Overtime - Episode #434: Web Censorship, Sanctuary Cities, Gavin 4 Prez

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late night series, real time with Bill Ma.

Look where we are, back on the air. Work, work, work, work.
It never ends. Are we on the interweb? Yes, we're on the interweb.

And we're going to ask the questions that I'm going to be the voice of the people.

Should internet hosting services and tech companies be cutting ties with white supremacist websites? Oh,

Or is that a First Amendment violation? Oh, that's an interesting question.

I mean, the SALU supported the right of the

money. No, they just.
Well, right. And I think that's the same thing.

If you have weapons and

exactly.

I think there's a problem, though, and the Supreme Court has ruled on this, which is the difference between speech and speech that is immediately incited. But the ASIC is a very important thing.

So Facebook, for example, has a responsibility to shut down ISIS sites that are promoting terrorist attacks and so on. The government

should do that. I don't know.
I think we have to wait until they have,

I don't think that should be done right away and too easily.

I'm kind of, I think that the solution to bad speech is more speech. I still believe that.
Oh, no, I agree with you. Certainly I agree with you.
And I also think we want to know.

We want to know what the hate groups are thinking.

But when you show up with torches and weapons,

that does change. It's just torches.
It was just cosplaying.

They still had fuel, and they still, you know, set things on fire.

Okay, Gavin. I was saying tiki torches don't burn.
I wasn't making that statement. Do you support sanctuary cities to protect immigrants from deportation? Yeah, there's a software.

Yeah, no, I mean, yeah.

But I'll remind folks, particularly in the other side of the political aisle, so did Rudy Giuliani.

The fact is sanctuary cities keep people safer, they keep people healthier, and they keep people educated for three simple reasons.

You're more likely to coordinate and collaborate with police as a victim of crime or as someone that was a witness of crime.

You're more likely to engage in sending your kids to school, drop them off, pick them up if you're not worried about the teacher being part of a deportation force.

More likely to get an immunization shot if you're not worried about a nurse being part of a deportation force.

The vast majority of cities and counties that are sanctuary counties are safer than non-cities and sanctuary counties. And so it is good, sound public policy.
It is.

And that's why Democrats should stand up and stop capitulating. Those are the pragmatic arguments.
There's also the moral arguments, which is we should let people into our country.

Well, let people know that's much more important than the sanctuary.

Look, it's being conflated. It's not a shield for criminal behavior, however.
And that's where...

But Gavin, that's where I would disagree with you, that there's also been research that finds that sanctuary cities act as a magnet that attract criminal illegals and say, if I move to that city, then I won't be facing these deportations.

And certainly Kate Steinley from your city, and

I know you can know this case well her family would say that the sanctuary status they have said the sanctuary status killed their daughter yeah you got to be very careful there and and let me just say this with respect at the end of the day sanctuary policy is nothing more than saying two things one the federal government's job is immigration policy the federal government's job is the issue of immigration and from a deportation perspective from an enforcement perspective local law enforcement's job is to keep people safe and that's when local government asking local law enforcement that when you're letting these people out, let us know that we can do that.

By the way, as I'm saying, conservatives are not making the argument that nurses and teachers and people

in this private space should be acting as deportation forces. I think that is absolutely not.
I don't know the conservatives who advocate that. I think that's an exaggeration.
Cities were

coordinating with the people. We're making the fight as if we're jack-booted thugs, and that's not true.
Okay.

This is where this is complicated.

Cities all across the country actually do coordinate with ICE. And ICE has got backlogs for decades.
And so the fact is, that's not what the issue is about. The issue is about the fundamental...

framework of allowing local government the opportunity to choose its most effective public safety programs and not having a dictator the federal government to tell us how to do our job okay and that's why

i just want to say two things one i think it's very unfair that this side of the panel is much better looking than this side of the panel

i did my part i'm less of a fat fuck than I was, but I can only go so far. Only do so much.
You've got to do your part a little bit, Bill. I mean, you used to have longer hair.

Yes, yes. Why did you

do that? Pursuant to our conversation about the Democrats winning elections. Yes.
Could they get a Frank Luntz? Could they get somebody who would teach them to name things better? Sanctuary cities.

Yeah, it's not a great idea. Not a great.

Single payer. Yeah, confusing.
Not helpful. People think, oh, that's going to be me.

Global warming sounds nice.

Actually,

Jesus Christ, can we just name things better?

But can we start with that?

They did have someone. His name was Mark Perry.
Sanctuary Cities is a horrible term.

We used to be cities of refuge. Now it's sanctuary cities.
I agree. We can find it.
You could find something better. It's not.
How about the USA? The whole country should be a sanctuary.

I'm so sick of this.

How are you? Are you from France originally? Gillette?

I'm a real mongrel, probably from Newfoundland, which is just a euphemism for stupid. But yeah, all those people up in the frozen north, the Club SEALs, those are my people.
Okay.

I love Newfoundland, by the way.

I want to get you on.

What did you think of Ray Moore getting more votes than Trump's candidate, Luther Strange, in the Alabama Senate primary?

I mean, that's really inside baseball, but Ray Moore was the, used to be the Supreme Court of Alabama judge who refused to move the Ten Commandments from outside the courthouse.

Yeah, there's ideologues and then there's a lot of things. Right, no, it actually was like a very sort of muddled case.

And it's not really a test case for Trump versus the establishment because both Trump and the establishment were supporting strange. I think Mitch McConnell put like something like $15 million

into his candidacy. And then the other guy won on the strength of evangelical voters.
So I don't think it really tells you very much about Republican politics, to be honest. All right.

One final thing. In case anyone on the panel is thinking of running for president.

I just want to say,

because you're running for governor,

yes, sir. Yeah, in 2018.
Okay.

So.

So say you're governor in 2018. Now this is the sixth biggest economy in the world, California.
It's right a fifth. And it's right, really.
Okay.

And we're sort of the leaders of the resistance, and Trump is becoming less.

It's probably be a pretty good platform if a person was thinking. I just want to say,

Chris Christie waited too long.

Barack Obama, when he ran, they said, you're doing it too soon.

Always err on the side of doing it too soon. Because the more you wait, the more shit they are going to just make up.

isn't that true? Chris Christie could have had the nomination. Right.
And he was like, no, I'll wait till next time. And next time was after Bridgegate.
Right.

And you remember Bill Clinton, he didn't wait his turn in 1995. That's right.
You don't wait your turn. If America has proven anything, they like a fresh face.
They like to face it.

Do it while your face is fresh. Make sure you get all your political advice from a Canadian.

Make sure you do that. Ah, shut the fuck up.
All right. Thank you, everybody.

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