Hour 1: Biopic or Bi-opic

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So I saw the other day, I think Mike Ryan brought this up, how a social network to, you know, the Facebook movie.

Social network 2, I don't know why I'm looking at you.

You don't know movies.

I've heard of it.

Okay.

You've heard of Facebook?

I've heard of social networks.

Okay.

So the social network, which which starred Jesse Eisenberg as Mark Zuckerberg, Aaron Storkin wrote it.

Aaron Sorkin, I love his movies.

And he used to write TV too.

Great writer.

To bring it back to sports, real quick, Jesse Eisenberg, cousin of Jamie Eisenberg, fantasy football expert on CBS Sports.

That's right, that's right.

So they're coming out with a social network part two.

It's in development.

I don't know if David Fincher is attached to it, did a great job.

That was, as you mentioned, certainly in contention for one of the best opening scenes.

What was the opening scene again?

He's on a date with the lady, and it's just really a way you get to know Zuckerberg while just seeing him on a date.

Usually, opening scene, and they like to slap you over the face with this is this, this is, it's just a great way to set up the whole premise for who this guy is with just him on a date.

He's just being a pompous asshole the whole time to her.

Isn't it Rooney Mara who plays the girlfriend that he breaks up with?

I believe so.

I don't know if she was in the scene.

The only thing that I really remember about that is they established that Zuckerberg is an a-hole, but also White Stripes, Ball and Biscuit playing at the bar the entire time.

It's a great track.

I love that scene.

It's a great scene, but they're talking about developing a social network too now.

Before Facebook?

Well, before, there's a lot of people like, well, that was a great dramatic.

You don't, that was a great dramatic film.

You don't typically see sequels to popular dramatic films.

Why do you think?

Especially when they're based on true stories.

Precisely.

Why do one to this?

Well, I mean, I think Zuckerberg's story only got even more interesting

after

the events of the social network one ended.

Our lives are completely different because of what he created.

Totally reshaped American politics.

Misinformation.

Fascinating stuff there.

But apparently, Jesse Eisenberg isn't attached to the project at the moment.

Doesn't want to do it, which would make perfect sense because he doesn't want to do it.

Doesn't want to do it.

Amazing.

Now you see me part three.

I don't know why he was that.

I didn't want to do it.

This is actually a movie movie that's respected.

Maybe he doesn't want to just be pigeonholed into just being the guy that played Mark Zuckerberg.

I don't think so.

Maybe he doesn't want to just be a pigeonhole as an asshole character because that's kind of what he does anyways on all his movies.

Well,

the replacement for him that's being talked about that is attached to the role of Zuckerberg is someone that would probably be pigeonholed into playing an A-hole as well.

Jeremy Strong.

Oh, great actor.

I would love to see what he does with the role.

It's a guy that played Kendall Roy in succession.

A method method actor that is taken very seriously when he's not doing Dunkin' Donut ads.

But Jeremy Strong attached to this.

I would love to see his interpretation of Zuckerberg in this whole new post-truth world.

Has Jeremy Strong ever starred in a movie?

You know, he didn't get top billing in The Apprentice.

That's his movie.

Playing Roger...

Roger Cohen.

That was...

I don't even know what that is.

Was it Roger Cohen?

Am I confusing him?

I might be complaining it with Roger Stone.

But

yeah,

the attorney that kind of took Donald Trump by the hand and made Donald Trump basically what he is.

That he was phenomenal in that movie.

He's a great.

Is this going to be Aaron Sorkin again, writing the script?

I think Fincher is attached.

I'm not sure if Sorkin is attached to the script.

I'll see anything Aaron Sorkin writes.

Yeah, and you don't think he overdoes it a little bit?

Why?

That the dialogue's unrealistic?

Yeah, sometimes he just gets

a fool Sorkin.

That's the hallmark.

I mean, you love the West Wing, right?

Nobody talks the way all those people in the West Wing do.

You don't get the dizzies when you watch Sorkin?

Because it's so fast.

It's just.

It's just the camera following people in circles type of thing.

It's just human beings don't speak this way.

Correct.

But I mean,

it's a movie.

Yeah, you're watching a movie and you like the way that they speak.

I'm with that, but human beings don't speak the way that they speak in Tarantino movies either.

Correct.

And I like it.

Only Tarantino speaks that way.

And you just kind of sign up for a whole...

I mean, the guy's just pleasuring himself the entire movie, anyways.

Not literally, but, you know.

Gone.

I mean, his movies are very self-indulging.

Greg, is Mike Ryan selling you on Social Network Part 2?

You know what, movies?

Enough with the sequels.

Have a new idea.

I haven't heard this take.

Okay.

Reboot.

I'm tired of sequels.

It's one of, honestly, it's one of the many reasons why I'm not a big movie guy.

Because, you know, it's, don't give me a version of what I've already seen.

Tell me a new story thank you okay but you're saying that as if there is not a plethora of films out there for you to choose from as if the only movies for you to pick are sequels and unoriginal ideas there are millions of funny but but they haven't there hasn't been a sequel that was better than the original since godfather 2 okay that's not true okay name one terminator 2 way better i think that dark night bad boys do i think they've been having problems in movies like especially like in digital movies where people only go see sequels.

Like Disney hasn't had like original movies in a long time.

Like they had this movie Elio come out that no one saw.

But if you have like the Incredibles 3 come out, people would go swarm to see it.

Right, I agree.

And that's the problem.

That's easy money.

The problem with your argument on this particular movie, Greg, is that this was based on a true story, right?

And so there's more to the story that continues.

It's as if we were to see a documentary on LeBron James's career after he was done with the Miami Heat, and and then you never see another documentary about LeBron James ever.

There's a lot more to that story, just like there's a lot more to the Zuckerberg story after Facebook.

Yeah, but Zuckerberg is famous enough and out front enough where it doesn't anybody who's interested already know the story.

So you know all the details of how he came about to Instagram and how it was maybe an issue in his life or how it like blew up.

You know all those details.

Well, I remember seeing and thinking it was okay.

No, get in front of that microphone.

I think I saw a social network.

It's pretty wild that you got in front of the microphone for one second and you were just like right back in.

Petered out.

This might be an old dog, new tricks type of situation.

But I think like the behind-the-scenes lobbying, the...

Yeah, didn't he have to go in front of Congress?

Yeah, speaking in front of Congress, seeing how his life was impacted by that, seeing how he impacted our lives, seeing how behind the scenes, how he manipulates the algorithm to kind of reinforce this age of misinformation.

I think all that would be fascinating.

And if Aaron Sorkin is writing it, then we can guarantee that it would be highly dramatic.

Yeah, but when he's speaking in front of Congress, that's in the news.

I see that on TV.

I know what he said in front of Congress.

I want to know about everything that happened around that.

The dialogue at Facebook, the dialogue with his family.

That kind of stuff is interesting.

Okay.

So if

this isn't an actual documentary, this is more like a depiction or based on true story situation.

Why would Zuckerberg want that if you're just going to kind of like make up what was going on behind the scenes?

He doesn't have a saying who cares.

Well, I'm just saying, like, if you don't actually have access to it and you're like, oh, this is kind of what we think may have happened, like, how's that going to happen?

They research it.

I mean, like, they're fake.

I don't know if Patton was around to give his input on Patton.

Like, they're historians or people that this is all well done.

Yeah, but it's like a documentary and based on a true story are different things.

I don't understand.

Like, this is a dramatic thing.

If it's a scene where it's just Zuckerberg and there's nobody else in the room, yes, you can assume that is entirely fictionalized and they just came up with, but if there's other people in a room, you could imagine they asked people questions.

Hey, what happened here?

What happened here?

What happened here?

Without actually getting the detail by detail from Zuckerberg himself.

Right.

I love biopic.

I understand that there's some creative license that's being taken, but also they're well researched.

I've heard that pronounced biopic as well, which is correct.

They both work.

Biopic.

They both work.

They both work.

Yeah, I used to be like staunch one way or another, but it's kind of like Jif and GIF.

I think biopic is where people who are like trying to be smarter than they really are use.

Whereas, if it's just biopic, you know exactly what the hell it is.

Whereas it's a biopic.

What the hell is a biopic?

And then you go, oh, you mean biopic?

Okay, but they're both acceptable is the biopic.

I think the only reason biopic is acceptable is because smart people said it wrong and said, no, no, that's the way you say it.

What would the majority think, though?

Biopic.

Biopic, actually, biopic.

Well, see, you're going to both sides there.

Yeah.

In other words, it's controversy.

I say biopsy sometimes.

Yeah.

Biopsy.

When it's not that smart.

All right.

There was big news this morning, guys.

What happened?

So last week, you had big news with

WWE

signing their rights deal with ESPN, which we'll circle back to that in a second.

It was a five-year, $1.2 billion deal.

Incredible.

Incredible now, where WWE is now in the same category when it comes to TV rights deals as other sports properties.

Like, that's freaking wild.

The ratings kind of dictate that, and it's kind of, this is what they brought when they brought Nick Kahn to the table, which was a business-minded person that didn't necessarily subscribe to where the establishment would place wrestling, which is always viewed as something silly.

They would all have probably a Greg Cody view of wrestling.

This is all orchestrated, predetermined.

This is not a real sport, but it is a real valuable television property with weekly programming that rates really well with 10-poll monthly benchmarks that get people to tune in.

So it would make sense that it should absolutely.

And if you look at the social media metrics, it's one of the bigger properties on the planet.

But you would agree it's an entertainment more than a sport.

Yes, but it's.

Who's still making the other case?

Like, yeah, like everybody knows that.

No, it's not.

It's not.

You're just talking about it as being comparable to other sports when it comes to TV rights deals.

TV rights deals.

It's athletic.

It's not a sport.

No one's making that argument.

In five years, $1.2 billion.

I mean, it's not what the NBA is getting or what the NFL is getting, but man,

it's in the same category.

And it's fairly limited for essentially just

approximately 12 events a year.

That is an impressive number, but I do think that with framing that number now and where they landed is made more interesting and made a little bit clearer, given that the other big portion of TKO's portfolio just signed a massive deal with Paramount.

So, this was the huge news from this morning, which I don't know that it came out of nowhere.

Like, the WWE SBN deal kind of came out of nowhere.

Once you saw the WWE SBN deal, you kind of knew that this was the next domino.

And so, UFC has signed with Paramount.

It is a seven-year,

seven some-odd-7.7.

$7.7 billion

deal.

So, like, I was thinking to myself, hmm, you know, if WWE got that, I wonder what UFC is going to get in the next one.

Well, UFC is going to get a lot more than what WWE just got, is the answer.

Rightfully so, because UFC, in terms of premium events,

UFC, every weekend.

How much did they used to charge for their pay-per-view.

Yeah, in that neighborhood, like $59.99, $69.99.

But a big part of this deal is apparently the pay-per-view model is is a thing from a bygone era.

UFC, every major card is going to be included with your Paramount Plus subscription.

Now, no more pay-per-view.

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This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

Were those numbers doing well, or were they not doing well?

And so that's why you get rid of the pay-per-view.

I'm not sure.

I don't know how to answer that.

It was a fear that ESPN would charge extra for WWE PLEs because they had established this pay-per-view model.

Which we don't, they're not very clear.

Like, we were, we're still kind of confused.

What are we talking?

Four days later after the WWE SPN thing is announced, although I think I understand how they're doing it.

We're still confused there.

The UFC Paramount deal is pretty clear, right?

Pretty clear.

You sign up for Paramount Plus, you get the UFC, all their numbered...

Pay-per-view events, all their UFC fight nights, all that stuff.

Now Paramount, now behind behind the Paramount Plus.

So we don't know if the Paramount Plus price is going up.

I would lock into a year now.

I would lock into a year subscription now before that goes up significantly.

Yeah, I would assume so if they're doing away with the pay-per-view model.

Also, not only does this make us look back at the WWE deal and say like, okay, that was kind of like a make-good for UFC leaving the ESPN platform is we know Dana White's political leanings, how visible Republican politicians in particular have been at his events.

The elephant in the room here is that the FCC is very involved with this merger between Paramount and Skydance.

And now you have Dana White, conservative icon, Dana White, and the UFC going to Paramount Plus in a multi-billion dollar payment.

I think he'd take 7.7 from anyone that offered it.

Yeah, but I also see him like...

And if there was like 7.9, I think he'd take that.

If it wasn't Paramount.

There's all sorts of, look, it's viewed as they gave Trump a bribe.

But like, it's Paramount.

Are you saying, like, is Paramount willing to be the highest bidder?

Let's assume.

Is Paramount willing to be the highest bidder?

Because, like, they like what that represents?

Well, this deal was.

Deals take a long amount of time.

And I imagine part of the subtext to getting this merger approved is Dana White also telling his political friends, like, I have this massive deal waiting for me.

It's pending this merger because without this merger, I don't get that.

Again, subtext, but curious to look back on the framework on how the sausage got made, how the FCC's involvement with the CBS in particular, which is well documented.

This is a nice little added layer that's curious, but the shockwaves here is that a sport that was predominantly behind a pay-per-view model ceases being a pay-per-view model and getting $7.7 billion.

Just so I'm clear on this, what you're saying, Mike, is it sounded like while Donald Trump is suing Paramount, you're saying this was in the works with Dana Dana White, and Dana might be like, hey, Donald, you might want to speed up that hook-go-head settlement because I've got this deal with Paramount in the works.

I don't know about speed up, but get what you need to get.

But hey, just so you know, it would be really important to me, your friend, over here, if this merger goes through because they have the top off.

Yeah, because it does look weird just on the outside looking in if you don't know any details.

Hey, didn't Donald Trump just sue this company?

And now Donald Trump's right-hand guy, Dana White, is now going into bed with this company?

Just weird from the outside looking in.

I mean, the Trump administration has gotten literally everything that they want.

The only thorn in their side from a Paramount perspective appears to be South Park

going at them.

And, you know,

maybe that's the concession here.

But either way, this is a massive day for the UFC.

That is a major day.

It's a great day for UFC fans.

Great, great day.

We'll see what the price point is, but I imagine we'll save money because we're paying...

you know

you say that though we'll see what the price point is like i'm guessing i have paramount i'm guessing it's probably some like 12.99 that i'm paying right now whatever it is.

I don't think it's one of the higher.

I pay for Paramount just for the soccer properties that they have.

I'm really happy about this as someone that likes the UFC and doesn't always come to the table to spend their money on the payment on the pay-per-view.

You paid $100 for the bigger UFC fights via pay-per-view.

Crazy.

So, if I have to pay, even if they raise their thing to $20 a month, if I'm a UFC guy, that's a bargain.

It's great for the sport because Dana White right now, you know, there are peaks and valleys when it comes to big-time star attractions.

Right now, I think UFC was coming off the heels of a time where they had some stars that generated pay-per-view buzz.

Now they're in that mode that they often find themselves in.

Where's our next Connor?

Where's our next

big-time superstar that we can get as a draw?

Well, you start making these more accessible and not something that someone has to pay per event for, everyone's going to be paying more attention to the sport.

And also, here's the thing.

Like, yeah, I would assume Paramount is going to raise their price.

I mean, how much?

Can't be that much more that they raise it to, but they'll probably raise it.

Paying $69.99, $79.99, whatever it is for these UFC pay-per-views, I've been out on that for a long time.

It's a crazy amount of money to spend per month, especially because comparative to WWE, you know.

WWE, they're both entertainment, obviously, but WWE is scripted.

So I know at least when I'm paying whatever I'm paying for WWE each month, they're going to set it up in a way that they believe their audience is going to be very happy after they plunk down their money.

UFC, you can put together whatever kind of card you want.

It's quite possible that the fights end up stinking.

And then you paid your $69.99, $79.99.

It's like, man, you even get the fights that don't count because the dude didn't make weight.

And they're just like, ah, we got to do this anyway because we built it up this whole time.

Yeah, this is by far, as a consumer, the lot, not just more affordable, but the lot safer way to spend your money.

Well, let me mention one thing as a UFC agnostic.

I'm not a fan of the sport.

I don't hate the sport.

but my impression, tell me if I'm right or wrong, is that

four out of five UFC numbered main cards are not particularly compelling.

One out of five,

it has a main fight that everybody wants to see, that would be a pay-per-view draw, but the other four out of five are just sort of pedestrian.

Bad, if you listen to Tony.

Well,

I think what Greg is saying, though, those other four out of five,

if you're the hardcore fan, you're very excited, but you're not getting the casual fan to watch those four right i think you're probably spot on about that this will you'll be more inclined they'll do a great job marketing these events there'll be whole new stars made because the hardest part in making stars is getting someone to pony up the 60 bucks approximately a month the undercards that's where you generate the stars and right now they're at a place where the the top bill isn't really drawing the same amount of uh of business so i as someone that tries to follow the the sport best they can, but won't justify paying the pay-per-view prices for every card, this is big for me because this is something that now can go on the second screen, a third screen.

A fight can catch my eye and casually watch it in the background.

Yes, this is great.

Quick question, though, because anything's possible.

We don't know what the plan is for the long term.

Is it possible that because you said the big names not quite hitting as hard as they used to, we're just trying to get you in again for free to where if we develop the big name, all of a sudden, hey, hey, this one in particular, $59.99 pay-per-view.

I don't know if, it's very hard to go back to that.

WWE went away from the pay-per-view model.

They went to $9.99 with their WWE network.

And then when they signed with Peacock, all the PLEs were embedded within your subscription.

And now that is at least what they're aspiring to go to with ESPN, which is it's included in

your ESPN streaming service.

Once you go in the direction of we're no longer going to make you pay per view.

That's why I'm hesitant on the miscommunication we're having with.

You are right?

Yeah, you're really struggling.

Did you get Vertigo?

I'm using somebody in my throat.

Yeah, it's been tough.

Well, I'll help him out.

Look away.

Look away.

I saw his friends first at school pictures.

He got literally choked up.

I get very choked up when thinking about how I don't have to pay for UFC anymore.

It makes my heart swell.

I don't know if

maybe there's an example where someone can remind me where someone decided to break away from the pay-per-view model.

Now give us a lot of money for it.

And then go back to it after their fan base got used to it.

That's why, like, I'm hopeful that WWE, so we're still really unclear.

Four or five days later, if you have to pay your $29.99 a month.

I think the way that I understand it is if you have ESPN per your cable provider, those are your credentials to to be able to log into the DTC app and then you get the WWE shows.

Where I'm not totally clear on, and I swear to God, this is not a bit, I don't know if this is a whole new streaming service or the one I already have.

I don't know if they're launching something new.

I'm not going to put the audience through that again.

I'm just unclear on that.

Billy, why are you so frustrated?

Because what do I do about Red Zone?

I still don't know if I have to buy Red Zone or not.

Right.

I don't want to do that thing.

We all sound super old, but it's still a little unclear to me.

The messaging, I hate it when things are announced and we don't know.

This is not the first time.

Where the hell do you watch Enter Miami?

That's on Apple.

Unless they're on Fire.

I understand that schedule.

Please explain it to me.

But I do think that this is a big-time win for consumers.

And I also understand what the aspirations are for the WWE ESPN deal.

I know that it's exactly what Zaz said, but those deals haven't been formally made with all the carriers.

I have two different carriers come football season.

I have YouTube TV and my Xfinity.

I don't know if I

see if you're redundant.

YouTube TV.

It's a luxury.

I afford myself during football season because I like the multi-screen.

You got to do football, YouTube TV.

It's just the multi-screen.

It's the best.

I like having the multi-screen.

I have like four games at once.

I just like having red zone on one of my TVs.

Cancel your Comcast.

You can go four, Red Zone, and one.

You pick your other three games.

I can't cancel my Comcast because my Comcast or credentials, there are certain things that I watch, like Tennis Channel.

I'm a big-time tennis channel guy.

On streamers, on like YouTube TV, you only get Tennis Channel 2.

I want Tennis Channel 1.

College Football Saturday is also also the YouTube four games.

It's awesome.

Yeah, no, if Tennis Channel was a standalone thing,

I'm losing a lot of money right now because the package that I have to have on my cable to have Tennis Channel is an upper tier.

And I basically only pay for that, for that, and to the HNA.

That's why I've been watching these second-rate tennis matches this whole time.

That's Tennis Channel 2 I've been watching on YouTube.

Team 2.

Wow, I had no idea.

I got to upgrade.

That's a sequel that surpassed the original, Greg.

T2.

Everybody knows that.

Everybody, they're picking plenty.

Is that Titanic?

Yeah.

Spider-Man 2 was better than Spider-Man 1-2.

So what?

Dr.

Octopus.

What is still on pay-per-view?

AEW.

AEW still adheres to a pay-per-view model.

Boxing?

Boxing?

Yeah, you have to pay extra.

Yeah.

Boxing's always going to be pay-per-view, right?

Porn.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

No, I mean.

Porn.

What are we talking about?

High-quality porn is still pay-per-view.

You see this right here?

This is called an iPad.

All right.

I can get whatever I want right here.

Stop running this thing.

Pay-per-view.

What are you talking about?

OnlyFans code.

That's the same iPad, huh?

You use your work iPad, huh?

What do you mean, work iPad?

Is that the same thing?

My iPad.

Oh, he doesn't work with that iPad.

Listen.

Listen.

Eric, don't touch that iPad.

Listen, when you open up the browser, you open up Safari.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

Don't know.

Don't do it.

You don't know what that means, man.

Private mode.

Don't open it.

That's right.

Different tab.

There's a private mode.

Now, I will tell you, this has happened before.

Could it have happened when, you know, I used to be on the Miami Heat Radio broadcast team?

Possibly when you open up the browser and you're still on the private,

that could be embarrassing.

You're revealing a lot.

You got to X out of that room.

Tommy Tig right next to you.

Yeah, Tommy Tig over here.

Up.

Look away.

Hog cranking.

You got to be careful, all right?

You always got to be careful with the cookies as well.

That's how you get caught.

You know about those cookies, Greg?

I do not.

Well, make sure you clear them.

I shouldn't be accepting all of them.

No, you should never never do that.

They're body cookies.

You never accept them.

You're in all walks of life.

I always just accept them.

I don't know.

Yeah, what's a cookie?

I mean, what's the problem with a cookie?

Well, I was going to say I'd love to see the look on your face if you got a banner that said, your phone has been hacked.

But I don't want to see the look at your face in that moment.

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Don Lebatard.

That was a long story.

Yeah.

It's the only kind he tells.

It's a short one for me.

I tried to speed it up for you guys.

You forgot about the League's Cup.

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Billy, you have

you been in on Prime movies these days?

You're finding stuff you like on Prime?

I saw the pickup.

Have you seen the pickup pickup on Prime Minister?

No, what's that?

It's a new movie on Prime.

Is that the Pete Davidson?

Yeah.

Eddie Murphy.

I just heard that Eddie Murphy had a new movie.

Heard bad things.

You know, I think I got to be honest with you.

Like, listening to you guys talk about movies and the way I watch them, we're different people.

Like, I think we do movies very

differently.

That's true.

I think we're fine on our side and you're fine on yours.

Yeah, like I watch a movie and I move on with my life.

Like, I don't remember the opening scene 20 years later.

I don't really think about it.

I'm entertained for 90 minutes and then I kind of move on to

the next thing.

Yeah, that's going to cut off for a movie runtime, 90 minutes.

90 minutes is like a good.

I loved when Netflix had the 90-minute movie section on

their options.

So there's comedy and then there's drama and then there's something that's like 90-minute movies.

Or if I'm on a plane and there's a 90-minute movie.

Well, the plane depends on the movie.

The plane depends on how long, obviously, my flight is.

I'm not going to take a long movie if it's like a 90-minute flight.

Yeah, but I just kind of watch a movie and I move on.

That's this movie, The Pickup?

Yeah, the Pickup.

It's Heights.

It's Davidson.

So you watch

it.

And you have no thoughts.

It's not that I don't have any thoughts.

It's I enjoy it.

A lot of times I'm like, I don't even remember the character.

Like, if you were to ask me the characters' names from the pickup, I don't remember.

I watched it on Friday night or Saturday night, whatever night it was, and I moved on with my life.

Good for Billy.

Yeah.

That's a healthy way to watch movies.

I don't go to the theater often.

I go, you know, once every four or five years if there's, you know, a big movie.

Four or five years.

Billy, I'm always confused as to how people memorize these movie lines.

Like, do you know how often you have to watch these movies to memorize these lines over and over and a couple and no I don't even remember Goodfellas I didn't even remember yeah you did it for Goodfellas a minute ago I don't remember 20 times there you go I don't remember happening anything that happened in the social network just yeah Mark Zuckerberg kind of like I don't know it's like different social networks the line is drop the the

it's different than sports when something great happens

and you just watch highlight after highlight or the people tell you the next year hey look what happened last year on this day that's how it gets burned in your memory but these movie like I just watch I'm with Billy billy most of the time 99 of the time watch a movie one time move on with my life someone asked me i said like i'm watching the pickup and they say what'd you think and i go well i mean we get different things out of movies you like art and i like fast and furious so i enjoyed the pickup you probably would not

who is this person that likes the art the art coogler he's out there oh yeah i was talking to him about it because he's friends you know

friends with someone you would think the whole thing that you project about being chill with movies would come with far less judgment what do you mean i'm not judging

i love movies.

I don't judge anybody that takes your approach, but you're like, wow, you like art.

I like Fast and Furious, too.

I love the big, dumb movies.

You shouldn't feel attacked.

This isn't like a personal thing again.

I'm just saying.

I just watch a movie and I kind of do kind of feel attacked because your general vibe is not as chill as you project.

Okay.

I don't like Pete Davidson.

I don't either, man.

He was pretty good.

Well, okay, we don't like him.

Yeah, bug eyes.

The old bug eyes.

I like Petey.

That's what you call him, yeah.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

I don't get it.

That was my worst Halloween costume ever.

You were Pete Davidson?

Yeah, let's not talk about it.

Really?

On a record?

Yeah, you brought it up.

What do you mean let's not talk about it?

I need a photo of that.

The blonde look, like the Taco Bell commercials, it just wasn't good.

I just realized he's not that popular.

I forgot he was a Taco Bell pitch man.

You know who I like?

The dog.

Bring that.

The Chihuahua?

Yeah, bring that the Chihuahua.

Yeah, quieto Taco Bell.

So, anyway.

Billy likes Prime movies.

Very good.

Is there another movie on Prime that you've seen recently that we should check out?

Not lately.

Prime's not one of my go-to apps

for movies.

I'm watching shows on Prime Minister.

So I like hearing if there's a good movie on Prime.

I feel like,

I want to know that I'm paying for something.

It's just the app that's there.

I don't use it very often.

I'd like to go to it.

That one's fine, though, because it comes included with actual Amazon Prime, right?

So it's like, yeah, if there's something there, it's just a bonus for me.

Weren't two of Metalark's biggest documentaries on Amazon Prime?

Yeah, is it?

I don't know.

I love Prime.

Taurasi.

Yeah.

Now.

Oh, that just killed us.

That's on Prime.

Yeah.

All right.

That's something to watch then.

All right.

Good rivals on Prime, and Taurasi is on Prime.

The comeback is on Netflix.

That won an Emmy, folks.

Yeah, this Pete Davidson ain't good.

Oh, wow.

You did get the haggard look.

Confirming.

You did get the just rolled out after a while.

We have it on the screen.

It's the, oh, we've been doing TV from home for a couple of years now.

Look, like, that's zero assistance

with the haircut, the makeup, or anything.

How cold was that crunch wrap?

Oh, it was delicious.

Is that the Supreme?

Of course.

Yeah.

What's the difference?

Is there any other kind?

Well, that's my question.

Is there?

I've never seen it without the.

Is it always just the Supreme?

Can you just be like, I don't want the Supreme one this time?

I'm just not the regular Christmas.

You do it to order.

You can always go no.

So if I could put a bow on this UFC Paramount WWE ESPN conversation,

Chris, you've seen some of this WWE Unreal that's on Netflix, right?

I have, and I love it because I love the behind the scenes of this type of thing.

I haven't seen any of it, believe it or not.

I am way more into Unreal than i am actually watching wrestling i haven't really tuned in outside of big wrestle mania pay-per-views i'm a as casual wrestling fan i appreciate it but i love this unreal because you know this unreal it's it's a very controversial topic right now it's behind the scenes and it's a lot of triple h and he's just like you're getting to see where he tells who's the guy uh the guy that won the the rumble jay usa yeah like you see the moment he tells him he's gonna win it like it's really cool behind the scenes stuff but you're seeing how the sausage is made it's something that i love because i don't really care about wrestling that much I wonder, are they ruining?

And I know that it's known even with this.

This is why it's controversial.

Yeah.

Don't care about the shout out the window.

But I'm talking about like kids, like an 11-year-old, a 10-year-old, are they watching this?

Or are these two different audiences, the people that tune in for the actual wrestling and the people that watch Unreal?

Because I'm loving it, but I am worried that there are some people out there that it's ruining it a little bit for.

I think I pinpointed why I have zero interest.

in this.

And I've seen some of the clips and I'm like, I think some of like the guys talking post-match, I think that that's genuine access.

But Triple H is overseeing their creative and

you can tell he's very sensitive to criticism and things leaking out.

I think Unreal is not actually what it's being positioned as.

It's like hard knocks where they're not really showing us.

They're showing you exactly what they want you to see.

And it is just yet another card that he can play when it comes to playing his audience.

Like they're doing something right now with this character Karrion Cross where he's out of contract.

He's in the alumni section.

You can't stream his music anymore.

He's coming back.

They're working folks.

And

it's a move that he goes to way too much because you're supposed to...

have people genuinely get people over.

And I think they try to manufacture people into thinking a certain thing.

And I think that this is all manufactured access.

That is just another part of their storyline that I just, I watch the week-to-week stuff.

That's where you can work me a little bit.

that's how I feel because it may surprise you I have not watched this WWE Unreal yet which I think is probably getting really good numbers it's in conversation a lot it's very controversial for all the reasons that you just laid out I haven't watched any of it yet because I kind of don't and I love wrestling everybody knows that I kind of don't want to know how the sausage is made.

Like, I'm good with suspending my disbelief on a week-to-week basis.

And I, like, you know, Game of Thrones.

Do I want to be in the writer's room in Game of Thrones while they're there, you know, definitely not the final season, but do I want to be in the writer's room hearing how they come up with everything?

Not really.

That's the cool one to watch the show.

It's so like, I'm like, this is how simple it is.

It's literally Triple H kicking his legs back, being like, you guys think that CM should win this?

Who you guys think should win?

And it's just like five people being like, I think Uso should win.

And it's like, oh, let me think about it.

It's just five people just like, but to your point, maybe that decision was already made.

Isn't this basically a means bring back DVD commentary?

Yeah.

it's just like hey if you want to know the inside details of how that scene was made or this was made hey you have this option by the way great name Unreal fantastic I do like that you get to see the workflow that goes into some of the decision making and I do think that that is real like people are pitching guys and I like seeing the original cards that they were working with the fact that Bad Bunny was originally on the on the card and you like to see the original plans and where they go and I do think that they provide insight but I do think for some of the larger storylines that they have going this is just another device for them to set their audience up into thinking something is real and true access when really they're just working folks because the storyline's still going it's active and so oh we're giving you this and you're like I don't want to know because maybe I'll know what's going to happen next or maybe I'll sort of predict where no they're further away there's a distance it's like how formula one is like a season afterwards This is the stuff that's going.

I think WrestleMania is a buildup of it.

Yeah, it's like five or six months ago, I think.

So it happened before, but I just think that this is stuff, and they could always kind of reverse engineer what they're going for and make things seem more successful than they actually did.

Like, I think John Cena had the most failed heel turn of all time when you consider how it came out of the gates, right?

It was a topic of conversation on ESPN well before the deal thing there.

It was an abject failure.

And I think that they're going to try to spin it into Triple H thinking more meta than it actually was.

I'm just not there for it.

I watch the week-to-week content and you can try to get me there.

That's where I am.

I just think it's just another tool in their toolbox where they can work, folks, and I'm not that into it.

I just didn't realize how produced these matches are.

Yeah, man.

I thought it was like, here's how the match will end.

Here's your finish.

I think it used to be like that when you were a kid.

It's like the hearing of, these are the seven moves that we have left.

We're going to have to skip these two.

And they're telling the ref.

And the ref is, while you think the ref is checking on a wrestler, she's really like, oh, you're going to skip.

It's just, I'm impressed by it.

That's why, for me, I love it.

But that's not self-serving, though.

For

that's what I'm asking.

I don't know, because for me, I love it.

But if some 12-year-old sees this, he's going to be like, what?

Yeah, I mean, fans of wrestling who want to just get lost in the entertainment value, I don't think they want all that behind-the-scenes.

It could be two audiences, though, to their point.

I think it's two audiences.

I don't know how many 12-year-olds are watching any behind-the-scenes, anything about the future.

Gazzo's kid, maybe, if he watched it.

I don't know.

Well, the criticism of the whole thing has been that it's just a vanity project for Triple H to make him look like the mastermind of everything and make him like the Dana White of the WWE.

So it's just a date.

It's just to make Triple H look good project.

Got it.

I mean, it is that.

He is running the show.

Yeah, but the thing is, he actually isn't because one of the underreported stories is the very legitimate power struggle that he finds himself in with The Rock, who is got a ton of influence

over at TKO.

And I'm not...

Triple H, I think, should chill out a little bit.

I think we're kind of overdoing this.

You're overcooking the turkey.

Can I ask you if something I saw this weekend was current or not?

Because I thought it was funny.

Go on.

It was John Cena on a podium behind a microphone.

And the reporter asked him, it's good to see you here.

And he's like, come on.

That particular phrasing.

You see, Cena, not a fan of how Triple H handled that whole Brock Lesnar thing.

WWE made the convenient decision to have their post-pay-per-view press conferences no longer open to the media.

Which it's the right move.

Yeah, I mean, those were also a work anyways, kind of too.

But to make that decision when you don't have to answer questions about Brock Lesnar, and the way that Triple H made it seem is John Cena, you know, gets to make this call.

Cena was very quick to say, hey, you deal them, I play them.

And they had to make a whole big thing where they're like, Nick Kahn and Triple H reached out to Brock Lesnar the very next show.

On the Brock Lesnar thing, I think.

Do you think they got rid of the press conferences so that they wouldn't have to answer questions about Brock Lesnar?

I think that's the timing.

They may have gotten rid of it regardless, but I think that that's specifically the timing on the SummerSlam thing, which, by the way, good decision, because Triple H has proven time and time again when it comes to these types of situations, he'll say the wrong thing.

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