Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)

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Speaker 2 Zaslow and I, lest you say that we are uncultured heathens,

Speaker 2 recently went to a musical, not together.

Speaker 2 I don't know why I was so quickly defensive about that.

Speaker 3 God forbid.

Speaker 6 I'd love to go to a musical with you guys.

Speaker 2 You have to understand the reason I said that is because he dressed like this. Oh.

Speaker 1 What's wrong with this?

Speaker 2 For a musical?

Speaker 1 Was it a heat musical?

Speaker 2 It was a Michael Jackson musical.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 What'd they talk about? It was a

Speaker 2 well, to me, you say that, and that's one one of the things that i found amazing about the entirety of the experience because it was simply amazing but the idea that music and talent that one of a kind never to be duplicated would make it so that an auditorium would fill with people because the music was so good sort of ignoring that probably yeah pedophilia was uh likely uh something that was that he was doing in a way that has been documented in documentary form even though a lot of people don't believe it.

Speaker 3 What do you mean ignoring it?

Speaker 3 all throughout the show, they were saying, Can you believe what they're saying about me in the media?

Speaker 1 They didn't ignore it.

Speaker 7 So they like mocked it?

Speaker 2 Uh, no, but

Speaker 8 look, also, that could mean anything. Like, people were making fun of his appearance.
Like, people, there's a lot of things people were talking about in the media about it.

Speaker 7 Kind of sounds like a pro-pedophilia musical you went to.

Speaker 2 Uh, okay, that is a way to frame it.

Speaker 6 Billy, why do you want to be starting something?

Speaker 7 Beat it, Jeremy.

Speaker 2 The music is

Speaker 2 so enduring, so enduring that

Speaker 2 somehow, posthumously, he cannot be canceled by allegations that would obviously get anyone else canceled. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Some of you should look into a Prince documentary that Netflix will not allow to air and that the Prince estate will not allow to air.

Speaker 2 That would be the greatest of documentaries that I'm guessing posthumously would do things to Prince's reputation that would make it harder to separate the art from the artist than El Duncan just did with Mulkey and I and Zaszlo did at a musical together, but not together.

Speaker 1 So how do we do this? I know Pablo's one of the only people on the planet that's seen this masterpiece of a documentary with the guy that made OJ and made it America. Ezra Edelman.
Ezra Edelman.

Speaker 2 Don't say what's his name.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't remember what his name was. No, I am.
Respected him. He won an awesome one.

Speaker 1 Respect, respect.

Speaker 2 Okay, win another one.

Speaker 7 It's been a while. Well, he would have with this.

Speaker 2 Look, man, I, oh my God, listen to this story, okay? Because this one crushes me, just crushes me for Ezra Edelman, a perfectionist of the highest order who makes only the best things.

Speaker 2 Guy makes the OJ documentary, and it can't even be done again. Netflix tried recently.
It's embarrassing. No reason to watch it.

Speaker 1 I saw it and I was like, nah.

Speaker 2 No, it's been done so well, it cannot and will not ever be done again better in a way that masterpieces are.

Speaker 2 He had so many options right after that.

Speaker 1 So many options.

Speaker 2 Do anything you want to do. Like Clin Eastwood will take your seconds.
You can do anything. But there's the pressure.
I got to make something better than that. And he did.

Speaker 2 Like, he made something, and we'll never see it. And we'll never see it.
No one will ever see it because the Prince's state will be able to protect it.

Speaker 2 And imagine pouring yourself because he works dark, man. He works alone and he is a genius.
He is brilliant. He makes the perfect documentary and his next one was going to be better.

Speaker 2 He was going to meet impossible expectations and exceed his own, which are impossible because the Prince documentary was going to be better than the OJ documentary and no one's ever going to see it.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine how that would feel to dedicate your life years to one thing?

Speaker 7 It's perfect for him because no one can come out and say, Wow, this was a flop. Like, this didn't live up to expectations.

Speaker 7 It's just like, wow, this is even better than the last one, but I can't show you. Just take my word for it.
And I'll show my friend Pablo and he won't say a bad thing about me.

Speaker 1 So, so here's the thing: wants to make movies someone watches.

Speaker 7 He should have made a Marvel movie, made a ton of money. Everyone would have watched his movie.
Had all these options, make a comic book movie, Ezra. That's the move.

Speaker 1 How do we get Pablo in a state of, I don't know what, to tell us what's in kind of the cliff notes of the documentary? Like drugging Pablo, but like a nice way. Like truth serum kind of thing.

Speaker 3 Well, what is he not allowed to say?

Speaker 1 Did he say what he saw?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Why can't he describe what he saw?

Speaker 2 The print estate is very litigious.

Speaker 2 To me, look, man, I'm super curious whether people are noticing just in general what's happening with corporate greed and what's happening to the content when documentaries that are alleged a place of truth in a time where you can't trust anything to be the truth, the best documentaries, we know when they're great and it's when they're societally large.

Speaker 2 and tell you the truth. But they can be distorted and formed into anything with a good filmmaker.

Speaker 2 And the corporations right now are running scared of everything happening in America and the way that they can crush someone like Ezra Edelman, who makes great things, is the way a lot of great things are going to get crushed under the weight of trying to tell the truth.

Speaker 2 It's embarrassing.

Speaker 2 Like what's happening in the media industry right now and in this particular content industry, because the whole thing is shaking with the same people buying the things they want to make.

Speaker 2 with others, with access to others that might not be the true story that you get on Tiger Woods on Max, even though he doesn't participate, which is hard to make.

Speaker 2 And now, all of us, an athlete who spent his entire life in front of us, he marries and professes his love for Donald Trump Jr.'s ex

Speaker 2 and we don't know anything about that dude that resembles the truth because he's been in the machine of marketing for so many years.

Speaker 2 And even if it had breakdowns, we still don't know what that dude's politics are on anything.

Speaker 2 One of the best athletes of our time. Do we?

Speaker 8 I mean, he was in the White House like a month ago. Yeah, I think we now accepting like some sort of award from Donald Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 But why?

Speaker 2 Like, you can't get anything from him to explain what it is.

Speaker 8 Also, he asked for our privacy in his last post.

Speaker 3 Am I ignorant in not knowing

Speaker 3 the scandal surrounding the Prince documentary? Like, we all know the Michael Jackson stuff without actually watching a documentary.

Speaker 1 But I'm ignorant in not knowing that.

Speaker 2 Not everyone agrees. There have been very good documentaries.

Speaker 2 This is another litigious place that's very difficult to tell the truth, which is where it is that some kids can get abused because of how difficult it is to go against these machines.

Speaker 2 A documentary has been made that I have seen that is extraordinary and that I believe to be the truth about Michael Jackson's accusers.

Speaker 2 But that auditorium was filled in 2025 with people recreating beautifully.

Speaker 1 Pact.

Speaker 2 And the degree of difficulty, like there's never been a talent like that. That song, that dance, that creative, like that many, that many hits, that will never exist again.

Speaker 1 Title.

Speaker 2 20 years after his death is still filling an auditorium with a whole bunch of people who aren't making moral choices there. They just want to hear his music.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like I'm watching the show the other night.

Speaker 3 We're there, and I'm like, it bothers me that there is a young audience, maybe the age of some of you guys there in the shipping container, who may not understand how ridiculous this guy was.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 even amidst all of the allegations,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 you don't know. You almost don't know how to feel while I'm sitting in there enjoying it and like really loving this recreation of his music.

Speaker 1 And then there's the other part where it's like, all right, is it okay that I'm enjoying this this much?

Speaker 2 Would you say it was a thriller?

Speaker 8 Can we play Marlin or Panther?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 2 I don't want to play that.

Speaker 1 Oh, Dan, you'll do so well.

Speaker 2 You guys can play it. I look forward.
You tell me when you're going to play it, and I would like to watch it from afar and see how you play it. It was like coward.

Speaker 1 get 24 minutes. Can you give us 24 minutes? No, that's you.

Speaker 2 Well, but you say I'm the coward, but I so badly.

Speaker 1 Stand in the corner and watch it. I'll do it.
I'll do it. He's afraid.
He doesn't know his Panthers.

Speaker 1 I don't know the Panthers. Oh, you're the Marlins.

Speaker 8 You're scared. That's why.

Speaker 1 I'm no longer paid to know the Panthers.

Speaker 1 Bruck! The standards are not. Stand up.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know the Marlins.

Speaker 2 All right. So.
Seth Jones. I don't know the Marlins.

Speaker 2 I can name A. Marlin.

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 2 Sandy.

Speaker 7 You know, we haven't been talking about it. Big return day today, obviously, for Jimmy Butler, who's coming town.
First game against his former players.

Speaker 1 We haven't talked about that yet.

Speaker 7 We haven't talked about the fact that Jazz Chisholm is also coming back today to face the Marlins. Spring training game.
However, return game. How do you think that's going to be received?

Speaker 7 Standing ovation, video package. Bigger or smaller story than the Jimmy Butler return.

Speaker 8 And will he be returning to play against A.J. Greer or Calvin Foch or Fosche?

Speaker 2 So when they call me a coward, Zaz,

Speaker 2 didn't it feel to you you in the last segment that there was cowardice involved, but it was not mine?

Speaker 2 It felt like Tony and Jessica and Jeremy and Billy were going to have a good, good argument live on television that would have been rich and resplendent for content, and I'm the coward?

Speaker 7 In fairness, Tony stayed and you got up and left. Yeah, that's true.
You didn't want to play Billy versus Debbie.

Speaker 2 But I wanted to play the other game.

Speaker 1 Connor Gillespie.

Speaker 2 Can we play the other game? Can we play

Speaker 2 the way that Tony sank the show with his mulkey shot that no one understood?

Speaker 9 Evan Rodriguez.

Speaker 7 That's a tricky one dan well while you were gone we watched the kim mulkey dap and i feel like all of the confusion was settled like we united yeah incredible dap okay

Speaker 2 the back row is united now how is the confusion settled when the interview got wrecked because tony needed help and nobody gave it you would know if you didn't get up and leave yeah but united we stand yeah

Speaker 1 united we stand on business U.S.

Speaker 2 the multi-one who is the most conflicting now because we've had this live we've had this happen in the history of the show.

Speaker 2 I'm stunned to say this: that while in our lifetime, Mike Ryan made the grand standing play of quitting his lifetime team, the Cleveland Browns, because he could no longer celebrate the.

Speaker 7 He was lurking in the shadows next season when they were flirting with the playoffs. All of a sudden, it was kind of like, well, what happened with that stand again?

Speaker 2 Okay, regardless, he made a moral stand virtue signaling and actually gave up his fandom and got accused of all sorts of things, but I felt like he left the team behind.

Speaker 2 When we talk about Moki or Michael Jackson, I genuinely ask you guys, where is the lot?

Speaker 2 Like, it's.

Speaker 8 I thought Elle already sort of answered this well. I will also mention we came together.
I don't want to, I don't want to take the opportunity to just like dump on Mike Ryan because he's not here.

Speaker 8 That's not what I'm trying to do. Go on.

Speaker 8 But the four of us did come together in the last segment off air and realize we all are really annoyed by something that Mike does every day that he hasn't been around to do, which is he carries around, when you were saying, you know, the person that plays their Bluetooth speaker out loud without headphones, Mike comes in in the morning and he plays music on his Bluetooth speaker and he walks around with it, but at a volume that is like difficult to.

Speaker 1 It's an office-wide volume.

Speaker 8 It's very loud and it's like the first thing in the morning. So I'll walk into the makeup room and it's like, I can't really talk to Jesse.
Like it's really loud and then he'll leave.

Speaker 8 He'll leave the speaker in there sometimes and walk out. And then I'll get up and I'll lower the volume because I'm like, this is too.

Speaker 7 My contouring's all off because Jesse hasn't heard I've recorded.

Speaker 8 And then he'll come and bring it in here while we do our pre-show meeting. And

Speaker 8 we all discovered in the last segment something we've never talked about before. None of us really like that.

Speaker 3 Okay, but again, cowardice. Like, have you said this to him?

Speaker 1 Well, we just did.

Speaker 8 No, I've passive-aggressively lowered the volume, but that's...

Speaker 1 He's listening.

Speaker 8 I'm not interested in confronting him.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, so here, this is an interesting. I'd like to do this on Wild Willie Wednesdays.

Speaker 2 I'd like to have this become a thing that Billy Gill brings to us on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 What's Wild Willie Wednesdays? Yeah, who the f ⁇ is Willie?

Speaker 2 That's just an alliteration on Billy Gill.

Speaker 1 Willow.

Speaker 2 So I want him tomorrow to make it so that we get stuck with just total chaos.

Speaker 2 What are you laughing about back there?

Speaker 1 Who the f is Willie?

Speaker 7 This one over here just says today wasn't good enough. I don't feel like I've caused any chaos.

Speaker 7 If anything, I'm trying to write the shift today. I've been doing my darndest to keep things on the rails today.

Speaker 7 Believe it or not, Ron McGill, who will be joining us shortly, I'm doing my best to make sure that we're staying on track.

Speaker 8 I'm just sitting there. I'm just trying to change the subject and shit on someone who's not here.

Speaker 2 I want to do that on Wednesdays is what I'm saying. I want a list.
You guys said that you didn't want to

Speaker 2 talk about Mike Ryan when he's not here. If there's a list, that seems like a reasonable complaint.

Speaker 2 Like a weekly office complaint that's bought by the group about somebody, I feel like should be fair game for all of us because those things should be spoken.

Speaker 8 So you're saying spoiler Wednesday and shit on whoever's not here Wednesday and Wild Willy Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Faking out the same Wednesday.

Speaker 7 There's proper channels, though, to deal with, you know, inner office conflicts. I don't know that just airing it out is a good idea.

Speaker 8 That's historically what this show has done. Historically, it's just been done this way.
I'm following the leader.

Speaker 1 I will say this.

Speaker 7 You do kind of get a sense for the mood and what kind of day you're in store for, depending on the music that's been.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 7 So it is a kind of a good tip sometimes.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it's really heavy metal if we're listening to corn you know we're in for a long one i don't need that i never need it actually you know what

Speaker 2 i i would love like a weekly uh

Speaker 2 caucus where we get together and somebody is being rude i this what you've just said to me i had not realized and it's been happening for three years mike ryan can absolutely alter the mood of everything we're doing with his musical choice in the morning he came in playing chapel rone the other day and it literally led to our whole show discussing that and a new parody song and all of this fun but then he'll come in playing heavy metal music screamo at 8 10 in the morning and it's like hey man why it's already an hour drive

Speaker 2 i i didn't even realize that it was playing that loud though i thought it was just something he was occasionally doing because he got here first he gets here occasionally yeah i thought i thought he would i i don't know why it's it was all music's only playing when he's here it's not playing any other time that's right exactly

Speaker 3 i think this is a new thing for your show where you just shit on the person who's not here that's what we do every time

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's every day. Every single day.

Speaker 2 All right, Ron McGill is with us now.

Speaker 1 The things I have heard about myself. Tomorrow is my turn.

Speaker 2 Yes, tomorrow. Gather your list.

Speaker 8 Everything's about Jeremy, by the way.

Speaker 1 On Wild Willie Wednesday.

Speaker 2 Yes, gather your things.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Roy. Ron McGill joins us via LinkedIn jobs.

Speaker 7 Post your job for free at linkedin.com slash DLS.

Speaker 1 Terms and conditions apply.

Speaker 7 Can I make a confession just since we're coming clean on when we're talking bad about each other? So like earlier today, Jeremy was across the street and you said Jeremy's joining us from the weeds.

Speaker 7 And I just said to Jess and Tony, go, I hope he catches Lyme disease.

Speaker 7 What? And I apologize for that.

Speaker 8 Which is really mean.

Speaker 7 It is really mean. I didn't mean it, but I just, in the weeds, it was a joke that was just there.
It was funny.

Speaker 1 So I'm sorry to everybody.

Speaker 8 Ron, animals can get vaccinated for Lyme disease, right? But there's no human vaccine for it. Is that correct?

Speaker 10 No, animals don't get vaccinated for Lyme disease, I don't believe. No,

Speaker 10 they can carry Lyme disease without showing symptoms. They can be asymptomatic.
So they can be

Speaker 10 conduits to transmit Lyme disease, but they don't necessarily show symptoms. And I don't think they can be vaccinated against it.

Speaker 7 Do animals just take the shot or do they do their own research?

Speaker 10 No, they just take the shot, Billy. Somebody's got to hold them, generally speaking, but they take the shot like your kid, you know?

Speaker 2 What are some of the animals? Let's do a top three list here, a top five list of animals, animals that Ron McGill has had an experience with with while trying to give a shot.

Speaker 2 I'm sure that he's got, do you have a list of five here that you could do off the top of your head because you, because you're around animals during surgery and during emergency situations?

Speaker 10 I don't usually give the shots. There have been some exceptions to that.
Usually it's the veterinarians that do that. But, you know, I have given shots to rhinos before.

Speaker 10 I've given shots to a giraffe before.

Speaker 10 I've given shots to crocodiles before.

Speaker 10 Why is that one the tada and the other ones were down?

Speaker 2 No, they all got tadaz. You're just hearing it wrong.

Speaker 8 Is it like a really thick needle for the crocodiles? Like, how do you penetrate the cube?

Speaker 10 It is thick. And what we have to do is we have the crocodile in a type of chute.
We put it like in a, it's like a tube, and we have an access to a hole in the tube.

Speaker 10 So the crocodile just doesn't really much have a choice.

Speaker 10 I know that sounds kind of cruel, but it's also for the safety of ourselves and the crocodile.

Speaker 2 Well, because you can't have it buck all over the place, right? Like it's got to be

Speaker 10 and they're incredibly powerful. So generally speaking, we used to have a transport tube.
We made this big,

Speaker 10 it's like an aluminum tube that has handles on the side that we get the crocodiles to come through the tube and then we hold them in the tube there and we have access to the sides of the tube to do whatever kinds of treatment we need to do.

Speaker 2 The rhino? Is that a difficult or?

Speaker 10 The rhino, you know, we use a thinner gauge needle and the rhino, once you're giving him his carrots and giving him his hay, just dragging him by the side, it just feels like a mosquito bite to him.

Speaker 10 So it's not much of a big thing.

Speaker 8 There is a Lyme vaccine for dogs, Ron, but apparently not a thing that's common in florida because there's not a lot of lime down here apparently lime disease is not found in these hot hot climates new york is the is the hotbed right now where this is from

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Speaker 7 Don Lebatard. The elephant went into a 7-Eleven and bought a pack of cigarettes.
But my question to Ron is this: Stugats.

Speaker 2 That joke joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to, did it? And we all just stared at it.

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Speaker 2 How does it work, Ron? If someone, can you tell me about the tick? Because

Speaker 2 I have heard stories from people coming back from places without realizing that they have a tick on them.

Speaker 2 Like, what ends up happening there?

Speaker 10 You know,

Speaker 10 it's not a guarantee you're getting Lyme disease by any stretch of the imagination. I mean, I've been in rainforests where I've come back and the ticks are tiny when they get onto you.

Speaker 10 But when they start gorging themselves with blood is when you realize that they're there.

Speaker 10 And, you know, at the risk of giving you too much information, you don't realize until you're in the shower and you start rubbing around. You think, oh my God, what's growing here?

Speaker 10 And what's growing here? Because they tend to get in the dark crevices of your body

Speaker 10 and they expand there and then you realize, oh my God, and then you have to realize you have to be very careful to get them off because you can't pull them off and sometimes their head remains there where the body comes off and that is a portal for infection.

Speaker 2 I want to play a couple of videos here for Ron. Let's start with these dolphins here and see what it is that he can tell us about.

Speaker 2 He's told us many, many times it's the smartest of animals, but the curiosity of these dolphins.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think, you know, that's, of course, when the

Speaker 10 spaceship there came back to Earth, those poor astronauts are up there for eight or nine months. And I think the dolphins are both curious.
They're intelligent. They're looking around.

Speaker 10 It's obviously a new thing in their area here. There's a lot of attention there.
And I think it's almost like a childlike curiosity that they're checking it out. They're very curious about it.

Speaker 2 The dolphin, when you talk about intellect,

Speaker 2 you would say

Speaker 2 the highest form of example of a dolphin being smarter than all the other animals is?

Speaker 10 I can't give you an exact example. I can tell you how dolphins tend to navigate and how they tend to understand, you know, dolphin therapy, a lot of therapy for autistic children, nonverbal children.

Speaker 10 The way dolphins seem to be able to communicate and connect with those children to me is

Speaker 10 it's profoundly moving. I've seen that happen on several occasions.

Speaker 10 As a matter of fact, I've seen a child who wasn't quote unquote nonverbal actually become, start verbalizing around a dolphin and the dolphins seemed to understand that there was a connection there.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 2 wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 You said you've seen a child who wasn't verbal at all speak just when in the company of a dolphin?

Speaker 10 Yeah, and when I say speak, I don't say, you know, come out with entire sentences, but start uttering sounds where they would not do that at all before.

Speaker 10 I've seen that happen on two different occasions to where the parents just burst out in tears. They couldn't believe what they were seeing.
So there's a power there. There's a connection there.

Speaker 10 And I think, you know, when you look at the size of the brain of a dolphin, I mean, really, relative to its size of the rest of the body, it's very, very similar to a human being.

Speaker 1 Ron, when you talk about smart animals, if I put up your dolphin, but I say octopus. Ooh.
Because

Speaker 1 you can put them in a jar and they can find their way to get out of the bottom of the body. Put it on the poll, Juju, at Lebatarg show.

Speaker 2 Smarter animal, dolphin or octopus.

Speaker 10 Well, you know, the octopus got a lot of big publicity with that

Speaker 10 movie that came out, the Oscar winning movie. I think my friend the octopus.

Speaker 1 The octopus teacher, I think.

Speaker 10 The octopus teacher. There you go.

Speaker 10 And they are incredibly intelligent as far as being able to navigate things, the way they can change their color, the way they can camouflage, the way they can escape almost anything.

Speaker 10 I mean, you look at an octopus that's

Speaker 10 bigger than your fists, and it can get through an eighth of an inch of an opening area. And that's pretty incredible.
So they tend to be very, I guess,

Speaker 10 opportunistic. They're very resourceful.

Speaker 10 As far as solving puzzles and thinking the way a dolphin does, I just don't think the octopus is that intelligent. I think they're very intelligent.

Speaker 10 I don't want to take anything away from the octopus,

Speaker 1 but I do think the dolphin.

Speaker 1 Whoa, you just said what about what?

Speaker 2 You just said they're not that intelligent.

Speaker 1 That's controversial. I didn't say they're as intelligent.

Speaker 10 I said they're not as intelligent as a dolphin.

Speaker 1 You said the word about intelligent.

Speaker 2 That's a controversial thing to say. That's controversial, what you've just said there.

Speaker 1 No, no, you like controversial. No,

Speaker 10 the octopus is widely regarded as one of the smartest animals, and you're out here you're disrespecting and i said it's not in my personal opinion is not as intelligent as a dolphin yeah well that's not exactly what you said you said not that no that is exactly what i said you stopped me when i said it's not as intelligent okay i didn't say it's the octopus is not intelligent i didn't say that dan not that smart stop it you don't

Speaker 10 you're you're you just love this kind of control give me uh give me

Speaker 2 give me the example of you uh being in a surgery with an animal and an animal the the greatest example you have the animal coming away because the anesthesia didn't last as long as it should have.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, you got some real danger in the surgical area.

Speaker 10 Well, we weren't actually in the hospital and surgery. This is when I first started at the Old Crannon Park Zoo.
We had a chimpanzee, a male chimpanzee. His name was Colonel.
And we anesthetized him.

Speaker 10 And we had to pull him out of the enclosure and we put him on the grass next to a canal there. He was totally out.
You know, they used the drug, which everybody knows about now called ketamine.

Speaker 10 And he was out. And Dr.
Hubble, I'll never forget that the veterinarian was kneeling between his legs, leaning over. He had a suture up his arm.
He had cut his arm badly.

Speaker 10 So we had a suture up the arm, but of course we had to have him anesthetized and mobilized to do that. So I'm holding one arm and another gentleman's holding the other arm and Dr.

Speaker 10 Hubble's on his knees between his legs, leaning over, sewing up his arm. And then all of a sudden, Colonel just sat up, got right in front of Dr.
Hubble's face and just went.

Speaker 10 I like that. The one guy on the one arm literally jumped into the canal.
I froze. I panicked and just froze.
And I just stood there. And then all of a sudden, and Dr.
Hubble didn't move either.

Speaker 10 He just looked at him. This chimp, if you've never heard a chimp scream in your face, it's something that's blood-curdling.

Speaker 10 And then all of a sudden, his eyes rolled back into his head and he just kind of went

Speaker 10 and fell back down.

Speaker 10 So he was going through some type of

Speaker 10 hallucination because of the ketamine. And I looked at Dr.
Hubble, I said, Doc, he goes, that sometimes happens with this drug.

Speaker 8 And it weirdly cured his depression, too.

Speaker 10 Well, I got to tell you what, I had to change my pants after that.

Speaker 2 I was just going going to ask you, did you actually and literally shit your pants?

Speaker 10 You know, I don't know if I shit my pants, but

Speaker 10 certain bodily fluids escaped my body at that time. Let's leave it at that.

Speaker 1 No, it was a short dan. They did.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to leave it at that.

Speaker 2 You have, Ron, you have often given us totally horrifying, terrifying situations. I don't think that's even the greatest story that you have as it regards not even an alive chimp, a dead chimp,

Speaker 2 screaming.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the orangutan. Or the orangutan.
The orangutan when I was digging it out of the. Yeah, oh, that was barbarous.
Oh, but I forgot.

Speaker 2 Number of times you have shit your pants in one of these situations, actually.

Speaker 10 I don't have ever actually shit my pants. I mean, I might have passed some gas.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm sorry. I've gone too far.
Yes, I think you have. Well, I just thought that literal shitster.
No, but that's correct. And I would have, you've been correcting everybody in this segment.

Speaker 1 You've been right. I've been right a lot.

Speaker 2 Every time you've been right.

Speaker 2 I have found that, Ron, your stories, when it comes to this, this is a truly horrifying thing. Like, you would not have any other instances in which you would ever find yourself this kind of scared.

Speaker 10 No, no, I was really scared when that chimp said, because a chimp can rip your arm off and then beat you with it. I mean, a chimp is a very, very dangerous animal.

Speaker 10 We've all heard about chimps attacking people. And this is one of the biggest male chimps I've ever seen in my life.
He looked like a small gorilla.

Speaker 10 And to have him get up, you know, be fast asleep and all of a sudden he'll open his eyes wide and that scream, just that

Speaker 10 and these big canines sticking out. I mean, let me tell you something.
And he's right. And I couldn't believe Hubble didn't just jump in the water.
The one guy, Leroy Van, he jumped in the water.

Speaker 10 I sat there in fear. I was an idiot because I could have been killed.
I should have jumped in the water too. Fortunately, the thing just passed back out.

Speaker 10 And that's like, I think it was like the second week I started as a zookeeper, man. I'd never been experienced, you know, exposed to that kind of thing.
And it's just, that's blood-curdling stuff.

Speaker 10 I really, that was very frightening.

Speaker 1 Have you ever?

Speaker 10 One time I was working, I was working for Bill Haas, though, when I was working at the Miami Serpentarium, my very first job. And I had to open up the right side of the lab.

Speaker 10 And there was one room where the king cobras were. And I remember I'd go in and open the door, turn on the lights, and a king cobra had gotten out.

Speaker 10 And I opened the door, and literally eight feet in front of me, this king cobra just goes

Speaker 10 right up in front of my face.

Speaker 10 And I just backed up close to the door and I went, Mr. Haas, I think there's one out.
And he went in there and he just thought, oh, yeah, there is. Let me put it back.

Speaker 10 And I was like, oh my God, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 Have you ever had a moment like that where you actually said to yourself early in your career, where you said, I don't know this for me?

Speaker 10 I'll tell you the hard thing for me. Yeah, I'm going to be honest with you.
One of the first things they taught me when I went around is they were feeding condors.

Speaker 10 And the gentleman was feeding the condor a live rabbit. Now, this is back 45 years ago.
We don't really do that anymore. But I remember the condor getting the rabbit and the rabbit screaming.

Speaker 10 And I just said to myself, no, I don't think I can do this.

Speaker 10 Even though it's nature, this is what happens in nature. I said to myself, I don't think I can do this.

Speaker 10 That was very difficult for me. Fortunately, we've gone past that.
You know, we don't feed live animals to animals anymore.

Speaker 10 But that was a moment that it did hit me.

Speaker 10 It haunted me for several days after that.

Speaker 2 Well, it sounds for several years, the way that you're talking. All of us are reacting the same way to that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was. Listen, I'm not going to lie.
It was a very difficult thing to watch, even though, you know, the person at the time was insisting, no, this is what gets them, their natural behaviors go.

Speaker 10 And in fact, we were breeding those condors and several of the condor chicks that hatched out at Crannet Park Zoo are now flying free in Colombia. They were released back into the wild.

Speaker 10 That was the most productive pair of condors, Andean condors in the country at the time. And it was because they were provided all these natural behaviors.

Speaker 10 So, I mean,

Speaker 10 listen, I'd be a bit of a hypocrite because the bottom line is, you know, we've got to feed these animals animals. You know, it's a circle of life.

Speaker 10 and I just think that the animals can be more humanely

Speaker 8 put down as opposed to putting them in their live and having them fight for their life Ron I didn't know there was a zoo at Crandon Park it says it closed in the 80s what was the story with the Crandon Park zoo yeah that's where I first started working it was a beautiful place.

Speaker 10 As far as the zoo goes, it was really horrific, especially when you look back at some of the

Speaker 10 classic cages with the metal bars, the concrete floors, you know, maybe a tire hanging from a rope for the chimps. It was really everything that is terrible about zoos.

Speaker 10 But they didn't know better back then. Everything back then was a different mindset.
People fortunately have gone a long way and realized that this is no way to maintain animals.

Speaker 10 So there's been improvements. You know, having said that, listen, in a perfect world, and I know that's going to sound strange coming from me, we wouldn't...
we wouldn't need any zoos.

Speaker 10 In a perfect world, everybody would be able to go out to Africa, see the animals in the African plains, the Amazon, the Arctic, see these animals in their natural environment.

Speaker 10 Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. Most people will never be able to see that.

Speaker 10 And I know as a kid who grew up in a small apartment in New York City, being able to go to the Bronx Zoo planted a seed in me that has enabled me to, you know, raise millions of dollars to protect animals in the wild where they belong.

Speaker 10 But having said that, if the zoo is the last place that these animals can safely live, and zoos have failed, and what should be their number one priority, and that's to

Speaker 10 protect animals in the wild.

Speaker 7 Ron, earlier, I think you were talking about a chimp ripping off a person's arm and beating them with it.

Speaker 7 It really is insulting. Is that necessary? And have you actually seen it? It seems like at that point, it's adding insult to injury.

Speaker 7 Like, if you've taken my arm, why do you need to beat me with it also?

Speaker 10 I was kind of

Speaker 10 just kind of setting up an example. The reality is, when chimps come at you, one of the first things they do is they try to bite off your genitals.

Speaker 7 That's the reality? The first thing a chimp does when it comes up to you is tries to bite off your genitals.

Speaker 10 That's how they fight each other. They go right for the genitals.
They try to bite them off.

Speaker 1 Well, hold on a second.

Speaker 7 Do you have chimps, sans genitals at the zoo because they're biting them off? That's insulting.

Speaker 10 No, no, because because we've worked very hard to have a cohesive troop of chimps. But if rival, you could almost equate it to gangs.
You can see chimps in the wild when they go into...

Speaker 10 I agree with you, Dan.

Speaker 1 I'm rubbing my eyes. No, no, no, no, no.
Going down a bad rabbit hole. I'm sorry.
You're going down a bad rabbit hole here, Dan. Dan, we're learning, grow up.

Speaker 10 He wanted the information.

Speaker 1 So that's what they give.

Speaker 10 These chimps will fight with each other. And yes, a very common battle tactic in rival chimps is to go after the genitals.

Speaker 1 Fight's over at that point, right?

Speaker 3 Like whoever wins the genital biting contest, it's done, right?

Speaker 1 Oh yeah, no, it's over.

Speaker 10 It's over. It's over.

Speaker 7 But then you're primed for the next battle, right? Once you don't have genitals, you really have the upper hand in the next battle. I don't think you can.
Because they have nothing to bite off.

Speaker 7 You just get once, honestly. If you're done reproducing as a chimp, take my genitals.
I don't need my genitals anymore.

Speaker 7 I don't need little chimps running around that I then need to support or bad knock to go off to college.

Speaker 1 Billy, Billy.

Speaker 10 Billy, you planning to have any more kids?

Speaker 7 Honestly, you can take my genitals at this point.

Speaker 7 I'm just, I'm learning. Probably make my life more difficult if I have more.
I'm out of room at the Gill Manor. There's no more room in the inn.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 And unless I'm getting some sort of raise, we're out of rooms there. So I don't have any more room for these kids.
So take my genitals.

Speaker 1 And then, if I was a chip, you take my genitals, dude. I'm going undefeated.
Champion of the world. Just

Speaker 1 you know what I mean? Getting genitals left.

Speaker 10 Was that all your genitals were good for? It's just reproducing. There's nothing else you use those genitals for.
Nah,

Speaker 3 what if the raise was dependent on having another kid? You have another kid, you then get a raise.

Speaker 7 I get another raise for having a kid? Yeah. Sign me up.

Speaker 1 Okay, deal.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's binding. What about me?

Speaker 2 You got to get things in right now. Pocket metal arc.

Speaker 1 Skip Dan said.

Speaker 2 I want it to be orally binding right there.

Speaker 10 I have never heard of anyone so willing to forfeit their genitals in my life.

Speaker 2 It was shocking. Put it on the poll, please.
Is the fight won by the first genital biter? Because I do believe that you guys have got that right. Like that's the fight is over.

Speaker 1 Fights over. It's over.

Speaker 2 At that point, I was unaware after all of these years doing this with you.

Speaker 2 So the chimp is savvy that way. Like the chimp has learned over many years of evolution, I'm just going in first for the kill right there.

Speaker 2 That's my sweet spot.

Speaker 1 Bite his balls off.

Speaker 10 That's exactly right, guys. That's the male chimps.
That's how they go after each other.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Ron, good seeing you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Much of what it is that he's talking about will be on display when he unretires on April 13th, his Sex and the Animals presentation, which has an assortment of amazing scientific facts in it and is fun for the whole family.

Speaker 10 And mutilated genitalia.

Speaker 2 Some of the family. Fun for the whole family, Ron.
Can I say that April 13th is fun for the whole family or this is more of a fun?

Speaker 10 That's the whole family, Dan. It's 21 and over, brother.

Speaker 2 All right. It's an adult presentation.

Speaker 1 There you go. Okay.

Speaker 2 See you, Ron. Good seeing you.

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