Hour 2: The 52% Beatles Guy

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Speaker 1 This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

Speaker 1 All right, so I've been told that Nashville is the music city. We've had this conversation before.
I'm not a big fan of live music, but Nashville is supposed to be the music city, right?

Speaker 1 So you would think that if you go to a Nashville event, you're going to get some fine music. Yeah.
Not apparently, if you go to a Nashville Predators game, you might get an anthem like this.

Speaker 1 How did that get approved?

Speaker 1 Like, do they not vet things? Were they just like, all right, this guy looks like he's going to be like, you said vet? I think he was a vet. Yeah.
I'm going to look it up, but I think he was a vet.

Speaker 1 Great anthem. You got some leeway on that.

Speaker 1 Thank you for your service, sir. Incredible anthem.
Let him rock. I'm still gonna push back here.
Really?

Speaker 1 Like, there has to be another qualification. Just honest face, you don't think that if you were at that game, you wouldn't love that.
That was sick.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Play it again. This is ridiculous.
You don't know what song it is.

Speaker 1 What beat is that?

Speaker 1 What so boundly we did?

Speaker 1 That guy's never played the bongo.

Speaker 1 Someone just handed it, like, hey, this is how you're doing it. A really fast beat for that song.
That I don't, I don't, I'm not a bongo player. Although, bongo.
Yes, you are. Everybody is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess you're right. I love the same game when they do the thing where it's like they put a picture of a bongo and then everyone's playing that game.

Speaker 1 Even as an instrument for the bongos, isn't that a very like Afro, like... I don't, I would have assumed much

Speaker 1 yeah it felt like a person playing the bongos

Speaker 1 authentically would have had a little bit more to them history of the bongo

Speaker 1 Bongos a pair of open-bottom drums originated in Afro-Cuban culture in the late 19th century

Speaker 1 Just sing it man like the singing's not terrible it's especially if you're playing the bongos while his voice is great for someone who's also simultaneously playing the bongos I think I think uh where Charlie was going with this was not argue whether he's good at it or bad at it.

Speaker 1 If you're going to an event, would you rather just have a normal anthem? Or would you rather be at the one game where this guy plays the bongo? I'm lost. This is interesting.

Speaker 1 And I would be laughing if I was in the arena. I wouldn't be angry about it, but it's just one of those things of like, something fell through the cracks here.

Speaker 1 Like whoever's in charge of the production there was definitely like, all right, like the person under them got a strongly worded email the next day.

Speaker 1 The best part about it was there was an intermission interview. They were playing the Ducks and one of the Ducks players were like, you guys got a slow start.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Bongo anthem really threw us off a little bit.

Speaker 1 Is that better or worse than the Fergie anthem? You remember the All-Star game? Anthony.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Top of the heap.
It's better. You think it's better? Way better.
Way better. Because the expectation for Fergie was that it would be just...

Speaker 1 That person went into it like, hey, this is a run-of-the-mill national anthem. And you know what songs she's singing the whole time.
You get a platinum artist.

Speaker 1 Of course, musically, they're going to do something where we're not going to make any headlines we're good here the uh fergie anthem remix that the warriors played in their locker room was awesome yeah apparently she was not happy about that

Speaker 1 or her ex-husband ex-husband was complaining still still standing for it's a tough moment oh they they still believe it was good

Speaker 1 that's right i don't think they believe it's good i think that they are like i'm an artist i wanted to make it my own wanted to make it you know hey you put the art out there and you let the people decide no they're not letting the people decide the people have decided that they've decided

Speaker 1 overwhelmingly. This is the Draymond smile for you.
Where do we stop with the national anthem? At what version of the national anthem is it like, hey, let's...

Speaker 1 I feel like we might have gotten there with this bongo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I go up there and just start rapping the national anthem, what's

Speaker 1 like beatboxing like you would in Scotland? And I just start to, and I'm dead, dead ass serious the whole time. It's not beatboxing.
It's a lunch table beat. Oh, yeah, beatboxing.

Speaker 1 Billy, you looked at me crazy when I said that. Well, I was trying to figure out where are you doing it? Yeah.
Like, what arena are you doing it in? Let's make this happen.

Speaker 1 We can get you at a heat game. Because I think that.
Somewhere where it's like, it doesn't fit. Like,

Speaker 1 like Pittsburgh paints arena for a pipe. Like Utah.

Speaker 1 Are you doing it as a jazz game? Yeah. Then maybe.

Speaker 1 Minor League Baseball wouldn't fly. Yeah.
I say you do it in Canada. Turn the crowd.
Turn the crowd. Because they're going to be booing you either way.

Speaker 1 So maybe if you do something different with it, they're like, wait, at first I wanted to boo this guy. But his ambition.
What everybody's saving. And I get him started right here first.

Speaker 1 When I say

Speaker 1 you say glaire.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to have a hype man. I got to have a hype man along with it.
And I volunteer, Mike.

Speaker 1 Just bring Buster Rhyme.

Speaker 1 He just starts going in. You're a speed rapper? And you got to get away, get away, get away.

Speaker 1 And the bombs were away, get away, get away.

Speaker 1 That would be the best Nashville anthem ever. Buster Rhyme's Nash.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Like 10 seconds long.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know how much time Hulk needs to prepare, but I feel like he's got it in him. I feel like he's got a Buster Rob's National Anthem in him.

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Speaker 1 That's gold, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, speaking of music and art, there's a Beatles movie coming out, right, Mike? There's four.
There's four Beatles movies.

Speaker 1 Coming out? They each get one? Yeah. Each member of the Beatles, they're all going to be directed by Sam Mendez, accomplished director.
Accomplished director did American Beauty.

Speaker 1 They're going to have, it's basically the Beatleverse. And four movies are going to all come out in April of 2028.

Speaker 1 It's being touted as the first ever bingeable theater experience. They're all going to be in each other's movies, but the focus will be on Paul's movie on Paul and so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 You got to start with Ringo. No one's going on.
Ringo is a Paul. Played by Barry Keegan, who's long since been rumored to it, to be attached to this project.

Speaker 1 This has been something that's been talked about for several years now in Hollywood. Sam Mendez taking on the Beatles, but doing an individual movie for each member.

Speaker 1 They finally announced the full cast today and the release of 2028. Now, I don't know if it's all coming out the very same release date.

Speaker 1 It would make sense to stagger them a little bit, but all four movies are going to come out the same month. That is a plan right now.
This is very ambitious filmmaking.

Speaker 1 I love the concept. Yeah.
More for Netflix, though.

Speaker 1 It's very, it's a very Netflix-y streamer type of idea. We've never really tried this in the theaters, but I kind of like that the theaters are trying to hop aboard the ambition train.

Speaker 1 And Sam Mendez doesn't really make streaming films. Like, this is a big-time cinematic, very accomplished director.
It's the Beatles.

Speaker 1 They're literally like the biggest thing ever when it comes to music. So it's going to be from like the same time period from all of their different perspectives, potentially?

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's going to focus on the same time period. Chris is reading the article right now.
I don't know if it's going to time hop a little bit. I mean, it's the Beatles.

Speaker 1 They went through famously several different eras,

Speaker 1 but their stories are going to very clearly be intertwined. I love it.
I think this is super dope. Are you a Beatles guy or you just love the concept generally?

Speaker 1 I love the concept, and I probably am like 52% a Beatles guy. Oh.
Yeah, my mom bought the Beatles one album when I was younger, and we just, we played it off the hook, man.

Speaker 1 And so I just learned all the music. of that album specifically.
Did you guys see the show on Netflix a couple years ago called Kaleidoscope? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 So like Kaleidoscope was kind of like this, where it was like a heist movie and there was like eight or nine episodes or whatever it was and there was no order to watch them in because each one was focusing on what happened and depending on which order you watched it in, you would believe different things based on how the story

Speaker 1 unfolded. That's kind of like the last season of Arrested Development on Netflix when they like brought it back and then they gave you the perspective of each character.
Nobody else saw it.

Speaker 1 I can tell you, like, this is already...

Speaker 1 You You guys are very surprised that my

Speaker 1 whiteness. Like, yo, you listen to the Beatles and watching Arrested Development.

Speaker 1 The thing about Arrested Development is like... You also played the bongos earlier.

Speaker 1 You canceled it, you brought it back, then it was on Netflix, and there was like a long break in between. And then you watch and you're like, I don't remember what's going on.

Speaker 1 And I watched it to watch it because I felt like I needed to have some closure. But then there were times where I'm like, I'm watching this just to watch it.

Speaker 1 Like to say that I watched the whole thing. That was my experience with it.
I want to go back.

Speaker 1 The OGs are still the best ones.

Speaker 1 But from a filmmaking perspective, I don't know how they're going to go about shooting this.

Speaker 1 It seems like a nightmare to edit because, like, well, we're in this, we're in this, we built this set for the Ringo part, but, you know, John, this is a big part of John.

Speaker 1 So I assume they're going to have their own perspective of the very same scene. Yeah.
And like, it's, it's a very ambitious project to take on. All right.

Speaker 1 I'm throwing you a bit of a curveball right now, but for somebody like me who's like, I'm aware of the Beatles, there's some songs that like are good, are fine, but I'm not a Beatles.

Speaker 1 Put that in your bio.

Speaker 1 I'm aware of the Beatles. I'm aware of the Beatles, but my parents didn't play Beatles when I was young.

Speaker 1 Lots of people have like told me, hey, you got to listen to Beatles. They'll give me a song.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yeah, that thing is dope, but most of them, I think a lot of the Beatles stuff was so influential that it... It doesn't feel special now.

Speaker 1 It might have felt special at the time, but I'm like, yeah, it sounds like a lot of music that I've seen, but people who really appreciate, a lot of music I've heard, but people who really appreciate the Beatles will say that it's because music was so influenced by them.

Speaker 1 But what I want from you is some help at giving me some sports comps for each individual Beatle. Because I know that, like, I heard off the top, we're not excited about the Ringo movie.

Speaker 1 Like, he's the least. This is clearly the fourth.
Yeah, Ringo's very clearly the fourth. The drummer.

Speaker 1 The fourth, and not, it probably won't make for the most interesting movie.

Speaker 1 And, you know, people have taken shots at his musical ability and whatnot. But the George one will be interesting.
See what Ringo's like Michael from Boys to Men. Well,

Speaker 1 if I gave a comp, you know, like he was the one. No longer surprised at your whiteness.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I'm just trying to... I'm bilingual in that way.

Speaker 1 I was looking for a sports comp, but that's a good non-sports comp. Well, it's hard because

Speaker 1 it would have to be... I'm trying to get sports comps from the same era.

Speaker 1 It doesn't have to be from the same era. It could be anywhere.
So I'm trying to get a, like a, a crash course and understanding the dynamics in these play, these people and these characters.

Speaker 1 And I know, like, Paul seems like he's the most like famous and affable.

Speaker 1 But that only, it only feels that way because he's been around.

Speaker 1 You know, like in your life, you haven't. John would probably be the more famous of the people.
The most talented. Really?

Speaker 1 If he were around Syl, he'd probably be the most revered. So I don't know.
You have John Lennon and Paul McCartney who are like the top two. George Harrison, resentful of them too.

Speaker 1 He thinks he could have been one of the top guys.

Speaker 1 Is he delusional? Is he more talented? I know he's pretty talented. No, so he could have been.
So he's right. He could have been.
No, George had a great

Speaker 1 single career.

Speaker 1 So John Lennon, a little bit like maybe Derrick Rose, Lynn Bias. No, not Lynn Bias.

Speaker 1 I don't think anybody's asking what could have been.

Speaker 1 His legacy was kind of cemented. It's just like if he were still around right now, he'd be ultra revered.
So he would be the the best of them. I think so.
People think John Lennon is a cedar.

Speaker 1 But we might think that if Paul had died and John was staying here, we might think that about Paul. So Paul's whole thing is he's just alive.
Are you calling Paul a compiler? Yeah, a compiler.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it's just holding. And Ringo's just chilling.
Ringo's still alive. He's just like, he's Ringo.
I think our perceptions of Paul would kind of...

Speaker 1 I think Paul and John were like neck and neck. So if Paul had gone earlier and John was still here, I think we might, I don't know.
I don't know. I wish 1A, 1B.
I wish your dad were here. I did.

Speaker 1 I could get his perspective because he was around when it was going on.

Speaker 1 He was. I get the sense that John

Speaker 1 feels more like an artist. And that might also be, like, I get that sense because of the Yoko connection.
It's like, he feels more like a free-spirited artist.

Speaker 1 And Paul comes off more as a guy who had the art in him, but understood the commerce. Paul was the one that everyone kind of liked, and he wrangled the group.
Like, hey, come on in, guys.

Speaker 1 Let's do this. Let's do another album.
If he pisses people off, if he had the option, do you think Paul would change places with John to switch legacies? I think he'd rather be a person.

Speaker 1 I'd rather be a serf. I'd assassinated.
Well, but he could have the legacy of John. Legacy-wise.
But he wouldn't be a serf. Paul has a great legacy.
But his legacy is great. Like, he's Paul McCartney.

Speaker 1 How about Ringo? Would he switch places with John? Ringo. Ringo, my friend.
Now we're getting into that. Now, I like this for a sick topic.

Speaker 1 That's something to chew on, my friend. Would Ringo have taken John's exact path?

Speaker 1 Because this whole thing is he's the disrespected Beatle. Yeah, I'm sure that that act has worn thin on him a little bit.
He sounds the most Lego Beatles. Will you guys

Speaker 1 ask me who asked you about the Beatles? Was that John? That's one of them. I think

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Speaker 1 Would Ringo change places with George? Because George also

Speaker 1 wasn't assassinated. George was around a little bit longer.
Maybe they'll cover this in the movie.

Speaker 1 I like the Beatles version of this, though. I do think that's really cool.

Speaker 1 And I would imagine in production, what they'll do is they'll have their individual tracks of filming, but all the scenes that do overlap, they'll just knock them out in the same setting, right?

Speaker 1 Do you think they're gonna have arguments and it'll be like portrayed in one way from John's perspective, and it'll be like a totally different experience?

Speaker 1 That's the best part because, like, when two people come into an argument, you never see the build-up leading to it.

Speaker 1 So, like you said with Kaleidoscope, like we'll have a completely different thought process getting to that point.

Speaker 1 I'm just now imagining the Ringo movie. We're like, Ringo, I got some rough news for you.
John has been assassinated. He's like, oh, why couldn't it be me?

Speaker 1 And then like years later, like, oh, Ringo, bad news. George, has it? Oh, God.

Speaker 1 When's my turn?

Speaker 1 That's the whole movie. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1 Some of the news that's come out of the meeting at the Breakers for the NFL owners is not all that riveting right now, but some of the video I've really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 Have you guys seen the Mike Tomlin video where he's answering a question, I think, about

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers? He's answering that question, but the answer to the question doesn't matter as much as the visuals. I don't know if anyone's seen that.
I have not. He looks super sweaty.

Speaker 1 Is this audio, guys? Let's play this. We got it ready.

Speaker 1 He's a free agent.

Speaker 3 As you guys know, he came to visit last Friday. We had a really productive day.

Speaker 3 He's been in this thing a long time. I've been in this thing a long time.
But it's no substitute for

Speaker 3 intimacy and spending time together and getting to know one another in a non-competitive environment. And so that was really good.

Speaker 3 But I don't have any new updates in terms of where the process is.

Speaker 1 We'll see what leads.

Speaker 1 There's a lot more to it. He is glistening.
He doesn't even say anything that's super interesting in there. It's just pretty straightforward about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 He's the best at saying absolutely nothing. Like, absolutely nothing, but like to the point that you're like, I'd ran through a wall for this guy saying absolutely nothing.
And like, he's right.

Speaker 1 And then if you like sit back and think, like, what is he right about? I don't know, but he's right. This is not outside.
It's a hell of a skill.

Speaker 1 I was wondering if we didn't have the sound, what would I think this person is talking? Because his shirt is not sweaty, but his face and whole thing is all drenched.

Speaker 1 Like, the first thing that came to my mind was that

Speaker 1 this would be someone if their girl was like, you left your phone open. This is now someone trying to explain to them what he and Pill mean where the sweat just started.
Yeah, I think that

Speaker 1 him coming from Pittsburgh to Palm Beach, Florida. Isn't that where the meetings are? Oh, that's true.
Come on, man.

Speaker 1 I moved down here two years ago and I could not figure out for the life of me how you humans down here survived.

Speaker 1 Like once it gets hot and it's like, yo, I don't feel like your body is meant to sweat as much as you just get

Speaker 1 normalized into doing. And I think for Mike T, this is just day one, Palm Beach.
Like, okay, someone left the door open. Everyone else is like, oh, it's not too bad.

Speaker 1 And he's like, what the hell is going on here?

Speaker 1 This is just crazy. Mike Tomlin still says nothing as good as anyone ever in history, but I think this not to reach back to the Taylor Jenkins thing, but that's a huge value.

Speaker 1 That's where my mind was going.

Speaker 1 You should take notes. And this is, we try to figure out how valuable or how good a coach Mike Tomlin is.
And we often focus on the X's and O's on the field.

Speaker 1 And for Mike Tomlin, we all appreciate that he's able to have all these super talented players who are mercurial, I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I've tried to find a nice way to characterize so many of the players

Speaker 1 that have played for them and played well for them and not survived elsewhere but that also like i the idea that you can deliver something and no matter what it is people won't give it a time of day

Speaker 1 just because the way that you deliver it is with so much you were teammates with ray lewis you know i do know i do know i'd run through a wall for ray and it was all nonsense

Speaker 1 such utter utter nonsense We played Ray in 2000 maybe 11. How much did you lose by? We needed to win to get into the playoffs, and we didn't, right?

Speaker 1 But I had a couple of catches late in the game, some big third downs. I think I finished the game maybe with 36 yards receiving.
But you didn't care about that because you only wanted to win.

Speaker 1 Not really, because it was like, you know, you're in that young position where it's like, do I want the season to keep going? Right. I actually have a question.
Can we hit pause on that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you guys, you guys played each other. Did we? In the league.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 We're asking.

Speaker 1 You were in the same division. We were, but it's like...
I know you were inside and Dominique was on the outside.

Speaker 1 I may not die right here, so we may not have played. You You don't think there was ever a time where you guys shared a football field? That's interesting.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Considering how much time you spend in the division. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Well, I mean, I do know

Speaker 1 that you figured out. I do know that we won if we played each other.
Yeah, like a safe bet. All right, unpause.
I think one of them knows, and the one that knows is the one that lost the battle.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what's going on here. And I don't know which one does.
I don't know which one is lying, but one of them has been curing up. I don't remember going against Dominique Foxhall.

Speaker 1 You may not remember, but one of you has definitely looked this up at some point in time and didn't like the results. And that's why we're both pretending we don't know.

Speaker 1 I know I went against almost exclusively, like 100% of the snaps against Ladarius Webb. I know that to be a fact.
Yeah. Because you remember

Speaker 1 because. Well, because I coached him before I got to the NFL, so he would call me coach on the field.
That's incredibly disappointing. While jamming you to the sideline.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Webb was nice.
That is incredibly disgusting. Webb was nice, boy.
Webb was nice. He came in as a safety.
They moved him to the slot.

Speaker 1 Eventually, he played outside corner. Webb was giving ass words.

Speaker 1 Who did he not like to go against the most? That's because he felt bad about roughing his mitzero. Okay, that's what I was going to say.
Like, if you ever did anything against him, he'd be like,

Speaker 1 you got to say coach. He really was calling me coach.
I asked ChatGPT if Dominique Foxworth and Andrew Hawkins ever played a game against one another in the NFL. The answer was no.

Speaker 1 Because Dominique played corner in the NFL from 2005 to 2011 before retiring due to injuries. Hawkins entered the league in 2011.

Speaker 1 While their careers briefly overlapped in 2011, Dominique was dealing with injuries and only played two games that season before retiring. So they never face each other in an actual NFL game.

Speaker 1 Here's the answer. Chat GPT finally gets one right.
We weren't lying, Billy. No, it's fine.
We would have told it if it happened.

Speaker 1 Because one of us, the thing that I think you don't recognize about us is if I knew that I gave Hawk that word. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why I thought that you were lying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought you were lying. Oh, yeah.
I would have kicked it off. Day one.
Remember that Tom? This pivotal game. I went into the wayback mission.
I've seen that.

Speaker 1 There is one way that we can fire it back up. Oh, man.
We finally get the answer. Let's just go.
Tony will be quarterback. There won't be an actual ball.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. I feel good about it.
I feel really good. It's all footwork, baby.
I got that one. I'm going to swing down, swipe it.
I got that one.

Speaker 1 I feel really good about the front back, a big six, both running in opposite directions, scoring a touchdown with an imaginary ball.

Speaker 1 I got that one. No, you didn't.
That's not it. I can't wait to do it now.

Speaker 1 I was saying there's no way you guys could talk me into trying to do anything athletic, but hey, if we get Tony out there with no ball,

Speaker 1 I'm down.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't know, tipped that a line.

Speaker 1 I got tipped at a line. The story I was going to get to was I didn't do that much.
And then after the game, Ray gave me a speech about two inches away from my nose, like, you're a goddamn warrior.

Speaker 1 You understand me? I love the way you play. And I was like, very, I guess is very intense.
And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. But I walked away being like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't feel like I did anything that important.
I'm not sure if he knows exactly who I was. You're small.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's mistaken me for somebody else that might have made a couple of plays in that game. Who on the Browns? I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 Or it just felt like a random... a random speech in a game that didn't want a speech.
It would be like yesterday.

Speaker 1 After game one, me just like, again, nose to nose in y'all. Like, and it was very...
it's not. He recognized.
He's a very close talker.

Speaker 1 Because I think he recognizes who he is and the value of his words.

Speaker 1 And I think that he probably thought in that moment that you in a situation, you had talent and you're on a team that is not very good. That this guy is obviously good.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't just from that game. I imagine it was from film study also.

Speaker 1 And he was like, before we leave here, this guy who's obviously fighting to get in the league and stay in the league and show his worth and is on his team that could be demoralized,

Speaker 1 I'm going to give him a word.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And I think think that's a it's it sounds as i get older i recognize things that a younger me thought was stupid but a younger me would be like the content matters more than the delivery and i wouldn't say it was stupid i loved it it was really it's ray freaking lewis man like it wasn't like but i'm just trying to like contextualize it to myself like you didn't do anything that great though right so Much love to Ray.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you what happened. His ability to motivate.
I think it's pretty kind of the point of the story.

Speaker 1 It's pretty obvious that through the week of practice, he saw this one guy on the team that is working really hard, that's doing making plays in spite of what's challenging around him.

Speaker 1 And then he played in the game, and they probably beat you. And he was like, where is that kid Hawk that stood out on film? That kid probably needs a word from Reverend Ray to keep it going.

Speaker 1 And it hit you with it. Would you ever avoid Ray because you didn't want a speech at that moment? Nah, you never.
I mean, so

Speaker 1 he always speaks in speeches, and you never avoid ray because it's either inspirational or funny like it's it's not a bad thing ray's the coolest dude to be around very intense but i think the thing that i could have learned from him that i didn't was that it's so much more in certain situations or the the delivery matters if not more as much as the content in certain situations.

Speaker 1 And I would always think that, like, but it's what you say. that matters.
But like, no, sometimes it's about getting their attention and making sure they're in front of you.

Speaker 1 I mean, throughout the history of American politics,

Speaker 1 it's often how you say things. What's the best compliment you ever received from an opponent? Best compliment you ever received from an opponent.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Did Jerry Rice compliment you as you ended his career? No, Jerry Rice didn't like me. Because you ended his career.
So Jerry, Jerry, my rookie year. in Denver, Jerry Rice came to camp with us.

Speaker 1 He ended up retiring before the season started, but it was like I grew up watching Jerry Rice. I love Jerry Rice.
It was my brother's favorite player. That's wild.

Speaker 1 And so my first rep in training camp was against Jerry Rice in one-on-one. How old was Jerry Rice? 40 plus.
That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 As someone who just debated all day about what we could do and could not do athletically, the thought of being in a training camp,

Speaker 1 the way I feel now, feels

Speaker 1 of the utmost ridiculous. Jerry Rice was not participating.
Yeah, but he's Jerry Rice. Yeah, so like

Speaker 1 Jerry Rice. Accountability.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He's the greatest receiver of all time. Ah, my bad.
You won one football game in two seasons.

Speaker 1 And traded camera.

Speaker 1 Traded camp. The last one was not necessary.
All of them lead up to it.

Speaker 1 That last one was necessary. And also, it's not factual.
I let it go because

Speaker 1 it seems to be so historically bad. How bad? And if the calling card? I only was a part of the first season, technically.
Okay, I got you. But I digress.

Speaker 1 That was the one where they won no games? We were 1-15. The following year, they were 0-16.
So take that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He wasn't there for that, buddy. Unless you think this show is the only example of getting worse show over show.

Speaker 1 Cleveland Browns followed up a one-win season with a zero-win season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah, Jerry came. And Jerry's camp experience was different because, you know, you're a vet at that point.

Speaker 1 Camp for us was like, look, I got to show y'all I could play every single snap of every day for two whole practices. Jerry Rice, they knew what you're capable of.

Speaker 1 We needed to see how much of it he could bring to the table. And they determined that it wasn't enough.
But Jerry was not Jerry Rice. And so my first rep,

Speaker 1 I wanted. And I was so.
It's like Jerry Kino. But go ahead.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Don't apologize. Hey, man, we got to take shots.
I think.

Speaker 1 You're afraid to touch the button. This is one of those games where you got to just put them up and see where it lands.

Speaker 1 Now you know where that fucking is about. I pulled off the late rally.
Come on. We got a Jerry Rice story.
Did I do it? Yeah,

Speaker 1 the best thing about Jerry Rice, he was incredibly cool, as you would expect him to be,

Speaker 1 being the greatest receiver of all time. But the greatest thing about it, training camp, it was we had the like

Speaker 1 off-season stuff. And so we were there together for a long time.
And so we would go to the club and Jerry would go with us.

Speaker 1 And it was crazy in and of itself. Like, we're going to just breeze over that, but we'll come back to it.
Go ahead. Why is it crazy? 40 years old in the club with you as a rookie, 21, 40 plus.

Speaker 1 So it was like... Never makes sense, no matter the context, but go ahead.
The whole team was like, hey, we're going out. And you're part of the team.
You go out, right? So

Speaker 1 anyway, Jerry, we was in early 2000s. So we all were in oversized clothes.

Speaker 1 And Jerry was in a fit that was probably killing him in the 80s and would probably kill him right now because like the tight, it was tight, buttons, only a few buttons button and a skinny chain.

Speaker 1 But we were in an era where everything was baggy monster change. And so we walk into the club.
Jerry is in the 80s cooking him. And we all in 2000 looking at Jerry like, why is he dressed like that?

Speaker 1 But really, he was the freshest one of all of us in like a silk button down with his chest hair out and a tiny gold chain. Like if you had a picture of that night right now, he would be the only one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We all would be looking at the last cent. What the hell are y'all doing? You remember how ridiculously big our clothes were?

Speaker 1 I never looked at the jean jean size. Now again, me 5'7,

Speaker 1 I would walk into a store, I would just pick up whatever pair of jeans and buy it. Never looked at the tab.
It did not matter the size of it because that

Speaker 1 there was no downside to it. Hey, hey, my belts was getting work, boy.
The belts was

Speaker 1 the braided belts. Oh, yeah, because you had to pull it so tight.
I didn't have a belt with holes in it. You know, branded joint, I would get size 38 pants, which like I wear 32, 33.
Max, man.

Speaker 1 Put them on,

Speaker 1 super tight. And I thought I was killing him with a baggy throwback on.

Speaker 1 I remember when I had all the jerseys, like going out of high school, I had a bunch of jerseys, and I had like one authentic jersey. That thing was fresh.

Speaker 1 The rest of them was the replicas with a little screen printed on it. I had like a...

Speaker 1 I had a red tiki barber that I thought was cold because it was red. It's like, what are you doing with a tiki? Like, he was not like an exciting player.
He's a good player.

Speaker 1 But, like, I had a tiki barber jersey on. It's just because

Speaker 1 colors.

Speaker 1 The more niche the player, the more respect you got. You know, like, I had a

Speaker 1 Joe Jeravicious. Check me, my boy.
You see me out here shining?

Speaker 1 Joe Jeravicious.

Speaker 1 Hawk, what's the best compliment you receive from an opponent? You're cute.

Speaker 1 You're a good-looking guy.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Did it come from a handsome dude? Huh? Nah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't remember.

Speaker 1 But you left there feeling good about yourself? Hey, I'm like, hey, man. Did you, were you? I regret this about me, but towards my entire career, I was a get off the field as soon as possible guy.

Speaker 1 Like, I wasn't a hangout, shake hands guy. Win or lose, it was like, game's over.
I'm in there. So, like, that was the time for compliments.

Speaker 1 Like, I would participate in all the trash talk and fighting and the game and that sort of stuff. But the time for like, oh yeah, whatever.
We get up in the offseason, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 I ain't had time for that shit. I went to the locker room.
I didn't go to a big enough school to have enough.

Speaker 1 I think that was probably it. You know what I'm saying? So it's not like guys I grew up playing against in the league.
You know, it was like. Worst Gretkowski.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like nine MAC players, you know. And even then, we probably don't even remember each other because I can't believe you.
Also, since I can't believe, we can't believe you guys.

Speaker 1 You laid the foundation, though. Like, you guys have put guys in the league since.
No, for sure. Now it's all good.
But also, if you're a free agent.

Speaker 1 If you're going in a free agency, that's when you stick around. You go shake every coach's hand.
And you also, it's like they need to know the personality.

Speaker 1 It's almost like combine interviews after every game. No jersey swaps for you? Hell no.
No jersey swaps. That wasn't a thing when that was.
That wasn't a thing in our era. Really?

Speaker 1 Well, at the end of my era. It's a newer thing.

Speaker 1 But you had to be really good back in the day. Back then you had to be good to do it.
There's people like watching the Champions League final in the World Cup, like, hey, let's

Speaker 1 see that. It's always funny watching football players do that because they have to like

Speaker 1 pads. And they're like, all of a sudden, they're completely

Speaker 1 inconvenient to take off. You need somebody to help you yank it off.
and you pay for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say they charge you for it too, right? Celebrity jersey.

Speaker 1 You're talking to the person. You're like, I'm going to spend like 400 bucks on this person.
I don't even know you. I did get denied for a jersey swap.
Oh, really? Yeah, by Steve Smith. Nice.

Speaker 1 Steve Smith. Oh, that's a good one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, nah.

Speaker 1 He just said,

Speaker 1 I thought you asked.

Speaker 1 I thought you made that seem like... I thought you said,

Speaker 1 that was like the positive.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, that's a good one, H. Ice up.
Nah.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Yeah, no.
That went from being awesome to sad. Yeah, no, well, I'm a big Steve Smith fan, as you would imagine, growing up.
And y'all

Speaker 1 played with my brother, and it was like one game I had a really good game against the Ravens, and I just did what you did. I went inside.

Speaker 1 So then we played the Ravens the second time, and in pre-game, he like cussed me out. Like, hey, mother, now I played with your brother.
You don't ever go in without saying what's up with it.

Speaker 1 And he was being dead serious, right? So I'm like, all right, cool. So the next couple of times we played, I dapped up.
And then my last year, it was like, yo, let me, yo, can I get the the jersey?

Speaker 1 And it was like, nah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that is great. But

Speaker 1 I think it was because he had, like, this is what at least I qualified in my mind.

Speaker 1 He had like the special jersey that he made where you had the hand warmer in the jersey. He was like, yeah, no, bro, I'm not.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get another one of these done up.

Speaker 1 And again, at least that's how I qualified it in my mind of why that happens. That's right.
It's impossible to get one of them hand warmer jerseys. Yeah, those are hard to come by.

Speaker 1 Especially in Carolina. It's hot down there.
Yeah, no, it was, you know. They certainly wouldn't make it for Steve Smith or whatever.

Speaker 1 You know, you act like he they told him beginning of the year, you got one. You got one.
Better bleach that. Don't even think about swapping this.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 My favorite Steve Smith clip ever when it was NFL Films, it was a playoff game, and he was just sitting next to Delome. He's like, I'd never liked you as a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Like he was a person, you're fine, but as a quarterback, you're bad. And then Delom's just sitting there like, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think my favorite Steve Smith story ever was that one.

Speaker 1 steve smith's great man we had him on our show a while ago and we were anticipating i guess it was like a year ago or something it is amazing he came on to do scouting reports of nfl draft receivers And then I asked a couple questions and then we ended up having a therapy session.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Charlie, did we just talk about feelings with Steve Smith for an hour?

Speaker 1 It was actually really interesting and incredible, but it wasn't what we were anticipating. Yeah, he talked about parenting, anger management, where he's at in his life right now.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, so you you think Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be the Hall of Famer? Where are we going with this? Baserati Marv.

Speaker 1 That's crazy because he is one of my favorite players ever. Most underrated receiver in NFL history, in my opinion.
Pound for Pound, one of the greatest we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Steve Smith was a guy that

Speaker 1 would, when I played against him, a couple times I played against him, it was he would check you in the first quarter. It's like, what type of game is this going to be?

Speaker 1 Am I going to be able to bully this person? Are they going to fight back? It was a first quarter situation.

Speaker 1 You hit him back he's like all right we can do this but if you don't you are in for it long day for i have an update on the tomlin situation i'm being told that the coach's photo was inside this year because of rain so it could be a rain situation there's no rain on his shirt yeah his shirt's not all right i'm just like you know there's some people just look at that man just making sure just don't want to i don't want to be calling him sweaty if it's because of rain well to hawk's point is 37 degrees today in pittsburgh like he's not coming from yeah

Speaker 1 60 degree difference. Plus, that looks like a schwitz.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. But it's not on his shirt either, much like the rain isn't on his shirt.
I was looking for sweat remnants dripping down that. That shirt certainly looks like it would pick up the sweat.

Speaker 1 It looks like it also could have been in the rain that shirt. The rain doesn't like...
Rain doesn't sit on the face. It doesn't like that way.
You don't wipe rain. Oh, you don't.

Speaker 1 You don't wipe up the rain. And he's not standing outside with his mouth open wide.
When the rain's falling down, you turn your head down.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The upward wipe. Yeah, that is not with that's never been

Speaker 1 with sweat. You know what he needs.
He needs a tailor. He's the headband.
He needs a tailor headband.

Speaker 1 There we go. We got to send him.

Speaker 1 So this man got on a Nike. He got on Nike shorts, Nike shirt, and what's that? Kmart? Generic headband? You don't even got a check? No check.

Speaker 1 They was like, so they said, yes, you can have the uniform, Taylor. You got to go find your own headband, man.

Speaker 1 And he's not sweating at all.

Speaker 1 Mike hell of a point who's sitting down is sweating way more than taylor who is running maybe up to 800 meters mike tommin will beat taylor in a race today

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