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Speaker 7 I'm Josh Johnson. We've got so much to talk about tonight.
We find out how people are using ChatGBT without asking ChatGBT. Trump can't unsubscribe from his old friend's emails.

Speaker 7 And Epstein wasn't just a sex criminal, he was a caddy bitch.

Speaker 7 So let's get right into it with another installment of the very normal and not shady handling of the Epstein files.

Speaker 8 It's pretty boring stuff.

Speaker 7 Yesterday, the Epstein story exploded back into the national conversation when House Democrats released three emails that Jeffrey Epstein wrote about as BFF Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 But Donald Trump has the entirety of the GOP behind him. And you know these world-class strategists have a plan for getting this story off the front page.

Speaker 9 As part of the Republican response to the selective and limited release of emails by the Democrats, Republicans stepped up and put out 20,000 pages of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents.

Speaker 6 Oh no!

Speaker 12 This is the downside of your people really having your back because

Speaker 7 they were basically like, he got nothing to hide. Here's 20,000 more emails.

Speaker 7 Don't you people know anything about a cover-up? This is like trying to hide pissing yourself by shitting yourself.

Speaker 7 Trump's people spent a year saying there are no Epstein files. Now there's 20,000 pages and those still aren't the files.

Speaker 6 What happened?

Speaker 7 There's now more pages of Trump Epstein lore than Batman and Superman crossover.

Speaker 7 And look, these 20,000 pages weren't all about crimes. A lot of it was just weird, bro shit about women that they dated.

Speaker 15 Epstein says in these emails that he could produce photos of Donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen.

Speaker 15 Epstein claims that he and Trump had dated the same woman back in the 1990s, saying, my 20-year-old girlfriend in 1993 that after two years I gave to Donald.

Speaker 12 Man, I'm glad Hillary killed that guy.

Speaker 7 Because I can't imagine a worse way to break up with someone than setting them up with Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 If someone broke up with me and they were like, I don't deserve you, but you know who does?

Speaker 7 And then Donald Trump walked in, I'd be like, damn, I didn't know you hated me.

Speaker 7 And by the way, just as a side note, the woman people say Epstein might be referring to is a Norwegian cosmetics heiress whose name, and I am not making this up, is Selena Middelfart.

Speaker 7 And if you're watching this from Norway and you're like, it's Middelfart,

Speaker 12 That is basically what I just said.

Speaker 7 Now, she has denied that she ever dated either of them, which I get, but more importantly, how is Selena Middlefart a real name?

Speaker 7 It sounds like a bad spy name.

Speaker 7 Like, if you broke, if you were a spy and you broke into a super secret security office, and right after you grab the disc or whatever, you turn the corner, and then there's someone looking at you, and they say, Who are you?

Speaker 7 And you haven't thought that far.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 7 you almost say Selena Gomez, but you know that's not gonna work.

Speaker 7 So you're like, Selena, Selena, and you get nervous when you're you know trying to come up with a name and it makes you fart in the middle of your sentence.

Speaker 18 So you're like, Selena Middleford.

Speaker 7 And then that guy is just like, oh, okay, do you know where the bathroom is?

Speaker 7 But these emails don't just show their friendship. They show their frenemyship.
And after their bromance ended, Epstein really showed that hell hath no fury like a pedophile scorned.

Speaker 15 He says Trump is borderline insane. He says Donald Trump is effing crazy.
Maybe Donald Trump has early dementia. Rummler says Trump is so gross.
And Epstein responds worse in real life and up close.

Speaker 6 Damn.

Speaker 6 A pedophile called you all that?

Speaker 7 That's wild. It would be like if the devil came out and said y'all diddy gross, okay?

Speaker 7 We were alone for five minutes. You know, he tried to kiss me.

Speaker 7 And when I pushed him away, he hit me with a water balloon full of baby oil. I don't even know what that's for.

Speaker 7 This is one of the many reasons being friends with a pedophile is a lose-lose situation. Because as a character witness, if they're like, this guy's disgusting and I'm a pedophile, that's bad.

Speaker 7 But on the flip side, if they're like, yeah, I know him, he's a pretty good hang.

Speaker 13 That's also horrible.

Speaker 7 It's why you should choose your friends wisely because remember, if you do something embarrassing in front of a friend, that's a memory. But if they turn on you, it becomes ammo.

Speaker 20 Epstein suggesting reporters ask my houseman about Donald almost walking through the door, leaving his noseprint on the glass as young women were swimming in the pool.

Speaker 20 And he was so focused, he walked straight into the door.

Speaker 7 There is no way this dude is Looney Tunes level horny.

Speaker 7 You know, there's normal level perv and then there's Kool-Aid Man level perv.

Speaker 7 Hey, Don, you want to see some girls in the pool?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 And look, also, I'm not saying Trump has a micropenis.

Speaker 7 But it's weird he got all horned up and his nose hit the glass first.

Speaker 7 So the GOP didn't do Trump any favors by releasing these emails. They basically saw his grease fire and said, let us add some water.

Speaker 7 And his supporters on TV aren't doing that much better.

Speaker 21 This is obviously an attempt to smear the president by cherry-picking.

Speaker 22 This is just all for show.

Speaker 15 A distraction.

Speaker 11 Just ridiculous.

Speaker 20 The carnival showed. It's journalistically malpracticed.

Speaker 7 Why weren't they as concerned about Bill Clinton? They love to create drama.

Speaker 10 This whole Epstein Files thing, a little bit played out.

Speaker 23 Played out?

Speaker 7 You know shit's bad when the sensationalist media is like, you guys don't want to hear about the international island sex scandal. Let's talk about budgetary cuts.
Let's get nasty.

Speaker 7 Come on guys, that's not going to work. If you want to downplay this story, you need a master.
All right. Megan Kelly, you're a master of spins.
Show us what you got.

Speaker 16 As for Epstein, he wasn't into like eight-year-olds, but he liked the very young teen types.

Speaker 15 There's a difference between a 15-year-old and a five-year-old.

Speaker 16 You know, it's just whatever.

Speaker 24 It's sick.

Speaker 7 How the hell was Megan Kelly ever an attorney?

Speaker 12 Your Honor, my client only engaged in diet pedophilia.

Speaker 7 Ma'am, everyone knows there is a big difference between a 15-year-old and a five-year-old, but everyone also knows there is never a good reason to be talking about that difference.

Speaker 12 For more on the new batch of Epstein emails, we go live outside the Capitol to Troy Awada.

Speaker 12 Troy, you've been going through all the emails.

Speaker 7 What have you learned?

Speaker 17 I'll tell you what I've learned, Josh. I've learned Jeffrey Epstein is a sick, sick man, and he has some of the most disturbing grammar I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 Grammar? I thought you'd be more upset about the sex crimes.

Speaker 17 Yeah, of course, of course.

Speaker 17 We're all upset about the sex crimes, but the grammar, Josh.

Speaker 17 And the punctuation.

Speaker 17 Look at this email this adult man sent, okay?

Speaker 17 Recall, I've told you, then what looks like quotation marks that are somehow at the bottom,

Speaker 17 and then hyphen, hyphen, I have met some very bad people, and then the bottom quotation marks again.

Speaker 17 Like, where is he getting this punctuation from?

Speaker 17 Do pedophiles have a special keyboard?

Speaker 17 Is he putting his keyboard in a bag and just shaking it around?

Speaker 7 I agree that's weird, but I don't think that's the takeaway here.

Speaker 17 Yeah, of course not. Of course not.
No, sex crimes are bad. Everyone knows that.
But like, they're not the only crimes being committed here.

Speaker 17 Like,

Speaker 17 listen to this. Listen to it.
This is him complaining about a BuzzFeed article. Okay.

Speaker 17 Read the UzFeed.

Speaker 17 Read my Airplane Logs and Hawaiian Tropic Contest.

Speaker 17 Period/slash.

Speaker 17 Like, he doesn't know how to spell Hawaii?

Speaker 17 Just Jeffrey, kill yourself.

Speaker 6 We already did.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 3 Good.

Speaker 7 Okay, but Troy, so yes, the period slash is weird, but the punctuation is not as important as Jeffrey Epstein trafficking people.

Speaker 17 Okay, well, clearly he never trafficked Strunken White, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 No, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 17 You don't know Elements of Style by William Strunk Jr. and E.B.
White? Okay. All right.

Speaker 25 Tell me you're a pedophile without telling me you're a pedophile. Dude!

Speaker 17 Sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry.
It's just upsetting, okay? I mean, look at this invitation to the Epstein Island he sent. Deck, space, space, visit me Caribbean.

Speaker 17 Like, what happened to the language of hospitality? Like, why isn't it, would you care to meet me in the Caribbean for sex crimes this December, good sir? You know?

Speaker 6 Not visit me Caribbean.

Speaker 17 Like, who wrote this? Cookie Monster?

Speaker 7 Fine, you're right.

Speaker 12 It's a problem.

Speaker 17 It is. And, you know, it's part of a much bigger problem.

Speaker 17 Illiteracy is at an all-time high in America. And this is about more than just spelling or sex crimes.

Speaker 12 This is only about sex crimes.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 17 it's about paying our teachers what they are worth.

Speaker 17 It is about fostering a love of learning in our children. So that when these children grow up and commit crimes,

Speaker 17 Whatever crimes they choose to commit, they will at least be able to f ⁇ ing spell.

Speaker 7 Wow, that's so inspiring. You're right, Troy.
We need to focus our time and resources on those who matter most.

Speaker 17 On those whom matter, Josh.

Speaker 7 That's definitely incorrect.

Speaker 12 Troy Iwada, everyone.

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Speaker 7 People say AI is going to take young people's jobs, but what if it's already taken their brains? Ryan Chang hit the streets to find out.

Speaker 8 Artificial intelligence. We were told it was going to turn every big dumb idiot into someone who could solve one of these.

Speaker 23 I think AI will make everyone smarter and more effective.

Speaker 8 The new book, Brave New Words, How AI Will Revolutionize Education and Why That's a Good Thing. But outsourcing all the work our brains normally do might be humanity's last shitty idea.

Speaker 11 A new MIT study revealing that using AI can impact a person's ability to learn, think, and remember.

Speaker 12 It could actually be impacting your brain and dumbing you down.

Speaker 10 Students who wrote essays with the help of things like chat GPT had reduced brain activity.

Speaker 18 So I'm on campus to find out how aware students are of their own AI brain rot.

Speaker 15 I think it's genuinely making everyone so dumb.

Speaker 29 Do you feel the cognitive decline?

Speaker 28 I do, yeah. It does make you feel dumber.

Speaker 29 Does it maybe make you want to stop using it?

Speaker 23 Yeah, it does. But will you stop using it?

Speaker 28 Hopefully over time.

Speaker 23 So no. So no.

Speaker 29 So you, I know you're just like a young kid, but in your ignorant perspective, can you feel that AI is affecting you learning the fundamentals?

Speaker 28 I feel like, not me personally.

Speaker 29 Everyone else is stupid, just not you.

Speaker 23 Yes, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 29 You're the only one using heroin correctly.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 29 So which AI do you use?

Speaker 23 Well, I use Grok most often. But what do you like about Grok?

Speaker 28 Grok? Other than the Nazi shit?

Speaker 23 Well, it can articulate in English really well.

Speaker 24 You know, just answering some of my questions that I randomly appear to be.

Speaker 29 Like, why are white people better?

Speaker 24 Definitely not those, but like just some philosophic questions I think about sometimes.

Speaker 29 Like, what is the final solution?

Speaker 23 What do you use AI for?

Speaker 28 I ask it, like, what is this philosopher's position on this thing? Yeah, you don't learn that in school.

Speaker 6 That's what AI is for.

Speaker 28 Well, I learn it, and then if I forget it, then I get a refresher.

Speaker 29 So why do you just listen in class?

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 28 That's a good question.

Speaker 26 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 29 What was the last thing you asked ChatGPT and why was it, will you be my girlfriend?

Speaker 28 I didn't ask, will you be my girlfriend?

Speaker 29 But I did ask ChatGPT last night,

Speaker 29 how does this case work and what is the right answer?

Speaker 30 Sure.

Speaker 29 Between ChatGBT doing your homework and your mom doing your laundry,

Speaker 29 this gives you 24 hours a day to just jerk off.

Speaker 28 You mainly use it for like sentence structures because you know when like you're writing.

Speaker 29 Yeah, because sentence structure is so difficult.

Speaker 6 It's so difficult.

Speaker 28 But realistically, I have to write all these papers and sometimes like this word salad comes out in the paper and so I'll just be like, hey, can you say this a little better for me?

Speaker 28 Spit it into ChatGPT.

Speaker 29 Sometimes you just don't have the time to be coherent. Do you want me to help with the homework now so they can seamlessly transition into taking a job?

Speaker 28 That's a good question.

Speaker 18 Thankfully, I found one person who truly understood the perils of this technology.

Speaker 10 I think it's dangerous. You have to be careful because it's such a slippery slope.
I know that people are now using it to cheat. That's really bad.
I can't imagine if I used it to get my degree.

Speaker 10 That couldn't, that wouldn't.

Speaker 23 Sure, that would be bad. What do you use AI for?

Speaker 10 Tachi BT is like a best friend.

Speaker 11 We talk all the time about everything.

Speaker 28 Oh my god, what happened to just having a friend?

Speaker 10 Sometimes your friends will have biased opinions.

Speaker 28 Sometimes friends are biased, but AI is famously unbiased, and that's why I dropped them and they met up a bit.

Speaker 8 Clearly, their brains were already slowing down. Like shitty Wi-Fi, it was time to unplug and reboot the system.

Speaker 29 I just need to unhook your brain from AI. So whatever you're gonna ask ChatGPT, just ask me instead.

Speaker 25 Alright, I was working on, you know, getting a calorie deficit map laid out. What kind of diet should I be on, and how often should I be working on that?

Speaker 28 Stop f ⁇ ing eating.

Speaker 14 Of course, of course.

Speaker 29 Just stop eating.

Speaker 28 So let me unhook your brain from AI for a bit.

Speaker 29 Instead of asking AI, ask me that.

Speaker 23 Where should I go get coffee?

Speaker 19 Just look around.

Speaker 26 It's New York City.

Speaker 29 You don't need to ask AI for where coffee is.

Speaker 8 There's one right behind us. See, AI is even taking the jobs normally done by our eyes.

Speaker 28 And one person thinks it can even open up our hearts.

Speaker 31 I used it on Hinge.

Speaker 32 I gotta be more flirty, be more hookup culture, NYC live.

Speaker 29 ChatGPT rizzed up this guy for me.

Speaker 33 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I write whole sentences.

Speaker 31 I don't got that Gen Z lingo in me, so I need to dumb it down a little.

Speaker 29 You use ChatGPT to dumb down what you're writing.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 29 Good news is, if you use it enough, you won't need to use it anymore.

Speaker 32 I know, yeah, yeah. I think it's slowly braining me out.

Speaker 8 There you have it. AI might be making us dumber, but we'll be too busy having meaningless sex with each other to care.

Speaker 8 Thank you, Ronnie. When we come back, Miguel will be joining me on the show, so don't go away.

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Speaker 7 My guest tonight is a Grammy Award-winning artist whose new album is called Caus. Please welcome Miguel.

Speaker 7 Thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 4 Man, what I am so excited to be here and talk.

Speaker 17 Congratulations.

Speaker 6 Oh, thank you. Congratulations to you.

Speaker 26 Thanks so much, man.

Speaker 7 The album is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 Thank you very much, man. And it took a lot of love and time.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
It's been eight years since your last studio album. So you're like the Daniel Day-Lewis of Sexy Music.

Speaker 7 Like you've been gone for a while and now it's like you never left.

Speaker 12 This is wild.

Speaker 4 Listen, that's the hope and prayer every time you kind of go away for a second. And it was with a lot of intention.
So a lot has changed.

Speaker 4 You know, we've been through an entire global catastrophe of trying to figure out what we're going to do when, you know, everyone's lives are at stake.

Speaker 4 You know, and I think that alone would be enough. But, you know, just growth, man, and, you know, just seeing the world go through a lot of changes.

Speaker 4 I think it was the right amount of time to go away and figure myself out.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because you went through your own like personal changes. How did you put that into the music?

Speaker 4 That was a lot of reflection. You know,

Speaker 4 being away kind of gives you time to kind of reprioritize in a way that I needed, in a big way.

Speaker 4 And I think what that did was it naturally lent to digging into my heritage and finding a deeper sense of pride of where I come from, which is probably why the album is titled Chaos and Not Chaos.

Speaker 4 As the title would suggest, it's all about, you know, what's happening and as within, so without kind of approach to the conversation.

Speaker 4 but exploring my Mexican heritage which is evident in a lot of the visuals which is homage to Danza de los Diablos which is a celebration an Afro-Mexican celebration in Mexico that commemorates African slaves freeing themselves is this kind of like cultural

Speaker 4 significance that made a big impact on this album.

Speaker 4 So, you know, when you look at the way that fascism, the way that authoritarianism has really been playing out in front of us and we're seeing hints of it, you know, I'm really proud that I was able to kind of infuse this pride in my heritage and cultural identity to kind of take a stand for what matters.

Speaker 4 I think it's important to celebrate those things now.

Speaker 7 So your first studio album was 15 years ago.

Speaker 6 How do you like No, no, like

Speaker 7 I just mean you've been doing something so well for so long. Like how has that changed for you now, from the first album to now?

Speaker 7 Like, whether the process has changed or whether your approach to music has changed? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, you certainly come out like, I gotta get the bag. I need the culture.
I need the hits. I need the big song.
I need the big everything.

Speaker 4 It's absolutely

Speaker 4 been something that

Speaker 4 at that time felt so important that now

Speaker 4 is kind of such a in the back of the kind of it's taken a back seat to how important it is for art to continue to bring people together. And I think emotional resonance has everything to do with that.

Speaker 4 I think that's why we listen to music in other languages, why we can gather around fine art and not understand where the artist is coming from, but completely lock in on a detail that we find ourselves in.

Speaker 4 So I think that's been the big difference. It's been the big difference, really locking in on the

Speaker 4 emotional nature and the importance of emotionality in the work.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because

Speaker 7 I'm not even necessarily pulling this away from what you just said, but this is what you made me think of.

Speaker 7 It seems like when you're a new artist and you're starting out, that so much of your intention and so many of your goals seem not even in a bad way, but just in an honest way, like ego-driven, of like, you want to, like you say, get the bag, or you want to have a hit, or you just want to show how great you are and everything.

Speaker 7 And then I think there's just like this way that music evolves over a long career where then even though the beginning seems to be a bit of ego,

Speaker 7 the next part of it is self, but it's like self in a way of discovery. And I think that's what I'm hearing when I listen to this.

Speaker 4 Thank you for saying so. Yeah, I mean, we all want to get to the bag.
You know, we want to make sure we get to the money. We live in a very catty, it's a capitalist paradigm.

Speaker 4 So it's always going to be in the back of the mind.

Speaker 4 I think really listening to all of my favorites, you know, you go back to Marvin Gaye and you go back to David Bowie and you go back to Queen and you go back to,

Speaker 4 you know, the Rolling Stones or you go back to, you know, one of one of my favorites, the Minutemen from San Pedro, which is where I'm from, punk band.

Speaker 4 You know, it's like you listen to the expression and it's so pure and there's... there's integrity in the music that you can feel.
And that's absolutely been the driving force coming back.

Speaker 30 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 7 Because when it comes to how like how artists evolve, like I'm everyone I think wants to, like you say, get the bag, but they also want to be around to make more stuff for a very long time.

Speaker 7 And you have to be making changes to make that happen. And so I wonder if you have any advice for like a younger artist who is

Speaker 7 working on things, but there's only so much room at like the Grammys. There's only so much room to win a Grammy.

Speaker 30 So if these are sort of your goals, they're so much harder to achieve.

Speaker 7 But I think so much of art is about

Speaker 7 what you put out there, not necessarily what comes back.

Speaker 7 And so do you have any advice for like a young person who's like, maybe I'll never get the Grammy or maybe I'll never get the bag, but like what their music means to people?

Speaker 4 Well, we have to remember that all of these accolades and whatnot are a function of a market system, right?

Speaker 4 Which if you work backwards, you're going to think about how valuable or how valid or viable the product is in order to go to market to make the money. So the real key is how do you make the money?

Speaker 4 You have to find the audience for the product. And if you work backwards from there, my advice would be find your audience.
And how do you do that?

Speaker 4 I think it's about locking into the details about your life and your point of view that are so uniquely yours and doubling down on that so hard and consistently that you

Speaker 4 separate yourself from the madness that we are constantly being sold at at every point in our lives. So

Speaker 4 yeah, yeah, just digging in on our details. You know, I think my favorite art, and I think the best art is

Speaker 4 the feeling you feel seeing yourself in other artists' details. And I think that's the best advice I could give: put as many of your own details in your work, and it will emerge on its own.

Speaker 7 In general, do you have any feelings about the direction of music, of how music's going?

Speaker 7 We've seen the shifts, like already in our own lifetime, we've seen what it means for like an album to sell. Like you used to just buy the album, physical copy, you own it as well.

Speaker 7 And then it became this like...

Speaker 7 this whole like piracy scandal where piracy seemed like the way for a little while because people didn't have enough money yeah i miss it i really bring it back yeah let's go

Speaker 6 yeah that's where the ring is out there.

Speaker 19 But now,

Speaker 7 through that, we got to this place of streaming. And now streaming is all the way down to the song.

Speaker 7 So now people are trying to be as marketable as possible in five seconds rather than making an album that somebody would want most of, you know?

Speaker 7 What do you think, and how do you feel about the future of music right now?

Speaker 4 I think the music business has always

Speaker 4 taken advantage of the art, or the artists rather, right?

Speaker 4 From its inception, music has exploited or the music business has exploited the artists,

Speaker 4 of the creators. So

Speaker 4 it's not that we're seeing anything new now, per se. It's just a different version.
It's an optimized, it's an upgrade to the general function of the music business.

Speaker 4 I think the the most important thing now that we're seeing happen is we're seeing artists strike out on their own and come up with new solutions and I think being at

Speaker 4 being able to kind of build this this discourse and this conversation

Speaker 4 around taking ownership of the audience

Speaker 4 whoever they are for each individual artist whatever their application whatever their principal focus is I think that's why it's so important that artists really take

Speaker 4 take the time to identify their audience and really lock in with them and leverage their audience in a way that empowers them, obviously financially, but creatively in parallel.

Speaker 4 That way, we don't have to go to the larger corporations that exist.

Speaker 4 And instead, I think what it'll do is it'll push artists to kind of find new solutions, build them for themselves, offer them to other artists.

Speaker 4 That way, we build a more equitable system by which we can kind of share our art in a you know, in a capitalist society.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Hope that makes sense.

Speaker 23 No sense. No, it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 30 You are currently

Speaker 7 this artist in residence at NYU. You're the scholar in residence.
And can you tell me about the program?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Tremendous honor.
Tremendous honor, yeah.

Speaker 7 Can you tell me more about it?

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 the course that we've designed is titled Speaking Chaos to Power.

Speaker 4 I can't tell you how tremendously honored I am to kind of be welcomed as a scholar in residence at NYU, one of the most prestigious

Speaker 4 fiduciaries.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 4 I wanted to figure out how we could empower the artists, the students, in a way that the courses that they're

Speaker 4 taking now don't. And I think the biggest takeaway

Speaker 4 from the curriculum is that in every moment of uncertainty in our human history, inflection points have presented themselves in the chaos.

Speaker 4 And we can draw parallel, whether it's in the 50s and 60s here in the United States with the civil rights movement, across time.

Speaker 4 It took people not just being on the front lines, but more importantly, organizing in the back rooms.

Speaker 4 coming together, having conversation, talking about what's wrong, what's not working, and figuring out

Speaker 4 what they would like to happen and how it should look.

Speaker 4 And the point in the distance that they want to arrive.

Speaker 4 And so the Course is really about speaking chaos to power through art and figuring out what unique thing we can say about what we're seeing in the world, in our art, in a way that at least brings people to the table to have those conversations, organize, and mobilize.

Speaker 4 I think there's nothing more important than that today.

Speaker 4 Not just for art, but across the board, you know, whether

Speaker 4 we want to draw some social change, we want to see some political change. That's why I love seeing what happened here

Speaker 4 in New York. Shout out to Miriam Dami.
You know what I'm saying? We love that. We love that.

Speaker 6 We love that.

Speaker 35 We love that.

Speaker 7 Because it seems like so much of why you do what you do, so much of what you're creating and

Speaker 7 your approach to fixing things feels like community. It feels like that is the sort of like antidote to this

Speaker 7 general capitalist chaos is that if you all come together, because coming together is free, you know?

Speaker 6 That's right. For now.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Right?

Speaker 23 All of us are like, ooh.

Speaker 14 Yeah. It's not even.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I feel like. Wow, that scared everybody.

Speaker 6 Oh, man.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I just, when I listen to your music and when I talk to you, it seems like you are someone who is so

Speaker 7 who is.

Speaker 6 something good yeah yeah

Speaker 7 it just it just feels like you are so passionate about bringing life forward and bringing people forward and taking us to a better place and everything and you know i i'm very grateful for the work that you do and and i think that your intentions with what you make it's like it's it's so easy sometimes whenever you listen to an album to take away only what you take away from it.

Speaker 7 Kind of like those like like bangers that you hear or like the billboard.

Speaker 7 You're like, because you will pull something away from music that is like so personal and even if it has like some universal message to it.

Speaker 7 Like you might talk to the artist and the artist would be like, oh, the song is about heroin.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean?

Speaker 23 You're like, oh, I'd love to dance to this one.

Speaker 23 I'm playing for my kids.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I think that.

Speaker 7 But I think that your real talent is that whenever I listen to your music and then I actually listen listen to you talk about your music without being able to pinpoint it from the time that I heard it, I still hear what you're talking about when I'm thinking about what I felt when I first listened to it, you know, which is like such a special thing.

Speaker 7 I think that that's really, because you can have so much intention with what you're trying to say, but I think that on top of the

Speaker 7 sort of loss of community, there's a loss of communication.

Speaker 7 And I think that what you're doing at NYU and what you're doing in your music is like helping to bridge some of that.

Speaker 7 You know, do you feel that when you talk to people about it, or do you feel that when people talk to you about the project?

Speaker 4 Man, I mean, I feel it the most when it's a thank you very much for saying so.

Speaker 4 I can't stress how important music has been to me and in my life. And I think so many artists would agree that, you know,

Speaker 4 that emotional quality of music is something you can't really put words on.

Speaker 6 It

Speaker 4 really does something in terms of belief and faith that

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, I just feel like it'll always be so important and extremely,

Speaker 4 it should be priority, it should be prioritized.

Speaker 4 And I think we need it even more now when we feel a lot of, like I said, cultural identity being devalued or minimized.

Speaker 4 I think in a world that is technically or technologically connected but yet lacking connection, connection. I think it is art that remains the place that we go to feel connected to one another.

Speaker 4 And I hope that the work that I get to do is a reflection of that. So

Speaker 4 I really don't take it lightly that I get to do this thing.

Speaker 4 And I'll continue to do that.

Speaker 6 So yeah, I love that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because it just seems like...

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 7 Like I said, I think that you bring life, you bring so much to your music.

Speaker 7 Are you aware of how many babies have probably been made to your music?

Speaker 12 There are so many people here now that are probably here because of you.

Speaker 26 I've been told.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? I've been told once or twice.

Speaker 4 I'm not paying any child support on these babies.

Speaker 6 That is your job, Nick.

Speaker 7 So I like to always wrap up in a way that feels special to me and the guests. And you're, you know,

Speaker 7 Miguel, you're like a very sexy person.

Speaker 7 Oh, don't try to deny being sexy. It makes you more sexy.

Speaker 26 You got to take me off.

Speaker 4 You got it. It's dinner in a movie first.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 19 Slow down.

Speaker 7 Now, I hate to put you on the spot in front of all these wonderful people, but I need your help. I have not set up my voicemail.

Speaker 7 And I'm wondering if you would like

Speaker 7 be my voicemail.

Speaker 7 Like you, you would just, you know, like say, like, leave a message, this is Josh's phone, whatever, but just do it in your own very sexy way.

Speaker 7 Like, you mean, like, you, like, you could hum, you could, whatever it is, but just, okay, all right, you ready?

Speaker 4 Okay, I didn't even, okay.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 6 Did I agree to this? All right. Did I agree to this?

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 7 You read Josh's phone.

Speaker 4 Leave a message

Speaker 4 and he'll get right back to you.

Speaker 4 Goodbye.

Speaker 6 He'll miss you again.

Speaker 4 He'll be right back as soon as he can.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Oh man.

Speaker 4 I got you.

Speaker 7 So many people are going to call me now.

Speaker 6 Version one.

Speaker 6 This is incredible.

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Speaker 6 Miguel!

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