The Big Suey: The Tushy Pushy (feat. David Samson)

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Speaker 12 I'm really torn here. Maybe Samson can give us some help.
He certainly travels in these corridors of power where you just can't get to people or ask them questions.

Speaker 12 Mickey Arrison's offering us five minutes today.

Speaker 12 Should I take it or not take it? Because these guys don't want to do interviews that have conditions on them.

Speaker 15 You 100% take it. Did he tell you that there's certain subjects off limits?

Speaker 19 No.

Speaker 15 So you got five minutes of a man's time that he doesn't give five minutes to many people. He doesn't do much media at all.
So the question is, how do you make the most of the five minutes?

Speaker 15 And I think you got to go right in. You got to lead with some of the great signings that he's done.
I think you start with, you know, probably Terry. I would do that.

Speaker 12 All right, you guys, I need some help with this because he's going to be available at some point here soon, and I've got to make a decision on five minutes.

Speaker 12 But David, as we introduce you and they they put your face on the screen, and you were grinning maniacally at a Intro to your show that is actively annoying, Zasla was over here next to me, and it felt like disgust was on his face.

Speaker 12 Zaslow, how did you feel about the intro that David Sampson just had?

Speaker 18 Here's the thing, though. I'm so disgusted with it that like it's it swings back around the pendulum and I love it.

Speaker 18 It's the most disgusting that that I like it.

Speaker 12 So his greed and his love of money and this person that he is that wears the flashy coat. I mean, look at that face.

Speaker 12 No, but and loves that Bob Ross gets ripped off by his family, and loves that the customers getting screwed in the streaming service wars where no one knows how to find football.

Speaker 15 You do know where to find football, and you used to pay for cable. Now, you just pay for different streaming services, but you get more than football.

Speaker 15 I don't want to sit here and defend, but I want you to realize that I understand your confusion where you don't know to find a game.

Speaker 15 But tonight's game, the kickoff of the NFL season, Cowboys, Eagles, it's free. It's NBC.
So I think everyone just needs to

Speaker 20 play their roles just a little bit.

Speaker 12 I'm saying your general glee that you know that this is going to get worse before it gets better, that the customer is going to get charged more and more and more to find its sports in more and more and more places.

Speaker 12 And no, don't take for granted everyone knows where to find football. There are plenty of people in America still confused on Thursday night that they got to go find Amazon in order to find the game.

Speaker 15 Well, again, I understand what you're you're talking about, your demographic, but frankly, your demographic is not interesting to the NFL, its sponsors, or its partners.

Speaker 15 You've aged out and the people who need to be in the know, they're in the know. And they know.

Speaker 12 But it's costing too much, David. And you delight in that.
It's costing the fan. You delight in these rich people screwing over the fans who didn't ask for any of this.

Speaker 12 They were already paying for football in a variety of places.

Speaker 15 Are you like, are you upset about dynamic pricing for FIFA's World Cup that's coming to Miami?

Speaker 15 Are you that guy who doesn't recognize that, hey, there's people who pay different prices when you fly on a plane or when you stay in a hotel room? This is the way it's always been.

Speaker 15 There are people who can afford to get certain things, pay certain things, and some people who can't.

Speaker 12 They can afford it.

Speaker 12 David, they could afford it before, and the customer is getting screwed here. There's no dispute on that.

Speaker 15 It's just different customers are getting access to different things who may not have had it before.

Speaker 22 And if you had access, you may not have it anymore that again is part of life okay I mean I think the dispute though is like Thursday night games used to be on NFL network which is also a subscription that you needed to have but now the NFL network has bought part of ESPN because they're gonna be doing it over there now too but that doesn't have anything to do with like the Thursday night games you're just switching from NFL network to Amazon and like if you were to go back 15 20 years you basically had three games you could watch the one o'clock game on CBS and the four o'clock game on CBS and then the one o'clock or four o'clock game on Fox.

Speaker 22 Now you can watch any game you want, essentially. You just have to pay for it.
Where before you didn't have the option to pay for it.

Speaker 23 Dan, do you even think the Eagles can repeat?

Speaker 5 Have you even cared to ask yourself that question?

Speaker 1 Do you know what the Eagles are playing tonight?

Speaker 12 I do know. It's a big game.

Speaker 17 Do you know who RB1 is for the Cowboys?

Speaker 18 You know about that tush-push?

Speaker 12 The thing about tonight's game is that it's a glamour franchise that hasn't won in a really long time against the defending champions, who were overwhelmingly the most physical team by position by position in the NFL.

Speaker 17 This is good shit, right? It's not good shit.

Speaker 12 I know you want sports here, but now I'm in the corridors of power fighting with the owners over money, and they're screwing the customers. They really are.
Like this season is starting.

Speaker 19 I don't feel screwed.

Speaker 21 I'm in an enjoyful.

Speaker 12 So you don't think it's getting too expensive for you?

Speaker 16 Tonight, Eagles Packers.

Speaker 26 It's free.

Speaker 24 It's on NBC.

Speaker 15 Cowboys.

Speaker 27 David, we were trying to trick you.

Speaker 5 I like dating in the middle.

Speaker 28 Do you have to ruin everything? Can I ask you a candid question?

Speaker 27 Do you have to ruin everything in life?

Speaker 15 It's my lot in life. Can we talk about dude wipes?

Speaker 12 No, please follow Billy here. Why'd you ruin that?

Speaker 15 Because Billy and I are having an off-camera problem.

Speaker 9 Are we?

Speaker 20 No.

Speaker 12 Why'd you ruin that?

Speaker 15 Because I felt left out.

Speaker 9 No, he didn't.

Speaker 20 I thought I was the only one to talk about football.

Speaker 22 Cleaning your butt now?

Speaker 17 Go on.

Speaker 15 I just want to talk about more ways to raise money that you can sponsor things like dude wipes. And we're going to see a tushy pushy tonight.

Speaker 15 And I want to know if we're going to see a dude wipe like on the new Jason Kelsey. Kelsey.

Speaker 29 Do you think that'll catch on? I'm dying to watch.

Speaker 18 Do you think that'll catch on tushy pushy?

Speaker 9 I got a lot of stuff. I don't like it.

Speaker 25 I don't like it.

Speaker 16 A little too close.

Speaker 12 Put it on the poll at Levittard Show. Do you like tushy pushy?

Speaker 30 It's a tough one for you.

Speaker 19 You be careful.

Speaker 31 I've seen a stovetop in your past.

Speaker 12 Tushy stovetop.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 25 It's a tough one, especially if you're going quick.

Speaker 12 Okay, so David Sampson. I never do.
David Sampson felt left out because, if you have not noticed, David Sampson's Nothing Personal podcast, which is flourishing,

Speaker 12 is about a lot of things other than football. He'll do football, but once football season starts, that's not his area of expertise.
I don't know that anyone wants to hear his opinions on football.

Speaker 12 He'll try, but he'll feel left out because it's your weakest sport, right? And nobody can be good at everything, and you are doing stuff on that podcast that nobody's doing.

Speaker 12 So football would be your weakness, correct?

Speaker 15 Well, because you gave a second hour every day. So today we had Brady Quinn as our guest to talk.
He's an expert analyst, And so he talked about college. He talked about tonight's game.

Speaker 15 So we do have guests on now twice a week and who will cover areas of expertise that I can't cover. But do I know who QB1 is of Dallas?

Speaker 15 No, but my nothing personal pick of the day, I'm taking the eight and a half points, baby, because for Jerry, tonight is his Super Bowl.

Speaker 15 He's got to win post-Micah, and he's got to stop the run with Clark because he said stop the run. His whole fricking press conference was, hey, we traded Micah Parsons.
We could stop the run.

Speaker 15 And of course, he's going against Saquon Barkley. You know, can he get 2,000 yards again? Wait to see.
So it's a big game for the Cowboys. So I took the points.

Speaker 3 So you know Kenny Clark on the defensive line, but you don't know QB1?

Speaker 15 No, RB1 on the Cowboys is what Mike asked.

Speaker 15 I do know QB1. I do know that you said

Speaker 20 QB3.

Speaker 12 Don't worry.

Speaker 12 It is okay, but nobody wants your football analysis. It's good, right, Mike? Nothing personal

Speaker 12 is a podcast that covers almost everything else well. And I'm not even saying you don't cover football well.

Speaker 12 It's just that I can tell when you're trying to fake it because you're just trying to talk football so you can feel in the club. It's the same thing Mark Cuban's doing right now, by the way.

Speaker 12 He still wants to be in the rich person's club. He's still, that's what he's doing.

Speaker 25 You think they're kicking him out?

Speaker 24 He's still in it, Dan.

Speaker 12 Or the basketball club, excuse me.

Speaker 12 No, it's a more check. No, no, no, wait a minute.
This is a big-ass distinction making there. He still wants to be in the basketball club, and he's not welcome.

Speaker 12 No, his team is run by the other side now, and they traded Luca, and he still wants in.

Speaker 12 And no, now only your opinion matters, but you're coming after Pablo, and you don't have any facts other than you want to protect your precious basketball club and Pablo.

Speaker 12 2014, Dirk Nowitzki, I don't know, Dennis Rodman staying in Mark Cuban's house.

Speaker 25 You're snitching now. No, just

Speaker 12 no, I'm just saying, look into it. Same energy with Mickey.
Find out.

Speaker 12 You better do that, Anthony Carter shit.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 34 You go down this road, damn, people are going to think you're a mouthpiece for the Miami Heat.

Speaker 12 So what are we doing? Are we doing the interview then? Yeah, because you guys told me not to. No, wait a minute.
Now you want me to do it.

Speaker 36 I'm already because I was worried that you're coming with kid gloves.

Speaker 12 So, no, in five minutes, you want me to ask him about Anthony Carter Hall of Fame week?

Speaker 9 I want it only about Anthony Carter now and

Speaker 21 considering your whole more Cuban take.

Speaker 36 Okay, so we got to protect you from you.

Speaker 12 Okay, so how do we do this? Are we taking the interview then? Are you challenging me to do a good, hard interview with Mickey Harrison in five minutes?

Speaker 17 I mean, as long as we can talk that shit.

Speaker 21 Okay.

Speaker 12 Okay, so Mickey, selling part of your team to the Saudis.

Speaker 25 Go. Yeah.

Speaker 24 That's a good start. That's that now.

Speaker 9 Now we're talking.

Speaker 34 Five minutes.

Speaker 12 Hall of Fame Week. That's what you guys want.
Who's this Kushner guy that's in the club now?

Speaker 26 Cuban's not in the club.

Speaker 34 Kushner is. Talk to me.

Speaker 22 You asked to Andrew Roussini about Trump. You gotta ask Mickey.

Speaker 17 There's no way this interview happens, though.

Speaker 12 Five minutes. No, no, I'm trying to figure out how to do it.
No, no, I want to do it, but that's one question. You've given me five minutes and one question.

Speaker 37 Disguise after the sweep.

Speaker 15 And Dan, just stop with the intros. Go right to it.
Like, don't spend four minutes saying how you're feeling, you know, how you feel being inducted. Forget it.
Go right into it. You can do it.

Speaker 15 Go back to your journalism days.

Speaker 15 Five minutes. Five minutes is plenty.

Speaker 12 Guys, Hall of Fame,

Speaker 22 if you ask them these questions, I assure you, you're not going to get five minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Kushner, Jimmy, Rosier,

Speaker 5 Saudis. Saudis, yeah.
Saudis. House of Saudi.

Speaker 24 LeBron.

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Speaker 24 Now you're talking.

Speaker 22 Well, that, I mean, if you find an in on that one, that's fine. That one's not exactly related or pressed.

Speaker 12 All right, so enough with this.

Speaker 24 That is directly talking.

Speaker 12 But this is very pressurized. Now I got to decide this in a half hour.
You guys have put me out there making like this public decision journalistically where I look like a coward either way.

Speaker 12 Like this is a no-win position for me right now because you want me to ask a guy who's given five minutes to

Speaker 12 three people who are in it. Do you think that's what Rachel Nichols is going to be asking him about?

Speaker 25 Rachel Nichols is the other one?

Speaker 12 That's the only other one I know.

Speaker 12 There are two people who are allowed five minutes with him, and what I've been offered, we've been offered is another five minutes. It's some great gift from the sky.

Speaker 35 Okay, but hold on one second.

Speaker 12 And it's on the phone. It's not even like we can't get a Zoom.

Speaker 21 How do we know it's him?

Speaker 12 We can't get video. There's no video allowed.

Speaker 4 It could be a voice modulation thing of Mickey's voice. I don't even know.

Speaker 22 RFK was here a couple minutes ago.

Speaker 12 Okay, now you're out. Oh, look, now I can be.
Look, I'm not a coward. I didn't avoid asking him any of those questions.
It's just a time thing. That's not fair.

Speaker 3 I'm not out.

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Speaker 15 I think you need to ask Mickey about salary cap circumvention. Ask whether he's ever participated in that.

Speaker 12 Guys, I got five minutes. It's five minutes.

Speaker 18 What happens if you go over five minutes? You're going to hang up?

Speaker 13 Hey, clock just ticking.

Speaker 19 Bad look for the Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's not going to hang up on you.

Speaker 12 This is an impossible spot. So you want the same energy for Mickey Errison.

Speaker 22 What do you want to ask him about?

Speaker 12 Look man, I I just asked Saslo. He's a two-time champion broadcaster.
Look, and Samson will appreciate this as well. Mickey Eriston's the best owner we've ever had down here.

Speaker 12 He's going into the Hall of Fame, and he's so shy that he doesn't really want to like make a big deal out of all of it because all he's wanted to do is win the championships.

Speaker 12 This is a great honor, but it's not what this dude is about. Like he doesn't want to...
You think he wants to be making a speech in front of people? You think he wants to be making a speech? I don't.

Speaker 23 I think he wants to be making a Hall of Fame speech in front of people.

Speaker 12 I don't. Yeah.

Speaker 23 Why is he there then? Yeah,

Speaker 34 he didn't say no thanks.

Speaker 12 Okay, I can ask that question.

Speaker 18 I'm gonna ask him if he's seen Superman.

Speaker 44 Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 25 Good question.

Speaker 12 All right, so I have five minutes with him, and so we got to make use of the five minutes if I accept them because you guys want me to ask him about the salary cap and circumvention and the Saudis.

Speaker 44 I mean, that's not, that's not five minutes.

Speaker 23 Ask him if he's okay because he's very clearly being dragged to this Hall of Fame ceremony against his will, being forced to talk to people.

Speaker 5 It's a tough weekend for you. Everyone's honoring you.
You know, billionaires,

Speaker 21 they just get told they have to talk to people and they just do it.

Speaker 15 I bet he has to. The way this ends is with Dan not getting one question in in five minutes.
Not one. Because he'll hamming on, talk about how difficult it is to deal with five minutes.

Speaker 20 And then it'll pass.

Speaker 12 No, I accept your challenge, and I will do the five minutes. I will absolutely do the five minutes.
But what I'm telling you in the audience is it can't be any good that way.

Speaker 12 Like, if a person doesn't want to be interviewed and is only going to be interviewed for five minutes, and I'm throwing salary cap circumvention and Saudis at him in those five minutes, like he has no way.

Speaker 12 He has no, way. Somebody who's hidden for 30 years in front of us.

Speaker 22 What's he hiding from?

Speaker 21 And Kushner.

Speaker 4 I think that's the first question.

Speaker 2 Hey, you never do these interviews. What are you hiding from?

Speaker 22 And then you throw in the Saudis.

Speaker 9 Boom.

Speaker 23 You played yourself, Dan.

Speaker 40 Everybody else in the media is asking if the Eagles can repeat.

Speaker 12 Football is back, Jack.

Speaker 34 You could have said, no, I'm not taking Mickey because today is a national holiday.

Speaker 5 Mickey, Super Bowl prediction.

Speaker 12 So here's what we've got going on around Pablo Torrey, and I wanted to ask David Sampson about this because Chris Mannix has talked to a series of NBA executives.

Speaker 12 This story is going to continue to grow.

Speaker 12 I know football is going to continue to overwhelm all in its path, but one Eastern conference executive says, quote, this is a huge deal.

Speaker 12 A Western Conference general manager says bad for them, very bad. The NBA will be pissed about this.
If it's true, the punishment will be worse than what happened in Minnesota with Joe Smith.

Speaker 12 NBA officials are furious about these allegations, according to a source with the league office telling SI, if this is what it looks like, I think Adam has to make an example of them.

Speaker 12 I I don't think this is going to be a small deal, but Mark Cuban, as is his want, in protection of these people that he cares about, the owners, and a sport he cares about, because I imagine Mark Cuban right now is sort of frustrated.

Speaker 12 All the money in the world, I understand. But he loved that thing in a way he didn't love anything else.

Speaker 12 It was his identity, and he could be Shark Tank and everything else, but they trade Luca, and he doesn't have any control over that.

Speaker 12 Like, whatever his dreams were to own the toy that was the Dallas Mavericks, he exceeded them, but now he's old and basketball hasn't left him behind.

Speaker 12 But the Dallas Mavericks and his identity make it so that he's the first one out on behalf of the owners to question seven months of investigation by Pablo Torrey and begins with, if you'd taken the time, these rich people are burying media because they've got all the money in the world and Pablo took seven months of time to establish what Mark Cuban says he couldn't establish that Ballmer didn't know.

Speaker 12 David Sampson, you're an expert in this field. How could Ballmer possibly not know that $28 million was going to circumvent the cap so that they could get Kawhi Lennon?

Speaker 15 Allegedly. So a couple of things.

Speaker 15 When we were sitting in that room with Pablo, Amin Elhassen, and myself, when we did the show, Pablo didn't tell us what the show was, didn't tell us what was going on.

Speaker 15 There were documents, and all of a sudden, live, we are looking at these documents, and it's all there. And Mark Cuban may or may not have watched the episode.

Speaker 15 Certainly judging by his tweet, he had not. He had only watched the four-minute clip on Twitter along with the other 25 million people.

Speaker 15 But Steve Ballmer gave money, invested money in this company aspiration. It's right there.
It is a publicly filed document right there.

Speaker 15 And then the company did a deal with Kawhi Leonard for $28 million.

Speaker 15 Can you imagine Kawhi Leonard getting 28 million to endorse anything, anything, but a company that already was giving money to Leonardo DiCaprio and Drake and Orlando Bloom and Cindy Crawford and Kaya Gerber, on and on and on.

Speaker 15 Robert Downey Jr. for crying out loud did a commercial and all of them made a tiny percentage of Kawhi Leonard?

Speaker 15 Do you think that the heads of aspiration said, hey, we've got an investor in our company who owns the Clippers?

Speaker 15 Should we ask him whether Kawhi Leonard would be a good pitch person to plant a freaking tree? Ah, nah, let's not bother asking him. Give me a break.
Of course, Steve Ballmer knew.

Speaker 15 It's absurd to think that he would not have known. We had players who did deals with sponsors of our team for like a few shekels, like the corner grocery store in Hialeah or

Speaker 15 a car dealer local. Yeah, you get 25 grand in a car, big whoop.

Speaker 24 Yeah, but you don't have a salary cap.

Speaker 12 You don't have a salary cap, though.

Speaker 15 But I'm saying that even we would know about the little stuff. If one of our players were doing a $28 million deal with a company that we had an investment in,

Speaker 15 it belies all credit.

Speaker 12 All right, so David, help me with this part, which is within your expertise, which is why you're a part of the episode with Pablo Torrey. These things have to be heavily lawyered.

Speaker 12 You have to be able to prove these things. The money will bury you, and it is dangerous to do what.
what Pablo is doing because the money does not like when this is done to them.

Speaker 12 Steve Ballmer is the sixth richest man in the world, wants to win with a Laughing Stock franchise.

Speaker 12 And according to what seems to be proof, what looks like proof, allegedly, he's got a deal that has a whole bunch of fraud in it.

Speaker 12 And while Kawhi Leonard did have a new balance deal, you can tell me what he's actually gotten in endorsement, $28 million.

Speaker 12 And to be so sloppy about it that he doesn't even send out a tweet of him planting a tree or have somebody go out and just hashtag aspiration, just a social media account, pay 10 tweets something

Speaker 15 that that suggests you're earning that money take us through David as quickly as you can with as much expertise as you can what Mark Cuban did yesterday because he he doesn't have facts if he thinks Pablo store Pablo Torrey doesn't have this story pinned down well he got as confused as you got so I just want to be clear that this story is not about Steve Ballmer committing or being accused of any fraud the fraud was committed by the people who started aspiration and one of the co-founders was pled guilty to two counts of wire fraud and bilking investors out of money.

Speaker 15 That's not what we're talking about with Steve Ballmer. The simple conversation around Steve Ballmer revolves around salary cap circumvention.

Speaker 15 Not a crime, a violation of the NBA rules, but not a crime. So make sure you're very clear about that.

Speaker 15 Number two.

Speaker 12 Thank you. I appreciate the correction.

Speaker 15 No, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

Speaker 20 No, no, no, no, I do.

Speaker 12 No, no, but David, again, this stuff is dangerous.

Speaker 12 When you bring this stuff to power, the sixth richest man in the world knows how to extinguish this unless the other owners tell Adam Silver, hey, you can't do that.

Speaker 12 But if they're all doing it, and if they send Mark Cuban out to protect that they're all doing some form of that, do you know how hard these things are to prove?

Speaker 12 Nobody's going to be able to prove anything ever on Steve Ballmer. Like, but, but it doesn't.

Speaker 15 There's an investigation, Dan. The NBA said we have to investigate this.
We have to figure out what happened because this doesn't smell right.

Speaker 15 What doesn't smell right is a $28 million deal, which we have a copy of. Pablo got a copy of the actual endorsement contract that I went through page by page on the show.

Speaker 15 And there are provisions in that contract that don't pass the smell test under any scenario,

Speaker 15 and most with Kawhi Leonard getting 28 million from that company.

Speaker 15 But what the NBA has has to figure out is, does Steve Ballmer get made an example of, or do they bury Kevin McHale the way they did when Glenn Taylor got suspended, but Kevin McHale got in the real trouble?

Speaker 15 You know, $3.5 million fine, big whoop. Joe Smith contract terminated, big whoop.
This is a far bigger deal. There's way more money at stake, and Steve Ballmer is way more powerful.

Speaker 15 In terms of Mark Cuban, he is an ancillary part of this story because he got involved on Twitter with Pablo where he was saying, Pablo, how could you not have investigated the scammers?

Speaker 15 Why are you not focusing on the fact that Balmer got scammed? Well, Mark, that was the first 30 minutes of the episode. It was all about these Democrats.

Speaker 12 And it shouldn't have been because you guys spent 15 minutes not getting to the point.

Speaker 12 Like, they spent 15 minutes before they told us what they were talking about because they were talking about that stuff.

Speaker 18 But even if it wasn't, like, who gives a shit?

Speaker 15 Why is it Pablo's responsibility to check in to see Balmer getting scammed like pablo's coming at it from a sports perspective which is the nba side of it like who cares about bomber getting scammed and that's where mark cuban got confused and he talked about the fact that if you don't you have to investigate the scammers scammers can get scammed and just like scammers can scam but that's not the point of the episode at all and pablo was very clear about the difference that you just conflated and i understand why because it's complicated but the fraud is what aspiration did to investors bomber was an investor but Balmer put money in that then went out the door.

Speaker 15 Why was money going out the door to Kawhi Leonard when other bills weren't being paid? Why was Kawhi Leonard getting 7 million a year to do nothing?

Speaker 15 Why is it a coincidence around the signing of Kawhi Leonard? There's got to be something here. NBA, go investigate.
And so they are going to investigate.

Speaker 15 What Mark Cuban said is, I'm totally irrelevant. I'm not a governor or alternate governor.

Speaker 15 I have nothing to do do with the mavericks so therefore let me go and say that i'm team balmer that's how he started i got 20 minutes of nothing personal this morning because he said i'm team balmer it's totally absurd second only to the clippers statement where they said we had no oversight over the contract with kawaii leonard and aspiration of course you didn't because you're not on the contract but that's not the issue did you have influence over it steve that's what adam silver is going to ask for perspective his deal with New Balance, Kawhi Leonards, was multi-years, 5 mil a year.

Speaker 3 So there's a chance that he was being paid more by aspiration than he was by New Balance.

Speaker 12 Think about that for a second.

Speaker 12 When you lose sight of the dollars, think about what Tony just said for a second. New Balance, which forced Kawhi to do commercials he did not want to do, paid him $5 million a year.

Speaker 12 This no-show job paid him $7 million a year. Think about that one for a second.

Speaker 15 What offended me about the Cuban tweet is that he said it's sad that Pablo Torrey didn't take the time to find out how these scammers pulled off their scam.

Speaker 15 Well, A, it's in the episode and B, Pablo took seven months of painstaking investigative journalism. And I don't want to downplay that.

Speaker 15 This was not a story when there were lawyers, Dan, while it was being recorded to make sure that everything was very clear what I was looking at and what then I would say in response to what I was looking at.

Speaker 15 And so this is a serious, serious show show that Pablo did. And Mark just saying, oh, you know, you seems like you've shot it out of the, you know, side of your pants.
I did not appreciate that.

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Speaker 15 When he says at the end there that it's going to come back to backfire on Pablo, like a threat?

Speaker 18 What does that mean?

Speaker 15 It sounds like someone trying to stay relevant who knows that he has no more seat at the table.

Speaker 15 You know, the question is, did he call, did Steve Balmer call Mark and say, man, we got to do a statement. We got a real problem.
Marky, Mark, what do I do? I'll bet you a dollar that called

Speaker 15 it.

Speaker 12 Mark Cuban is pretty relevant, David. Mark Cuban is pretty relevant.

Speaker 32 Mark Cuban, seeing an awful announcing clip, David Sampson says, I'm trying to stay relevant.

Speaker 23 I mean, all he has to do is go at the sitting president like he often does, and he remains in the national conversation.

Speaker 47 conversation.

Speaker 36 He's not outside of this basketball club the way that Dan is positioning it.

Speaker 40 He is still the person most associated with that franchise.

Speaker 36 And that'll be that way probably unless they get a player more famous than Luca.

Speaker 12 But, Mike, that's the optics of it, though, man. You are not allowing for these people who have these giant amounts of money to have blind spots about where their personality gets distorted.

Speaker 12 Mark Cuban, having power over that club, made it at one time that he was running on the court and getting more fines than anyone because he kept going after officiating and thought he lost a title in Miami because the refs cheated for Dwayne Wade.

Speaker 12 And that's no, but I'm saying Mark Cuban cares about this like he's never cared about anything. And now he no longer owns the team and was reminded when they traded Luca on him.

Speaker 12 So David can tell you with expertise what it's like to be in the club or outside the club. David's outside the club right now and it hurts.

Speaker 25 Yeah, and David had an owner that chose to be outside the club.

Speaker 34 This is a decision that Mark Cuban made and he's got enough wealth to say like, oh, I can just buy another team. Now, I know that's been tricky in previous years for Mark Cuban.

Speaker 34 Sometimes baseball didn't want him in there, but Mark Cuban has enough money that he didn't have to sell and he can get another team.

Speaker 12 Mike, do you understand? Like, you just glossed over. I know it can be tricky.
Baseball said no to Mark Cuban. How much no do you think Mark Cuban's been getting?

Speaker 24 Hey, you want my money?

Speaker 35 Right.

Speaker 23 And David Sampson and Jeffrey Laurie have sold the team way overvalued. They're different.

Speaker 21 If Mark Cuban comes back to the table, they're different clubs.

Speaker 12 Why do you think the rich guys all want to own the sports teams? They're different clubs.

Speaker 7 David has said routinely that they want the franchise values going up.

Speaker 12 Mark Cuban, I am positive, Mark Cuban hurts in a way that he didn't expect when Luca gets traded. Just hurts in a way that you'd assume he couldn't be hurt.

Speaker 12 And I'm telling you, David, who's a robot, David, you could speak to the human parts of when you get kicked out of the club.

Speaker 15 I'll tell you right now, after 18 years, my adjustment to not being in the club, it was tough.

Speaker 15 And it's only, it's been eight years, but it still comes up where I think about relevancy and I think about I'm not in the room where it happens anymore.

Speaker 15 And believe me, Mark Cuban thinks that way Adam Silver did not pick up the phone to call Mark to say what are you tweeting for Mark Cuban can't get fined by Adam Silver if he tried and that is a true fact Mike now of course he's still rich you may say he's still important but there's a different feeling when you're in that room when you're in the room which I was in where you say out loud we will not vote for Mark Cuban to buy a baseball team you feel important.

Speaker 15 Of course it's not real, but man, it feels real. And then when it's gone, it's emotionally devastating.
You feel like you've lost not just your identity, but your value to yourself, to your family, to

Speaker 15 people around on the street. I mean, God damn, when I'm recognized for being the first voted out on survivor, you think that's what I want?

Speaker 15 I wanted to be the president of a team or the owner of a team. That's identity.
And Mark Cuban doesn't have it. He prayed.
He's like, I'm still the head of basketball operations. No, you're not.

Speaker 15 You're nothing. You sold the team.
It's done.

Speaker 9 Ouch.

Speaker 22 Did you, you guys voted against Mark Cuban?

Speaker 15 Did you just

Speaker 15 come to a vote? He couldn't get 23 votes. Mike, you say that he couldn't get a baseball team.
I'll tell you exactly what happened.

Speaker 15 He wanted to buy a baseball team and was told, you will not get approved. It is not going to happen.
You do not have the votes because you are the way you are in the room and you cannot be controlled.

Speaker 15 And we don't want any part of that.

Speaker 22 How would you have voted? You guys voted no?

Speaker 15 There was no vote.

Speaker 22 Would you have voted no?

Speaker 15 I would have voted with the commissioners. Yes, I I would have voted no.

Speaker 32 So if Mark Cuban offers Major League Baseball and the Miami Marlins $3 billion for that franchise today,

Speaker 32 he's not going to be allowed?

Speaker 15 He would not get the 23 votes.

Speaker 9 Oh, my God. All right.

Speaker 15 And by the way, if anyone offered Bruce Sherman $3 billion, that team would be sold faster than Mickey Erison's interview.

Speaker 36 But that's what he just said.

Speaker 16 That's what I just said.

Speaker 15 Thank you for that. But not to Mark Cuban.

Speaker 5 Okay, I don't agree with you.

Speaker 12 Wait a minute. You're saying you can't be serious.

Speaker 23 It was a different time when Mark Cuban tried to buy the, what is it, the Chicago Cups Oh, the Pirates.

Speaker 36 It's a different time back then.

Speaker 7 Now, it's all about getting these values up because the jig is up.

Speaker 21 They're on to the Miami Marlins. We know that these things are overvalued.

Speaker 32 So if someone comes around with $3 billion for that franchise and it just so happens to be Mark Cuban, I think it's a different day and age.

Speaker 17 And you're not in the room where it happens to tell me opposite these days.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 your last point is your best one, and that the room is different now. And there's a chance that there's 23 votes that he can get these days.

Speaker 15 And there's a chance that Rob Manford would be less vocal than Bud Selig was. So all of those things are true.
But again, why would I operate in fantasy when I was in the reality?

Speaker 15 Fantasy is offering $3 billion for the Marlins. Reality is the fact that Cuban couldn't get the votes and then sent the tweet that he sent yesterday about PTFO.

Speaker 22 David, can you put to rest a rumor that's been going around this office regarding that Pablo episode that you were in?

Speaker 22 There's people saying that those papers that were on Pablo's desk were fake, that there was just copy paper that was taken directly out of the packaging and stacked in front of Pablo.

Speaker 22 There's nothing on anything, on any of those papers except the top ones that have stuff printed on them, but the rest is just reams of paper that were unboxed and placed in front of him.

Speaker 15 So I had my issues with that, but I had my own pile in front of me, and I was only allowed to look at my pile. And Pablo said that that's 3,687 pieces of paper.

Speaker 15 And I said, we're going to be here more than two and a half hours. I'm not doing that.
So I didn't look in those piles because I was too busy with my pile and my pile was as real as the day is long.

Speaker 12 David, we're going to let you go right now, but from that episode, one of the things that I saw, and I want to get video on this, the size difference between you and Pablo was bigger

Speaker 12 than the size difference between Billy and Derrick Henry. It is the greatest of the Pablo Torrey is not large in any way.
He is a,

Speaker 12 I wouldn't call him diminutive, but he's 5'10, 5'9?

Speaker 15 Uh, he was not 5'10.

Speaker 12 What is he? How tall is he?

Speaker 15 He's, I would say he's no more than four inches taller than I am. I'm gonna go with 5'9.
Yeah, he's 6'9. 69 inches.
Nice. So

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Speaker 15 I was forced into that chair. Number one, forced into the chair.
Number two, I wanted to adjust the chair before taping and was told, no, no, the camera angles require the chair to be where it is.

Speaker 15 And I said, this is outrageous, but then I forgot about it once I got my pause on what the hell the show is about.

Speaker 15 Then the show comes out and I got plenty of calls, maybe including for my representative, wondering why it is that I look like Mishu.

Speaker 12 At least no one saw it, David. Your most viewed episode ever in the history of anything you've been involved in in media, and you look like somebody who is two feet tall, that you are 43 pounds.

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