Jon Stewart on Which Speech Is Free in Trump’s America | Paul Rudd

Jon Stewart on Which Speech Is Free in Trump’s America | Paul Rudd

March 25, 2025 36m

Jon Stewart goes old-school Daily Show on Trump and Republicans who pride themselves on “saving” free speech, all while censoring anybody who doesn’t agree with them.

Paul Rudd sits down with Jon Stewart to chat about his latest starring roles in the films “Death of a Unicorn” and “Friendship,” watching their kids grow up, and, of course, pharmaceutical side effects to the perineum.

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From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news.

This is The Daily Show with your host, Jon Stewart.

Everybody, come on! Hi, everybody, Paul!

Welcome to The Daily Show!

My name is John Stewart.

We got a great show for you tonight, my friend.

I got a new tie.

Is it short?

I'll tell you what, we got a great one.

Paul Rudd is going to be going on.

Paul Rudd finally had the balls to come on this show

after weeks of calling me a propagandist.

Know this.

Our interview will be unedited.

Rudd's going down.

It's happening. I'm going to give that dude an infection of the perineum i spent i should explain we spent we come out early i do a little warm-up with the audience and uh for some unknown reason and it really was not prompted i was trying to discuss the relationship between asthma medication and a side effect of an infection of the perineum.

Unfortunately, I have no one in the audience who was able to satisfy my curiosity on that.

Those of you at home who may be looking it up right now, wait till the commercial break.

But first, a quick update on an administration that is once again carrying out its plans with competence and professionalism. A reporter from The Atlantic says he was mistakenly added to a group chat with top members of the Trump administration as they were texting back and forth about highly sensitive war plans.
Jeffrey Goldberg says he was included in a group chat full of our nation's top security officials

discussing what we can only assume to be top secret plans to bomb Houthi targets across Yemen

on March 15th. Everything from the weapons America would be deploying to the timing and the attack

sequences.

Oopsie poopsie!

You know, back in my day, if you were a journalist

who wanted leaked war documents,

you'd work the sources, meet them in a dark garage,

earn the trust, pound the pavement.

Now, you just wait for the national security advisor

to be distracted by White Lotus

while he's setting up his Bomb Yemen group chat. Are those guys jerking each other off? By the way, I might be in this group chat.
I don't know. I don't check my group chats.
Perhaps my favorite text of the entire group chain was the one from our defense secretary saying, quote, we are currently clean on OPSEC. For those of you who don't know, OPSEC means operational security.
He said that in a group chat. A group chat with a journalist.

The journalist said that he didn't think that the story was real until Yemen was bombed. Oh, did I bring you down? Let's move on.
because as you know there there are certain hypocrisies and absurdities that we find in

our cultural moment

that make for great fodder for humorous dialogue.

A facial expression.

A nod and a wink.

Then there are other pronouncements by our elected officials, actions by our government,

that are so baldly bullshit.

Even though you know it will have no effect.

And that these powerful creatures have been genetically modified to resist shame. Self-reflection of any kind.
You just can't help yourself but to go old school daily show. Gotcha.
I'm talking about the debate on free speech. Now, as we know, conservatives have been very concerned about the loss of free speech in our country for a very long time.
Bullies on the left aiming to silence conservatives. Free speech is under siege in this country.
The leftists, they've become the thought police. They basically declare themselves God and judge us for our thoughts.
George Orwell was right. The thought police come next to punish thought crime.
Be very, very scared. I am.
Perhaps not for the reasons you... Are the thought police with you right now, Jimmy? Are they in the bottle? But luckily, our national free speech nightmare recently came to an end when we entered the golden age of donald jehoshaphat for trump we have saved free speech in america and we've saved it strongly free speech in america thank god we have a president now who believes in free speech yes thank god we have a president now who believes in free just go ahead roll to 12.

I believe that CNN and MSDNC what they do is illegal. I think CBS should lose its license

but I think ABC should lose its license also because of what they've done.

I watched what happened live. I think Bravo should also lose their license.
What they did to Dorinda on Traders, they should be sent to a Salvadorian hello. This is what I'm talking about.
Generally, you've got to search the archives for contradictions on one's stated principles, dig through policy papers to uncover private actions that are undermined by someone's public stance. But this is so blatant.
I can't wrap my head around it. It's not even the hypocrisy.
It's that they so fetishize free speech, this thing that they do not in any way actually practice.

The freedom to speak our minds and express the truth that is our heart.

Really, that's really a big chunk of our heart. Any cardiologist will tell you

hearts come in chunks.

Blood comes into the aorta, to the right ventricle,

passes through your speech chunk.

But since coming into office,

Trump and the Republicans have instituted policies

that are a dagger right through many people's speech chunks.

The White House has barred the Associated Press

from presidential events

because the AP has refused to rename the

Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America in its style book. And in a dramatic escalation against the

American legal system, Trump this weekend directed his government to target law firms battling his

actions. Federal immigration officials arrested a Palestinian activist who helped lead last year's

student encampment protest at Columbia. I think we ought to get them all out

of the country. They're troublemakers.
They're agitators. They don't love our country.
My chunks.

My precious chunks. My lovely lady chunks.
My chunks. My chunks.

You're making my perineum tingle. Here's the thing.
These attacks on free speech, especially the one where they deported that activist. If there's one thing that I know about the powerful principles at our higher education institutions, they will not be bullied by a World 212.
Columbia University is bowing to President Trump's demands, announcing it will change a number of policies. Among them, placing the school's Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies Department under academic receivership for at least five years.

Some students protest the war in Gaza.

Suddenly a whole academic department is on double secret probation with government oversight.

And by the way, okay, Middle East part, African Studies?

What the f*** did they do?

Sure, the African studies professor is like

I teach intermediate Swahili

see these guys don't give a f***

about free speech

they care about their speech

it's so blatant hypocrisy

it's so old school daily show

gotcha

you know what I'm just going to put on the wig I used to wear during those years. Because the hypocrisy is just so...
Here's Donald Trump on those who would criticize judges that he has appointed. A lot of the judges that I had, if you look at them, they take tremendous abuse.
And it's truly interference, in my opinion. And it should be illegal.
And it probably is illegal in some form. Yes, criticizing judges.
It is interference. It should be illegal.
Tremendous abuse. And four days later, not four days later later not a full french work week later president

donald trump just took the truth social and deemed this judge responding to this uh decision here

calling him a radical left lunatic of a judge a troublemaker an agitator who was sadly appointed

by barack hussein obama he says this judge should be impeached.

The hypocrisy, it burns.

And are we really still doing the Barack Hussein Obama thing?

Oh, free Harambe. Come on, people.

It's. See, what was the whole thing that they hated about the left on free speech? No one is safe from the left's word police.
No one. What exactly would an actual government run word police organization look like? The Trump administration is actively trying to purge the federal government of so-called woke initiatives.

Government agencies have flagged hundreds of words to limit or avoid.

Words like DEI, BIPOC, anti-racism, Latinx, Native American, black, women. Seemingly random words like expression, at risk, political, and even mental health and sex.

What's left? BIPOC and Latinx, I get that. You're not allowed to say sex.
You can't say words like women or sex or hashtag me too. How can a lot of your cabinet members describe their weekends? You know, you can't protest in a way that...
You can't protest in a way that offends the right. You can't teach things that the right doesn't want you to teach.
You can't read things that they don't want you to read. You can't use words that they don't want you to use.
But they love free speech.

I guess fear not.

At least we'll always have art.

President Trump demanding a painting of him be he believes this picture is unflattering,

which really makes you think, do you think other pictures of you are flattering?

At least in the painting, they blended the foundation into your hair.

But painting is out.

Oddly enough, there is still one area of free speech that the right defends non-hypocritically i think they've come a long way meta facebook mark zuckerberg came to the white house who i like much better now you know i have a warm spot in my heart for tiktok twitter now they call it x it's great that elon bought that he's done us all a big favor he loves it meta. Meta X the tickety-tack.
Why is it that they're so enamored with social media? Studies by The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and academic organizations have found that the site forced political content on users. That content was almost invariably pro-Trump, pro-Republican, and pro-Musk.
Huh. The one area of free speech that they want to protect completely is the area that supports them and isn't actually free.
Social media is algorithmic, and it advances with key demographics, or to put that in the most hilarious way possible. The president sat down with OutKick's Clay Travis on Air Force One to discuss the status of his second term.

President Trump, getting to talk to you here on Air Force One,

I wanted to start with this.

Why do you think young men are so overwhelmingly coming in your direction. My work here is done.
Perhaps I can answer that question they are overwhelmingly coming in his direction because that is the direction they're facing i don't know if you know how that works but you really can't come in a direction you're not facing.

Although,

young men at that age, you could bank a shot.

I could... I could see one fly over the shoulder.

Maybe a trick shot where they

landed in a cup. You know where that would

go viral? media the one place the right will unequivocally protect free speech is the one place where the speech isn't actually free algorithms it's speech incentivized for engagement and profit it's manipulated. It just so happens that the same process that forces you to doom scroll somehow also draws you into Republican ideology.
Social media is a machine designed to stimulate the reptilian parts of your brain that would otherwise beg you to go outside. It's like being impressed that casinos give out free food.
It's not free. Social media isn't the town square open forum of ideas.
It's got a plan. In the summer of 2019, Facebook created a fake account for a 41-year-old mom.
They called her Carol Smith. Carol started off by liking a few popular conservative Facebook pages, but quickly, Facebook began dragging her down a rabbit hole of misinformation.
After only two days, Facebook recommended Carol follow a QAnon page, and a few days later, it suggested she follow another. By week three, Carol's feed had become, quote, a constant flow of misleading and polarizing content.
Now, Carol Smith is a completely fictional character, and yet her children have stopped talking to her. Although she was apparently added to a Pentagon group chat and knows the details about when they're bombing guys social media isn't the same as free speech social media is free speech in the way that doritos are food it's ultra processed it's designed laboratories.
It's the same mechanism that somehow convinced you that you should eat a 50 story skyscraper of potato ish. And the most disappointing thing, where are my conspiracy theorists at now that it's on the right?

For God's sakes, billionaires are designing machines to manipulate our speech, to control our behavior and rewire our brains.

They're removing our regular speech and doing a, I don't know, great replacement of it to solidify their hold on power. Are you awake yet? Come on.
You were with me on the lab leak thing. Remember what happened? Come on.
You've barely even touched your Epstein binders. Doesn't this bother you at all? Elon Musk has taken a very courageous stand for the First Amendment.
He's tough as a pine knot and the man's got guts. He's got he's got oranges the size of beach balls.
please stop with this foghorn leghorn bullshit. It's got all the kids the size of a baseball.
But let me guess. How do you feel about other billionaires owning and manipulating our media?

Mr. Soros is now the largest single shareholder in Odyssey radio stations.

In America, you can't just go do this. Mr.
Soros is a billionaire.

Pass me the sick bucket.

Sit and write. a billionaire, pass me the sick bucket.
Sitting right.

Pass us all the mother sick bucket. When we come back, Paul Rudd will be joining us.
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Welcome back to the daily show my guest tonight

an actor he stars

in the new movie

death of a unicorn

please welcome Paul Rowe Thank you. I'm sorry, John.
I'm on this new medication. and uh my perineum is on fire

you know

here's how beautifully you craft these bits

it took me a while to understand

that that was an inflamed perineum

at first

if I may

Thank you. Here's how beautifully you craft these bits.
It took me a while to understand that that was an inflamed perineum. At first, if I may, the physical crafting you do, and obviously the stage fighting classes you've taken and all the things, the control you have over your body, at first I thought sciatica.
It's clearly in the nether region. Yeah.
It was the bowing of the legs. It's the telltale giveaway

of an inflamed perineum.

Do we think...

Now, do we think it's...

Do we think it's...

Should I go first?

You go first.

Okay.

We hear perineum,

but we've also heard perineum. I thought you were going to say taint.
The layman's term, sure. Don't denigrate the term.
Perineum sounds like a... The poor man's perineum.
A perineum sounds like a flower. In many ways, isn't it? A delicate...
Yeah. The bouquet...
Yes. The aroma.
Yes, yes. Did you know, in your life, first of all, the way you walk, it's the difference between just an actor and a craftsman.
You gotta put yourself... You gotta throw your whole body into it.
By the time you were done, my perineum hurt. That's how powerful it was.
Transference. You felt it.
You felt it. No question.
That's good acting. Or is it acting? There is no way.
Is that the one part of your body that is corroding? I think. Is that your Achilles perineum? You know the portrait of Dorian Gray? I have a painting in my attic.
I call it my attic.

My Attica.

That is just a rotting old decrepit taint.

And I also have one where it looks like a spaceship.

It's called the Perennium Falcon. Yeah.
I do hope you'll get that checked out. Yeah.
That is... It is...
I have wondered this. Do you want to...
Yeah, you can't... Every commercial is for a medication.
No question. Everyone talks about the perineum and how it's some sort of side effect.
The other thing they also mention is, which is in a way even more disconcerting, because they do it with kind of a cheery voice right uh it's talking about bloody or black stools um is there a painting in your attic about that you want to you want to tell us about the other thing me crazy, they always say, and don't take it. Like, they've given you five reasons not to take this.
I mean, you've got to be thinking to yourself, the accident was not that bad, that I would risk my entire perineum. Would you rather have a little, like, flanking on your arm or something? One kid at the beach, and he's like, on my elbow, and they're literally like, your balls will fall off.
So they go through that and they think like, oh, these five things will not have dissuaded you.

The final one is always my favorite.

And don't take it if you are allergic to it.

Yeah.

I know.

What's the giveaway?

Oh, I think I might be allergic to this.

Yeah. How would you know unless...
Paul, I'm going to be honest with you. Finally! I didn't even know you still did movies.
I just thought we just... I thought you were a WebMDD doctor and I just brought you out here to talk.

Yeah, strictly medicines, medicines.

Do you have I am I am at the point now where I like I'll read an article on biohacking and like and they'll be like, it's an injection of NAD and ultraviolet rays. And you can't go outside for three months.
And I'll be like, I would do that. There is a thing that, like, is so strange.
We are so insistent on letting everyone believe they are sick in this country. Oh, shit.
You just got real. Oh.
No, but every commercial is one of these medicines. And my daughter, when she was little, you know, you just watch TV.
It was unavoidable. You play games with your kids of like, all right, we're going to go through, we have to name, you have to come up with a food.
We're going to go through A, like apple, banana, you know, cherries, whatever. We used to do...
No, keep going. I want to see how far this is going to go.
D would always throw us. No, D would always throw us.
Dates! We used to do it. My daughter would be four years old, and we would do it with medicines.
She'd be like, Abilify. And I swear to God, we could make it through the entire alphabet four years old normally you skip x but she's zeljans

it's right not a bit that's really true how many times are we gonna do zoivorax and zithromax yeah

xanax didn't even make the cuts god damn it is a very interesting you know uh

Thank you. to do Zoiverax and Zithromax.
Yeah. Xanax didn't even make the cuts.
God damn. It is a very interesting, you know, uh, remember Anacin? Good old Anacin.
Right. And it cured everything.
I just remember as a kid, I think all we had was Anacin, Bufferin, Bayer. They had like aspirin commercials.
Looks like somebody lived in a nice neighborhood. I had St.
Joseph's children's aspirin and I was 17 and had chlamydia. But how was your perineum? Gorgeous.
As Rihanna would say, shine like a diamond. You could eat off of that thing.
And boy, did I try. We all tried.
Can I tell you something? I've missed you. I've missed you, too.
What?

I haven't.

I think the last time I...

I see you every now and again at an event.

Once I moved out of the city, once you move out of the city,

for those urban sophisticates, you are a dead man.

I live out in New Jersey, and I would say to Paul Rudd...

Hold on one second.

Hard disagree.

Hard disagree. But I see you.
You are living now the dream that I sometimes think of, like your Kansas City Chiefs, they keep winning Super Bowls. You're out there with your son on the field, like celebrating the thing.
It's such a magical time. Our kids are around the same age, so we're all, they're going through the thing.
It's a big transition. Like, do you feel the empty nest of it all? Like, that's slowly starting to dawn on me.
Yeah. Yeah, I do.
I mean, I certainly feel older. My kids are older.
They have their own lives. I mean, I'm sitting here, you know, getting nostalgic about the Abilify game.
And so as I'm talking about it and I see, you know, people with little kids, I remember that. And I do feel it's the whole the thing for me when I see someone whose kid is at that age where you can still do the football hold,

and you've got the coffee in one hand, and the kid in the other, so the cigarette can just dangle.

It's a wild feeling when it washes over you, but it's also nice to have I guess, have them at that other, like, the conversations you can have with them. There's so much...
Yeah. Oh, it's great.
I mean, you always hear that, that it's like, oh, every age is great, and it's true. Right.
And it's an amazing thing. I was just in Australia, working in Australia, and my son was on break from school, and he came to visit.

It was the first time ever, by himself, and it was...

Came to visit you in Australia?

Yeah.

Fantastic.

It was great.

Did you...

The one thing I didn't do, and I probably should have done,

is make friends.

So... They have to be there.
I own them. But when they leave, it's just me eating a Jersey Mike's by myself watching a game.
Well, I don't know. Have you found this to be the case? Because I certainly have.
I think as I just as I get older, my world gets smaller.

And as far as friends, I do have friends, but I'm not nearly as social as I used to be.

I'm not on I'm not on any actual social media. I never have been.
So I do feel as if the world operates in a way that it's passing me by.

I I I it's like I sit alone with books. I sound like Simon and Garfunkel.
It's passing me by.

It's like I sit alone with books.

I sound like a Simon and Garfunkel song.

I am a rock.

You know, here's what's crazy.

I'm going to tell you something.

Look up for one second.

I do this every time we're together.

God, my life is f***ing horrible.

No, before I let you go, I want to show the audience something. I want everybody at home to look at this.
Paul is older than I am. And if I go home right now, my guess is somebody has ruined my taint painting.
Your tainting. You know, talk about an oil tainting.

He's got the movies.

Death of a Unicorn.

It's going to be in theaters everywhere.

Friendship with Tim Robinson, who may be the funniest man.

I laugh.

He's amazing.

Amazing.

Tim Robinson.

Tim Robinson.

And you're in the movie Friendship, which will deal with the things that we were just talking about. And then a movie about killing unicorns.
Yeah. Which we're not probably going to talk about that much.
Fine. We're not going to talk about any of this.
How do you, when you get, because the movie, it's wild. And you'll love it.
And Jenna Ortega's in it, and she's great, and the cast is insane. But I can't, when they pitch to you, they go, Paul, there's this movie.
We'd really love for you to have been in it. You play a lawyer.
And, oh, what does the lawyer do? Well, he's around murderous unicorns. And is that when you go, like, look, where the f*** are? I was in Marvel.
I don't. I get a thing that says, it's called Death of a Unicorn.
I'm like, where do I sign? That's the beauty of the improv. That's it? Well, it is always a pleasure and I hope that I host one day a week for the next 20 years and you come back to see us again.
I would love nothing more, John. I hope so too.
Death of a Unicorn! In theaters, everyone, it's really good. Thanks you.
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Hey, let's go for the night before we go. We're going to check in with yours.
Thank you. CEO of 23andMe.
It's a sad day for all the people who want to learn their family history, but a great day for all the secret fathers who wanted to keep that history quiet. And, of course, smart people like myself don't just give out our genetic information.
I keep mine safe and secure. Jesus, I'm sorry.
Oh, for God's sakes. Ronnie, you just group texted me your entire DNA sequence.
Okay, that was a small mistake, but otherwise my OPSEC is totally clean here. Come on, my knees.
Glad to hear it. Ronnie Chang, everybody.
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Your moment is in. President Donald Trump taking aim at a portrait of himself in the Colorado State Capitol.

He's calling it distorted and Ken and I-

Have you seen it?

We kind of agree.

It looks a little funny.

He took the Truth Social on Sunday to disparage the painting that was originally commissioned

by the Colorado GOP. In his post, he says that the painting was purposely distorted to a level that

even I perhaps have never

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I feel so alone.

I'm embarrassed to talk about it.

How can I help my kid if I can't

help myself? I can't remember

when I wasn't stressed.

I don't want to go inside.

When you feel overwhelmed

by your thoughts and emotions, it's