Trump Threatens Third Term, Admin Admits Deportation Mistake

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Corey Booker won't show up, won't shut up in a good way.

Speaker 2 And Donald Trump pledges to respect the Constitution. April Fools, he still doesn't care.
Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2 The second Trump administration is off to a roaring start if you don't count the economy, inflation, rampant corruption, cyberbullying of allied nations, and we're all going to die of measles.

Speaker 2 So it makes sense that on Sunday, he said he's considering running for a third term.

Speaker 2 But of course, the liberal media is freaking

Speaker 2 out. New fallout after President Trump did not rule out the possibility of a third term.

Speaker 1 A move that would require breaching the two-term limit outlined in the Constitution. Caroline, what method would the president use to potentially run for a third term?

Speaker 1 Look, you guys continue to ask the president this question about a third term, and then he answers honestly and candidly with a smile, and then everybody here melts down about his answer.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Obviously, this is the media's fault, okay?

Speaker 2 If they ask the president a question, of course he's going to give you a deranged answer.

Speaker 2 He's the president. What do you expect him to say? No, I'm constitutionally barred from running again.
Come on.

Speaker 2 The guy's just having a good time.

Speaker 2 His fellow Republicans know nobody gets comedy like the Republicans. Don't you think he's probably just kind of trolling? I think he's probably having some fun with it.
Probably messing with you.

Speaker 3 This is a president who loves to give a snake in a can to the media just to watch them open it. And he's doing that.
This is another jump scare that has just lit up the internet.

Speaker 2 Yeah, guys, relax.

Speaker 2 The president of the most powerful nation in the world is just, he's in his Dennis the Menace phase.

Speaker 2 The point is, everybody knows he's joking. Trump isn't serious about a potential third term.

Speaker 1 Trump insisted he was serious about a potential third term. Trump said, I'm not joking.
I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 No, no, that can mean anything.

Speaker 2 That can mean anything.

Speaker 2 Look, the truth is, Trump doesn't really joke so much as he jokes, right? The same way that guys joke to their wives about having a threesome.

Speaker 2 You know, that would be so wild. Obviously, we'd never do that.
I mean, definitely not with my coworker Cindy that you said was pretty once.

Speaker 2 And I'm sure she's open to stuff because her nose is pierced. That would be so hilarious, right?

Speaker 2 Or would it be sexy?

Speaker 2 Personally, I'm not freaking out that Trump is going to defy the Constitution because he's already been doing it.

Speaker 2 For weeks now, ICE has been rounding up any immigrant who they suspect is a member of the Venezuelan gang Trendiaragua, or as Trump pronounces it, Trendiarguay.

Speaker 2 Muy bien, senor presidente.

Speaker 2 But this week, we found out that instead of sending these suspects to a trial or a hearing, you know, all the due process shit in the Constitution, the ICE agents just fill out a checklist on the suspect.

Speaker 2 And if the suspect scores an eight or more,

Speaker 2 they get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

Speaker 2 Look, look, I'm not a legal expert, but I'd rather not be sentenced to life in a foreign prison with the same checklist system that Cosmo uses to decide if I'm good girl hot or bad girl hot.

Speaker 2 By the way, I'm bad girl hot.

Speaker 2 And reading through the checklist doesn't make me feel any better either. Okay, you get points just for having a tattoo of a star or a clock or the Michael Jordan logo.

Speaker 2 It doesn't even have to be a tattoo. You can just get points for wearing a bull's jersey.
So have fun in prison, Hannah Montana.

Speaker 2 If that's even your real name.

Speaker 2 But hey, I'm sure the famously detail-oriented Trump administration isn't going to deport people without making sure they're hardened criminals, right?

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 4 Right?

Speaker 4 The Trump administration now admitting that a Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported to a super prison, government lawyers just confirmed that the man who was granted protected status in 2019 was deported due to, quote, an administrative error.

Speaker 2 Oopsie doopsie, I did a poopsie.

Speaker 2 Could it be that the geniuses who added Jeffrey Goldberg to the strike team group chat aren't great at identifying the correct people?

Speaker 2 If only there is a way that they could have presented this suspect before another person, someone who, I don't know, and I'm just spitballing, maybe could have judged whether or not the person could have been deported.

Speaker 2 Maybe that person, I don't know, could be behind a tall desk and they hold a stick with a robe and they're federally appointed and they say things like, another DUI, Mr. Acosta?

Speaker 2 I'd put you in prison, but you're too bad girl hot. No, no, no, no, no.
Let's just

Speaker 2 do another checklist. Thank you for that.
But hey, but hey, but hey, no harm, no foul. We can just get that guy back on the next flight, right? Right?

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 4 But here's the thing. The administration argues he can't be brought back because now he's in El Salvador's custody.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What are you talking about? We can't get one person out of a prison that we sent to that prison.
J.D.

Speaker 2 Vance is out there calling dibs on rare earth minerals underneath Greenland and Ukraine, but with El Salvador, suddenly they're like, hey, sorry, no hablo español.

Speaker 2 Trump, don't you speak Spanish? Trendi, Arguayo.

Speaker 2 Tremendioso.

Speaker 2 Seeing all these constitutional crises pile up, it makes me wonder what sort of evil machinations Donald Trump is plotting inside the Oval Office right now.

Speaker 2 A friend of mine, Kid Rock, sometimes referred to as Bob, I know him as Bob,

Speaker 2 but he's been a good friend for a long time, many years, and he's been

Speaker 2 after something that is for the good of a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Mr. President, I don't mean to alarm you, but the guy next to you, he's scoring a lot of points points on that checklist right now.

Speaker 2 For more on the ICE raids, let's go to the White House with our very own Josh Johnson.

Speaker 2 Josh.

Speaker 2 Josh, what Trump is doing right now is disturbing. That's absolutely right, Michael.
And we can't stand for this.

Speaker 2 The American people need to get out in the streets right now and let Donald Trump know that this is a nation of rules and laws, and the American people will not allow him to hang out in the Oval Office with Kid Rock.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 I thought that speech was going to be about the mass deportations. No, no, at this point, I'm sort of resigned to that.
But if he's going to be a dictator, can he at least be a serious one?

Speaker 2 When the history books get written about the fall of American democracy, I just don't want to look like a bitch, okay?

Speaker 2 If I'm going to get my nipples tasered off in an El Salvadorian prison, it can't be by a guy who looks like Ronald McDonald's lesbian aunt, all right?

Speaker 2 That's not how I want to go out. Okay, I don't think the ice raids are coming for you, Josh.
You don't know that.

Speaker 2 You saw that checklist? They're looking for Jordan's tattoos. Sound like anybody you know, Michael? Oh, oh, wait, you have tattoos? Yep.

Speaker 2 I got a couple of nasty ones. Oh, really? Well, can we see them? Well, I can't show you all of them because a few are near and on my butthole.
But

Speaker 2 here's one I'm worried about, okay?

Speaker 2 Who knows how ICE could interpret this tattoo? What does that say?

Speaker 2 Fight song.

Speaker 2 From the song Fight Song.

Speaker 2 It could be conceived as a threat, you know, fight song.

Speaker 2 Why did you get that tattoo?

Speaker 2 Because it's not just an anthem for white women, all right?

Speaker 2 Everybody's got a fight song, and fight song is my fight song.

Speaker 2 Take back my life song.

Speaker 2 Prove I'm all right. Josh, Josh, stop, Josh, Josh, Josh, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Yeah, you're not even ready. Imagine we were fighting right now.
Okay,

Speaker 2 I just don't think ICE is going to confuse that for a gang tattoo. It's not gay.

Speaker 2 I said gang, not gay.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 well, good.

Speaker 2 You know, show you my butthole tattoo, then we'll see who's gay. Wait a sec.

Speaker 2 What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 It means if my fight song tattoo doesn't get me, this one definitely will.

Speaker 2 It's a firework.

Speaker 2 They're going to think I'm a domestic terrorist over here. Blow this whole thing up.
Kill everybody. Body pieces everywhere.
Let me guess. It's actually from Katy Perry's song, Firework.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's pretty much my backup fight song.

Speaker 2 It reminds me that, baby, I'm a firework. And I got to show them what.
Okay, we get it. We get it.
We get it. Josh Johnson, everyone.

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Speaker 2 So here with another installment of In My Opinion, is our good friend, Charlemagne the God.

Speaker 2 Hey, today we need to talk about Washington, D.C.'s hottest new binge watch.

Speaker 5 Senator Corey Booker has been leading a marathon speech on the Senate floor to protest what he calls reckless actions by the Trump administration. Booker began his speech around 7 o'clock last night.

Speaker 2 I rise with the intention of disrupting the normal business of the United States Senate for for as long as I am physically able. New Jersey Senator Corey Booker is still talking on the Senate floor.

Speaker 2 His marathon speech has now reached the 22-hour mark. This is unbelievable.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 A Democrat actually doing something. Wow.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's the longest someone's held Congress captive since January 6th.
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, so far he's only talking, but he's talking a lot. So I'll take it, okay?

Speaker 2 What Booker did today is like the political version of phone sex. It's not as good as the real thing,

Speaker 2 but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. That's right.

Speaker 2 And nothing is what it seems like the Democratic Party has been doing for the last three months. The Democrats are like Jason Momoa in between Aquaman movies.
Not in good shape.

Speaker 2 Disarray among the Dems, new CNN polling showing the party's favorability hitting a record low of 29%.

Speaker 2 29%?

Speaker 2 That's lower than Pete Hexeth's blood alcohol level.

Speaker 2 Democrats are about as popular as an album of RFK Jr. covering Adele.

Speaker 2 I set fire

Speaker 2 to my brain.

Speaker 2 Isn't there anyone who can save this party?

Speaker 1 NBC News is reporting that the Bidens want back in.

Speaker 2 Isn't there anybody else who can save this party?

Speaker 2 Look, I know there are some people that think Joe Biden should help rebuild because as the most recent president, he is the de facto leader of the party.

Speaker 2 And to those people, I'd like to say, Hunter, lay off the crack, okay?

Speaker 2 I thought Biden was an okay president. It's not his fault.
His brain reached its term limit before he did.

Speaker 2 But he's not the future of the party. So who's supposed to be the leaders? Well, in Congress, you've got two people.
The first one is this guy, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jefferson.

Speaker 2 In America, we don't have a king, we don't have a monarch, we don't have a dictator. In our democracy, we have separate and co-equal branches of government.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm not feeling too inspired by business. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not too inspired by business casual Morpheus, okay?

Speaker 2 You take the blue pill, nothing changes. You take the red pill, nothing changes, but with cherry flavor.

Speaker 2 And payless Obama's counterpart in the Senate, yeah, he's somehow even less inspiring. It's going to affect beer,

Speaker 2 okay?

Speaker 2 Most of it, corona here, comes from Mexico.

Speaker 2 It's going to affect your guac

Speaker 2 because what is guacamole made of? Avocados.

Speaker 2 Schumer is not the man with a plan to fight Trump. Shit, he ain't the man with a plan for a good Cinco de Mayo.

Speaker 2 It's not my job to say that any particular candidates need to be primaried and thrown out of of office, but Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schulman need to be primaried and thrown out of office.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Maybe Democratic leaders in Congress ain't it. What if we look outside of Washington to the governors?

Speaker 2 Gavin Noosa from California, he's been getting active lately. What's his fight plan? We need to change the conversation.
And that's why I'm launching a new podcast.

Speaker 2 And this is going to be anything but the ordinary politician podcast.

Speaker 2 I don't believe you.

Speaker 2 Your body doesn't even believe the words you're saying.

Speaker 2 None of your words match your motion.

Speaker 2 Like Gavin just feels phony. All right, feels less like you're going to lead a revolution and more like you're going to sell me pills for natural male.

Speaker 2 Fortunately, there are people on the left really willing to put up a fight, though.

Speaker 1 The Republicans have actually organized this goofy hearing to try to convince the American people that PBS and NPR are, quote, domestic threats. It's as stupid as it sounds.

Speaker 1 I would tell him to grow a spine

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 stop being Putin's hoe.

Speaker 2 If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would you say? F ⁇ off.

Speaker 2 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 2 That was the homie Jasmine Crockett, a U.S. representative and social justice warrior with less filter than a paw mall.
Okay?

Speaker 2 She did get into a little trouble for some recent comments about the Texas governor, Greg Abbott.

Speaker 2 And to appreciate this next clip, all you need to know is he's a far-right bigot who happens to use a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 We in these hot ass Texas streets, honey.

Speaker 1 Y'all know we got Governor Hot Wheels down there.

Speaker 2 Come on now.

Speaker 2 And the only thing hot about him is that he is a hot ass mess.

Speaker 2 Hey, man. When they go low, Jasmine slashes the tires on their wheelchairs.
Okay?

Speaker 2 And you know Republicans are scared of Democrats stooping to that level because conservatives were big fake men. Jasmine Crockett stoops to a new low.
Pretty disgusting.

Speaker 1 Speaker Johnson saying this, quote, these outrageous remarks by Crockett are shameful and completely out of line.

Speaker 2 She's a low life.

Speaker 2 and she's a very low IQ person.

Speaker 2 Excuse me?

Speaker 2 Donald Trump is going to lecture someone about tasteless jokes?

Speaker 2 MAGA complaining that a Democrat is ableist is like Quentin Tarantino telling me I use the N-word too much.

Speaker 2 Nigga, please, okay?

Speaker 2 I'm not saying Democrats need to be offensive like Trump is. Just show any kind of authenticity and fight.
All right? That's why people are cheering Corey Booker today.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah. And that's why Bernie Sanders and AOC are turning out huge crowds at rallies all across the country.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I just hope it's enough because right now the Democratic Party brand is so whack, it almost doesn't matter who runs. A D beside their name makes even great candidates seem bad.

Speaker 2 Voters are like a college student halfway through her first year at Bryn Maher. She just doesn't want that D no more, okay?

Speaker 2 Democrats just need to fight back.

Speaker 2 And whether that looks like filibustering on the Senate floor, rattling across the country, or getting in a roast battle with a wheelchair-bound senior citizen, you got to take that fight.

Speaker 2 But that's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 Shouting to God, everybody, when we come back, Giannis Tabone will be on the show.

Speaker 2 Let's go away.

Speaker 2 Welcome back to the Daily Show.

Speaker 2 My guest tonight is an Emmy-winning journalist whose new book is called The Volunteer: The Failure of the Death Penalty in America and One Inmate's Quest to Die with Dignity.

Speaker 2 Please welcome Gianna Caboni.

Speaker 2 Wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 2 What a book. Thank you.
So much work. So serious, so important, so sad.
Why is the death penalty not working in the United States?

Speaker 1 Look, I think there are a lot of reasons. I wrote a book on it.

Speaker 2 Next question.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Look, it's a fundamentally broken system.

Speaker 1 First, and you don't usually hear these arguments, right? We usually lead with the moral arguments in media, but I took a different approach.

Speaker 1 Of the 2,000 death row inmates inmates that we have in our country on the state level, right, different from the Luigi Mangione federal death row, only 15% are getting executed.

Speaker 1 The 49.9%, those cases are overturned, right? And then you have cases that are commuted. You have people dying of old age on death row.

Speaker 1 So a 15% completion rate, I mean, think about that in any other industry.

Speaker 1 Like a surgeon completes 15% of surgeries, a contractor completes 15% of it's totally unexplained.

Speaker 2 It's about right for contractors, but no, that is a terrible rate of efficacy.

Speaker 2 And it kind of leads to the subject of this book and why you reached out to him, Scott Dozier, who was convicted of murdering two people.

Speaker 2 Why did you initially write him a letter to be the subject of this?

Speaker 1 So I was making a documentary for a show called Vice on HBO, and I needed an interview with the death row inmate.

Speaker 1 I wasn't trying to do anything beyond that one interview. Wrote him a letter, didn't know if I'd hear back, and then I got a a call, you know,

Speaker 1 Ely, Nevada. I was like, okay, this is him.
Right. And we started chatting, you know, and from the first, you know, few minutes of that conversation, I understood that this guy was different.

Speaker 1 For one, he was completely unsympathetic. He was a violent offender, as you said.
He was convicted of two murders, but he was also volunteering for execution. Right.

Speaker 1 Only 10% of inmates volunteer for execution. What does that mean? So he wrote the judge a letter and he said, let's get this over with.

Speaker 2 But they're already sentenced to death.

Speaker 1 A lot of these states don't carry out these sentences, right? So the Attorney General's office has to pursue that.

Speaker 1 And the judge has to sign a warrant and then they schedule the execution. And then the prison chief has to find the drugs or the method that they're going to use to execute this guy.

Speaker 2 And he actually said, and you have the letter, his handwriting, it's very moving. He says, I, Scott Dozier, am requesting to execute me.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And at one point, I think he even calls the government a bunch of pussies. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He didn't mince words.

Speaker 2 Like, do it. If you're going to sentence me this way, then do it.
Yes. It's hard not to sympathize with him a little bit in that regard.
Talk about some of the complexities of actually

Speaker 2 killing someone on death row when it comes to the drugs and the method.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, in the past, we had kind of simple but very gruesome methods, right? Like burning, boiling, you know, guillotine, hanging, electric chair.

Speaker 1 And then we sort of kind of sanitized the death penalty in part to get the public on board with it, right? Public approval ratings just dived, right? And so we legalized lethal injection.

Speaker 1 And the idea was that we would make it more humane. But what we've learned is that it is not more humane.
That's what a lot of expert witnesses, anesthesiologists have told us about this method.

Speaker 1 Not to mention, you have to source all these drugs.

Speaker 1 Turns out, drug companies like Pfizer don't want their drugs used in executions, right? They want to create the cancer cure or the

Speaker 1 next big vaccine. They don't want to be known as supplying the death drug.
So it's been incredibly hard for states to source these drugs.

Speaker 2 Is Pfizer not wanting to give drugs for lethal injection because,

Speaker 2 well, yeah, they don't want to be associated with executions, but also it could affect their profit margin for giving more people the drugs that actually need them?

Speaker 1 I mean, there's, I guess, a sourcing issue in the sense that, you know, if these drugs are used for execution and you pull them off the market in order to get prisons not to use them, so sodium thiopentol, this is a drug that was used in executions for years.

Speaker 1 When drug companies really don't want them used, sometimes they pull them from the market and then patients who actually need the drugs won't get access to them.

Speaker 2 This is going to be a strange metaphor, but it reminds me of dog food for my dog.

Speaker 2 We make it so it's palatable for me as the human. I don't think my dog wants to eat this little brown pellet.
He wants to eat sloppy, messy, disgusting food that his DNA is telling him. But we've made

Speaker 2 execution palatable for me and you and us, but it isn't effective. And wasn't at one point Scott Dozier saying, shoot me?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, his ideal.

Speaker 2 Kill me with a gun. Exactly.
Americans are good at that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And by the way, finding a cowboy, a gun, and a bullet, all things that are not hard to come by in America.

Speaker 2 Certainly the gun lobbies aren't going to say, you better not use that for an execution.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and there's never a shortage of volunteers, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you still talked about, you mentioned that in the book. That's wild to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you have the former warden of Florida State Prison who oversaw a bunch of executions.

Speaker 1 He said that he would get letters, thousands of letters, people saying, hey, if you need a volunteer to do the firing squad or to partake in the execution, I'm here.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't even have thousands of Instagram followers. We can work on that.
We can work on that. Maybe I can speak to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And there was just an execution by firing squad in South Carolina. So are more inmates volunteering? I mean, you said it's about 10% that do this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so not volunteering but what they're doing is they recognize that lethal injection is not a more humane method or doesn't cause less suffering.

Speaker 1 In fact it can cause more suffering.

Speaker 1 You know inmates understand that now and so now they're actually opting for methods like firing squad right so lethal injection has a 7% rate of botched executions.

Speaker 1 Firing squad, that rate is effectively zero.

Speaker 2 I mean, it is wild to think about. And one of the things I love about the book is I'm thinking and debating

Speaker 2 a very serious topic that I try to avoid. I don't want to think about this stuff.
A firing squad, they put a bag over the person's head, they put a target on his heart, and five people have guns.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's like, in a way, maybe, and I think this was made in one of the vice pieces at this point, in a way, maybe we should make it more brutal so we as citizens can decide, do we really want to do this?

Speaker 1 I mean, look, execution is brutal, you know? Right. Killing our own is brutal.
And the way we've whitewashed, you know, this method of execution is all kind of ridiculous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and Firing Squad, I think that if we went back to that method, I think the public may start to second guess what their tolerance is for killing their own.

Speaker 2 There's so many people affected when an execution needs to take place. And that's one thing the book just illuminated to me so much.
There's the prison that has to try to do this thing.

Speaker 2 They're required to do it. There's the victims' families who are involved.
There's the inmate who at one point, you know, you say to him, you're going to be dead tomorrow.

Speaker 2 In two hours, you're going to be dead. And he has to respond to that.

Speaker 2 And then there's also the family of the death row inmate. Who is suffering the most in this?

Speaker 2 You've really been close. Who's suffering most in this shit show that is our death penalty?

Speaker 1 Look, I think a lot of people are. I sympathize deeply with victims' families.
I mean, those murders are so horrific and create generational trauma.

Speaker 1 The perpetrators' families, they didn't do anything wrong, you know, and they're dragged through this mess all the time.

Speaker 1 I would say the one subsect of people that we don't focus on that much are the people actually doing the executing. And a lot of these people, they're not bad people.

Speaker 1 It doesn't suggest that they're pro-death penalty. I mean, this is their job, right?

Speaker 1 And I talked to the warden, as I mentioned, at Florida State Prison, and that guy, I mean, he really botched a bad execution by electric chair. I mean, effectively burned this person alive.

Speaker 1 He became an alcoholic

Speaker 1 and he had these nightmares.

Speaker 1 I mean, he had total PTSD where he described that, you know, each night he would go to sleep and the inmates that he had executed would walk into his room and they would sit at the foot of his bed and they would just stare at him.

Speaker 1 And they didn't have to say anything because he knew what they were thinking.

Speaker 2 And then, though, there's a nice part to that. is his wife basically made him go to therapy and it helped him.
So good job to all the wives making their husbands go to therapy therapy out there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 2 Is there a way we can reform this system? Is there a positive that we can take from this in your opinion?

Speaker 1 I mean, this book is not anti-death penalty, it's not pro-death penalty, right? This is a deep investigation into a broken system.

Speaker 2 I really believe. You say on page five, which I love, which is, We're not here to debate the morality of the death penalty, but we are here that we can all agree agree that it's a broken system.

Speaker 2 Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 What I want people to take away is, look, if we are going to have this practice carried out in our name and on our dime, right?

Speaker 1 Hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars per death sentence, right? Way more expensive than life without parole.

Speaker 2 Well, that's what I want, yeah.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, continue.

Speaker 1 Then I think we need to face what we're actually doing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think we should sleep at night, you know, thinking that these guys are just peacefully falling asleep on a gurney and that's the end of the story.

Speaker 1 And if we're okay with these brutal executions, then okay, we live in a democracy. Vote for the death penalty for all I care.
But at least face what we're doing.

Speaker 1 And understand that a lot of the time, we're not actually doing the executing.

Speaker 1 We're just putting people on death row, in many cases, solitary confinement. We're paying exorbitant amounts for this death penalty without even carrying it out.

Speaker 2 I mean, the irony of at one point they put him on suicide watch.

Speaker 2 So they don't want to watch him kill himself. So then they can kill him later, even though they're too soft to even kill him in the first place.
It's totally wild. It's wild.
It's wild.

Speaker 2 Thank you for writing this. It's a tremendous book.
The volunteer is available now. Gianna Taboni, we'll take a quick break.
We'll be right back after this.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much.

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This is a crazy administration. This is like April Fool's Day.

Speaker 2 I want everything to be woke and the opposite, like April Fool's Day. Stuff that it's like, is this April Fool's Day? You search cheaper, sir.

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