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So I've been told that Nashville is the music city. We've had this conversation before.
I'm not a big fan of live music, but Nashville is supposed to be the music city, right? So you would think that if you go to a Nashville event, you're going to get some fine music. Not apparently if you go to a Nashville Predators game, you might this guy looks like he's got a jersey on? You said vet.
I think he was a vet. I'm not going to look it up, but I think he was a vet.
Great anthem. You got some leeway on that.

Thank you for your service, sir.

Incredible anthem.

Let him rock.

I'm still going to push back here.

Really?

There has to be another qualification.

Just on his face, you don't think that if you were at that game,

you wouldn't love that?

That was f***ing sick.

What?

Play it again.

This is ridiculous.

You don't know what song it is.

What beat is that? That guy's never played the bongos before. Someone just handed it like, hey, this is how you're doing it.

A really fast beat for that song.

I'm not a bongo player, although bongo does seem...

Yes, you are. Everybody is.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I love it at the stadium when they do the thing where it's like they put a picture of a bongo and then everyone's playing.

Even as an instrument for the bongos.

Isn't that a very, like, Afro, like...

I would have assumed as much.

Yeah, it felt like a person to playing the bongos authentically would have had a little bit more to them. History of the bongo.
Bongos, a pair of open bottom drums, originated in Afro-Cuban culture in the late 19th century. Just sing it, man.
Like, the singing's not terrible. Especially if you're playing the bongos.
His voice is great for someone who's also simultaneously playing the bongos. I think where Charlie was going with this was not arguing whether he's good at it or bad at it.
If you go to an event, would you rather just have a normal anthem or would you rather be at the one game

where this guy plays the

bongo? I'm with you. This is interesting

and I would be laughing if I was

in the arena. I wouldn't be angry about it, but it's

just one of those things of like,

something fell through the cracks here. Whoever's

in charge of the production there was definitely

like, alright, the person under

them got a strongly worded email the

next day. The best part about it was there was an

intermission interview. They were playing the Ducks

and we'll see the next day. The best part about it was there was an intermission interview.
They were playing the Ducks and one of the Ducks players were like, you guys got a slow start. Yeah, the Bongo anthem really threw us off a little bit.
Is that better or worse than the Fergie anthem? You remember the all-star game? That's an all-timer. Top of the heap.
It's better. You think it's better? Way better.

Way better.

Because the expectation for Fergie was that it would be just, that person went into it like, hey, this is a run-of-the-mill national anthem.

And you know what song she's singing the whole time.

You get a platinum artist, of course, musically, they're going to do something where we're

not going to make any headlines.

We're good here.

The Fergie anthem remix that the Warriors played in their locker room was awesome.

Yeah.

Apparently, she was not happy about that.

Or her ex-husband.

Ex-husband was complaining.

Still standing for her.

It's a tough moment.

Oh, they still believe it was good.

That's right.

I don't think they believe it's good.

I think that they are like... I'm an artist.

I wanted to make it my own.

I wanted to make it, you know, hey, you put the art out there and you let the people decide. No, they're not letting the people decide.
The people have decided that that was not art. It was the Draymond smile for me.
Where do we stop with the National Anthem? What version of the National Anthem is it like, hey, let's... I feel like we might have gotten there with this bongo.
Yeah. If I go up there and just start rapping the National Anthem, what's...
Like beatboxing like you would in class?

And I'm dead, dead ass serious the whole time.

It's not beatboxing.

It's a lunch table beat.

Oh, yeah, beatboxing.

Billy, you looked at me crazy when I said that.

Well, I was trying to figure out where are you doing it.

Yeah.

Like, what arena are you doing it in?

Let's make this happen.

We can get you at a heat game.

Because I think that...

Somewhere where it's like it doesn't fit.

Like Pittsburgh paints arena for a penguin game.

Like Utah.

Yeah.

Like you're doing it as a jazz game?

Yeah.

Then maybe.

Minor league baseball wouldn't fly.

Yeah.

I say you do it in Canada.

Turn the crowd.

Turn the crowd.

Because they're going to be booing you either way.

I like that.

So maybe if you do something different with it, they're like, wait, at first I wanted to boo this guy.

But his ambition.

When everybody's waving and I get them started right here first.

When I say glad, you say glad.

Yeah, you got to have a hype man.

You got to have a hype man along with it.

And I volunteer, Mike.

Or just bring Buster on.

Don't say, can you see what I'm going to do? He just starts going. You're a speed rapper? And you got to get away, get away, get away.
And the bombs were away, and away, and away. That would be the best national anthem ever.
Busta Rhymes national anthem. Let's go! Like 10 seconds long.
I mean, I don't know how much time Hulk needs to prepare, but I feel like he's got it in him. I feel like he's got a Busta Rhoffs national anthem in him.
Look at me now, version. Come on.
That's gold, man. Yeah, well, speaking of music and art, there's a Beatles movie coming out, right, Mike? There's four Beatles movies coming out.
Coming out? They each get one? Yeah, each member of the Beatles, they're all going to be directed by Sam Mendes, accomplished director. Accomplished director, did American Beauty.
They're going to have, it's basically the Beatleverse. And four movies are going to all come out in April of 2028.
It's being touted as the first ever bingeable theater experience. They're all going to be in each other's movies, but the focus will be on Paul's movie on Paul and so on and so forth.
Got to start with Ringo. Ringo is played by Barry Keegan, who's long since been rumored to it to be attached to this project.
This has been something that's been talked about for several years now in Hollywood. Sam Mendes taking on the Beatles, but doing an individual movie for each member.
They finally announced the full cast today and the release of 20 of 2028 now i don't know if it's all coming out the very same release date it would make sense to stagger them a little bit but all four movies are going to come out the same month that is a plan right now this is very ambitious filmmaking i love the concept yeah more for netflix though it's very it's a very netflix streamer type idea. We've never really tried this in the theaters, but I kind of like that the theaters are trying to hop aboard the ambition train.
And Sam Mendes doesn't really make streaming films. This is a big-time cinematic, very accomplished director.
It's the Beatles. They're literally the biggest thing ever when it comes to to music so it's going to be from like the same time period from all the different perspectives potentially i don't know if it's going to focus on the same time period chris is reading the article right now i don't know if it's going to time hop a little bit i mean it's the beatles they went through famously several different eras um but their stories are going to very clearly be intertwined i love it i think this is super dope are you a beatles guy or you just love the concept generally i love the concept and i probably am like 52 percent a beatles guy oh yeah my mom bought the uh the beatles one album when i was younger and we just we played it off the hook man and so i i just learned all the music and of that album specifically did you guys see the show on netflix a couple years ago called Kaleidoscope? Yeah, I did.
So like Kaleidoscope was kind of like this where it was like a heist movie. And there was like eight or nine episodes or whatever it was.
And there was no order to watch them in. Because each one was focusing on what happened.
And depending on which order you watched it in, you would believe different things based on how the story unfolded.

That's kind of like the last season of Arrested Development on Netflix

when they brought it back and then they gave you the perspective

of each character.

Nobody else saw it.

I can tell you, this is already—

You guys are very surprised at my whiteness.

You're listening to The Beatles and watching Arrested Development.

You know the thing? Disarm me a little bit. The thing about Arrested Development is like.
You also played the bongos earlier. You canceled it.
You brought it back. Then it was on Netflix and there was like a long break in between and then like you watch and you're like, I don't remember what's going on and I watched it to watch it because I felt like I needed to have some closure but then there were times where I'm like, I'm watching this just to watch it.
Like that i watched the whole thing that was my experience with it i want to go back it's the the ogs are still the best ones yeah but from a filmmaking perspective i don't know how they're going to go about shooting this it seems like a nightmare to edit because like well we're in this we're in this we built this set for the the ringo part but you know john this is big part of John. So I assume they're going to have their own perspective of the very same scene.
Yeah. It's a very ambitious project to take on.
All right. I'm throwing you a bit of a curveball right now.
But for somebody like me who's like, I'm aware of the Beatles. There's some songs that are good or fine, but I'm not a Beatles guy.
Put that in your bio. I'm aware of the Beatles.
I'm aware of the Beatles. There are some songs that are good or fine, but I'm not a Beatles guy.
Put that in your bio. How many folks are aware of the Beatles? I'm aware of the Beatles, but my parents didn't play Beatles when I was young.
Lots of people have told me, hey, you got to listen to Beatles. They'll give me a song.
I'm like, yeah, that thing is dope. I think a lot of the Beatles stuff was so influential that it doesn't feel special now.
It might have felt special at the time, but I'm like, yeah, it sounds like a lot of music that I've seen, but people who really appreciate, a lot of music I've heard, but people who really appreciate the Beatles will say that it's because music was so influenced by them. But what I want from you is some help at giving me some sports comps for each individual Beatle.
Because I know that, like, I heard off the top, we're not excited about the Ringo movie he's just clearly the fourth yeah Ringo's very clearly the drummer the fourth and probably won't make for the most interesting movie and you know people have taken shots at his musical ability and what not but the George one will be interesting Ringo's like Michael from Boyz II Men. If I gave a comp.
He was the one. No longer surprising your whiteness.
Thank you. I'm bilingual in that way.
I was looking for a sports comp, but that's a good non-sports comp. It's hard because I'm trying to get sports comps from the same era.
It doesn't have to be from the same era. It could be anywhere.
So I'm trying to get a crash course in understanding the dynamics in these people and these characters. And I know Paul seems like he's the most famous and affable.
But it only feels that way because he's been around. In your life, John would probably be the more famous of the two.
Most talented. Really? If he were around still, he'd probably be the most revered.
I don't know. You have John Lennon and Paul McCartney who are like the top two.
George Harrison, resentful of them. He thinks he could have been one of the top guys.
Is he delusional? Is he more talented? No, he's pretty talented. So he's right.
He could have been. George had a great single career.
So John Lennon, a little bit like maybe Derrick Rose? Lynn Bias? Not Lynn Bias? I don't think anybody's asking what could have been. His legacy was kind of cemented.
It's just like if he were still around right now, he'd be ultra-revere. So he would be the best of them.
I think so. People think John Lennon is the best.
But we might think that if Paul had died and John was staying hit, we might think that about Paul. So Paul's whole thing is he's just alive.
Are you calling Paul a compiler? A life compiler? I'm not saying it's his whole thing. And Ringo's just chilling.
Ringo's still alive. He's just like.
I think our perceptions of Paul would I think Paul and John were like neck and neck. So if Paul had gone earlier and John was still here, I think we might...
I don't know. I don't know.
1A, 1B. I wish your dad were here to get his perspective because he was around when it was going on.
He was. I get the sense that John feels more like an artist.
And that might also be, I get that sense because of the Yoko connection. He feels more like a free-spirited artist.
And Paul comes off more as a guy who had the art in him but understood the commerce. Paul was the one that everyone kind of liked, and he wrangled the group.
Like, hey, come on in, guys. Let's do this.
Let's do another album. I feel like we're pissing people off.
If he had the option, do you think Paul would change places with John to switch legacies? I think he'd rather be a legacy swap. Would I rather be assassinated? Well, but he could have the legacy of John.
Legacy-wise. But he wouldn't be a sir.
Paul has a great legacy. But his legacy is great.
He's Paul McCart. How about Ringo?

Would he switch places with John?

Now we're getting...

I like this for a sake topic.

That's something to chew on, my friend.

Would Ringo have taken John's exact

path? Because this whole thing is

he's the disrespected beetle.

I'm sure that act has worn thin on him

a little bit. He sounds the most

like a beetle, Will.

You guys are asking the questions

to people who asked you about the Beatles.

Was that John?

That's one of them.

I think you sneaky limited fake bag is awfully deep.

You hit us with some yesterday.

Oh, the Sammy one?

Your Samson one was elite yesterday.

His best impersonation is Jay Gruden.

Robert and Kirk. Very niche.
My Jay Gruden. Robert and Kirk.

Very niche. My quarterback, man.
Robert and Kirk. That is...
Again, that was my offensive coordinator. He dropped that on me mid-show one time, bro.
I almost crapped my pants, bro. Would Ringo change places with George? Because George also passed away, but he wasn't assassinated.
George was around a little bit longer maybe they'll cover this in the movie I like the the the Beatles verse version of this though I do think that's really cool and I would imagine in production what they'll do is they'll have their individual tracks of filming but all the scenes that do overlap they'll just knock them out in the same setting right you think they're gonna have arguments and it'll be like portrayed in one way from John's perspective? It'll be great. And it'll be a totally different experience from Paul? That's the best part because when two people come into an argument, you never see the buildup leading to it.
So like you said with Kaleidoscope, we'll have a completely different thought process getting to that point. I'm just now imagining the Ringo movie.
We're like, Ringo, I got some rough news for John. It's been assassinated.
He's like, oh, why couldn't it be me? And like years later, like, oh, Ringo, bad news. George.
Oh, again. When's my turn? His whole movie.
That's crazy. I'm still alive.
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Some of the news that's come out of the meeting at the Breakers for the NFL owners is not all that riveting right now, but some of the video I've really enjoyed. Have you guys seen the Mike Tomlin video where he's answering a question, I think, about Aaron Rodgers? He's answering that question.
But the answer to the question doesn't matter as much as the visuals. I don't know if anyone's seen that.
He looks super sweaty. Is this audio, guys? Let's play this.
We got it ready. He's a free agent.
As you guys know, he came to visit last Friday. We had a really productive day.
He's been in this thing a long time. I've been in this thing a long time.
But it's no substitute for intimacy and spending time together and getting to know one another in a non-competitive environment. And so that was really good.
But I don't have any new updates in terms of where the process is. We'll see what it leaves us.
There's a lot more to it. He is glistening.
He doesn't even say anything that's super interesting in there. It's just pretty straightforward about Aaron Rodgers.
He's the best at saying absolutely nothing. Like absolutely nothing, but to the point that you're like, I'd run through a wall for this guy.
Saying absolutely nothing, and, like, he's right. And then if you, like, sit back and think, like, what is he right about? I don't know, but he's right.
This is not outside. It's a hell of a skill.
I was wondering if we didn't have the sound, what would I think this person is talking about? Because his shirt is not sweaty, but his face and the whole thing is all drenched. The first thing that came to my mind was that this would be someone if their girl was like, you left your phone open.
This is now someone trying to explain to them what they were. The key and pill meme where the sweat just starts going.
I think that him coming from Pittsburgh to Palm Beach, Florida, isn't that where the meetings are? Oh, that's true. Come on, man.
I moved down here two years ago, and I could not figure out for the life of me how you humans down here survived. Like, once it gets hot, and it's like, yo, I don't feel like your body is meant to sweat as much as you just get normalized into doing.
And I think for mike t this is just day one palm beach like okay someone let the door open everyone else is like oh it's not too bad and he's like what the hell is going on here too this is just crazy mike tomlin still says nothing as good as anyone ever in history but i think this not to reach back to the taylor jenkins thing but that's a huge value where my mind was going like he should take notes and this is we try to figure out how valuable or how good a coach Mike Tomlin is and we often focus on the X's and O's on the field and for Mike Tomlin we all appreciate that he's able to have all these super talented players who are material I guess I don't know I've tried to find a nice way to characterize so many of the players that have played for them and played well for them and not survived elsewhere. But that also, the idea that you can deliver something, and no matter what it is, people will give it a time of day.
Just because the way that you deliver it is with so much. You were teammates with Ray Lewis.
I do know. I do know.
I'd run through a wall for Ray. And it was all nonsense.
Utter nonsense. We played Ray in 2011.
How much did you lose by? We needed to win to get into the playoffs, and we didn't, right? But I had a couple of catches late in the game, some big third downs. I think I finished the game maybe with 36 yards receiving.
But you didn't care about that because you only wanted to win. Not really because it was like, you know, you're that young position where it's like, do I want the season to keep going? I actually have a question.
Can we hit pause on that? You guys played each other. Did we? In the league.
I don't know. We're asking.
You were in the same division. We were, but it's like.
I know you were inside and Dominique was on the outside. And I tore my ACL, so we may not have played.
You don't think there was ever a time where you guys shared a football field? That's interesting. Considering how much time you spent in the division.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. Well, I mean, I do know.
I do know that we won if we played each other. Yeah, likely.
That's a safe bet. All right, unpause.
I think one of them knows, and the one that knows is the one that lost the battle. Like, that's what's going on here.
And I don't know which one is lying, but one of them has been curious. I do not remember going against Dominique Foxworth.
You may not remember, but one of you has definitely looked this up at some point in time and didn't like the results. And that's why we're both pretending we don't know if we played each other.
I know I went against almost exclusively, like 100% of the snaps against Ladarius Webb. I know that to be a fact.
Yeah. Because he was the spot corner.
Well, because I coached him before I got to the NFL. So he would call me coach on the field.
That is incredibly disrespectful. While jamming you to the sideline.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Webb was nice, boy.
That is incredibly disrespectful. Webb was nice, boy.
Webb was nice. He came in as a safety.
They moved him to the slot. Eventually, he played outside corner.
Webb was giving you that work. Who did he not like to go against the most? That's because he felt bad about roughing his men's room.
That's what I was going to say. If you ever did anything against him, you'd be like,

Mr. Beyond Coach, he tapped you on the head.

He's got to say coach.

He really was calling me coach.

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Chad GBT finally gets one right. We weren't lying, Billy.
It's fine. We would have told it if it happened.
Because one of us, the thing that I think that you don't recognize about us is if I knew that I gave Hawk that word. Oh, yeah.
That's why I thought that you were lying. Yeah.
I thought you were lying. Oh, yeah.
I would have kicked it off day one. Remember that time? This pivotal game.
Jumping into the way back machine. There is one way that we can fire it back up.
Oh, man. And finally get the answer.
Let's just do it. Tony will be quarterback.
ball. I feel good about it.
I feel really good about it. Just all footwork, baby.
I got that one. I'm going to swing down, swipe it.
I got that one. I feel really good about my chances.
You're going to run back a big six. Both running in opposite directions, scoring a touchdown with an imaginary ball.
I got that one. No, you didn't.
That's what I did. I can't wait to do it now.
I was saying there's no way you guys could talk me into trying to do anything athletic, but hey, if we get Tony out there with no ball, I'll be calm down. I don't know.
Tipped at the line. I got tipped at the line.
The story I was going to get to was I didn't do that much, and then after the game, Ray gave me a speech about two inches away from my nose, like, you're a goddamn warrior, you understand me? I love the way you play. And I was like, very, I guess it's very intense.
And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. But I walked away being like, I don't know, I don't feel like I did anything that important.
I'm not sure if he knows exactly who I was. You're small.
I feel like he's mistaken me for somebody else that might have made a couple of plays in that game. Who? On the Browns? I don't know, man.
It was you, man. It just felt like a random speech in a game that didn't work.
It was. Or in a speech.
It would be like yesterday. I love you, Eric Metcalf.
After game one, me just like, again, nose to nose in y'all. And it was very – he's a very close talker.
I think he recognizes who he is and the value of his words and i think that he probably thought in that moment that you in a situation you had talent and you're on a team that is not very good that this guy is obviously good and it wasn't just from that game i imagine it was from film study also and he was like before we leave here this guy who's obviously fighting to get in the league and stay in the league and show his worth and is on his team that could be demoralized, I'm going to give him a word. Right, and I think that's a it sounds, as I get older, I recognize things that a younger me thought was stupid, but a younger me would be like the content matters more than the delivery.
And I wouldn't say it was stupid. I loved it.
It was really, it's Ray freaking Lewis, man. Like it wasn't like, but I'm just trying to like contextualize it to myself.
Like you didn't do anything that great though. So much love to Ray.
I'm telling you what happened. And his ability to motivate, which is kind of the point of the story.
It's pretty obvious that through the week of practice, he saw this one guy on the team that is working really hard, that's making plays in spite of what's challenging around him.

And then he played in the game, and they probably beat you.

And he was like, where is that kid, Hawk, that stood out on film?

That kid probably needs a word from Reverend Ray to keep it going.

And it hit you with it.

Would you ever avoid Ray because you didn't want a speech at that moment? Nah, you never. I mean, so he always speaks in speeches and you never avoid Ray because it's either inspirational or funny.
It's not a bad thing. Ray's the coolest dude to be around.
Very intense. But I think the thing that I could have learned from him that I didn't was that it's so much more in certain situations or the delivery matters, if not more, as much as the content in certain situations.

And I would always think that, but it's what you say that matters.

But like, no, sometimes it's about getting their attention and make sure they're in front of you.

I mean, throughout the history of American politics, it's often how you say things. What's the best compliment you ever received from an opponent? Best compliment you ever received from an opponent? I don't know.
Did Jerry Rice compliment you as you ended his career? No. Jerry Rice didn't like me.
Because you ended his career. So Jerry, my rookie year in Denver, Jerry Rice came to camp with us.
He ended up retiring before the season started. But it was like I grew up watching Jerry Rice.
I love Jerry Rice. He was my brother's favorite player.
That's wild. And so my first rep in training camp was against Jerry Rice in one-on-ones.
How old was Jerry Rice? 40-plus. That's crazy.
Yeah. As someone who just debated all day about what we could do and could not do athletically, the thought of being in a training camp, the way I feel now feels of the utmost ridiculous.
Jerry Rice was not participating. Yeah, but he's Jerry Rice.
You're in trouble. Okay.
Jerry Rice. Accountability.
Okay. He's the greatest receiver of all time.
My bad.

You won one football game in two seasons.

And trading camp is...

Good call.

That was the last one was unnecessary.

All of them leading up to it was good.

That last one was not...

It also was not factual.

I let it go because it's good marketing at this point.

To be so historically bad that it's a calling card.

I only was a part of the first season, technically.

Okay, I got you. But I digress.
That was the one card. I only was a part of the first season, technically.
Okay, I gotcha. But

I digress. That was

the one where they won no games?

We were 1-15. The following

year, they were 0-16. So take that.

Yeah, buddy. He wasn't

there for that. Unless you think this show's the

only example of getting worse show over

show. Cleveland Browns

followed up a 1-win season with a 0-win

season. So yeah, Jerry came and Jerry's camp experience was different because, you know, you're a vet at that point.
Camp for us was like, look, I got to show y'all I can play every single snap of every day for two whole practices. Jerry Rice, they knew what you're capable of.
We needed to see how much of it he could bring to the table, and they determined that it wasn't enough but jerry was not jerry rice and so my first rep um i won it and i was so like go ahead sorry don't apologize hey man we gotta we gotta take shots i think um you're afraid to touch the button this is this is one of those games where you gotta just put them up and see and see where it lands. Now you know where that button is.
Hold off the late rally. Come on, we've got a Jerry Rice story.
Did I do it? Yeah. The best thing about Jerry Rice, he's incredibly cool, as you would expect him to be, being the greatest receiver of all time.
But the greatest thing about a training camp, we had the off-season stuff, and so we were there together for a long time. And so we would go to the club, and Jerry would go with us.
And it was crazy in and of itself. We're going to just breeze over that, but we'll come back to it.
Go ahead. That's crazy.
40 years old in the club with you as a rookie, 21, 40 plus. So it was like.
Never makes sense, no matter the context. But go ahead.
The whole team was like, hey, we're going out.

And you're part of the team.

You go out.

Right?

So.

Okay.

Anyway, Jerry, we was in early 2000s.

So we all were in oversized clothes.

And Jerry was in a fit that was probably killing him in the 80s.

And would probably kill him right now.

Because, like, the tight. It was tight was tight, buttons only a few buttons button and a skinny chain but we were in an era where everything was baggy monster change and so we walk into the club, Jerry is in the 80s cooking him and we all in 2000 looking at Jerry like why he dressed like that but really he was the freshest one of all of us in like a silk button down with his chest hair out in a tiny gold chain.
If you had a picture of that night right now, he would be the only one. Yeah, we all would be looking like...
He has sense. What the hell are y'all doing? You remember how ridiculously big our clothes were? I never looked at the jean size.
Now again, me, 5'7". I would walk into a store.
I would just pick up whatever pair of jeans and buy it. Never looked at the tab.
It did not matter the size of it because there was no downside to it. Hey, my belts was getting work, boy.
The belts was, ugh. The braided belts? Oh, yeah, because you had to pull it so tight.
I couldn't have a belt with holes in it. You had a braided joint.
I would get size 38 pants, which, like, I wear 32, 33. Put them on super tight, and I thought I was killing them with a baggy throwback on.
I remember when I had all the jerseys, like, going out of high school, I had a bunch of jerseys, and I had, like, one authentic jersey. That thing was fresh.
The rest of them was the replicas with the little screen printed on it. I had, like, a red Tiki Barber that I thought was cold because it was red.
It's like, what are you doing? Like, he was not, like, an exciting player. He was a good player.
But, like, I had a Tiki Barber jersey on just because of the colors. The more niche the player,

the more respect you got.

You know, like I had a... Yes, Joe Jarevicius.

Check me, my boy.

You see me out here shining.

Joe Jarevicius.

Hawk, what's the best compliment

you receive from an opponent?

You're cute.

You're a good looking guy thank you did it come from a handsome dude huh nah i don't know i don't remember but you left there feeling good about yourself hey i'm like hey man did you were you uh i regret this about me but towards my entire career i was a get off the field as soon as possible wasn't a hang-out, shake-hands guy. Win or lose, it was like, game's over.
I'm in there. So that was the time for compliments.
I would participate in all the trash talk and fighting and the game and that sort of stuff, but the time for like, oh, yeah, we get up in the offseason, blah, blah, blah, I ain't had time for that shit. I wasn't going to the locker room.
I didn't go to a big enough school to have enough. Yeah, I think that was probably it too.
You know what I'm saying? So it's not like guys I grew up playing against in the league. You know, it was like Where's Gredkowski? Yeah, it was like nine Mac players, you know, and even then we probably don't even remember each other because I can't believe you're here.
I can't believe, we can't believe either one of us is here. You laid the foundation though.
Like you guys have put guys in the league since. No, for sure.
Now it's all good. But also if you're a free agent, if you're going to a free agency, that's when you stick around.
You go shake every coach's hand. They need to know the personality.
It's almost like combine interviews after every game. No jersey swaps for you? Hell no.
No jersey swaps. That wasn't a thing in our era.
Really? Well, at the end of my era, it was.

But you had to be really good back then. Back then, you had to be good to Jersey.
It was people like

watching the Champions League final in the World Cup.

Like, hey, let's do that.

It's always funny watching football players do that because they have to

like pads and they're like

all of a sudden, they're completely

so inconvenient to take off. You need somebody to

help you yank it off. And you pay for it.

Yeah, I was going to say they charge you for it too, right?

You pay for every Jersey. You're talking to the person

like, I'm going to spend like 400 bucks on this

person. I don't even know you.
And you pay for it. Yeah, I was going to say they charge you for it too, right? You pay for every jersey.

You're talking to the person like,

I'm going to spend like

400 bucks on this person.

I don't even know you.

I did get denied

for a jersey swap.

Oh, really?

Yeah, by Steve Smith.

Nice.

Steve Smith.

Oh, that's a good one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was like, nah.

He just said it like that.

I thought you said you asked.

I thought you made that seem like

I thought you said,

Nod.

That was like the positive nod. I was like, oh, it's a good one.
Ice up. No.
Oh, wow. That went from being awesome to sad.
Yeah, no. I'm a big Steve Smith fan, as you would imagine, growing up.
He also played with my brother. And it was like one game I had a really good game against the Ravens, and I just did what you did.
I went inside. So then we played the Ravens the second time, and in pregame, he like cussed me out.
Like, hey, mother, I played with your brother. You don't ever go in without saying what's up.
And he was being dead serious, right? So I'm like, all right, cool. So the next couple times we played, I dapped up.
And then my last year, it was like, yo, can I get the jersey? And it was like nah so that is great but i i think it was because he had like this is what at least i qualified in my mind he had like the special jersey that he made where you had the hand warmer in the jersey he was like no bro i'm not i'm not gonna get another one of these done up and again at least that's how i qualified it in my mind of why that happened. That's right.
It's impossible to get one of them hand-women jerseys. Yeah, I mean.
Those are hard to come by. Especially in Carolina.
It's hot down there. Yeah, no, it was, you know.
They certainly wouldn't make it for Steve Smith or whatever. No.
They told him beginning of the year, you got one. You got one.
Better bleach that. Don't even think about swapping this.
You know what I'm saying?

My favorite Steve Smith clip ever when it was NFL films,

it was a playoff game, and he was just sitting next to DeLome.

He's like, I never liked you as a quarterback.

Like he was a person, you're fine, but as a quarterback, you're bad.

And DeLome's just sitting there like, yeah, yeah.

I think my favorite Steve Smith story ever was that one.

Steve Smith's great, man. We had him on our show a while ago, and we were anticipating, I guess it was like a year ago or something.
It was amazing. He came on to do scouting reports of NFL draft receivers.
And then I asked a couple of questions and then we ended up having a therapy session. And I was like, Charlie, did we just talk about feelings with Steve Smith for an hour? It was actually really interesting and incredible, but it wasn't what we were anticipating.

Yeah, he talked about parenting, anger

management, where he's at in his life right

now. And I was just like, so you think

Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be the Hall of Famer?

Where are we going with this?

Maserati Marv.

That's crazy because he's one of my favorite players

ever. Most underrated receiver in NFL

history, in my opinion. Pound for pound, one of the

greatest we've ever seen. Easily.
Steve Smith was a guy that,, would, when I played against him, a couple times I played against him, it was, he would check you in the first quarter. It's like, what type of game this going to be? Am I going to be able to bully this person? Are they going to fight back? It was the first quarter situation.
You hit him back, he's like, all right, we can do this. But if you don't, you are in for it.
I have an update on the Tomlin situation. I'm being told that the coach's photo was inside this year because of rain.
So it could be a rain situation. There's no rain on his shirt.
All right. I'm just like, you know, there's some people just making sure.
I don't want to be calling him sweaty if it's because of rain. Well, to Hawk's point, it's 37 degrees today in Pittsburgh.
He's not coming from... Yeah.
It's like a 60 degree difference. Plus, that looks like a schvitz.
Yeah, man. But it's not on his shirt either, much like the rain isn't on his shirt.
I was looking for sweat remnants dripping down that. That shirt certainly looks like it would pick up the sweat.
It looks like it also could have been in the rain, that shirt. But rain doesn't sit on the feet.
It doesn't like that way. You don't wipe rain the way you don't wipe up with rain.
And he's not standing outside with his mouth open wide. When the rain's falling down, you turn your head down.
The upward wipe. Yeah, that is not with rain.
That's never been anything. Only with sweat.
You know what he needs.

He needs a tailor.

He needs a headband.

He needs a tailor headband.

There we go.

We got to send him.

So this man got on a Nike.

He got on Nike shorts, Nike shirt, and what's that, Kmart?

Generic headband?

You don't even got a check?

No check. They said, yes, you can have the uniform, Taylor.

You got to go find your own headband, man. Andy's not sweating at all.
Mike Tomlin. Hell of a point.
Who's sitting down and sweating way more than Taylor, who is running maybe up to 800 meters. Mike Tomlin will beat Taylor in a race today.
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