#353: The Gun Show

Come on, big nuts, put them on the table.

There were times I didn't have pills for two days.

I was less rabid than I just saw him.

Tell them, Steve, Dave.

Hello, and welcome to this week's edition of Tell'em Steve Dave, the PG-13 version, because we're doing this while the store is still open.

There is no BQ, but a huge plus.

There is a Sunday Jeff.

Sunday Jeff.

Haven't seen him in a while.

No, or heard.

Yeah, you've been

missing from everybody's been missing you from the poker table, Sunday Jeff.

I'm back.

So now everybody can

back, baby.

We took a popular vote, tell them Steve Dave, and it was two against one.

We kicked Q out for the day, and

Sunday Jeff is in.

So

Vegas, huh?

Oh, the shooting.

Yeah.

I only have two thoughts on it that anybody would really want to hear, maybe.

One,

don't count on it.

I think these are easily.

Don't count on anybody wanting to hear anything, any of your thoughts.

Valid Johnson points out.

It's easy to agree.

I think it's easy to agree to these.

One, calling people Trump tards.

I'm not offended.

But how do people not, like the enlightened people, how do they not see that as like, well, basically you're just replacing Rhee with Trump and

calling him a retard.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

I haven't heard of that yet.

You haven't heard people

calling people who, I guess, voted for Trump they're Trump tards.

No, I haven't heard that.

Yeah.

The lady

who got fired from CBS, I think that's what she had called.

She's like a, hold on a second.

I'll find that.

Oh, okay.

Okay, so what so what do you so what is it your point though?

My point is that do they not see that as offensive?

Because I know they're very concerned with offending everyone.

Somebody thought it was offensive that they fired a lady on the news.

That's what I mean.

I don't think she was a newscaster, though.

I think she was just a fire.

She was like an executive or something.

Her deeply regrettable post, which I'm sure everyone has.

You only regret it when you get fired.

Oh, yeah.

That's when you get fired.

You're like, wait, can I apologize?

You're like, that's not going to fucking cut it, man.

It's too late.

Hey, PG-13.

That's not going to cut it.

Oh, yeah.

That is PG-13 for me.

Okay, so that's okay.

So that we're like.

Who first?

cursed?

I didn't?

No, he didn't.

That's not going to last too long.

It's weird Sunday, Jeff.

I have an uncanny ability not to curse while we're filming Comic Book Men, but I can't stop myself when we're doing Tom Steve.

It's so true, right?

I don't know why that is, though.

It's the aura.

I think because the aura of the aura of what?

The aura of

your buddy over there across the way.

He's there right next to me while we're doing Comic Book Men, but I never feel the need to curse.

But yet it seems as soon as I'm done with CBM and if I go right to the podcast, it's like Fs are dropping out of my mouth like flies.

F-bombs.

No beeps at all?

They never call it you?

And they're like, I don't know, brother.

I mean, if I've got a hat, first I've done it on purpose on compliment, and knowing full well that they wouldn't use it, and I've done it.

But no, I never slipped.

It's weird.

But anyway, back to

just patting myself on the back.

It's all right.

Don't pat, don't

it?

It's impressive, I gotta say, to watch.

Okay, she said that I'm not even sympathetic

because country music fans are often Republican gun-toters.

So you don't care that 60 people died because

they might have voted differently than you, and they might own a gun.

Ideology, and

let's stop with that.

It's both sides,

which leads people who are in the middle

lost.

If you're in the center, you are just, you have nobody, you have no no party.

You have nobody looking out for you.

The center is

an invisible place.

Both sides are absolutely repulsive when something like this happens because

one side calling people like they don't, there's no sympathy for people who are innocently mowed down.

And then the other side is just like, well, we're not going to, let's not talk about guns control now.

And like, it just shows you.

I agree with that, though.

It's just like the bullets have barely stopped flying, and everyone's like, gun control and and they get all worked up about it well why not when there's the why is that not when is the time then let's know when the time is in when's the time okay two weeks from now but let's schedule it then because it's always never the time if it wasn't the time after they shot all those kids in

sandy hook i agree then there's never a time but i thought this was literally literally dude

moments moments after it happened it doesn't matter but it does matter because it's based on emotion nobody everybody's basing their their like their opinions on emotion and if and if it was

And if it was a foreigner who did it, you don't think that the right would be like, well, it's time for that travel van?

That would be the right time to mention it then, right?

I mean,

did they travel from, look at them handing out money and shit.

Where's mine, bitch?

There would be no doubt about it that the right side would be like, would be, would start banging the drum for the travel van.

Ban, the travel ban.

I feel bad when I don't disagree with you because you don't like, because you're like, you're ready to come after me.

And I'm like, but I agree with you.

Almost got you cursing already.

There is no doubt.

I always thought that there was nothing more than that there's nothing more that Americans love more than their phones.

But I was wrong.

A fucking America loves their fucking guns more than they love their phones.

That is without a doubt.

I mean, it is bizarre how just like you can have people

mow down children.

And they're still like, nope,

we don't want to change anything.

Keep it status quo.

Well, in that situation in the Sandy Hook shooting,

I would blame more than Adam Lanza, the guy who did the shooting, I blame his mother.

Because this fucking person

more if they took it talking about a fucking guy who is clearly mentally ill and the stupid cunt of a mother,

I don't care.

I'm going X on this.

Leaves the guns within reach of this kid.

I'm not locked up.

If you have a kid, and like nobody wants to be like, oh, my kid's fucked up.

But if you have a kid who's putting newspaper over his windows and will only communicate with you through email, your kid's fucked up and you need help for him.

Just lock the guns up.

It's as simple as just locking them up.

But, okay, so, but you don't agree that there needs to be more.

Well, this guy didn't have any problems, right?

Why isn't there a challenge?

But there should be more background checks.

More mental, you got to look into it.

Oh, go through a psychovow and something is a very good thing.

But then where do you draw that line?

Again, I don't disagree, but where do you draw the line between like, all right, well, this person has anxiety.

Yeah, I don't know.

There has to be something.

If you can live with yourself, because when the bottom line is

the NRA owns

so many fucking congressmen and women that

nothing will ever change

because they are so powerful.

I don't understand, though.

How does a guy get like 10 suitcases?

That's what I know.

How do you go up there with rifles?

Did you pull those rifles?

You put them in a gun.

You put them in a suitcase.

Yeah, but it's not like it would be light.

It's too long.

They're not like take-aparts like dirty hair.

Probably suitcases are on wheels.

Did he really think he was going to last that long in a standoff that you needed 10 suitcases for?

Like, that's an optimistic thing.

You can only shoot one of it at a time, anyways.

Would you need them all?

I don't know.

You were talking about a dude whose

brain was on another level.

Well, that's the other thing.

They always say, well, they're trying to find the motive.

There is no motive when you do something like that.

You're not.

There's something wrong with you.

But people just want to know.

That was his reason.

What was it?

He's got no reason.

You got to cry out, though.

I do believe you have to figure out what it was.

You need some sort of.

It's not resolution.

A human being needs to know why.

Yeah, you have to be able to frame it in a way that you're like, I just need to understand.

Like a terrorist who's blowing up people, you're like, okay, well, it's because of his ideology.

It's because of this religion.

A guy like this, like a lone wolf type, who, you know, despite ISIS trying to claim him or whatever, you're like, okay, well, was he crazy?

And the way crazier guy is the brother.

If you watch the interviews with that motherfucker.

Oh, dude, you got to watch it.

He's crazier?

It is so weird.

Is he just in shock, though?

No, it's like you were talking to him just like, you know, just like a buddy on the street or whatever.

He's just like

the way he's

like so much emotion, but not like crying.

If you ask me a question, he's like looking around.

He's like,

you know,

he was just a regular guy.

He's just a regular guy, man.

He's just like, you know, just talking just with a little enthusiasm.

It wasn't like.

It's almost like a cartoonish version of somebody lying.

Like, if you were to

be as cartoonish as you can about lying, it would be this guy.

Apparently.

Then you heard about the dad, the father of this dude?

He was on the FBI's.

No, he was on the FBI's most wanted.

I did hear that, yeah.

He was a bank robber.

I did hear that.

I mean.

Okay, so you have some pieces, and now at least, you know, some things in the family.

Still things in the family.

I think, though, that like,

I don't know.

I think that there's probably some.

But he was like 60-something years old, though, with this guy, too.

It's just like, why, all of a sudden, why?

Why do you just.

Something happened.

Something snapped.

But it's not like, you know what?

It's not like James Huberty is a guy who, like, if you remember the like Sany Sidro or San Yosidro or whatever, McDonald's back in the 80s was a guy who went and shot up a McDonald's.

This is a dude who like slowly broke and then went to a McDonald's with

a gun and started taking people out.

To have 10 suitcases full of guns, to go to Vegas, check in, get room service, assemble your guns, make sure the fucking trigger locks are off, like all that shit, like all those steps to get to a point where you're like, all right, now I'm going to start killing people, to me is not like a break.

It's a plan, you know?

What's the problem?

Like, why have a hotel room if you're going to kill yourself?

I mean, why would you have to kill yourself?

Yeah, if you're going to talk, get him, you got to to get on Mike.

And not Mike's episode.

I don't know.

I just think I just find it so frustrating to be in a center, in the center of all this and not be on either side.

And just to hear the rhetoric that's spewed out by both sides.

Both sides, yeah.

It's so like...

Well, people are like, you shouldn't have access to machine guns.

It's like, you don't even know what kind of gun he used.

And

I think it turned out to not be a machine gun.

Machine guns are banned.

You can't buy a machine gun.

Semi-automatics, you can't.

You can't buy a machine.

You can't buy a machine gun.

You need a special license, and it's like it's a couple thousand dollars for the license.

What would you need one for?

What would any person need with a machine gun for?

I'm not sure what the need is, but there's places that have machine gun shoot-offs.

They go out in the middle of the desert, and they have these.

I don't care.

There's no reason that anybody, any civilian, should have a machine gun.

You don't use it for hunting.

It's not a practical weapon.

But I think the thing is, like, I want to do it for fun.

This is fun to me.

Or if you're a collector.

That's a little.

I can't wrap my head around around anybody who finds fun in

guns.

But I was thinking

they are fun at times.

I got to tell you.

Texas Tower, who was that?

Charles Whitman.

Charles Whitman, I would say he pretty much planned his whole

brought up food.

Yeah, he brought up food.

Well, he's the first one, right?

He's the first spree killer.

I don't know if he's the first.

I'm not.

Is he the first spree killer?

I think in America, yeah.

Well, no, because it was the guy who blew up the school.

Would that be considered a spree killing?

Wait, back in the 20s?

Yeah.

No.

He blew it up, though, but not with a going, not going up with a rifle and just taking people.

Are you saying spree because he killed his mother beforehand or his girlfriend?

All right, what difference does it make?

What difference does it make why I said spree?

He's making fine distinctions between rampage spree.

No, I'm just saying is that it's like Starkweather and Carol Ann Fugue, they were like spree killers where it's like, bang, you hit these guys and you're driving a while, bang, like natural-born killers thing, kind of.

But you remember when in the summertime there was a congressman who was shot on a baseball field, a softball field.

Yeah, the guy.

That dude was on TV last night going, like, doesn't change my, just doesn't change my thinking about the way things should be.

And I'm like,

how could it not?

How?

Because his wallet is fucking weighing him down.

So he's the opposite of breeds.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is, man.

Money.

It all comes down to money, man.

Nobody wants restrictions.

If you're in the gun industry, if you're in the NRA, nobody wants to do a restrict because it all comes down to fucking money.

That's more important than people's lives.

But I don't know that everyone in the NRA is against, like, like totally against any sort of

laws or restrictions being put in place.

Like, I don't know that that's the case.

It sure sounds like people in the NRA.

It sure sounds like.

I'm an NRA member, and I just...

It sounds like

I'm at the spokesman for the people, for their, for their spokesperson.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

They're never going to, yeah, they'll never say that.

They'll never be like, you know what?

We do need sensible people.

Their spokespeople, to people.

Their mouthpieces come out, and you're just like,

you're just like, what planet are you from?

Right.

They're like Planet NRA, where we're lobbying and making money, bitch.

Yeah,

planet, like as much cash as possible.

And it doesn't matter.

Like, it doesn't matter if

a classroom of kids are mowed down.

It doesn't matter.

It's still, nothing can change

their point of view.

Well, they're also like, I mean, you're talking about changing

a fundamental right that's a part of the Constitution

that should not be, you know,

fucking

in Constitution.

Yeah, but when that's written, though,

right, 1790 was

they didn't have the guns they have today.

You're talking about something that you're putting one bullet in.

They didn't have people speaking the way they speak now.

So you'd remember that.

But you also have people, there was no law enforcement like there is today.

There's people robbing your houses, taking your horses.

It's a different time.

What do you mean they didn't have people speaking out?

Taking your horses, but they didn't have people.

The old English at all?

No, they didn't have people speaking out, so let's remove the First Amendment, the freedom of speech.

You know, it's very of the same thing.

What it means they have people speaking the way they do now.

How are they speaking now?

Speaking out the way they do now,

burning flags and such like that.

You're saying that if you repeal one amendment, what about these others?

You are going to repeat the same thing.

We've amended them before, though.

I know now we've got all these women voting and shit.

We've made amendments that were proper,

right?

We've added

it's already been amended.

I don't think we've changed basic things like the, you know,

freedom of speech, search and seizure,

all those others.

If you're going to change one, then

it's inviting changing these other ones.

I think we know what the answer is.

So

you don't want to see

way stricter gun control?

Tread lightly, do you?

I'm not sure if we would stop anything.

I mean, you had

those people shot in England at the Ariana Grande concert, and England is very famous for its tough gun laws.

So is France.

You're not allowed to own the gun laws.

And the p some of the police don't even have guns.

And meanwhile,

if you outlaw guns, the only people, anyone who has a gun is going to be an outlaw.

And

where is this one instance where the civilian who,

the guy who did have a gun, is there any point you can point to, any time, any instance where a crazed gunman had a gun and was going crazy and there was somebody who happened to have a gun?

I don't have any.

I don't have anything else to do.

They all would love to point that out.

But where is that one time where that actually happened, though?

I don't know off the top of my head.

I'm sure sure there are cases.

What about that Luby's massacre?

A restaurant?

In Texas, you know.

A restaurant?

Yeah, I'm just going to say it does

familiar.

How many times do you hear on the news that somebody shot somebody coming into their house for robbery?

You know what doesn't happen?

Yeah, it's not.

I don't hear it on the news.

It doesn't really happen.

You know, I mean, that would be the right for me to bear arms.

There are some places in America where, by law, to live there, you have to have a gun.

Where?

Nope.

Lubies guy shot himself.

What town is that in?

If you want to live here, you have to have a gun?

Yeah.

Okay.

Where is that?

I can look it up, but it's because

go ahead.

Please.

Stop talking and go look it up.

I want to be a machine gun head.

I'm going to the fuck out of here.

I knew it.

I knew we shouldn't have given an opinion.

Turned the internet off.

The computer's not working, Chief.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know.

It's just so nasty.

We actually have to watch it.

I think New Jersey has one of the strictest gun laws in the country.

They do.

But even if you don't have, people get them illegally.

Well, that's the problem.

I think I talked about this earlier on the show, a different episode, where some guy was on parole or some shit, and he thought that a gang was going to fucking come and get him.

So he bought an illegal gun, and then his, and he tells the kids for whatever reason, don't touch these guns.

They were like six and three or something.

on top of the refrigerator, which they never would have known they were there probably.

So, of course, when the guy goes out and his wife isn't there and the kid goes up, it's the gun.

He shoots the other kid.

Now, in a situation where it's like all guns are illegal, that's still happening.

Well, I didn't say all guns should be illegal.

I believe that.

No, maybe

it's not a problem.

I mean, like,

you should have to go through more than

what you go through now.

And maybe even on a regular league basis, you have to go for a psychedelic.

I don't know.

I don't know what problem.

You know what?

I know politicians will do that.

The same reason they don't do driver's licenses for old people, because it's like, do you know how much, how many votes I'll lose?

Like, that's a hard fucking stance to take.

But this is a stance, though, that, like, how much blood and innocent lives have to be lost before you would look at something like that.

Like, you need, I think, to have a weapon of that, you need to.

Like, what would be a good time frame?

Like, every 10 years, you've got to go for an evaluation to see if you're.

Can you imagine being told you're not?

You don't meet, you haven't, you didn't pass, you have to turn your gun in?

Yeah, it's

I mean, it depends.

It depends on like, then again, what are the

what is it's like, well, I get the blues once in a while.

It's like, boom, no gun for you.

It's like, then you're restricting it, and people will lie.

People are just going to lie.

I know, but there's some people, though, that

if

they get a strict enough test, you can tell.

You know, even if they're lying, you can tell.

It's like an anger test, trying to see how fast they get pushed and see how they're going to be able to get it.

Like Kenneth Bianchi, one of the Hillside Stranglers, tried that.

And then there was like one guy who was like, this motherfucker's lying.

Like he was playing split personality.

Oh, no, no, I don't mean, I'm talking about if you're trying to lie so you can, let's say in this world we live in where you have to have,

you have to go for every couple years to make sure you're still

deemed

deemed competent to own a gun.

You might lie to try to make yourself seem more competent.

But I think that a good idea.

Where you could do the damage in between the 10 years.

Yeah, I know.

There's no way it's a very difficult thing to stop.

But at the same time, it's like if it doesn't mean that

you're not competent to own a gun because you have

anxiety, like social anxiety once a while.

Like you have social anxiety.

I wouldn't be like, he's a fucking incompetent.

He shouldn't have a gun.

That wouldn't be enough, I don't think.

I would think that you would need a professional, a board, like a psychiatrist to come up with a criteria.

Who's paying for all this shit, too?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, my God, though, I mean, the NRA could fucking pay for it.

They got enough money.

They don't want to.

That's the exact opposite.

That could be a determined for somebody, again, because some of those evaluations are expensive.

But then you're going to get people fake, no, people know, like, I'm not going to pass inspection this year on my car.

I can bring it to this garage, and for an extra 20 bucks, they'll slap a A-O-K sticker on it.

You would start to get an environment and a thing.

The point being is that, like, if somebody wants to own a gun, they're going to do it.

They're going to do it regardless.

I don't think so.

I think there's plenty of people who, like, if they couldn't get it,

they're not going to go to the black market.

There's just a lot of people who just would never do it.

And there's a lot of people who would.

Those people are called criminals.

Okay, where's the city?

This is five, at least five cities.

There are many cities that require you to own a gun.

By law, and if you don't have a gun, you can be arrested.

Is it Detroit?

No, I'm sure they can probably

be Kenneshaw, Georgia, Nelson, Georgia,

Newclass, Colorado, Gun Barrel City, Texas, and Virgin, Utah.

Okay, what what are the reasons?

What are the reasons?

A lot of the reasons I've seen for these things is that the police

are spread so thin.

Oh, so they're basically deputies.

No, no, they're saying it's in order to protect yourself, and or in some cases, it was if we have wild animals, there's no one there to take care of them.

Put them down?

You'd be able to put them down if you're being attacked or something.

They pass these ordinances and these.

How many wild animals are there in that Georgia City?

What's the population of these towns, too?

That's what I want to know.

Let's see.

I never, did you hear?

Nuclear Colorado has 700 people and they.

Nuclear Colorado?

N-U-C-L-A.

They passed what they call the Home Protection Ordinance in 2013.

But it says here they don't actually enforce it.

So basically, they have no law enforcement.

It's basically left up to you.

It's what it sounds like.

It spreads so thin in a lot of these places because you have a sheriff, and your sheriff will be patrolling.

So this would be like if Mayberry existed, Mayberry would be

a candidate for a town that would be like, you know what, we may only have two law enforcement officers.

So Otis would have a gun.

I don't know if Otis would have a gun because he did have an extensive criminal history of drunken disorderly.

And it is illegal.

It is illegal.

Lloyd the barber

would be carrying him while he's cutting your hair.

Yeah.

I wouldn't

pack him.

It'd be a far different Andy Griffith show if that was the case.

No, I don't believe so because it's not like they're whipping him out.

Everybody

has got a thigh holster on.

Well, she's got a shotgun.

I could be wrong, but I believe Ohio is an open-carry state where you're allowed to go walking out in public with the gun as long as it's completely out in the open.

Florida is like that, too, I think.

You don't think, though, that if you're watching a television show and every single character is carrying a gun, you don't think that, like.

I did watch that.

It was called Marcos.

Deadlin?

But

you don't think it would change the flavor of the show if, like, especially a light-hearted show like that, if every single character.

Oh, it has a revolver.

Every single character has a gun?

And they're not using it.

It's just in every scene.

Every character has a gun on.

I think if it was in every scene like that and not really addressed, it would just sort of like flow.

It'd be called gun smoke.

Wow.

Wow.

I don't know.

You have all those Westerns back in the day, and everyone always has a gun on.

To me, it feels like one of those ordinances that's like you can't walk a horse down Main Street on Sunday between the hours of one and three kind of laws.

Like you're never going to enforce that law that every resident must have a gun.

I don't know.

It said the ones said that they don't enforce it.

So for at least that one town,

they don't enforce it by the sound of it.

There's also.

What was the second thing?

You said you wanted to say two things.

Still on the first one.

The first one, yeah.

The first one was the Trump target.

The Trump target.

Now,

do you.

As the father of a retarded girl?

No, but

I was not going to say that.

But I was going to say, as somebody who's

who deals with a special needs family member, does that.

I know you don't get it?

I don't think you get offended, but you get angry at things.

Yeah, I don't get offended.

I get angry.

This is not something that makes me angry.

I just think there's a hypocrisy there.

Yeah.

Where people are so fucking like

up on you about the word you use and what you say.

And then they're like, they call them Trump Tards.

Like it's nothing.

Like if you refer to someone as a him,

you just assume they're a gender and they get so upset over it.

And then meanwhile they're calling someone retard and they're supposed to be a target.

No, no, retard.

A Trump tard, but it's

a good idea.

That's what you are.

It's a combination of two words.

Trump tard.

All right, and the second thing?

The second thing is the.

I'm not a Trump fan.

I think it's like from the outside, it's amazing to watch a person.

Because we were talking about this earlier.

It's like a sitcom.

Well, not even a sitcom.

It's like a skit.

A guy who will.

Yeah, like if you were like, it's the world's worst president on SNL.

It would be like,

his mannerisms, it would be what he says.

His attitude, his demeanor.

Oh my God.

Like him tweeting something about warmest condolences is like,

it's hard to believe this guy has an ounce of warmth in him.

No.

You know, like he's like we were talking about the paper tell Chuck and the way he's throwing it, it's just like

you're not, if you're out there like pressing the flesh and shit, like you're kissing babies or you're like shaking hands, but this is his version of it.

Yeah, he doesn't know how to be empathetic.

and convey his passion.

It hasn't been prepped.

Which I guess is not,

which

throughout history has been an important aspect of what we've expected from our leaders in times of like

Obama.

Obama tweeted something, and you're like, I believe that guy.

I believe that.

It's hardfelt.

You feel like it's hardfelt.

It may not be.

It may just be political.

You know what, though?

But he doesn't undo the damage then a couple hours later by tweeting something like going after somebody for

he was the

tweets, that's me, that should be shut down, his tweets.

I believe Obama was the first president that had Twitter, right?

Yeah.

Because I think Clinton was the first one that had email, and he only sent like two emails.

He only sent two emails during Nova Scotia.

He sent some bad emails?

No, Clinton, he said.

No, Bill Clinton was the first person.

But he only sent two during his whole entire time in the office.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Like, one was to the space shuttle, and I forget what the other one was to.

Probably to Monica burned that dress.

Hillary Clinton is fucking amazing, where you watch her and you look at the people that are still ardent Hillary supporters.

And someone who, within one tweet,

right after it happens, is like, let's not politicize this, but can you believe the NRA

wants to legalize silencers, which would make it harder for people to hear the gunshots, and more people would have been killed?

It's like, you're totally speculating, and

you're contradicting yourself in the same tweet.

Yeah, but that thing that he used, though, that that thing to make it an automatic?

Yeah, it's called some kind of butt stock or something.

That's crazy that he's aware of it.

Yeah, the butt stock is like or I thought it was like a hellfire trigger where it'll turn

what it does is it just

spins the gun.

No, this is a bump.

It clicks on and then the recoil makes your finger hit it supposedly quicker.

I, from what I heard, I thought he was using sometimes they have the

it's almost like a gatling.

Well the hellfire trigger is something you put right on the trigger guard and it spins and what it does it'll keep hitting the trigger trigger for you.

But then you have to have magazines that are like.

How does the NRA justify that a piece of equipment?

Well, the bump guard I know is legal because your finger is still on the trigger.

It's nothing, nothing else is hitting the trigger except for your finger.

What's the purpose to have it, though?

Yeah.

What would be the purpose to have it?

I'm not sure.

I've never really been able to do that.

But maybe if you're like, it could be, I mean, look.

Technically, they could be like, well, it's for sportsmanship.

Like, if you have to, like, you ever see people that, like, they ski?

I don't know.

I can't remember what this is.

But yeah, but that's where they start

hitting targets as they're skipping.

But those are 22s.

Those are 22s.

They only shoot one shot.

And those are sports no one cares about.

Right.

So

let's not sit there and try to say, well, these people need this.

These athletes who do this sport need this.

America doesn't care about that sport.

You know, we need a devil's advocate at this table at all times, right?

If I just agree with everything you're saying,

I'm just telling you.

But it's like, stop, just stop with the bullish.

Everybody's full of shit.

Everybody.

And like I said, there's like, for people who aren't right or left, who are in the center, it's a mad world, man.

You're a mad world that's like...

There's two sides that are both like, I'm right and I'm sane.

And you're like, no, you're not.

Like, neither of you.

You're watching two mad dogs go at each other

and

destroy, try to destroy each other every single day,

every minute of every single day.

And

for people who aren't aligned with either side, or just like, what do they do?

How do they just go about their day?

You just got to be like, fuck it.

And just turn it off and be like,

because nobody in the center will ever win.

Nobody in the center will ever control anything.

You're fucking Switzerland, man.

You either got to fucking

commit to a side or fuck you.

But the thing that gave everybody, I think a lot of people hope

was the fact that an outsider won.

And it still gives you hope.

Maybe there's a chance that not this guy, but maybe

in the future, maybe there will be an outsider who can win who's not,

you know,

a walking fucking who isn't trying to dig up his fucking Jewish heritage and use it against him in the fucking elections like Hillary did to Bernie.

Just an outsider to get in

who doesn't have

ties to

everybody who's bought.

Everybody who's every fucking person is bought and paid for, man.

I feel like

Trump is that.

You're talking about all the congressmen and all the congresswomen.

They're all bought and paid for.

Every one of them.

You know what you might like if you watch it, House of Cards?

House of Cards is pretty interesting.

Has Kevin Spacey in it.

And essentially, it's about this guy who is

like a

Senate whip or whatever and eventually becomes the

president.

Spoil alerts.

It's pretty interesting to watch all that slimy Washington shit go on and people who are like, hey, man, attach this to your fucking

whatever, this bill, or next time I'm not going to vote for it.

It's so

bunch of drunks, hit and debaucherous scumbags.

I mean, it's like politicians and lawyers are

very, they are hard to pass for human at a time.

Have you ever have you heard of Trey Gowdy?

I think he's a senator in one of the pictures.

I've heard that name.

I can't remember.

You should watch some of his videos on YouTube.

They're not his, but it's like videos of him on YouTube.

They call it like Gowdy porn because he will dismantle anyone using logic in like less than 60 seconds.

Like less than 60 seconds.

It's fun to watch somebody go in there not as prepared as him and just watch him destroy them.

Because usually it's some bullshit and he's like, like this is nonsense.

Like he's he's very practical in his approach and stuff.

Are you a fan of his, or are you saying he's just like too much?

No, I like him.

I like him.

And who does he represent?

I think I can't remember.

I can't remember what state it is.

It wouldn't really, you know, it doesn't affect us, but it's just interesting to watch somebody,

you know, like a politician, be like, this is bullshit.

Here's why it's bullshit.

Get the fuck out of here.

Trey Gaudy,

American attorney, politician.

He's an attorney and a politician.

Attorney, politician, a former prosecutor.

So, you know, he's for justice.

Are all prosecutors for justice?

That's another even bigger question.

Well, not to a side justice.

Sometimes you see some of the shit prosecutors do.

You're like, oh my God, you're worse than the criminal, man.

You're like making shit up.

You're hiding evidence.

All kinds of shit.

Which they do.

He's in South Carolina.

He's a U.S.

representative for South Carolina.

Yeah, but is he a Republican or Democrat?

Republican.

Republican.

All right, man.

I don't want to talk about it anymore.

Well, I didn't even even get to my second point.

Oh, I thought you did make your second point.

Yeah, I'm like, Trump's an idiot.

But as

disgusting as Trump is, honestly, I think more disgusting are people who tweeted that

they were happy

that people who voted for Trump, because of course everyone at this concert did, were killed.

There were so many tweets from people that you saw like,

good, good.

That's CBS exec.

She said that they're probably Trump fans because they listen to country music.

Right.

Yeah, or Trump voters or whatever.

Listen to country music.

Because they listen to country music.

It's so gross.

It's fucking disgusting.

I read that shit.

That made me mad.

That makes me mad.

And it doesn't matter if

it's country music or fucking, like, nobody would say that if it was rap, where it's like, hey, man, they probably didn't vote because it's a bunch of fucking black people.

So who cares if they got killed?

What the fuck?

Like, what is wrong with you?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

It's terrible.

But it's getting to the point, though, where it's making me just as angry to hear people go, our thoughts and prayers, our hopes and prayers.

I'm sick of it.

They sort of felt

sick of hearing about it.

Did you see that Jesselnik bit about that?

No.

He comes out and he says, the reason.

Jasmine Jesselnik is a comedian.

He's a comedian.

And he's like, the reason people do that is because they want to remind you that they're there.

Like, something bad happened, but hey, I'm still here and I have something to say about this.

Like, no, the thoughts and prayers are doing nothing for these people.

The people who are gone and the people

who now have to live their lives with

unimaginable injuries and who are going to carry this with them.

I mean,

you're acknowledging the people who got fucking shot.

Think about that ripple effect of like, oh my God, my uncle, my grandfather, my mom.

Like,

I read the list of people who got killed.

It's like this lady worked with special needs kids.

It's like, this girl just graduated high school and she's going to college.

It's like, these people deserve to die.

Why?

Because they fucking, they may have voted for somebody that you didn't vote for.

Which is your right.

Yeah.

Their only crime was liking country music enough to go to a concert in Vegas.

That was it.

That's it.

I don't understand how anybody could be that idle.

Their

ideology could be so strong that they lose their humanity.

They're lost in their ideology.

They're humanity.

Those are Antifa pussies.

They're the same way.

Like these are, you see the Antifa fags, and you're like, these guys are all fucking skinny little motherfuckers who wear masks.

These are the fucking guys who got bullied in high school.

And now that they're in a big group, they can turn around and fucking fight each other.

I don't even know what this is.

Antifa, these are the

ultra-liberal fucking people who are always rioting and shit.

Oh, no.

I saw

they hand out flyers now at their protests.

Anti-fascist is what it.

Yeah.

They hand out

at their protests telling people not to take pictures of the other, like the press and media not to take pictures of them because it may endanger them by taking photos of them.

They should be endangered.

If you're wearing a mask and you're punching people, which I know is like the new thing where it's like, punch a Nazi.

But Nazi has...

The definition of Nazi

has been broadened to the point where it's like...

where like the slightest fucking conservative belief will

will brand you a Nazi.

If you don't agree with them, you're a a Nazi.

Even though something like that, that's what I'm talking about.

There's no room.

Where do you go if you're not on either side, though?

What do you do?

You just have a CSD town, man.

Where do you go?

Where do you go?

I mean, it's just.

Population's been growing.

It's a terrible, terrible feeling to not be aligned with either side because you,

I don't know.

You know what isn't a terrible world.

It's disheartening.

I'll tell you, Walt.

Oh, a Casper?

And that is a Casper mattress.

That is an awesome.

It's the softest mattress in the world.

They're a sleep brand that created an outrageously comfortable mattress sold directly to consumers, eliminating commission-driven inflated prices.

It's award-winning sleep design.

It was developed in-house.

The mattress industry for too long have forced consumers into paying notoriously high markups.

Yes.

Not get them so much.

They've forced nothing on him.

Casper is revolutionizing the mattress industry by cutting the cost of dealing with.

I mean, did they really...

I guess for mattresses, they did.

I've had a history of

coming down in some of the sponsors.

Do you know?

So without a doubt, I can say wholeheartedly, this is one of the few sponsors that I can say, like...

I love this.

You didn't just get it for free.

I love this product.

I purchased this product.

I purchased multiple Casper mattresses,

at at least four now.

Flanagan approved.

Yeah, they.

That's what you do when you got that kind of money.

Like, you don't build pillow forts anymore.

You let your kids build mattress forts.

They're sleeping on their kids.

He's got a bunch of princes.

Yeah, they're closing to the ceiling.

His daughters are princesses.

There's like a P at the bottom of 20 Casper.

My girls deserve a mattress.

They deserve a Casper mattress.

I mean, I didn't, I mean.

They're white.

I mean, come on.

Oh, man.

Like, that's what you're supposed to do for your kids.

Like, I didn't have a Casper growing up.

I'm sure you didn't have a Casper growing up, Jeff.

But that's what you're supposed to do.

You're supposed to make your children's lives are supposed to be better than your life, the way you live, right?

That's what you're supposed to do.

Sure, it was of indeterminate origin.

I just remember it always being there and always being a kind of springy shit.

In fact, it may have been a box spring.

I don't even know if it was a mattress.

I mean, I tell my wife when she was like, Are you sure you want to buy the girls these high-end mattresses?

And I'm like, What are we, Samali?

I go, First off, it's not, it feels high-end, but it doesn't cost high-end.

Right.

And they deserve it.

She's like, My my man.

Can you come out from under the Casper when you say that?

Literally.

What's the code?

That's the most important thing, right?

I know.

The code is really what we're all about, which is: okay, you're going to get $50 towards any mattress purchase by visiting www.casper.com/slash T-E-S-D.

Use the promo code T-E-S-D.

It's obsessively engineered.

It's given to you at a shockingly fair price.

So if you use the promo code T-E-S-D, what do you get again?

You're going to get $50 towards any mattress purchase.

That is good.

And

I know

it's not a purchase people make on a weekly basis.

So if anybody happens to need a mattress or is looking to upgrade their mattress, we do appreciate it if you use the code.

And even if you don't try it.

If you just try it, I think we'll use it.

You've got 100 nights.

Get it for 100 nights, send it back.

I don't think you're going to want to send it back.

But two to ten I'm not saying do it.

If you're in the market for a mattress, you're going to go into it.

Try it at least.

If you can't afford the mattress originally,

you're going to be like, I'm keeping it.

It's pretty sweet.

I'd rather be in debt.

I'd rather have people call on me.

There's been times when I'm at work when I actually think about my mattress.

I know that sounds like a lie.

I know that sounds crazy.

You'll see the people you work with.

They have to be sleepy, too.

I'm like, I go, oh man, I can't wait to get home.

And let's say I want to add something on the DVR that I saved.

I want to watch watch an episode of Columbo.

Like, I'm going to get it.

I saved it from 1972.

And I'm going to watch that Columbo on my Casper.

And I know it's going to be a good evening.

Put my hat on.

Walk with the camera.

So, yeah.

So even though you appear annoyed by your decision at this point, you want to get him to sit down.

Yeah, because we were talking about something today, and I want to bounce it off Sunday, Jeff, because he's a fan.

Oh, I got something else to it.

Please remind me.

Go ahead.

No, no, no.

I want to hear yours first.

Yeah, alright, that's a good idea.

Favorite band growing up?

It's probably KISS.

Okay.

I would have to concur.

Favorite band growing up, KISS.

I still remain a Kiss fan,

but it becomes harder and harder every day to be a Kiss fan when you see some of the things that they're announcing.

Giddam

hyped me today, or not hyped me, but what's the word?

Clued me in on a 411 and a 911.

Yeah, Gene Simmons.

That's only because Mike clued me in.

Gene Simmons is now offering.

Get him.

Explain to him what Gene Simmons is now offering.

Without offering so many irrelevant details all the time.

Who gives a fuck if Mike told you?

Like where you got the information does not matter.

Keep it simple, stupid.

Yes.

It is a thing called The Vault.

It is 150 previously unreleased studio sessions with Gene Simmons and famous songwriters and former band members.

Some KISS band members are also on these songs.

150 songs that span 50 years of his life comes in

a real vault

looking thing.

I don't know if it's

38 pounds.

I'm not sure if that's for every tier.

You get a vault.

Okay.

You get a vault.

Definitely.

It's 10 CDs in the vault.

You get a little figurine of a gene.

You get a book.

How many pages?

150 pages?

It said it was 160 pictures and 50,000 words.

It never actually says.

Okay, so it looks like an old-timey safe, kind of

is what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Little thing, a gene, the CDs.

It looks like a medallion, like a challenge.

Yes, you get a medallion.

You get a medallion with that.

Do you, since it seems like you know what I'm talking about, do you know the price tag?

No, I know that I think there's also one where he'll actually personally deliver it to you if I'm a phone.

Do you know the price tag of the personally?

Well, there's different tiers.

How much is just, I couldn't even say, but I'm saying how much is just for the vault.

The regular one that you could possibly buy?

I don't know if these are strictly limited online or are these actually going to be, you know, how many are they limited to each one?

We don't know the exact limited numbers.

At least 500.

There's at least 500

from what we've gleaned from the website.

That are just basically just the.

No, there's 500 vaults.

He's produced 500 vaults.

He's pretty limited for a Kiss fan.

And that's got nothing to do with him.

Just the lowest tier.

Just to own the vault, own the book, own this 10 CDs, own the little figurine, own the medallion.

Own jeans, I would say probably about five grand.

You forgot that

Morgan.

You can pick it up if he's performing within 500 miles of you.

He will hand it to you if you go to the concert or wherever.

Is that an extra fee or not?

No, that's covered under the lowest tier.

It's two grand.

Okay.

Two grand.

Then he'll come to your house for five grand, right?

No, $50,000.

Oh, $50,000.

$50,000, he will come to your house for delivery.

He'll spend two hours with you.

With 25 of your friends.

He will sign two items, each person, no instruments whatsoever.

He will answer questions.

You have to provide the entertainment, like the food and the drinks.

What else was there?

Oh, you get like a t-shirt.

What do you think of that, though?

Well, there's also another tier for those people who don't have the 50.

And

you're guaranteed to get one of the first 300 vaults.

For $25,000, you can purchase the producer experience in which you're given exclusive studio time with Simmons in addition to access more

in addition to access to more unreleased recordings.

Which is the second vault.

Second songs.

So I'm glad you came here today because

Giddam and I

are ready to put in how much can I count on you?

We're going to all go in on the vault to get the just a $2,000 one so we can get the songs because I really want to hear them.

Can I count on you for at least $1,000?

No.

At least half?

No.

You watch the...

Kiss?

I would say probably after.

$500?

Can I get $500?

No.

Come on.

What can you put into this?

I'm trying to get a whole bunch of people together to put it on.

Why don't you at least do $150?

That's what it would cost on iTunes, right?

Can you do $150?

Oh, they're going to really.

No, it's never going to be a good thing.

No, I mean like a song.

Like a song would cost a dollar.

Yeah.

So even if it was 300, twice as much.

No, I wouldn't give him any money.

Well, if you want to hear the song, you're going like

you're touring it, right?

No, it's because

it's not available until January 1st.

You're not making legitimate, I mean, stuff that you know should have been, and he's probably got a lot more than this.

Why wouldn't you release this to everybody who's able?

That's the difference between him and other people.

There's definitely a reason why.

Well, we know the reason why.

I don't think it's money.

Then what's the reason?

I think he sees the way the world is, the way it's structured today.

He cannot put this out and make the same amount of money he can do in it this way because of torrents, because of the internet.

See, I think the opposite.

But can't you torrent it anyway?

But it's a significant thing.

So somebody's going to have to pay it to him.

Someone's still going to have to give him the money for it.

Yeah, but one person gets this, then there's a lot of.

I bet you've got to sign a contract that you can't give it away.

How many contracts are you going to do?

You're signing it.

Everybody's going to sign up for a contract anyway.

Like when you buy something, the FBI is basically a bad thing.

So then he'll be able to take you to court, I bet you, and sue you for lost revenue.

Absolutely.

But I mean, he could do that with any other song, too.

Right, but he's personally giving it to you.

You're probably going to sign a mountain of paperwork, and he's going to know every single person.

The $2,000 ones, though, right?

Yeah.

Like they're mailed?

The $2,000?

No, $2,000 ones, like, if he's performing.

If he is, but how the fuck do you get it if he's not?

Then we'll mail it to you.

Okay.

All right.

So I bet you're not going to be able to do it.

I bet you're still going to have to agree to a whole bunch of stipulations that you will never release this on the internet.

But everybody agrees to stipulations all the the time.

As soon as you buy a CD or a video disc, it's

anything, you agree by purchasing it that you're not going to do those things.

Is that true?

Yes.

Really?

It's written right now.

Why do you think they put it

on the back of the music?

Get any CD, get any DVD, Blu-ray.

It says piracy law on the back.

You agree to doing this.

And there's those commercials in front of the movies.

Like, you wouldn't download a car.

The FBI warning all the time.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

So

it's not.

Why isn't that enforced then?

They try, but it's very, very tough to do it because to track down an individual person for doing it, it takes a

there's the key.

He will be able to track, since so few of these will be sold, he will be able to track it down.

I bet you each vault has something in it that will show him, if it's pirated,

who put it online.

It's kind of like a script where they write your name across the pages.

So if you yeah, I bet you there's something that you won't know what it is, but there's something that will identify who put it up, whoever purchased it.

I bet you I guarantee guarantee you.

But you know what?

There are people that are way smarter and better at that kind of shit than him or whoever he hires.

They'll be able to strip it of whatever protection it has.

No, not protection.

I'm talking about it.

Even a personally identifiable thing.

Like, the CDs are already made.

So it's not like they're made.

I mean, you can watch movies that are in the theater right now.

The day they come out, you can watch them.

It's different, though.

You're limiting your, you're giving your the client base is so tiny, you will be able to track track the vault

to who put it online now.

They do that with screener copies for a lot of the Hollywood movies.

They put it in the middle.

And I guarantee you won't even know what it is.

Like, if you're putting it on, you're putting it on, there'll be something, maybe one word is different.

Something in it will be identifiable that you won't be able to remove because you won't know what it is to remove unless you buy two.

I'll give you $25 for the digital download.

What digital download?

You're telling me.

See, I also think there are a lot of KISS fans who do pony up the money and they'd be like, A, they're like, well, why should I put it online?

I had to pay for it.

Why am I going to give it every way for free?

So listen, A, I haven't heard a single fucking song that's on there, okay?

They could be all shit songs.

They could be songs that are revamped and just remixed.

Look, he put out the destroyer.

He remixed Destroyer.

That's my reason why I wouldn't buy it.

Why?

Did you listen?

Have you listened to that remix?

It sounds like it's bad.

Want me to download it?

It's just, it's the same thing, but just like...

Turning it as we speak.

It's terrible.

It's terrible.

But wait a minute.

Why are you assuming like this is this?

He said it's songs he's written since he was 14 years old.

They could be all Jewish.

I mean, they could be all in Hebrew songs.

Who knows what you're getting?

They're rock songs.

There's a preview on the website.

We were listening to them.

They're rock songs.

They're not folk songs.

They're not like Hebrew songs he sung in school.

Wicked Lester.

What difference does it make?

There are 150 songs that have never been released.

And you're telling me your favorite band growing up, you can't even pony up $100 for it?

When I was growing up, I'm older now, wiser.

Do you buy that?

Well, listen.

I wish I sonic boom.

We have to take your word for it that you're wiser.

I didn't meet you younger than you.

I think if Jack's.

I can't believe you that you're older.

If Jack's.

Yeah, I am wiser.

No, no, no.

I'm not buying that.

You're wiser.

If Jax is selling a discount copy for $50, he's buying it.

$50?

I'll put in $50.

Are you ready to put it in $50?

I'll put it in $50.

Can I put you down for $50?

I'll come in the store on Sunday and he'll be coming in from Jackson's.

I think he's basically a no-why.

How much can I put you down for and get him?

100?

I don't even like kiss.

Can you name one Kiss song?

Oh, my God.

Forget about it.

You have already agreed to this, Gibby.

I can put you down.

Name one song on Dynasty.

What?

Can I count you in for 100?

Sure.

He literally cannot name one song.

He just named one song.

He's going to be part owner of the vault.

Well, see,

this was my theory.

Who's drawing up these legal papers for this shared ownership?

Did you check with Gene?

Maybe

this can only be assigned to one person.

They can't regulate that.

Oh, they can't regulate that.

There's no possible way they can regret it.

But they can regulate downloading stuff on the internet.

Here was my theory:

200 fans would come in, they put in $10 each.

Bam, they buy the thing.

They form an LLC, and that's where they buy the vault through.

And then if they put it up online, there's no way to go after them individually.

But by copying it, making me a copy, it's illegal.

A corporation, yeah, is treated like an individual.

So it could technically own, I guess.

But you could sue the corporation, but under an LLC, from what I understand, limited liability corporation, you can't go after the individual people.

Basically, you're circumventing it.

You have that many people in there, you're circumventing it rather than to one person spending it.

Now, okay, we're getting it, and I'm giving it to 25 other people.

No, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, see, I think that charging for it.

Well, how are you going to share it with all these people?

Because if you bought in, you could share it.

If you can't give it to anybody who didn't buy into us, right?

So what are you going to do?

Just have it here at the vaults in the store, and I'm going to to come in, throw it on, Mike.

It's like a timeshare.

I'm going to hear disc six.

You can have the discs.

You can have the discs, but you have to promise me that you won't give them away to anybody who doesn't have it.

No, but I'm saying, how are you going to listen to it, though?

You can play it on your compact disc player.

Right, but I'm saying, how would you listen to it?

Somebody would have to make a

download into your iTunes.

He's going to rip them onto my iTunes.

Okay, that's the same thing.

Well, no, it's like a timeshare.

You get to listen to yourself.

I'm allowed to do that.

Does it expire?

As long as I don't share it, I can do that.

Yeah, but basically, that's me.

If I bought the CD, here you go.

Walt burn this in your burner.

That's the same thing.

It's really the same thing.

No, you didn't sell it.

You're not selling it, but you're preventing a sale.

You didn't buy it now.

I gave you a copy, and you never bought it.

It's like going to the library.

They have all these CDs.

But I think Gene has to realize, though, that

that's going to happen.

That's probably going to happen.

When you're putting a price tag like that on it,

that's why he's putting the price tag.

I think it's not just happening, it's encouraging it to.

He also said that 25 of your friends can come to the party.

He realizes that probably his fan base doesn't have $2,000.

One person doesn't have $2,000.

I think he.

So he wants 25 people to have $2,000.

Exactly.

So why are you pricing it so high?

Price it

so your fans can afford it.

I think it's an FIDE.

I think you can begin with, right?

In my opinion, I think this is a big middle finger to the internet.

I think it's a big middle finger to his fans.

Do you?

Do you see Paul doing this shit?

Nobody.

Do I think it's a finger to the internet?

What does Peter Nace get out of this?

All right.

Here's the situation.

You sound like a lawyer.

You got something

throwing out all the extreme, irrelevant, who the fuck cares type shit.

Here's the situation.

I ask your opinion.

Turn his bike off.

Wait, give me $100 first before you turn it off.

Name one song that was on Destroyer.

Next time remember that, like, you could be like, hey, Kiss is offering a vault.

Can you just read the article and I'll do that instead of fucking telling him.

But

if tell and Steve Dave decided

they're going to sell the Christmas special

for $2,000 and for $50,000,

you

do a podcast at your house.

Yeah.

You come to their

house.

You might be on to something.

Sign some things.

Do you think that would be a big middle finger to the internet or to the Telman Steve Day fans?

I think in our case, it would be to

our listener base would feel that that was a big F you.

But I think Gene's doing something.

I think it's different, though.

I think he's had a lot of lost sales sales

since the advent of the interview.

You think so?

Yes.

I think he's had a lot of sales.

What about the sales he had before the inventory?

How many fucking greatest hits and albums have they put out?

Want to talk about lost sales?

How many, go ahead.

Come on, big nuts, put them on the table.

How many fucking greatest hits have they made out?

Even the box set.

There was only like 10 songs on that box set.

That's why I bought the box set to listen to stuff that wasn't available.

You're screwing your fans.

You're loyal fans.

Listen.

Make him

be like this.

You're wrong.

I'll tell you why you're wrong.

he has gone on record and said i it's not worth it to me to record new material because it goes immediately on the internet because nobody cares about his new material it sucks

but that is the reason why he said it's not worth it it's not worth the money to record new material that's why you keep seeing greatest hits look yeah great yeah bands like led zeppelin pink floyd just put out a box set of of tons hundreds of songs it's 500

hundreds of songs no i'm not i mean i like pink floyd but i don't need to listen to all those songs.

But I'm saying at least it's somewhat affordable.

Did you download it?

No, I didn't download it.

But

I think that since the rise of the internet and the torrent mentality,

I bet you

it's millions of dollars in lost sales.

But that's not for him.

Yes, it is.

I mean, it's for everybody.

It's every artist.

You're not even making new music anymore.

Right, but it doesn't matter, though.

What does it matter if it's new music or old music that's getting pirated?

What I'm saying is, look, you had all these loyal fans your whole entire life.

You know, you wanted the best?

Give the best.

You know, give you the fans.

Give me the vaults.

But he's allowing it only for people who can afford it.

Most, I'm saying there's tons of Kiss fans.

Tons of Kiss fans.

I mean, you're talking about a guy also that at the another thing that I started phasing away that I didn't like is that you go into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and you want the current lineup to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and you don't play a song?

Come on, man.

You wonder why I don't like Kiss anymore.

Oh, you don't like him anymore?

No.

Oh, so you definitely aren't going to be in on it.

$50, I'll still give you.

I mean, I'd like to hear their old songs.

I'm not going to give Gene $20,000, $50,000.

$20 is worth his curiosity.

But I'm saying, I haven't listened to any songs, but I'm saying, you know, there's tons and tons of material that Kiss has put out that's never been out to the public.

Give your fans a nice box set: $200,000, $300.

Something that's that's affordable to all your fans.

With the pictures and everything.

Yeah, just give them like, you know.

But he knows that he gives it, if he puts it in that,

if he puts it out to consumption, for public consumption that way, it's going to go right to the end of it.

But I will say this.

I think his loyal fans, loyal fans,

if you're a die-hard quizzer, you bought the box set.

I bought the box set.

If you're a die-hard fan, you want that.

You want the extra material that's in there.

Yeah, like that book, with the pictures in the book.

You want the book.

You want like a history book in there, you want like that's what I love when I bought the albums.

You had Love Gun, you had the gun in there, you had the tasks.

But I still don't think, and no one is still glossing over the fact, though, that, like, but that happens with anything.

I feel like you're stuck on, like, it's not worth it.

Yeah,

it's not worth it to me, but you're not like you're not looking at his business plan

and

seeing that, like, I think it's done solely to circumvent people from touring it.

This could be the wave of the future for all artists.

Well, then nobody's ever going to buy into music.

Yeah, everybody's like, how much is that?

Well, but again,

physical media is going to be something of the past.

Unless you're a collector of media, you know, there are going to be items that are going to be priced.

Not that fucking ridiculous, but I'm saying,

I'm sure most people today are digital downloads.

They don't care.

They want Netflix.

They don't care about any of this.

Nobody really cares about the physical media anymore.

You're seeing it.

Right, but like, but Netflix, though, people are paying for it, though.

But how much are you paying for Netflix a month?

It doesn't matter.

As long as you're paying what Netflix is asking, that's all that matters.

But Gene is not releasing it because people are just going to take it.

Well, then maybe they should make a music flix.

I think people are.

It's called iTunes, right?

Is it called iTunes Radio?

So do the same thing.

People are still buying, right?

So something that you can still digital, you digital download anything.

You download a CD.

You can put that on the internet in thousands and thousands of people.

I think this is just, this is, we don't see Gene as a victim of crime, though.

This is just a victim of

decades of crime now acting and he's had enough.

He's not going to take it anymore.

Jennifer Lopez, namely.

Victim of crime.

You don't think that's a good thing.

When I talk about Las Vegas, you're a victim of crime.

A guy who has millions of fucking dollars every fucking day.

And

you're not like your cursing.

No, no, you're falling into like he has enough money.

Gene doesn't need more money.

Could you imagine if somebody decided that for you?

They're like, Sunday Jeff's got enough money.

Why is he?

Oh, if I had a couple million dollars, I'd be fine with it.

Yeah, of course you would.

Most people would be.

But if you could make more and somebody's putting a restriction on that, being like,

who cares if somebody steals Sunday Jeff's

like you're you can you're you craft shit like you're you can make stuff right like you painted uh statues for me yeah you're good at that what if like somebody just started like taking your statues being like fuck him he's got enough money he doesn't need to sell these statues Yeah, that probably wouldn't happen, though.

Yeah, nobody's going to have that.

I don't have to worry about that.

I'm not no Gene.

I'm trying to draw an analogy between you.

I don't know what happened to Gene.

I'm asking you.

I'll tell you what happened, though.

The internet.

They stole

his.

They stole millions from them.

But it's not just them.

How many

the Beatles rolling stars?

But you don't see it.

Again, why is it this has been an ongoing thing for how many years about piracy?

Right.

But

he's just trying to find

an end around.

How would you stop piracy, though?

How can you stop piracy on

the King's game plan is maybe the way to, this is the first

sells.

That's the key.

Also you're talking about 500 people versus like, God knows how many millions of people are Kiss fans, right?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Why are you limiting?

Basically, you're limiting your fan base to 500 people.

And millions of people are Kiss fans who, you know, not everybody's got millions of dollars and thousands of dollars to spend spend on you.

And but look, I love Kiss.

You know, I love Kiss.

You know,

no, I'm just saying, as a fan, and like, this is what you do to me.

You're going to make 500 pieces, 500.

And he's Gene's saying the same thing back to you.

What did you people do to me?

What did I do?

I bought all your fucking albums from when you fucking came out.

That's what I did.

I supported you when there was no internet.

I bought your albums.

I bought your records.

I bought your t-shirts.

I bought your greatest hits six times.

I bought six alive albums, and they got the same four songs out there.

I don't know what you're trying to get out.

Every doctor and every alive album.

Nobody screams like that and shouts

at a show.

You ever listen to the alive albums?

What about the public relation backlash of him suing a fan?

I mean, look at what.

Yeah, he seems to care about that.

But I think it's more, okay, you may have done that for him in the 70s, but what have you done for him lately?

I did it to the 80s, too.

What have you done for him lately?

I didn't have to do it for that long.

Then, when you see how band members are treated, then you see

how the money, how the true dollar signs in the eyes.

Didn't he?

What was it called now?

Did trademark the money back?

Didn't the money sign?

Well,

he tried to.

He's got to recoup all the fucking

recoup.

The internet stole that money sign from him.

You don't see the Rolling Stones

recuperating.

They've been around a lot longer than Kiss.

Because you know what?

The difference is there's a lot of artists who aren't afraid to

do this for fear of exactly what you just did.

short victim shame him

No way

the artists don't want the backlash for doing what he's doing.

You know that's a fact.

They don't want to call out the internet soon as like as soon as you call out the internet that artist suffers dearly

Really?

Yeah

the original like the original guys who were like what's the you can't do this you can't which which In essence really is what they used to do.

They would make cassette tapes and they would trade them, mixed tapes, whatever.

Except it's on a fucking now, it's on a global scale.

It's something nobody could have foreseen, but it's the same principle.

But it's also something that nobody can stop.

You can't stop this.

Right?

He understands that.

So that's why this plan, I think, is put into place to circumvent that.

It's a plan and try to regulate.

For once, an artist is going to regulate his

work.

And you know, but I'm saying you're not, you're not allowing other fans to enjoy your music at a reasonable price.

A majority, probably 90% of your fans, probably even 99% of your fans, don't have $50,000 for Mr.

Gene to come over to my house and won't sign a guitar.

All right, what's that got to do with anything?

Can't sign an instrument.

Why?

Because, God forbid, if I sign it, now what?

If I go to sell it on eBay, all of a sudden there's a problem.

Well, no, no, no, no, no.

He signed a contract.

We were trying to figure out why he won't sign instruments.

Giddam thinks that maybe he has a contract, maybe.

He's got a guy in the band that's got Ace Fraley's makeup on.

He brought the rights to that.

But it's ridiculous.

He brought the rights to it.

Ace Fraley signed the rights over.

He purchased the rights.

It's like, oh, let's pretend he's Ace Fraley when the band was good.

You know, it's so stupid.

But buying the, I mean, honestly, buying that makeup,

it made him a visionary.

Like, he knew.

that somewhere down the somewhere down the line that owning those designs was good.

He took advantage of a fucking junkie, but at the same time, you had a visionary brain of a person who's like, one day I'm going to need to have somebody in that costume.

He knew it.

Eric Carr, he had his own costume.

Right, but

he didn't.

Vinny Vinson had his own costume.

But

he's not doing that to them.

He's not putting somebody else in their costumes.

Out of respect for Eric Carr, and probably not because

nobody really cares about Vinny Vinson.

But nobody cared about Ace Raleigh?

Of course they did.

Now, this caused a backlash.

I'm not not going to deny that there's a lot of Kiss fans who felt betrayed by seeing somebody wearing the Ace Fraley makeup.

But you know what?

There's also a lot of fans who go out and are like, you know what?

Well, I still want to see Kiss perform these songs.

Right.

I would still rather see them perform these songs than not perform these songs.

Okay, but why did he keep that makeup on?

Because people are also like, I'd rather see Kiss in makeup than not see them in makeup.

No, they'd rather think like this is the band we used to be.

Nobody's going to be

now.

Nobody's that delusion.

I don't think anybody's gotten tricked.

Right.

I think you're right.

It's like Kiss has always been

like Alice Cooper, like very theatrical.

They want to see it.

But he still does it, though.

They're there for it.

I enjoyed his show.

But

you're glossing over, I think.

Well,

you're so angry.

Didn't Alice Cooper put out a box set, too?

You're more angry than Bry is.

Well, this is ridiculous, but I'm saying that because

this is just lunacy, what you're talking about now.

Didn't Alice Cooper put out a nice box set, too?

Sure, he did.

Did he have a problem with being on that?

How How long has Alice Cooper been around?

How many albums is that?

Alice Cooper's put out a lot more albums than Kiss has ever done.

But Alice Cooper also has a box set.

Alice Cooper also doesn't have.

If it wasn't Alex Cooper, there would be no Kiss.

Alex Cooper also doesn't have the track record, though, of doing things like this merchandising and coming up with new ways to kiss.

They're vanguards.

Kiss is a vanguard in terms of the merchandising, a band merchandising themselves, right?

Nobody's done it on that level.

It's a level unseen.

He's a P.T.

Barnum of rock and roll.

That I agree with.

That I agree with.

But if you're,

I love this attitude of people who are like, you can't stop it, so oh well.

So like, so like when somebody, if someone was to steal your identity online, you wouldn't have that oh well attitude.

I will tell you this.

Whenever that comes out,

if that vault comes out, that'd be great irony, right?

When those vaults are released,

they'll be on the torrent site someplace.

I guarantee you.

Well, I don't know.

It'll be out.

Because I guarantee you, they're going to sign a contract.

And if you break that contract,

I bet you he's coming after you hard.

Why doesn't he go to the Wu-Tang route?

When was the last Wu-Tang album?

Or they sold it to that douchebag?

Well, they sold it.

Because they sold it to $2 million.

Why was he?

He was the guy.

I can't remember his name.

I can't remember his name, but he...

She's a child.

He was

Martin Schekel.

Did anybody come after Wu-Tang, the waiter coming after Gene right now?

Sunday Jeff?

Style?

No, not that I'm aware of.

But he's a guy, he bought a medical company and immediately boosted the price price of this AIDS drug by like 10,000% for no reason.

I mean, he's

a dude is AIDS.

But not because of buying that album.

But that's the least of it.

That is the absolute least of it.

He's like a total asshole, this guy.

Yeah, you better.

He didn't get paid to podcast, so.

I don't know.

I just feel that

if not for the internet, I believe this box set would be put out in a way that was more affordable.

But you're talking about reasons for himself, not for the fans.

And that's selfishness, is it not?

We do it every week.

Every week, is that not selfishness?

He's doing it for himself, not for his fans.

He's only allowing a certain amount of fans to get music that every Kiss fan would love to hear, but he's doing it for himself.

Is it any different than, say,

like the Jokers, that, you know, they do a meet and greet, and there's, you know, you've got to pay more, obviously.

Not everybody has that extra money to go.

So there's always going to be that system in place where it's like, yes, exactly.

Yeah, but Q's not charging $50,000 to go up there and hang with them.

But for some people, if he could, he would.

Yeah, definitely.

Well, maybe he should go into business with Gene.

If

fuck, no, I totally lost my point.

Tears.

Nah, I forget it.

It probably wasn't worse.

Oh, no, tears are falling.

Remember that kiss song?

Yeah, there's a lot of that.

That should be you.

You're not saying, man.

You soaked up the whole fucking felt table.

The poker table's all wet.

The only one that apparently is crying is Gene.

That's the one that's crying.

Gene's the one that's crying,

apparently, what you're saying.

He's crying all the way to.

All the way to where?

Where?

Where, Mr.

Baron?

Uh-huh.

Oh, man.

I thought you'd be more excited about that.

Yeah.

Should have said, tell him Steve Day that he would kick in anything.

Well, we got another commercial.

Oh, yeah, another commercial.

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That's all right.

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Only like that.

One season season so far, yeah.

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I'm not doing Stranger Things merch.

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I see a Teenage Jr.'s a turtle statue

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I see about 500 hardcover books coming in every day.

500 sip from a flask, and I'm like, I stopped drinking.

It's like, dude, he works here.

He knows what you buy.

He knows what I buy.

Not a sip from a flask.

It's bigger than that.

It's like I drank a gallon of natty ice.

Yeah, you think you slowed down, but it.

Oh, I did.

I've heard that you slowed down in certain aspects and then fucking

hit the accelerator on some of your books.

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You've been going off the rails.

He watches what we order.

Look who's talking, Mr.

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But I called him.

I look out for him, though.

I tried the other day because we do final order cutoffs where

get one last chance.

Oh, those books didn't come in?

Hold on.

Hold on.

Where's my books, bitch?

Look, he's Jonesing over there.

I know.

You know, $50,000.

There were times I didn't have pills for two days.

I was less rabid than you.

I just saw him.

Did you see the wrinkles in his forehead?

Oh, those books came in.

But there's an ammo Omnipedia.

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Let's say I ordered three of these hardcovers

on an initial order.

You have a chance before they ship to be like, you can change that number.

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He was the only person that was getting some of these really shitty hardcovers.

So I called him.

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Hey, bro.

No judgment.

You didn't tell me these were on order.

You're telling me, I thought these came in already.

Doesn't matter.

And I said,

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I said, because, I mean, it really sucks.

And he's like, oh, yeah, I want that.

It sucks, sure.

Because it sucks if you've never seen it yet.

Because it's a reprint of shit that came out in the 70s.

But it's a reprint that I've never read.

You're going to let me borrow your copy then?

No, I didn't buy one.

It's all like witches, like House of Mystery from.

I never read House of Mystery.

I liked it.

You know, I wanted to give it a shot.

I mean, can't give me a.

I didn't read some of these older books.

Does anyone feel more judged than Sunday Jeff when he's around you?

And I'm looking out for him, though.

I'm like, I'm telling him, like, you don't need this right now.

And he's like, no, yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

I need it.

Never, like, not even for a second taking a step back and being like, you know what?

He's got a point.

I don't need it.

That's what we'll.

What do you really need other than food and clothing and shelter?

Whatever.

Yeah.

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I'm just saying with

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Well, I didn't know it was an order reduction.

Like I said, I didn't know if it was stuff that I ordered.

Well, it's too late.

Well, obviously, now, now that I know it was an order reduction, I'm not thinking that it came in this week.

I know, man.

That was the biggest cock tease I've ever seen.

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Still are.

He was so excited that those, he thought those books came in.

You could see it, yeah.

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I've been feeling kind of empty.

Feeling kind of flat.

Trying to write new memories.

Trying to turn it back.

Hungry eyes.

So come up on my

show changed and I'm Grow to synthesize.

Oh, those hungry eyes.

So compromise.

Show changed in life.

Grow to synthesize.

Well, what's your point of view?

There is nothing can do.

You just want the other way

if it's easier that way.

Just want

a place to stay.

Will we take the path of least resistance?

Can we stay the course

to reach the distance?

Or will we shake until we break into the burn?

And we're swallowed down,

a spiraling ground.

Without a sound,

without a sound.

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