Episode #415 (Originally aired 2/17/17)

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late night series, Real Time with Bill Ma.

How you doing?

Thank you very much.

I know, I know, I know.

It's so

exciting.

Control yourselves, humans.

I know why you're excited.

It's President's Day weekend, and

it's a good time to reflect how far we've come from our first president who said I cannot tell a lie

and you know I know it's fun to watch the wheels come off the Trump car

until we remember we're riding in the back

that it's not so fucking fun anymore

And as usual, you know, there's the circus that happens every week, the distractions that take us away from knowing what's really important, which is there is an unprecedented state of crisis in this country.

There is.

The National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, resigned.

because of his illegal contacts with Russia.

I know the President would like to say that's fake news.

That's not fake news.

This is the most serious political scandal we've ever had in the United States.

And now the question turns to how deep was the involvement of President Trump, or as Russia calls him, Agent Orange.

And

what is going on in this country is the intelligence agencies are leaking like crazy because they are trying to send a

desperate message that this is not just a different kind of president as the Republican enablers like.

He's a different kind of president.

No, he's fucking nuts and he's dangerous and they know it

they know it and they're trying to tell us that you know what makes the intelligence agencies go nuts scenes like this from Mar-a-Largo this last weekend when he was with the Japanese prime minister and they got news at dinner that the North Koreans had launched a missile So Trump thought he would, you know, just handle it at dinner in an open-air restaurant.

He's with the Japanese prime prime minister.

They probably handle intelligence briefings like they do at their steakhouses, right there at your table.

This is crazy shit.

And yet, foreign heads of state keep coming to America as if it's normal, as if things are.

Netanyahu from Israel was here this week, and

Trump doesn't know anything.

That's the other little bad part about him.

They asked him about the two-state solution.

He said, it works for me and Melania.

And then Justin Trudeau, where are my Canadians here?

I know they're a cadet.

They're small but enthusiastic.

But he came here and sat down with the president.

You know, he had that same look on his face that all the leaders have, like, oh, fuck.

And I'm sure it came up that they have floated, seriously, in the White House, Sarah Palin as the first ambassador

not the first the last ambassador

to Canada which I'm sure Trudeau takes more as a threat

Sarah Palin ambassador the first ambassador in history to require a security deposit

No that that's what they do they love these distractions.

Look at crazy Sarah Baylin over here.

Meanwhile, they're doing this shit like the Senate confirmed just today Scott Pruitt to be

head of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Scott Pruitt is a man who despises the Environmental Protection Agency.

So it's less like public service and more like community service.

This is a guy who is completely in the tank for the extraction industry.

That's how they roll.

The new head of the APA is completely in the tank with the oil and the coal.

That's how Republicans work with Donald Trump.

While you're watching the clown screw the pony, they're breaking into your car.

Just remember that.

Now, in other cabinet news, Andy Puzner is out.

That sounds like something somebody says to you when your fly is open.

Hey, uh,

Andy Puzzner is out.

No, he was the anti-labor guy they put up to be labor secretary.

And now they're putting up a guy, Alexander Acosta.

I have no idea how this guy slipped through because he's qualified and Hispanic.

So

it's going to be a very tough confirmation process and an even tougher border patrol.

And then there was the press conference.

Did you see Donald Trump's press conference?

Press conference, an impromptu 77-minute brain fart.

What it was.

I mean,

you know your Facebook friend who said he thought Trump was Hitler?

He was optimistic.

Actually, what we have here is a mental patient who thinks he's Hitler.

The kid in the YouTube video who's high from the dentist made more sense.

It was...

And of course it was this long, whiny.

whiny little bitchy

airing of grievances against the press and the courts courts and the Democrats and Hillary, just this non-stop pissing and moaning and pissing and moaning.

There's less pissing and moaning when he's with his Russian hooker.

And then in the middle of it, he says the White House is running like a fine-tuned machine.

Yes, specifically a Samsung galaxy.

All right, we've got a great show.

Larry Wilmore, Jack Kingston, and Malcolm Nance are here.

And a little later, we'll be speaking with Leah Remedy is backstage.

But first up,

he is the controversial senior editor of Breitbart News and author of the upcoming book Dangerous, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Milo.

Hi, how you doing?

How are you?

Nice to meet you.

Yes.

Happy to have you here.

You're very controversial.

I don't know why.

Well, we're going to get you.

I don't know why.

I'm lovely.

Yeah, I know.

Well, we'll find that

I'm going to start with an open mind because, honestly, I only heard of you about a year ago.

You're all of, what, 31?

32, but thank you.

Okay.

27 officially.

Okay.

You look like Bruno.

But.

You know, he said he was 19.

You know, I told her to dial down the contouring.

She didn't listen.

Your makeup lady was just crazy.

All right.

Anyway, so

about a year ago, people started to tell me,

are you going to get this guy, Milo, you know, on your show?

And I started to look into what you're saying.

And look, I think you're colossally wrong on a number of things.

That's okay.

But if exactly,

if I banned everyone from my show who I thought was colossally wrong, I would be talking to myself.

Well, you wouldn't have Ann Coulter on, which is the only time I watched the show.

You wouldn't have Jack Kingston, of course.

Wonderful.

So I have an open mind.

So let's start with the contradictions about you, which is pretty crazy because

you're gay and you're

Spoiler alert.

Oh, come on.

You can do better than that.

What tipped you off?

I've been reading about you.

I mean, your mother's Jewish.

You have a black Muslim boyfriend.

No, but I have a new one now.

You did.

Still black, not Muslim.

Not Muslim.

But he was Muslim?

There was somebody once.

Okay.

But you've spoken out again.

You can't talk about it.

You've spoken out against these people.

You say you don't hire gay people.

Oh, no, you can't trust them to show up to work on time.

Too much drugs, too much sex.

They never show up to work, always making excuses.

No, no, no.

I mean, not as bad as women, but no, I don't hire gay people.

But you know, that's not...

I mean...

Oh, there we go.

But, you know, that's just...

I'm just kidding.

You're easy.

You're very easy.

Very easily triggered.

It's pathetic.

Well, let's get to that.

There's so many things I could start an argument with you about, but

because I know gay people who do show up to work.

Okay, but

yes, but that is the

reaction.

You are so,

let's say, helped by the fact that liberals just always take debate.

Of course.

Now, you're a conservative.

I'm a liberal.

That's the thing.

I mean, I don't know if I'm conservative.

I mean, I'm a very environmentalist.

You worked with Breitbart and you're a Trump supporter.

Well, it's interesting that

the radical gay editorials, you know, saying interesting, provocative things about gays are now being published by Breitbart.

And I don't think, really, that you can call Trump a traditional conservative.

He's not that Republican.

No, you're correct about that.

So I don't know if that's very important.

All I care about is free speech and free expression.

I want people to be able to be, do, and say anything.

These days, you're right.

That's a conservative.

I care about the environment and living also.

But free speech.

But I mean, you're right.

I mean, you know, we've both...

We have both been disbarred at Berkeley.

You know,

I gave the commencement of.

Much more dramatically, I'd just like to say.

I mean, they just disinvited you.

I had riots.

People got beaten up.

Right.

No, you do.

Horrendous.

Okay, you win, Barb.

You beat me out there.

There were no riots.

It's not a competition.

I'm just saying.

No, it's not a competition.

But

when you make liberals crazy for that part of liberalism that has gone off the deep end.

Most of it.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know.

You're the only good one.

No, you're literally the only good one.

No, I am so...

These people are mental, hideous people.

The more that America sees of Lena Dunham, the fewer votes the Democrat Party is ever going to get.

This is the people that should be.

Let's not pick on fellow HBO stars.

There are so many.

Was I supposed to help people?

Was I not supposed to do that?

No, of course you were not.

They didn't brief me about that.

I'm supposed to be.

Sorry.

She is awful.

Because, excuse me.

Because we don't brief here.

Because it is free speech.

Well, I like that.

Should we go with Amy Schubert?

But I'm not.

See, another thing.

I love A.B.

Schuber.

But that's okay.

We disagree.

No, but these people used to be funny before they contracted feminism.

It's like Sarah Silverman.

She was really, really funny when she was practicing.

Now there's someone I'm a fan of.

Let's get off this.

Let's talk about your humor, because I think a lot of people do miss your humor.

And I'm a guy who always defends jokes

right up up to the point where they pointlessly hurt people.

Do you think you've ever, no, I hurt people.

No, I can't.

I have my whole career.

I hurt people for a reason.

But for sure.

No, I like to think of myself as a virtuous troll.

But

if somebody gets hurt

because of truth needs to be said, like religion.

I've always attacked religion.

Well, you're sound on Islam, unlike most of the people on your side.

Yes, you're right.

You're very good.

That's true.

But all religion, I always say, is stupid and dangerous.

That hurts.

Except Catholicism, which is awesome, but otherwise, yes.

Okay, well, that shows you.

And I hope when you look in the mirror tonight...

I'm very happy with what I see in the mirror.

I don't see Bruno in the mirror.

I'm not talking about what you see.

I'm talking what's in your head.

When you recognize that you are a Catholic, I hope you say to yourself, gee, I'm also capable of bullshit, stupid thinking.

Well, everyone's capable of bullshit, stupid thinking.

And that's okay.

You know,

it's a characteristic of the modern left, I think, requiring this absolute consistency and forgetting that people are messy and complicated.

And forgetting also some obvious other human truths, I think, some realities of human psychology.

Like, for instance, you know, the reason they want to police humor, you know, which is very important to both of us, is that they can't control it.

Because the one thing that authoritarians hate is the sound of laughter.

Because they can't control what people find about.

And also, because when people laugh, they know it's true.

Yeah, of course.

Nothing annoys people or amuses people like the truth.

Laughter is involuntary.

Exactly.

When you laugh, even if you don't really agree in that kind of thing,

exactly.

And so I get my college talks, you've got the professors at the front who are there to kind of monitor me to make sure I don't go off the rails.

And I make a joke about Ted Cruz or something and they're like,

you can see it.

You can see it.

And the other thing, the other thing that's really important,

not just that, but the other thing is, you know, humor isn't how you drive people apart.

You know, these sort of policing humor for racism and sexism is utterly wrong-headed.

Not just because normally it isn't there, but because that's how we build bridges, not how we break them.

You know, when you make a joke about, when you make a joke, that's how you connect with somebody.

You know, you make jokes at the bar, you make awkward small talk.

Humors have what brings people together, not what drives them apart.

And these basic, you know, fundamental human psychological insights, the progressive rights.

That's difficult.

The one area where I'm a little concerned is when you go after people individually.

Because like I said,

if it's in the cause of a greater truth,

if people are hurt as

collateral damage, I'll go there.

But I didn't understand the Ghostbusters thing.

First of all, who gives a fuck?

I wrote a bad review of the movie.

Am I not entitled to do that?

I said she looked like a dude.

She does.

You know, I said

she was barely literate.

She is.

And I simply don't accept, I do not accept that a Hollywood, you know, that the star of a Hollywood blockbuster, that an A-list mega celebrity is sitting in a Hollywood mansion crying over mean words on the internet.

Get over it.

And if you aren't over it, which I suggest you are, which I suspect you are, because it's not really the case that she's sitting there upset about mean words on the internet.

Actually, she's been deployed by the studio because the movie's tanking.

You know, you've just got to accept.

I'm sorry.

You've just got to accept mean words on the internet don't hurt anyone.

And also, your Twitter feed, my Twitter feed.

These are ugly, horrible things.

Every Twitter feed is.

No, they're not.

They're worth it.

When I had a Twitter, it was the funniest thing in America.

It was fabulous.

But you know, what actually hurts people is things that happen in the real world.

I mean, I don't go on about it because I'm not a professional feeder.

But I do get syringes through my door, dead animals through my door.

You say you get mean tweets, that's okay.

It's not a competition.

But

what actually hurts people is like murder, violence, you know, know, that kind of stuff.

Mean words doesn't hurt.

Which some people would say you have incited.

What?

How?

I'm just saying some people would say.

Well, they would be idiots.

Well, they would be idiots.

Yeah.

Okay.

No, and I agree with you about the Twitter thing.

I mean, I stopped reading most of my Twitter feed a long time ago because if I want to cry myself to sleep every night, I could just read my Twitter feed.

No, I love it.

I get off on it.

I love it.

You know, I give my trolls marks out of 10.

But that's you, and you're a little broken kind of animal.

I'm a little broken.

I give you a marks out of ten.

I used to be.

You're a little broken, and you're very wrong about certain things.

Like all comedians.

Well, like Black Lives Matter is a hate group, and that there's no such thing as white privilege.

I mean, you do know that that's a.

We're happy to do it.

No, look, we can disagree on those things, and that's wonderful.

The one thing that should unite us, the one thing that I think that you and I can both agree on, and the one thing that was so remarkable when that, I mean, I've never heard of him before, that silly man who had a hissy fit this week who refused to come on the show, doesn't understand, is that

if you don't show up to debate, you lose.

Right.

And if you don't,

and also stop taking the bait liberals.

The fact that you all freaking out wasn't

a little impish British fag.

You fucking schoolgirls.

You schoolgirls.

It's so ridiculous, right?

Look, if I am.

You know what?

If I'm any.

Somebody sent me this, which is so funny because they knew you were coming on.

These are some things Joan Rivers, who, by the way, when she died, Obama,

the liberal president that we all love, commented.

They don't comment when someone dies.

She's a tranny.

Unless they're a national treasure.

He said, not only did she make us laugh, she made us think.

Here's what she said on Michelle Obama.

Blackie O, you know Michelle is a tranny.

Robin Quivers, bitch, you look like a fucking mudslide.

I hate Houston.

It's crawling with bugs.

Oh, wait, that's Whitney Houston.

You know, my favorite, my favorite.

Exactly, but that's the person we find to be a national treasure.

I'm just saying, the line is kind of blurred.

And some of its context, you know, because somebody is perceived to have conservative politics, which I think I've said it's at least questionable in my case.

Right.

Because somebody is perceived to have conservative politics, there are different rules.

You can't make jokes other than the people who are.

But you should get off the Trump train.

Because

for a guy who loves free speech.

Fabulous.

For a guy who loves free speech, you've picked a weird name.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no.

That is not going to come.

No time to to debate that.

No heads are coming on.

We'll do it again.

All right.

Well, let's meet our panel.

Stand fast.

Good job, Bill.

All right, here they are.

Our panel.

What do you think?

He's the former U.S.

counterterrorism.

Did you just come?

Because that was a.

It's the Russians.

He's the former U.S.

Counterterrorism Intelligence Officer and author of The Plot to Hack America, How Putin, Cyber Spies, and WikiLeaks Tried to Steal the 2016 Election.

Tried.

Malcolm Nance is over here.

He is a producer, comedian, and writer.

One of my favorites.

Larry Wilmore is back with us.

Larry Wilmore.

Oh, they haven't forgotten.

Closer.

And the Republican who served 10 terms as the U.S.

Congressman representing Georgia's first districts, he's got balls to come here.

Jack Kingston, hey, Jack, how you doing?

Don't forget to send us your questions for tonight's overtime so we can answer them after the show on YouTube.

Okay, let's talk about the Russians.

No, really, you know, I don't want to repeat myself, but I do feel an obligation to,

as I never have in my long career, to put the facts ahead of the entertainment.

I always try to get both in, but I feel like our country's hanging by a thread right now.

So if I have to repeat myself, I'm going to.

Stop looking at the distractions and the clown show and look at what matters, which is, I would say, this is the worst political scandal in American history, and it's not going away.

I agree.

I agree.

I think all of...

I mean,

all of this talk about fake news, it distracts us from the real stories.

Like, why is Harrison Ford allowed to fly a plane at 102?

All right, Mr.

Funny.

You're absolutely right.

There you go, being part of the problem.

But yeah, I mean, I keep hearing on the news, you know, the cover-up is worse than the crime.

No,

the crime is worse.

The crime is treason.

The crime is colluding with Russia

to fix an American election.

How is this not...

Bill, I got to say, and it won't surprise you, but I disagree.

I absolutely, number one,

there's two questions here.

Where was Barack Obama when he knew that the Russians were trying to influence the election in September?

They were at a G20 meeting.

You're right.

And he pulls Putin to the side and says, you've got to cut that out.

Well, what is that for foreign policy?

You've got to cut that out.

I totally agree.

He was late on that.

He was very late.

Now, the second issue of

Flynn having a conversation with Kislyak,

the ambassador.

We don't know exactly what went on.

It's illegal for us to know what went on, as you know.

And

what went on?

Bringing up sanctions or not bringing up sanctions.

I mean, Jack, you know, Jack is always going to stand and say that there was nothing wrong with that.

Let me put it into context.

No, it's absolutely.

I'm saying, Malcolm is we don't have to be aware of that.

You know what, Malcolm?

Well, first put you into context.

Okay.

Now, you've been part of the intelligence community for a long time.

Yeah, a few decades.

So deeply, I I don't even know what agency.

What agency were you with?

I started out in naval intelligence and worked for the National Security Agency, and from time to time I was loaned to other people.

Black guy that spoke Arabic.

Loaned to other people.

All right, so you know where the bodies are buried.

I know where some of them are.

Well,

what I was about to say was, the way that you characterize it at the beginning of your monologue, I think was rather mild.

I think what we are, and you say it's the greatest scandal in American history.

Well, we can put secession aside.

This may possibly be the greatest scandal of presidential history, where for the first time in 240 years we have a president who may have actually had influence and had been elected with the direct assistance, not just of a foreign power, of a foreign intelligence agency.

The four FISA warrant investigations that are going on right now, people hear the word FISA and they hear FBI and they think, okay, that's great.

That's just an investigation.

This is this nation's spy hunters are investigating these people, not just regular gumshoe FBI agents.

These are people looking at the speakers.

These are the foreign agencies are leaking like this.

It seems like they are crying out that we don't want to do a coup.

And, Bill, let's be honest.

He brings up Obama.

No, let's keep it 100 on this.

If Obama in 2008 was thought he was colluding with the Russians, I mean, he was already called a commie at that point.

Yeah.

Do you think he ever would have been elected?

I mean, this was called a Committee.

Let me just put that to you, Jack.

What if it was the reverse?

What if it was Hillary Clinton who was

just what we absolutely know?

What would you be saying about it?

Well, number one,

very, very important.

Barack Obama did absolutely know that the Russians were potentially

in terms of Republicans asking, and I think you're right, shoes on the other foot, there's going to be hell raising.

So I agree with you on that.

But to say, I think it's way, way too early and way too dramatic to be saying this is the biggest scandal in American history.

What is a scandal?

Everybody talks about it.

The scandal is that

the Russians fixed the election

for one party.

That's not.

No, no, you're right.

We don't have the proof of that.

But the dots are all there.

No, the intelligence agencies, and Malcolm will back me up on this, I certainly hope.

Maybe, maybe not.

But the intelligence agency said while they did

seek to interfere with the elections, it cannot be shown that they affected the elections.

No, it didn't affect that you.

That's what the intelligence agency is saying.

Malcolm backed me up on this.

No, they're saying that the results were not affected by it.

The results were not affected by it.

That is nothing at all.

That is such bullshit.

They act like...

Here's what happens.

Here's what really gets me upset.

No.

Because these talking points always act like we don't have eyes and we can't hear things.

That's what it acts like.

No, no, no.

I was there.

I'm not a researcher.

I was a witness.

I saw the electronics.

Did you tell Hillary Clinton not to go to West Congress?

Hillary Clinton took her work home.

That's what people were mad at.

She told her.

August off.

She's August at Hollywood.

Can I put this in perspective?

When Kennedy was president,

He wasn't fucking around with the Russians, but he was fucking around.

Yes, he was.

The intelligence agencies, we don't know what happened to Jack Kennedy, but that was was one theory, because they couldn't trust him because he was fucking East German spies and Mafia couriers.

And they were like, this guy has a pussy problem, and this cannot stand.

He is too much of a danger to America.

Now, I feel like that's where the intelligence agencies are now.

Now, they should not be violent, don't get me wrong, but they are saying through their leaks, this man cannot be president.

And you know why they're saying that?

Because what we have is a situation here where the person they would have to report to, the absolute pinnacle, the commander-in-chief, is a person who himself cannot be reported to.

What they're doing is they're reporting and they're taking it above his head to the ultimate commander-in-chief, which is the American people.

This is an application.

That is Jay Edgar Hoover.

That's

Jay Edgar Hoover.

And you know what?

All of you

meaning that.

Use this intel information to black male politicians to affect American policy.

And that's Russia.

That's proof.

Malcolm, you should be outraged to think, number one, that they're spying on an American person.

Now, they can say, okay, he was collateral damaged that we were really spying on the Russian ambassador, but they do not have the right to disclose what a...

Even if they find Tracy,

why do they have the right to disclose it?

There was no spying going on on an American citizen.

This was owned force monitoring, and we have FBI witnesses.

They are not accepting American citizens.

Well we are now in this place.

He was a private citizen at the time but you're not allowed to say that.

You still cannot do that.

America is now in this place where we have watched other countries who we had our nose up about Egypt and Turkey places where we thought oh you know the dictator is crazy So the intelligence services, that's not really the best option.

Oh wait, it is the best option.

option.

They're like our last line of defense now.

And

Trump floated the idea this week that he's going to put this guy, Stephen Feinberg, who's some hedge fund or buddy of his.

He wants him to oversee the intelligence.

It looks like a purge in the making so that he can take over.

Can, my question to you, sir.

Can Trump put his people in charge of the intelligence agencies?

Because then we have no line of defense between the total coup.

Well, every president puts people in charge of intelligence agencies, and they control that little seat that they're sitting in, and maybe a couple of seats around them.

The people who come in every day, day in, day out, who walk past the statue of Nathan Hale over at CIA, who walk past the Wall of Honor over at the National Security Agency, they are not in this in order that the President of the United States goes out and disparages them day to day.

They are here to protect this nation.

They do it well.

And what we're doing now now is

they are now

of self-defense for the nation.

They are loyal to the Constitution, not the man.

Are you saying that they all got together and they said, hey, we're so worried about this guy that we're going to start breaking the law ourselves?

Yes.

That's what you're saying.

That's exactly what you're saying.

Why not me?

Why do I give away the people?

Why do you think people are

going to be able to do that?

Why do you think people

in the Trump circle, the people that he trusted, are leaking?

Why do you think they're going to be a little bit more?

And by the way, let me point this out.

Listen, let me just say that.

Let me point out somebody.

No, no, I got to move on, but let me point this out first.

The people in the intelligence agencies, by and large, are not liberals.

No.

They are not liberals.

So when they're leaking, you know they're freaked out.

Okay, so

Kurt Vonnegut.

Yeah, right.

That's what it is.

Right.

Like James Comey, the Republican, who fucked Hillary.

I'm not sure, that's the right word.

Kurt Vonnegut once said, true terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

Yes.

On queue this week, we met this guy, Stephen Miller.

He's 30.

30 or 31 years old.

He's the senior advisor there in the White House.

This is a brown-noser on a scale I have never seen.

And

this is what he said.

This is his debut on national TV.

The powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.

You're not scared by that.

The powers of the president will not be questioned.

We don't have checks and balances anymore.

Checks and balances, Jack?

No, listen, I'm with you on that.

Great.

But what I'm saying, if he is referring to the case, if he is referring to Section Code 1182 that gives the president broad authority to control who comes into the border, then he's correct in that context.

Okay, well, anyway,

I've had to do that.

This is not a whatever thing.

This is U.S.

code

1182.

Can I just say what's happening here, please?

Okay.

What's happening with Trump and a lot of this stuff is a complete assault on the truth, is what's going on.

And they're doing it in several ways.

Let me tell you, the first way, like Trump does this casual lying that, and he puts the pressure on us to figure out what he's talking about.

Like, we have to be as fucking Rosetta Stone

to carry through his lies.

And then there's this exhaustion of fact-checking that's going on because of the casual lying.

America's going to be tired of smart people fact-checking him all the time.

And finally, no, the last thing is taking facts as facts and turning them into what I call ammunition for ideological

points, right?

So in other words, if you say it rained today, that's a fucking fact, right?

But Trump will say, no, this is what what Trump will say.

Well, you're just saying that because you want us to fail.

If Hillary was president, you wouldn't say it's raining.

Yes, we would, because it's fucking raining today.

We would.

That's fake rain, Larry.

Yes, it's fake rain.

I was outside and I felt it.

That was fake rain.

But you know,

fucking just add baby gerbils there that you had on the TV screen.

I've seen

these guys.

I was in Baghdad at the Republican Palace when they had 25 and 26-year-old kids interns.

I remember walking into the office of the Iraqi banking sector, and these kids were running $20 billion of cash and gold.

And they were just interns because they were family members and friends of the Bush administration.

We're going to see a lot more of them.

But then they worship Orange Julius Caesar.

He was like,

Well, you know.

That's the most bizarre statement I've ever heard.

It's true.

I was at that palace.

I went to Iraq and not wearing a uniform, but went many times.

I didn't see any 26-year-olds carrying around billions of dollars in cash.

I saw stacks of it, but that wasn't touching it.

No, we knew that.

There was a lot of street cash.

No, that was a bunch of kids.

Talking about it.

Kids were all right.

No, the Atlanta government treasury went by it was a lot of people.

Stacks of cash break.

I know there was street month, but Baghdad.

Nothing.

But you know, I found out something very interesting this week.

The Ways and Means Committee in Congress has the power to look at Donald Trump's tax returns, which would be very helpful at this moment when we're trying to get to the bottom of the biggest scandal ever.

I agree.

But they won't do it.

The Republicans in Congress are the cover-up.

They are enablers.

Where are the patriots?

Wouldn't that...

I mean, I know Donald Trump is not a patriot, because a true patriot would say to Russia, look, even though you're helping me, that's not the way we win elections here.

But that's not him.

That's not who he is.

But where is, like John McCain,

please, John McCain, I've seen John McCain

be a guy I loved, a real patriot, and I've seen him be a party hack.

John, a nation turns its lonely eyes.

Seriously, we need those people to step forward and put country above party.

I mean,

you were always one of the sane ones, Jack.

You're going to make America great again, and you're going to be so happy.

As a friend, get off the Trump train.

That's my, as a friend.

It is not.

Do you really think it's going to turn out well?

Did you see the press conference?

I think it's going to turn out well.

Did you see the press conference?

I thought it was great.

If you love Donald Trump.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

If you love Donald Trump, you love the press conference, and if you hate Donald Trump,

it was an attack on the media, and then today he tweeted the fake news media, failing New York Times, NBC News.

I noticed he said NBC News, he leaves out the entertainment division because I'm getting a check.

ABC, CBSC, is not my, it is the enemy.

of the American people.

Okay, this is what they say in Zimbabwe about the media.

The enemy of the people.

Do you think that is appropriate to say the media,

which is in the Constitution, by the way.

The press is in the Constitution as the enemy of the media.

You dare to say Obama was divisive?

It's a libertarian's first move.

I think you're overthinking it.

I really do.

I really do.

If you look at that press conference yesterday, he was taunting the media.

He was in his element.

He was having fun with it.

His element as President of the United States.

And he won.

Not overrun.

And he won.

Men and himself used used that phrase in 1917.

What's that?

That he attacks the press as an enemy of the people.

This comes straight from the Vladimir Putin playbook.

Oh, good.

Masha Gessin and every dictator.

Yeah, of course.

But Masha Gessin recently just wrote an article called Autocracy a Survival Guide, where she said the first year of Putin's reign, he spent one year dismantling the press through legal precedents, through lawsuits, and he carved them back into the provider-like organization they are.

That's what they're doing with Fox News, and they're politically eroding all of their political.

He also called the people his enemies.

You know, it's also interesting in another tweet.

He said, you know, congratulations to my enemies.

Remember that?

It was New Year's or something.

It's like he's going to Melbourne, Florida, to meet, to get in his rally this weekend.

He won the election.

I don't think anybody told him that.

But he's still having a campaign rally.

And those people who come to the rally, in his view, that's America.

But that's 39% of America.

60% of America, we're the enemies.

Can you govern when 60% of the country is considered the enemy?

I don't think you can.

I didn't follow your math on how you got there.

Well, he's got about a 40% approval rate of men.

His fans, and then 60% of the people.

But

an interesting poll that came out today showed that 45% of the people trust him more than the media.

42% trust the media.

42% trust in the media.

45% trust Trump.

But

he says they're the enemy.

The same poll says

55% of the people.

Well, 45 versus 42%.

But that doesn't mean they're right.

That doesn't mean it's true.

Who do you trust more?

42% of the people said the media, and 45% said the people.

60% believe the Noah's Ark story is real.

And

speaking of religion,

I must break away here.

We have a very special guest.

I've been wanting to have her on for a long time.

She's an actress and the creator and host of A ⁇ E's Scientology in the Aftermath.

Please welcome Leah Remini.

Okay.

Switching, gears.

How you doing?

Yeah, thank you for having me.

It is nice.

You're quite sweet.

Yeah.

All right.

Let me try to calm down from the panel.

Yes, take a moment.

Do you need some water?

No, I do, but screaming and arguing to be with someone who I admire greatly because I've been watching your show and I am telling you I am such an admirer of what you are doing.

Thank you.

And you know, I think

when the history of Scientology is finally written, it's going to show that you had a, fate chose you

to come in like in Act 5.

Right.

You're like...

You're like Reagan with, you know, tear down that wall.

Thank you.

And, you know, we had Going Clear a documentary on our network.

Yes.

It was awesome.

And

it started to break the wall down.

Exactly.

And I feel like what you are doing is putting a human face on the people who suffer from this awful cult.

Thank you.

I really appreciate that.

And you're right.

It's about families, right?

It's about families, but it's about the damage that it does to people as individuals.

I mean, we're all

still kind of managing who we are from being in a cult.

It's not an easy thing.

But you were a child.

I was a child, and most people are who get in

because it really was a religion, I use that loosely, of its time.

So

I think they're going to be hard-pressed to find new members.

However, I felt a responsibility because as somebody who was a Scientologist for over 35 years,

you know, what they disseminate was that we were responsible for mankind.

And so there was a huge...

helping yes we but but that

we thought we were helping and that's why it's hard to come out i'm in a tough position because on one hand i'm attacking this cult and at the same time i know that the people who are still in are under the this the spell uh of doing good for the world because that's what the the organization and that's another great thing that came out in your show that really explained a lot to me about how otherwise intelligent people who i knew some of them could be in this cult i mean i would say any any religion, but especially this one.

And you really put this out there that what it is is you're audited.

They're always questioning you.

What did you do?

What did you see?

So it just doesn't pay to look on the internet because you know you're going to have to answer that question in an audit.

So you just don't look.

So you just don't know.

Somebody told me the first time you found out something about Scientology was when you saw my movie Religilist.

Exactly.

So I watched it.

Well, first of all, I wasn't allowed.

Scientologists are not allowed to look at things like this.

We're not allowed to look or listen to people who are critics of

Scientology.

So I watched it because I was a troublemaker apparently

always.

And I watched it.

Now I wasn't at the level that you were,

what you were revealing in your documentary.

I wasn't even at that level yet.

So you seemed a little crazy to me because I didn't know what you were saying was true.

So I was like, that shit's crazy, right?

But then, as you get to the upper levels, and now I want you to know that it's confidential, so a lot of people don't even reach this confidential level in Scientology.

And you were like, Bill Mars got the real shit.

Right, right.

Although, although you weren't technically correct in the way you said it, and I should tell you, you know, and this is

just a, I want to say this to the pressing people who talk about Scientology, is you should always talk to somebody who is in.

Because if you don't get the nomenclature 100% correct, we have a way of just kind of discrediting you

if you're not using it correctly.

So you didn't say exactly, but you were on the right track, okay?

But you don't know this until $300,000 later, and then you're really immersed in this.

That's another great thing I learned from your show.

You said, it always sticks with me.

You said when you go to a Scientology event and you look in the parking lot, every one of the cars is a cheap, shitty old car.

Correct.

Because Scientology sucks all the money out of all of this.

Correct.

My mother's laughing because she's in the audience and she's the only only one in a nice car because I bought it for her.

But that is, I mean, it reminded me a lot of communism.

Yes.

Because, like, communism, first of all, you're poor, they take all your money.

And also, the snitching on each other.

Correct.

Everybody's watching each other.

I mean, again, this is the great thing about your show.

It showed this disconnecting.

That people, that they ask you to disconnect from your own family.

They don't ask you families against each other.

Yes, they don't ask you.

It's a requirement.

Right.

And they, the church, thinks

they have outsmarted the press because it is incorrect to say that across all boards you have to disconnect from anyone who talks about Scientology.

The truth of the matter is the policies, because everything is run by policy in Scientology.

There's no room for assimilation.

There's no, what did you think?

What did you get from that?

You know, it's what the fuck does it say?

And if you don't understand it, you know, do a clay demo of it.

And you get checked out on policies like what does the word and mean and you need to know 25 definitions of the word and and its derivations um so you so yes so it's it's almost it's it's a state they thought milo was the case yeah exactly yeah

so yeah

that's well you were

nothing on this side you weren't you weren't incorrect about that but the the the um

the the the the the problem there is that we're we're self-brainwashing which uh some a cult expert actually told us that Steve Hassan in our last special.

And I didn't realize that because we are required to study two and a half hours a day daily, like minimum, minimum.

So we are looking up the words, we are being checked out on the policies of celebrities.

But even, like, I know they're big on celebrities.

Even celebrities have to do this.

Yes.

Are you telling me Tom Cruise does this?

Yes.

Yes.

Not only does Tom Cruise do exactly that,

now I don't want you to get the idea that he's not, that certain policies are not being

bent for him because they are.

And that is the truth.

And that was part of the hypocrisy.

He could end this.

He could end this.

Single-handedly.

Correct.

He is the one person.

Correct.

And

because they're saying that he single-handedly is clearing the planet, is changing the planet.

So most Scientologists believe.

He clearly.

He couldn't even make Jack Reacher a hit.

Well, Scientologists believe that he did.

And Scientologists believe that if he didn't make it a hit, it was because they were suppressive, evil people

working against him because he's winning in life and he's clearing the planet.

So where is this going to be in 10 years?

I mean,

I think you really are playing a very key part.

Thank you.

And just,

it's about to fall.

And then I think we're, you know.

I hope so.

I mean, I hope so because it's not something.

Listen, it's not something to make fun of.

It's not something because actually people are being hurt.

You can make fun of it, Bill.

But I also want you to think about it.

I mean, the people on your show who are the ex-Scientologists, you see, it's like, wow, I didn't know there was a real world.

I want to play the Louis Armstrong song for them, what a wonderful world.

Now I can breathe and

that's so true.

We don't know this world.

So you're absolutely right.

And that's what I want to celebrate is that these people are survivors.

So thank you for doing God's work.

Thank you, my love.

So are you, my love.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you, Kara.

All right, it's time for New Rule.

Okay.

New rule.

Blend your makeup.

It's supposed to go all the way to the hairline.

Jeez, that's something you learn in your first year at Clown College.

New Roll, if you're one of the people who waited 11 hours on this Brooklyn sidewalk to buy a limited edition craft beer,

congratulations, you make Star Wars fans look cool.

At least they get to see a movie.

You just get drunk and have to stand in another line.

Neurall, just to mess with Republicans, every one of these old trucks filled with lawn equipment must be adorned with this bumper sticker.

Don't blame me, I illegally voted for Hillary 27 times.

Neurall, since Harrison Ford nearly flew his private plane into an airliner this week, it's time for him to find another useless hobby.

You're an actor, how about drugs?

Or Scientology, or colorful orphans.

If I want to die in a fiery crash with a Ford, I'll buy a Pinto.

Or look, maybe I'm wrong, and he's a great pilot, and the fault is all with his co-pilot.

Nero, rule, you can't call it the swimsuit edition when she isn't wearing a swimsuit.

Call it what it is, the I'm wearing the thing that used to hold my spider plant edition.

And finally, new rule, someone has to tell me what's magic about a capital R.

The kind that goes after your name if you're a Republican.

Because if you have one of those, you can get away with pretty much much anything when it comes to selling out, cursing out, or compromising your own country.

You know,

when it when it was Hillary Clinton with an unsecure email server, Republicans wanted to lock her up.

But President Trump still uses the unsecure Android phone he had before he got elected.

And he has been warned that with an old consumer grade phone like that, someone could easily hack into his Twitter account and start posting crazy messages.

And how would we be able to tell?

So a couple of weeks before the Super Bowl, Bill O'Reilly asked Trump why he always defended Putin, who O'Reilly said was a killer.

A reasonable question, since the last two guys who were as cozy as Putin and Trump held their bilateral talks on Brokeback Mountain.

But again, Trump took Putin's side over America saying, we got killers here too.

You think our country's so innocent?

If a Democrat said that before the Super Bowl, they would be in Guantanamo Bay by halftime.

Same as they would if they did this.

But if you have the magic R,

no problem.

Trump repeatedly said he was going to donate to military charities, then didn't, then lied about it.

He compared our intelligence agencies to Nazis.

He said McCain, who spent five years in a Vietnamese prison, wasn't a war hero because I like people who weren't captured.

I got to say to all you flag-waving right-wingers who always say, I'm not just going to stand here and let let you run down America, you're standing there and letting Trump run down America.

Donald Trump could go to the tomb of the unknown soldier and say, well, maybe if he'd done something, he wouldn't be so unknown.

And Republicans would be okay with that too.

When Trump said I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters, he wasn't making a joke.

He's never made a joke.

Unless his entire life is some sort of Andy Kaufman-style performance art, in which case, stop it.

No, he was simply stating an actual fact for once, which is, if you have the magic R

after your name, you can drive a Hummer through a daycare center

and Fox News will say the babies were asking for it.

Meanwhile, in the alternative universe where a Democrat is president, Obama once said, we have not been perfect.

And for eight years, Republicans screamed that he was on a non-stop apology tour.

They lost their shit whenever there was a picture of him committing high crimes like not having his hand over his heart during a song

or saluting with coffee in his hand, even though this guy did it with a dog.

Yeah, that guy, the one who sat frozen for seven minutes after being told the words, the country is under attack.

And Republicans defended that.

And we all just accept this.

America is the Republican Party's bitch, and they can criticize and betray her, but you can't.

Even though Obama spent two terms talking up the troops, talking up the country, how much he loved it, how in no other country is my story even possible, didn't matter.

Conservatives all nodded.

when Rudy Giuliani said, I do not believe that President Obama loves America.

As opposed to Giuliani, who happened to be mayor on 9-11, so that made him America's mayor, a hero whose great act of heroism was nothing fell on his head.

To paraphrase Donald Trump, I like mayors who don't let towers collapse.

A few weeks ago, an old but very smoking gun emerged from the Nixon era when it came out that in 1968, when President Lyndon Johnson was trying to end the war in Vietnam, candidate Richard Nixon was actively, purposefully undermining the peace talks because he wanted the war to go on so he could have it as an election issue.

You would think that the America first crowd would find that a bridge too far.

Fuck no.

Dick Cheney once outed a CIA agent just to say, fuck you to her husband.

Reagan sold weapons to Iran, the country they all want to bomb now, in brazen defiance of American law.

And instead of being impeached, he was elevated to sainthood and now rides horses in heaven with Jesus.

Why do Republicans get away with this?

Why do they have patriotic immunity?

America is like a dysfunctional family where the Democrats are the older, mature son who works hard and does everything right, but somehow is never good enough.

And the Republicans are the young asshole son who's a fuck-up, but no matter how many times he crashes the Camaro, daddy buys him a new one.

I know it's not really important like which department stores are selling Ivanka's pantyliners, but

you know,

all of America's intelligence agencies say a foreign power tampered with our election to favor the Republican, and they say also that they don't trust that Republican, our president, with our state secrets.

And yet the theme of Trump's inaugural was America first.

Please, his ego is first.

His hotels are second.

Russia's third.

I'd be surprised if America made the top 10.

Thank you very much.

That's our show.

I'll be at the Mirage in Vegas, March 10th and 11th.

I want to thank Malcolm Nance, Larry Wilmore,

the very disturbed now, Jack Kingston, Leah Remedy, and Milo Ionopoulos.

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