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This is the Dan Labatar show with the Stu Gotts podcast.

So I don't know if you're aware, but today is a big news day.

This is a big news day because we had to respond here.

We had to respond on the Dan Labatar show with Stu Gotts.

Hello.

Because on the New Heights podcast.

Yeah.

Do I have the name right?

Is that how they say it?

I think so, yeah.

That's the right inflection.

New Heights.

On the New Heights.

Maybe they've been saying it wrong.

On the New Heights podcast.

Yes.

They have Taylor Swift on today.

Tay Tay.

That's a pretty good get.

And so, in turn, we had to respond as well.

And that response comes in the form of one Stu Gots on.

Hello.

Hello, StuGots.

We got the guy whose name is on the show.

Hello, Stu Gotts.

Good morning.

Good to see you.

It's a big get by you, Zaslow.

That's a good, that's what the producers call.

That's a good poll.

He felt like it today.

I did.

I came here.

I woke up this morning and I said, ah, I'm going to come in, do a show.

And here I am.

How do you feel?

How you doing?

It's good to see you.

I feel great.

I do.

It's good to see you.

Thank you for allowing me on your program.

I appreciate it.

My program.

Your hair looks fantastic.

I was having a very interesting conversation with you right before we turned on the mics here.

Yeah, we were talking about your kids at Zaszlo.

Well, like, because

Stu Gots and I haven't seen each other in a while, and so he does the whole, hey, you know, how are the obligatory?

How are the kids doing?

It was not obligatory.

I was asking you sincerely, how's the family doing?

Turned into Poppy.

How's the family?

How's the family?

But Zaszlo, I believe one of his kids has arrived at an age where the kid wants nothing to do with Zaszlo, nothing to to do with the parents, doesn't want to be home.

And if the kid doesn't get his way, he'll just take the keys of the car and drive away.

So that happened last night for the first time in the Zaszlo mansion.

You need to slap this kid upside the head.

I mean, he's just running around doing whatever the hell he wants.

Like, you claim that he stepped to you and you won that battle.

Well, that's true.

And he's.

Yeah, it's true.

He bought tickets to go to a UFC fight across state lines.

He's just up and leaving the house when he doesn't like you.

Like, what is going on in this Lazzo family manner?

So Stugat says to me, you know, are you in a place where he, you know, he doesn't want anything to do with you?

And I said, you know, us.

I said, yeah, pretty much.

But last night we had a blow up.

Like, last night was a first, all right?

And that was him just up and leaving.

Up and leaving in a huff.

No subject?

Is that too much information if we get the subject?

Well, no.

So what happened?

So my older son is 16, all right?

He drives, got his own car, okay?

And...

it's your car, though.

I mean, well, I mean, I paid for it, but like, when it's your car household, he has his own car.

Yes, technically, yes, I pay for it.

It's under my name, it's my car.

It's a three-car household.

Yeah.

But we have a three, it's a three-car household.

He has his own car.

You call and you report that's stolen.

Like, call the cops, say, someone stole a car from my car.

Send your kid to jail.

Exactly right.

And matter of fact, I can track it.

I'm going to tell you exactly where this car is.

I don't know who it is.

One of the youths from around the block.

One of them youths.

Same last name as me, too.

The Tuquat.

The Tuquat.

So, so we he got home yesterday, and he's in it.

He's in that teenage mood, you know?

The mood where you know what I'm talking about.

I know the mood.

Where he just doesn't want to be around anyone and just sits in a dark room by himself, doom scrolling, all right?

Just staring at the phone and just being

miserable.

Wow.

It doesn't get much better around 40, kid.

And so, and all my wife and I want to do, we just want to like, we just want to talk and be around you.

And, and I don't know.

He's done talking.

He's done talking to you.

He's done being around you.

Right.

He's done with all of it.

And so, so then finally, one of us shouted at him, if this is what you're going to be like, then we don't want you here.

Okay.

And so, of course, what's that?

Oh, you don't want me here?

I'm leaving.

And like, that's exactly what happened.

He got you, right?

Yeah, right, right.

He showed us.

He took us.

He's like, where are you going?

He goes, well, you don't want me.

I'm leaving.

And he up and left.

And so we had this.

And then my wife is like, she's all hysterical now.

And

Jonathan,

what should we do?

She talks like you.

Did you tell?

It's odd.

Did you tell White Tamara?

He's probably just driving around the block a few times.

Where is he going to go?

As somebody who had,

you're bringing me back right now to the, I'm fighting with my parents.

I'm just leaving.

Don't have anywhere anywhere to go.

He went to a fast food restaurant.

Yeah, that's exactly where I went to, but it's the only place where you're allowed to go.

I like the idea of like the Zaszlo Manor.

Everyone has the same man.

Mansion.

I'm sorry.

Zaszlo Mansion.

Everyone has the exact same cadence.

They all talk like that.

Guess what?

We're going to go to our in-laws.

I'd leave that house too.

I mean,

you're a thousand percent right because about five minutes later, you know, we have the apps where you could check where they're going.

Little Life360.

Exactly.

That's what we have.

Great app, okay?

And we check the app like five, ten minutes later, and we can clearly see he's in the drive-thru, a tuck of gorge.

I knew it.

Smoking pot, giving moss.

Kids haven't changed.

Right, if it was anything like me, you know, we're parked at the local fast food place and we're lighting up a bowl, okay?

Well, that's what he's doing, too.

I don't think that that's what he was doing.

Once again, it doesn't get much better at 40.

But my wife's just like, what are we doing?

Really?

I don't know.

I don't have the handbook of how to deal with this.

She kept asking me for answers.

I don't have the answers.

You're the head of the household.

You're supposed to have the answers, man.

She looks to you to have the answers.

Have an answer.

Pick up an answer.

Right.

It's pretty obvious that when you've got the Life 360, you can pretty much monitor him.

There's so much less to worry about.

And if you let him think he's living.

Yeah.

What were our parents doing?

Because you're 100% right about that.

Like when I left in a huff or like chris just said he left in a huff and and although chris's age you probably had a cell phone i didn't have a cell phone at that time there was no like tracking people though i don't believe right right but like when i left in a huff and certainly stu gotts when you left your house no cell phones no cell phone definitely no internet no apps no life 360 none of that bullshit like how did our parents not freak out in our age and i believe stu can can confirm this with me people in the streets knew you were a one a runaway because I took all my clothes and put it in one blanket and then put it on the end of a stick people didn't actually put that over my that was just me I did it no that was just me that's how people knew you were a runaway it's almost like hitchhiking without having to put your thumb up hey I need a place to stay I dreamed of doing that so many times as a kid what an odd dream seriously gotta have a strong stick no just how like what stick do you use Oh, you gotta get a good branch.

You gotta go to the yard.

You gotta start, well.

In my family, you gotta start thinking about which one of these will my dad have used to whack me on the ass.

I'm going to take that one away.

Yeah, it's

whole nother topic.

We can talk about it after.

How long was your picking on off-air?

Well,

I fell asleep.

You were really worried.

See, that's another thing.

Chase, that kid.

Text them, can you bring me back a Taco Bell Crunch wraps up, please?

I'll get back to answering Billy's question there, but that's another thing.

I don't understand the parents, probably our parents when we were young, how they stay up in the living room and they wait for you to get home.

Right.

I always fall asleep.

My dad would tell me back in the old days with no cell phones, there was a parenting network.

Like my parents knew where I was at all times.

I'm telling you.

Like they had a network of parents and someone was in charge of tracking where all the kids were.

So they knew, or at least they claimed that they knew.

So.

I like the idea of Zaz sitting there waiting for his son, like having the arguments in his head and then just kind kind of falling asleep.

And as soon as he hears something, he's like, oh, he'll never do this again.

Pops up arguing.

No, no, I don't fall asleep trying to wait up in the living room.

I'm not even attempting to.

I go to bed.

Like, under a blanket.

Yeah, like comfortable.

So definitely.

Normally in bed.

But I keep the ringer on my phone.

I keep it on.

Okay, if he needs me.

What about the text, though?

I keep that on, too.

Wow.

Yeah, I keep.

Well, no, I keep it on for.

You could set on the app, you know, certain people.

You could have the sound off and sounds on for those people.

Yes.

Yeah, you're not getting the alerts for the hockey channel.

No, no, no.

That would keep me up all night.

So back to Billy's very important question.

I woke up randomly at like three in the morning, and I rolled over and I checked my phone to make sure my son came home, you know?

So

he came home around one.

When did he leave?

Maybe like nine?

Wow.

Wow.

Jesus.

We're going to have to check his cell phone activity.

Where was he exactly for those several hours?

Do you have an alarm?

Mm-hmm.

Do I have an alarm?

Yeah,

my phone has an alarm for my house.

Oh, oh, yes, of course.

So, like, I upset him.

Was the alarm on off?

Because, like, I would turn it on.

So when he gets home, set it off.

Or how handy are you?

And then the cops come and take him to prison.

Yeah, how handy are you?

Well, I'm Jewish, so the answer to that is self-explanatory.

But

he has the security features on his phone.

You turn it off when you're coming home.

I think what you do next time, do you feel like this is going to be something we go through again?

I feel like he's going to up the answer.

Yeah, this is not what I'm saying.

That's what happened again.

This is what I think you do.

Go to the Home Depot or the Lowe's or one of those and you buy a new lock.

And the next time this brat decides I'm going to go home and I'm going to show my parents, you literally change the lock on the door and then see how long before he realizes like, oh,

I'm not welcome in this house anymore.

Then he takes the rails.

The trains.

He gets on a train and he goes off somewhere else.

I knew what you meant.

With his bindle.

You know that Dennis the Menace the movie have you seen the movie Dennis the Menace yeah sure Christopher Lloyd where he was someone who was you know riding the rail under that bridge that really took the dream that Izzy had of being a stowaway on a train away from me real quick I was like you know what I do not want to just be hopping on random trains and running away because there's Christopher Lloyd's of the world out there doing that that is a good movie to discourage running away yeah do you think dennis menace holds up these days i haven't seen in a while probably not walter mathow doesn't i believe he was the grumpy guy right you know there's a difference between

and a manor

yeah man i i didn't know what the difference a mansion has opulence yeah a manor has multiple mansions on it yeah it's like the main house you want a manor not a mansion you do want a manor already been through this yeah man i'm a mansion kind of guy standalone home it's a mansion but a standalone mansion

for rich

I want my opulence, dog.

But you have opulence with a manor, too.

You also have more land.

All right, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to litigate this with you.

I'm more impressed if I'm pulling up to a manor than I am if I'm pulling up to a manor.

As you should be.

It's a compound.

Have you talked to this kid again since last night?

Like when you woke up, did you see him?

No, he's a teenager.

There's no way he was awake when I left the house.

I don't know.

It's cool.

No, no, no, they're in private school.

They haven't started yet.

Question.

You said that you were less

upset than White Tamara, but yet you were the one on the couch.

Was she comfortably sleeping in the middle of the morning?

No, I wasn't on the couch.

We both went to sleep.

We like, we

neither of you care.

We don't stay up like that.

Well, why do I need to stay up?

Why do I need to stay up and stare?

Like I said, I got features on my phone, man.

When your son comes home and nobody's waiting for him, he's like, they never gave a shit about me to begin with.

Right.

Well, we already told him, you know, if this is your attitude, we don't want you here.

Like, we already established.

Who said get out?

White or your wife?

My wife.

Wow.

Yeah.

Oh, boy.

But then she was the most upset when he finally did leave.

But Izzy is right.

When your kid runs away and then comes home right you have to be someone needs to be standing at the door waiting for the kid it's intimidating you need to do it i mean you used to do that like no sitcom music in the background just like oh okay now now we know it's the time to discuss this and then settle our situation and then we both go to bed calmly yeah Look, every football game is a grind.

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Don Lebatard.

I had Rachel and Emma both home, and I was in a fight with Rachel.

And I said, if you roll your eyes one more time, there's going to be a problem.

A big problem.

And she said, really?

What are you going to do?

Stugats.

Oh, goddamn.

I mean, that's where she.

I didn't have an answer.

This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

I was a good parent, Saslo.

My kids never ran away.

You were?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm not parenting anymore.

They're adults.

I mean, I'm done.

It's over.

Yeah, it's over.

I did it.

I think, and you're probably not going to like this answer.

You got to give up on this kid.

This kid's a lost cause and just focus on the other ones.

Move on.

Yeah, we don't have the same issue with number two.

Just drive into like a farm and open the door and take kids free.

No, no, it is what it is.

He's 16, you said.

I mean,

he'll be around for two more years.

Stop talking to me.

Exactly right.

Yeah.

I mean, you're just, okay, we do what we can.

Sorry, lost cause.

We're going to focus on your brother now.

We love him more than you.

Finished product.

He's like, bam, out of bio.

You know what he is.

Right.

So how do I handle it when I get home today?

Start calling him a drees.

I mean, you're assuming that when you get home, the lock's not going to be changed.

It sounds like this kid runs the household, honestly.

He does whatever he wants.

I think when you get home, you basically just start questioning every time he does something.

He goes to the freezer for an uncrustable.

just like, hey, hey, if you're not living here, those aren't yours.

If he goes to like fine and go wash his hands, they're like, what are you talking about?

People who don't have houses don't have running water to buy water.

He just started doing that over and over again.

He's like, fine, dad, I get it.

So you want me to ride him?

Like, I'm going to keep this going.

Yes.

It seems like it'll probably make things worse, but you got to.

We've already given up on him.

Make him pay rent.

I'm with Billy.

Ignore him.

Move on.

Buy something really cool for your other son.

Just show him that this is what happens when you behave.

Oh, take your your other son to the UFC fight he wanted to go to.

Well, I did take my other son to SummerSlam last week and take the older one.

That's because the older one didn't want to go, though.

That's fair.

The older one's not really interested.

He didn't want to go with you.

You know what you should do?

Say in the Zaslow mansion, no more Arab fighters.

You know what Stu Gots did?

Put it on the door in front so everybody knows when they come in.

We're starting a whole lot of Arabs.

To the audience just joining us, there is context.

Yes.

His son loves the Arab fighters.

Yeah, his son's an asshole.

So Stugatz did suggest before as well, have you thought about grounding him?

Yeah.

And then I said, like, I don't know, maybe this is like a new generation type of thing.

I told him, like, we've never been a grounding family.

Like, I don't think we've ever actually grounded him.

There's your problem.

Well, it's very obvious.

I mean, well, Stugatz, like, did you ground him?

I was grounded.

I never grounded my daughters.

So, again, we were good parents.

we had no reason to i don't know why you keep saying we were good parents i mean my kids aren't taking the keys and leaving a conversation and coming back at 1 a.m not happening but you never grounded them you never grounded don't you have one child on the other side of the planet right now uh australia she's back uh she was at bondi beach studying for a weekend yeah but uh studying for a weekend it wasn't a week

a semester

thank you she actually studied for what you know for a weekend for two days the rest of the time she party

several months gotcha gotcha partying not studying yeah gotza's parental strategy is out of sight out of mind send him away

like chris were you ever grounded growing up i remember my mom being very mad at me a lot but i don't remember actually very mad at me a lot but never grounded i can remember i can picture my mom being upset with me but there was never like you're grounded for two weeks oh yeah i'm not asking like did you ever like were you never in share i never that's what i mean like i don't know to answer your question no i can't remember getting specifically grounded i can't picture greg cody being a hard ass oh no my mom the hard ass Are we still grounding kids?

Is that right now for me?

It's the tablet.

If you do something,

you have no, you can just go in your room and you can color.

I think I already established with you it was a stick or belt to the ass.

Coloring is a punishment these days.

Yeah, you actually just like make them do things with other human beings.

You can't.

And that's the punishment.

No electronics.

You need to be a normal person.

You have to go outside and play with other kids.

I'm serious, though.

That is the big punishment these days.

If I say you're going to lose your tablet, she will do whatever I say.

We're talking about a different age group here, though.

This is what I'm dealing with.

Yeah, but he's 16, and Zazlo's not gonna take his phone or his computer.

The kid doesn't care if he does.

Oh, well, that's a great example because one of the things that we did last night was because he

didn't love his attitude, my wife turned off like the features on his phone.

You know, she can control that because of the family's sharing or whatever.

And okay, that obviously expedited the whole him, I'm leaving situation.

And then what happened was he left, and I got to check the light 360 because I want to see where he is.

But guess what?

it's off because she turned off the features so then I got to tell my wife you got to turn the features back on so I can keep track of him you can't just turn on the one individual feature look you're asking me questions I don't have all the answers to I'm just telling you what I know can you text your son and ask him what particular feature got him so heated that he didn't have anymore that he was willing to move away from his parents why we get him on let's snapchat instead of you doing this just bring your kid on and we'll do like a family therapy here I think it's the snapchat That's the thing that the teenagers are like in love with these days.

What happened with Snapchat?

Like, still cooking.

Yeah, younger people still like it.

But it's, did it, like, go out of style and then come back with younger people?

I feel like Snapchat started and we moved away from it, but it's still a thing with younger people.

I think that's how the teenagers text.

I don't think they use the actual texting on the phone.

I think they all text, they message the Snapchats.

That's how they say nudes.

Like, if someone cares so much what you're thinking that you need to send it in, like, disappearing Snapchat, no one gives a shit about your high school drama losers.

Get a life.

I don't know, man.

Anyway, that's what I got going on.

Good to see you, Stu Gots.

Good to see you, Zaslow.

I'm glad the family stuff's going well.

Well, it didn't help you at all.

You still don't have a strategy for what you got to do.

I'll have an update tomorrow.

Like, I'm here all the time.

But what are you going to do?

You know what you're going to do?

No, I have some time.

I just surveyed the room.

You guys were not much help, and I got to figure out what to do now.

I've got to figure it out on your own, man.

I mean...

Do you think your kid is expecting some sort of conversation when you get home today?

Well, I think he's probably praying there's not, right?

But he thinks there probably is, right?

I don't know.

Because he's going to avoid you the entire day.

Oh, yeah.

Like, I'm going to get home and he's going to be in the exact same position he was in yesterday afternoon when we got mad at him.

That's for sure.

Right.

Well, either that or he'll be smoking pot in an alley somewhere.

I mean, what's today?

He just, he's home?

Like, he's just home all day?

Yeah, he's not working.

Until Zaslow gets home.

Is he listening to this?

No, no.

Okay, so that's another thing.

You think that he'd be listening?

No,

my kids don't care.

They don't care that I'm on the radio or podcast or Peacock.

The younger one cares?

No, not really.

They don't think it's a big deal.

It's not a big deal to them because you've done it your whole life, right?

You've been on the radio.

You've been on TV.

It's so not impressive.

It's so dad's job.

Yeah, it's so not.

Oh, they like it when we're sitting, you know, ringside at SummerSlam, but otherwise, it's not.

It's not benefits them, right?

Right.

It's not impressive to them.

Yeah.

Stu, do your daughters, it doesn't really matter to them that you were on ESPN on the air because it's all they know.

It's all they know.

At the time,

the first few times we were at ESPN, it was a big deal to them because it was such a big deal to me.

But after that, after a couple of weeks, it was just, it became, became normal to them, you know?

So, not impressed.

It's hard to impress your kids, man.

God, kids.

They humble you.

They kind of suck.

So Taylor Swift was really on that podcast, huh?

Well, I think she's going to be on tonight.

It's tomorrow.

Wednesday, I thought it said.

Tomorrow.

Jason's got a new coat.

Who?

None, I'm not talking about a jacket.

So we countered, though, I think, in a very big way.

Like, it's quite possible the Kelsey brothers, like, this Dan Lebatt show and Stu Gotts, they're climbing too far up the shorts.

They've been looking at the charts.

They're like, we need something.

Call Taylor in.

And we called in the reserves and we brought in Stu Gotts.

They brought in a lefty hitter.

We're bringing in our lefty position.

Stu, you're friendly with Travis a little bit.

Yeah.

Is this going to be his last season?

Feels that way, no?

He's not going to tell me.

I mean, I'm just going to act like he would, though.

Yeah, I'm asking you as someone that knows him better than anyone else in the room to make a

last season.

I don't.

This is where you'd be like, I talked to him last week.

He's not sure.

Nah, I talked to him in Tahoe.

Yeah, you're taking games.

He goes for a photo.

Yeah, but you know how Tahoe goes, Mike.

Like, you'll say anything.

You're in a good mood.

The weather's beautiful.

You're about to play golf.

I got the sense he was going to play five more years when I talked to him.

I know how it goes for you.

But then I also realize we're in Tahoe and people just say stuff.

Yeah, it's all just chit-chat.

Yeah, so five more years.

I don't expect a whole lot out of him this year, if we're being serious for a moment.

Like, I subscribe to the theory of

once you start thinking about the retiring, I feel like you're retired?

Yeah, I feel like you're like, that's probably the time.

Like, remember, this was a conversation at the end of the Super Bowl last year.

This was a real thing that he might retire.

He decided, no, I'm still going to play.

And it's also coming off, obviously, like his least productive year, I think, since his rookie season.

I think once you start thinking that way, I think you're kind of dumb.

He has big-time Hollywood aspirations, too, taking a ton of meetings around town.

Everyone knows it.

He was good in Happy Gilmore.

He was very good.

I liked him.

I got to tell you, the window for me to watch this movie is probably closed.

There are too many people saying that it's really, really bad.

Not worth it.

Not worth it.

He was good, though.

I want to see the camera.

What do you mean, not worth it?

Like, he doesn't have an hour and a half in his life.

It's not worth the hour and a half.

I genuinely, like, if I'm going to spend an hour and a half of my life on a movie, I want it to be like one that's not bad.

I started watching that Jurassic Park, the new one.

I liked it.

It's good, right?

I fell asleep twice.

Same movie, you know.

Stu, when you were in Tahoe talking to Travis Kelsey, are you sure it wasn't Jonas Valentunis?

It could have been.

Hey, it's Mike Ryan.

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Don Lebatard.

Mike Ryan's in there, and he's the one with a baby.

He's the one who's got to like worry about what the future is.

And Mike Ryan bet on DraftKings because Mike Ryan bet on us.

This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on?

Putting up a billboard in Edmonton?

Stugats.

I care more about Matthew Kachuck than I do my daughter.

This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Well, if you had your alerts on the hockey chats as

while your son ran away from home, we're buzzing a little bit.

Matthew Kachuck is playing the long con.

So I saw this, Stew Gotts.

I saw this yesterday.

I don't know if you did.

Matthew Kachuk plays the Panthers.

Panthers back to back Stanley Cup James.

I don't know if you know that.

And Matthew Matthew Kachuck is...

He had hernia

and torn adductor.

Those are very serious injuries.

Played through it like a champ.

Yeah.

That's a winner right there.

Adductor or adductor?

Whatever I said is what it is.

You're a doctor.

I'm sorry.

Say it again, though.

I didn't hear it.

He tore that during the fight.

Torn adductor.

Adductor.

We all knew that he got injured at the Four Nations.

What we didn't know is that he tore his adductor.

That was for you, Z.

That was.

Adductor.

that he tore it in the fight.

He dropped gloves in the first few seconds of that game against Canada in Montreal.

And then he played through

peaks and valleys when it came to his playoff performance, but had a good Stanley Cup, especially as that series got more.

It felt like he got healthier throughout the playoffs.

Like, he obviously started, remember the first postseason game against Tampa, he had the two goals, like, oh my God, Chucky, I love you so much.

And then he was pretty quiet for like two rounds.

But then Eastern finals, and especially at Stanley Cup final, he was awesome again.

He tore that adductor off the bone it's something that's reportedly going to need surgery he's playing the long con right now because he still has not gotten the surgery right so he spoke with espn's greg waszinski yesterday where he he's still undecided stu gotta what he's going to do if he's going to have the surgery if he has the surgery it's going to cost him between two and three months right so it's like if he had the surgery Now, let's say three months, we're talking being out till maybe the beginning of December.

I mean, that's a con.

Yeah, but that's, well, it's a long con because he's going to be out for the entire regular season, just play towards the end of the regular season, into the postseason.

Do the Panthers really need him during the regular season?

Well, I mean, they showed that they could play well without him towards the tail end of the season.

After the Four Nations, we didn't see him again to the playoffs, but here's why it's a long con.

You hold out from the surgery because of that recovery time.

Even though the NHL is going to eventually do away with a long-term IRA.

Pay attention here, Sugats.

This is why it's very important.

They're going to do away with a long-term IR.

That doesn't take into effect this season.

So So Florida is going to manipulate the rules in their favor.

Have them have surgery as close to the start of the season as you can, and you get to extend that recovery time, and you get to make evaluations on your roster.

It's because of this that you haven't traded someone like Evan Rodriguez.

Because if Matthew Kachuck is on this active roster, the Florida Panthers are over the salary cap.

By like three some odd million dollars, which in hockey is actually a lot.

So the question would be like, well, if you're going to end up trading Evan Rodriguez, why not trade him, you know, at the start of the season if you still need to make this move with Matthew Kachuck?

Here's why you don't do that move.

Here's why it benefits the Florida Panthers for Matthew Kachuck to put this surgery off.

Someone else can get hurt.

It's hockey, very physical sport, as we know.

And you also have essentially three and a half months of data points that you can take into account and see, is it going to be Evan Rodriguez?

Is it going to be somebody else

whose form is not up to snuff here?

We can evaluate this season as it goes on.

So Florida's doing the smart thing here.

And Matthew Kachuk, even though it seems counterintuitive, is wise in putting off this surgery as long as possible so Florida has the most flexibility.

And before people start calling it the Kachuk rule after next year and saying, oh, the Panthers, those assholes, they did it.

Can you tell them who did it against us the last few years?

Kucharov, Stone.

Yeah,

Vegas did it a ton.

Look, Florida,

it's fair.

I complained about those teams.

I think fair is the thing that I like.

I don't know.

It's within the rules.

It's fair.

I didn't like it.

We went into a Stanley Cup against a very loaded Vegas Golden Knight team.

We were not using the long-term IR.

They were.

They were loaded.

They were super deep because they used this.

Tampa, we all know what happened there when they eliminated Florida.

We all know what happened last couple years, took out us.

Florida got to say we won a Stanley Cup without using this rule last year.

I mean, two years ago.

Last year, they used it, and we're going to remain consistent over here.

I don't like it when teams abuse this loophole, but it's going to be a loophole, and Florida's already gone through that threshold.

So they're going to to abuse it as long as they can now.

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

You don't like it when it's done to you, but if you're doing it, you're fine.

I'm not fine.

I'm going to be consistent.

I'm with you, by the way.

I don't like it.

And if other teams want to criticize, they can criticize Florida.

I think the dirty stuff is a little played out, but they can criticize Florida for abusing long-term IR.

They can criticize Aaron Ekblad for the performance-enhancing drugs.

Those things are fair game.

And Florida did kind of, for the first time, in my opinion, really leaned into the black hat that the rest of the league, their fans and the media, put on them years ago where I thought it was unfair before.

Now it's justified.

So you think that the reason that he hasn't had the surgery, because the first thing that comes to mind for me is

the season ended.

You won the Stanley Cup in the middle of June.

That was two months ago.

Why haven't we had the surgery yet?

Like, I'd like you to be healthy and ready for the start of the season.

He played golf in Lake Tahoe, too.

Normally, those are things fans get mad at.

Right.

Like, you're delaying surgery to play golf.

Get ready for next season.

Like, that was a Shaq move all the time.

Remember, Shaq,

he had the surgery on his big toe like the day before training camp.

So it's like, well, the whole summer, you know?

So that's the first thing that came to mind for me is I wish you would have done it already.

You'd be almost completely recovered.

But you're saying you think this is actually a coordinated effort with the team.

Yes, Florida has capable wingers that come in.

Look, Matthew Kachuck, despite his gritty reputation, and that's well learned, defensively, he's not like the rest of the forwards on the Florida Panthers.

He's one of the slowest players in the league.

So if you put in an offensive-minded winger like Boquist or Samsukiewicz, they're going to produce.

They've proven, whether it's on line two, whether it's on line three, they're going to go in there.

If they get the ice time, they put up points because they're surrounded by good players.

Normally, it would sound counterintuitive to start a season without one of your best players in Matthew Kachuck.

Without the guy who changed the entire trajectory of your franchise.

It benefits them for this point in their...

their franchise timeline for him to get this surgery later so they can keep this core together for even if it's just a few more months.

How do you envision that going down, that conversation?

Are the Panthers telling Matthew Kachuck, hey, delay it?

Hey, we can't get you a doctor till mid-August.

This was plotted out the second he got hurt.

Well, but like, what if Ka-Chuck said to them, yeah, like, I hear what you're saying, but I really like playing hockey, right?

That he's within his rights to do that, but I think he's a team player.

He changed the franchise.

This is all coordinated with Kachuck, his reps, and Florida wanted it.

And look, it was very important to Matthew Kachuck for us to re-sign the guys that we did.

That math does not math.

If Matthew Kachuck is on the roster day one, you're going to have to say goodbye.

You're going to have to kick some guys out of the group chat.

And this is a type group of guys, and they don't seem ready to kick anybody out of the group chat right now.

Do you know who this was not coordinated with?

Probably.

The folks at EA Sports.

Their cover athletes going to be out all year long.

Ooh, probably not.

We're already cursed with a cover athlete.

So the part that I don't want to say this part bothers me because,

like, that team's not going to be able to do anything to bother me with the joy they've given me these last few years.

But I don't, so there is something to be said for: hey, it's most important to have him healthy for the playoffs.

And maybe if he misses the first two, maybe three months of the season, he'll not only be healthy, but he will be somewhat rested, you know, by the time the playoffs roll around.

And that's obviously what's most important because we're trying to win a Stanley Cup.

And all of that makes sense.

But I also don't want to become the team that only cares about the destination because the journey to me is extremely enjoyable still.

Like I don't want

to be the playoffs.

I want the whole season to matter.

But the journey is hard, Zazzlo, and they've done it two years in a row and they played more hockey games than they were.

Well, we could essentially say three.

They've been there three years.

And they've been there three years in a row.

So why not take some shortcuts when you can?

And this is a shortcut.

And good for Kachuck.

The Panthers will be fine without him during the regular season.

And even if they aren't, if they go in as a four-seed or a five-seed like they did this year, they're still going to be the favorites probably as long long as Kachuk is healthy to win the cops.

They weren't the favorites entering last season because they got hurt.

Matthew Kachuk was out.

People were doubting.

I think by the time Puck Drop started on the first playoff game, Carolina was a favorite out east.

I don't know if they're the favorite right now.

We can check the odds on DraftKings, but I don't think they are.

I think they're second.

You have to keep in mind, they play in a very difficult division.

This is one of the toughest divisions

in hockey, if not the most difficult division in hockey.

It's very within the realm of possibility that without Matthew Kachuk, they don't finish top three in a division in which teams get a massive boatload of points compared to some of the other divisions.

It's why Carolina baked into their team plans is we have a much weaker division.

If we just improve on this core, we have a path to the Eastern Conference Finals.

And then they get tricked into thinking they're a lot better than they actually are.

Florida can have a tougher path, but luckily this franchise has shown you in back-to-back years, they can do it with home ice and they can do it without ever having home ice.

My biggest question on the team is how long do we get this version of Bob?

Because when that starts to slide, then I don't know what it looks like.

I mean, there's no real reason to believe that it's dropping off yet.

Why would you think that?

He does take a look at the game.

How old is he?

He's 37, I think.

I guess what you hang your hat on is this postseason run was the best version of Bob throughout their two previous.

He started a little slow, and then after the start, it was unbelievable.

It was kind of nuts.

Bob's part in this whole run here.

Florida made the playoffs that first year as an eighth seed when they made it to the Stanley Cup Final only to eventually lose to Vegas.

He was benched.

Yep.

Alex Lyon.

He was not the starter at the beginning of the postseason.

Alex Lyon got

two days ago.

Got Florida into the playoffs, and Bob had to reclaim his job

during that postseason.

Well, they went down three games to, or I think they were down 2-1 at the time, and then they went to Bobrovsky.

And of course, they came back and they beat Bob.

Kind of nuts considering where we are here.

He's certainly a Hall of Famer, and he's going to have his jersey retired by this franchise.

They make that initial run, they get proof of concept because they benched him.

Jeremy's also here today.

Hello, Jeremy.

Hey, Zaz.

Jeremy, you were out yesterday.

Did you hear anything that you were not into yesterday, you had a problem with that you want to get your thoughts in on?

Yeah, some things that I had an issue with, but other things that I thought were really great.

So I do have a top five topics from yesterday to respond to.

So OLI.

We sounded really, really old.

Posting to Facebook and coming together.

Well, I mean, that's what's wrong with that.

It was a Greg Cody Monday, right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Well, Facebook's too young for Greg Cody, but just, you know, Facebook's not the place for those first day of school photos anymore.

Just call it Facebook.

Asking Greg if he would date Chris.

We acted like...

That was not the question.

It was more, is he your tie?

Hey, actually, I'm not criticizing it.

I'm saying it's actually a pretty normal question.

In fact, the president of the United States has said he would date his daughter if it wasn't his daughter.

So, moving on, another

lie.

What was the conversation you guys had about deli meat?

Ah, boar's head.

Really, really great discussion.

You got to go up to the deli counter, ask for thinly sliced.

That gets exactly where you guys want it to be between like that shredded deli meat and way too thick from just buying the pre-packaged one.

Number five, criticisms of Greg.

10 minutes apart, you guys got mad at Greg for not lying about a story with Tim Bowens and making up details, and then 10 minutes later got mad at him for making up a story with details about umpiring.

Be consistent, guys.

Come on, if you're going to criticize Greg, do the things that actually should be criticized.

Fallacy and falsehoods.

Number four.

This is why we got mad at Greg.

He didn't give us anything on the Tim Bowens story.

It was so annoying yesterday.

Number four,

the audience's favorite topics.

Really glad we talked about WWE and TV rights again.

Fair.

Really glad we did that one.

Number three, Ethan.

That was mad.

I cannot believe you.

Jeremy on that one?

You're right.

I can't believe you guys fell for the ruse of him caring about his dog.

All he wanted was to be on this show.

You know how I know that?

I've been him before.

Number two.

He probably tore the ACL himself.

I actually had that hypothetical question

before the show today.

I asked the room while you were out.

I said, if Ethan knew he was going to speak so much on air, do you think he would have injured his dog sooner?

100%.

100%.

Number two, you guys didn't know there were dildos at CVS?

No,

nobody knows.

He's got them toes.

Yeah, man.

You knew that?

Nice.

Oh, my God.

He knows.

Who doesn't?

Number one, Juju's best idea.

You guys totally blew past this one in the post-game show.

The idea of giving winners of a championship not just the big gaudy championship ring that they could leave in their home on display, but essentially a wedding band that's engraved with the team name and the year in which they win.

You could even engrave it maybe with the gem that's that's the color of the team.

I thought that was an unbelievable idea, and you guys just blew right past it.

Like the Ronaldo wedding?

Salute to Juju.

We could just have

toned down.

Jesus.

I'm so glad we went to this.

That is a wedding ring.

Hey, it's Mike Ryan.

Those sprinklers are starting to slowly come up on the football field.

Time that we have with summer is dwindling.

I'm sure you're already doing that thing where you're going through your photo album, flipping through the photos that you've taken this summer, already reminiscing about the good times that you have.

I know I did.

And in many of the pictures that I went back to reminisce over, I had a beautiful white can of Miller light in my hand because I love making good times during the summer a Miller time.

It's a good reminder.

We're losing time on this summer.

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