Overtime – Episode #685: Kid Rock, Tim Ryan, Pamela Paul

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Speaker 4 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Ma.

Speaker 4 All right, here we are.

Speaker 2 He's a rock star whose seven city tour begins in March. Kid Rock,

Speaker 2 former Ohio Congressman who chairs the Coalition Natural Allies for a clean energy drinker, Tim Rillian, and author of New York Times of Clean Encomist, Pamela Paul. Okay.

Speaker 2 Here are the questions from the people. The people.
That's who we care about. The people.
This is what they want to know. Fuck my question.

Speaker 2 How does Kid Rock celebrate Valentine's Day? Well, there we go, right on.

Speaker 2 Apparently here on real time. I was going to say

Speaker 2 But you must have something special with your special lady at some point not unless you got one at your house

Speaker 2 I don't want to pry.

Speaker 2 Should Kamala Horris run for California governor in 2026 after polls show her leading?

Speaker 2 I'm going to give that a big no.

Speaker 2 She's had the chance several times. She can run far, far away.

Speaker 2 I'm a Viragosa guy. I like Antonio Viragosa, the old mayor of LA.
Oh. I think he's terrific.
Oh, okay. I didn't know he was in the running.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think Kamala Harris would make a great president of a university.

Speaker 2 Not that she's a bad person or a bad candidate. She's smart, but you know, it didn't work.
And by the way, if she does, there would be precedent for this because Nixon,

Speaker 2 Nixon lost the White House in 1960. And then what did he do? He ran for governor of California two years later.
It would be the same scenario. And when he lost that one,

Speaker 2 that's when he said you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore.

Speaker 2 And then he was president six years later, so maybe it'll work.

Speaker 2 Kid Rock, is it true that you're planning to do a gospel album?

Speaker 2 I am.

Speaker 5 Doing a

Speaker 5 early beginnings now, doing a gospel record with my old friend Rick Rubin.

Speaker 2 Oh, Rick Rubin. Wow.

Speaker 2 Have you produced that album the raised before?

Speaker 2 Have you worked?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he did one record of mine, a record called Born Free.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I know it well. Wow.
So a gospel album. So how does that fit in with some of the songs you've had in the past? Like,

Speaker 2 I'm a low life.

Speaker 2 You wouldn't sing that song in church.

Speaker 2 Oh, I might.

Speaker 5 Really?

Speaker 5 I know the Ten Commandments pretty well. And

Speaker 5 in those commandments, I've never

Speaker 5 once seen or even heard a thought of one being, thou shalt not swear.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I'm just saying and I know this song the song is by the way I love that song and it's very funny but I'm just picturing some of those lyrics like

Speaker 2 I got kids I've never seen and their mama's 17

Speaker 2 are you gonna I mean are we gonna are we gonna be

Speaker 2 I take sugars out of breakfast you're gonna add that to my chest

Speaker 2 I know the whole song it's hysterical

Speaker 2 the president of Colombia I guess that's the country although it could be the university, recently suggested that cocaine was no worse than whiskey. Oh, it is the university.
No.

Speaker 2 It's not. And that it,

Speaker 2 wait.

Speaker 2 Wait.

Speaker 2 And that it could be sold more slave if it were illegal. Does he have a point? Cocaine was no worse.

Speaker 2 Not in my experience. Cocaine was the worst.

Speaker 5 Speaking of, do you realize what's going to happen if Trump can really, you know,

Speaker 5 which I believe he's going to do, you know, stop this flow of fentanyl coming in from China through our southern and northern borders? He's literally going to make cocaine great again.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 to me, cocaine was the worst. I mean, cocaine is just different.

Speaker 2 It just, it just, first of all, it's not cocaine. It's partly cocaine, and then it's whatever they cut it with.
And it makes you only want to do one thing, which is get more cocaine.

Speaker 2 And it

Speaker 2 never ends well. There's a brief honeymoon period, and then you're just chasing that high.

Speaker 2 And that, I only did it for like a year, and not that much, but it was a terrible year.

Speaker 2 What year was that?

Speaker 2 I'll tell you, it's a year.

Speaker 2 I think it'd be fun to like see what you were doing, you know? It was 1989.

Speaker 2 My thoughts were short. My thoughts were short.
my hair was short

Speaker 2 exactly but would you agree with that cocaine's the worst yeah I mean I managed it for you know a good number of years

Speaker 5 but you know

Speaker 5 and I knew a lot of people you know on different sides of the spectrum some people just swallowed them up And other people were able to, you know, pick their battles.

Speaker 5 I have a day off or I have a time. We're going to party a little bit.

Speaker 5 Move on with life. And that was me for

Speaker 5 a good portion of the years early in my career. I mean, mean, I am in a rock and roll band.

Speaker 5 But yeah, then it comes to an age where you're like, okay, this is no good. This is no good.

Speaker 5 And, you know, and recently I was with a young singer and she actually asked me, goes, hey, are you holding?

Speaker 2 And I'm like, what? I'm like, 54 years old.

Speaker 5 I'm like, I go, let me talk to you for a second. I go, you know, I'm not going to give you the whole, you know, preach to you right now before my gospel record's finished.
But,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 5 if you're not really,

Speaker 5 don't go down that path.

Speaker 5 I go, not only because, you know, you don't know where it's going to take you, you're kind of rolling the dice, you're playing Russian roulette, but fentanyl hasn't made it too popular of a sport.

Speaker 5 You're basically, you know, you're one.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's what she was asking you about, fentanyl?

Speaker 5 No, she was asking me for cocaine.

Speaker 2 Oh, right. And I'm like,

Speaker 5 young lady, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Let grandpa speak to you first.

Speaker 2 Words of wisdom from Tim Rock.

Speaker 5 But Tim Rock's telling you, hey,

Speaker 2 slow down

Speaker 2 it's probably a big fucking problem.

Speaker 2 But it's got to be roughly. They used to come for the sex, now they just want your drugs.
That's got to be,

Speaker 2 that would bother me a lot. All right.
Now that the Boy Scouts of America is just going by scouting. Oh, God, yes.

Speaker 2 This is right up your alley or somebody. There's Boy Scouts.
Yes, it's been in the works for years.

Speaker 2 It's such an onion headline. The whole fucking country is such an onion headline.
The Boy Scouts of America cannot be called Boy Scouts anymore because it's exclusionary.

Speaker 2 Like there isn't a Girl Scouts. Like this is some sort of crime against nature that we each...

Speaker 2 People are different. We were just talking about

Speaker 2 the first segment. We were talking about

Speaker 2 what are we giving young boys? What kind of structure? What kind of discipline? What kind of education? A lot of those projects are really difficult.

Speaker 2 I was not in the Boy Scouts, would have probably never made it. But those are difficult projects.

Speaker 2 They have to achieve. They have to put forth effort.
They have to overcome obstacles. They have to overcome failure.
That's part of maturing and becoming a full-functioning adult.

Speaker 2 And to take that away.

Speaker 2 To take that away

Speaker 2 is insane to say this is targeted towards young boys because young boys are different than young girls. And so the approach needs to be.
They think it's funny when you fart in a sleeping bay.

Speaker 2 It is. Well, I mean, girls don't.

Speaker 6 The Goy Scouts are much better than the Girl Scouts.

Speaker 6 I have to say, I understand why girls would want to be in the Boy Scouts because it's a lot more fun.

Speaker 6 The only thing, really, as a former Girl Scout, that the Girl Scouts had going for them is the cookies. And that's basically it.

Speaker 6 And the Boy Scouts are doing, like, learning skills and building wires and going to the corner.

Speaker 2 But can't they institute that curriculum in the Girl Scouts? No, that's. Yeah.
But I mean, this is the kind of thing that gets Trump elected.

Speaker 2 This is the kind, I've said it a million times here. The Democrats, you lost a crazy contest to a crazy person.

Speaker 5 We started decades ago, in my opinion. We started decades ago with timeouts and last place, you know, participation trophies.

Speaker 5 And sorry to put it so harsh, but it seems to me like we lost a good portion of a few generations of men who've just turned into complete fucking pussies.

Speaker 2 That's true. true.

Speaker 2 Happy Military's Day, everybody!

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