TDS Time Machine | Labor Day

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Speaker 10 While America's largest car maker struggles, America's largest retailer is thriving, Walmart has become a fixture in our country with its low, low prices and low, low employee morale. Now,

Speaker 10 as Samantha B reports, the company is, however, having a harder time gaining acceptance north of the border.

Speaker 11 Here I am in Quebec. They've taken the letters off this boarded-up shell of a store that just maybe could have been something.
But that dream was mercilessly crushed by this man.

Speaker 12 Oh,

Speaker 11 I didn't realize you were here. Walmart, a plucky retail underdog, tried to realize its dream by opening up this quaint 50,000-square-foot shop in Champierre, Quebec.

Speaker 11 The store was just getting on its feet when employee Gaytan Plured did the unthinkable. He started a union.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 11 Say that again, only this time

Speaker 11 not in gibberish.

Speaker 16 I participated in the formation of a union in

Speaker 14 Walmart modifying

Speaker 16 Walmart to modify their way of doing things.

Speaker 16 There was a large sense of panic at Walmart store.

Speaker 11 The company was frightened. For years, Walmart protected its employees from the burden of union dues by keeping unions out of every one of its 5,711 stores.

Speaker 11 But Gaytank could care less about maintaining Walmart's rich history.

Speaker 16 It's easy to be the biggest

Speaker 16 store when you are exploiting the small workers.

Speaker 11 Okay, fine, you're the little guy. But what about the biggest guy? You're crushing the dreams of every Walmart shareholder.

Speaker 16 Probably

Speaker 16 I'll thinking about

Speaker 16 sending them a little piece of my welfare.

Speaker 11 So, you wanted a livable wage and respect.

Speaker 11 No, I need you to do the air quotes.

Speaker 11 I need you to do my air quotes.

Speaker 16 Well, the conclusion is very clear.

Speaker 16 If you are working in other Walmart stores, if you want to form a union,

Speaker 16 well, they're going to close the store.

Speaker 11 Now that you're out of work and struggling to make ends meet, isn't this the time that you really need Walmart?

Speaker 11 For its part, Walmart has denied closing the store because of the union. They said it was for financial reasons.
We tried to reach Walmart for comment, but they didn't respond.

Speaker 11 So we set fire to a bag of dogs outside of one of their stores.

Speaker 11 To protest the closing, Guetin organized a terrifying 160-person multicolored unhappy face. Any Walmart executives that may have been flying by in a helicopter would have been plenty PO'd.

Speaker 11 It was a clear jab at Walmarty, Walmart's demonic, price-slashing Pac-Man.

Speaker 11 What is Walmart's raison d'être?

Speaker 11 Did you notice that I incorporated some French phrases into that question?

Speaker 11 Did that impress you?

Speaker 11 What would a world without Walmart be like? Americans would be forced to buy things at rickety mom-and-pop stores like these. A world where you have to go outdoors and cross streets to run errands.

Speaker 23 Hi. Hi.

Speaker 11 I need a 50-pack of Fritos, the DVD of beaches, and a 12-gauge shotgun.

Speaker 11 To call it inconvenient is an understatement.

Speaker 25 I need to get some winter radials for my car.

Speaker 13 Oh, we don't have those here.

Speaker 26 Oh, fing off.

Speaker 11 It's a hell on earth. I need diapers and I need funions.
Can you help me? No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 Damn it.

Speaker 11 Ultimately, Gaytin had his union, but no job. Yet one question remained: Is there room in any union for two men who are so obviously in love?

Speaker 11 Say it.

Speaker 16 Say it.

Speaker 16 combo songs,

Speaker 16 no.

Speaker 10 What about my guest tonight, an author whose new book is called There is Power in a Union: The Epic Story of Labor in America. Please welcome to the program, Philip Dre.

Speaker 10 Thank you for being here.

Speaker 19 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 10 There is power in a union.

Speaker 10 Have we in this country, do you think, have we forgotten the story of labor in this country? Have we forgotten the struggle that people went through at the turn of the century, last century?

Speaker 19 I think to a great extent we have, and that was really what prompted me to write the book because I felt that this movement, which our grandparents and great-grandparents were so involved in and that accomplished so much, a lot of the standards of workplace safety and hours and conditions we take for granted that story had largely been forgotten it's a great story of a social movement and I thought it was worth remembering it is you know

Speaker 10 the violence that came along with fighting to not have to work in a mine for the hours that they had to or not have to shop at a company store

Speaker 10 How were the workers able to withstand the kinds of assaults that were on them?

Speaker 19 Well, it was, of course, you're right, it was very violent, particularly in the 19th century.

Speaker 19 The workers really had, you know, the government took sort of a hands-off attitude until they started sending in the federal soldiers,

Speaker 19 and workers were often put down violently.

Speaker 19 You know, the armory buildings we see in our big cities today, most of them were put there so the troops would be able to gather near places of work to return.

Speaker 10 The steel strike in particular, the Pinkerton fellas went in, then the 300 Pinkerton guys.

Speaker 19 The homestead strike in 1892. Very violent.
And of course, what would happen usually is, you can imagine, the nation would be outraged at the violence. People had been killed.

Speaker 19 There'd be promises of reform.

Speaker 19 And that actually did slowly kind of move things forward to the point where we reached in the progressive era what they called industrial democracy, a feeling among progressives and even government officials that there must be a better way to do this.

Speaker 19 It's hurting productivity and profits. And also it's just we don't want to have this kind of

Speaker 19 large group of unruly, angry people in our nation's cities.

Speaker 10 Right. And that's that's gotten us to the point today where the biggest problem in the workplace obviously is you're just not supposed to look at that much porn.

Speaker 22 You're supposed to.

Speaker 10 Have the unions though

Speaker 10 the journey now, and I imagine there's another movement afoot, but

Speaker 10 So these groups that fought so hard to gain the basic respect and rights for the workers, have they themselves now become so entrenched and bloated that they have become the agents of corruption?

Speaker 19 Well, I think to a certain extent that's been one of the problems for unions over the last half century or so.

Speaker 19 The problems have been self-made in that a lot of the big unions began to mimic big business. Of course they had huge amounts of money on hand.

Speaker 19 The leaders tended to be people who had never actually been rank and file themselves, so there was a kind of a distance.

Speaker 10 And they use the same type of intimidation.

Speaker 10 in some respects.

Speaker 19 Exactly. And many of the leaders were sort of charismatic figures who couldn't be questioned from below.

Speaker 19 On the other hand, even though, of course, a lot of these corruption cases are famous, I think one has to be careful not to taint the entire labor movement with this idea that it's corrupt.

Speaker 19 I think people hold it to a higher standard because it's sort of a social and economic justice movement.

Speaker 19 But for every headline about corruption, there's hundreds of legitimate, legally functioning local unions across the country and always have been.

Speaker 10 Where do you see the vibrancy of the union movement right now? Where do you think the best work is being done and where do you think the most work needs to be done to reign in their power?

Speaker 19 Well, a couple of different things. One, of course is the last, I think for many years unions were kind of asleep at the wheel.

Speaker 19 I think they've come alive a little bit in the last generation or so. You see a lot of organizing of people who had never really been organized before, janitors, hospital workers.

Speaker 19 Just a couple weeks ago out in Los Angeles the car wash, 10,000 car wash workers began to organize. So you see that in America.
You also see kind of an attempt for

Speaker 19 labor to sort of go global really. In other words, that's what's happening now with globalization because jobs have been sent overseas.
Labor has to find a way to coordinate with workers overseas.

Speaker 19 And that means a different kind of labor movement, one that involves human rights groups, women's rights groups, environmental groups, anti-sweatshop organizations involving consumers.

Speaker 19 That's sort of picking up speed. I think we have to wait another 10 or 15 years to see if that'll really evolve.

Speaker 18 Right.

Speaker 10 And in terms of the areas where you think it needs reform, the actual union movement itself needs reform. Where do you see that?

Speaker 19 Well, I think you see that in a lot of unions now that are being asked for accommodations or pushback, in other words, to keep institutions or companies viable.

Speaker 10 Have the unions been good partners to the businesses where they've been? Have they been good partners to the automotive industry? Have they been good partners in education?

Speaker 10 Do you feel like those unions have been good partners?

Speaker 19 Well, the United Autoworkers, I think about a year or so ago, did

Speaker 19 give a number of things back in terms of privileges and benefits they had accrued. You know, it's always hard to give up something you fought for and won.

Speaker 19 You know, this goes back to the 1950s when they decided that they didn't need firemen on locomotives anymore. The firemen didn't, they didn't want to lose their jobs.
They were protected by the union.

Speaker 19 And there's been variations of that all along.

Speaker 19 And now you have the teachers' unions as well trying to work with the new charter schools, trying to find a way to accommodate reform without jeopardizing their own rank and you had a great story about you were in the musicians' union.

Speaker 18 Yes.

Speaker 10 And apparently there was an incident.

Speaker 19 Well this was yeah this was my introduction to being a union member actually.

Speaker 19 I was in the Minneapolis Musicians Union many years ago and one of the first after having to swear I would never play a mellotron which of course was an instrument that could emulate other instruments and take other people's jobs

Speaker 19 they began to call me and say we have to stop the Harlem Globetrotters. Yes.
The Harlem Grotters. Someone.
The Globetrotters.

Speaker 10 The man.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 the union was upset because the Globetrotters were coming to town but this year they decided they didn't want to hire an eight-piece orchestra. They wanted to use a tape recording.

Speaker 10 Sweet Georgia Brown.

Speaker 19 Of Sweet Georgia Brown, their theme song.

Speaker 19 And so the older members began calling people like me and saying, we need you out on the picket line. And of course, we were inclined to say, well, of course they want to use a tape recording.

Speaker 19 That makes perfect sense. So that was kind of an example of a kind of a generational switch, a different way of looking at things.
I don't believe they ever stopped the Harlem Globetrotters.

Speaker 10 Unfortunately, five people died.

Speaker 26 Five, including Georgia Trotter.

Speaker 10 But it is, you know, it's so important for people to remember, though, where the movement came from and the struggle that it did just to get people the basic human rights that workers should enjoy.

Speaker 10 And it's a really fascinating and great story. So thank you for writing it.
There is Power in a Union. It's on the bookshelves now.
Philip Dre.

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Speaker 10 We're beginning in Wisconsin with our continuing coverage of

Speaker 10 milk all over it

Speaker 10 in few places was the Tea Party's sweep last November more stunning than in Wisconsin where voters tossed out three-term progressive Democrat Russ Feingold from the Senate overturned Democratic majorities in the state assembly and Senate and for the first time in eight years, elected a Republican governor, Scott Walker.

Speaker 33 School districts spend millions more of our tax dollars than they need to for employee health care. We can save $68 million per year just by letting schools get into the state health plan.

Speaker 10 That relaxed guy on someone else's couch is right.

Speaker 10 So you can imagine Wisconsinites were plenty prepared when their newly elected governor tried to institute his cost-saving plan and were prepared for the, oh, I see. Wait now.

Speaker 32 What? No,

Speaker 32 right back. No, not that.

Speaker 26 No, I understand.

Speaker 10 But he was just, I under,

Speaker 10 guys!

Speaker 10 He said he was going to revisit the benefit plans of teachers and state workers.

Speaker 23 What's the problem?

Speaker 21 State workers, a lot of them teachers, furious over Governor Scott Walker's plans to cut their benefits and collective bargaining rights.

Speaker 21 Oh.

Speaker 10 So he's not only cutting union members' benefits, he also wants them to give up their ability to ever ask for them again.

Speaker 10 That can't be right. Take away a union's right to collective bargaining.
I believe that makes them just a bunch of people wearing identical t-shirts. I think that's

Speaker 10 like telling the Green Bay Packers they can't play football or telling Craigslist no adult services.

Speaker 10 It

Speaker 10 really defeats the purpose. I'm sure that that is not what the pleasant, casually dressed man in the advertisement meant.

Speaker 35 For us, this is about balancing the budget. We've got a $3.6 billion budget deficit.
We're broke. Just like nearly every other state across the country, we're broke.

Speaker 10 He's broke!

Speaker 10 These guys are walking around money. He's got nothing.

Speaker 10 And while, as of yet, Walker hasn't proposed any other specific cuts to the budget, he's going to do it tomorrow, and has even passed a plan to further reduce tax revenues for the state.

Speaker 10 through tax breaks. He's not looking to strip the union of its power.

Speaker 10 He's just looking for savings.

Speaker 12 The deal would be that the unions agree on the money issues, but they keep their collective bargaining rights. Governor, are you willing to do that?

Speaker 26 Well, no.

Speaker 10 So to close your $3.6 billion budget gap, the union must die. Less of a fiscal sacrifice, more of a ritual sacrifice to appease the gods of deficit.
Well,

Speaker 10 I'll tell you what, the remaining 14 state Senate Democrats are going to have a field day with this dude.

Speaker 37 In an effort to postpone the vote, 14 Democratic senators fled the state.

Speaker 10 You know when they say when the going gets tough, the tough get going? I don't think that's meant to be taken literally.

Speaker 10 Hey, honey, pack your bags. The going's getting tough.

Speaker 10 And so it fell to the good people of Wisconsin to make their case directly. The elegance of direct democracy in its purest form.

Speaker 38 You talk about coming to the table, the governor coming to the table. Do you think it was the right tactic for the Democratic senators?

Speaker 15 United, we stand.

Speaker 29 United, we stand.

Speaker 21 United, we stand. United, we stand.

Speaker 33 United. I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 I'm sorry. sorry.
I'm being told that we have a satellite delay to the 60s.

Speaker 26 I'm sorry.

Speaker 26 She's just asking you a question.

Speaker 10 Good old chanty on her.

Speaker 10 All right, a governor elected by the people to cut costs. First attempt at doing so comes at the expense of those that are in his employ, enraging them.

Speaker 10 I believe this is a recipe, A, for the worst Christmas party ever. But B,

Speaker 10 there's something familiar to the dynamics of this political back and forth.

Speaker 40 Is Madison, Wisconsin, Congressman, the tunisia of American politics now?

Speaker 39 There is an unbelievable parallel to people in the streets of Cairo and the people in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 42 The thousands of demonstrators are clearly inspired by the pro-democracy protesters in the Middle East.

Speaker 10 They're not the same in any way, shake or tongue. At all.

Speaker 10 At all.

Speaker 10 Not at all. It's.

Speaker 10 This is the same as people in the Middle East overthrowing years of dictatorship? Or is that just the last story you saw in the news?

Speaker 10 You know, the protests in Wisconsin remind me of the struggles of actor Charlie Sheen,

Speaker 10 bravely fighting his addiction, which in this analogy makes Governor Walker crack.

Speaker 31 Wait, no.

Speaker 10 Look, if I may, there are a few small differences between this and Cairo. The Egyptian protesters risk being shot.
The Wisconsin protesters risk being caught in a drum circle.

Speaker 10 And as for protesters charged that Walker is a tyrant, I will remind you that he was elected with 52% of the vote. Tyrants tend to poll in the high 90s.
So,

Speaker 10 come on, man. This is a cut.
400 people died in those protests. Reporters were brutally beat.
I'm sure you can come up with a more appropriate comparison.

Speaker 7 Many other states ultimately might not have the same balance sheet as Wisconsin, but I think ultimately collective bargaining, even from a federal level, these are big issues, and these costs need to be put under control.

Speaker 7 If the country is ever attacked like it was in 9-11, we all respond with a sense of urgency. What's going on on balance sheets throughout the country is the same type of attack.

Speaker 10 Thank you. Wait.

Speaker 10 That's insane.

Speaker 10 Collective bargaining and unions are then al-Qaeda for balance sheets. What does that make Wall Street?

Speaker 10 By the way, you work for CNBC, and since your network helped helped to promote that disaster, I guess you're Al Jazeera?

Speaker 10 Well, the budget crisis, it's not Cairo, it's not ground zero. What is it?

Speaker 44 Take a closer look at the vitriol and the violent rhetoric being spewed by these left-wing unions at these rallies.

Speaker 45 It's about the people looking to create chaos.

Speaker 35 On the backs of the worker.

Speaker 15 These union thugs who've taken over the capital, they certainly have a lot of chutzpah.

Speaker 41 This is what happens when you disagree with the left-wing in America.

Speaker 10 First of all, chutzpah?

Speaker 10 That's giving me a lot of cirrus.

Speaker 10 Wait a second, Fox. I thought you guys loved protests and the Americans that take to the streets.
Remember the tea parties?

Speaker 41 These are ordinary, decent, hard-working Americans.

Speaker 48 They're singing, God bless America, Beyond me.

Speaker 10 These are just average, everyday people.

Speaker 13 God-fearing, freedom-loving patriots.

Speaker 32 What happened?

Speaker 10 But if my theories are correct,

Speaker 10 if my analogy is to work, then there must be another news network that hates the Tea Party protests but loves the Wisconsin Union protests.

Speaker 10 Tea Party wackos are dead set on repealing the health care law.

Speaker 45 These are real American people who want a future and feel like they're being deprived of it.

Speaker 10 See, they're real people, but the other people were wackos. Don't you get what's happening here?

Speaker 10 The Union Wisconsin protest is the bizarro tea party.

Speaker 10 Yes, you've all seen that episode of Superman.

Speaker 10 But wait, this is correct. Tea partiers wear tri-corner hats.
What would the opposite of that be?

Speaker 43 All right, that'll do.

Speaker 10 As you know, if there's one thing all Americans can agree on,

Speaker 22 we love Black Friday.

Speaker 10 Whether you're a fan of shopping or trampling.

Speaker 10 Which is why I was so upset to see on this holiest of days a news story about people protesting in front of their local Walmart.

Speaker 15 Thousands of Walmart employees are staging walkouts and protests over this holiday weekend.

Speaker 15 The workers are upset about having to work on Thanksgiving Day, and they're also speaking out for better pay and and benefits. What?

Speaker 15 You bastards!

Speaker 23 You get to work at Walmart on Thanksgiving Day,

Speaker 10 a ringside seat to the greatest show on earth. It's a Black Friday tradition.

Speaker 32 We'll stab one of you, motherfuckers.

Speaker 10 Do you know how much people pay to go to fights like that?

Speaker 10 You get paid

Speaker 10 some

Speaker 10 to see it. Isn't that benefit enough? Truly, your vest runneth over.

Speaker 10 But that's not enough for you, greedy, hourly, slightly over-the-federal poverty line employees. Now you want to unionize.

Speaker 10 Besides, everyone knows, comparatively speaking, in the Walmart world, you've got it pretty big good.

Speaker 50 Violent protests in Bangladesh this morning after a deadly garment factory fire. Saturday's fire killed at least 112 factory workers.
The factory is owned by an exporter whose clients include Walmart.

Speaker 10 See?

Speaker 10 I work at Walmart in the United States. I can't afford to take my kids to the doctor.
Well, at least where you work, there are exits.

Speaker 10 And the worst part of that fire.

Speaker 10 The worst part of that fire is the devastating impact that it's going to have on Walmart.

Speaker 51 This is the big giant prize for unions. This is the big giant prize for those who are anti-capitalism.
If it's not this, it will be something else.

Speaker 51 I think it's a stretch, an amazing stretch, to sort of try to pin this on Walmart. I can't think of a worse target.

Speaker 18 Oh,

Speaker 10 I actually, I believe that's Walmart's slogan. Think of a worse target.

Speaker 10 But I'm sorry, you were being.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 That was Joe.

Speaker 10 Joe came up with that in the meeting and we're all like, we're using that.

Speaker 10 But I'm sorry, you were... I'm sorry, you were being callously dismissive about the working conditions in Bangladesh to score points against American unions.

Speaker 10 Continue.

Speaker 51 Don't think that the people in Bangladesh who perished didn't want or need those jobs as well.

Speaker 51 You know, I know we like to victimize everyone in this country, particularly when it comes to the for-profit motivation, which is being assaulted. Again, it is tragic.

Speaker 51 And, you know, listen, it's one of these things I don't think something like this will happen again.

Speaker 10 Okay, that's a relief. So, um,

Speaker 10 your first argument appears to be, yes, okay, they died in a fire, but they had jobs.

Speaker 10 You know, I think it's reasonable to assume your job won't entail some kind of inferno unless it's mentioned in the ad, which it's, oh, okay, well, I didn't realize. Now, your second argument is this.

Speaker 10 Your second argument appears to be,

Speaker 10 your second argument is, hey, man, this is just a one-off.

Speaker 10 Which could be a powerful hypothetical argument that I might buy into if moments earlier the giant graphic next to your head had not mentioned the 500 people over the past two decades killed in garment fires.

Speaker 10 Although perhaps you're just saying this type of fire won't happen again in this particular now burned down factory

Speaker 10 to which I would say

Speaker 10 touche.

Speaker 10 But I guess the point is unions will stop at nothing to destroy our way of life and Walmart is not the only American treasure on their hit list.

Speaker 41 If you love Twinkie's sorry, brace yourself for this one.

Speaker 10 Let me stop you right there.

Speaker 10 If you love Twinkies, you're probably already used to being told to brace yourself for bad news.

Speaker 10 Only usually

Speaker 10 from a guy who looks like this.

Speaker 22 But all right, continue.

Speaker 13 If you love Twinkies,

Speaker 41 sorry, brace yourself for this one.

Speaker 35 Time is run out for America's iconic baking company.

Speaker 11 After 82 years, Hostess is shutting down following a bankruptcy filing.

Speaker 10 No more Twinkies, no more ho-hos, no more snowballs, no more ring dings, no more ding-dongs, no more dong rings.

Speaker 23 No

Speaker 10 oh my god, that's not cream.

Speaker 10 Hostess willess Hostess will be no more.

Speaker 10 Oh no!

Speaker 10 Where will I go now for my stomach aches and self-medication?

Speaker 10 Where will I get the crap to fill the bottomless pit in me that will never be filled?

Speaker 23 Boxed wine?

Speaker 18 Armies? I'm not going back there.

Speaker 10 What could have destroyed this beloved American diabetes dispensary?

Speaker 51 The unions really did it in because they would not allow hostess to operate efficiently.

Speaker 41 Hostess, which was forced to close its doors due to union demands, they couldn't afford to stay in business during a long worker strike.

Speaker 49 The union preferred killing the company to accepting what they thought was a bad deal.

Speaker 23 Unions.

Speaker 10 And you got to imagine Gingrich is taking this heart. He is, after all, half snowball on his father's side.

Speaker 10 Just to play Devil Dog's advocate here, could there be another reason Hostess went bankrupt?

Speaker 48 This company could not run itself itself efficiently. In the last 10 years, they've had seven CEOs.

Speaker 10 Oh, uncertainty. I'm told the market abhors it.

Speaker 54 After the 2004 bankruptcy, the workers took wage and benefit cuts.

Speaker 13 It wasn't enough.

Speaker 54 The CEO gave himself a 300% raise.

Speaker 10 So the unions had already taken a cut. in somewhat inverse proportion to the CEO's rising compensation, which he totally deserved for convincing the union to take that cut.

Speaker 10 Anything else other than unions that could have sabotaged the company?

Speaker 20 Sales dropped as moms began swapping out those fat-filled goodies and white bread for healthier lunchbox foods.

Speaker 18 Moms.

Speaker 18 How dare you, moms!

Speaker 10 You know, maybe I just love America this much, but I say let Mars have them.

Speaker 10 So So Mars needs,

Speaker 10 I see a lot of children's movies

Speaker 43 because I have children.

Speaker 10 You know what I also think, and this is just a marketing tip, let's not forget that the hostess mascot is some kind of high-spirited country Western dildo.

Speaker 10 But as always, the real victims here be the children.

Speaker 12 Just sad that they're not going to know what Twinkies are. They're going to grow up not knowing what Twinkies are.

Speaker 10 You know each generation has its burdens. My kids might never know the pleasure of doing donuts in their high school parking lot in an AMC gremlin.

Speaker 10 I grew up not knowing polio.

Speaker 22 You get that.

Speaker 10 And if we're really craving a hit at Twink, we can always make our own.

Speaker 20 There are 37 ingredients in this little cake. Many you'd expect.
Some flour, lots of sugar, corn syrup. But how about corndextrin? That's the sticky glue found on the back of envelopes.

Speaker 20 And that smooth, creamy center? It's made from cellulose gum. That's used in hair gel, shampoo, even rocket fuel.

Speaker 10 Rocket fuel!

Speaker 10 That explains the blue flame that shoots out of my ass whenever I eat a Twinkie.

Speaker 10 Rector, we have a problem.

Speaker 10 You know what, though?

Speaker 10 When I I was making my Twinkies, I forgot the cellulose gum. Oh, I'm an idiot.
But you know what? I made myself a Twinkie using only 36 ingredients. It probably won't make that big a difference.

Speaker 10 I'm sure it's going to be about the same, right? It's going to be a oh, they're ready. Let's see what we got.

Speaker 10 Kill me.

Speaker 10 Please kill me.

Speaker 10 I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 17 Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a four-liter junk.

Speaker 17 When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

Speaker 26 Oh, come on.

Speaker 17 They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia Trip Planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

Speaker 10 Whatever.

Speaker 17 You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition.
Expedia, made to travel.

Speaker 11 There's a philosophical discussion underway in America about the minimum wage. Some people, like financial commentator Peter Schiff, think increasing it could have devastating effects.

Speaker 46 There's

Speaker 55 a law in economics, supply and demand.

Speaker 52 It's something that you learn in Econ 101.

Speaker 55 And as you increase the price of something, you decrease the demand. And wages, you know, that's the price of labor.

Speaker 10 The higher you make the minimum wage, the more jobs are going to be destroyed.

Speaker 15 I mean, you care about the poorest.

Speaker 32 Of course I do. Yeah.

Speaker 55 I just acknowledge that government programs are trapping them in poverty.

Speaker 11 Why have one job for $15 an hour when you could have two jobs for $7.50 an hour?

Speaker 55 Would you rather do that or pay twice as much for your burger?

Speaker 11 I do like to taste the tears of poverty in my milkshakes. I couldn't wait to discuss these economic theories with real-world fast food workers protesting for higher wages.

Speaker 11 If we raise the minimum wage, you know, eventually the market is going to adjust to that and then everybody's going to lose purchasing power.

Speaker 2 We cannot survive on the bare minimum.

Speaker 11 If we could just keep this out of the personal realm. All these fast food workers looking at things through their personal experience goggles.

Speaker 11 I found it so hard to explain those kinds of complex economic theories to those desperate people.

Speaker 30 I mean, did you ever go into a McDonald's or Burger King?

Speaker 55 I mean, I don't really eat there, but they don't seem desperate and hungry to me. They're young kids.
They seem to be enjoying themselves mostly.

Speaker 11 Those irrepressible teens with their teen hijinks. That's right.
These protesters are just teens having a goose. I mean, what are you complaining about? This is fun for you.

Speaker 11 You're a teenager just making some funny money to throw around and party with.

Speaker 52 I actually have

Speaker 55 five siblings, youngest siblings that I have to support.

Speaker 29 Ugh, this was getting harder than I thought.

Speaker 2 Hypothetically,

Speaker 11 how would you tell a 48-year-old man with a bachelor's degree who works full-time in fast food that he is not entitled to a living wage?

Speaker 55 You're creating a hypothetical situation that's not going to exist.

Speaker 43 I'm 48 years.

Speaker 11 You're 48 and you're still in high school?

Speaker 57 I have a bachelor's degree. And I end up working there because I was out of the job and couldn't find a job at the time due to the economy.

Speaker 11 Putting a face to the people on supply and demand graphs is really confusing. Thank goodness, goodness the economic theories on how the minimum wage destroys jobs are ironclad.

Speaker 11 Author and equities analyst Barry Ritholtz.

Speaker 40 There are a number of studies that have come out that show increasing the minimum wage actually improves the economy.

Speaker 5 Shut the f

Speaker 29 up.

Speaker 40 If we raise people up just $11 so they're at the poverty level, they'll go out and they'll spend that money on food and medicine.

Speaker 11 Sure, that sounds good, except for one simple thing.

Speaker 55 People don't go hungry

Speaker 55 in a capitalist economy. It's socialism that creates

Speaker 55 scarcity, that creates famine. In a free market, there's plenty of food for everybody, especially the poor.

Speaker 11 And the fact that people in our economy aren't hungry is all the proof you need that free market capitalism is the answer.

Speaker 40 Lots of people working full-time for profitable companies like Walmart and McDonald's need food stamps and welfare because they can't afford to feed their kids.

Speaker 40 McDonald's and Walmart Walmart are the biggest welfare queens out there.

Speaker 40 What?

Speaker 40 They're taking advantage of the safety net in order to capture more profits and lower their costs.

Speaker 11 As it turns out, the fast food industry alone costs taxpayers roughly $7 billion a year in public assistance to their employees. It's practically McWalmark's cyst.

Speaker 11 But for many, when it comes to our economy, it's our country's founding principles that matter.

Speaker 55 If we eliminated the minimum wage law, then individuals would be free to accept jobs at whatever pay they are able to get.

Speaker 11 Paint me a picture of a person whose work would be worth $2 an hour.

Speaker 30 You know somebody who might be?

Speaker 55 Maybe somebody who is,

Speaker 55 you know, what's the politically correct word,

Speaker 30 you know, for,

Speaker 55 you know, mentally retarded. What's the new...

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 55 That's what I believe in the principles that the country was founded on but I'm not going to say that we're all created equal you're worth what you're worth

Speaker 11 what you're worth just like our founding fathers said you're worth what you're worth and we're not all created equal

Speaker 10 yesterday the NCAA settled a lawsuit with former college basketball and football players who were seeking compensation for the millions of dollars of profit the NCAA had made off their likeness in video games.

Speaker 6 So now,

Speaker 10 the NCAA advances in the bracket to their next lawsuit. But where will it end? With fairly compensating athletes for the ungodly amounts of money they bring into the NCAA?

Speaker 10 I hope not. This is America.

Speaker 32 How far can it go?

Speaker 10 Jordan Klepper has more.

Speaker 8 College football is the last bastion of sports amateurism, where student athletes play for the love of the.

Speaker 32 Oh, damn, did you see that hit?

Speaker 5 He got crushed.

Speaker 43 But now, this sport is being ruined by players like Kane Coulter seen here selfishly writhing on the ground who insist they deserve more you know right now not one penny is is guaranteed to pay for our medical expenses you hear all these horror stories about players losing their scholarships after they've been injured you know what are these kids gonna do they should get a second job we already have a full-time job we don't have time to get a second job Okay, well then why don't you just sell Kane Coulter jerseys?

Speaker 46 Make some extra cash.

Speaker 43 You're not allowed to profit off your likeness.

Speaker 3 Why don't you just join another league?

Speaker 43 There is no other league.

Speaker 52 You got a lot of complaints.

Speaker 43 Unfortunately right now, you know, a lot of those expenses down the road are going to be coming out of our own pocket, even though, you know, we suffered the injuries wearing our school's colors.

Speaker 46 Don't you think when you go in with back pain that that doctor instead of money will accept a nice little anecdote about how fun it was to beat Wisconsin?

Speaker 7 We didn't beat Wisconsin.

Speaker 46 Well, well, that's on you.

Speaker 8 Whether it's Coulter and other collegiate athletes once again whining that they deserve a cut of NCAA profits or brand new complaints about losing their eligibility because they played pickup football while serving in the military.

Speaker 5 It was just an intermediate league, you know, to build camaraderie between troops.

Speaker 56 I didn't figure they would penalize me for that.

Speaker 8 But then Coulter did something truly despicable.

Speaker 10 Northwestern University's football team is asking to be represented by a labor union.

Speaker 30 Yes, a union.

Speaker 8 Coulter is actually trying to claim that he's an employee of the university.

Speaker 30 Clearly, the football players should stick to football.

Speaker 5 Fumble!

Speaker 32 Fumble!

Speaker 29 You alright? Yep. You okay? Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 46 You're not an employee.

Speaker 29 You're a football player.

Speaker 43 No, we are employees, just like the NFL players are employees, college football players are employees.

Speaker 46 An employee has to sign a contract.

Speaker 43 College football players sign one-year tender agreements for the scholarship.

Speaker 46 Alright, well, employees have to work like 40 hours a week.

Speaker 43 We spend 50 to 60 hours a week practicing in the offseason.

Speaker 46 Well, they.

Speaker 46 Employees get compensation.

Speaker 43 We're compensated in the form of a scholarship, room tuition, and board.

Speaker 46 Employees don't live in dorms.

Speaker 32 Oh!

Speaker 32 Oh!

Speaker 30 Gotcha!

Speaker 8 Meanwhile, true college football fans like Republican strategist Dee D De Banky understand that to offer the players compensation of any kind would destroy this beloved sport.

Speaker 58 They get free room and board, a free education, and they're playing the game they love. That's not enough.

Speaker 46 These guys are getting free water on the sidelines.

Speaker 30 Yeah, exactly. Free Gatorade.
Yeah.

Speaker 46 Free trips on that little cart that takes you to the emergency room.

Speaker 58 Well, that's up to them. If they don't want to play football, they can do something else.
These football players should be playing for the love of the game.

Speaker 30 Exactly.

Speaker 8 Take a lesson from the NCAA and their sponsors who put on their annual bowl game series for the love of the... Wait, who the f is Beefo Brady?

Speaker 8 Okay, maybe the NCAA does make $11 billion a year, but unions are not the answer, says the NCAA.

Speaker 59 Using

Speaker 59 a union employee model strikes most people as

Speaker 59 a grossly inappropriate solution to the problem.

Speaker 8 And these players had no idea how inappropriate.

Speaker 58 What are these football players going to do if they unionize? Do they get a mandatory smoke break every hour? What happens if they strike? Unions are overbearing. They're worthless.

Speaker 58 They want to control everything. And they just try to be money-grabbing losers and try to take the money out of hard-working Americans' pockets.

Speaker 6 Dee Dee, these.

Speaker 6 The cruise union. So they control the...

Speaker 8 The players are determined to take this to the courts, forcing critics like Bankie to see that, okay, maybe these players should get a small, small, tiny slice of the pie.

Speaker 58 And CAA, they have a ton of cash. They need to beef up the scholarships.
I agree with that. I think most people do.

Speaker 46 They need to beef up these scholarships a little bit. They just need some sort of group who can maybe collectively bargain on their behalf.

Speaker 58 Well, I don't know about that. No.
Keep the unions out of it.

Speaker 8 Keep the unions out of it. Now is the time to show culture what unionized college football would really look like.

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Speaker 8 You hand it off to my man right here. He is 30 to 20.

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Speaker 13 My guest tonight is the president of the Amazon Labor Union. He led Amazon workers at a Staten Island warehouse to successfully form the first union in any of the company's U.S.
facilities.

Speaker 61 We went for the juggler and we went for the top dog because we want every other industry, every other business to know that

Speaker 61 gangsters teams.

Speaker 61 We're going to unionize. We're not going to quit our jobs anymore.

Speaker 31 And,

Speaker 61 you know, this is a prime example of

Speaker 61 the power that people have when they come together.

Speaker 61 What's going on, Abu? Welcome.

Speaker 13 The man who took on Amazon and won, Chris Molles, welcome to the daily show. Thank you.
Thank you, man. What an insane story.

Speaker 13 Like, I remember when this first started, you know, the pandemic was happening, Amazon was ramping up production, the workers were struggling, people were complaining.

Speaker 13 and then your story popped up as an idea and everyone said the same thing and said, this guy's crazy, this is going to fail, you cannot beat Amazon and you did. Let's start at the beginning.

Speaker 13 Did you think you stood a chance? I know you did what you did, but did you think you stood a chance?

Speaker 56 I knew the whole time.

Speaker 29 You knew you were going to stop.

Speaker 13 The reason I ask you that is because Amazon, like people have tried to form unions in some of Amazon's other warehouses. They failed dismally.

Speaker 13 Like Amazon's got a really good marketing marketing program inside. You know what they do as an Amazon worker.
Talk me through that process. So you were inside Amazon, you're working, right?

Speaker 56 Well, I was fired two years ago after I let a walkout. But I worked for the company for almost five years.
I started in 2015 in New Jersey. So I was promoted up to a supervisor level.

Speaker 56 I was in that position for four years.

Speaker 56 up until my termination and I definitely learned the ins and out of the warehouse and the operations.

Speaker 56 I trained thousands of their employees, hundreds of their management that are now upper management to this day. So for me, organizing was just I'm playing for a different team and I'm with the people.

Speaker 24 I love that.

Speaker 13 When you thought of organizing, obviously there was a reason. You know, every one of us reads about Amazon from the outside.
We hear these stories. People don't get enough breaks.

Speaker 13 Some people are peeing in bottles. Some people are stressed out because they have to meet random quotas that Amazon imposes on them.

Speaker 13 Just the other day, for instance, I think it was on Easter, you know, there was a sign-up that said,

Speaker 13 thank you for working on Easter, and if you meet your quota, you're going to get like a bag of chips or something.

Speaker 13 It feels dystopian from the outside, but how much of that is actually true? What is it like to work in an Amazon warehouse?

Speaker 56 It is true.

Speaker 56 As an Amazon worker, we're disconnected from outside.

Speaker 56 We work 10 to 12 hours a day. If you work in New York and you're going to Staten Island, your commute is two and a half hours, three hours, depending on what borough you live in.

Speaker 56 I lived in New Jersey, so my commute is definitely a long commute. And I used to tell my new hires, if you got a gym membership, you might want to cancel it.
Wow.

Speaker 56 You know, because you're working 10 to 12 hours, you get a 30-minute lunch, you're doing calisthegs all day.

Speaker 13 When you're in the warehouse,

Speaker 13 what is the thing that you're fighting for the most?

Speaker 13 Because you know, some people hear the fights against Amazon, they think about wages, you know, they think about time off, they think about the way people are treated within the warehouse.

Speaker 13 You know, obviously, everyone wants a better workplace altogether, but when you looked looked at the hierarchy of needs, what was the top priority?

Speaker 13 And then as you came down that pyramid, what were you looking to get?

Speaker 56 Well, I noticed that Amazon is ran completely off metrics. You know, there was no human aspect to it.
You know, you get fired by email or

Speaker 28 app, A to Z app.

Speaker 6 Were you serious?

Speaker 56 Yeah. You know, people didn't have an interaction.
They didn't know their managers.

Speaker 56 And there was a system in place to hire and fire. And, you know, it was before COVID when I realized that there's a system that's not only in place to fire people, but it was also discriminatory.

Speaker 56 I applied to be a manager, a salaried manager, over 50 times in five years, and I was only interviewed twice. So

Speaker 56 it wasn't fair, it wasn't consistent with everybody

Speaker 56 that worked there. And I knew before COVID that something had to be done.
And when COVID hit, it was a life or death situation. I decided to take further action.

Speaker 13 When you look at how to start a union, one of the hardest things is, if I understand

Speaker 13 correct me if I'm wrong, is you need 30% of the signatures of the workers to begin the process.

Speaker 13 One of the hardest reasons you can't do that at Amazon is because they hire and fire so quickly.

Speaker 13 So how did you get around that obstacle of getting people on board and then having them be around long enough to be part of the beginnings of a union?

Speaker 56 Yeah, well, education is key. You know, we had to educate them on what the union provides.

Speaker 56 Educate them on laws that protect them. without a union.
So certain protections we do have that workers don't even know.

Speaker 56 So we had to make sure that we are educating the workers to get to a point where they start organizing themselves.

Speaker 56 And once we got to that point, we said, okay, you know, we're not going to go for, there's four facilities over there, we're not going to go for all four.

Speaker 56 We're going to break it down and go one by one by one. And I think Amazon was caught off guard by that.
They thought that we were going to go for all four, which we did try and we had to withdraw.

Speaker 56 But then we changed up our strategy and started doing it one by one. We were able to get to our threshold.

Speaker 13 They came for you as well. You know, I saw one of the emails that circulated from, you know, you never know where it comes from, but inside Amazon, where they came after you.

Speaker 13 You know, they would disparage you to the other workers. One of the worst things I saw they wrote about you is they said

Speaker 13 he's unintelligent, he's not well-spoken enough to start a union. No one should follow this guy.

Speaker 13 I mean, basically, they were like, he's a rap black man, essentially, was what they were saying about you. And so they're telling people, don't trust him, and they were saying, he can't do this.

Speaker 13 Now, obviously, you proved them wrong.

Speaker 56 Well, they said it.

Speaker 32 Yeah, they said it.

Speaker 28 And I wondered like

Speaker 13 Because you were a rapper before you started working

Speaker 13 in warehouses and I wondered did you did you take this as a rap beef? Were you like, oh, okay, we're doing this? Was there a feature that was like, all right, Amazon, we're doing this?

Speaker 61 This track coming.

Speaker 61 No, you know what?

Speaker 45 I haven't rapped.

Speaker 56 I haven't rapped in so long. I haven't rapped since my college years, but I guess it just keeps resurfacing.

Speaker 56 Media, they dig into your past oh yeah they do definitely so so you know I haven't rapped in so long but you know my my mom would tell you you know my voice is meant for something else so yeah this is it I really love that

Speaker 13 so then let's talk about the future

Speaker 13 You're in an interesting situation now where so you are the ALU president, right? You've done something that no one thought was achievable.

Speaker 13 The vice president, as I understand, still works at Amazon, which was a smart move because you wanted someone on the inside.

Speaker 13 What are you looking to do now? Because I know this is not the end. This is the beginning of the story.

Speaker 13 And when the union was formed, you even

Speaker 13 sent a message out to Jeff Bezos. It was like pretty direct where you were going like, this is the beginning.
This is only the beginning. And you thanked him.
That was interesting to me.

Speaker 13 You thanked him for flying in his penis-shaped rocket.

Speaker 13 No, I'd love to know why you think that was so significant. Why do you think that that actually helped with the unionizing efforts?

Speaker 56 Well, well you know we while he was up there it was true you know we were outside I was outside signing workers up so I'm just telling the truth you know and he needs to know that you know he thought he thanked us when he came back you know we paid for that trip so you know in this case we wanted to remind him that you keep going to space we're going to continue to unionize I love that damn

Speaker 13 what's what are you what are you trying to do going forward now so You know, many people out there, this is something I've really enjoyed about watching how you work.

Speaker 13 You've centered the union around the workers and the workers alone. You know, politicians will always try and make it like the union is theirs.

Speaker 13 You know, they'll go like, oh, this is the Democrats, this is the Republicans. And you've gone like, no, no, no, this is the workers' union.
You know, because unions help all the workers.

Speaker 13 It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is. You're fighting for the workers.

Speaker 13 I'd love to know why or how you thought of doing that where so many would have aligned themselves with politicians. You've gone, no,

Speaker 13 I'm choosing not to do that.

Speaker 56 Yeah, you know, we want to represent all people, you know, your worker, whether you're left, right, up, down, middle, red, yellow, green, we don't care.

Speaker 56 We want to make sure that it's all inclusive and putting workers in the driver's seat, that's the ultimate power.

Speaker 56 You know, if you start to align with certain groups, then Amazon uses that against you. You know, all right, this union president from this established union salary is half a million dollars.
Yes.

Speaker 56 With me, they can't do that. I'm unemployed.
So it's different. You know, it's different.
You know, and having the workers in the driver's seat

Speaker 56 and having them at the negotiating table,

Speaker 56 putting together a contract that protects them, especially the ones that work for the company and know the ins and out of the company. That's the best thing ever.

Speaker 56 And I want to give the power back to them by this union. And that's exactly what we're trying to do.

Speaker 13 What do you hope to achieve with the union? So give me some of the things that you know need to change now in an Amazon warehouse that all of us watch, because everyone, we use Amazon.

Speaker 13 People love the service, but at the same time, you know, it's conflicting because people go like, wait, how are they being treated?

Speaker 13 You know what I mean? It's a a weird position for many people to be in. So

Speaker 13 what would you say to everyone going like, hey, this is what needs to change in Amazon? This is why we're trying to do this.

Speaker 56 Right. You know, well, customers need to know that just because you hit one click buy, it's not magic.
You know, these are real people being affected.

Speaker 56 You know, we want y'all to stand in solidarity with these workers. They come from y'all community.
They're your neighbors. And we're customers too as workers.

Speaker 56 And the first thing we're fighting for is job security. Like you mentioned, they hire and fire people all the time.

Speaker 56 You know, there's people that are homeless working working there, people in shelters working there that we help.

Speaker 56 We're fighting for $30 an hour with higher wages, better medical leave options, making everybody a shareholder again, who they stopped in 2018, bringing back the monthly bonuses.

Speaker 56 Amazon workers know what I'm talking about. VCP, which was for productivity and attendance.
We used to get that. They stopped that in 2018 as well.
Bringing back hazard pay.

Speaker 56 They think the pandemic is over. People are still working, catching COVID, still being sick.

Speaker 56 And also, you know, providing a better quality of life, a pension, free college for themselves and their children as well. Everything a union can provide, we want to provide with this union.

Speaker 56 You're a legend, my boy.

Speaker 32 Thank you so much for being here. For real.

Speaker 13 Man, everything you've done.

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