cut out, cleaned, and then boiled.

And my grandmother would boil them and then fry them.

My mom liked them fried.

They would do that.

So it was something that people looked at as poor people's food for a long time.

And then somebody in the South who was rich realized, oh man, black people are eating this and poor people are eating this, poor white folks in the Appalachian.

So we should probably

overprice these and sell them during the holidays.

So between Thanksgiving and Christmas, people eat hog intestines and their chitlins.

You know, I don't eat them so much.

I ate them when I was a young boy, but shrimp and lobster are the same way.

People I hear used to didn't, you know, didn't care much for them.

And then they realized those prisoners look really happy.

Maybe we should serve this lobster and charge people 100 bucks for them, you know?

It's good to learn what chitlins are because like I've heard I've heard them said in like TV shows and I've had no idea what they are because we don't have them in this country.

Yeah, it's the intestines and the cool the cool shit about it is my grandpa, right?

He liked chitlins.

He didn't always like when family came to visit because chitlins were a little expensive.

So whoever cooked them best, everyone would bring their buckets to my grandmother was a great cook of chitlins.

So they'd bring her and then she'd have to clean them and she'd cook them and then you'd come pick yours up.

But there were some you know some holidays my grandfather was just like he wasn't into a bunch of people coming but too many people would come and want chitlins and he'd tell me

put a piece of corn in the pot and i'm like what the fuck are you doing he said just take a piece of corn put in the pot and that make it look like the chitlins didn't really get cleaned well

and that way the chitlins were him and my mom's the rest of the night knowing and my grandmother would get a bad reputation she didn't clean well she found out man she was mad as a motherfucker my grandfather was happy though he ate his chitlins of course so it's like sabotage he was sabotaging his own

hey man he was making sure no one else ate her chitlins i get like that about my wife's food though my wife made an amazing lasagna before we left and she was like you want if you don't come home and eat it and leave the studio now i'm going to give it to somebody and i was like no the you aren't you know i was like that that lasagna will be there when i get there ma'am

within the first two weeks i asked her to marry me and she was like get the out of here you're a rapper and then so after about i think four or five years yeah we got really high in vegas and really drunk.

And

I played my love tour and we went and got married in a fucking drive-through marriage thing with our cab driver was our witness.

And then we didn't tell anybody we were married for nine years.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

And so we've been married 17 years now.

That's nice.

For nine years, no one knew.

And then we finally had to tell her family because her family is from Hilton Head Island and they're very traditional.

black, you know, just tightly knit black family, similar to mine.

And they were just like, you're you going to marry our niece or are you just going to keep playing with her?

And we had to say, we're we're already married

okay

were they okay with that or were they okay with us being married or no no they were not okay with me just on their niece no

for a decade of just on her niece nother her aunt now my and i call her my aunt now my aunt penny was definitely not she's just you know we were trying to talk about you know hey we want to build on some land here we'd like to put a house here and they were like nah you're just on our niece what

what are you gonna do to take it seriously and i was like well we're already married but were they i mean were they okay about the fact you got married and then not told them for nothing yeah they were fine they were fine with that you know no one really likes going to weddings yeah the food is usually shitty you know what i'm saying like i have two best friends one since kindergarten one since first grade and um so and we're all so it's a trifecta friendship me robert hicks he used to play for the buffalo bills um and our man darius um darius guineard so we've been friends literally since elementary school and they both got married neither one of them know let me be the best man not even that I wanted to be, but I'm sitting there.

I'm the man next to the man.

So I'm the man next to the man.

And both times they're like, hey and when you do your wedding rehearsals the minister will always say also say what they say the wedding if there's anyone who has any objections if you don't want to you know and i'm standing there like hey if you don't want to do this so bonito you're my man Benito, if you don't want to do this, you know you don't have to do this.

The bride is literally right where we're going to be.

If you don't want to do this, you know we could fucking walk.

We don't have to be here.

There's a strip club that's open, the great chicken wings at the blue flame.

And the fucking wives look at me like, you fat motherfucker.

You know what I'm saying?

So

what are we going to do?

And the food is always whack as fuck.

You know what I'm saying?

They order from something.

Oh, we're gonna have grenadine baked cornbread.

Like, get the fuck out of here.

Just give us cornbread without sugar in it.

Give us some fucking oxtails, the greens his moms make.

They always try to get exotic.

It always ends up just being chicken,

cold shrimp, or salmon.

Or now, everybody's vegan.

There's fucking fried cauliflower.

Bitch, get the fuck out of here.

Let's be real.

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Are we going straight to main course or do you have a dream starter dish after that appetizer?

So

I like home cooking.

I'm big on like my wife's cooking, my sister's cooking, stuff like that.

So, you know, if I was going to say the starters, I'm just doing a start on the restaurant style.

I do the Cajun-style shrimp.

I like meat.

I like steakhouses.

I like oxtails.

You know what I mean?

I like stuff that.

And then just give me something.

Give me a protein and give me something green.

My grandmother's family is from Alabama.

So I like a starchy cornbread.

I I don't like, so half my family, my dad's side is from Georgia.

My mom's side is from Alabama.

Alabama tends to cook a starchier type.

So their cornbread doesn't have sugar in it.

It's absent sugar.

Their pancakes don't have sugar in it.

It's a starchier and just butter.

So I like a starchier that.

And what I like doing is, so

my grandma would cook collards.

And it's interesting.

I saw this African woman talking about it.

She was like, you should be eating food with your hands.

There should be a connectivity between your hands, your food, and your brain.

You know, eating with knife and fork, sometimes all it's a proper thing to do publicly.

The first time I went to kindergarten, I think they served at some point collard greens and cornbread because I went to all black public schools, all black neighborhoods.

So the women that were cooking were black.

And I got the collards on one side, the cornbread on the other.

I did what I did at home.

I put my cornbread in my collards and mashed that shit together and was eating it with my hands.

And the teacher said, baby, I eat like that at home, but that's not how we eat in public, babe.

And I looked at, like, the fuck you talking about?

And that's how I learned you use a knife and fork in public But I like my collard greens So if I was at a restaurant for starters I'd do I'd do collards and cornbread Yeah, you know because the collards are cooked There's a turkey neck or there either there's a neck bone or something cooked in it So you get the meat flavor you get some strips of meat But with a good starchy cornbread you get to put it together and that sets you up sets you up pretty good I've never really known what collard greens because I've

I've had them but I didn't know like what made them collard greens and like I didn't know that there was like the turkey

yeah

well they started doing it with turkey because other you know they deemed other meats it's not as good so you know there was a pivot toward health and people started doing but now the old stuff you you just you throw what you have it essentially peasant food or poor people's food is not different if you go around the world poor people eat beans they eat rice and they eat some type of protein usually you know i say poor i don't mean like distraught and without just working class folks folks that are going to have to work a half a day they're going to need something nutrient dense to support them so when you look at collard greens turnip greens and cabbage oftentimes that's a part of the meal that's the green thing on the meal So, turnips tend to be a little more tart than collards.

Collards are a little sweeter.

The meats that are in them will give it whatever flavor.

So, whether it's smoked turkey, whether it's neck bone, stuff like that.

And then, to me, with a good starchy cornbread and that sweet greens, it's just perfect to start with.

Is that all part of the main course?

Could be, could be starting, you know.

I like that coming as a little starter.

Yeah,

that's good.

Yep, I like that.

Um, who does it?

I think, I think, Candy Burr's restaurant, um, old lady gang.

I think they do that as a starter.

There's a place called Mary Max when you come to Atlanta too.

It

was forever owned by one family.

A young black guy who went to Morehouse, went to the same college as me.

He just acquired the restaurant.

But what I love about it is they do a cornbread that's a starch cornbread, and it also has bacon bits in it.

So you have these pork rinds that are in it, and they have a very good collard green.

So Mary Max is a place that I like to go if I'm not eating my own family food at home.

But that's their starter.

That's one of the starters you get from them.

Wow.

And whereabouts is that?

Mary Max is on Ponce pasta leon right or pasta leon if you're in if you're in europe and obviously this is your this is your dream meal we're creating so if you don't want to eat with a knife and fork during this no i'm eating my hands yeah i'm going to eat my hands i don't mind

main course main course man i like a steak I like the porterhouse.

I like the ribeyes, like the bone-in ribeyes.

The steak I like, there's a place called Bones in Atlanta, and there's a place called Chops Lobster Bar in Atlanta.

And then it's like a Roof Chris is like a national chain in the United States, but they always got a good, good steak, too.

But you can find a Roof Chris anywhere.

But Bones and Chops are Atlanta-specific.

I like the ribeyes there.

I like the bone-in ribeyes.

I like to do either medium or medium well, the thin line of pink, or

serve it so hot that if I reheat it later, I order medium.

So if I reheat later, it doesn't fully cook.

I don't like a well-done steak.

I don't think that's a proper way to eat steak.

And I do a blackening seasoning with sometimes extra blackening because it gives it that pop.

Meat is, even gay meat, people a lot of times meat has a sweetness.

When you stop drinking Cokes and doing shit like that, you'll even taste whatever grass this animal was fed.

So I'm really into it.

I grew up eating, you know, deer meat, wild hog meat, stuff like that.

So I love a good steak.

And depending on where I'm from, I was in a steakhouse here.

Actually, I'm going to go to tomorrow.

And they have a, they have steaks that are, that are raised here, and they have some that are directly out of Nebraska.

And she was telling me that

the grassier here it's smokier it's a little different so i'm going to order two steaks for the table and we're going to have a comparison but but i'm a steak guy i like steaks great i love that comparison thing as well that's the sort of thing i do if i go to a restaurant yeah you just gonna get both and we're gonna we're gonna absolutely check out the difference absolutely absolutely it's like i try to convince my wife about other girls she's she's not as she's not as open to the idea as i am so the the the places that you just mentioned that in atlanta yeah how long have they been in atlanta for is that

a long time Chops is newer, but still been for.

We're a member of the private club where you can, you join and you go through the doors behind the kitchen, and there's a speakeasy.

And that's really cool because you don't have to be bothered with the whole restaurant.

It's just, it's really dimly lit.

It's like, it's like watching a Yakazamob movie almost.

You know what I'm saying?

There's pictures of Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis and stuff like that.

And the one bones, former Atlanta mayor Andrew Young, who's also a former ambassador to the United States, he was a lieutenant with Dr.

King and helped with civil rights and just helped my city be a great city.

He took me to bones first.

You know, he showed me the difference between regular fork, salad fork, that type of stuff.

I'm a little kid.

Their place is great because they're a steakhouse, but they don't take themselves so serious.

You can still wear sneakers in there.

You know what I'm saying?

So they were, you know, they were very kid, they were very, not kid-friendly.

They were before it was cool to walk around in sneakers and, you know, just a regular t-shirt, no one was really, they weren't really tripping.

So

some of the the steakhouses in the state

yeah like i remember going to one and this is when i learned just great service people you just can't they're irreplaceable my wife and i are getting ready to open a restaurant to reopen a 50 year old restaurant that me and ti bought together called bank hit seafood but i went to this steakhouse and and the steakhouse required you have a jacket to come in and i was a big kid you know what i mean so i didn't i didn't have a jacket i didn't know you were supposed to have a jacket and the guy says we're just going to walk you in with your jacket and we'll put it on the back of your on the back of your chair that way i'll just tell people he don't want to get anything on his jacket and i just i was just you know as i'm this i'm this little black kid i'm a little intimidated by the environment you know he's a big burly white guy he was nice as anybody's uncle has ever been to him but he walked me through it and showed me just how to do loopholes and i just i like steakhouse service and i think that's a part of the reason i like steakhouses they you still feel very masculine you know your your machismo is validated in the steakhouse

i'd like to know how you got to be part of this little secret room at Chops.

How did that come about?

So, man, it's a guy named Don Perry, who's Don is like a,

he's a guy in the music industry who's mentored just like dozens of guys.

He likes to meet there.

So when I meet him, I have dinner with them there.

But he told us that, hey, you know, there's this club.

And if you, if you want to join, you let me know.

I'll get you recommended and we'll get you on there.

And we had heard about it, maybe being a thing, but he's the guy that he pushed a button.

And my wife and I joined.

And now we are, she goes more than me.

My wife eats out more than I do.

You know what I mean?

But again, I love her cooking.

So I don't give a fuck what she eats.

I want to eat at home, you know.

And so we joined, and it's been pretty cool.

I think we'll probably be lifetime members.

Is LP part of the little Earth Secret Club?

Not at Chops.

I think LP's like, what is it, Soho House or something?

I think he's a Soho House guy.

Yeah, the steak's not as good at Soho House.

I mean, the environment is cool at Soho House.

The food is cool, but it's not the same as the.

There's no open fire and the big steaks and stuff.

New York Prime, too, is a place that's in Atlanta, but they they got a really good steak and really good service too nice what i like i know when i'm in a good steakhouse when i look at the pictures or or the writings on the wall so it's like you know on you go to new york prime that says um any complaints take to luke cabrazi you know because luke cabrazi sleeps with the fishes you know what i mean yeah i go if you go and uh once you go to chops in their their private room and pictures of like i say sinatra and sam you know so so you know you know americans love criminals god bless our soul you give us a good mafia member man and we're gonna eat there so you you know,

I enjoy steakhouses for that reason, too.

There's always this element of, you know, anything can happen.

I'm in a saying from the Godfather.

And the sides as well.

Sides and the steakhouse.

Yes.

All of those.

And they're big.

And they're, you know, they're, they're, you know, when I do a steakhouse, that's be the only meal I'm eating today.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Are you having your dream side dishes from the steakhouse as well?

Yeah, I like the garlic mashed potatoes.

I tend not to like macaroni and cheese from any restaurant, but

I prefer my wife.

If I was doing macaroni and cheese, I'd have my wife make the mac and cheese.

Asparagus is something I caught on in the last few years and I really like.

Asparagus is a vegetable that I can get.

You smell it when you pee after you're done.

You're ready to.

But that lets you know that water's getting through your body quick.

So, yeah, but I don't have to go too crazy.

Just give me...

a good steak and potato.

The baked potatoes are great at steakhouses.

When it goes big, hearty baked potatoes, you get the sour creams.

Not so much big on the chives and stuff, but just give me butter, potato, and sour cream.

I love a good baked potato with my steak.

There's what I like about Roof Chris is, being from the South, we're into yams, you know, with sugar or without.

Sweet potatoes are a staple in the south.

My grandmother made them.

My aunts still make them.

And so Roof Chris

has a great, it's like a sweet potato souffle.

So it's sweet potato.

There's these pecan choppings on it, pecan choppings, and like this sugar that sprinkle my wife will take that and add a little more butter and sugar is um as she tries to fatten me up some more and so i um i like that i like i like my steak with a sweet potato too or a white potato but yeah i'm a steak guy and um what else salads i like i like a mix i don't like regular lettuce i like mixed greens i like spinach i like other ones so i'm big on my salad and i don't like a lot of dressing on my salad usually i'll get a salad and i'll just add some type of fruit whether it's the clementine oranges or apples or grapes or something and i let that kind of serve as my dressing i don't even do barzemic vinegar and stuff

the fruit juice kind of pops the flavor sometimes it'll smother the taste when you put like too too much dairy or creamy or anything on it and if i do get or if i'm sharing a salad with her i might dip a little bit but i'm not big on salad dressing i just like my salads with some fruit and all on top i think especially if you're if you're at a steakhouse right and you're you're having like the steak is like rich and fatty and meaty and everything's all the sides have got like butter and stuff yeah you need something to cut through absolutely yeah and we've spoke about uh yams a few times on the podcast because are you talking about cocaine or are you talking about?

I'm sorry, just where I'm from.

It's yams for getting meaning.

Does that mean?

Well, yeah, when you talk about yams, you're talking about kilo and cocaine.

So

I suddenly just understood a lot more songs.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm saying you thought Jeezy was talking about vegetables all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, literally,

what's the yams?

I understand it now.

Yeah.

Okay, so, but, like, yeah, we got.

Yams also means ass too.

Does it?

Yeah, yeah.

So when the girl said, man, she got them yams.

I don't know whether I'm coming or going.

This is ridiculous.

In King Kunter by Kendrick,

what's he talking about?

The Yams in that song?

I don't know the lyric.

I'm just

a little stone, so I'm blanking a little bit.

Yeah, he says, Wait, what's the Yams?

They're talking about the Yams and Richard Pryor in the same lyric as well.

That was cocaine if he's talking about Richard Pryor.

Shouts out to Richard.

Shout out to Mr.

Pryor.

Yeah, when you got the Yams, What's the Yams?

The Yam brought it out of Richard Pryor.

Yeah, yams are cocaine now.

Come on, you can work that out from context.

I can now.

I'm going to take advantage of this education while I can.

We've talked about just the sweet potatoes on the podcast and how, as English people, when we first saw it with marshmallows, it blew our mind.

Oh, yeah, I've never seen the marshmallows.

Couldn't comprehend it.

I understand it, though.

I never know.

I like,

you know what I like for breakfast?

I like cheese eggs, I like grits, and I like a crisp fried fish that's a that's fish and grits or fish and rice you know my mom would do my grandma would do fish and cheese grits you so you get eggs my grandmother made an egg it's interesting my friend who's co-producers for run the jewels little shalamar his dad made eggs in a similar way but it's when you turn it on low heat you crack the eggs and you put in and you let the eggs yolk sit there and you let the white start to firm up first and you just leave it my wife made me some of these actually before we left too and you let them and then you scramble so the eggs are this beautiful orangey yolk with the white, and you do cheese, and she'll even throw cream cheese in it sometimes.

You do that versus just mixing it all together.

My other grandmother would add milk, and so it just becomes this base yellow.

You know what I mean?

So I like that, and I like the grits, and I like my grits with cheese.

And then you just get a crisp-fried fish, or you do rice instead of the grits.

That's always a good breakfast to get you going.

You're probably not going to eat anything the rest of the day because I want to be so heavy.

But that's so.

If I was doing breakfast, I'd do that.

What fish are you going for in that?

Man,

whatever you catch, bass, crappy, catfish, whatever you catch at the lake that day you know what i'm saying so i'm a catfish fan a lot of people aren't but i like catfish because it's firm it's firm like a beef yeah yeah i like it like that bass is always clean always taste clean so you know if you give me give me a bass for breakfast a lot of people wait to get sea bass or bass at night but i like bass in the morning for breakfast have you ever beat in with a catfish trying to catch a catfish with your hands no i haven't done that i have i've i've let me tell you catfish are strong as fuck yeah they're hard as hell to clean and and and i loved catching them but they're such a a big fish.

I've seen those people, they call it noodling, where they bend down and they put their guns at that Native American.

You've done it?

I had to do it for a TV show.

Oh, and they are, motherfuckers.

They are strong.

Yes, sir.

They're strong as shit, right?

I ended up with it.

I mean, it was like, it was massive.

It was like that.

And it ended up with its mouth around here.

So my arm was just like fully.

Did you have hand through gill pulling it out?

I just try and get it up and then eventually got it around the mouth and got it out of the water.

Yeah, they're a catfish.

Even if you're catching a catfish, just, you know, with the fish, one of the smaller smaller ones, they're just strong.

They feel like a whole muscle.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

They're strong.

That's crazy.

I've always wanted to meet someone who did that.

There you go.

Yeah.

I mean, you're a badass guy.

I don't think Ed has ever been happier that this podcast gets filmed because that was probably the best moment of his life just then when you called him a bad motherfucker.

You shook hands with him and you've said you've always wanted to meet someone who's done that.

Yeah, I've done that because it looks so badass, man.

It looks bad.

You thought it was a dying tradition because when we hear about it in the States, it's something that, you know, indigenous people used to do.

and the next thing you know man some white guy says hold my beer next thing you know they're in the fucking leg up to their neck reaching in a goddamn cat cave and pulling it out i think you're amazing clink you're awesome um earlier you said like uh what your meals are on this tour with the choir and everyone that you've got does that differ how does that differ from a run the jewels tour if you're going and you're going out for food on that with uh um yeah um l likes asian food So, you know, there's a lot of, and here in Trackstar, I just have a theory.

White people in Asian food is a quirky thing to me like you guys you know in search of spice you know

you know you know what i mean so yeah so you know there's a there's a i like thai food um there was a man shout out to gary who is a gary's an engineer at at shangri-lai at um i think it's called shangri-lai rick rubens place up in malibu i was like man it man i got to expand my taste buds gary what are you eating and gary was eating a vegan dish but it i thought there were meatballs and this rice and it's like this wonderful peanut sauce over it.

No meat in it.

Me and Gary sat around and ate that shit like my grandpa had just slaughtered a deer and dressed it.

And then we were eating meat.

It was amazing.

So Gary got me on the Indian food more, but sometimes it's so spicy.

I'm just not, I'm not a fan of spicy food.

But when they were out with L, you know, more experimental, more Asian-based stuff and shit is cool.

But I, you know, I'm a back to the basics guy.

Get me at a good barbecue place.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I like Austin for that reason.

I like Dallas, Texas for that reason.

You know, I'm totally into Brazilian restaurants where, you know, you just get fucking so much meat coming around.

You love that.

I mean, to say, yeah, I'm a big fan of that.

I'm a big fan of that.

Ed, you're going to catch Micah catchfish?

You know, catfish?

Yeah,

I'm going to go to the bathroom.

We're going to eat the fuck out of here.

Yeah, yeah.

I'd have to

fly over to the side.

Why don't you just come and we'll just figure out fishing?

Yeah.

I'm not going to stick my arm in the water, but we'll.

Yeah.

I do that.

I've never really done proper fishing before.

I've just so we'll do it.

We'll get it done.

No bullshit.

You can be smoking weed on the boat.

Yeah.

On edge in the water.

The gang warden comes.

I'm not talking to him.

Air's going to do all the talking.

I can do all the talking.

I say, excuse me, Mr.

Warden.

That's not what you smell.

That's the local vegetation.

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Your dream drink, Mike.

Well, I don't drink alcohol a lot, but Johnny Walker Blue is the whiskey that I was a Scottish I prefer, but it's in the lane of whiskey.

There's also, this is off-market, you guys can't get it.

In the south, there's a long history of just brewing your own what they call corn whiskey or

illegal liquor.

And I found some great, great liquor out of the Carolinas.

It's a moonshine, but it's a peach-based moonshine.

So you're drinking it, and it tastes like

something you'd order at a resort, but there's a guy with a long beard and overalls that makes it.

And you pick it up, you don't tell anybody.

Amazing.

So that is probably my dream.

that that whiskey is one of the best so johnny walker blue if i'm just buying stuff off the shelf but when i'm at home i still got some in my fridge right now just got an amazingly um home crafted you know what what my grandfather called corn liquor corn liquor and it tastes like peaches infused so that that's one of them yeah do you ever do small talk with the guy with the beard when you when you go and get the drink from him do i do it yeah yeah of course

what what kind of stuff do you end up talking about well my guys that go between but you know we talk about marijuana because we have better marijuana they have better liquor so it's oftentimes why don't you try this wheat and they're like you know you we're going to give you liquor at a better price i'm like thank you you know so

so yeah the the small talk is usually just about you know southerners are very similar even though if we're racially different we're very similar we don't want to be left alone we don't like the government in our fucking business we like to grow our own wheat or brew our own liquor you know we we we sin on saturdays go to church on Sundays ask for forgiveness and work hard the other five days of the week

how long will like one of those bottles last you then?

If you're getting some like and you're only having like three or four drinks a year, you say so.

Yeah, so but I have friends and my friends are drinkers.

So my bottles, the Johnny Walker goes pretty quick.

My wife curses about it.

I'm like, I don't give a fuck.

They're my friends.

I don't give a shit if it's 200 bucks a bottle.

So, you know, with that, it can go quicker because I'll just be smoking marijuana.

My friends be like, I want something to drink and I'll just bring it out.

The moonshine, though, in terms of the peach-infused moonshine, we call it killer peach.

That stuff doesn't last as long because I actually like it and so when my friends come over i'm just like let's drink some of this shit yeah so you know three to four times might be five to six times with them and i pour a big cup not a small cup yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna be i'm not going anywhere rest of the day does it go down super easy then super easy super corn whiskey is not known for going down super it can be it can be smooth but it still hits you yeah and usually If it tastes like something, it usually means it's not good.

So they mask it with a taste.

This is the first time I've drank the corn.

It's as clear as this.

You can see through it like a glass.

And the peach infusion is there.

and it's it's absolutely clean and it's beautiful i just put you know a cup of ice together pour it over it and if i'm watching say you know american version of football what hour hour and a half that's going to last me that whole thing because i'm going to sit and put it down because afterwards i'm not going anywhere i'm drunk

and you said that that might be when you're smoking weed what are you pairing with that what kind of weed would go heavy indica heavy indica right now um like right now i'm smoking Gary Payton, smoking Gary Payton and drinking peach when I get back home.

And I found some Gary Payton over here, interestingly enough.

But it's an OG cush.

We rarely talk to guests about weed pairings with things.

I think it's just you and Dan Aykroyd who've talked about that.

Really?

Shouts out to Dan, man.

Blues Brothers, man.

Essentially, part of Run the Jewels is based on Blues Brothers.

But no, man, yeah, I think that marijuana,

there's a chef that we use to, on the holidays, especially, but different points of the year, he does a marijuana-infused king crab that I love.

And his cream crabs, it just fall out of the shell good.

I like king crab because, again, like bass, it's a, or catfish rather, it's a heavier, you know, it's not like, you know, regular crabs.

My wife taught me how to eat crabs.

She's from a port city.

She's from Savannah.

So I didn't grew up eating lake fish.

I didn't grew up eating stuff out of the ocean.

When the, you know, when I didn't, I didn't even know I like oysters to her aunt literally went next to her.

Her house is here.

She walked to the water.

pulled oysters out and they were cooking them in her front yard.

Wow.

And I was like, well, I don't know if I like it.

And by the time she said, she had popped it out and put it in my mouth.

I was like, oh, it's fucking amazing.

You didn't even have to add salt.

She was like, the salt is in the water.

You know what I mean?

So, you know, that I like marijuana infused king crab legs that this guy makes for me.

I like smoking marijuana, where if you, I don't know if you guys, how you do it here, but when my wife or port cities in America, when they eat crabs, they just put newspaper out like on a table and they just dump them all out and everybody goes for it.

You know what I mean?

So I like marijuana infused in my king crabs.

I like smoking when I eat seafood because seafood usually isn't that heavy on you.

So you can still enjoy your high, you know, if you, you know, with a steak, you got to smoke before and after after, because the steak's going to sober you up some, you know what I mean?

So, you know,

I'm pro-marijuana-infused food.

My dad ate some cookies, got too fucking high one time at my house, thought he was going to die.

My dad used to be a cop, too.

That was fucking hilarious.

Did he know that the cookies were weed cookies?

No, of course not.

No, he was just like, you're just like your fucking mother.

I'm like, you had a kid, Byron.

Because I'm more of a sweet tooth myself.

What's the best weed cookies or weed brownies?

I go to get back when you still had to get a marijuana license in California to get it.

So I go, me and my wife set up an appointment with a doctor.

So we go to the doctor.

The doctor says, do you smoke cigarettes?

No.

Smoke marijuana?

Yes.

Do you eat infused up?

Yeah, no.

It's no good for you.

I say, for real?

Yeah, it's no good for you.

You just smoke, drink plenty of water.

My wife goes in.

You smoke?

Yeah.

You smoke cigarettes?

No, no.

You smoke marijuana?

Yeah, yeah.

Good cookie.

Do you ever eat marijuana?

You eat diffused?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm good.

Keep quiet.

Keep going.

So we leave later, and that's what I'm looking like when it's like, what the fuck?

Why'd you tell me not to?

And I'm saying, why'd he tell me not to eat?

And she just looks at me.

Why would he tell you not to eat sweets, Michael?

And I'm like, she says you're a little fat ass.

There's something scientific about marijuana interacting with the sugar.

That must be one.

That must be one.

So that's why I don't do as many edibles as much as I thought you smoked.

I smoke and I drink a lot of water.

If I eat edibles, it's like a holiday.

But I always think about that little doctor, man.

He's just like, it's like, no, no, no, you shouldn't eat this.

Well, we do arrive now at your dream dessert, the dessert portion of the menu.

Yeah.

As you can tell, I'm like, you have a sweet tooth.

I like desserts.

I like chocolate cake a lot.

But you know, honestly, my favorite is carrot cake.

Carrot cake is amazing.

The cream cheese, icing, the nuts on it, the texture of the carrots in it, and

ginger or or whatever it is that kind of pops out.

I'm a big fan of carrot cake.

I like it room temperature, though.

I don't like my carrot cake cold.

I don't like how I like it room temperature, but I'm big on carrot cake.

And carrot cake pairs well with whiskey, too.

So if you're having dessert, if because usually I'm ordering my whiskey mid or at the end of the meal, it's a good thing to have it.

So yeah, carrot cake is one.

I like key lime pie from Spond Divots, from the place I told you about.

But what I really like is

Edwards, which is just a pie company, big pie company in America, but they make a lemon meringue pie.

So probably my all-time favorite dessert would be a tie between carrot cake and lemon meringue pie.

So what makes this particular lemon meringue pie?

Edwards,

because the meringue is sweet, it's firm, it's not loosey-goosey, and the lemon, the lemon part of it, the custard is firm.

You know what I mean?

Not hard, but it's a pie, but it doesn't fall apart pie.

You know what I mean?

So it's a pie, but it has the consistency of a cake.

So what I've got to ask you about desserts is about where to get the best peach cobbler in Atlanta.

Because my wife, you could just come to my house and she'll make you some peach cobbler.

So Shay makes a hell of a peach cobbler.

Yeah.

And she makes a hell of a lemonade.

When I was thinking about what I drink that's non-alcoholic, we're opening soap.

There's a 50-year-old restaurant called Bankhead Seafood.

Everybody's heard T.I.

I recognize her say Bankhead.

That's the street that runs through the community we grew up in.

We bought this restaurant.

We bought the land, bought the restaurant, bought the recipes from the lady.

And we would say, well, what do you want to add?

ti makes a great sweet potato pie so i think we're going to add that my wife makes an amazing lemonade that she also makes an amazing peach cobbler that when she asks if we could put on the menu i said absolutely fucking not that stays in the family

fucking give him a peach cobbler so her peach cobbler is amazing and um so you can come to our house but bankhead seafood we're going to open Great.

It used to be a dive place where you just come in, get fish to go and whatnot.

Now it's a proper sit-down restaurant.

I'm trying to get our liquor license and beer license now so you can drink RTJ beer while you're there.

We have a rooftop and stuff.

So when you guys come to Atlanta, you're going to have to stop by.

But my wife's Peach Cobbler is fucking amazing.

And there's also trying to think there's one.

Because you went on a quest, didn't you, James?

Yeah.

Yeah, when I was in Atlanta, I was only there for a couple of days.

Yeah.

I really wanted a Peach Cobbler one day.

And I didn't do a good job, Mike.

I just put like into Google, the best peach cobbler in Atlanta.

Yeah.

Came up with a place.

So I put the postcode in and I followed.

I went there.

And then it was just a like a store.

It wasn't a, it was like a

general store.

I went to the back and they were like, yeah, you can kind of heat this up in that microwave over there.

Nah, nah, nah, peach cobbler got to come out of the oven.

But I got you.

I promise you.

I got you.

I knew it had gone bad.

Yeah.

There are a couple of restaurants I'm blanking on the names right now because I don't eat peach cobbler often anywhere.

My grandmother, God bless the dead, made an amazing cobbler.

And I married a woman who cooked so similar to my grandmother that, you know, it's like, I don't really notice the difference.

But she, my wife makes an amazing peach cobbler.

I'll get Shay to make you one.

Oh, man.

I got you.

That's a promise.

So we'll go fishing, and James can eat peach cobbler.

Absolutely.

Oh, happily.

Let's get it.

What a great deal.

I'm going to eat a peach cobbler and watch Ed catch a fish with his bare hands.

Let's get it.

Absolutely.

Happy to do that.

So, are we?

Do you want carrot cake and lemon meringue for dessert or just one of, or just one of them?

I'm poly when it comes to food.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I'm, I'm pro-dessert for the same way.

Like, if we were out, I just ordered for the table.

Like, let's just hit three or four, we'll just share.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's it, you know?

Yeah, well,

James does that when we go out.

He's like, this is for the table.

And you're like, it's for you, man.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, yeah.

We'll get all the desserts.

Yeah, get all the desserts.

Have one try.

We have done that before.

Yeah, that's it.

I think that's a cool thing to do.

Those are good days.

Well, then maybe we put Shay's Peach Cobbler in there as well.

Yeah, I'll have her bring it.

I'll have a ring.

Yeah, let's have them for the table.

Yeah, perfect.

Yeah, for your dream menu.

Would you like a little whiskey at the end of the meal?

I do a whiskey with you guys.

Well, we all have a drink.

Benito.

Yeah, Benito nodded his head.

Yeah, Benito's going to have a whiskey too.

He'll have one as well.

Let's get it, Benito.

Because also, you're a musician.

What music would you like playing for this meal?

Man, I'm pro Sinatra and Nat King Cole.

I like...

When you're eating, I rap for a living, so it's not like I want to hear more rap when I'm eating R ⁇ B and stuff by the third R ⁇ B song.

I'm like, God damn, how sad are you?

You know what I'm saying?

So for me, if it's not, you know, I like stuff that

feels like I'm in a good fellas movie.

So give me Frank Sinatra,

give me Nat King Cole, give me Dean Martin.

You know, if you want to up it a little bit and have a cool vibe, give me Sade, give me Snow, you know, Allegra, give me stuff like that.

You know what I'm saying?

So yeah, I like it.

I like it.

But really,

give me that old jazzy shit, man.

There's nothing as cool as having a steak here in Nat King Cole, Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin.

There's nothing as cool as that.

I'm gonna read your menu back to you now and see how you feel about it okay you would like still water with lemon and lots of ice yep you would like cajun shrimp from spondivits starter you like coloured greens and cornbread main course uh medium steak with blackening and seasoning ribeye steak we going for in the end um a porthouse or i do the ribeye i do the ribeye in but with the bone bone in yeah bone in bone in yep fatty too fatty for flavor side dish we've got well actually we hit a lot of different ones here as well garlic mashed potatoes a big baked potato yep drink course, you would like the killer peach, which is the infused moonshine.

And dessert, you want carrot cake, lemon meringue pie from Edwards, Shay's Peach Cobbler, and then some Johnny Walker Blue for everyone afterwards.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And I also add this, though, for the table.

You know, I heard early that champagne cleanses the palate.

And, you know, we were young when we were kids.

We were trying to be like, we were trying to be like the older drug dealers who were buying like $100 bottles of champagne.

That $40 bottle of moet, that white star, that plain, it really does clean your palate.

I will say that.

It makes your mouth fresh again.

So whatever you're eating next is something new.

So I'd order some champagne.

We'll get that for the table.

We'll keep it flowing for the whole meal.

Absolutely.

Oh, I'll add this.

I'll give this because this is L's favorite restaurant, Peter Luger's.

As a steakhouse,

I don't think their steaks are the most amazing.

It's a decent steak, but they're bacon.

Yeah.

The guy's bacon.

Thick.

It's that thick.

So Peter Luger's bacon and New York Prime in Atlanta both have amazing bacon.

And I'd probably add that to the starter.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because they look.

I've still not been to Peter Luger's because

you can't book, right?

And then it's only cash.

So whenever I'm like, so this is what you do.

You put $100 bill in your hand.

You fold it.

You shake the confidence hand and say, you guys got a table for me?

He's going to say, go sit at the bar.

Give me 10, 15 minutes.

Okay, we're going to do that next time we're there, James.

You got to do it.

Just be subtle.

Be subtle.

I love when L tells me, I can't get reservations.

And I'm just like, I think we can.

Let me do it, though, because your hands stink of catfish.

No one's shaking your hand.

That's the way to do it, though.

In any steakhouse, obviously, that's the way to do it.

Make sure you tip well.

That's a lovely way to end it.

Thank you very much.

Love and respect, guys.

Thank you so much, Adam.

Thank you so much to Killer Mike for coming on the Off-Menu podcast.

What a chat, James.

We were both very excited for that one.

I think it lived up to all our hopes and dreams.

Yeah, it was great to have Killer Mike on the podcast.

It was.

It was.

Great menu as well, James.

Great menu, very delicious.

Made me want to go to Atlanta.

ASAP.

Didn't say cheesy rat as well.

Didn't say cheesy rat, which is fair enough.

I mean, it was never going to happen.

He sneezed.

He sneezed.

That's a loud sneeze.

He jumped up and down on his chair when he did it as well.

And his chair went backwards.

He bounced up and down on his chair.

I was on Claudia Winkleman's show the other day and she sneezed during the traffic report, but she was still on Mike.

Good honour.

She's a pro.

Did you interrupt Sally Traffic?

Yeah, Sally Traffic was so surprised.

Good.

James has got a feud with Sally Traffic from radio, too.

I'll keep it going.

Thank you, Killer Mike.

The album, Michael, is out now.

Yeah, make sure you go out and buy it.

It's brilliant.

In fact, just get Killer Mike's entire back catalogue.

Yeah.

All of his solo stuff, all of his stuff we've run the jewels.

Yeah.

Yeah, every guest appearance he's ever done.

Just fantastic.

Starting with that Outcast song he did on Stanconia, one of the best.

And he's on tour later this year, so make sure you go and see him on tour as well.

I'm sure you'll probably bump into me and James there.

Yeah, don't say anything to us.

Don't say anything to us.

You stay away from us.

Thank you very much for listening.

We'll see you again.

We'll see you again sometime soon.

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