Hour 2: 99 Nuggets?!?!?!?! (feat. Stan Van Gundy)

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Speaker 14 we welcome in the one and only Stan Van Gundy he's doing analysis for Amazon now Amazon Prime Video Stan welcome to the show and let me start let me start right there actually what's been the experience like working at Amazon because I wonder for someone who's doing the game broadcast is it pretty much the same no matter what network you work at well yeah the broadcast itself is the same and I'm working with you know some people that I've worked for with before.

Speaker 20 Ian Eagle

Speaker 22 I worked with at TNT so I'm used to working with him.

Speaker 26 We've got directors, producers, cameramen that I have worked for but I really have enjoyed Amazon, the entire team.

Speaker 31 You know, I think they're very committed to making this the best project possible, both in the studio and

Speaker 37 on game broadcasts.

Speaker 40 You know, obviously they're a tech company and they want to integrate more and more of that as time goes on.

Speaker 21 So

Speaker 32 I think it's going to be fantastic.

Speaker 27 And, you know, I think it's like anything.

Speaker 20 I mean, you've worked in the NBA also

Speaker 36 and now doing what you're doing.

Speaker 42 When you work with people who are committed

Speaker 6 to

Speaker 21 putting out a good product, it's tremendously motivating.

Speaker 32 And that's what I've experienced at

Speaker 33 the NBA on Prime so far.

Speaker 14 Stan, I work with people right now who are committed to torturing Chris Cody. He had a challenge today, a punishment he had to do, where he had to eat 99 nuggets in the span of the show today.

Speaker 14 We have about less than 40 minutes to go in the show. He's at 66.
Do you have any words of wisdom that you can share with me?

Speaker 6 I'm struggling, Stan.

Speaker 21 I don't think you're struggling.

Speaker 22 I think you've got this with no problem whatsoever.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 38 I just, I think that this was a gimme.

Speaker 39 I would have,

Speaker 39 yeah, I would have been betting on you all the way.

Speaker 14 Would you go sauce or no sauce on the nuggets?

Speaker 46 Oh, no sauce.

Speaker 13 Really?

Speaker 49 Yeah, you just don't need the

Speaker 39 extra,

Speaker 22 you don't need the extra calories.

Speaker 32 I mean, you're looking for every bit of space you can get.

Speaker 14 Chris, how do you feel?

Speaker 7 I'm feeling like...

Speaker 14 Coach said he believes in you.

Speaker 7 I feel like I did it, though. 66, pick up sticks.
We're done here.

Speaker 14 Can we get you to at least get to 70? Like 70. 70 is right.

Speaker 51 Four more nuggets, man.

Speaker 22 Chris, you can get to 100. Come on, man.

Speaker 6 Stan. Wow.

Speaker 7 I appreciate the support. Way to coach him up.

Speaker 7 70 is a good.

Speaker 6 All right. I'll try for you.

Speaker 1 Coach, good to see you. Hope you're well.
What's your read on this entire John Moran situation? How do you see this thing playing out?

Speaker 39 You know, I have no idea.

Speaker 16 We've seen this so many times in so many sports, right?

Speaker 49 I mean, you get

Speaker 47 a star player who's clearly not happy about where he is.

Speaker 16 The thing that I think, Mike,

Speaker 20 more than anything is

Speaker 16 it's just really a shame because this guy was one of the true stars, still is playing in the league.

Speaker 27 But I mean, he was a guy that everybody was excited about.

Speaker 20 And over the last three years, I mean, it's just, I don't know.

Speaker 41 I mean, it's been one problem after another.

Speaker 16 And I think it's a shame. This guy was one of the bright, shining young stars of the NBA.

Speaker 2 And now

Speaker 55 it's just become a sideshow.

Speaker 7 Hey, coach, how

Speaker 7 much responsibility, if any, does Tomas Isalo have during this situation? Like, what is he supposed to do right now? He's been the coach for eight games.

Speaker 7 Clearly, he's changing the, or wants to change the way the team plays. And his star player is making a mess of this situation.
Like, what's he supposed to do?

Speaker 36 Well, look, I mean, I have no idea what happened going into this.

Speaker 22 You know, what you read says that last year, Tomas Ishilo was brought in to, you know, while Taylor Jenkins was still there to change the offense, and John Morant didn't like the change of that offense.

Speaker 22 Now, how much they talked to him,

Speaker 39 explained what they were doing, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 But you're always going to have conflicts.

Speaker 38 I mean, that's just the way it is.

Speaker 22 You're going to have conflicts, and how you handle them is in large part going to determine the success of what goes on.

Speaker 19 I don't care where you are.

Speaker 34 There's nothing that is smooth and easy.

Speaker 38 I mean, you look at the Golden State Warriors,

Speaker 27 the dynasty of this era

Speaker 61 in the NBA. And,

Speaker 28 you know,

Speaker 23 there's great cohesion between

Speaker 62 Steve Kerr and, say, Draymond Green, but there have been a lot of bumps along the way.

Speaker 22 It's always going to be there.

Speaker 21 That's just the nature of highly successful people

Speaker 42 with big egos.

Speaker 52 And I don't say that as a negative.

Speaker 50 I don't look at big egos as a negative, but you have highly successful people with big egos who think they know best working together.

Speaker 58 There's going to be conflict, and you've got to learn to get through that conflict.

Speaker 33 So hopefully, Memphis will be able to figure that out.

Speaker 37 Hopefully, John Moran and Tomas Ishilo will get on the same page, but it's just not easy.

Speaker 14 Coach, one of the things that seems like the new wave around the league is these decentralized offenses that de-emphasize pick and rolls and ISOs and try to get more motion going.

Speaker 14 Miami's having great success with it, but also you look at the Knicks, you look at Chicago,

Speaker 14 Memphis to some extent. They're all kind of experimenting in this space.
Why do do you think traditionally we haven't had a lot of those types of offenses in the NBA?

Speaker 37 Well, I think, look, I think what's happened more than anything is the pace of the game has picked up so much that the coaches are teaching more concepts,

Speaker 31 principles offensively than running set plays and things like that.

Speaker 37 And so I think that's been the biggest thing.

Speaker 44 You know, now, everybody, when they need a bucket, is still going to their stuff, their people,

Speaker 33 and trying to have more control over who's going to have the ball in their hands.

Speaker 38 But in general, we're just letting guys play.

Speaker 47 I think that

Speaker 20 the positive of that is that more people are involved offensively,

Speaker 49 which I think players enjoy.

Speaker 43 I think the downside of it is if you're a team that doesn't have a great depth of quality players, you know, you can get yourself into trouble.

Speaker 56 You probably want to be back more where you're keeping the ball in the hands of the guys who can make plays.

Speaker 53 And so I think some of these teams trying to play that style with rosters who aren't good across the board end up looking worse than maybe they should.

Speaker 7 Stan, even though it's just seven games what the Heat are doing right now, the scoring, how fast they're playing, it's a style of play we're not used to seeing them play here.

Speaker 7 Like I said, it's only seven games, but have we seen enough to think that this is sustainable and they're going to be able to have success like this?

Speaker 16 Yeah, I think so. Now it depends on how you're going to define success.

Speaker 17 This is still not a

Speaker 16 championship level roster.

Speaker 49 I think what it is, is like it is every year, in my opinion, with Eric Spolstra, is he's always going to find a way to maximize the talent he has on hand.

Speaker 49 And we've seen teams across his head coaching career play very, very different styles based on who he has had.

Speaker 36 And he's done it again.

Speaker 26 This is not a guy whose teams look the same year after year after year.

Speaker 72 He looks at his roster.

Speaker 38 He tries to figure out how to maximize it.

Speaker 41 And

Speaker 22 they have really tried to up-tempo this thing

Speaker 19 this year.

Speaker 32 And it's going to be really, really interesting to watch.

Speaker 34 I think it's sustainable because, especially at the offensive end, what they've done so far has been done with out arguably their best offensive player in Tyler Hira.

Speaker 55 So I think when he comes back, it certainly makes it.

Speaker 56 more sustainable.

Speaker 39 And I just love watching.

Speaker 16 Look, I'm biased because I worked with Eric for a long time, but I think even unbiased people, more neutral people, would tend to agree.

Speaker 40 I think it's always interesting watching Eric's teams and the way that he finds a way to maximize that talent.

Speaker 7 Is anyone off to a slow start that you're especially surprised to see?

Speaker 27 Well, I mean, there's always early in the year.

Speaker 73 Look, I think neither New York or Cleveland are

Speaker 32 off to great starts.

Speaker 54 Orlando, I thought

Speaker 27 was a team really on the rise, and I still do.

Speaker 45 I mean, we're just early but you know they took another loss last night and are at three and five

Speaker 23 in the east I think those teams Minnesota in the west

Speaker 37 you know has not been off to a good start now Anthony Edwards is hurt

Speaker 64 I guess those would probably be the biggest surprises to me, but I wouldn't say nothing that happens in the first eight games of the year is a surprise.

Speaker 59 Amin's been around it.

Speaker 37 I would be interested in his his input on it.

Speaker 53 I got asked the other night on our broadcast by I and Eagle, how far into a season before you think you have a pretty good handle on who teams are.

Speaker 15 And I think 20 games.

Speaker 27 I think you've got to be a quarter of the way into the year.

Speaker 19 And even then, that's only if your team has been reasonably healthy before you know what you have.

Speaker 64 So eight games into the year.

Speaker 24 You know, I don't think a lot is really shocking.

Speaker 27 We'll just have to see how things play out.

Speaker 14 Absolutely, Coach. I always like to remind people: eight games into the year, this is like a game and a half into the NFL season.

Speaker 14 So if you were at halftime of game two of the NFL season, oh, everything's awful, everyone will call you overreacting there. It's the same thing for us at this point.

Speaker 14 20 games is the same thing I've always gone with as far as feeling like you got a feel for a team.

Speaker 65 Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 71 It really takes time.

Speaker 24 And to be honest, I mean, I think it takes coaches that long to really know what they have.

Speaker 32 So, we were just talking about Eric Spolstra.

Speaker 33 Eric Spolstra, like he's going to go into the season with this

Speaker 24 plan and style of play, as all these coaches are.

Speaker 5 But there's always going to be tinkering.

Speaker 34 Now, he's not going to go back to walking the ball up the floor, that I would bet on.

Speaker 41 But there's always tinkering because you as a coach need time to figure out who your team is.

Speaker 67 Oklahoma City probably does not, you know, and they know who they are, but a lot of these teams, you need time to

Speaker 24 to figure out if what your plan was, if what you thought you had, will actually materialize on the court.

Speaker 19 So we will see these teams change as the season develops.

Speaker 33 And I always think that's one of the most interesting things to watch, at least from a coaching standpoint for me, is the adjustments guys make as time goes on.

Speaker 11 Coach, the Sixers are in a weird place because they have two windows that are open, right?

Speaker 11 They've got the young core that looks really good, but they also have PG and Joellen Biede who doesn't look really good. Where do you see the Sixers this year?

Speaker 32 You know, that's a great question.

Speaker 16 We just had their game last Friday, and I think it's really interesting, especially in the PG part of it.

Speaker 27 Like Joelle Embiid, like...

Speaker 2 You're going to just keep hoping his health comes around and that he can be a huge part of what you do.

Speaker 38 But the problem with the Paul George situation is number one, I don't know where Paul is as a player at this point.

Speaker 75 You know, as you get older and especially when you're coming out a lot of the injuries, you know, I don't know where he ranks as a player.

Speaker 33 What we do know is whatever minutes Paul George gets are going to take minutes from some of those really good young players because let's remember they've still got Jared McCain too.

Speaker 22 So you've got Maxie, Edgecombe, Jared McCain, Kelly Hubre's playing the best basketball of his career.

Speaker 73 I mean, where are the minutes for all of these guys?

Speaker 12 And does Paul George getting 30, 32 minutes a night help you or hurt you in both the short term and the long term?

Speaker 27 Those will be decisions that

Speaker 21 Daryl Morey and Nick Nurse are going to have to figure out as time goes on.

Speaker 35 Do you move on from a guy like Paul George, see what you can get for him?

Speaker 47 Or do you think you've got a team that can contend in the East?

Speaker 39 I said going into the year, Philly was the biggest wild card in the NBA.

Speaker 54 You know, a lottery team from last year, but with the talent they have, and Edgecombe early on has been even better than I expected.

Speaker 64 I mean, this team could be as good as any team in the East.

Speaker 45 I mean, if you just match up their roster right down the line, why would they not be able to compete with Cleveland and New York that people expect to be at the top now the probability is they don't stay healthy I mean let's face it that's just been the history of these guys but if they are they're as good as anyone in the east

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Speaker 14 Coach, offensive rebounding is on the rise all across the league, and it's led by none other than the Houston Rockets, who've been playing this massive lineup with Thompson at the point and Durant and Shingoon, and the two-big lineup with Shingoon and Adams, although they started Joshua Kogie the other night.

Speaker 14 How sustainable do you think that is? Just playing big and just beating people up on the glass?

Speaker 48 Yeah, look, I mean, first of all, they got a little bit more go-to, not a little bit, a lot more go-to offense with Durant.

Speaker 16 And so I don't have any doubt that it's sustainable.

Speaker 45 Now, do I think they're going to rebound 40% of their misses misses the entire year like they're doing now?

Speaker 38 That might not be sustainable, but they're going to be right at the top of that.

Speaker 47 I think the thing that

Speaker 32 I question whether it's sustainable is whether they can have the most efficient offense in the league, which they have right now,

Speaker 38 playing essentially without a point guard.

Speaker 33 Look, I've been really impressed with the Min Thompson and what he's done.

Speaker 26 But over the course of the year,

Speaker 32 are they going to be able to sustain that level of efficiency? I think people are going to pressure them more and more.

Speaker 42 Turnovers have already been a problem.

Speaker 16 That could continue to be one.

Speaker 22 And defensively, quite honestly, they're just not as good.

Speaker 32 Emei Odoka is doing a great job.

Speaker 19 They're playing a lot more zone even than they did last year.

Speaker 22 He did go away from the two-big lineup as a starting lineup.

Speaker 38 You know, he didn't like it the first couple of games.

Speaker 19 He put Stephen Adams back on the bench, but he plays a lot of time with Shingoon with Adams and even Shingoon with Clint Capella.

Speaker 33 So I'm really looking forward to seeing them in person.

Speaker 22 We have their game Friday night in San Antonio,

Speaker 32 which I think is a real interesting game, San Antonio being one of the early season surprises.

Speaker 49 So

Speaker 16 I think Houston's a team.

Speaker 65 Look, we can talk about all the contenders in the West.

Speaker 53 And this is, at least at the start of the year, has been what I've expected.

Speaker 45 There's a lot of really good teams in the West.

Speaker 47 It's going to be a huge battle.

Speaker 37 And there's no one right now who's shown me that they're ready to challenge Oklahoma City.

Speaker 7 Stan, how ridiculous is Wenbunyama?

Speaker 69 Wow.

Speaker 29 I mean,

Speaker 34 we've never seen anyone like Victor Wenbunyama.

Speaker 58 Not at, first of all, There's just not very many people at his size that have ever played.

Speaker 33 I mean, you know, in a league full of big people for a long time, there's very few people at his size.

Speaker 74 And then when you add in the skill,

Speaker 38 it's incredible.

Speaker 37 And I like a couple of things on what they've done with him.

Speaker 32 I think Mitch Johnson's done a very, very good job.

Speaker 16 And I think Wimbinyam has made some good adjustments.

Speaker 32 He's taken far fewer threes, fewer than half as many threes as he took last year.

Speaker 33 And look, he's not a bad three-point shooter.

Speaker 22 And so you certainly want that element in his game.

Speaker 47 But I just know if you're coaching against him, every time the 7-5 guy plays at 24 feet, 25 feet from the basket, I'm happy.

Speaker 73 Because when he's around the rim at either end of the floor, there's nothing you can do with him.

Speaker 35 And he's around the rim a lot more.

Speaker 30 And what Mitch Johnson has done is when they get to their half-court offense, and they're one one of the slowest-paced teams in the league, is they're playing him at the elbow a lot, which means he can get to the rim easily in one dribble, but he's not starting behind the line.

Speaker 67 Like, you know, most of the teams now, you see those centers starting out high behind the three-point line.

Speaker 28 He does some of that.

Speaker 22 But in large part in their half-court offense, he's down at the elbow.

Speaker 67 So he's not in the position starting out initially to just catch and shoot the three.

Speaker 53 He's thinking attack the rim.

Speaker 38 That has really helped him. And that's just the offensive end of the floor.

Speaker 26 Defensively, he's dominant.

Speaker 27 In a strange sort of way, though,

Speaker 44 their defense is going to have to get better.

Speaker 77 I think they

Speaker 36 lean on him a little too much.

Speaker 33 I'm not talking about the coaching staff. I'm talking about the players.

Speaker 41 They lean on him a little too much.

Speaker 14 And I don't think they take enough responsibility individually on the perimeter guarding the ball because they just count on him to clean everything up i think they're going to have to get better in that area did did you like uh how the sons try to approach it i think they had a guy at the nail at all times and then as soon as the help would come from uh the the post feed the guy at the nail would rotate over and then the guy on the weak side and they just kept going in a circle and it seemed to really stymie

Speaker 14 Wembinyama a little bit in terms of just not knowing where the help was coming from.

Speaker 75 Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 67 I thought actually that it was great defensive strategy by Phoenix because you have to center your strategy on Wimbinyama.

Speaker 67 And I think two things though.

Speaker 42 I think number one, with all the rotating Phoenix was going to do,

Speaker 67 I'm not sure there's that many teams right now

Speaker 64 that will play as hard consistently as Phoenix does.

Speaker 67 Jordan Knott's done a great job instilling that.

Speaker 22 You know, they've only won three games, but look, that team plays exceptionally hard.

Speaker 16 I mean, like, I think a lot of teams, if you have the same strategy with not that level of intensity and effort, you're not going to get the job done.

Speaker 45 Your rotations are going to be too late.

Speaker 64 And then the second thing is, I thought Wimbinyama made really good decisions.

Speaker 23 I don't think he forced the issue.

Speaker 22 I thought he found the right people.

Speaker 34 Let's remember right now, San Antonio is really banged up.

Speaker 33 They're out a lot of people.

Speaker 42 They lost Dylan Harper in that game for a while. They haven't had Fox.

Speaker 32 They haven't had Sohan.

Speaker 27 You know, they haven't had Kelly O'Linick.

Speaker 45 They're down a lot of people and they didn't shoot the ball well that game.

Speaker 42 I actually thought they handled it pretty well.

Speaker 64 But you got to make shots.

Speaker 53 But that's exactly how I would approach San Antonio.

Speaker 73 You got to try to take Wimbinyama out and make some of those other people beat you.

Speaker 46 It was a great job by the Suns.

Speaker 14 Quick update for everybody. Chris has disappeared.
He's been gone for a while.

Speaker 7 69 nuggets. He needs a one more

Speaker 7 to pass

Speaker 7 our sniff test.

Speaker 14 But I've been watching the cameras on the monitors and they show us all the different shots of the office and I haven't seen him anywhere. Does anybody know where Chris Cody is?

Speaker 29 Is he alive?

Speaker 42 We all know where he is.

Speaker 72 We just, you know, I don't know which bathroom he's in, but he's in one of them.

Speaker 1 Zagaki, Stan nailed it.

Speaker 1 I just got an update in the shit chat oh he's you got that shit chat in that shit chat just for a guest pass i got a little tired of the shit chat but i got added in today to see uh what this did to our boy he's presently hovering over the uh the porcelain god yeah you don't want that sniff test do we yeah i was gonna say i would think that would have been a pretty easy one to predict but do we feel that the evacuation now opens the door back up for the 99?

Speaker 42 99?

Speaker 69 Well, that's great question.

Speaker 8 That's Stan.

Speaker 1 That's the ruling on the field, right?

Speaker 53 Absolutely. It's created space.

Speaker 63 That's what you need.

Speaker 45 You need space.

Speaker 32 And he's created this.

Speaker 27 He's creating the space as we speak.

Speaker 58 Look, this may have been planned by Chris.

Speaker 32 He's a smart guy.

Speaker 26 This might have been all part of the strategy right here, you know, to fill up, get 69 of them down.

Speaker 29 All right.

Speaker 22 I don't have any more space.

Speaker 32 I got to create space.

Speaker 41 And then we're on to the next 30.

Speaker 7 Stan, we know you love baseball. Did you enjoy that World Series?

Speaker 53 Not just the World Series, the entire baseball playoffs.

Speaker 20 I can't remember a better year in my entire life.

Speaker 49 I mean, incredible extra inning games.

Speaker 67 The Dodgers brought back starting pitching.

Speaker 28 Who knew?

Speaker 67 Who knew that starters could go more than four innings in a postseason game?

Speaker 24 And we just had great baseball all along the way.

Speaker 50 I mean, the drama of the baseball playoffs was beyond anything I had ever seen.

Speaker 72 I'm sorry it's over.

Speaker 59 It's one of those you didn't want to end.

Speaker 20 And what a fitting way to end it.

Speaker 49 Game seven, 11 innings.

Speaker 45 Miguel Rojas, of all people, sending the thing to extra innings.

Speaker 35 I mean,

Speaker 28 it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 61 Like, I I loved every minute of it, and

Speaker 40 I hated any time I couldn't see one of the games on TV.

Speaker 34 He's back.

Speaker 7 Oh, there he is.

Speaker 6 He's stumbling in now.

Speaker 48 He's back, Chris.

Speaker 1 How'd it go?

Speaker 7 A little thumbs up.

Speaker 14 Thumbs up from Chris. He looks sweaty, but he looks relieved.
There's a pep in the step, dare I say. Chris, we're.

Speaker 70 Oh, look at that.

Speaker 14 So, Chris, we were talking about this. Now that you've created some cap space,

Speaker 14 how'd you know?

Speaker 7 Well, Stan assumed.

Speaker 14 Stan called it, actually.

Speaker 14 And then Mike confirmed

Speaker 14 via the chat.

Speaker 1 But as you know, this is a game of real estate acquisition.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 14 You got some cap space now, so you're going to go out from some whales? Can we get to 99?

Speaker 7 I feel a lot better about this last one than I did five minutes ago.

Speaker 69 No, no, no, no, no. You got to get to 99.

Speaker 69 Yeah,

Speaker 6 99.

Speaker 62 No, I think we're out.

Speaker 8 I think you're lying. I think people thought I was.

Speaker 1 There's 30 count of grilled nuggets out there. Yeah.
You got the grilled ones.

Speaker 75 Hey. You know what, Tony? Go get the grilled nuggets.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Chris.

Speaker 51 That's just not happening. Come on, man.

Speaker 22 No, no, Chris, listen. Listen.

Speaker 69 What, Stan?

Speaker 43 I'm with you, Chris.

Speaker 52 i'm with you taste wise the grilled ones don't match up but space wise and your ability to eat a lot of them i think grilled is the way to go now thanks stan that's coaching man you got you just got coached up i want the best coaching i need your support and i have it stan springer was safe at the plate wasn't he No, he wasn't, what a great, no, I think they had him.

Speaker 22 And listen, as we know from all these replays, you need conclusive evidence.

Speaker 48 And they had it.

Speaker 40 They didn't have it.

Speaker 16 And the call in the field, I don't think they did.

Speaker 70 Thank you.

Speaker 34 Thank you, Stan.

Speaker 14 Conclusive evidence.

Speaker 70 Thank you.

Speaker 48 No,

Speaker 7 he's saying I don't think they had conclusive evidence to overturn it.

Speaker 7 What we're saying is they'd be closer to having conclusive evidence to confirm it.

Speaker 14 There was no problem.

Speaker 7 Then any sort of evidence that would tell you

Speaker 7 it wasn't the right thing.

Speaker 14 You guys don't understand three dimensions. That's all.

Speaker 6 No, well,

Speaker 6 I'm with you.

Speaker 53 I thought he was out. A lot of people thought he was safe.

Speaker 47 And I get that.

Speaker 19 Whatever call was made on the field was going to stand.

Speaker 58 There was no way they were going to have enough conclusive evidence to overturn whichever way the call was made.

Speaker 27 What was amazing on that play to me was I thought Rojas was going to fall down.

Speaker 40 And to get up and make that play after hitting the home run, like,

Speaker 27 it's one of the things about baseball to me that makes it such a great game to watch and dramatic moments is because

Speaker 62 you have a line, like literally everybody's part of it.

Speaker 50 Everybody plays.

Speaker 61 Like it's not like basketball where I can go stand a guy in each corner and Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, whoever make all the actual plays.

Speaker 21 Baseball, I don't care.

Speaker 22 You're the biggest star in the game.

Speaker 21 You're Shohei Otani.

Speaker 32 You hit once out of every nine times.

Speaker 57 You don't have any control over where the other team hits the ball.

Speaker 16 Anybody could have to make a play.

Speaker 34 And so you get more probably unexpected, unlikely heroes than you do in any other game.

Speaker 7 Coach, you sound more excited to talk about baseball than even basketball.

Speaker 7 And I'm wondering now with the new world of baseball where so much of everything is dictated by, you know, the front office and numbers, you have the leadership skills.

Speaker 7 Do you think you could be an MLB manager? And should should we be trying to find you a spot in the big leagues?

Speaker 66 You know what?

Speaker 40 I would absolutely love that, but no, I don't know enough at all.

Speaker 41 I'm a fan, period.

Speaker 81 How about single A?

Speaker 6 Texas literally hit Jupiter.

Speaker 32 When my friend Freddie Gonzalez got the Marlins job years ago,

Speaker 20 I angled hard to be the bullpin coach.

Speaker 6 Wow.

Speaker 32 He said, but you don't know anything about pitching.

Speaker 16 And I said, no, but I can answer the the hotel.

Speaker 45 And I can ask the guy if he's ready.

Speaker 49 And he says he is, you know.

Speaker 64 And I even offered to make like the dinner reservations at night.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 45 inexplicably, Freddie decided to go with someone who actually knew baseball and knew pitching.

Speaker 22 I didn't understand it, but.

Speaker 32 That was my, I thought my best shot at breaking into the major leagues.

Speaker 14 I just love the idea of Stan answering the call.

Speaker 75 You ready?

Speaker 14 Yeah, he could go.

Speaker 6 In the baseball uniform.

Speaker 48 In the baseball uniform.

Speaker 7 Stan, I know you've imagined what your pitching change would be like when you walk out. Are you tapping the right wrist? Are you just holding up the right arm? What would be your pitching change?

Speaker 42 You know what?

Speaker 26 I hadn't thought of that, but that's a good, that's a good question.

Speaker 7 I think I'm a wrist tapper.

Speaker 48 I'm tapping the wrong wrist tap.

Speaker 55 I think the wrist tap is more dramatic.

Speaker 7 Sometimes they try to be cute with it and just throw up the right hand. Just throw up the right hand.
No, no, I'm tapping that wrist.

Speaker 27 Yeah,

Speaker 27 I think you're right on that.

Speaker 53 I hadn't thought about it, but I'd go with you on that one.

Speaker 40 There's also the finger point.

Speaker 7 There's also just the simple, like two fingers out. So you don't need the wrist tap.
You don't need the hey, I'm throwing. You just need the hey, yeah.

Speaker 70 Well, especially if you've only got one guy warming up, right? Because then

Speaker 48 you know who's coming in.

Speaker 40 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Now, Stan, if you were the bullpin coach and there's a fight, you know, when the bench is clear, the bullpin, the lead pitchers, they all run from the outfield. Would you run with them?

Speaker 6 I don't run.

Speaker 62 I might walk with them.

Speaker 42 I don't run.

Speaker 33 But I love what John Smaltz said on the broadcast. He said it was one of the most senseless things in the sport when the bullpens

Speaker 6 come in. I love it.

Speaker 26 I just take a couple steps.

Speaker 27 Every time they get there, it's over.

Speaker 7 You take a couple steps out of the bullpen. Just let them know that they have your support.
Just a couple steps out of the bullpen.

Speaker 47 Stays calm.

Speaker 27 I mean, come on. Have we ever seen...

Speaker 22 I'm sure we have at some point, but I've never seen a guy from the bullpen come in and actually get in the middle of a fight and do anything.

Speaker 12 I mean, they all come running in because it's one of those old-time unwritten baseball rules that, you know, hey, if there's something, everybody's got to come in.

Speaker 19 But, you know, in this day and age, nothing happens, and those guys just end up getting a little running in.

Speaker 14 I need your support. You get a little Jeff Teague action where it's like, I'm running out there, but I don't really want to be there.

Speaker 36 Oh, hey, we see that in the NBA all the time.

Speaker 21 I always say, there's the guys who they wait to do all their talking until their teammates are in the middle of holding them back.

Speaker 28 Then they're brave as heck, but they're always walking backwards while they're talking.

Speaker 32 They're always walking backwards.

Speaker 63 There's a few guys, I will say, like the Morris brothers,

Speaker 17 those guys are taking a step forward.

Speaker 63 I had Marcus for a while.

Speaker 40 Marcus wanted it.

Speaker 22 Like, you want to go?

Speaker 5 Let's go.

Speaker 5 um you know there were guys Quentin Richardson was never like really looking to start anything but he was not a guy backing up either Keith Askins never a guy backing up like if you want to go I'm more than willing to go but there aren't many of those guys most of them want to talk tough and they don't want any part of it nor should they to be honest it's just not worth it for what it costs your team so I'm not being negative about it I'm just saying there's a lot of posturing with guys who really don't have any intention of fighting.

Speaker 14 Here we go, Stan. Number 70.

Speaker 7 Down the hatch.

Speaker 70 Chris Cole. You got it.

Speaker 72 You got it easy, Chris.

Speaker 7 I hated about 80% of this. First 20%, we were cooking.

Speaker 40 Hated the last two hours. 80%?

Speaker 58 No.

Speaker 7 The last two hours I've hated. The first hour, the first 24, oh, wait, what popped them like

Speaker 69 Skittles?

Speaker 7 I ate them like Skittles in the first hour.

Speaker 62 Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 16 We got to go.

Speaker 52 You guys got to run a poll.

Speaker 7 You got to get the over-under on after this experience oh boy when chris will eat nuggets again in his life that's like how long will it take before he can have another nugget what's the over-under on i actually use that as making it made me feel better because last night my wife and my mom were texting me like and telling me like hey no this is not safe i don't want you doing this and i said i actually think in the next year this will be my one of my lowest overall nugget years because i'm just not going to eat them again for two years whereas if i would have done eight per week you know for you know a low cumulative score.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Low aggregate nugget year.

Speaker 69 Exactly.

Speaker 14 Here we go. Number 70.

Speaker 7 Number 70 down the hatch.

Speaker 14 Yep, there it is, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 75 Good for you. That's a C, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 14 That is a C student.

Speaker 48 Good for you. Happy to have a C.

Speaker 75 The Widowmaker would be proud.

Speaker 7 Walking out with that report card

Speaker 81 held high.

Speaker 14 Stan, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks, Stan.

Speaker 27 We appreciate you. Absolutely, guys.

Speaker 65 Always great to talk to you.

Speaker 8 Love you, Stan.

Speaker 27 Okay. Bye, guys.

Speaker 8 You get one back.

Speaker 8 Sucks when that happens.

Speaker 48 Love you. Okay, Saz has been doing that.
Sazoo, too, man.

Speaker 6 What do you mean?

Speaker 14 People say they love you, and you ain't saying, well, I love you back.

Speaker 1 You say, all right.

Speaker 69 Yeah, all right.

Speaker 81 You think you're a player?

Speaker 7 I mean, you think you think I just hand out I love you is like candy? Is there anyone in this office you do love? My love is no joke.

Speaker 6 Thanks for answering the question.

Speaker 14 The question is.

Speaker 7 I think I did answer the question.

Speaker 7 What about Dan?

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Speaker 7 Don Lebatard. For five minutes, I was watching everyone just like, nope, not letting you in, not letting you in.

Speaker 4 So when I got up there, I had to say something and I said it.

Speaker 7 Cheaters never prosper.

Speaker 7 My buddy was saying, not today.

Speaker 40 Yeah, but you're not today.

Speaker 7 I think that was what he was adding.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was so much better.

Speaker 7 I'm telling you, the response I got from this guy, what I said was amazing.

Speaker 75 I like

Speaker 7 cheaters never prosper. This guy yelled as angry as he could.

Speaker 75 I cheat.

Speaker 7 This is the Dan Lebatar show with the two gods.

Speaker 14 Let's go to the Uslas Sound Montage every week. A bunch of crap comes out of the speakers.

Speaker 70 Let's go.

Speaker 2 Hey, that's my guy right there.

Speaker 85 That's the National Football League, man. You get one shot about every seven days.

Speaker 48 That's a funny league.

Speaker 87 You don't apologize for winning in this league. It's too hard week in and week out, especially on the road.

Speaker 80 They had a great plan, and they have great players, and then they made a lot of plays today.

Speaker 83 This isn't a game where we're discouraged.

Speaker 82 Got to find a way to move the chains on third down and maintain possessions. And we got to find a way to get off the grass.
It was part of the keys to victory today.

Speaker 4 You know, it was attitude. It was aggression and violence at the end of it.

Speaker 86 We did everything we needed to do to lose that game. He called his number.

Speaker 82 We still in it. We still in it.
We still got a lot of games to go.

Speaker 85 I like the way the guys absorbed it, smiled in the face of it, and prepared and waited for the next opportunity.

Speaker 88 I blew a hamstring out.

Speaker 71 We'll put a positive spin on that.

Speaker 86 How's that for you, Gary? Don't ask me about the field goal operation.

Speaker 89 Bottom line is you have to cross your T's and dot your I's in the National Football League or you get made pay.

Speaker 80 We've had great moments, we've had bad moments.

Speaker 87 And everybody's been trying to get us to lose confidence in him. I know that for sure.
And we have never lost confidence in him.

Speaker 4 It just comes down to the fundamentals and basics of football.

Speaker 86 When you don't play well in all three phases, that falls on the head coach. That's me.

Speaker 82 Whenever I'm clapping, you know, that means I want the ball.

Speaker 89 You know, I think it was obvious in the first half that, you know, our team could play.

Speaker 87 Here's what I know is he threw some touchdowns. He didn't throw any interceptions.

Speaker 88 He was throwing up all night.

Speaker 4 He functioned so well, and he anticipated. He operated quickly.

Speaker 86 You stand there, you preach it, you talk it, and it freaking happens to us, you know, and you get hit square in the face.

Speaker 85 It's the fine line between drinking wine and squashing grapes in this business.

Speaker 82 End of the half, we take a nap.

Speaker 90 I think really the last two weeks has been a good example of a lot of our practice preparation, practice performance, equal and game reality.

Speaker 89 You know,

Speaker 88 million dollar question there. I gotta clean some stuff up.

Speaker 83 We're off a little bit here on this play. We're off a little bit there on that play.

Speaker 90 A good enjoyment for the appropriate urgency and that balance of enjoying it.

Speaker 7 Unbelievable finish.

Speaker 4 And it took all three phases.

Speaker 85 How's it tell my Louis got a pick?

Speaker 83 With the Ravens fans, it maybe got a little muffled.

Speaker 90 I like the fact that we're getting better.

Speaker 89 If you are winning football but not scoring points and turning it over and,

Speaker 89 you know, eventually

Speaker 89 it's hard to just beat teams for four quarters.

Speaker 85 This guy got on a moving train, man, and played a lot of defense for us today.

Speaker 83 Pretty heartfelt conversation in there after the game. And yeah, after that conversation, you know, I feel like guys are going to go away.
They're going to do what they need to do.

Speaker 83 But when we come back on Monday, you know, we're ready to work.

Speaker 14 French toast, please. Every time he talks, that's all I hear.

Speaker 14 Shout out to Tomlin. That's a great one, huh? There's a fine line between drinking wine and squashing grapes.
It's true.

Speaker 14 That's a boy.

Speaker 7 In this league, there's a fine difference between that.

Speaker 81 He's been around for a long time.

Speaker 1 We haven't heard that cliche yet.

Speaker 14 That's a new one.

Speaker 1 Can teach an old dog new tricks.

Speaker 14 New material, man.

Speaker 1 I'm really hopeful we get to hear that the next seven weeks.

Speaker 14 It just keeps bringing up.

Speaker 1 That's how he rolls.

Speaker 14 Sometimes you get these old cliches and everyone thinks, oh, I know what that means. And then you hear someone talk and you realize, I don't think they know what this means.

Speaker 1 You mean like the gray line earlier that Chris Cody espoused?

Speaker 7 I was talking about a gray area and a blurred line and I said a gray line. 20 milligrams.
He knew what I meant.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and yes, PEDs over here.

Speaker 7 You proud of yourself? I feel like I got a good show today.

Speaker 14 So Tucker Kraft mentioned it in the weekend observations the other day. It came out.
He tours ACL. He's out for the year.
Right? ACL, it's a bummer. It's not the end of the world, right?

Speaker 81 It's like a bummer because I like watching him play.

Speaker 1 I have a good replacement for him.

Speaker 7 It's not the end of the world, meaning like he's not going to die.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and he'll play again. I'm okay.

Speaker 1 I'm a little sad I don't get to watch him.

Speaker 7 Like, is that somebody you would say prayers up to?

Speaker 69 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 27 Recovery. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I have the option to give prayers up or not, I'll say prayers up.

Speaker 14 Here's something that you wouldn't probably say about Tucker Kraft from his teammate.

Speaker 91 You know, just on one of our captains or even just your worst enemy.

Speaker 91 I don't wish that on on any man.

Speaker 48 And,

Speaker 91 you know, Tucker is in

Speaker 91 a better place.

Speaker 91 But again, you just gotta.

Speaker 91 Next question, please.

Speaker 6 He had nothing at the end.

Speaker 61 Do you think he realized what he'd done?

Speaker 14 And that's why he said next question.

Speaker 7 Can we leave open to interpretation the fact that maybe he was told Tucker died?

Speaker 14 Sure. Juju, can you put it on the poll, please? Can you say someone's in a better place if they haven't actually died?

Speaker 1 Like, what would be the place that you would say, yeah, he's in a better place?

Speaker 7 Malibu.

Speaker 81 Billy.

Speaker 1 I actually heard from him recently, so I know he's not.

Speaker 14 Is he in a better place?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 7 Do you think anyone's ever died? And then when someone was talking about it, it said he's in a much worse place.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 81 Yeah, yesterday.

Speaker 1 Were you not watching some of the takes flying yesterday on social media, given the former vice president? What'd I say?

Speaker 75 That's my gimmick.

Speaker 6 Prayers up.

Speaker 13 Heaven gained an angel.

Speaker 69 That's the opposite. That's the opposite of that.

Speaker 40 Hell gained a demon?

Speaker 1 Is that

Speaker 11 for doing completely?

Speaker 1 He was a believer.

Speaker 14 He said he's in a better. What do you think he thought that meant?

Speaker 58 That's

Speaker 1 in football cliche mode, and he didn't have the right cliche for when someone just tore an ACL.

Speaker 7 He's got to mean that he was really upset, and now he's doing better.

Speaker 35 He's in a better place to be.

Speaker 1 The tell is like, next question.

Speaker 11 The tell actually, the tell actually is when he's about to say what he's about to say, which is a better place, he kind of like

Speaker 11 licks his lips, but it's very dry. It's like a dry thing.

Speaker 8 He's like, I got nothing here. Where am I going to go?

Speaker 7 He got caught in the air.

Speaker 1 If we were playing, you'll hear, yeah, do that again, and then just imagine someone going, How's Dan?

Speaker 48 afterwards.

Speaker 14 He's in a better place. California.
Oh, my gosh. What a show he's had.

Speaker 7 Speaking of California, Tony, who's your favorite OC?

Speaker 7 Yo, you know about the show, the OC?

Speaker 11 I love that show.

Speaker 7 Good show. Adam Brody.

Speaker 1 Love that show. Phantom Planet.
Great. You know, who's the drummer in that band?

Speaker 14 Is that the OC?

Speaker 48 Jason Schwartzman.

Speaker 81 Really? Really? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 51 That's it. California.
Here we come. That's the OC.

Speaker 13 California.

Speaker 51 California.

Speaker 14 Here we come right back where we started from. You know about Misha Barton?

Speaker 6 Fake.

Speaker 1 Misha Barton. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I was a big fan.
Except for when she puked under the table in the Sixth Sense.

Speaker 6 It scared me. That's right.
It scared me.

Speaker 14 You know, I knew about the Sixth Sense

Speaker 14 10 minutes into the movie, I was like, Bruce Willis is.

Speaker 13 I don't believe I'm going to be able to do it.

Speaker 13 Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

Speaker 48 Spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 I know you only watch poorly rated movies, but you see the Kim Kardashian Ryan Murphy show has a zero on running.

Speaker 48 I saw it getting heroin. I've seen a lot of zips.
I'm like,

Speaker 7 I might be in. She's like the head of the firm.

Speaker 51 Oh, no. That's right.

Speaker 1 Glenn Close is supporting Kim Kardashian.

Speaker 69 God damn it, man.

Speaker 7 File. That's hoarse.

Speaker 14 Chris, how do you feel?

Speaker 6 Like shit.

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